Re: M02: Equestria Girls - Rainbow Rocks
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RainbowDoubleDash wrote:The third-best thing about Sunset came when the Dazzlings tried to basically get her to either give into her own despair at the thought of ever getting friends, or else maybe even go back to her old ways. And...she didn't. Sure, what the Dazzlings said to her when he was alone with them hurt her, we could see that, but as much as it hurt her it didn't get to her at any point. She just went right on trying to make her new friendships work, save the school, etc. This actually meshes pretty well with her actions in the first movie, in that the first movie established Sunset as a long-term thinker and planner (contrasting with Twilight, who lives pretty much in the moment, for all that she makes checklists for her days). Same thing happened here; her eyes never left the prize.
-No other redemption in FiM has been better than Sunset's. Luna kind of became a different character, and wasn't mentioned for a season, and Discord is still kind of a jerk. I feel Sunset's redemption shows a change in her character, she feels guilty, she feels ashamed.
-Fine, burn me at the stake, but I'll say it anyway. I like the EQG designs more than the pony versions now. It just seems to show they're more expressive, being able to use their arms and fingers, or how they walk. I feel this allows the animators to express them better, and therefore, I find that to be another thing better than FiM now.
Wayoshi wrote:Question, SD - how is this "reboot" asas S1-2 for you? Is it really just fresh character / pairs of characters you are looking for, which you've complained about in the comic threads?
Perhaps you're right about this on the back end. The front end is still the huge plot hole that is EqG1.
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Wayoshi wrote:I think it's worth remembering that this show was only supposed to go 65 episodes. There's only so many core friendship lessons that can be done. They are stretching as much as they can, and a good chunk of post-S2 episodes have been pretty admirable in doing that well. Did you really want explicit friendship letters to Celestia for 91+ episodes? You do realize the writers got so tired of that formula they broke out of Twi-only just one season in? We've gotten some great episodes/morals with the scope of this generalized more to "self-help" in S3-4 (off the top of my head: Sleepless, Just For Sidekicks, Flight to the Finish, Rarity Takes Manehattan, Pinkie Pride, Filli Vanilli, Sweetie Bell Toils, Testing Testing 1 2 3, Equestria Games)
ShieldedDiamond wrote:I find it funny how I can watch this but still not be able to bring myself to watch the finale of the season, after hearing what happens. I feel this goes to prove how things can change. Like, I'm actually upset at the direction of the show, and it's deviation. If the message was "Violence doesn't fix anything", then why was it there in the first place?
PaulloDEC wrote:
Could you possibly expand on what it is you're alluding to here?
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
Isn't there some Dragon Ball-like fight in the finale of S4?
DerFurShur wrote:Yeah basically Tirek tries to take Twilight's magic by force but they're too evenly matched so he has to rely on making a deal with Twilight by exchanging her magic for her friends, which ends up teaching Discord a lesson about friendship so he gives her the final key that allows them to open the box and send Tirek back to Pony Hell.
Really a lot of people said the fight was pointless but I don't really think so, it showed that Twilight with all four of the princess' magic was too strong for Tirek to overcome through sheer magical dominance.
There's a better argument to be made that the Mane 6 fighting the Changelings was pointless, but it gave us a cool Powerpuff Girls-looking shot and some comedic moments so it gets a pass.
PaulloDEC wrote:
Yup. It doesn't solve anything though; in fact it ends up being an entirely pointless endeavor that results in no benefit to anyone. Someone lashes out in anger, and it solves nothing.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
But my point was, if the point of the fight was to show fighting is pointless, why was the fight there to begin with? Now, that's no fault by storyline, I'd ask that to the writers. Because wouldn't having the villain challenge the fight, and not accepting, with no actual fighting give across the same message? I just feel like showing a fight, with the end message being "Fighting isn't good" (in FiM), isn't that really nothing more than a time-killer? I feel like the same message of "violence doesn't solve anything" was shown across just as well in the first episodes, where nothing occurred.
PaulloDEC wrote:
So wait, you're against violence in the show, period?
Not everything in the show is there to demonstrate a message, nor should it be. The fight in the Season 4 finale might have had the incidental effect of aligning with a "fighting doesn't solve problems" message, but I'd bet money that it was primarily there for storytelling and character reasons. The stakes are high and Twilight is forced to act alone. Ultimately she's pushed too far, and she pushes back. This is solid character drama as far as I'm concerned. If you try to write from a perspective where any action that proves futile ought to be excised from the story, I'm not sure your end result would be very compelling.
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ShieldedDiamond wrote:
Well, I'm not against violence in kids shows, I prefer not having violence in MLP. Reason being, I don't see it in the same taste as the show. I'm not watching Attack on Titan for friendship lessons, and I'm not watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for scientific education. That's how I feel about that. When I found out that was in the episode, character development didn't come to mind, what came to mind was "the writers wanted to do something 'epic'" and that really disappointed me, because I just don't see it fitting in, even if there was supposed to be a point.
As for character drama, you could also start killing off characters, that's effective. That's what I mean. (That's what I mean as in, that's effective for some shows, but not FiM. Killing off characters would not be good in my book for FiM!) I feel there are other ways to enforce character drama, without resorting to a way like that, because in my opinion, it doesn't fit the show. The show I feel has created solid drama in the past without that, and seeing how they did something that in my opinion is out of the blue, makes me feel like FiM is loosing the charm that made me watch it in the first place.
The Outlander wrote:So anyways, watched the movie again because I'm addicted and can't get enough. I noticed in the end credits that it lines up all the anime artworks just before the stinger ending, and it shows Sunset Shimmer with the rest of the Mane Six. She isn't even on the outermost limits (reserved for AJ and Fluttershy), she's the second one in from the left. This makes it all but certain that she'll be appearing as a main character in later Equestria Girls related material, but I'm wondering if maybe the show runners are looking to add her to the main show as well. She's clearly engineered color and personality-wise to fit in with the rest of the cast, and after this movie I'm inclined to think she'd be a great addition to the show.
The Outlander wrote:Sorry, that was just how I interpreted the events. I didn't think you might talk about them on here, SD. The point I was making that the S4 finale was possibly a lesson about how violence was useless hinges on how they handle Season 5. If they start solving problems by punching them in the face, then the S4 finale will ring hollow and I'll have to come up with some other excuse to like it. Same goes with Discord, who has a possibility of being an interesting character in the following season, but only if the writers fully understand the extent of what the S4 finale should have, and apparently already has, done to his character.
So anyways, watched the movie again because I'm addicted and can't get enough. I noticed in the end credits that it lines up all the anime artworks just before the stinger ending, and it shows Sunset Shimmer with the rest of the Mane Six. She isn't even on the outermost limits (reserved for AJ and Fluttershy), she's the second one in from the left. This makes it all but certain that she'll be appearing as a main character in later Equestria Girls related material, but I'm wondering if maybe the show runners are looking to add her to the main show as well. She's clearly engineered color and personality-wise to fit in with the rest of the cast, and after this movie I'm inclined to think she'd be a great addition to the show.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
But my point was, if the point of the fight was to show fighting is pointless, why was the fight there to begin with? Now, that's no fault by storyline, I'd ask that to the writers. Because wouldn't having the villain challenge the fight, and not accepting, with no actual fighting give across the same message? I just feel like showing a fight, with the end message being "Fighting isn't good" (in FiM), isn't that really nothing more than a time-killer? I feel like the same message of "violence doesn't solve anything" was shown across just as well in the first episodes, where nothing occurred.
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