Equestria Girls 2: RAINBOW ROCKS (shorts + movie, Fall 2014)

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Re: My Little Pony: Equestria Girls 2 RAINBOW ROCKS

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:43 pm

Remember that this is being targeted at pre-teen girls by Hasbro executives. You think the suits give a shit about basic things like storytelling or not spoiling their own movie? They most likely think kids are too dumb to appreciate such things.
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Postby Sind (?) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:19 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Either SS was swept under the rug and never existed (sorry, Grue :fluttersmith: ) OR SS decided being good is BOOOOOORING
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You know, I bet it'll be even better than that.
Sunset Shimmer will show up, but only in the background of one or two shots.
Like standing in line at the cafeteria, or the main six pass by her in the hallways.
And it won't be anything that tells us about her character either, like sitting at a table with other people, or cheering on the girls.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:23 pm

Sunset is serving out her sentence as an assistant to Janitor Discord for destroying the front of the school in the 1st movie. :gotcha:
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:27 am

That gets delegated to Snips and Snails. :smirk:
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:35 am

Another source confirms the claims of that random forum poster:
The main things in the Hasbro booth seemed to be the New Rainbow Rocks Equestria Girls (they were playing a clip of the new movie on a large TV screen)


What's interesting is the last picture he took:
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That shot on the screen is definitely from the end of Equestria Girls 1, it's possible that the second movie takes place right after the first ends, instead of after Season 4 as we all assumed.
Or it was just a recap for the Trailer, who knows? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:29 am

The only way I can see this movie happening right after the first is if Twilight doesn't actually go back to Dougworld. After all, the first movie ended with the portal closing immediately after Twilight and Spike stepped through, so there's no way they'd immediately handwave that plot point away. If Twilight does actually go back then I'm expecting some line about the Rainbow Power reopening it despite the normal time limit.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:35 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:The only way I can see this movie happening right after the first is if Twilight doesn't actually go back to Dougworld. After all, the first movie ended with the portal closing immediately after Twilight and Spike stepped through, so there's no way they'd immediately handwave that plot point away. If Twilight does actually go back then I'm expecting some line about the Rainbow Power reopening it despite the normal time limit.


Are you bringing Real-Time into the logic of Cartoons? :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:53 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:
Are you bringing Real-Time into the logic of Cartoons? :-I

Normally I wouldn't, but they did make a big deal about that "30 moons" thing. If they pulled some trick to immediately reopen the portal then that'd rob the first movie of what little emotional tension (the scene where Twilight said she'd stay in Dougworld despite the possible danger to Equestria) it had.
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:07 pm

Nevermind, this is from the author of the video:
They were definitely showing a clip from "Rainbow Rocks" (or a trailer - I couldn't hear any audio from he other side of the window), as well as various clips from the first EG movie. As I say, I wasn't at the Toy Fair very long so couldn't hang around the Hasbro booth to watch the video round, but there was a scene of the EG humans up on stage playing in a band when we first arrived there.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:51 pm

@Fizz Time is not relevant to cartoon ponies. And there's plenty of retcons, magical mcguffins, cheesy cheats they could use to have Twy go back.

Maybe makes her own mirror. Or Sunset somehow hacks the existing one.

:twonk: Time limit be damned, we gotta sale toys!
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:41 pm

:gonkity: So DerpyNews got some wind from the Toy Fair and the name "Adagio Dazzle" came up after "Twilight, Pinkie Pie, and...".

So i guess Adagio Dazzle may be the New Character (replacing SS) and possibly be voiced by a 'celebrity' ala Discord and Big Cheese...?

Course, she may just be a toy-exclusive character :pinkieshrug:

You can probably find more info here including possibly the redone Everfree Castle now called the Rainbow Castle... Riiiiiigggghhhhtttt....
http://mlp.derpynews.com/rainbow-kingdo ... /#comments

I just woke up so... :effort:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:50 pm

Nah, it looked like their was a sunset toy in the Rainbow Rockers line too. Adagio is probably one of the gals in Trixies band, or hell who knows, might be Human DJPon3s name. XD. Or might be toy only.

But yeah, Dazzle is becoming an all too common go to word for Hasbro.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:20 pm

Maybe Adagio Dazzle is the new friend who appeared on the cover of the EqG2 book. After all, that new friend didn't quite look like the same Vinyl Scratch who appeared in the first movie. (Vinyl did appear, right? Or am I misremembering that?)
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:25 pm

I think this "Dazzle" is a way to bring in DJ-Pon3, but changing her fandom name. (Vinyl Scratch was never given to her by Hasbro, was it? I'm not sure, correct me if I'm wrong. :rariwhat: ) If it was a name given that Hasbro adopted, it would make sense to me why they would want to change it for the target audience. But if Vinyl Scratch was a name created by Hasbro, I guess this would be different.

Either way, whatever she's named, I don't want that background pony in an actual role the movie. But it won't stop me from seeing it anyway. Can't be worse than Flash Sentry.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:30 pm

Hasbro have used both DJ Pon-3 and Vinyl Scratch on merchandise before (DJ Pon-3 usually*, Vinyl Scratch on the Spinal Tap parody poster), though it's true they didn't create either of them. They may have wanted to move away from DJ Pon-3 as it makes less sense in the EqG universe, but they do have it trademarked, which is the normal reason they use things like Diamond Dazzle Tiara.

Given Hasbro's overuse of Dazzle in toy names, until there's evidence of a character being named that in EqG2 itself, that will probably just be one of their toy trademark names. :pinkieshrug:

EDIT: Here is Scratch in EqG1:
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*EDIT 2: Even going as far back as EqG0. :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:44 pm

I still think it's here then. Given how different our regular Mane 6 appears, I think that's meant to be her. She is supposed to get that car too, right? Seems like something they would do for a side character.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:07 am

"adaigo" seems to be a slow type of music, so it better not be Vinyl.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:11 am

Wayoshi wrote:"adaigo" seems to be a slow type of music, so it better not be Vinyl.


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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:47 am

Hmm, maybe I assumed too fast.

Still, foregoing the perfect name already given by the fandom, Vinyl Scratch, would be asinine, even by Hasbro's standards. *prepares for it to happen*
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:51 am

Wayoshi wrote:Hmm, maybe I assumed too fast.

Still, foregoing the perfect name already given by the fandom, Vinyl Scratch, would be asinine, even by Hasbro's standards. *prepares for it to happen*

Given that they've used both names, too, I'm really not sure why they would come up with a third. (Though I guess DJ PON-3 wouldn't work since she definitely isn't a pony.)
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:06 am

Wayoshi wrote:Hmm, maybe I assumed too fast.

Still, foregoing the perfect name already given by the fandom, Vinyl Scratch, would be asinine, even by Hasbro's standards. *prepares for it to happen*


To be fair, I don't see how it would be asinine. I mean, they didn't come up with Vinyl Scratch, and she's never been important until now. Again, it is their character after all. In all fairness, to those of you who are fans of the background pony, this is their attempt to bring her into a more prominent role, and the name change was probably to help market to the target audience still, or maybe it was easier to trademark, I don't know.

E: Perhaps they can keep DJ-PON3 for the character, saying it's a stage name or something. I mean we don't know that.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:12 am

Are there potentially copyright / IP issues when using that name in animation that wouldn't arise from other things (toys)? Although we had Derpy
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:15 am

Well they've kept Octavia & Lyra. But yea, who knows maybe they couldn't get Vinyl Scratch copy written for some reason. They had to change Bon-Bon to Sweetie Drops, weird stuff happens. :pinkieshrug:

I would love for them to keep Vinyl Scratch, but if they had to give her human counterpart a different name for some reason, so be it. We can still call the pony Vinyl.

Or who knows as said may be a different character all together.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:25 am

Well, the only time DJ-Pon3 is ever referred to verbally, she is addressed as "DJ" and that is all. (Equestria Girls.) Sometimes there are issues, as I recall in other series. Now this I know is a different reason, but it's an example how Hasbro names some things through the toys, and other times something else. In Hasbro's Transformers Animated, the character Starscream cloned himself into several bodies. As anyone would recognize, the bodies of these clones looked like the G1 seekers Skywarp, Thundercracker, and Sunstorm (as well as a 2 other characters, but that's a different story and not relevant.) Skywarp, Thundercracker and Sunstorm all got toys in the toyline with their respective names. However, in the show they were never referred to as such. Even in the credits they were only listed as "Starscream clones" even in episodes where Starscream had no role. I found out the reason for this was because if they gave the names of Skywarp, Thundercracker and Sunstorm to the characters on the show, the voice actor Tom Kenny would need to be paid for 3 additional roles. By keeping the name to "Starscream clones" that only allowed him to just be paid for the role of Starscream, and not the others. Regardless of what the boxes of the toys said.

Now, while I highly doubt this is the case with DJ-PON3, it is just meant to be an example on how Hasbro in the past has wrote one thing on the toys, and another thing on the screen. Now I'm sure they'll have a good reason for changing her name, and my guess it has something to do with marketing. But this is me simply speculating. :pinkieshrug:

E: Octavia and Lyra still aren't given those names in the show though, so they're in the same boat as DJ-PON3. Hasbro could change their names on the show at any given notice, and that's okay.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:34 pm

True, but they have been given those names on official 1st party Hasbro merchandise, I take the names on a pony by pony basis, and by what Hasbro does, if their toy has that name there's A good chance it's cannon, DJPON3 is abit different cause she has to have both a stage name & a regular name, Bon-Bon has always been Sweetie Drops to Hasbro but they let 3rd party merch use it for awhile because :ponydrugs: and since she's a clonie, who knows there could be Both a Sweetie Drops & a Bon Bon XD

But yeah as of now if any background ponies are referred to by name on FIM I expect

Carrot top to be addressed as Golden Harvest, Lyra as Lyra Heartstrings, Colgate as Minutte, and Octavia as Octavia Melody.

Also, it's possible adagio is just another stage name for the DJ, if she is part of the pony tones in the upcoming Filli Vannili episode perhaps she has a different title for every type of music she plays.... Perhaps we shall never know her true name! She is a mare/girl of mystery. :-P
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:34 pm

Lyra/Octavia exist in the same place Diamond Tiara is.

I mean on toys she is Diamond Dazzle Tiara, because trademark, but nobody actually calls her that.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:03 pm

Lyra is a bit of a special case. Originally she was just called "Heartstrings" in the toys, but at some point Hasbro adopted our name for her, which gave us her full name today.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:34 pm

All I know is that if Octavia is referred to by name in the show it better be as Octavia, or Ms. Melody, or I'm rioting! :-P
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:32 pm

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So much for that theory. I wonder if it's going to be a new character then, or simply a toy-only deal.

Between Sunset Shimmer, Trixie, the DJ, possibly Diamond Tiara and this Adagio, I hope they don't spread the focus so much that no character has a strong role in the movie. :roll:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:35 pm

Do we even know if Sunset Shimmer will be coming back? You'd think the sequel would want to expand on a character who came out extremely shallow despite her potential, but it is possible that she was cut so that EqG2 could focus entirely on this silly band stuff.
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:55 pm

^ Sunset coming back was mentioned by Hasbro employees at the London Toy Fair, according to our first source.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:41 pm

But she didn't rule out the Possibility of Adaigo being Vinyl's evil twin Sister. :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:54 pm

I just hope that the focus remains on the Mane 6, and it doesn't shift over to these new characters, especially Dazzle.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:03 pm

So here's a pic of what is supposedly Sunsets Rainbow Rocks Doll. Guess, she's reformed, she looks nicer now.

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Yep calling it now, she won't get any real development, is just magically nice now. :v:


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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:32 pm

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What's with Twilight taking a very Rainbow Dash-like look?

:lol: Congratulations Twilight, you're the new Rainbow Dash.
:-/ That's not funny, Spike.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:54 pm

ilcane87 wrote:Image

So much for that theory. I wonder if it's going to be a new character then, or simply a toy-only deal.

Between Sunset Shimmer, Trixie, the DJ, possibly Diamond Tiara and this Adagio, I hope they don't spread the focus so much that no character has a strong role in the movie. :roll:


:gotcha: Vinyl Scratch's new cannon name is actually Adagio Dewdrop Dazzle!
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:07 am

You know, since we've seen Rainbow Rock-ified versions of the pony main 6, I wonder if there's a chance any of the ponies (besides Twilight, obviously) will come to Dougworld and perhaps meet their other selves, or vice versa. That might be neat. :ponder:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:16 am

Didn't Celestia say something about it creating a space time paradox if too many people crossed over? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:34 am

The Doctor wrote:Didn't Celestia say something about it creating a space time paradox if too many people crossed over? :pinkieshrug:

She, and the movie, handwaved it as such:
Princess Celestia: Sending all of you could upset the balance of this alternate world, creating havoc that would make it impossible for Twilight to get the crown back from Sunset Shimmer. This is something Princess Twilight must do alone.

With that said, we do know that they'll all be passing through the mirror whenever it's linked to whatever other world in the upcoming story in the comics, so maybe Celestia was wrong. (Though if any of the ponies do go back to Dougworld in EqG2, I expect it'll once again only be Twilight.)
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