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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:I'm glad you enjoy your fanfiction. I could probably recommend you some even better ones.




Now you're just being condescending... :-/
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:I'm glad you enjoy your fanfiction. I could probably recommend you some even better ones.


Now you're giving up any attempt at honest discussion and just being snippy. All people have done is disagree with you, not mock you.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:19 pm

The Doctor wrote:Now you're just being condescending... :-/

That's for the insinuation you made earlier :-P
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:21 pm

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Now you're giving up any attempt at honest discussion and just being snippy. All people have done is disagree with you, not mock you.

Seriously, Dulset Tarn. There's no need to try to turn this into a personal issue. It's fine if you think the comics are overstepping their bounds or if you disagree with Twilight becoming a princess, but please do not take up this sort of tone.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:22 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:That's for the insinuation you made earlier :-P


But I apparently wasn't wrong. You are trying to say the comics are fanficion. They aren't. They are official stories approved by Hasbro.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:25 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Seriously, Dulset Tarn. There's no need to try to turn this into a personal issue. It's fine if you think the comics are overstepping their bounds or if you disagree with Twilight becoming a princess, but please do not take up this sort of tone.

Did I offend?

The Doctor wrote:But I apparently wasn't wrong. You are trying to say the comics are fanficion and they aren't. They are official stories approved by Hasbro.

You have a right to your opinion.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:28 pm

The Doctor wrote:
But I apparently wasn't wrong. You are trying to say the comics are fanficion and they aren't. They are official stories approved by Hasbro.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't both DHX and IDW just contractors for Hasbro? By Dulset's standards, all of the show is really just a My Little Pony fanfiction :gotcha:

Dulset Tarn wrote:You have a right to your opinion.


As do you, as long as you treat it like one. But if you present your opinion as factual statement, be prepared for people to challenge it.

As one saying goes, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:31 pm

But my story about the ponies playing baseball is canon. I don't care what anyone says. :-P
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:32 pm

Bremen wrote:As one saying goes, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

Indeed! Even moreso, many people don't understand that there are good opinions and bad opinions, thinking a bad opinion is just as good as any other.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:33 pm

Master_Twig wrote:But my story about the ponies playing baseball is canon. I don't care what anyone says. :-P


Canon and non-canon are distinct terms from Official and fanwork, which I think might be part of what's causing the confusion here.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:38 pm

Bremen wrote:Canon and non-canon are distinct terms from Official and fanwork, which I think might be part of what's causing the confusion here.

Is anyone here even talking about canon or non-canon?
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:38 pm

Bremen wrote:
Canon and non-canon are distinct terms from Official and fanwork, which I think might be part of what's causing the confusion here.


Oh I agree completely. To me the difference between is 100% determined by being official and backed by the owning company rather than by specifically who wrote it.

If Megan McCarthy were to write a My Little Pony side story and only published it on her blog and it didn't have any support from Hasbro, I would consider that fanfiction.

If I was licensed by Hasbro to create a short story for My Little Pony and it was published and sold by them, it would be canon.

The line may be a little blurry, but I think that's the consensus of most people. What is and isn't hard canon is definitely a blurrier line, but the way I see it, side stuff like Equestria Girls and the Comics are both canon, BUT, if something in them directly contradicts something that happens in the show, then the show takes priority.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:42 pm

Master_Twig wrote:If I was licensed by Hasbro to create a short story for My Little Pony and it was published and sold by them, it would be canon.

Precisely, but it would still be fanfiction. Official, canon fanfiction.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:44 pm

How can fanfiction be canon? Doesn't that seem like an oxymoron? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:45 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:How can fanfiction be canon? Doesn't that seem like an oxymoron? :pinkieshrug:

By Hasbro saying it is!
They could go on fimfiction right now, point to a random fic, and make it canon. But it doesn't suddenly stop being a fanfiction.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:45 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:Precisely, but it would still be fanfiction. Official, canon fanfiction.


I think we're going to have to disagree. To me, and I think to most people here, "official" and "fanfiction" are mutually exclusive.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:45 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:Yes and yes, but it would still be fanfiction. Official, canon fanfiction.

Therein lies our misunderstanding, then. I don't really think there can be such a thing as "official, canon fanfiction." Is that just how you think of any stories in FiM that are official, yet aren't the basis of an episode of the show?

A better term might be to use something like the Expanded Universe of Star Wars. Those stories I don't really think of as fanfiction, but they're not one of the six movies either.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:48 pm

If I understand it correctly, according to Dulset anything written by anyone who has not written an episode of the TV show is fanfiction. As soon as you write an episode of the show, anything you write is no longer fanfiction.

To the rest of us, anything that is officially licensed by Hasbro, no matter who wrote it, is not fanfiction. I think most people would consider fanfiction and unofficial to be synonymous. The term "official fanfiction" being an oxymoron.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:54 pm

Bremen wrote:I think we're going to have to disagree. To me, and I think to most people here, "official" and "fanfiction" are mutually exclusive.

Why?

Fizzbuzz wrote:A better term might be to use something like the Expanded Universe of Star Wars. Those stories I don't really think of as fanfiction, but they're not one of the six movies either.

I'm not too familiar with the Star Wars EU, but it certainly sounds like official fanfiction to me. Funny you should mention that too, from what I hear, the new movie will contradict most of the expanded universe.

Master_Twig wrote:To the rest of us, anything that is officially licensed by Hasbro, no matter who wrote it, is not fanfiction. I think most people would consider fanfiction and unofficial to be synonymous. The term "official fanfiction" being an oxymoron.

Ok, here's the big misunderstanding I think we're all quibbling over. Things like "official" and "canon" are a matter of Hasbro's choice and nothing more. They can even be granted and redacted over time because they describe a relationship to the franchise, NOT a state of being.
Meanwhile, whether or not something is fanfiction is a fundamental part of what it is. Neither Hasbro nor anyone else can make a fanfiction not a fanfiction, nor make a real episode into a fanfiction. It's logically impossible. This proves that fanfictions can be "canon" and "official" should Hasbro choose it.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:59 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:Why?


As a matter of definition. The common definition of Fanworks refer specifically to something created by fans rather than the official company. Therefor, anything official is not a fanwork.

Again, if you want to say your opinion is that only show writers can create official material, then that's your opinion. You're treating it as a fact and that we're all wrong for disagreeing, though.

Out of curiosity, under your definition if Hasbro hired someone who was not a fan of the show to write a story, would it be a fanwork?
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:15 pm

Bremen wrote:your opinion is that only show writers can create official material

Sounds like you didn't even read my post.

Bremen wrote:Out of curiosity, under your definition if Hasbro hired someone who was not a fan of the show to write a story, would it be a fanwork?

Yes, there are plenty of examples of fanfiction written by non-fans.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:20 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:Sounds like you didn't even read my post.


Alright, fair enough; that's my own definitions showing through. Consider my intent to be "if you want to say your opinion is that only show writers can create material that isn't fanwork." It's still your opinion, not a fact.

Edit: For that matter, what would be your term for something that is not a fanwork (for example, the episodes, or any stories written by the show's writers) if not "official work?"
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:24 pm

I'm a little surprised we've argued so long on something as inconsequential as the comics. I'd much rather talk about the actual show :v:
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:29 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:I'm a little surprised we've argued so long on something as inconsequential as the comics. I'd much rather talk about the actual show :v:



The actual show is just fan-fiction of the 1980s My Little Pony :v:
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:32 pm

Strangest Letter wrote:The actual show is just fan-fiction of the 1980s My Little Pony :v:

:-/ Silly causal. The 1980's version was just a preemptive fanfiction of gen 6.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:40 pm

:sweetielarm: :flail:


Canon Princess. :wingsright:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 7:50 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:I'm a little surprised we've argued so long on something as inconsequential as the comics. I'd much rather talk about the actual show :v:


That'll happen when YOU bring the comics up and YOU act like you're the Canon Pope and decide to pick and choose what official products count.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 7:57 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:
That'll happen when YOU bring the comics up and YOU act like you're the Canon Pope and decide to pick and choose what official products count.


To be fair, I don't think he was trying to judge what was and was not canon; I think he was just using the word fanfiction completely differently than everyone else.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 10:12 pm

Dulset Tarn wrote:I'm glad you enjoy your fanfiction. I could probably recommend you some even better ones.


Hey, don't be a jerk, or you're gonna get a probation.
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Postby Cinders (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 11:47 pm

I thought the comics were stupid as hell, too. Subscribed to them for something like the first 20 issues, don't think I read more than 5.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Fri May 15, 2015 1:27 am

Headless Horse wrote: But that was never what the show was about, and considering how much more effort and emphasis is put on jokes and gags and character-driven comedy throughout the series compared to epic plot progression, I'm sure Lauren and the current writers would all be taken aback to hear that the way people were reading the show was as a continuity-heavy mythological drama.


:doomed: Ah, the paradox: the show runners, past and present, take the show both more and less seriously than the fans.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 15, 2015 6:01 am

So...it's Schroedinger's Showrunners in this case? :v:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 17, 2015 4:01 pm

The next Phoebe and Her Unicorn book is coming out soon, and it has an introduction by Lauren Faust.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon May 18, 2015 12:49 am

Just a note from UVerse...

We were told by a couple staff that the 100th ep (episode 9 of S5) is on 6/13, meaning a break on 5/30 and 6/6 (why they didn't just do 508 on 5/30 is beyond me). Zap2it confirmation should be pretty soon, I bet this week... 5/30 preliminary schedule is up and indeed it's EqG movies most of the morning. There's something labeled NEW with Rainbow Rocks at 11a though, followed by 503 at 11:30. I think it's just the RR shorts to fill half an hour, but I'll keep an eye on it. :fluttershock:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:17 am

The break times actually work pretty well for me as I've got University exams those weeks, meaning I can spend more time on them rather than goofing off about MLP. :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 18, 2015 12:10 pm

This coming weekend is Memorial Day weekend. Considering how that's a huge travel holiday for much of America, I'd think that Discovery Family would rather rerun EqG instead of showing a fresh episode then, since I don't think there'd be that many families in front of a TV to watch it.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Tue May 19, 2015 4:06 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:The break times actually work pretty well for me as I've got University exams those weeks, meaning I can spend more time on them rather than goofing off about MLP. :v:


This was the first time that the season overlapped with my final exams week. I had a study group meeting at 10am on a Saturday (the episodes start at 9:30 over here). Watched ponies. Was a few minutes late to the meeting. No regrets. :fluttershock:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 3:51 am

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/05/d ... -pony.html

Daniel Ingram’s beloved original songs are remixed by some of the top talent on the scene, including Faust & Shortee, Arkasia, Rubicon 7, Heavygrinder and more. The album was produced by Justin Lassen, who worked with all of the artists for the recording.


:fluttershock: I dunno who any of these guys are.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 5:36 am

I have no idea who they are as well but I think that the album might sell well.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:33 am

Never heard of any of those folks either, but I'll check it out.
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