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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 09, 2015 6:22 am

Now I want to see a fancomic where the two Gummys meet. I'm sure it'd rip a hole in the universe but it would be worth it.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 13, 2015 6:16 am

Maybe he'll be the next guest star. :v:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Wed May 13, 2015 7:21 am

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 13, 2015 10:32 am

Have him play a detective sometime in the next season. :v:
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 2:55 am

I want to chat about the show, anyone got a topic?
If not, here's one. I thought Season 4 was downright terrible.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 2:58 am

What in particular did you dislike about it?
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:01 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:I want to chat about the show, anyone got a topic?
If not, here's one. I thought Season 4 was downright terrible.


Well I thought it was downright good. :seethe:
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:04 am

Did anyone notice how the retconned story of Nightmare Moon changes everything and ruins both characters?
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:06 am

What exactly was retconed about Nightmare Moon? Things go down exactly how they did in the storybook opening from season 1, just with more lasers.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:08 am

Originally, Nightmare Moon vows to create eternal night but never attacks her sister. Celestia is never threatened.
In the retconned version, Nightmare Moon claims to only want to destroy Celestia, and does not once mention creating eternal night.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:10 am

Looking through season 4, ranking the episodes as liked, didn't like, and was okay, I came up with the following results. (counting two-parters as one)

12 liked.
5 didn't like.
7 were okay.

That seems like a pretty solid season to me. Personally I don't really have a ranking of seasons. There's a mix of good and bad in each season. :pinkieshrug:

Though season 3 is clearly the worst for not having a dedicated Rarity episode.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:15 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:Originally, Nightmare Moon vows to create eternal night but never attacks her sister. Celestia is never threatened.
In the retconned version, Nightmare Moon claims to only want to destroy Celestia, and does not once mention creating eternal night.


The storybook opening was super vague on the details. Nightmare Moon would have to get rid of Celestia one way or another, since it's not like Celestia would just let things go. Plus in the scene we see in the Season 4 opener, the very first thing Luna does is block out the sun and create eternal night. She even rants about the ponies backing in Celestia's light. I don't think the two versions are mutually exclusive.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:22 am

Ooh right, let's see if this works...

...Aww, "the board attachment quota has been reached". So much for showing the nifty graph I made of my episode ratings.
But anyway, I'm new here and I know I'm just sorta haphazardly throwing opinions out there, I'm actually just testing the waters to see how you guys respond and how fast things are here. So far I like what I see! :)


Perpetual Lurker wrote:The storybook opening was super vague on the details. Nightmare Moon would have to get rid of Celestia one way or another, since it's not like Celestia would just let things go. Plus in the scene we see in the Season 4 opener, the very first thing Luna does is block out the sun and create eternal night. She even rants about the ponies backing in Celestia's light. I don't think the two versions are mutually exclusive.


You can't honestly suggest the two stories aren't vastly different. The story is clear that Celestia could not raise the sun because Luna wouldn't lower the moon, you cannot infer from the original that Nightmare Moon was violent toward her sister. And Luna eclipsing the sun in the retconned version (already a contradiction) is not remotely a sign of eternal night. In fact, the ONLY way her intention to create eternal night could be established is if she SAID it herself, since the night lasted no longer than five minutes. You're grasping at straws but they don't hold.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:28 am

We'll just have to agree to disagree, then, since I think that what's shown indicates Luna's intentions rather clearly. In any case, one bad detail in one episode can't possibly ruin an entire season. What was wrong with the rest of it?
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:30 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:You can't honestly suggest the two stories aren't vastly different. The story is clear that Celestia could not raise the sun because Luna wouldn't lower the moon, you cannot infer from the original that Nightmare Moon was violent toward her sister. And Luna eclipsing the sun in the retconned version (already a contradiction) is not remotely a sign of eternal night. In fact, the ONLY way her intention to create eternal night could be established is if she SAID it herself, since the night lasted no longer than five minutes. You're grasping at straws but they don't hold.


I think maybe you're putting a bit too much stock in the storybook sequence. Who even wrote that? When? For such an important event, why is it so vague about so many things?

Then we've got the potion-flashback in Season 4. How accurate was that? Is it like time-travel, or some kind of vision? Are we seeing an exact, 1:1 representation of what happened, or is it a truncated version?

Both sources are potentially unreliable to varying degrees, IMO.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:33 am

They also had a limited time to show the flashback. It was one small scene in a two-parter episode that was likely cut short to make time. I don't see anything really directly contradictory. You're kind of going off of the assumption that everything we see in the season 4 opener was everything that happened. There were cuts and we can't assume everything happened in the exact same time-frame as what we saw. It's quite possible Nightmare Moon was off in populated areas making speeches and declaring an eternal night to all the ponies she encountered. They did the best they could with what they had. Still a pretty solid episode I think.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:36 am

Yeah since the story in S1E1 is being read from a book, it's probably a story that had been passed down for generations by word of mouth and gained embellishments over the years before being put to paper. It makes sense that there would be inconsistencies between that and Twilight's vision, which seemed like it was a vision of what actually took place.

I personally think S4 is the best season of all. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:39 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree, then, since I think what's shown indicates Luna's intentions rather clearly. In any case, one bad detail in one episode can't possibly ruin an entire season. What was wrong with the rest of it?


Well, it has at least one episode dedicating to ruining each character's personality and canon one by one. The premiere runs both Celestia and Luna with that retcon, Rarity gets Simple Ways, Fluttershy gets Filli Vanilli, Spike gets Power Ponies, Pinkie gets Pinkie Pride, AJ gets Somepony to Watch Over Me, Twilight gets the finale, etc. etc.

And that's not mentioning trainwrecks like Breezies or Daring Don't or Equestria Games. Going by Twig's method, I'd say there are
12 didn't like
8 were okay
4 were good
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PaulloDEC wrote:I think maybe you're putting a bit too much stock in the storybook sequence. Who even wrote that? When? For such an important event, why is it so vague about so many things?
Then we've got the potion-flashback in Season 4. How accurate was that? Is it like time-travel, or some kind of vision? Are we seeing an exact, 1:1 representation of what happened, or is it a truncated version?
Both sources are potentially unreliable to varying degrees, IMO.

Master_Twig wrote:They also had a limited time to show the flashback. It was one small scene in a two-parter episode that was likely cut short to make time. I don't see anything really directly contradictory. You're kind of going off of the assumption that everything we see in the season 4 opener was everything that happened. There were cuts and we can't assume everything happened in the exact same time-frame as what we saw. It's quite possible Nightmare Moon was off in populated areas making speeches and declaring an eternal night to all the ponies she encountered. They did the best they could with what they had. Still a pretty solid episode I think.

Isn't it kind of dishonest to suggest that what we saw onscreen wasn't necessarily canon? But either way, consider this: You say that it may have been shortened for time, but why was it there in the first place? What did that flashback actually add to the episode at all? Do you think they really interrupted the story with something like that only for it not to even be a coherent story?
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:44 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:Isn't it kind of dishonest to suggest that what we saw onscreen wasn't necessarily canon? But either way, consider this: You say that it may have been shortened for time, but why was it there in the first place? What did that flashback actually add to the episode at all? Do you think they really interrupted the story with something like that only for it not to even be a coherent story?


Is it dishonest? Maybe, but isn't assuming that every word spoken on the show is 100%, rock-solid canon equally silly? Especially when something that reads like an old book of myths and legends is the source.

Anyway, let's be real here; on a show like MLP, canon is something for fans much more than it is for the producers. If the writers want to tell a story that contradicts another story, they'll probably do it. Establishing a logical sequence of events, even if it means digging out gaps or identifying areas that aren't clearly defined, is pretty much something just for us fans to worry about.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:45 am

PaulloDEC wrote:I think maybe you're putting a bit too much stock in the storybook sequence. Who even wrote that? When? For such an important event, why is it so vague about so many things?


It really has to be either Starswirl or more likely Celestia who wrote that book. From everything we know, only three ponies knew about the Elements. Celestia, Luna and Starswirl. I lean towards Celestia writing it because it included instructions on how the elements work, and Starswirl seemed to know only what they were capable of, and not how to wield them.

Dulset Tarn wrote:Isn't it kind of dishonest to suggest that what we saw onscreen wasn't necessarily canon? But either way, consider this: You say that it may have been shortened for time, but why was it there in the first place? What did that flashback actually add to the episode at all? Do you think they really interrupted the story with something like that only for it not to even be a coherent story?


I think it's very possible. I'd like to give Luna credit that she could put up more than a 10-20 minute fight when trying to overthrow her sister. I think the episode did a great disservice to what seems to be one of the most important events in Equestria History. And this will make me sound like a broken record with some here, but since you're new I'll just lay down my opinion that a writing a "coherent story" is not a strength of Meghan's when it comes to Celestia and Luna. They are obstacles in the way of her Twilight story that need to be dealt with as expediently as possible.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:48 am

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It really has to be either Starswirl or more likely Celestia who wrote that book. From everything we know, only three ponies knew about the Elements. Celestia, Luna and Starswirl. I lean towards Celestia writing it because it included instructions on how the elements work, and Starswirl seemed to know only what they were capable of, and not how to wield them.


Agreed, Celestia would make the most sense. Presumably she'd have her reasons for keeping things vague.

The Doctor wrote:I think it's very possible. I'd like to give Luna credit that she could put up more than a 10-20 minute fight when trying to overthrow her sister. I think the episode did a great disservice to what seems to be one of the most important events in Equestria History.


I've always gone with the "truncated flashback" attitude towards that stuff. Sometimes when you drink a weird white potion some Zebra gave you, you only get half a vision.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:49 am

What exactly do you mean by ruining? Yeah, there are always going to be some inconsistencies with characters seeing as that this IS a children's cartoon show, and it's written by many different writers. That's just inevitable. But nothing in any of those episodes was so earth-shatteringly different that it completely ruins the characters in the other episodes (Like Anakin's portrayal in the Star Wars prequels ruins the character of Darth Vader).

Hell, I can think of a half dozen episodes where Pinkie Pie is portrayed far worse than in Pinkie Pride. Heck, I thought that was one of her better episodes in terms of consistency of character.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 3:51 am

Master_Twig wrote:What exactly do you mean by ruining? Yeah, there are always going to be some inconsistencies with characters seeing as that this IS a children's cartoon show, and it's written by many different writers. That's just inevitable. But nothing in any of those episodes was so earth-shatteringly different that it completely ruins the characters in the other episodes (Like Anakin's portrayal in the Star Wars prequels ruins the character of Darth Vader).

Hell, I can think of a half dozen episodes where Pinkie Pie is portrayed far worse than in Pinkie Pride. Heck, I thought that was one of her better episodes in terms of consistency of character.


Pinkie was one of the standouts in S4 for me. She is low on my Pony rankings, but I thought that both Pinkie Pride and Pinkie Apple Pie were really good episodes that showcases the best of her character.


Dulset Tarn wrote:pike gets Power Ponies, Pinkie gets Pinkie Pride, AJ gets Somepony to Watch Over Me, Twilight gets the finale, etc. etc.

And that's not mentioning trainwrecks like Breezies or Daring Don't or Equestria Games.



Daring Don't was a mess, and I think Breezies, while not terrible, could have been much better. But I am curious what you disliked about Equestria Games? I thought it was a really solid Spike episode. My only real criticism would be that I really wish several episodes had been dedicated to the Games. Not a mutli-parter for the Spike story, just 2 or 3 loosely connected stories that all take place at the Games. Given the build up we had for it, it seemed a bit of a let down for the payoff to really just be the B plot of a Spike episode.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:04 am

PaulloDEC wrote:Is it dishonest? Maybe, but isn't assuming that every word spoken on the show is 100%, rock-solid canon equally silly?

This question baffles me. What even is canon if not "what happens in the show"? The story could certainly be dramatized sure, but suggesting that what we actually saw in the flashback was somehow not the case...?

The Doctor wrote: And this will make me sound like a broken record with some here, but since you're new I'll just lay down my opinion that a "coherent story" is never something that comes into play when Meghan is writing Celestia and Luna. They are obstacles in the way of her Twilight story that need to be dealt with as expediently as possible.

Hah, true true. Have we met before? Another strike against season 4, Celestia disappears for 21 straight episodes and no one even notices!

But I think it must have been Celestia who wrote the story because she was the ONLY witness to Nightmare Moon at all. Seriously, her reign of terror lasted five minutes. Logically that would mean she lied in the story to make her sister look like less of an insane murderous villain with no motive whatsoever, as well as to make her own banishing of Luna seem like it was a choice and she was doing more than just saving her own skin.

Master_Twig wrote:What exactly do you mean by ruining? Yeah, there are always going to be some inconsistencies with characters seeing as that this IS a children's cartoon show, and it's written by many different writers. That's just inevitable. But nothing in any of those episodes was so earth-shatteringly different that it completely ruins the characters in the other episodes (Like Anakin's portrayal in the Star Wars prequels ruins the character of Darth Vader).

Funny you should mention Star Wars, as just like with the ark side of the force, apparently transforming into the powerful Nightmare Moon is as simple as choosing to be evil. Nothing more to it!

Master_Twig wrote:Hell, I can think of a half dozen episodes where Pinkie Pie is portrayed far worse than in Pinkie Pride. Heck, I thought that was one of her better episodes in terms of consistency of character.

I'm of the opinion she hasn't had a good portrayal since season 2, but go watch Griffon the Brush Off and you'll see that the character in Pinkie Pride is actually a Bizarro Pinkie, with all the exact opposite traits that the real Pinkie has.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:06 am

Also I want to tell you all that I'm having a lot of fun chatting and arguing, it' kind of what I love doing and I hope it doesn't bother you guys. I'm really glad I'm here :)
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:10 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:This question baffles me. What even is canon if not "what happens in the show"? The story could certainly be dramatized sure, but suggesting that what we actually saw in the flashback was somehow not the case...?



Well I think that expectations of what is "canon" (or continuity) needs to be tempered with the acceptance that this is not Tolkien. This is not a tale with the most inane minutia and history planned out. This is a series written by multiple writers and is really playing the world building as they go. We're not going to get a totally solid and cohesive timeline. Much like with Star Trek, you have to accept the occasional contradiction or error.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:11 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:This question baffles me. What even is canon if not "what happens in the show"? The story could certainly be dramatized sure, but suggesting that what we actually saw in the flashback was somehow not the case...?


To put it another way, what we see or hear isn't always a 100% accurate record of events. Sometimes you only hear part of a story. Sometimes details are withheld or misreported. Sometimes people use figures of speech, or exaggerate for effect. Sometimes things can be misconstrued, or simply aren't as they seem.

If Pinkie Pie leapt up on screen and yelled "I ate a whole chicken today!", we wouldn't assume that actually happened. If Twilight found an old scroll that said "Suddenly, Celestia appeared", we wouldn't necessarily assume she literally just appeared, like, in a puff of smoke. Maybe she walked in? Maybe she flew in? Y'know, that sort of thing.

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Well I think that expectations of what is "canon" (or continuity) needs to be tempered with the acceptance that this is not Tolkien. This is not a tale with the most inane minutia and history planned out. This is a series written by multiple writers and is really playing the world building as they go. We're not going to get a totally solid and cohesive timeline. Much like with Star Trek, you have to accept the occasional contradiction or error.


Also this.

Dulset Tarn wrote:Also I want to tell you all that I'm having a lot of fun chatting and arguing, it' kind of what I love doing and I hope it doesn't bother you guys. I'm really glad I'm here :)


Likewise! Discussion is fun :ponynet:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:13 am

I have my own issues with the Princess Twilight Sparkle flashbacks, but they aren't that they "retcon" the stories we already "know" or that they contradict understood canon. It's actually kind of the opposite.

I would have loved to see them show something in those flashback stories that threw our prior conceptions about the Nightmare Moon origin story and Discord's imprisonment into a cocked hat—that recast them in fresh light with new information we hadn't had before. Like if we saw Luna's coup from her own perspective rather than Celestia's or a random bystander's. Frankly I was left a little flat by the spectacle of the Luna/Celestia fight simply because it was just that—spectacle. It was fanservice, and while it was full of lasers and collapsing masonry and giant rainbow explosions and everything, it was really just the story we already knew, slavishly pasted up on screen and not telling us anything new. It tacked on that thing about the tree, true, but that didn't really affect anything to do with the actual takeover.

(For that matter, they might have had Discord doing something other than just sitting there on that same damn throne in the same old playing-cards-and-checkerboards landscape, like that's the only thing he can think of for what "chaos world" looks like, and the alicorns just walking straight up to him and blowing him away.)

I've said elsewhere recently that one of the show's great strengths is what it doesn't show. Whether that means that it avoids directly addressing questions like "are Applejack's parents dead" or "did Mr. Cake really mean what I think he meant" or "do ponies poop" or whatever, or whether it means it will give us an epic backstory for the premiere episode that tells us the salient details only through confused narration over crayon drawings in an old forgotten book, what it means for us is that it allows our imaginations to run free. Everybody came up with their own headcanon early on about what was up with Luna's hair or why her voice was different when she showed back up in Luna Eclipsed, or whether she was really the misunderstood one and it was really Celestia who had unfairly dominated power, and so on and so forth. What was cool about Luna Eclipsed was that while yes, it contradicted quite a bit of what we knew from the pilot, it brought plenty of great new stuff to the table :speakest: . And while PTS valiantly took on the fan-pleasing task of putting to screen all that imagery that we'd all longed to see since the beginning of S1, it failed to introduce anything new or surprising, and in the process it also killed imagination. Every time you fill in the blanks in the backstory, you're closing the door on the infinite possibilities of the mind; and if you aren't doing that for a good reason, i.e. if you're not cashing in that credit in order to sow some new seeds of inventiveness and mystery in people's fertile minds, all you're doing is permanently reducing a chunk of the show's ongoing appeal for the sake of some cheap short-term oohs and aahs. Ultimately it's rarely worth it.

Fortunately the show usually knows to always leave at least as many unanswered questions dangling at the end of a story as there were at the beginning. But PTS committed the cardinal sin—not of contradicting or retconning anything, that I'd be totally fine with... if it was toward a good purpose—but of being predictable. And it made for a good enough story in the moment, but that's the problem: it only answered questions, it didn't raise any new ones. And it answered those questions in the most straightforward, uncontroversial way possible, by not departing in any significant way from what any of us could have imagined happening that night in the castle.


I think I wrote about this somewhere. Ah, here: http://www.roundstable.com/2012/08/13/p ... -the-vest/ (lol pre-murder-charge Pistorius reference)
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:21 am

PaulloDEC wrote:
To put it another way, what we see or hear isn't always a 100% accurate record of events. Sometimes you only hear part of a story. Sometimes details are withheld or misreported. Sometimes people use figures of speech, or exaggerate for effect. Sometimes things can be misconstrued, or simply aren't as they seem.


And sometimes Twilight says Ponyville is hundreds of years old when it was actually founded by ponies still alive today! But that's not a contradiction, it just implies Twilight was wrong. I'm just saying that if we see something happen, then you kind of lose the right to reasonably speculate that it didn't happen that way. So suggesting that the flashback was "cut for time" and therefore "not the whole story" is fundamentally dishonest. And dishonesty in discussion is admittedly a huge peeve of mine.

Headless Horse wrote:I've said elsewhere recently that one of the show's great strengths is what it doesn't show.

That's definitely a fun way to look at things, personally most of my headcanons exist to explain things that don't happen rather than things that do happen. I perceive a lot more intentionality in something being absent than being present, you know?
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:24 am

The show definitely values characterization above plot. Looking at the "Age bracket" thread, this would be one of the things that would change if it was aimed at the Adventure Time or Gravity Falls audience.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:27 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:And sometimes Twilight says Ponyville is hundreds of years old when it was actually founded by ponies still alive today! But that's not a contradiction, it just implies Twilight was wrong. I'm just saying that if we see something happen, then you kind of lose the right to reasonably speculate that it didn't happen that way. So suggesting that the flashback was "cut for time" and therefore "not the whole story" is fundamentally dishonest. And dishonesty in discussion is admittedly a huge peeve of mine.


That's the thing though, we didn't see the actual events in either the pilot or the season four opener. In one we heard an incredibly vague retelling of the actual events, and in the other we saw a magically induced vision of the actual events. Neither of those strikes me as being the same as actually witnessing something first-hand. That's not to say that I think neither one is accurate, but it does introduce enough doubt to give some storytelling wiggle-room, as far as I'm concerned.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:32 am

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:The show definitely values characterization above plot. Looking at the "Age bracket" thread, this would be one of the things that would change if it was aimed at the Adventure Time or Gravity Falls audience.


In the early seasons sure, but since season 3 the characterization has consistently been reshaped to force a silly story.

PaulloDEC wrote:we saw a magically induced vision of the actual events

Yes, we saw a vision of the actual events. In fact, the visions being completely accurate is exactly how they find the Tree of Harmony. It is undeniably irrational to suppose that they weren't accurate.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:36 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:
In the early seasons sure, but since season 3 the characterization has consistently been reshaped to force a silly story.


Yes, we saw a vision of the actual events. In fact, the visions being completely accurate is exactly how they find the Tree of Harmony. It is undeniably irrational to suppose that they weren't accurate.


Hey, if you say so. The potion Twilight drank showed her what she needed to see, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest to accept that less important details might be up for grabs. That isn't something that seems unreasonable or irrational to me in a world of magical horses, but then my entire attitude to canon is to exploit any possible opening if it means events fit together better. I don't expect anyone else to adhere to my rules, naturally.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:59 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:And sometimes Twilight says Ponyville is hundreds of years old when it was actually founded by ponies still alive today! But that's not a contradiction, it just implies Twilight was wrong. I'm just saying that if we see something happen, then you kind of lose the right to reasonably speculate that it didn't happen that way. So suggesting that the flashback was "cut for time" and therefore "not the whole story" is fundamentally dishonest. And dishonesty in discussion is admittedly a huge peeve of mine.


Why? We're not watching actual video of historical events, we're watching a piece of entertainment that does its best to be consistent, but what we see is not necessarily canon. For instance, I was watching the first episode of the pilot today and I noticed that when Spike first sees Rarity he does that whole "so overcome with infatuation that he floats on air" thing, spinning his tail as a propeller. Now, obviously Spike can't fly, and if later he doesn't get over a pit by flying it's not a retcon. So yeah, just because we see something on screen, even if it isn't a flashback, doesn't mean it actually happened that way.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:08 am

Bremen wrote:what we see is not necessarily canon

Mm, yes. Yes it is.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:11 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:Mm, yes. Yes it is.


So.. Spike can fly? Twilight's magic can mess with the cut to black when an episode ends? Discord really makes Harry Potter and Star Wars references? Twilight can have an anvil fall on her head without injury?

In the end, the show is entertainment. It's not supposed to be a perfect portrayal of another world.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:25 am

Bremen wrote:
So.. Spike can fly? Twilight's magic can mess with the cut to black when an episode ends? Discord really makes Harry Potter and Star Wars references? Twilight can have an anvil fall on her head without injury?

In the end, the show is entertainment. It's not supposed to be a perfect portrayal of another world.


If it weren't canon, it wouldn't have happened.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:39 am

Dulset Tarn wrote:I'm of the opinion she hasn't had a good portrayal since season 2, but go watch Griffon the Brush Off and you'll see that the character in Pinkie Pride is actually a Bizarro Pinkie, with all the exact opposite traits that the real Pinkie has.


That's more or less the exact opposite of what I think. I'd honestly say that season one is when Pinkie was at her worst.
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Postby Dulset Tarn (?) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:44 am

Strangest Letter wrote:That's more or less the exact opposite of what I think. I'd honestly say that season one is when Pinkie was at her worst.

Ooh, gimme some examples :)
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