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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:19 pm

I won't even watch the preview clips they release a few days before an episode airs. I like being spoiler-free so I can have my own genuine reaction to the show without any outside opinions having any influence. :twiright:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:25 pm

Yep, that's exactly what I do as well. I like going into it completely blind so I can form my own opinion. :twiright:
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:28 pm

Hah, I'm the opposite of most of you. I enjoy surprises and can't stand spoilers. Synopses are fine (one sentence on the plot of the episode isn't going to spoil it for me), but I avoid screenshots, previews, and everything else like the plague. Once the season starts, I am probably going to be doing a weekly forums blackout from 10 AM Saturday to whenever I get to watch the new episode.

That's why I love the fact that there's a spoilers subforum and I can opt out. THANKS GRUNKLE KEFKA :amazing:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:31 pm

Me too, non spoiler forum buddy. :hishovel:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:47 pm

Yeah, the synopsis is as far as I go. And even then I've found myself forming opinions about episodes just based on the 2-sentence summaries. I thought The Last Roundup was gonna be a middle-of-the-road episode based on the synopsis, but it ended up being one of my favorites.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:03 pm

I generally figure that the writers and artists on a show would really prefer it if their audience experienced their work without any warning of surprises or twists that are to come. It seems like it's only common courtesy and respect to honor their wishes as much as possible.

To say nothing of the fact that many pieces of work really depend on surprise in order to have their full intended impact. I have a feeling that if we hadn't been spoiled as to the :horse: gag in advance, it would have ended up as one of the best moments in the entire show, just for the sake of the memory of its reveal, just as many of my fond feelings for Sisterhooves Social come from my having been caught completely off guard by its twist.

I know that if I were a cartoon writer who had just penned a completely awesome surprise from out of left field, I would be as annoyed by fans peeking at spoilers as I would be if I were trying to show a favorite movie to a friend and he kept playing with his phone or wandering off to the kitchen. I'm trying to create an atmosphere here! I'm trying to give you a thrill! Work with me here!

This isn't to say I don't look at spoilers. I do. But I try to be really cautious about it. You never know in advance which movies or shows or whatever are going to be built around some huge surprise, so you kind of have to treat everything like a potential Empire Strikes Back or Fight Club or The Game.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:10 pm

I like small teasers but they're going a bit overboard lately. They flat out spoiled the best scene in Simple ways, along with a few songs and other big highlights.

Even if they do it right I definitely don't want to hear any songs in advance, just knowing that there's gonna be a song ruins that "they're singing they're singing :awesomedash:" reaction that is just the best :-P
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:18 pm

Yeah, I try to avoid spoilers for other stuff as well. I actually managed to avoid the Planet of the Apes twist ending just so I could have a full impact. It was amazing to experience.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:21 pm

Seven Seas wrote:Hah, I'm the opposite of most of you. I enjoy surprises and can't stand spoilers. Synopses are fine (one sentence on the plot of the episode isn't going to spoil it for me), but I avoid screenshots, previews, and everything else like the plague. Once the season starts, I am probably going to be doing a weekly forums blackout from 10 AM Saturday to whenever I get to watch the new episode.

Well, that's the point of the current spoiler moratorium, in that all discussion of a new episode is confined to the episode thread until midnight PST that day. It even goes as far as people getting probation if they give themselves an avatar from the episode before that time. If you were busy all day Saturday, though, then I can understand that.
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Postby Frith (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:12 pm

Bakertoons wrote:I always spoil myself. It's kinda my thing :v:

Yeah, I usually watch all the preview clips and read all the spoilers before the episode airs. But I don't watch leaked episodes before Saturday.
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Postby InC (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:21 pm

I (mostly) stopped watching previews and reading synopses after Simple Ways, and watching episodes completely fresh is definitely more enjoyable. This will most likely not apply to the S5 premiere. :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:45 pm

Yrah, premieres are when it's most tempting for me as well. But I resist it for some reason. :-P
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:01 am

The only time I really stay out of spoilers is if an episode has been leaked. In that case, I'll only watch a leaked episode if I know that I'll be busy on that Saturday and thus be unable to watch it at its normal time.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:25 am

I go into episodes so blind, I don't even see what goes on in them. I am the truest fan :twiright:

Actually, sometimes I just watch spoilers if I'm bored so I can distract myself for three minutes :-I
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:54 am

I'll often read the synopsis of the episode first if I missed it. :-I
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:00 am

Everybody, hold your horses! I just found out there will be a pony panel at the con I'm going too! This will be the closet thing to a pony conversation I will ever get! I have to attend this panel! :starity:


Headless Horse wrote:I have a feeling that if we hadn't been spoiled as to the :horse: gag in advance, it would have ended up as one of the best moments in the entire show, just for the sake of the memory of its reveal.

I must be like the only one in the world who didn't see that spoiler. Mainly because I was in a chat room while the show is on so I run to my bedroom when the commercials hit to talk about the show so I totally missed seeing that ad. :allears:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:11 am

Oh, what convention?
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:30 am

Hm... another round of bad news today :fluttersmith:

The Journey of the Spark fan movie is no longer happening but will continue as an audio drama

I guess expecting a fan film was too much. I mean, aren't 99% of fan animations under 5 minutes?
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:22 am

I went to the Journey of the Spark panel at BronyCon last year. They showed some really cool stuff anf it seemed very ambitious (which may have been part of the problem).

I can't even imagine how difficult it would be to coordinate a project like this. So, I guess it's not too terribly surprising that it feel through. Still, it was a cool panel and a cool idea. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:11 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Oh, what convention?

Ramencon in Chicago! =D
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:34 am

Hope you have a fun time at that convention! :party:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:24 am

Thanks, me too. I'm going to buy all the pony merch and support so many fan artists. :party:
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Postby Venusy (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:48 am

During S3, I did find that the amount of episode the Hub was releasing early meant that my enjoyment did get diminished a bit when watching the episode itself. So now I read the spoiler threads up to the point where the Hub releases a big clip of the episode, and then usually stop. (Sometimes I still read a bit more, but without watching the clip).
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:17 am

Well, for me, talking about the episode synopsis is fine as it can go in many different directions that the synopsis doesn't give.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:23 am

Venusy wrote:During S3, I did find that the amount of episode the Hub was releasing early meant that my enjoyment did get diminished a bit when watching the episode itself. So now I read the spoiler threads up to the point where the Hub releases a big clip of the episode, and then usually stop. (Sometimes I still read a bit more, but without watching the clip).

I think Hasbro and the Hub really stepped back with that in S4. For some reason, pretty much all of S3 got marketed really hard, possibly meant to be a leadup to MMC (see also the big press release where they completely blew out the news of what would happen to Twilight). When S4 came I got the feeling that Hasbro and the Hub were more content to just let the show sell itself.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:43 am

Yeah, they went a little bit overboard with all the spoilering in S3 so I'm glad they've dialed it back some more now.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:37 pm

I guess they just wanted to do a lot more promoting with S3, what with MMC and such.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:44 pm

It was a huge event, so I'd see why they wanted to promote it.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:39 am

If Princess Twilight wasn't promoted enough, perhaps they'd be worried it wouldn't sell as much.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:22 am

Exactly. Hasbro KNEW it was going to be a huge event and moneymaker so they decided to market it into the ground.
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Postby iSO (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:53 am

Reading passively through threads in the forum, I came into this (info reduced to what I'm talking about):
AppleCobbler44 wrote:In fact, MLP might be the only TV-Y show on CN unless they change its ratings for whatever reason to TV-Y7 like most shows.
This seemed to tickle my mind because since the show dropped the E/I in Season 2, while sticking around with TV-Y; it seems intent of using creative thinking to not make it to TV-Y7 (no direct hitting for example). Wouldn't be better if it is rated TV-G? Is there any reason to just keep it as TV-Y? (The change if performed will also apply to regions with ratings of varying degrees). I'm just curious because I don't exactly remember if this was mentioned in the forums.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:54 am

iSO wrote:Wouldn't be better if it is rated TV-G?


I'm no expert on the TV Parental Guidelines system (definitely read the full descriptions) and here's a TV Trope page about it kinda but here's some definitions firstly.

TV-Y
This program is designed to be appropriate for all children


TV-Y7
This program is designed for children age 7 and above.


TV-G
Most parents would find this program suitable for all ages.


Granted, TV-G is rather vague and apparently they're one of the rarest ratings (it's hard even searching for examples online) but from my experience, I know that the Mickey Mouse Shorts and Wander Over Yonder (1 episode only had TV-G, the rest are TV-Y7) are rated TV-G. The Mickey Mouse Shorts because there are some rather violent, morbid, scary, and perhaps a bit more adult-centric themes and in Wander, there was 'The Pet' episode which was a Halloween episode that parodied the Alien saga thus it included several horror scenes, it had tons and tons of skeletal remains of the killed off crew, and the song had this lyric:

Yeah, he's my best bud
All covered in blood
Da-do-da-do-do
All covered in blood


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Anywho, I think the basic simple layman's take on TV-G compared to TV-Y or TV-Y7 is just that TV-G has some more less-innocent-child-friendly elements. There's no reason to give MLP a G-rating though I could see a distant possibility where they rated one particular episode a Y7 because it might be less innocent than most episodes.

Is there any reason to just keep it as TV-Y?


It's hard to tell since there's not much to read about this, at least online. I would suppose Hasbro would like to keep the ratings as such as they're targeting little girls (ergo the thinking that they must be protected more against harmful influence) and I personally think that TV-Y7 has sort of a baggage attached, that being TV-Y7 shows tend to be more boy-oriented involving action, toilet humor, or etc. Also not to mention that they probably think MLP toys are geared mostly towards girls at that very young age and anything above 7 years of age might start being into more so-called 'older' toys or what have you.

That said though, I think FiM occupies a strange space between TV-Y and Y7. It's not horribly written at a pre-schooler or pandering level like most TV-Y shows but at the same time it doesn't have the boy-centric stigma Y7 shows have. And honestly, I think the latter could perhaps open up more stories and themes to tackle (like AJ's parents) all without resorting to toilet humor and whatnot. But I guess, like I said, Hasbro wanting to keep their show clean with a TV-Y rating even though there were some possibly scarier, more action packed, and darker scenes you wouldn't see in a TV-Y show and rather more in a Y7 seems to be their reason.

Speaking of which, it might be cool if we the FiM crew/Hasbro were flexible with the ratings of their episodes. Like Wander Over Yonder's 'The Pet' episode, maybe there could be a scarier Halloween episode for example that'd be rated Y7 just for that occasion (maybe two parters too)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:54 am

That's what I always thought too, that TV-Y7 would be seen as being "for" boys and thus FiM could never go above TV-Y. Like, think back to Twilight's Kingdom. Remember that story about how Twilight couldn't be shown punching Tirek in the face, despite everything else that had happened in that episode? I feel like Hasbro was afraid of that episode possibly warranting a TV-Y7 rating.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:58 am

Eh, we don't really have TV ratings over here so I don't think anything would change in terms of stuff here. Might get a different timeslot but other than that. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:53 pm

Just got my Amy Mebberson print back from the framers, now my office is even more ponyriffic:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:02 pm

Well, that is a office I would be proud to have. :allears:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:26 pm

Awesome Office! :awesomedash:

In some other news. Babs will be showing up again in the comics in early 2015.! :) & no more plans for EQG or Trixie stories ATM :(. but this just applies to the first half of the year, a EQG or Trixie story could pop up in the latter half as it is not yet set in stone like the Spring schedule. *knock on wood*

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:31 pm

Yay to more Trixie! She cuts a good figure on the newly released EqD soundtrack, and I, for one, would love a huge poster of this Roy Lichtenstein-esque frame:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:41 pm

Has anyone heard anything? Apparently a few major pony artists on Deviantart have gotten their accounts suspended due to false copyright claims or something. :ohrarity:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:09 pm

False DMCA claims aren't anything terribly new, unfortunately. Who all got hit this time?
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