M03: Equestria Girls - Friendship Games

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Re: M03: Equestria Girls - Friendship Games

Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:07 pm

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Ending was pretty much the finale to Sailor Stars.

Except without the nudity :gotcha:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:45 am

Sailor Yue wrote:Movie wasn't bad
Midnight Sparkle's outfit was neat... better than how she looks in the eqg game...

I wonder if how Sunset snapped had to do with the magic being sucked out? Cuz she acted alot like pre "magic of friendship" sunset..


I think Sunset snapped hard because Twilight was reminding her of her own past sins. At least, that was the feeling I got.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:45 am

Three movies in now and I still can't believe this is for real.
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Postby Mir (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:11 am

Honestly, it looks to me like they're just trying really hard to set up a new status quo so so they can launch an Equestria Girls show outright. Now they've introduced their new Twilight, come up with an excuse for Spike to talk and gotten them all together.

As for the movie itself, I'm not saying it was bad, but it was by far the most ridiculous of the movies so far. The events made little sense. The settings were odd.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:43 am

By the way, I don't know if I'm sold on the idea that the ending stinger is a spoiler for the S5 finale. The vibe I got was that "time loops" was just some shit-of-the-week that Twilight Pony has been having to deal with lately, and she literally just only now got the messages from Sunset. It was just a silly throwaway contrivance to get her out of the picture, not unlike Luna showing up at the S2 wedding all like "Oh hi, did I miss anything?"
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:18 am

My first question of the movie is why SciTwi wasn't using protective googles while wielding. I guess she read everything but the safety manual. :v:

My second thought was what was Equestria doing then all these random portals to a different dimension started popping up everywhere. I thought I saw some ponies running in fear through one of the portals. I was half expecting their pony counter parts to show up and help them out. A chance for them all to finally meet.

My third curiosity was why would a high school have an event that happens every four years? Some whole grades wouldn't even be able to participate in the event. If Twilight became a freshman in the year of the event that means she wouldn't been able to prove she was the smartest in the school before the event started and she would have graduated before the next one would have started. It seems like the schools would miss out on a lot of potential talent. I don't see how the students would have this type of grudge rivalry with an event they only would have experienced once and have little to no knowledge of the previous one. It would be different if this happened every year like a sport or prom. Also how is anyone one's reputation on the line with an event that happens so far apart and with only two schools involved? You do it like five or six times in your career before you retire. I can't imagine the outside world would care anything about that let alone it's outcome is suppose to influence college applications. I'm probably more then over thinking this but the more I do the less it makes sense. :wat:
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:31 am

They probably chose the long gap of time to excuse the need for exposition about the event and just didn't really put much thought into the implications
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:03 am

It's my belief the four years shit is a toy mandate to tie-in with the upcoming winter Olympics.

Although 4 years is a traditional high school length so you'd participate once in your high school career. It kinda works but then really doesn't.
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:25 am

I think Friendship Games wasn't quite as stellar as Rainbow Rocks, though it came close and did some things better.

As someone else put it, this movie was character-driven as opposed to RR which was event/plot-driven, so while the latter had flashier villains, songs and scenes, but a predictable flow, this one was milder up until the end, with a very human villain and a very conflicted "antagonist", so it really shined in great character moments (such as Twilight's crisis during archery and Applejack helping her, or Sunset taking out her frustration on others), but it didn't have as much eye/ear-candy, or even comedy.

I really loved both though, it's just too bad that we only get 72 minutes of EqG per year, I'm honestly way more into this series than FiM nowadays, though it might have to do with the fact that the latter already got 100+ episodes.
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I think Sunset snapped hard because Twilight was reminding her of her own past sins. At least, that was the feeling I got.

Sunset was frustrated throughout the movie because she couldn't live up to everyone's expectations of understanding magic, so when she snapped at Twilight, she was actually venting her own frustration, as her words seemed to be directed towards herself ("You are supposed to be so smart but you are meddling with things you don't understand!"); though I suppose that works for her past self too.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:47 pm

Wasn't too bad. Though I rate it 3rd behind the first movie (with Rainbow Rocks taking the top spot). I was hoping the 2 Twilights would meet at some point, and they did. The fanfics of the two of them meeting are probably being written as we speak.
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:35 pm

ilcane87 wrote:Sunset was frustrated throughout the movie because she couldn't live up to everyone's expectations of understanding magic, so when she snapped at Twilight, she was actually venting her own frustration, as her words seemed to be directed towards herself ("You are supposed to be so smart but you are meddling with things you don't understand!"); though I suppose that works for her past self too.


She was also venting a growing inferiority complex towards Twilight. Sunset had idealized Twilight as the person who achieved everything that she failed at. When dougworld Twilight proved to be flawed as her she blasted Twilight both for being better than her and failing to live up to her expectations at the same time.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:23 pm

Not as good as Rainbow Rocks, but it had its moments (I wish our school had motocross archery competitions :rainbert: ). I guess my biggest complaint is the songs weren't as memorable.

Also, I liked the really cool music style for Unleash the Magic. It reminded me a lot of Ayreon metal opera.
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Postby LunarRainbow92 (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:35 pm

I really liked Sunset Shimmer's Phoenix like avatar and of course Midnight Sparkle (I can tell Tara Strong loves doing evil voices)
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:49 pm

Spectacular. Like others have mentioned, I don't think it's quite as good as Rainbow Rocks, but it's definitely on the level.
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Postby dragoonanime (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:12 pm

I really loved this movie. I wonder what the movie would of been like if Megan had written for it like the last two movies instead of Josh.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:16 pm

Well the site formerly known as Topless Robot has done an article about it: http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2015/09/7 ... -games.php

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I don't entirely disagree with it but the writer basically whines it's not :ponydrugs: which is pretty duh.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:57 pm

It's no surprise that I disagree with that reviewer, since I liked Friendship Games the most of the three movies, but some of that stuff :v:

And we never see what Shimmer’s living situation is. Does she even have a house? Has none of the faculty at the high school questioned her about this? Did she also have to take care of the teachers who did ask questions? Did we miss a really bizarre horror movie in which a body-snatching freshman conspired and killed to have this small town ready to fall into the palm of her newly dehooved hands?


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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:06 pm

I for one can't wait for Equestria Girls: Minor Homelessness Crisis
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Postby Durandal (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:41 pm

Since the games spanned multiple days, where did the CP students live? On the bus? I guess they just drove home at the end of each day but it was something that nagged at me
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:39 pm

Durandal wrote:Since the games spanned multiple days, where did the CP students live? On the bus? I guess they just drove home at the end of each day but it was something that nagged at me


I got the impression it was all one day.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:54 am

There's so much ridiculousness about this movie I don't even know where or whether to begin.

But I'll at least say that the scene where they had to make it more difficult than getting a mandatory bullseye in a slim time limit by making the targets move around had me laughing so hard I think I dislocated something.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:52 am

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:01 pm

The original "What More is Out There" song had more Sunset than SciTwi. I guess to explicitly show more similarities between the two.

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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:10 pm

Wayoshi wrote:The original "What More is Out There" song had more Sunset than SciTwi. I guess to explicitly show more similarities between the two.



Damn this would've gone a long way to fix one of my main complaints about this movie- it spends more time on the antagonist than it does on the protagonist.

Maybe they decided to move the plot point to the fourth movie where they have the Everfree and its magic in the human world, but seriously it would be nice to have Sunset acknowledge she's accepted self-imposed exile in kind of a shit reality.
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Postby Discord (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:20 am

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Damn this would've gone a long way to fix one of my main complaints about this movie- it spends more time on the antagonist than it does on the protagonist.

Maybe they decided to move the plot point to the fourth movie where they have the Everfree and its magic in the human world, but seriously it would be nice to have Sunset acknowledge she's accepted self-imposed exile in kind of a shit reality.


I feel like it's something you could have still developed in this movie, maybe have the 4th one be about balance as Sunset realizes that magic is kind of fucked up and she realizes its relationships that are at the core of what she wants.

The old version of the song is great and much better than the one that made it, which was kind of "meh" to me. Though I'm a sucker for compelling duets and I get Wicked and Frozen vibes from this and that's a good thing.

But giving Sunset a "I kind of want magic back in my life" problem would have been so much better than "I need to get rid of magic to fulfil expectations", or at least only having the latter stand on its own. Because it does give a really cool conflict with Sunset being responsible to stop magic despite wanting it back in her life. It would give the finale another layer, with Sunset seeing a dark reflection of herself and being reminded how dangerous wanting magic can be and coming to new conclusions about it.

It would have made Sunset's conflict feel much more substantive than this overbearing sense of responsibility, when it was never going to be her fault, she would ever get blamed unjustly for it by the people who matter and that it's kind of a retread of the 2nd film.

I could see them deciding to save this conflict for the next movie or whatever though, or maybe they thought it wouldn't be delivered well enough/too complicated with time constraints. I disagree with the choice they made here though.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:51 am

Not surprised that link got pulled... I think we'll get more on the DVD in a couple weeks.
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Postby Jyu (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:50 am

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Hmm, I wonder what else was cut from the film. If they were planning on having a Sunset is homesick subplot then I could imagine there being a few more deleted scenes.

On the song, I liked the original "What More is Out There" but this one really steps it up. Seems a lot of Sunset's parts were redone for SciTwi which is probably why the transition between each part feels a little clunky with the rest. Liked how Rebecca Shoichet managed to make Sunset sound a bit different from Twilight's singing voice.
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Postby Hiltonium (?) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:26 am

So here are a few of my thoughts on this movie. I just wanted to get these out somewhere.

This is probably my least favorite out of the Equestria Girls films, with 1 being my second favorite, and 2 (Rainbow Rocks) being my top favorite. The reason why is because this new film didn't leave that much of an impression on me. It really should have been longer. I wish they had shown us more of the Friendship Games themselves. For a titular series of events, we don't get to see that much of them.

- The climax was supremely disappointing. It was a complete rehash of the first film. Instead of bringing something new to the table, we got the same old "Villain appears, is promptly defeated and forgiven" formula that happened with Sunset Shimmer. You know how all those portals to Equestria were appearing all over the place? I think that's how they could have come up with something interesting. Something they could have possibly done is have the Pony Mane 6 team up with the Human Mane 6 in some way, even if it wasn't a direct meet up. I feel like it could have been very entertaining, if done properly. But no. The only kinda cool part about the climax is when Sunset Shimmer powered up and clashed with Twilight for a second.

- I'm also kinda disappointed that we don't know that much about the EQG world itself. What's the name of the city they live in? Are the cities in their country complete counterparts of Equestrian cities? Hopefully these questions can be answered in a future movie.

- However, there were things that I did like about this movie. Seeing Twilight's EGQ counterpart was cool. It was kinda like seeing what Pony Twilight would have been like if she had never met the other main characters. I also liked Sunset Shimmer's development in the film. She's really grown to be a likable character!

I'm getting tired of writing, so I'll wrap things up. I found the film to be pretty meh overall. They could have delivered more with it, it could have been bigger, but it wasn't. It was just okay.

But if you really like it, that's just fine.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:37 pm

:lol: Just realized how amazingly passive aggressive (even if unintentional) Flash's "We're sure to win with you here" line to Twilight was.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:25 am

In a way I think the ending was to make the first movie's ending come full circle. The fans had a hard time understanding how Twilight could forgive and trust Sunset so quickly after her defeat. Then they made her do the same, part of friendship is forgiveness after all.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:40 pm

I've been trying to solve that stupid triangle problem from the Decathlon for an hour now. I thought it would be possible if I represented each angle as a set of constraints in a linear system, but all 4 of the resulting vectors are orthogonal....
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Postby kalasu (?) » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:09 am

Durandal wrote:I've been trying to solve that stupid triangle problem from the Decathlon for an hour now. I thought it would be possible if I represented each angle as a set of constraints in a linear system, but all 4 of the resulting vectors are orthogonal....


The problem is the hardest easy algebra question and requires you to add some extra lines to find the solution
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:14 am

Dammit, now I kinda want to see Sunset as a pony...
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:28 am

Wayoshi wrote:Dammit, now I kinda want to see Sunset as a pony...


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Postby Musings (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:17 pm

(I typed this up before the extended/cut scenes were leaked earlier today :v:)

I've had one heck of a couple of weeks (though that's probably a post for the Cottage), so as a treat to myself, I sat down tonight to watch The Third Movie in the Tween Doll Spin-Off of the Franchise Designed to Sell Toy Horses, Generation 4.

(Also, I wrote most of this at 4AM in an e-mail to a friend, so apologies for messy grammar!)

Some random thoughts:

  • Overall feelings are really positive, but it basically boiled down to just another episode of EQG: That Other Show at this point. I didn't feel it was as strong as Rainbow Rocks (and probably about on par with that first movie? I guess?), but then again, I think RR was way better than anyone expected. The staff were clearly just having so much fun with that one. :party:
  • I was going to write something about the songs here, but you've all pretty much said what there is to say. I wish there'd been more, and that the Sunset duet survived editing, but I'm alright with its exclusion if that means we get a little more thorough development of Sunset missing Equestria in a future movie.
  • While I suppose one could argue that this is the most tightly-paced of the three movies, I think this one needed more time to breathe. The absolute best parts were the character moments: little details like Applejack's knowing wink to Sunset; Sunset worrying about Equestria!Twilight's lack of reply, and subsequently snapping at alt!Twilight (it was great to see the rage-filled Sunset of the comics and pre-EQG again); alt!Twilight bonding with Pinkie, Fluttershy, Applejack (that archery event!) and her Spike; etc. It's a shame we didn't get more time devoted to stuff like that, or to giving us more background for the Crystal Prep students. Anything like the sleepover at Pinkie's from RR would have been welcome. And Rarity is sadly just sort of pegged into the "YOU MAKE CLOTHES" hole again, though I approve of the welcome party and motocross outfits. :vogue:
  • Likewise, I'd argue that the finale was just a smidge rushed (surprising nobody, the Dragonball beam-battle "fight" is over in moments), and at first, I didn't really buy alt!Twilight's evil turn at the end, even if she is sick of being isolated. After replaying some scenes, though, she does pretty much get dragged through the mud throughout the movie, with Sunset exploding at her just after it seemed like there was a group of people who liked her.
  • Obviously, I'd prefer a resolution that wasn't some sort of deux ex machina for once, but Sunset charging up the amulet/Dragon Radar thingy makes a reasonable amount of sense. And to be fair, you're never going to top the Gitaroo-Man-Alicorn-Laser-Boss from RR.
  • On the plus side: that white light, Akira/Sailor Moon Ending moment, eh? Talk about SunsetxTwilight shipping fuel. :P Though it's the wrong Twilight...
  • "Midnight" Sparkle's design was ridiculous, but I like it, particularly the visual emphasis on her eyes (since her curiosity/desire to see magic is amplified/corrupted), along with the Chrysalis-esque horn.
  • Likewise, it was great to see Sunset powered-up in a "positive" form. I'd love to see more of pony!Sunset one day, though...
  • (I severely edited my over-thinking down from my original e-mail, here) I both love - and hate - that everyone at CHS and (by the end) Crystal Prep just accepts that magic exists now. I know Dougworld is somewhat analogous to our Earth, but I still primarily see it as an AU for Equestria, so I'm willing to accept Dougworld Earth is probably more okay with the fantastic (and probably doesn't have our horrible history). I enjoyed that Principal Celestia is all "lololol, our students grew wings and saved the world again; back to class everyone!" Troll!Celestia is a troll in all realities. :dwi:
  • I loved the end post-credits "stinger", finally addressing where Equestria!Twilight was and why she didn't answer Sunset in their magical pager book. The shot of the two Twilights staring at each other was exactly what I wanted and expected. Real spoiler: And hang on, time loop? Did Twilight just spoil an Season 5 episode? The finale, maybe?
  • I know the stuff in the comics is frequently ignored these days, but it's interesting to see that a Shining Armor who grew up at Crystal Prep instead turned into a bit more of a jock. Unless the previous Friendship Games he participated in were for D&D and board games. :gotcha:
  • alt!Twilight showing next-to-zero interest in Flash Sentry and shrugging him off, more than once, was great. He got a pity pat from Derpy. :smirk:

... Sorry for the wall of text. :modesty: TL;DR: I enjoyed it! It's an interesting contrast against EQG 1 & 2, especially once you consider the different writers.
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Postby Baron Porkface (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:32 pm

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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:35 pm

Musings wrote:On the plus side: that white light, Akira/Sailor Moon Ending moment, eh? Talk about SunsetxTwilight shipping fuel. :P Though it's the wrong Twilight...

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Nah but seriously I'm still scratching my head on that one. Do the people on staff really care that little that they're willing to use easily misinterpreted visuals just for the sake of telling the story they want? Because I thought they specifically wanted to avoid having fans go "obviously shipping, confirmed canon" over scenes that aren't meant to imply anything. :rariwhat: Like surely they realized what was gonna happen when people see that scene. I mean, come on, it doesn't even need much reaching to color it as something other than just Sunset being friendly with dougworld Twi
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:32 am

With the deleted scenes I can see why the one with Sunset meeting up with Eq Twilight was cut, but the Duet would have been so awsome. Tho the interesting parts where Sunset contemplating returning to equestria would have been nice.

Interesting tho if there's going to be a series or movies, I had a dream were the eqg version of the gang end up going on friendship adventures ala the map in equestria. ..
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:56 am

Sailor Yue wrote:With the deleted scenes I can see why the one with Sunset meeting up with Eq Twilight was cut, but the Duet would have been so awsome. Tho the interesting parts where Sunset contemplating returning to equestria would have been nice.

Interesting tho if there's going to be a series or movies, I had a dream were the eqg version of the gang end up going on friendship adventures ala the map in equestria. ..


Actually, watching the deleted scenes I couldn't help but think they (especially the ending) would have came off as a more permanent ending. In hindsight the one we actually got, with Twilight transferring to CHS and without Sunset deciding the human world is her home now seems to leave things open for more movies in the future. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it for that reason, and if that means we might get Sunset's homesickness as a plot point in a future movie.
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