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Re: Offseason General Show Chat

Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:28 am

Even if they do use mythological creatures, how many times have you seen a creature like a Windigo in a cartoon before?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:12 pm

Their tendency to use more obscure mythological creatures (even from the start, what with Fluttershy and the manticore) is something I've always appreciated about FiM. It's that sort of effort that lets you know that the show's creators give a shit about what they're doing.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:49 pm

Yeah, I love the fact that they're giving more time to obscure creatures. I'd really love to see a The Odyessy episode. :allears:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:31 pm

I would like to see Zecora vs. Baba Yaga in a big forest battle.

Meanwhile, one of Rarity's parasols turns into a Japanese umbrella monster and she completely flips out.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:40 pm

Manbearpig would be nice to see too. :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:00 pm

We can always have Pikachu make an appearance. :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:16 pm

Then Episode 100 is the Cameo Episode, where every cameo possible is crammed in, and the main characters are reduced to background roles.

Please don't really do this.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:20 pm

I think that the 100th episode is going to do something like that with most or all the various bit characters and/or background ponies that have appeared in the series so far. That was one of the things that came out of SDCC, so we'll have to wait and see how true it ends up being.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:31 pm

Oh, right. I forgot about that. I don't think I like that idea very much, but since it's a one episode thing, I probably won't care much.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:36 pm

Well, if done right, it could be a really fun episode...I'm sure Ponyville has enough interesting characters to hold an episode.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:49 am

I like how they redesigned certain mythical creatures like how griffons are an actual race with a culture and empire instead of just mindless beasts like so many other times they were used.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:12 am

Sobana wrote:I like how they redesigned certain mythical creatures like how griffons are an actual race with a culture and empire instead of just mindless beasts like so many other times they were used.


Similar to how there was really only the one Pegasus in Greek myth- they took that to an entire Greek-inspired mini-culture inside Equestria.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:35 am

I'd still like to know what makes the difference between the intelligent races and the ones that aren't. Or where they are exactly.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:29 am

An intelligent race in a fantasy setting is one which has a language and can reason. One that has a culture with customs and traditions. That can use tools and build. And least of all be able to compete with other organized societies.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:36 am

Speaking of that, what are the odds of seeing a sphinx in MLP?
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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:09 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I'd still like to know what makes the difference between the intelligent races and the ones that aren't. Or where they are exactly.


I think the general rule was that anything with four hooves was intelligent. Look long enough and you'll find exceptions, but that's probably close to right. (Griffins don't have 4 hooves and are intelligent, pigs do but aren't, etc.)
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:50 am

But things without hooves are intelligent as well like diamond dogs and especially changelings.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:23 am

And we still aren't clear as to whether or not pigs are sentient. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:59 am

They haven't talked yet so no. Not that ponies have any reason to keep pigs around.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:14 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:And we still aren't clear as to whether or not pigs are sentient. :pinkieshrug:

Considering how many times we've seen them acting like pigs and not people (hell, One Bad Apple literally had pigs wallowing in mud by a pond), I think the answer to this is definitely "no." Interestingly, deer also seem to fall in this category, considering that they were being sold as pets in Filli Vanilli.

A better question might be to ask about the intelligence of Equestrian goats. Going by what we've seen in the show and the comics, it seems like they're only just smart enough to be bossed around by the bovine races (that is to say, minotaurs and cattle). They don't seem to be able to talk, either, at least not in any way that we could understand.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:19 pm

Ah, the goats fall into a interesting cross area...I think that they are sentient but I feel that they have their own language.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:01 pm

Wylie wrote:
I think the general rule was that anything with four hooves was intelligent. Look long enough and you'll find exceptions, but that's probably close to right. (Griffins don't have 4 hooves and are intelligent, pigs do but aren't, etc.)


Well then there were dragons though, doing their own dragon shenanigans.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:44 am

They have a weird level of intelligence like that of pokemon.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:24 am

I thought Mewtwo was the only Pokemon who could talk.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:34 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I thought Mewtwo was the only Pokemon who could talk.


Meowth talks in like every single episode.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:57 am

Octavia wrote:
Meowth talks in like every single episode.


I forgot about Meowth. Besides, all the other Meowths can't talk.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:13 am

I'm pretty sure a fair amount of Psychic types can communicate with humans via telepathy as well.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:16 am

But I still fail to see how any of that relates to levels of intelligence in Pony.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:25 am

Sobana wrote:They have a weird level of intelligence like that of pokemon.


Yeah, remember the Island of Giant Pokémon episode? They all communicated with each other.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:41 pm

The thing is, we've never seen goats talk beyond that one scene where Iron Will huddled up with them, and even then the goats did not audibly speak. Perhaps they're only about as smart as Angel and the other pets.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:24 pm

Perhaps Minotaurs (or Iron Will specifically) get a racial ability to speak to other (two-)horned animals.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:22 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Their tendency to use more obscure mythological creatures (even from the start, what with Fluttershy and the manticore) is something I've always appreciated about FiM. It's that sort of effort that lets you know that the show's creators give a shit about what they're doing.


S5E10: Spike and the Terrible, Horrible, No-Good, Very-Bad Boggart - Unexplainiable problems persistently happen in the Magic Tree Castle while Twilight's away on business.

S6E21: Kokopelli Strikes Back - Rainy weather patterns get so out of control that the pegasi weather team can't keep up. AJ must appeal to a mystical trickster god of agriculture that's not Discord.

S9E3: Jersey Devil Wears Prada - Something's been stealing Rarity's outfits and destroying them in the nearby Everfree Forest! Turns out a horrendously disgusting monster with gnarled antlers just wants to be pretty.

S13E6: Duster Buster - A rehash of Swarm of the Century, but with dust bunnies.
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:05 pm

The intelligibility of a language is not a measure of the speaker's intelligence. However, it is still possible to make that other argument, on account of this being a fictional universe created by anglophones who more than likely follow their own perceived rules of intelligence and language intelligibility, rather than that of nature's. Thus, in this context, the question of a character's intelligence should boil down to whether the creators would've defined them as intelligent, rather than assuming there are underlying in-universe rules that allow such facts to be reliably—
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:30 pm

Davyinatoga wrote:S9E3: Jersey Devil Wears Prada - Something's been stealing Rarity's outfits and destroying them in the nearby Everfree Forest! Turns out a horrendously disgusting monster with gnarled antlers just wants to be pretty.

That reminds me, I wonder how Steven Magnet is doing these days. I like to think he still gets visitors. :vogue:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:37 pm

It'd be great if he made a cameo appearance sometimes later on in the show.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:44 pm

I guess he and Gilda are the characters who have had the longest absence from the show, aren't they? I mean, even Nightmare Moon showed up in a flashback in PTS.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:48 pm

Yeah, I think he's been absent the longest, ever since Episode 2. That was 3 years ago now... :starity:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:54 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I guess he and Gilda are the characters who have had the longest absence from the show, aren't they? I mean, even Nightmare Moon showed up in a flashback in PTS.

Gilda was in Equestria Games. Sort of.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:01 pm

Speaking of Greek mythology, imagine if Eris exists in Equestria :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:13 pm

Eris VS Discord. I would pay good money to see that. :v:
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