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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 3:27 pm

Headless Horse wrote:It was good for reasons other than the moral. :eep:

Sure, but it's certainly not close to "one of the best in the series."
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 3:31 pm

What defines Best/Wost in the series though!? :pinkieshrug: I mean it's all subjective/realative to the individual viewing the episode.

I would agree though. I wouldn't call Equestria Games one of the best myself, but wouldn't stop anyone who does from doing so.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 3:41 pm

I understand that, but really, there are several episodes without the weaknesses it has. :pinkieshrug:

Meanwhile... honestly, I felt a bit burned out by the time we got to Sweetie Bell Toils. A full 26 episode season with only one week off! I'll definitely not feel anything for awhile, but I'll probably want the show back around SDCC time or so.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 3:58 pm

I've heard a few different people mention that feeling of burnout, but I never got it. In fact, for much of this season I found myself majorly looking forward to each week's new episode. I definitely don't remember feeling burnt out on S3, but obviously things were much different back then (13-episode season, a few breaks in airing, it was the first season I watched live).
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 3:58 pm

Tears wrote:Someone asked the Hasbro VP who's pretty active about the show (@mktoon) about show runtimes, and apparently with the addition of S5, MLP:FiM will be Hasbro's longest-running show of all time, longer than eighties Transformers and GI Joe.

Yeah. With season 5, FiM will have 117 episodes. The 1980s "Transformers" and "G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero" shows had 98 and 95 episodes respectively.

Wow, so Pony will the first Hasbro show to surpass 100 episodes. That's amazing. :starity:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 4:12 pm

:-I Now we know!

:thatsright: And knowing is half the battle!

With that in mind, having mini PSAs during the show next year like G.I. Joe used to do would be kind of cool. I get that they wouldn't get into smoking and things like that, but they could do safety, don't tease animals, etc. :glare:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 4:16 pm

Never got burnt out on pony myself. But I can deff relate, I once got so burnt out on Anime I couldn't watch it for months! And before that I got so burnt out on Video games I couldn't plata for almost a year believe it or not. Burnout sucks!

I've thankfully never gotten burnt out on Comics & ponies for the most part though. The fanbases for em yea, but not so much the actual content yet. Although there are titles I loose interest in over time.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 4:18 pm

If they keep renewing the show with 26 episodes, it will be season 9 when the show reaches 200th episode.

I wonder how many alicorns we will have by then :-I
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 4:21 pm

If Pony beats the Flintstones, they should have an episode where they all get transported back to prehoofstoric days.

:-/ Why?

:bluh: Why? Ah heard tell the apples were big as boulders in those days!

:maud: Then I'm going to have to insist on coming along.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 4:23 pm

The original Flintstones lasted six seasons with 166 episodes. And there was a theatrical movie (The Man Called Flintstone) that was made as the show's swan song. And that's not counting the later spin-offs and revivals.

...wow. The Flintstones actually had "six seasons and a movie" :starity:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:04 pm

Well, I certainly don't want MLP to last as long as The Simpsons..., it'd be very hard to keep their current level of quality up that high.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:15 pm

Even if that whole "five more years" thing were true, compared to The Simpsons things would be great. The Simpsons was far from dying by season 9 (it was only just starting to smell a bit at that point), so I'd be happy if FiM ended there.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:16 pm

:flail: *writing lines on the chalkboard* THERE IS NO CUTIE MARK FOR THROWING WADS OF PAPER
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:17 pm

Yeah, I think the show should probably last until about Season 10. There's no way of predicting these things, of course, but I think that would be a good ending point.

What year would that be anyway?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:18 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah, I think the show should probably last until about Season 10. There's no way of predicting these things, of course, but I think that would be a good ending point.

What year would that be anyway?

Season 10, assuming no breaks at all, would end in 2021.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:20 pm

That means it will also be 10 years old, right?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:23 pm

Yes, that's what I meant by "no breaks." Some shows have more erratic production and airing schedules. If there were a year in there where FiM had no new season then the fandom would devour itself the show would be one year older with no new season to show for it.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:25 pm

Ah, right...I can't imagine what would happen if the show was to last that long....

Well, we'd have a lot more people at the Eurohorsie meetups at least. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:29 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Yes, that's what I meant by "no breaks." Some shows have more erratic production and airing schedules. If there were a year in there where FiM had no new season then the fandom would devour itself the show would be one year older with no new season to show for it.


I don't know. The comics sure make the ponyless seasons pretty easy to get through.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:31 pm

And if they keep renewing the show with 26 episodes, it will be season 20 when the show gets its 500th episode :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:33 pm

20th season? I think the CMC would be in university by the time that rolls around... :v:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:34 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:20th season? I think the CMC would be in university by the time that rolls around... :v:


CMC: The College years.

MAKE IT SO!! :gotcha:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:35 pm

I'm noticing that it's not uncommon for cartoons to get 100 episodes lately. "Adventure Time" is currently at 160, "Regular Show" has 141, and "Phineas and Ferb" has 120 (or 207, if you count individual segments as its own episode).

And, soon, Pony will join that club.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:37 pm

Cool...I'm glad that animation is finally breaking past that 65 episode mandate thingy.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:05 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Cool...I'm glad that animation is finally breaking past that 65 episode mandate thingy.


Not sure if that's always good or not.

I like to think that 65 episodes gives the writers hopefully a clear plan on how to end the series than end on a cliffhanger ending (Foster's ended almost perfectly for me). But there are 65 episode series that do end on a perhaps unsatisfying note (i.e. Samurai Jack).

And the same could be said for shows that go past 65 episodes. Some are good and some outstay their welcome.

As always... it depends :pinkieshrug:

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That reminds me... :smirk:



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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:06 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:06 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Cool...I'm glad that animation is finally breaking past that 65 episode mandate thingy.

Notable shows are. How many episodes did Pound Puppies get? Or Dan Vs.? LPS is just about to begin its third season, though I'm not sure if it's only going to be 13 episodes or 26.

DA has barely been working for me all weekend. Has anyone else been having trouble with it?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:14 pm

Wait...Wasn't LPS cancelled not too long ago?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:17 pm

LPS's second season just ended. Interestingly, its third season is about to begin on May 31.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:17 pm

DA has barely been working for me all weekend. Has anyone else been having trouble with it?


It's been running slow for me too. :-/
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:18 pm

Part of me is wondering if LPS is getting dumped, and will end after 65. Very odd to have just a two month break between seasons.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:23 pm

Maybe it is. Is it that popular in the USA? Disney Channel only aired about 20 episodes here and now, it's off the air while MLP still dominates its same timeslot.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:27 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Part of me is wondering if LPS is getting dumped, and will end after 65. Very odd to have just a two month break between seasons.


Maybe. LPS is doing well, but certainly not as well as MLP.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 6:33 pm

It's been confirmed that season 3 of LPS has 26 episodes, so there will be 78.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:00 pm

Huh...how many episodes do they have to a season with LPS?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:02 pm

That's not fair then that it gets that turnaround. :rainbert:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:03 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Maybe it is. Is it that popular in the USA? Disney Channel only aired about 20 episodes here and now, it's off the air while MLP still dominates its same timeslot.


LPS has been getting 152-362,000 views with the average of 230,000 views. FiM has been getting from 380,000 to 770,000 and a average of 500,000.

I'd say: Popular enough...?

I wonder how Teenage Fairy Dropouts will do :gotcha:
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:36 pm

Not to get too wonkish about this*, but I wonder how MLP's durability over some of the Hasbro's biggest moneyspinners is about the changing dynamics of kids' tv and franchising and stuff.

Maybe it's simpler than that though, it seems like disruptive titles sneak through when the status quo is uncertain, and that's not so much about the state of kid's tv as it is about how young the Hub network is. Like as much as piracy is threatening dvd sales etc, it seems like the market for selling lumps of plastic to young girls is pretty evergreen**, so it's not like Hasbro's core strategy has changed since the eighties. In fact, by having lumps of plastic as the lynchpin of its whole business, Hasbro's actually in a pretty secure position right now, compared to record labels and movie distributors etcetera.

But still, MLP seems to have benefited from the convergence of quite a few rare circumstances. Hasbro launched this new network, and they were desperate for material to put on it, which led to a few flagships like MLP and a bunch of other stuff that was slightly baffling for a young kids' channel - Dan Vs, Aquabats, old gameshows.

Then you had a franchise that had been dormant for years and had so little interest that it didn't matter what happened to it, which meant that a creator from more alternative cartoons was suddenly in the frame for the sort of show that would usually have a journeyman industry writer filling out 20 minutes of show to give a reason to market toys.

The only reason that even worked is that the show was old enough that someone like Lauren Faust could have grown up with it in the first place and have affectionate associations with it.

So you had a really good writer pouring a lot of heart and love into reviving an old show, and with enough of a free hand to allow her to realise her desire to make a positive feminist show to give young girls strong, resonant characters to identify with.

Then it came out at a time when the internet was widespread and fast enough that people could like something, share it, rework it with videos and home-brew animation and songs and art and share that too. The existence of youtube and connection speeds that allowed people to watch episode-length video online also gave the show a reach beyond the relatively modest footprint of the Hub Network itself.

And not to get too deep into the "new sincerity" thing or whatever, but MLP did seem to appear at a time when people were ready for a show like this, that was positive and sincere and outright gooey at times without undercutting itself, but also smart and witty and sort of aware of how it was allowing itself to be that gooey.

And not to cast judgement on whether this was a good thing or a bad thing (good in a couple of ways, bad in a lot more I guess?), the unlikely adult following did lead to it getting coverage way beyond its viewing figures would suggest, with front-page stories in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and endless coverage on Wired and other places.

Oh, and shout out to Hasbro's own incompetence too! Lots of smaller networks have a way better grip on where their shows appear - try searching for episodes of the Venture Bros on youtube, they disappear almost immediately - but thanks to how slow a big corporation like that is to respond to stuff and thanks to their lack of experience with the whole area of internet virality, the show was able to spread and grow pretty much in spite of them.

And I guess that all adds up to a show with no potential for huge blockbuster movie franchises like Transformers and GI Joe have ending up as the longest-running tv series in Hasbro's history.

A lot of coincidental stuff had to intersect to get us to where we are now, but we're still here with our stupid horse anime.




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Postby Mordja (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:49 pm

On the off chance that anybody cares (I wouldn't! :v:) I'm doing a sort of rewatch of season 4, starting around the halfway point, and blathering about it in the episode threads.

Well, that's my story, thanks for listening. :areyousure:
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:54 pm

I can't abide blather :snobtavia:
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