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Postby Illuminations (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:35 pm

Interesting that Episode 7 of Season 5 [Make New Friends But Keep Discord] failed to live up to the viewing experience of its immediate predecessor.

S5E7 Rating Is Lower Than Expected - The Results

I'm not sure whether to blame the hiccup in episode scheduling or if people are still bummed over Appleloosa's Most Wanted. This is possibly the first time we've had a drop in viewership where Discord is the center of attention in a single setting.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:41 pm

Ratings this season have been all over the place. I blame poor advertising by Discovery Family. They're still running ads for "The Cutie Mark" rather than real ads for upcoming episodes.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:51 pm

I just hope that this doesn't effect the show production... :flutterdear:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 9:59 pm

Seeing as Season 6 is already in the works, and seeing as the toy sales keep getting stronger - which is driven by the show - I'm not really worried.

And, honestly? If the movie is the last thing we get, I am okay with that. I'd like it to keep on going, for sure, but anything that makes it to #sixseasonsandamovie has done very well.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 10:21 pm

Let's not forget that there was a gap between Appleoosa's Most Wanted and last week's episode. Maybe that, combined with the :effort: advertising from Discovery Family, resulted in people not bothering to check to see if there was a new episode on last Saturday.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Wed May 20, 2015 10:31 pm

I slept in that saturday. :fluttershock:
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 2:42 am

Not sure if this is really the place to post it, but Cinema Equestria's been C & D'd. RIP.
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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 2:47 am

Mic Roe Pony wrote:Not sure if this is really the place to post it, but Cinema Equestria's been C & D'd. RIP.


Move on to the next stream, wash rinse repeat. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 2:52 am

Aww, I thought that was the best site to stream.

Hopefully there's something that's just as good in time for the next ep :fluttersmith:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:04 am

Sad, but if there's one thing it's unsurprisingly for Hasbro to C&D it's a site that's streaming their show. They're being completely reasonable in doing so.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:17 am

It sure would be nice if Hasbro and Discovery Family could stream it somewhere, considering the number of fans who all want to see it but don't have the means to get cable or satellite TV just for one show. Of course, the TV industry has largely been fighting technological progress and changing consumer desires for almost a decade now, so I doubt that'll change anytime soon.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:18 am

The cable package with Discovery Family costs $80 more a month than I'm paying now, so no thanks. :ohrarity:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:36 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:It sure would be nice if Hasbro and Discovery Family could stream it somewhere, considering the number of fans who all want to see it but don't have the means to get cable or satellite TV just for one show. Of course, the TV industry has largely been fighting technological progress and changing consumer desires for almost a decade now, so I doubt that'll change anytime soon.


I recall reports that Hasbro was looking for online streaming sites months ago. There was speculation that this was one of the reasons why Season 5 may have taken so long to air, that Hasbro wanted to have stream-ready services to go hand in hand with Discovery Family.

I suppose that didnt fall through. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:42 am

Mic Roe Pony wrote:Not sure if this is really the place to post it, but Cinema Equestria's been C & D'd. RIP.

Wtf Hasbro
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:49 am

It's the legal dance. It gets too big, they have to act, then they turn a blind eye till the next one gets too big, rinse and repeat.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 5:58 am

Damn it, that sucks. It was the best streaming site out there for me... :fluttersmith:

Any other good sites I can use?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 12:31 pm

There's a few other people in our fandom who will quietly stream new episodes. Since the availability of streams tends to vary, the best place to find a stream any week is on IRC.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 1:00 pm

So how is Bronystate still going on?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 2:31 pm

Maybe the name alone did it. CinemaQuestria obviously references the name of Equestria, thereby perhaps making it look more like an official FiM thing, whereas Bronystate is clearly part of our fandom first and not something that would be quite so directly liked to Hasbro.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 2:39 pm

That's a possibility. Also, I just saw that the whole site wasn't shutting down, just that they can't air any MLP material.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:20 pm

That's too bad. I suppose it doesn't really matter where the stream comes from (as long as the quality is decent), but CinemaQuestria's site always looked really nice.

Oh well. Ponies - as they say - will go on. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:36 pm

Bleh, was a big fan of CinemaQuestria's service. It was a nice, non-creepy site. Hasbro are perfectly justified in doing this, but it's still a bummer.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:47 pm

One thing I liked about CinemaQuestria was that they played the Discovery Family commercials (which are usually pretty funny in their own weird way), instead of cutting away to some person's webcam.

(Except for that one diaper commercial. That one's weird). :fluttershock:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 3:56 pm

The commercials never really bothered me because I muted the audio and switched tabs during the break. I guess I'll do the same with the webcam footage. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 4:40 pm

TheNegaverser wrote:(Except for that one diaper commercial. That one's weird). :fluttershock:

'CAUSE I'M ALL ABOUT DAT BASS
'BOUT DAT BASS
'BOUT DAT BASS

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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Thu May 21, 2015 6:03 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:'CAUSE I'M ALL ABOUT DAT BASS
'BOUT DAT BASS
'BOUT DAT BASS

:bluh:

NO TROUBLE

On the contrary, I find it to be very troubling, indeed. :starity:
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Postby acksed (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 12:17 pm

Ever so slightly salty about CE being wiped. :-/ Far more salty that I can't see the episode tomorrow, because we're having a Mad Max marathon before seeing Fury Road.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 12:58 pm

acksed wrote:Far more salty that I can't see the episode tomorrow, because we're having a Mad Max marathon before seeing Fury Road.

There are streams other than the one that CinemaQuestria provided, unless you were deliberately going to watch those movies instead of tomorrow's new episode.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 1:21 pm

There's some speculation that Discovery took down CinemaQuestria because of the declining viewership on their TV channel :-I

If true, then someone's being jealous :liarjack:

(probably not but given from what I've heard of Discovery's terrible management, I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case)
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 1:22 pm

I know I'll be in the stream boat in a few weeks. After Hockey season I'm going to finally cut the cable. With Top Gear gone the only thing I watch is MLP and that's not worth $100 a month.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 1:25 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:There's some speculation that Discovery took down CinemaQuestria because of the declining viewership on their TV channel :-I

If true, then someone's being jealous :liarjack:

(probably not but given from what I've heard of Discovery's terrible management, I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case)

I think it was Hasbro's responsibility to issue the C&D here, since CinemaQuestria had been asked to stop showing all official FiM content, not just the weekly streams of each episode. Of course, Discovery could've easily been twisting Hasbro's arm, here.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 1:33 pm

Hasbro is in charge of C&Ds and Discovery has like, zero leverage to 'force' anything from them.

You have to aggressively protect your products, that's how the law works, if anyone can ever go 'uh but you let this guy do the same thing' that creates a domino effect.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 1:37 pm

The Doctor wrote:I know I'll be in the stream boat in a few weeks. After Hockey season I'm going to finally cut the cable. With Top Gear gone the only thing I watch is MLP and that's not worth $100 a month.


Somewhere some cable company demographics analyst is reading this and going :rariwhat:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 3:08 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:Hasbro is in charge of C&Ds and Discovery has like, zero leverage to 'force' anything from them.

You have to aggressively protect your products, that's how the law works, if anyone can ever go 'uh but you let this guy do the same thing' that creates a domino effect.


Actually, no. Discovery doubtless has a contract with Hasbo for rights to air the show that almost certainly gives them exclusive rights, so if they demand Hasbro stop a site from streaming it and Hasbro doesn't Hasbro would be in breach of contract.

Were it not for that contract, Hasbro certainly could go to CinemaQuestria and say "we're fine with this." They wouldn't, but there's nothing in the law that forces them to jealously guard their property.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 5:09 pm

But, why wouldn't Hasbro have the major pull over the show? They technically produce it and it's their brand...wouldn't Discovery only have the airing rights on television, not the overall distribution?
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Postby Pocket (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 5:43 pm

Ultimately, the bottleneck is probably the cable companies, who would get mad if a channel decided to set up their own official 24/7 stream and tell advertisers that hits on that site count towards ratings.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 6:29 pm

Cable companies are eventually going to have to get used to the fact that the Internet now allows for that. Maintaining the status quo forever is going to be impossible for them.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 8:27 pm

Is it? There's no real incentive for them to change the way they operate until content providers are willing to just say "screw you" and ditch television altogether, and that won't happen until it's possible to make more money through Internet distribution alone. And even then, it'll probably take the form of being a Netflix exclusive, because God forbid we ever get out from under the thumb of paid subscriptions. (Does Netflix even allow its shows to be sold on DVD?)
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Postby Lorce (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Pocket wrote:Is it? There's no real incentive for them to change the way they operate until content providers are willing to just say "screw you" and ditch television altogether, and that won't happen until it's possible to make more money through Internet distribution alone.
Isn't HBO already doing something like that with HBO Go? Just not ditching television cause that would close another source of income ^^
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri May 22, 2015 9:02 pm

Pocket wrote:Is it? There's no real incentive for them to change the way they operate until content providers are willing to just say "screw you" and ditch television altogether, and that won't happen until it's possible to make more money through Internet distribution alone. And even then, it'll probably take the form of being a Netflix exclusive, because God forbid we ever get out from under the thumb of paid subscriptions. (Does Netflix even allow its shows to be sold on DVD?)


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