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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:10 pm

Yeah...I wrote most of these posts when I had a splitting headache for some reason. I did not mean any of it and I feel terrible about writing it. I don't like EQG but I definitely went overboard after reading my posts.

I'll go back and edit them. Again, I'm sorry for that and I ask forgiveness for my rants. :fluttersmith:
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:13 pm

Hey man, don't sweat it.

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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:12 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah...I wrote most of these posts when I had a splitting headache for some reason. I did not mean any of it and I feel terrible about writing it. I don't like EQG but I definitely went overboard after reading my posts.

I'll go back and edit them. Again, I'm sorry for that and I ask forgiveness for my rants. :fluttersmith:


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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:48 pm

I think Equestria Girls has its problems, but (fortunately) I think Hasbro's doing it with no concern for the "brony fandom". If anything, I just think it's a response to Monster High, which has been doing well. And Equestria Girls dolls have been doing well for them. I say good for them, make money. Especially considering we aren't the target audience, and that's why I don't groan all that much about EQG. I mean, it may be still part of MLP, but it's not part of FIM, I'd say.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:25 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:To me, it feels like the EqG characters were dumbed down to the target audience, possibly in an attempt to make them more relatable to said audience. Consider how Lauren Faust decided to make the Mane Six be adults (even if they did act somewhat immature, though this went away over the course of S1) instead of kids or teens. She felt that that'd make them more interesting characters without preventing kids from relating to them. When Hasbro decided to turn them into (ostensibly) human teenage girls, they sacrificed a lot of that relatability for whatever reason.

(I honestly feel like they're less relatable in EqG. Talking, often anthropomorphized, animals have been a staple of our art and literature for millennia, since without that human factor in the way it's a lot easier for us to see ourselves in them, their stories and lessons, etc.)



Fun note from the Journal that released recently:

Rainbow Dash has been in Ponyville 10 years as of Season 4, meaning she's likely at least in her mid-20's, considering she was a filly in Cloudsdale and wouldn't have moved before "high school age" at worst.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:45 pm

WandereringPony wrote:

Fun note from the Journal that released recently:

Rainbow Dash has been in Ponyville 10 years as of Season 4, meaning she's likely at least in her mid-20's, considering she was a filly in Cloudsdale and wouldn't have moved before "high school age" at worst.


I'm not sure if we can really consider pony ages on the show to be like human ages, because I don't think there is all that much hard evidence to support it. Since, the only extent of ages we really know, is Fluttershy is a year older than Pinkie Pie, and Sweetie Belle is more than 5 years old.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:48 pm

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I'm not sure if we can really consider pony ages on the show to be like human ages, because I don't think there is all that much hard evidence to support it. Since, the only extent of ages we really know, is Fluttershy is a year older than Pinkie Pie, and Sweetie Belle is more than 5 years old.

If they're like horse ages then Sweetie Belle would be well into adulthood, being over 5 and all.
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:53 pm

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:rariwhat: Sweetie Belle, dear, when I said yesterday "A day with you is like a decade" I only said that because your big sister had a really bad headache. You are *not* actually over the age of 20 now.

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:vogue: Eh, give it a shot.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:04 am

I assume ages in the show work like human ages, because they never suggest otherwise.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:35 am

Headless Horse wrote:I assume ages in the show work like human ages, because they never suggest otherwise.


With the massive amount of middle-aged ponies in the world, though, it could be that Ponies live an extended adult life.

Wasn't there something in the show suggesting Granny Smith was nearly 200 years old? Maybe that was more crazy theorycrafting surrounding how they always use the vague term "moons" to describe long stretches of time.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:44 am

I figure pony ages are equivalent to human ones, for example the mane 6 are in thier early 20's and Spike is 9 or 10.

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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:46 am

The Outlander wrote:Wasn't there something in the show suggesting Granny Smith was nearly 200 years old? Maybe that was more crazy theorycrafting surrounding how they always use the vague term "moons" to describe long stretches of time.

In Winter Wrap-Up, Twilight says that Ponyville has been wrapping up winter without magic for "hundreds of years". Therefore, Ponyville has existed for 200 years, at least.

We later learn that Granny Smith was around for the founding of Ponyville - and it's confirmed independently, so it's not just kooky old lady talk. Therefore, Granny Smith has been around at least as long as Ponyville.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:02 am

True, but in the absence of any dialogue explicitly laying out that ponies live for hundreds of years, I'm chalking that up to poorly thought out writing that tried to mash up WWU and FAD a little too carelessly. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:11 am

Headless Horse wrote:True, but in the absence of any dialogue explicitly laying out that ponies live for hundreds of years, I'm chalking that up to poorly thought out writing that tried to mash up WWU and FAD a little too carelessly. :pinkieshrug:


There's equally no reason for their life spans not to differ from humans, though. It's not necessary that lives default to the human standard. It's an easy excuse to make, at least.

Besides, I don't think they talk about age much. Just the same as how politics, relations with foreign cultures, and set-rules for the magic system aren't really issues, neither is age. They'll tell that part of the story when they get there, otherwise the only thing that matters is "baby, young, mature, old, timeless"
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:16 am

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:18 am

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There's equally no reason for their life spans not to differ from humans, though. It's not necessary that lives default to the human standard. It's an easy excuse to make, at least.

Besides, I don't think they talk about age much. Just the same as how politics, relations with foreign cultures, and set-rules for the magic system aren't really issues, neither is age. They'll tell that part of the story when they get there, otherwise the only thing that matters is "baby, young, mature, old, timeless"


Right, but if they're going to throw in a casual detail like "Ponyville was founded hundreds of years ago" in one episode and "Ponyville was founded within this one pony's lifetime" in another, the onus is on the writers to point out that they're not inconsistent. Otherwise it just comes across as confusing. It's an Occam's Razor thing. Something so significant ought to be given an explicit callout, and it would have if it had been intentional.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:33 am

The actual line from WWU is:

Twilight Sparkle: No Spike, Ponyville was started by Earth ponies, so for hundreds of years they've never used magic to clean up winter. It's traditional. [sigh]


So you could possibly skew your interpretation of "they've" as referring to Earth Ponies in general and not Ponyville specifically. Maybe. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:45 am

Oh it still works. I still think this happened right after Granny Smith left the schoolhouse.

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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:37 am

I believe Granny Smith is insane. She probably isn't even related to Applejack. :granny:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:40 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I believe Granny Smith is insane. She probably isn't even related to Applejack. :granny:


Aw, c'mon. Goldie is, and she's a bit..er...eccentric too. I think half of what Granny does is to mess with people, cause that's how far too many of my elders got their entertainment.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:55 am

So for anyone of you Transformers fans who might possibly be at Botcon this year, IDW is releasing a MLP/Transformers lithograph exclusive to the convention. It's just the artwork, there won't be a crossover comic or anything with it, but I still think it's worth mentioning, since it looks good. :vogue:

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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:58 am

Equestria is not the distant future of our earth, but of Westeros. The seasons are inconsistent in length, and with ponies let's say seasons define years, so it's perfectly reasonable for one normal pony to live 200 years, and other one to be an adult at 20. :twiright:
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:02 am

The Doctor wrote:Oh it still works. I still think this happened right after Granny Smith left the schoolhouse.

:iamapony: "OK, kids. That's not how our town was founded at all, but you should always humor your elders"

Granny Smith was on the selection committee for the Ponyville Days festival in Simple Ways because she was one of the founders of Ponyville. Either the entire town is in on humoring her, or she actually was there :wingsright:

Headless Horse wrote:True, but in the absence of any dialogue explicitly laying out that ponies live for hundreds of years, I'm chalking that up to poorly thought out writing that tried to mash up WWU and FAD a little too carelessly. :pinkieshrug:

Well yeah :pinkieshrug: I can't imagine the writers actually intended to imply that Granny Smith was multiple hundreds of years old.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:06 am

Considering that last year was a Pinkie Pie/Optimus teamup, it's only appropriate that Nightmare Moon and Megatron would want to get in on the action.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:19 am

Headless Horse wrote:
Right, but if they're going to throw in a casual detail like "Ponyville was founded hundreds of years ago" in one episode and "Ponyville was founded within this one pony's lifetime" in another, the onus is on the writers to point out that they're not inconsistent. Otherwise it just comes across as confusing. It's an Occam's Razor thing. Something so significant ought to be given an explicit callout, and it would have if it had been intentional.


Would it? That isn't really this team's style, in my mind. They're perfectly content to tell complete stories entirely through visuals, why shouldn't they just let their world stand on its own? I've never seen them as ones to draw special attention to things and make absolutely sure the audience understood particular elements of the world that they wanted to make clear. They're perfectly fine with you getting whatever experience you manage to extrapolate from what you're seeing on-screen. I like that they're so dedicated to not telling a carefully crafted story, to be honest. Traditional storytelling techniques would just mar the experience for me.

I guess you could call it lazy, because it's really just leaving so much open that they can't possibly screw things up by adding new concepts, but I still enjoy it. :allears:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:23 am

kefkafloyd wrote:Considering that last year was a Pinkie Pie/Optimus teamup, it's only appropriate that Nightmare Moon and Megatron would want to get in on the action.

Next year: Rainbow Dash and Astro-Train. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:57 am

Homeswirl wrote:Equestria is not the distant future of our earth, but of Westeros. The seasons are inconsistent in length, and with ponies let's say seasons define years, so it's perfectly reasonable for one normal pony to live 200 years, and other one to be an adult at 20. :twiright:


I read this as the future of Westworld and had a fun time picturing the android Yul Brynner in Equestria.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:36 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:I read this as the future of Westworld and had a fun time picturing the android Yul Brynner in Equestria.


I read this as Waterworld and was especially confused. :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:25 am

You know...Waterworld wasn't that bad of a movie. I thought the concept was interesting and Dennis Hopper was actually pretty good as the villain.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:12 pm

DaBatGuy wrote:So you could possibly skew your interpretation of "they've" as referring to Earth Ponies in general and not Ponyville specifically. Maybe. :pinkieshrug:

The "hundreds of years" referring not necessarily to Ponyville's founding but to the ancestral ways of earth ponies feels like the most reasonable interpretation to me, really. Same goes for them aging like humans, considering the hard evidence we have of Sweetie Belle's appearance and behavior when she was 5. (And given the way that getting a cutie mark has always been presented as a puberty/coming-of-age analogue, I always figured she and her friends were somewhere around 11 or 12 now.)
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:39 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:44 pm

Huh...I am not sure how to feel about this. :ponder:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:05 pm

Homeswirl wrote:Equestria is not the distant future of our earth, but of Westeros. The seasons are inconsistent in length, and with ponies let's say seasons define years, so it's perfectly reasonable for one normal pony to live 200 years, and other one to be an adult at 20. :twiright:


Turns out that "the stallion that will mount the world" was meant literally.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:32 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I believe Granny Smith is insane. She probably isn't even related to Applejack. :granny:


I'm down with this interpretation for a number of reasons.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:53 am

Frosthawk wrote:
I'm down with this interpretation for a number of reasons.


There's no proof she's their real grandmother if they have no parents. :-I
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:02 am

Granny Smith isn't actually Granny Smith, she's a phony named Grandmother Peachbottoms. The REAL Granny Smith shows up, apparently gotton lost at a parking lot in Ponyville Shopping Mall years ago, so Peachbottoms decided to step in and take care of Applejack and siblings.

Eventually the real Granny Smith finally gets out of the parking lot and arrives at the farm, blowing the cover. Peachbottoms leaves, but Applejack and everyone else in Ponyville hates the real Smith, so they chase her out on train. Peachbottoms is welcomed back, and Princess Twilight Sparkle announces that they are to never bring this incident up ever again on the penalty of torture.

Not only do the Bronies hate this episode, but so do Tara Strong and a lot of the other staff members.
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Postby Peregrine (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:05 am

Homeswirl wrote:Equestria is not the distant future of our earth, but of Westeros.


:twismug: "I got word that the White Walkers are coming. We'd better wrap up winter early."

:granny: "And that's how ponies inherited Westeros."
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:34 am

Mr. Big wrote:Granny Smith isn't actually Granny Smith, she's a phony named Grandmother Peachbottoms. The REAL Granny Smith shows up, apparently gotton lost at a parking lot in Ponyville Shopping Mall years ago, so Peachbottoms decided to step in and take care of Applejack and siblings.

Eventually the real Granny Smith finally gets out of the parking lot and arrives at the farm, blowing the cover. Peachbottoms leaves, but Applejack and everyone else in Ponyville hates the real Smith, so they chase her out on train. Peachbottoms is welcomed back, and Princess Twilight Sparkle announces that they are to never bring this incident up ever again on the penalty of torture.

Not only do the Bronies hate this episode, but so do Tara Strong and a lot of the other staff members.

If they're going to knock off The Simpsons, they had better damn well do a 22 Short Films About Springfield episode first.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:36 am

On Age:. all ponies are immortal because Toons never die unless you put em in dip, as confirmed by roger rabbit. :twiright:


Also, there's gonna be. DJPON3/SoundWave comic cover for a Transformers comic at Botcon as well!!



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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:19 am

Mr. Big wrote:Granny Smith isn't actually Granny Smith, she's a phony named Grandmother Peachbottoms. The REAL Granny Smith shows up, apparently gotton lost at a parking lot in Ponyville Shopping Mall years ago, so Peachbottoms decided to step in and take care of Applejack and siblings.

Eventually the real Granny Smith finally gets out of the parking lot and arrives at the farm, blowing the cover. Peachbottoms leaves, but Applejack and everyone else in Ponyville hates the real Smith, so they chase her out on train. Peachbottoms is welcomed back, and Princess Twilight Sparkle announces that they are to never bring this incident up ever again on the penalty of torture.

Not only do the Bronies hate this episode, but so do Tara Strong and a lot of the other staff members.


Don't give them any ideas! :twonk:
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