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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:04 pm

So THAT'S how you make real life unicorns... :v:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:57 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I'm sure the latest something will be heard will be ToyFair in February, when they reveal the new toys. And that's right around the corner.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:09 pm

Hahaha, that got me pretty good. Read it in her voice and everything. :v:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:14 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:32 pm

That image first came up a fairly long time ago (possibly around this time last year, I forget exactly when). If no one's gotten upset by now then I don't think anyone will.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:39 pm

Hey, you're right...I think I saw it last in April or March. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:11 pm

Eh, I'm just kidding anyway :v:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:24 pm

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I'm sure the latest something will be heard will be ToyFair in February, when they reveal the new toys. And that's right around the corner.



There's also The KidExpo in France later this month. It's along shot, but maybe well get something there. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:27 pm

So has anyone seen the episode of Storage Wars where they find pony stuff?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey8-NkzXAmU

They take a giant G4 Pinkie plushie and a tub of G3's to a brony to get them appraised. Needless to say they're not worth what he said they were. :-/
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:45 pm

Wildfire wrote:So has anyone seen the episode of Storage Wars where they find pony stuff?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey8-NkzXAmU

They take a giant G4 Pinkie plushie and a tub of G3's to a brony to get them appraised. Needless to say they're not worth what he said they were. :-/

It was still worth $875, which is more than I expected. :starity:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:45 pm

Oh my god. I'm not watching that because no matter what it is it can't beat my mental image of SEAN PASTEFACE, LICENSED BRONY speaking earnestly into the camera in hushed tones about the goldmine these folks are sitting on
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:49 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Oh my god. I'm not watching that because no matter what it is it can't beat my mental image of SEAN PASTEFACE, LICENSED BRONY speaking earnestly into the camera in hushed tones about the goldmine these folks are sitting on

Somehow I feel like that can't be worse than than the typical trashiness of Storage Wars. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:56 pm

How does one become a licensed brony? Is there an exam you have to pass? What's the governing authority? :ponder:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:15 am

Seven Seas wrote:How does one become a licensed brony? Is there an exam you have to pass? What's the governing authority? :ponder:


What the hell, you have over 500 posts in this site and you're only worrying about this now? Do you at least have a learner's permit? :skeptical:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:29 am

So, someone has made a video of MLP where they used motion interpolation to give the scene a frame rate of 60 FPS (to see the difference: a.) Be on Google Chrome b.) Turn it to 720p 60)


Disclosure: This is a rant... against a higher frame rate

Now, MLP and many other cartoons are run at 23.976 (or 24 for simplicity sake) frames per second. The only things that run at 60 fps or higher are generally videogames, which helps players greatly because input lag, the delay between pressing a button and the action happening on screen can affect the gameplay. Films however, despite The Hobbit movies being the only attempt to break the mold with its 48 FPS, are still shot in 24 frames because people just are still used to it. Personally, while I think the higher frame rate helps the action scenes (more smooth, you can tell what's happening), all the quiet talking/doing nothing moments tend to look a bit too fast at 48 FPS.

And as for cartoons... well, the biggest issue with 60 FPS is that the animators are gonna have even much more work on their hands. Heck, while animation is shown at 24 FPS, most don't draw on 1's aka they don't draw 24 individual frames per second because it's costly and would take up too much time. Instead, most draw on 2's, or they use the same frame twice, thus really it's just 12 unique frames multiplied by 2 identical frames to get 24 FPS. In short, animators are basically drawing only 12 frames per second.

But because of advances in Television technology, they are now offering motion interpolation in their TVs, a method in which boosts the frame rate of whatever's being shown by artificially creating more frames on screen there already is. After watching cartoons like MLP FiM, Wander Over Yonder, Gravity Falls, and Mickey Mouse on a TV with that feature on, as well as this posted video, I have to say that I dislike any motion interpolation when I'm watching cartoons, especially.

Why? Because while it does admittedly make some scenes look more smooth (i.e. tracking shots where the camera moves across the scene like at 0:18), if you look closely at moments such as 0:13, 0:25, and- well, most of the video, you'll see some details 'tearing', or screen tearing. Like, when characters blink their eyes, their eyebrows and eyes will pixelate for a split second. That's the cost of having 60 FPS, movements will look faster but the details will pixelate as a result. And yes, it probably is due to whatever the person's computer specs are or what their software was (i.e. there was a add-on for VLC that was as bad as this at motion interpolation) but even on a TV, although has slightly less tearing, TVs have a unique issue in that they produce ghostly-looking frames where you'll see a half faded image of the previous frame.

So both PC and TVs have problems in portraying 60 FPS. And unfortunately, I don't see animators drawing 30-60 individual frames in the foreseeable future :-P But y'know, do we really need 60 FPS or a higher frame rate? There are shows that look perfectly fine like MLP FiM, Gravity Falls (as long as they don't do tracking shots) and there are some shows like Wander Over Yonder or Mickey Mouse where they are able to offer some really slick body movements thanks to techniques like animation smears which is movement that's supposed to imitate motion blur by drawing several frames like the picture below. In fact, at 60 FPS, you don't even see these smears because everything is moving faster, making it harder to appreciate them.

So.... I hope I explained why I find this "Let's make everything 60 FPS that's not a video game" 'trend' kind of ill-founded. At a glance, it may seem faster but whether at a closer look or when you watch it over time, the detail is lost or you'll get some ghostly frames. Animators won't be animating at a higher Frame Rate until- I dunno, robots are made to draw 60 individual frames. And I think the solution to getting a smoother look isn't in a higher frame rate but in techniques like animation smears.
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Hey, in fact, if you watch the 24 FPS version of this sequence, not only is it one of the smoothest animation in the series, but they even use animation smears to do that (particularly at 1:12 when they transition from standing to crouching). Further proof that human-made animation tricks are always superior to technology
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:33 am

Hasbro & Dreamworks Animation are gettin together.
http://deadline.com/2014/11/dreamworks- ... 201282751/

Get ready for How to Train Your Spike & Kung-Fu Diamond dogs coming to a theatre near you! :gotcha:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:38 am

Thanks to high frame rate The Hobbit looks like a home video of some idiots in dorky community theater costumes, and that's all the convincing I need.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:43 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Hasbro & Dreamworks Animation are gettin together.
http://deadline.com/2014/11/dreamworks- ... 201282751/

Get ready for How to Train Your Spike & Kung-Fu Diamond dogs coming to a theatre near you! :gotcha:


I can only hope :allears:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:45 am

I know we've joked about the DreamWorks face (hence :dreamworks: having its name), but if that actually becomes a thing for ponies... :nngh:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:54 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I know we've joked about the DreamWorks face (hence :dreamworks: having its name), but if that actually becomes a thing for ponies... :nngh:



Well Dreamwork's can do 2D animation they have in the past & they have that Turbo cartoon on Netflix, but yeah, if by some chance Dreamworks animates the pony movie instead of DHX, not sure how I'd feel, I like Dreamworks Animated films, but not sure if I would trust them with pony.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:55 am

I haven't seen a Dreamworks animated movie since... Madagascar :pcstare:

But I miss the days of the Hand-Drawing Department who gave us Prince of Egypt, El Dorado, Spirit, and Sinbad :fluttersmith:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:58 am

El Dorado & Prince of Egypt are some of my favorite movies in general. :allears:

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:04 am

Worrying that Dreamworks would animate Ponies with :dreamworks: faces just because they're Dreamworks is like how people freaked out when McDonald's bought Chipotle and assumed that the burritos would start tasting like french fry oil.

These are portfolio companies buying value, not auteurs enforcing their rigid aesthetic visions on things.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:11 am

I'm just waiting for someone to break free from the 3D animation trend. Dreamworks, they seem to be awfully focused on making sequels to their already 3D-animted franchises and have no hope that they plan on making the dive into 2D again. Sony? They seem to be pushing for 3D animation too, even Genndy Tartakovsky and Lauren Faust's films are gonna be in 3D. Paramount Animation behind the new Spongebob movie? Apparently that film is mostly set in the live-action world and the characters are gonna be in 3D (the opening and probably closing sequence will be in 2D though). Disney and Pixar? They're also in the 3D trend, with Moana coming out in 2016 being in 3D.

But like I said before, the one who seems to be possibly trying to break free from the 3D trend may be Disney, what with their Paperman technology that blends 2D and 3D aesthetics. Until then, which may be in 2017 or later, we will continue to live in a world dominated by 3D animated theatrical films.
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That said, I don't hate 3D animation entirely. My problem is that there's no diversity when it comes to animation in theaters :ohrarity:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:32 am

Honestly I feel this might be more about further expansion into televised animation, it's possible Hasbro's recent success with such may have Dreamworks interested, perhaps cartoons for Dreamworks properties will eventually move to Discovery Family. Or perhaps Dreamworks will let Hasbro contract DHX to do toons with their properties. Honestly I'd be cool with a 2D Kung-Fu Panda or Penquins toon myself.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:58 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

There's also The KidExpo in France later this month. It's along shot, but maybe well get something there. :pinkieshrug:


Unlikely, as there is so much more press attention at Toy Fair.

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Hasbro & Dreamworks Animation are gettin together.
http://deadline.com/2014/11/dreamworks- ... 201282751/

Get ready for How to Train Your Spike & Kung-Fu Diamond dogs coming to a theatre near you! :gotcha:


Interesting, and logical. I assume all this would mean is that Hasbro has a controlling interest in the entertainment, and it isn't some merging of Dreamworks and Hasbro into one company. Especially considering "Dreamworks Animation" isn't Dreamworks as a whole. So all it would be is Hasbro taking a controlling interest, and this "Dreamworks-Hasbro" being strictly animation, with toys remaining a different deal.

Also interesting because this gives Hasbro a huge control over toys in animation. Dreamworks animated movie toys will be done by Hasbro, as will Disney animated movies soon. Hasbro will be able to blow Mattel entirely out of the water, and come back to go up against LEGO, biggest toy company in the world now.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:18 am

:dwi: Today Dreamworks, Tommorow... THE WORLD

:eyebrow: Yeah I'm pretty sure we still got a ways ta go fer we own more the world then Disney.

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:flirt: cause as your financial advisor, that's mah job.


Anywho...

If this merger does go through... All I want is Jack Black to voice one of Rainbow Dash's relatives in a future season of pony.


And a new Dreamworks TV cartoons that gets treated well cause Nick treated theirs like crap.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:10 am

Actually, as I think about this Dreamworks thing more, I feel it's a bit unreal, and I'm starting to doubt that it's valid. I mean, remember all those rumors from whenever ago, that Hasbro was going to be bought out by Disney?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:13 am

Yeah, I'm not buying this Dreamworks rumour until we see some actual evidence. They said the same thing about Disney buying out Hasbro and that went nowhere so I'm assuming this is the same case.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:53 am

Not to mention, why would Hasbro recently announce this production company meant for entertainment called "Allspark Pictures", only to look to cut a deal with Dreamworks Animation?

Also, going back to their deal with Disney, why not just go to them for help? While I'm sure Pixar is out of their league, it's not like Disney doesn't have control over other animation companies, or have influence in the field. Sure, they might need to perform a blood sacrifice to the Mouse God, but that will also at least put them on good terms with him and Mecha-Walt Disney.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:06 am

Well, Dreamworks did distribute the Transformers films but that might be because Spielberg had a hand to play in it than anything else. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:51 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Not to mention, why would Hasbro recently announce this production company meant for entertainment called "Allspark Pictures", only to look to cut a deal with Dreamworks Animation?

Also, going back to their deal with Disney, why not just go to them for help?

Once your company gets to a certain size, the bean-counters in charge are going to be looking for ways to grow (their market, their value, their own stock options), and merging with other companies is a popular way to make that happen.

Hasbro is now a media company, and Dreamworks Entertainment is also a media company. Does Hasbro need Dreamworks for their studios or marketing? No, but together they can be... a bigger media company. It'll be interesting to see how Disney reacts, but the merger could easily happen just because "it's business!"
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:40 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Well, Dreamworks did distribute the Transformers films but that might be because Spielberg had a hand to play in it than anything else. :pinkieshrug:


Yeah, but Dreamworks stopped with Transformers after the second one.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:55 pm

Oh right...Paramount took over from them after that, right? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:38 am

I was watching the Let The Rainbow Remind You song just now and it reminded me of how unmemorable AJ's key character was :v:

All the other ones had something remarkable about them, Cheese Sandwich and Coco Pommel were cool, and then there's the super generic grey background pony who gave AJ a coin in an episode where Flim&Flam stole the spotlight anyway :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:03 am

Honestly, in retrospect I'm surprised Coco Pommel got as much attention as she did. After all, her main gimmick seemed to be that she was incredibly meek and a bit of a doormat, a trait shared somewhat by a certain yellow pony.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:28 am

It could have something to do with the voice actress or her design as well. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:51 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Honestly, in retrospect I'm surprised Coco Pommel got as much attention as she did. After all, her main gimmick seemed to be that she was incredibly meek and a bit of a doormat, a trait shared somewhat by a certain yellow pony.


Yeah, won't argue with that. But both her and Suri seemed like interesting characters, and I guess it being an all around great episode doesn't hurt :allears:

We need more cool one off characters like that, less rehashes and villain redemptions :-P
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:33 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:I was watching the Let The Rainbow Remind You song just now and it reminded me of how unmemorable AJ's key character was :v:

All the other ones had something remarkable about them, Cheese Sandwich and Coco Pommel were cool, and then there's the super generic grey background pony who gave AJ a coin in an episode where Flim&Flam stole the spotlight anyway :-I


That's why I felt Flim and Flam should have been the one to give the coin to them.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:42 pm

But would Flim and Flam be the kind of ponies to do that? :pinkieshrug:
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