Re: Offseason General Show Chat



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Perrydotto
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ShieldedDiamond wrote:And it's at the point it's time to end the show, because if the writers truly think they've reached that point, you don't morph the show into something else. You don't turn Transformers into a series about complex morality (in regards to the cartoon) simply because you think there's nothing left in the "Megatron's the bad guy with evil schemes" category. The ingredients have a lifespan because they're supposed to have a lifespan. If you drink half a bottle of wine, you don't water it up in order to refill it, because you're running low on ingredients to refill the bottle, just so it lasts longer.
Perrydotto wrote:So a series slowly evolving is a bad thing now? Why? You don't have to like how it's evolving, that's your perogative, but saying that a show has to stick with its formula without any change or development whatsoever, regardless of how well it's working, is just kinda asking for mediocrity.
Wayoshi wrote:That's rarely how TV works, though.
They haven't morphed the show into something it wasn't at the start quite yet.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:I don't know where you're getting that. I can think of 10 in a minute, they haven't done.
Perrydotto wrote:So a series slowly evolving is a bad thing now? Why? You don't have to like how it's evolving, that's your perogative, but saying that a show has to stick with its formula without any change or development whatsoever, regardless of how well it's working, is just kinda asking for mediocrity.
Wayoshi wrote:That's rarely how TV works, though.
They haven't morphed the show into something it wasn't at the start quite yet.
PaulloDEC wrote:
A television show isn't a bottle of wine, though; TV shows grow and change all the time.
Headless Horse wrote:
Entirely possible they do have plenty left that I'm not thinking of. What do you have in mind?
ShieldedDiamond wrote:Oh, and for actual proof, the show has lost the E/I in the corner of the screen was dropped. That was dropped because the show was deemed no longer educational by that company, as a result of the fandom. If that doesn't ring bells, I don't know what does.
Wylie wrote:-Tradition doesn't mean you have to do it. - "Lesson Zero"
ShieldedDiamond wrote:It's a comparison. And a rather good one, as wines are considered to get better over time, so they are something else changed by time. So I believe the watering example works extremely well.
PaulloDEC wrote:
You're equating change in a television show to watering down a bottle of wine; in other words you're suggesting that change is a negative influence, something that can only make a program worse.
Are there any shows you like that you think improved over time? I think it took The Simpsons about three seasons to find its feet, and the show changed quite significantly to reach that point. Doctor Who is another example, being a show that changes more often and more dramatically than almost any other on television, and yet you'll very rarely find people who believe the earlier seasons were the best.
Watering down a bottle of wine is never an improvement, but change and evolution in television often can be.
Wylie wrote:Removing the E/I label wasn't done by anyone as a result of the fandom, that much is certain- it was done before Season 2 started, when the showrunners weren't truly aware of a fandom existing yet.
Perrydotto wrote:You don't need to bitterly defend your opinion.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:You're completely manipulating my point. I never said change was bad. In fact if you actually read my post, I said change was fine, as long as it remained true to itself. I equated watering to be too much change, which I feel it's going through.
ROBOT B9 wrote:I doubt that the fandom had much to do with the pop culture references- Return of Harmony was made WELL before the fandom was well known amongst the showrunners, yet it still have references to Star Trek, Star Wars and The Shining.
PaulloDEC wrote:MLP makes things stick, which means you can't do new episodes without taking into account what happened in the prior ones.
PaulloDEC wrote:
I'm just going to chalk that one up to Rainbow being an idiot. I mean, humans aren't the only creatures who've got hands! I'm not a horse, a crab or a dog, and yet I still know what a hoof, a claw/pincer and a paw are!
Wylie wrote:To your ideas:
-Lying makes a situation worse. - "A Bird In The Hoof"
-Don't blame your friends for something you could have done. - Rainbow Dash, "TT123"
-Don't let someone tell you not to be around your friends. - Rainbow Dash's lesson in "Griffon the Brush Off"
-What's good at first isn't good in the long run. - Running theme ("That's Future Spike's problem!") in "It's About Time", "Swarm of the Century"
-Tradition doesn't mean you have to do it. - "Lesson Zero"
-Friends can hang out with other friends and that doesn't make anyone bad. - Pinkie's lesson in "Griffon the Brush Off"
-Careful what you wish for. - "The Best Night Ever"
A lot of those might not be the main point of the episodes I mentioned, but they're definitely concepts that are dealt with during the show.
That leaves:
-Your friends don't have to like everything you do. - This is shown frequently- often with Dash and Fluttershy.
-Save your money. - I don't think they really want to touch this one with a ten-foot pole. Equestrian economics are there, but that's a huge can to open, and the likelihood of it containing worms approaches 100%.
-Fighting isn't an answer. (But it appears they'd rather Dragonball Z fights. Maybe Tirek will show up in the Return of Frieza movie coming up.) - Sure, there are fight scenes. But there's also every single interaction between the CMC and DT&SS that doesn't end with Diamond Tiara getting slugged in the mouf to show that it's not necessary to fight your way out of every situation.
Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:i am not ready for the transhumanist revolution to begin with my butt
Sobana wrote:If it isn't running out of morals then why did they to start change it as if there were?
Brunellus wrote:I wasn't sure where to put this.
http://blog.longreads.com/2015/01/28/fr ... mplicated/
particularly in view of the 2013 spin-off, Equestria Girls, which turned the adventurers of My Little Pony into ultra-skinny, status-obsessed high-school girls who are one thousand percent about combing hair and changing clothes.
Headless Horse wrote:Also it's saying that for all its faults, EqG is at least better than Monster High at body image/sexualization stuff.