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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:46 am

But MCC would have worked perfectly as a series finale with no changes to it. While there are always more stories to tell, I don't believe MCC was made with a guarantee of them being told.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:18 am

The Doctor wrote:But MCC would have worked perfectly as a series finale with no changes to it. While there are always more stories to tell, I don't believe MCC was made with a guarantee of them being told.


the whole season is like that. Multiple character arcs were advanced enough to stand as satisfying conclusions, but left open ended enough for the possibility of future seasons.


Cutie Mark Crusaders
S3 arc progression= The CMC recruited Babs Seed, ensuring that their club would expand
Future character development= they didn't get their cutie marks in S3, maybe S4.

Trixie
S3 arc progression= returned more powerful than ever, and redeemed in the end
Future character development= her redemption leaves her open to return as an ally. Fangams galore as Trixie and Twilight team up for 22 minutes of awesomeness.


Rainbow Dash
S3 arc progression=She got her Wonderbolts tryout, and did great. She could very well become a Wonderbolt someday.
Future character development= We always wondered why they didn't outright make her a Bolt. S4 is why. Now we can get a Dash episode where she fills in for Spitfire.

Scooter Lou
S3 arc progression= Scoots finally got her episode, and Dash is her mentor.
Future character development= we've got to get an episode where she learns to fly.

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S3 arc progression=brought back, flexes his chaos muscle, and befriends Fluttershy
Future character development= like Trixie, he can now be brought back in new and exciting ways. Celestia seems to have plans as well.

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S3 arc progression= TCE got the games
Future character development= S4 could show us the games

Toilet Sprinkle
S3 arc progression= became printest
Future character development= printest stuff, and preening
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:28 am

GC13 wrote:Of course, there are shows that have ended on cliffhangers even though they didn't expect to get renewed for another season, so there's that possibility. :-/

Clone High. :gonkity:
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Postby Grue (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:09 am

Stuff wrote:Okay, so it's a DVD, huh? Who's going to purchase it for the eventual ponyday stream? :allears: I think it should be Grue. He does seem like he's the biggest fan of the movie. :iamapony:


Oh noes, I've been found out! :applejargh:

Seriously though, I hope the Hub airs it too. For delicious 1080p HD quality of course :-P
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Postby Principal Celestia (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:16 am

Well, they probably will air it, but then there's things like good ratings encouraging another pony show.

Basically, we could end up with another All Grown Up. An idea that was only good as a one off idea and should of really stayed as that one off idea. As a DVD sold with select dolls and junk, we'd be happy as clams blowing up a chowder factory. Unless it's actually good.

:gonkity: Oh please be actually good.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:53 am

It's 66 minutes long, meaning it's length has been formatted for commercials breaks over a 90 minute block. There is a legitimate argument that it won't air on TV, if the basis for that argument is that EQG doesn't appear on The Hub's programming schedule through Winter 2014, but then again this is a non prime time made for TV movie, so it may not have been important enough to mention. If they want to give this real publicity, and get their new IP off on a strong footing, then they'll air it on TV and release it on DVD shortly after.
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Postby Principal Celestia (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:02 am

EquestriaGuy wrote:It's 66 minutes long, meaning it's length has been formatted for commercials breaks over a 90 minute block. There is a legitimate argument that it won't air on TV, if the basis for that argument is that EQG doesn't appear on The Hub's programming schedule through Winter 2014, but then again this is a non prime time made for TV movie, so it may not have been important enough to mention. If they want to give this real publicity, and get their new IP off on a strong footing, then they'll air it on TV and release it on DVD shortly after.


And thus will come our summer of discontent.

I really hope it's decent/hilariously and exploitably terrible

It's one thing to edit pony RD to say 'poop', it's another to make dresses-in-style human Dash to do it.

Edit: \/ That too, but considering the funny edits, animation, and comics made in mockery of the very idea, I can hope for one or the other.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:17 am

Or you could hope it's fantastic.....
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:15 am

Things are moving very interestingly :ponder:

EqG DVD only? Wootie being replaced? Morrow returning either for second half of S4 or for S5?

EqG DVD does make me happy because it could be like the Star Wars Holiday special of MLP :horse:

Wootie being shifted to another project kinda worries me. He does a lot of the custom flash animation (which i guess are a lot of the animation that is not recyclable, i.e. the facial expressions.) and was the director/co director of many episodes. But also, i like to think new blood (the recently promoted) could be good for the series

Morrow was decent in S3 but nowhere as good as back in S2 (Sisterhooves, especially) but it is nice to see her return eventually.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:28 am

Looking at Cindy Morrow's LinkedIn profile, she started writing for Nickelodeon past January. What show, it's not specified.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:34 am

Mr. Big wrote:Looking at Cindy Morrow's LinkedIn profile, she started writing for Nickelodeon past January. What show, it's not specified.


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No? :ponder:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:38 am

Could be! Cindy has done storyboards before, so it's possible for her to work on that show. She could also be writing for "Fairly OddParents", "TUFF Puppy", and whatever else Nick's doing that I'm out of loop on.

When I visited Nicktoons Studio last month, I signed a guest book and saw that Natasha Levinger visited just a day before I was there. I wonder who she talked to...
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Postby Jyu (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:02 am

With Wootie leaving, I hope the show's quality doesn't decrease in anyway, but having a new director could lead to some fresh new surprises. It's also good that Big Jim is the new co-director instead of just some random guy who has never worked on the show before.
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Postby Jyu (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:28 pm

Nissl wrote:More success-driven staff moves. Glad to hear about the promotions, obviously, although this is starting to look like a significant shakeup on the DHX side of things. Does anyone know who might be taking over for Big Jim as storyboard supervisor?


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Here's his Linkedin page if anybody wants to cheek it out http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id ... e_map-name
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:29 pm

My Little Pony *IV*... I like :smirk:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:49 pm

He was storyboard director for Monster High. Dun dun dunnnnn...

Also, Studio B was involved in a new George of the Jungle cartoon six years ago. :bluh:
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Postby Grue (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:57 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Also, Studio B was involved in a new George of the Jungle cartoon six years ago. :bluh:


Yes, and Jayson Thiessen was animation director on it!
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:13 pm

I remember when Cartoon Brew lambasted it years ago. Jayson Thiessen showed up in the comments, doing his darnedest to defend the show.
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Postby Jupiter (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:31 pm

I thought it was an OK show, though the voice got grating pretty fast (sorry Tockar).
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:41 pm

Lee Tockar happens to voice the many most annoying characters, imo

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Freakin' Bibble :applejargh:
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:05 pm

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EqG DVD only?


That doesn't mean just one DVD. It could easily be a DVD series, like the straight-to-DVD Barbie movies/Monster High/Bratz movies. I kind of doubt it won't be a full TV series at this point though.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:15 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Lee Tockar happens to voice the many most annoying characters, imo

img]http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13400000/Bibble-and-stone-of-Dizzle-barbie-fairies-13480148-720-576.jpg[/img]

Freakin' Bibble :applejargh:

You, uh, you might want to rehost that image there.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:17 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:
AppleCobbler44 wrote:Lee Tockar happens to voice the many most annoying characters, imo

img]http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13400000/Bibble-and-stone-of-Dizzle-barbie-fairies-13480148-720-576.jpg[/img]

Freakin' Bibble :applejargh:

You, uh, you might want to rehost that image there.


:sigh: I wish the iPad had a 'Copy img URL' feature :notgonnadoit: And it isnt working atm.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:24 am

Mr. Big wrote:I remember when Cartoon Brew lambasted it years ago. Jayson Thiessen showed up in the comments, doing his darnedest to defend the show.

He must have been worried that it might be the closest thing to a non-sucky show he would ever work on. Ah, hindsight.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:48 am

I could hardly sit through that "George of the Jungle" revival. Nothing will ever beat the original sixties show.

And it didn't have "Super Chicken"! :rainbert:
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Postby Durandal (?) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:34 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:My Little Pony *IV*... I like :smirk:


My Little Pony: Episode IV -- A New Hope
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Postby Principal Celestia (?) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:46 pm

My Little Pony IV: The Voyage Home
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:49 pm

Principal Celestia wrote:My Little Pony IV: The Voyage Home


They have to travel back in time to 1986 G1 to seek the aid of the currently extinct Humpback Whales Seaponies, for they are the only ones who can stop the random-ass space probe villain of the week.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:48 pm

My Little Pony IV: Journey Through the Mi—NO NO NO :flipout:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:43 pm

Principal Celestia wrote:My Little Pony IV: The Voyage Home


:excite: Computer! Computer?

:spike101: use this microphone

:excite: Hello, computer.

:iamapony: Just use the keyboard.

:ponynet: Keyboard. How quaint.
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Postby Nissl (?) » Thu May 02, 2013 5:47 pm

Oops, looks like I forgot about Hasbro's report for the first quarter of 2013 last week. Good news, although nothing too exciting. MLP grew more than 30% year over year, which is a moderate deceleration from the 50% average it posted over 2012 but obviously still very good. MLP paced the Girls category to 26% growth, which in combination with growth in the Games category (mostly from MtG) managed to barely offset a big decline in the Boys category due to weakness in Beyblade and Star Wars compared to last year. As a result, Hasbro overall saw 2% annual revenue growth and 47% operating profit growth minus restructuring costs.

One thing I found interesting is that LPS didn't demonstrate any growth despite show support and an apparently popular companion app. I'm guessing Hub's viewership is just too low to provide a meaningful push when there isn't a massive internet presence supporting it. I wonder if Hasbro's experience with LPS might help to explain why they haven't done anything to the S3 videos that are all over Youtube.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Thu May 02, 2013 6:46 pm

Well Youtube is owned by Google, which has Google Play. Google Play has MLP S1 and 2 up there, which is why they go after S1 and 2, and not 3. Once S3 goes up there, if it hasn't already, youtube will probably go after those episodes as well.
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Postby Nissl (?) » Thu May 02, 2013 10:23 pm

Before Google put the ContentID bot up, though, there were 3-4 manual sweeps from Hasbro that took out most of the original channels. I haven't seen any in a very long time.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Sat May 04, 2013 1:30 am

Nissl wrote:Oops, looks like I forgot about Hasbro's report for the first quarter of 2013 last week. Good news, although nothing too exciting. MLP grew more than 30% year over year, which is a moderate deceleration from the 50% average it posted over 2012 but obviously still very good. MLP paced the Girls category to 26% growth, which in combination with growth in the Games category (mostly from MtG) managed to barely offset a big decline in the Boys category due to weakness in Beyblade and Star Wars compared to last year. As a result, Hasbro overall saw 2% annual revenue growth and 47% operating profit growth minus restructuring costs.

One thing I found interesting is that LPS didn't demonstrate any growth despite show support and an apparently popular companion app. I'm guessing Hub's viewership is just too low to provide a meaningful push when there isn't a massive internet presence supporting it. I wonder if Hasbro's experience with LPS might help to explain why they haven't done anything to the S3 videos that are all over Youtube.


That's a very possible reason, but there's also the issue of just how insanely pushed pony is at the moment. Putting aside the show, there's comics, trading cards, plenty of books, and of course, the word of mouth from the Internet. Hasbro knows pony is big news, and they're determined to ride the wave as long as they can. LPS, on the other hand, is just sort of hanging around in the background, still popular but with nowhere near the presence necessary to make it a giant worth marketing into the ground.

Plus, MLP is one of those franchises that has managed to worm its way into the popular consciousness. You may have never seen an episode of the show or even the toys, but you have an idea of what they are simply by listening to the conversations around you and seeing the topic brought up like it's completely natural. The same is true of things like Transformers, Pokemon, and most Disney characters. LPS is also a long-running franchise, but has never reached that same threshold, and despite the Hub's best efforts to market the new series (even pulling some of the same talent from FiM), it hasn't paid off anywhere near as well with the older audience. It has fans, sure, but it doesn't have the same perfect set of variables that made FiM such a big hit.

So really, it makes sense that the franchise that's doing big and is getting pushed heavily is doing so well, while the other is just hanging in there.
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Postby drunkill (?) » Sat May 04, 2013 3:18 pm

EquestriaGuy wrote:Well Youtube is owned by Google, which has Google Play. Google Play has MLP S1 and 2 up there, which is why they go after S1 and 2, and not 3. Once S3 goes up there, if it hasn't already, youtube will probably go after those episodes as well.


Season 1 & 2 episodes are only blocked in the USA. Episodes are still up on youtube and can be seen in other countries.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat May 04, 2013 4:44 pm

Which is because the Google Play episodes are only available in the US, IIRC.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Sat May 04, 2013 5:54 pm

I could only guess, but I think that's probably correct.
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Postby Nissl (?) » Sun May 05, 2013 12:32 pm

Nissl wrote: I haven't seen any in a very long time.


Of course, as soon as I say that we get what sure looks like another pretty big wave of manual takedowns. Hi, Hasbro?

Nah... it's probably just a coincidence.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 17, 2013 4:09 pm

Something I just heard: Apparently Sibsy is thinking of leaving this show.
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Obviously it's nowhere close to set in stone yet, but it's something.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Fri May 17, 2013 4:28 pm

As much as we love Sibsy's storyboarding, nobody can stay on one cartoon forever. Everybody has to move on eventually. Sad but true :pinkieshrug:
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