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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:21 pm

Wonder if she ( Harshwhinny, not AJ :-P ) will appear in Season 5. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:48 pm

Wait, how could Rarity and Applejack be overdone when their dynamic was only even the focus of the show in three episodes of the whole series? Seriously, am I missing some stuff here? Sisterhooves Social, Simple Ways, and Trade Ya. That's it. Those are the only episodes where they're played off of each other in any meaningful way. Doesn't seem like it's overdone to me. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:25 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Wonder if she ( Harshwhinny, not AJ :-P ) will appear in Season 5. :pinkieshrug:


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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:26 pm

Well, I'm sold on the concept. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:28 pm

:ponder: Harshwinny does look like she could be an Apple Family member.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:29 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Wait, how could Rarity and Applejack be overdone when their dynamic was only even the focus of the show in three episodes of the whole series? Seriously, am I missing some stuff here? Sisterhooves Social, Simple Ways, and Trade Ya. That's it. Those are the only episodes where they're played off of each other in any meaningful way. Doesn't seem like it's overdone to me. :pinkieshrug:

There's also Look Before You Sleep. :v:
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:32 pm

Ah, yeah. Should have known that I'd forget something obvious. :v:

Still, that's not very much in the grand scheme of things.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:43 pm

The Doctor wrote::ponder: Harshwinny does look like she could be an Apple Family member.


First Pinkie, now Harshwhinny...is EVERY earth pony related to the Apples? :gotcha:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:11 pm

The Doctor wrote:Doctor Who Christmas special had Santa in it. Santa proves who he is by telling someone three words.

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The way he said it completely got me- I figured the three words would have been "Ho. Ho. Ho." given how sarcastic Santa was in the episode already. Good job, Dr. Who writers. :golfclop:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:10 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Wait, how could Rarity and Applejack be overdone when their dynamic was only even the focus of the show in three episodes of the whole series? Seriously, am I missing some stuff here? Sisterhooves Social, Simple Ways, and Trade Ya. That's it. Those are the only episodes where they're played off of each other in any meaningful way. Doesn't seem like it's overdone to me. :pinkieshrug:

Aside from all that and LBYS, Applejack and Rarity are just often used as the product of various incidental jokes throughout the series as well. It's an obvious combo that can generate laughs, sure, but that obviousness just makes it sort of boring as well. If there were an episode featuring them that focused on how Applejack likes fancy things but absolutely hates admitting it then that'd be nice as well, since presumably such an episode would be more serious and not just straight comedy using them.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:15 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Aside from all that and LBYS, Applejack and Rarity are just often used as the product of various incidental jokes throughout the series as well. It's an obvious combo that can generate laughs, sure, but that obviousness just makes it sort of boring as well. If there were an episode featuring them that focused on how Applejack likes fancy things but absolutely hates admitting it then that'd be nice as well, since presumably such an episode would be more serious and not just straight comedy using them.


At the end of "Simple Ways" I was kind of hoping that AJ was going to say the dress was something she made, and that getting fancied up every now and then isn't so bad.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:35 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Aside from all that and LBYS, Applejack and Rarity are just often used as the product of various incidental jokes throughout the series as well. It's an obvious combo that can generate laughs, sure, but that obviousness just makes it sort of boring as well.

AJ/Rarity have interacted in various ways (whether the focus of the episode or otherwise) from rib poking to emotional support to creative problem solving. To sum that all up as a laugh generator seems like kind of a disservice.
Fizzbuzz wrote:If there were an episode featuring them that focused on how Applejack likes fancy things but absolutely hates admitting it then that'd be nice as well, since presumably such an episode would be more serious and not just straight comedy using them.

To me this sounds pretty boring, even ignoring that it sounds like a retread of Read It and Weep.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:42 am

Strangest Letter wrote:What about when Fluttershy was hanging out with Rarity in Castle mane-ia
or the Applejack/Fluttershy conflict in Bats!
or the whole episode dedicated to Applejack and Pinkie
or Rarity and Fluttershy's self-conscious showbiz singing adventure

I mean I'm all for more variation, but I don't get the hate for some pairings being more common than others. :pinkieshrug:


I did forget about the singing one with Rarity and Fluttershy. But still, that doesn't help because that's still just Fluttershy and Rarity, then Applejack and it would be apparently the only characters she is around. I would be alright if pairings are more common, but I'd kind of like to see the rest of them first. Like:

Rarity's older sister view and Twilight's younger sister view.
Rarity doing something with Princess mannerisms with Twilight.
Rarity and Pinkie Pie plan a party, or tries to teach Pinkie how to act at a social gathering.
Rarity and Rainbow might be a tad more difficult, but maybe with something about Rarity's ways of handling stress before a contest, and Rainbow's.

There is possibility, yet why have we just seen two of five? I'd go into detail with other characters, but of course there is only one focus for I. :vogue:

Also, for Bats!, I felt that almost was Applejack/Fluttershy, but that seemed to go out the window after the song, and went to Flutterbat. As for Pinkie and Applejack, I don't remember that, except for the comic. Which ended up being bad for other reasons. But at least Friends Forever is kind of doing this, except so far it has mostly been Mane character and side character. Though at least the Rarity one looks unique, with Babs Seed. We don't see them together, they have the Manehattan connection, and that's cool. I look forward to it.

Fizzbuzz wrote:Aside from all that and LBYS, Applejack and Rarity are just often used as the product of various incidental jokes throughout the series as well. It's an obvious combo that can generate laughs, sure, but that obviousness just makes it sort of boring as well. If there were an episode featuring them that focused on how Applejack likes fancy things but absolutely hates admitting it then that'd be nice as well, since presumably such an episode would be more serious and not just straight comedy using them.


Right. And then there was Rainbow Rocks, with Applejack going after Rarity for wanting to dress up for the competition. Like, why did it have to be her again to deliver that argument, we know Rarity likes to be proper and AJ is about doing things straight so to say. We don't need to see it again. And I don't mean that as in I hate it and never want to see it again, but I'd rather see an attempt at other pairings just to see how they really play off each other.

Because when you think about it, Elements aside, why is Rarity friends with Pinkie, Rainbow and Twilight? Are they just a gang and have to stick together?
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:53 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:
First Pinkie, now Harshwhinny...is EVERY earth pony related to the Apples? :gotcha:


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Postby Sobana (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:31 am

What I would like to see is to move it from a two pairing to a three pairing. See how three would interact and bounce off one another. Oh, the possibilities...

ShieldedDiamond wrote:As for Pinkie and Applejack, I don't remember that, except for the comic.

Pinkie Apple Pie. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:59 am

Putting Your Hoof Down was technically a three pairing. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:45 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Putting Your Hoof Down was technically a three pairing. :pinkieshrug:

Twilight was a bystander for most of it, though.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:47 pm

I meant between Rarity, Pinkie and Fluttershy. Twilight was in it a little bit but nothing really major.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:09 pm

Actually, I read your post and got PYHD mixed up with the earlier discussion of LBYS. Both were episodes featuring three of the Mane Six (in unequal proportions) and both had Rarity in them. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:17 pm

Ah. Still, they're both great episodes. :v:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:45 pm

Also, Twilight didn't appear at all in PYHD. :v: :v: :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:54 pm

Oh right...could have sworn she made one appearance in the middle of the episode but I guess I was wrong. :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:45 pm

Sobana wrote:Pinkie Apple Pie. :gotcha:


Oh right, I forgot about that. Still, that unfortunately doesn't help my case with Rarity. :-/
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:49 pm

In the the December 15, 2014 episode of the Daily Show they take a look into Dick Cheney mind and see the MLP song of Unicornia playing and John Stewart comments "I didn't know he was a Brony."

Only the Unicornia is a G3 song and therefore not necessarily associated with the brony community. :v:

But I'll give him a pass because he normally tries to avoid offending minorities and probably didn't know the difference. :smirk:

Nice shout out tho. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:51 pm

I love The Daily Show, that's a pretty hilarious reference. :gotcha:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:08 pm

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Oh right, I forgot about that. Still, that unfortunately doesn't help my case with Rarity. :-/


Well maybe you shouldn't watch a show in which you only care for 1/6 of the main cast
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:15 pm

DerFurShur wrote:
Well maybe you shouldn't watch a show in which you only care for 1/6 of the main cast


First off, anyone should be able to watch any show if they only care about one character, that's ridiculous to say other wise. Second, it's not impossible that people have a favorite character that they would rather see more variety of. I mean, you're not taking me serious when I say Rarity's the only thing in existence, are you? Of course I enjoy other moments in the show. But you're seriously suggesting I can't mainly vocalize how I feel about a favorite and want to see something done differently?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:56 am

DerFurShur wrote:
Well maybe you shouldn't watch a show in which you only care for 1/6 of the main cast


Oh come on. She said nothing of the sort. You of all people should be able to sympathize with someone wanting to see more of their favorite character, or the show trying some new things with them. You want to see more stuff done with Cadance. I want to see a Celestia episode. Shielded Diamond is fortunate her favorite is part of the main cast, so she wants to see new stuff done with her. But it's all basically the same thing. Wanting to see more of your favorite character does not mean you have apathy for other characters.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:44 am

Rarity's problem is similar to Rainbow Dash's problem in that she's tightly bound to a character arc, meaning that almost all of her focus episodes involve her successes in high society and the fashion industry, just like RD's focus on the Wonderbolts. It's not the worst problem to have, since it gives her some of the most consistent development and growth, but it definitely hurts her in terms of variety in her stories.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:54 am

The Doctor wrote:You of all people should be able to sympathize with someone wanting to see more of their favorite character

I know those feels. :evil:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:09 am

A Celestia episode is pretty big on my wants for this season. :allears:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:24 pm

In the show (comics aside) they don't really show what she does. I would say a Celestia episode would be quite welcome. I mean, Luna already got Luna Eclipsed which showed her off. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:52 pm

She raises the sun and greets diplomats. What more is there to know? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:36 am

We saw a lot more of what she did in Season 1 and 2. She traveled Equestria. She would solve problems in various cities. She saved Ponyville when Twilight brainwashed everyone. We saw little bits of her personality to fill in the blanks. Saw how she doesn't mind livening the nobility up a little bit. She was just generally more active, even if it was in the background and off screen.

:pinkieshrug: Now she (and Luna) are just the damsels in distress every time trouble shows up. And I think that's terrible.
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Postby Mir (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:47 am

I wanna Pinkie/Fluttershy episode. :allears: :-P

There's plenty of ways they could play off eachother.
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Postby Cloudane (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:52 am

I do hope that the characters expand a bit, maybe a little bit like opening a box. Give the CMCs their marks, "okay now what", let Dash get into the Wonderbolts, "okay now what" etc. We're already there with Twilight - she's a princess and has a title and a castle. Now what? There will be something. People have dreams when they're young, achieve them, then find new dreams. Let's see what's next!
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:57 am

The Doctor wrote:We saw a lot more of what she did in Season 1 and 2. She traveled Equestria. She would solve problems in various cities. She saved Ponyville when Twilight brainwashed everyone. We saw little bits of her personality to fill in the blanks. Saw how she doesn't mind livening the nobility up a little bit. She was just generally more active, even if it was in the background and off screen.

:pinkieshrug: Now she (and Luna) are just the damsels in distress every time trouble shows up. And I think that's terrible.


Luna helps ponies in the dreamworld and both her and Celestia were both rushing to stop the giant ice ball in Equestria Games. :-/
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:02 am

Gonna have to add my vote in that the character who needs an episode dedicated to her the most is Celestia. There really is so much they could do with her. The Doctor is absolutely right in that relegating her to a Damsel in Distress in adventure episodes is the worst thing they can do with her. Her appearances in Lesson Zero and A Bird in the Hoof are probably my favorites. (not big into fanon, but I do like the idea of Celestia having a bit of a prankster side, as mildly touched on when she tricks Mrs Cake.)

Also, now that we've seen Applebloom dabbling in potions, I'd like to see an episode that focuses on Applebloom and Zecora.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:39 am

To be fair, I think Celestia's relative absence in S3 was because they were trying to build up princess-ness for Twilight, as well as the fact that S3 was such a short season. And in S4 apparently Nicole Oliver had been busy with something and was barely available to do lines for Celestia and Cheerilee, hence their absences.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:51 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:To be fair, I think Celestia's relative absence in S3 was because they were trying to build up princess-ness for Twilight, as well as the fact that S3 was such a short season. And in S4 apparently Nicole Oliver had been busy with something and was barely available to do lines for Celestia and Cheerilee, hence their absences.


I don't buy the "Nichole Oliver was busy..." reasoning, just based on her other work not affecting her presence in Littlest pet Shop.
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