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Re: How Pony is Formed: Production and Business Thread

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:51 am

Do we have evidence that kids are actually abandoning FiM as they grow into their preteen years? Given how appealing this show has been to everyone, I don't think they'd have any particular reason to leave beyond the cultural assumption of teenage rebellion, something which is most certainly not guaranteed.
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Postby Grue (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:35 pm

Grue wrote:I haven't seen this discussed, but apparently CEO (and founder) of Hub, Margaret Loesch is stepping down at the end of the year. I find the timing rather suspicious, seeing as season 5 is slated for 2015 and definitely not fall 2014. What if the Hub is shut down and they air it on another channel, if at all?


Also, I just remembered the fact that LPS season 3 started right after season 2 ended, instead of in the Fall, like usual. So it definitely doesn't cross into 2015. In fact, I don't know any announced Hub shows that are crossing from 2014 to 2015. Very peculiar, isn't it? I think I might be onto something here.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:00 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Do we have evidence that kids are actually abandoning FiM as they grow into their preteen years? Given how appealing this show has been to everyone, I don't think they'd have any particular reason to leave beyond the cultural assumption of teenage rebellion, something which is most certainly not guaranteed.


I was just making an educated guess, on how a company like Hasbro would view charts and such, and what they do.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:20 pm

@Grue: The main problem with that little theory. The new Transformers toon airs on the HUB in SPRING 2015. So yea, HUBs not going anywhere till at least 2016 if at all.

Anywho, we don't know what will happen to the HUB or pony after season 5, but no point in worrying about anything right now. As the old saying goes..."Yesterday is history, tommorow is a mystery, but today is a gift, that's why it's called the present." :party:
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Postby Grue (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:48 pm

Oh, finally, real Transformers (Rescue Bots don't count). Looks like MLP might get some competition in the ratings. Transformers Prime was reportedly beating MLP back in seasons 1-2 but we never got the actual numbers every week like we do now.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:15 pm

Transformers Prime did beat out MLP for a few awards. :-I
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:51 am

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Figures. I thought these were supposed to be discontinued :-/


They are, it was in this very thread a few pages ago.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:39 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Do we have evidence that kids are actually abandoning FiM as they grow into their preteen years? Given how appealing this show has been to everyone, I don't think they'd have any particular reason to leave beyond the cultural assumption of teenage rebellion, something which is most certainly not guaranteed.

It just seems the pattern they normally go with each series. They run the show for about a year, cut it off, then reboot it a decade later...

Grue wrote:Oh, finally, real Transformers (Rescue Bots don't count). Looks like MLP might get some competition in the ratings. Transformers Prime was reportedly beating MLP back in seasons 1-2 but we never got the actual numbers every week like we do now.

I am highly skeptical of that claim...
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:49 am

Sobana wrote:I am highly skeptical of that claim...


Here's one of the sources for what I said earlier. It also won Emmys in 2012, and 2013. If we're measuring shows for what awards were won, in addition to ratings and such, in that sense, Transformers Prime did do a better job than My Little Pony, despite the fact that it has ended, where MLP is still going.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:59 am

ShieldedD. iamond wrote:
Here's one of the sources for what I said earlier. It also won Emmys in 2012, and 2013. If we're measuring shows for what awards were won, in addition to ratings and such, in that sense, Transformers Prime did do a better job than My Little Pony, despite the fact that it has ended, where MLP is still going.

I see it yet I am still in disbelief that MLP didn't even get nominated in any category. Your telling me Toot & Puddle did better then FiM? I think the hub could only put up one show so they went with Prime. Prime wasn't even their most fan demanded show...
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:35 am

Well, FiM did win a handful of 'Best Animated Show' awards... On internet fan sites :gotcha: where- let's be honest, it's just a popularity contest and most voters just saw a tiiiiiiny teeeeeny bit of the other nominations so it's not exactly 'fair'.

But FiM did win the Leo Awards :amazing: Best Sound Design for Power Ponies ( :rariwhat: ) and Best Music Production for Pinkie Pride... Though the Leo Awards only take in submissions from the Vancouver area hence the laughably weak competition so in a way it's not exactly a big win compared to the Emmys or whatever.
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That said however, whether FiM deserves an Emmy or not is an possibly interesting discussion though probably more because I happen to think that it might not deserve one...

I'd like to get to why and my views but I dont think I can type this atm (family trip, on my tablet 'stead of laptop with an actual keyboard). Despite that I'm curious to hear people explain why FiM should get one because most reasons I come across seem to be worded more or less like:

"FiM is the greatest show in years. It has outstanding characters, the animation is great, and the stories are so excellently written."

While I disagree with most of that, i still would like to hear people's thoughts here and maybe expand more on that.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:17 am

Alright, let's take the short cut then. What did Prime do to deserve an Emmy over FiM?

Because if memory serves me, didn't FiM get second highest ratings in TV history?
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:38 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Well, FiM did win a handful of 'Best Animated Show' awards... On internet fan sites :gotcha: where- let's be honest, it's just a popularity contest and most voters just saw a tiiiiiiny teeeeeny bit of the other nominations so it's not exactly 'fair'.

But FiM did win the Leo Awards :amazing: Best Sound Design for Power Ponies ( :rariwhat: ) and Best Music Production for Pinkie Pride... Though the Leo Awards only take in submissions from the Vancouver area hence the laughably weak competition so in a way it's not exactly a big win compared to the Emmys or whatever.
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That said however, whether FiM deserves an Emmy or not is an possibly interesting discussion though probably more because I happen to think that it might not deserve one...

I'd like to get to why and my views but I dont think I can type this atm (family trip, on my tablet 'stead of laptop with an actual keyboard). Despite that I'm curious to hear people explain why FiM should get one because most reasons I come across seem to be worded more or less like:

"FiM is the greatest show in years. It has outstanding characters, the animation is great, and the stories are so excellently written."

While I disagree with most of that, i still would like to hear people's thoughts here and maybe expand more on that.
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Because it has had an effect. It has changed lives. And I think it has changed the industry.

Nobody has ever seriously said Star Wars is the best movie ever made, according to objective standards of quality and artistic integrity of whatever. But if you polled 100 people for their favorite flick or or did a word-association with "movie" you would probably get 80 responses of "Star Wars".

Emotional attachment has little to do with objective quality. But once that attachment is in place, we will want to recognize the quality of certain aspects of it, even if they're not far-and-away better than the next thing on the next channel. That's what they give awards for, after all. "Best Sound Design" is basically a way of saying "holy fuck can we please give this show an award for something?"
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:57 am

Interesting points, Headless :smirk: (hopefully i dont forget to reply to this in detail by Saturday)

In any case, MLP was nominated for an Emmy in music or song but lost to that Madagascar spin off show with the penguins or something. At least it's something and definitely at the very least FiM should get a nomination for songs
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:39 pm

Sobana wrote:Prime wasn't even their most fan demanded show...


On one hand, you have a fanbase that's been around for 30 years, multiple forums, several TV shows, and 3 movies with a 4th coming out, one of the 3 films being one of the top grossing films in history, and they're not even well-received critically. Then, you have this, which most people don't think of the rest of the "pony community", being G3 and prior, people just relate this to FiM. I'm not saying either one is better, but I am saying this to make the point that the Transformer fandom is rather large, and as a result, it's not like My Little Pony is the only important thing to them. There are other large fandoms based on other things of theirs, too.

Sobana wrote:Alright, let's take the short cut then. What did Prime do to deserve an Emmy over FiM?

Because if memory serves me, didn't FiM get second highest ratings in TV history?


What. :-I

I'm sorry, do you have a source for this?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:57 pm

@Sobana: No that's incorrect. MLP was HUBs second most watched program behind TF:Prime, before eventually beating it out and becoming the most watched show on THE HUB. MLPS highest ratings have been in the 700,000. That's. NOT EVEN CLOSE to second highest ratings in TV history. Not even close. Highest on HUB yes TV as a whole...no no no no no.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:11 am

I just don't see what other shows could offer that could top the quality of ponies...

On one hand, you have a fanbase that's been around for 30 years, multiple forums, several TV shows, and 3 movies with a 4th coming out, one of the 3 films being one of the top grossing films in history, and they're not even well-received critically. Then, you have this, which most people don't think of the rest of the "pony community", being G3 and prior, people just relate this to FiM. I'm not saying either one is better, but I am saying this to make the point that the Transformer fandom is rather large, and as a result, it's not like My Little Pony is the only important thing to them. There are other large fandoms based on other things of theirs, too.

Of course, of course, but in their 2013 report pony was the only one were they said "Hey, look how much money this made!" Pony seems to be their new big trendy thing. Transfromers has been around for a while and has got like some 300 licensing labels whereas pony only has like 30 so far... I'm sure in about 30 years FiM will be making big movies too...

Didn't pony comics beat out X-men's new series in pre-release sales?

SoundMonkey44 wrote:@Sobana: No that's incorrect. MLP was HUBs second most watched program behind TF:Prime, before eventually beating it out and becoming the most watched show on THE HUB. MLPS highest ratings have been in the 700,000. That's. NOT EVEN CLOSE to second highest ratings in TV history. Not even close. Highest on HUB yes TV as a whole...no no no no no.

Ah, that must of been what it was...
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:17 am

Sobana wrote:I just don't see what other shows could offer that could top the quality of ponies...


There are a number of shows that are just flat out better then Friendship is Magic.

I get it, you like the show, nothing wrong with that. But there's being a fan and there's just being delusional. I mean, you seem dead set on convincing yourself and the people here that this is the greatest show ever made. It's not.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:43 am

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There are a number of shows that are just flat out better then Friendship is Magic.

I get it, you like the show, nothing wrong with that. But there's being a fan and there's just being delusional. I mean, you seem dead set on convincing yourself and the people here that this is the greatest show ever made. It's not.

Alright, I'll admit that I might be slighted blinded by my interest in the show. But humor me, in your option what current cartoon is better then ponies?
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:52 am

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There are a number of shows that are just flat out better then Friendship is Magic.

I get it, you like the show, nothing wrong with that. But there's being a fan and there's just being delusional. I mean, you seem dead set on convincing yourself and the people here that this is the greatest show ever made. It's not.


There's a difference between thinking the show is special for possibly misguided reasons (does it matter?) and being purposely abrasive to drag people down into a negative zone.

FiM gives me a unique experience. I don't typically enjoy many TV shows, cartoons or live-action shows, but Ponies are fun to watch and talk about. They're ceaselessly optimistic and have the right balance of all these elements that make a sum greater than its parts, and it's gotten me to watch and learn about other things a bit. Is Transformers Prime more technically competent, carefully crafted, exciting, consistent, and powerfully emotional than Pony? Absolutely. Does any of that have any bearing on the enjoyability of the work? Probably, but not absolutely. Is every piece of entertainment a special snowflake? Possibly, I don't know. What I do know is that I really like Ponies, and I don't care about any other shows at all, really. I watch Adventure Time constantly and laugh my ass off every episode, but don't care about it one bit. Pony makes me care, it does something nebulous that I can't describe that makes me feel it's worth my time, and I think that's the most important thing of all.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:55 am

Sobana wrote:in your option what current cartoon is better then ponies?



Gravity Falls.

As far as older stuff goes, Avatar: The Last Airbender is pretty much the best there is.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:26 am

Sobana wrote:I just don't see what other shows could offer that could top the quality of ponies...



You don't watch much toons, do you? :cheese:

But y'know, I get it. I myself had that mindset of "what other show could top FiM's writing, characters, aesthetics, and so on?" all the way back in February 2012. Until late 2013, all I watched, read, and cared about was MLP: FiM, the comics, the crew/staff, and everything else. I couldn't imagine me ever giving up on FiM. Even in front of my peers and others, I would say that there was nothing in the world that was ever going to make me stop loving FiM.
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And then Season 4 happened :gonkity:

Well, there were other reasons outside of that (i.e. the fandom's deteriorating state) but for the most part Season 4 didnt just leave a bad taste in my mouth, it also destroyed any interest I had relating to anything :ponydrugs: -related. I didn't want to talk about it (discussing the episodes), I didn't want to rewatch any of the episodes, hell, I didn't even want to rewatch Season 1 which happens to be my favourite season. Even now, 2 months after S4's finale, I still want to stay as far away from FiM or a ponies related (except the forums of course).

I'm not saying that I hope fans of the show will 'one day see the light and renounce it so they may see better shows' and I hope none of you will go through something like I did because the feeling of having something you once loved become something you dislike is a horrible, horrible feeling. However, what I hope is that no one becomes as obsessed as I was and perhaps maybe people should widen their horizons aka

Watch.more.shows :flail:

And while I like to believe most fans at least watch more than one or two current cartoons (and honestly this may be the best time to be watching cartoons in decades since there's so much to offer), I have seen fans of FiM who only watch FiM and that's it (of course, it's not just an exclusive thing in the Brony fandom). And for the most part that's not necessarily a problem but it's not just me who had this issue but others have had issues with the show yet go: "But what else is there to watch? MLP is, like, the best show atm." despite admitting that they haven't tried other shows.

Sure, I watched Gravity Falls and a few other shows in 2012 but I was so obsessed with FiM and FiM only that I neglected the other shows' true qualities and only recently when I rewatched Gravity Falls did I realize how much of a comedic gold it is.
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But like i said, there's a world of legitimately good toons out there :-D It's a great time for shows now and there's an insane back catalogue of shows to watch that have ended. And the future looks bright still. Ever since late 2013 I've begun watching current and old shows like my favourite new show, Wander Over Yonder and other shows like Gravity Falls (rewatched), Legend of Korra, Rick And Morty, Samurai Jack,The Mickey Mouse Shorts, Steven Universe, Kick Buttowski, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, and much more and they helped in cushioning the damage FiM S4 inflicted on me. And outside of them acting as cushions, the shows have been very fun to watch or at least felt fresh.

So all I'm saying is that while you may not experience the same issues i went through, wouldn't it be nice and perhaps fun to experience something new and different?... Unless you have tried but gave up/didn't like what was being offered so maybe I just wasted all this time in the end
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:33 am

Applecobbler, watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. You're already watching Korra. :twonk:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:42 am

Tailspin wrote:Applecobbler, watch Avatar: The Last Airbender. You're already watching Korra. :twonk:


I would... If I brought my laptop here :twonk:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:31 am

Alright, I'll go check out Gravity Falls and Transformer Prime. Prime is more emotional the FiM? While I reserve doubts, I will give them an honest try and give my thoughts on them...
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:05 pm

Outlander has this argument well in hand, but just to echo it: the thesis isn't that FiM is the best cartoon ever made. It's that it excels in that particular key area that is at the heart of any product with which people form strong attachments: surprise and delight. It does things nobody was expecting with its source material, and it exhibits a level of effort and care and investment by its creators that far exceeds what was "necessary".

Let's not lose sight of this: MLP:FiM is a show for eight-year-olds. It's the direct successor to shows that pull shit like "You must learn the special royal wave of the magic wand in order to be a true princess". We all assumed that it would be more of the same, and instead in the first episode we get Twilight pouring herself a drink at a party from a bottle in her mouth.

AppleCobbler44 wrote: Watch.more.shows :flail:


I like to consider myself an animation enthusiast. I have been since the early 90s, and when I was a kid in the 80s I paid more attention to cartoons than I probably should have. And you can freely list off shows like Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Avatar: TLA, Rick and Morty, Adventure Time, and a dozen others that I've watched at least in part, and I will happily agree with you that they are well-made, funny, perfectly competent cartoons. But they're not shows that I'm about to get emotionally invested in. Largely that's because I'm not expecting anything special from them. They set out to be cartoons for teens and young adults, and that's exactly what they are. Their audiences expect a level of technical competence, and technical competence is what they deliver. Sure, their writing is generally tighter than Pony's is; that's one area in which Pony has always been a little weak (relative to shows in a category it was never intended to be a part of). Sure, they often have stunning animation. But that animation is usually ugly. It's typically inventive and funny rather than beautiful to look at; and while I have endless respect for inventive funny animation, it's old hat for me; it's what I expect out of a cartoon. I would say that the best animated shows that I've ever seen are things like Samurai Jack and Batman: TAS; but even these have their glaring weaknesses, such as (in Jack's case) a tiresomely formulaic structure and a story that simply doesn't go anywhere. And while I love a McCracken show as much as the next guy, I am simply not impressed anymore by the McCracken/Hanna-Barbera animation formula of "move the head between three predefined freeze positions and then move the mouth ridiculously smoothly all by itself" that was cool on Aku and Bloo but now just looks as much like fatty comfort food as the umpteenth reboot of Scooby-Doo.

People want different things out of their cartoons, is the upshot of all this. If I want a competent animated series with funny writing and pretty good if derivative animation, I am indeed spoiled for choice; I'll happily throw on some Gravity Falls or Avatar or Foster's. If I want something edgy and unpredictable and interesting with animation that pushes the boundaries of what I consider watchable but makes it worthwhile through its sheer creativity, I'll go for some Rick and Morty or some Adventure Time—or hell, I'll watch King Star King, which just dropped a full series, holy shit :flail: . If I want something atmospheric and stirring but ultimately meaningless, it's Samurai Jack. If I want adult comedy, there's Drawn Together, South Park, Mission Hill, Home Movies—stuff where the animation even more thoroughly goes for stylization and fun rather than attractiveness. There is absolutely no shortage of great stuff to watch, if what you want to watch is what those shows offer.

But Pony offers things that no other show offers, perhaps that no other show ever seriously has offered. I've never seen a TV cartoon try so hard to be beautiful. I've never seen a show take a premise that's engineered for pre-teens with the attention spans of grasshoppers and write intricate season-spanning character arcs, flawed though they might be—instead of simply throwing gag after gag onto the screen in a disjointed stream of consciousness. I've never seen a show put so much work into making its characters rich and deep and genuinely lovable, rather than simply caricatures and cutouts from a sentence-long character description scrawled on a model sheet. And above all, I've never seen a show where the people making it seem to be putting in so much more effort than they have to. Every other cartoon I've talked about here, while perfectly competent, and in some cases ingenious, is so because it's playing to an audience that demands ingenuity. What they're doing in making these shows is their job. And if the Pony people were just doing their job, we'd have a G4 Pony cartoon that would be about as engaging and envelope-pushing as that Thundercats reboot—which is to say, interesting idea, decently well executed, but in the end all it made anyone do was yawn.

My point is that extolling the virtues of Pony isn't the domain of people who simply haven't watched other cartoons. You're welcome to cheerlead other shows, of course; I'm sure we all welcome being made aware of cartoons that are worth watching. But so far I haven't seen anything on the modern animation slate that shows any signs of hooking me in the same way. I'll appreciate their technical competence, sure; I'll acknowledge their superiority in areas where that is due. But none of them are giving me horse run cycles that are so fuckin' cute I want to roll around on the ground speaking in tongues. None of them are showing me fifty unique facial expressions and eye dilations in a ten-second clip of a tiny unicorn disowning her big sister. None of them are inventing ways of emoting using flared wings and cocked forehooves that simply hadn't ever been conceived of before 2010. None of them are taking a ho-hum after-school-special premise of "how not to be an asshole" complete with voiceover morals and letters to the teacher and turning it into scripture that a zillion adult nerds follow unironically and to the letter. None of them, in short, are doing anything more with their missions than they signed on to do, or than the audience tuning in expects to see out of them. I'd have been more surprised if these well-funded, creator-driven shows weren't prime-time-grade material. But the fact that we're talking about Pony in comparison with them at all is what tickles me; and it still does unique things that no other show seems to think is important enough to even attempt. It's those things that keep me interested in Pony, and as long as the industry holds out in ignoring those areas in which it has decided to excel, and as long as it keeps excelling in those areas anyway all by itself just because it's stubborn that way I guess, I'm gonna have a real hard time deciding I want to watch some other cartoon from the some other cartoon bin instead.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:08 pm

Headless Horse wrote:the thesis isn't that FiM is the best cartoon ever made.


Except that's pretty much what Sobana is saying.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:16 pm

Okay, in Sobana's case let's see what the trip report says. :-P
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:30 pm

Given any creative or technical category, I'm sure there are numerous shows that can best FiM.

I'm much less sure whether there are many, or any, other show that would compel someone to compose thousand-plus word declarations of love to it on a random Tuesday morning.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:09 pm

Sobana wrote:I just don't see what other shows could offer that could top the quality of ponies...


Of course, of course, but in their 2013 report pony was the only one were they said "Hey, look how much money this made!" Pony seems to be their new big trendy thing. Transfromers has been around for a while and has got like some 300 licensing labels whereas pony only has like 30 so far... I'm sure in about 30 years FiM will be making big movies too...


Yeah, and in 2007, 2009, and 2011, and probably this year too, they've said "Look how much money Transformers made!" My Little Pony isn't the only brand that makes Hasbro money as you're saying. And considering since it's been around even before Transformers, they've had their fair share of licenses too.

They also won't make a FiM movie, because by that point in 30 years, there will most likely be another MLP franchise. They also tried to make an MLP movie. It bombed. And while the same happened for Transformers and GI Joe, they both happened to be able to make gritty reboot movies, which seem to be a fad now. Something I'm certain MLP won't be able to do.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:32 pm

Oh sweet Chrysalis, not the X show is better then y show rantbate, am I on a pony forum or an anime forum!? :gotcha:

While I would personally agree Gravity Falls is abit better then MLP, That's not really saying much, pony is still awesome. As for other toons, in my book Pony, AT, Avatar, Steven Universe, Wander, etc are all on equal footing, all are pretty great for what they are.


Sobana isn't wrong for thinking MLP is the best show ever and neither are those that think it's not.


Also @AppleCobbler: Yes, season 4 did happen, and it was 26 episodes of Aweosme! :awesomedash:


And in closing I think we can all agree Invader Zim was the best cartoon ever made, so no need to argue any further. :twiright:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:42 pm

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Yeah, and in 2007, 2009, and 2011, and probably this year too, they've said "Look how much money Transformers made!" My Little Pony isn't the only brand that makes Hasbro money as you're saying. And considering since it's been around even before Transformers, they've had their fair share of licenses too.

They also won't make a FiM movie, because by that point in 30 years, there will most likely be another MLP franchise. They also tried to make an MLP movie. It bombed. And while the same happened for Transformers and GI Joe, they both happened to be able to make gritty reboot movies, which seem to be a fad now. Something I'm certain MLP won't be able to do.

That seems highly debatable. Their one spin off movie did so well it lead to another movie and series...
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:53 pm

Sobana wrote:That seems highly debatable. Their one spin off movie did so well it lead to another movie and series...


Nothing I've said really has been that debatable. You mentioned the "Look how much money Hasbro made from MLP" in 2013 thing, I've just said that they said the same thing for each of the years with a Transformers film. I'm not arguing that Transformers is better, I'm just trying to make the point that My Little Pony isn't the only source of profit for Hasbro, they have several profitable brands, since before you were saying MLP is the only good thing that's happened to them in years.

Also by "Something I'm certain MLP won't be able to do." I was referring to a gritty reboot, which as I said, seems to be trending with GI Joe, Transformers, the new Ninja Turtles, etc.
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Postby Jyu (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:05 pm

In all honestly, if somebody says "My Little Pony is the best cartoon ever!!" that's totally fine. You don't need to go saying they're wrong and start naming other shows you think are better. Gravity Falls is a great show and if you think it's a better than ponies that's fine but you don't have to bring it up every time. Shows should be judged on their own merits, not whether or not they're better than some other show.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:10 pm

Personally, while I haven't seen Gravity Falls, I like FiM a lot more than Avatar:TLA. I found the characters in the latter lacking depth, and while there were hints of a fascinating world it was never really expanded on to the degree the world is in FiM, which are the primary things that draw me to the show.

So.. maybe we should just admit different people like different things, and for some people FiM really is the best show currently airing?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:25 pm

My friends, I think it's time we had a little talk, *puts on mustache, gets out chalkboard*

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Now class, in terms of media you see weather speaking positively or negativity, we are all wrong all the time! How can that be you ask, well let me now explains my universal media theory!

All Media is P.O.P! What is P.O.P you ask well... P.O.P is...

Preference
Opinion
Perception

I believe these are the three strongest driving forces in not just media but ones views on life in general, but for now we are talking soley of entertainment.

Preference: some people prefer action, some comedy some romance, some drama, these different preferences are what help us gravitate towards or away from certain types of media, and no preference is inherently superior to the other, it only has true relevance to the individuals bias for or against.

Opinion: everyone has one, so basically if they were currency they wouldn't be worth sh*t! But that's not the point of an opinion, it is merely our positive or negative view of something. A good first impression can leave a lingering positive opinion of a work no matter how much it *supposedly* declines in quality just like a negative first impression can leave a lingering negative opinion no matter how much a work *supposedly* improves*which is also subjective of course* but that of course is just one variation of opinions, there are so many and opinions can constantly change for better or worse, season to season or even episode to episode. And while universally not worth anything, they are internalized and worth almost everything to the individual.

Perception: This may be the most powerful one, how we perceive what we watch effects our opinion & preference. Perception, as you know is how we view/comprehend things, be it the world around us or a TV show, two individuals can watch the exact same show or movie and have a Completly different perception of what it is/should be. This even applies to the characters in the show, as people view them differently, some more open or closed minded about what they can or cannot do.


So yes, ALL MEDIA IS P.O.P.! All people are P.O.P. Therefore, we are all always technically wrong to everyone but ourselves, where we internalize our interests and are always right.

And that's the end of my rant.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:55 pm

Jyu wrote:In all honestly, if somebody says "My Little Pony is the best cartoon ever!!" that's totally fine. You don't need to go saying they're wrong and start naming other shows you think are better. Gravity Falls is a great show and if you think it's a better than ponies that's fine but you don't have to bring it up every time. Shows should be judged on their own merits, not whether or not they're better than some other show.


The problem isn't that said person thinks it's the "best cartoon ever", it's that they think that and then go about acting like this show will last forever.

I mean, this is what started the whole thing

Sobana wrote:This show is now immortal~


Seriously?

Eveyrone's free to like what they like, but don't go about acting how Hasbro is only succesfull because of this show or ignoring their other shows.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:01 pm

I see nothing wrong with his post, I'd rather have over confidence/positivity then over negativity on the net.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:03 pm

You are obsessed with positivity and negativity and it's pretty much your response to anything anyone says that you don't like.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:06 pm

Tailspin wrote:You are obsessed with positivity and negativity and it's pretty much your response to anything anyone says that you don't like.



Whatever you say brah. :-P

Have a wonderful day! :party:
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