M02: Equestria Girls - Rainbow Rocks

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Re: M02: Equestria Girls - Rainbow Rocks

Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:59 pm

That was freaking incredible :awesomedash: I can't wait for it to come out in not-camcorder quality so I can watch it again.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:01 pm

Same is it October 23 yet? :allears:
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:04 pm

Downloaded the camrip before YouTube can delete it. (Nearest theater is about two hours from here and money is tight for a while.) Still have to watch it. From the sound of things, it might be a buy when it comes on DVD.

Wayoshi wrote:Anyone else kinda pissed off we get actual good-looking credit art... but none of it is of ponies?

EqG can really go die. :black101:


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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:06 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Anyone else kinda pissed off we get actual good-looking credit art... but none of it is of ponies?

EqG can really go die. :black101:


Actually I think the end credit art is awesome and I want prints of it. :awesomedash:

@DerDurShur: Actuslly it's the 28th it comes out on DVD/BD. But it's supposedly airing on the Hu...er Discovery Family on the 17th!!

And yea, I think The show staff knew exactly what they were doing when they put those two together on the piano & knew exactly how fans would interpret it! XD
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:08 pm

Ah dang an extra five days oh well I'll definitely be watching it on TV

Also yeah I'm sorry but that scene....yeah so anyway who else loved how anime a lot more stuff was this time around? I wonder if that was something new that the new co-director brought to the table.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:13 pm

Yea, Ishi admitted on his Twitter he & some of the EQG staff were big anime/Sailor Moon fans. So I think he deffinantly had a hand in the Magical Girl Meets JEM feel the movie had, along with Meghan & co.

I for one am good with this as long as they keep borrowing good anime tropes & not the more... Misogonistic ones we see in modern anime at times. :-/

If this series is gonna be Pony's Pretty Cure/Sailor Moon/Madoka I'm done with that! :allears: :gotcha:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:18 pm

Hell a magical girl series was pretty much what I said would be the sure fix for Equestria Girls....then they decided to go Gainax with the final battle :v:

Cars transforming into a DJ Battle Tank, Giant Laser Alicorns, Hippocampi spirits, it was great dumb fun
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:41 pm

DerFurShur wrote:Hell a magical girl series was pretty much what I said would be the sure fix for Equestria Girls....then they decided to go Gainax with the final battle :v:

Cars transforming into a DJ Battle Tank, Giant Laser Alicorns, Hippocampi spirits, it was great dumb fun



Somebody turn the final battle between the Dazzlings & Rainbooms into a PMV with this song now please! :gotcha: :awesomedash:

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:43 pm

The Dazzlers SUMMONED THEIR PERSONAS! :black101:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:49 pm

Aramek wrote:The Dazzlers SUMMONED THEIR PERSONAS! :black101:



Personally, I'd bet good money, that that was a nod/reference to Scott Pilgrim.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:50 pm

Saw it, and well, damn. I guess I'll have to eat crow, since I was pretty much 100% convinced it was going to be a trainwreck. Instead, it was pretty damn good. The movie as a whole had a lot of fun with its concept and the script was far beyond the original (which, frankly, after seeing this, I have to say sucks eggs), and while I admit that some parts of it still felt a bit too convenient for me, I'll give it a pass since overall, the story was cohesive and nothing sticks out too badly.

But yeah, the "fun" aspect of it really sold it to me. It was just such a joy to watch and went by really quickly, and I actually thought some of the jokes were pretty funny too. In comparison to EqG, which felt like it had needless padding and scenes (like the Luna office one) that really made no goddamn sense and had no place in the movie, this one just flows and gels together really well. I really don't know how to explain it, but this movie just feels really "tight", I suppose. No extra bullshit, but also no major pacing issues either, which is fantastic for this show. In fact, although I wish it was a 90-minuter just to give it even more breathing room and time to establish things just a tinge more, I don't even mind the fact that it's only 73 minutes in length.

So, well, fuck. I'm happy it turned out to be really good after all, and have no major complaints. Well maybe that last Brad/Twi scene should've been cut out, because it just felt out of place after almost all of their interactions in this movie were composed solely of possessed Brad being a jerk to Twi.

And thus begins the wait for the possible EqA series. I'd almost say probable now, what with the ending "letters to Twi" thing and Dougworld Twi showing an interest at the recent happenings at CHS - it just seems like too much stuff to establish and too much content to do justice to within the confines of a single 70-odd minute movie. I hope they stick with the band theme though, because as much as the instrument and equipment inconsistencies bothered me throughout the movie, I can ignore it just because the idea is really great and fun. Plus also the inevitable "Sunset and Dash dueling with guitars" scene. Fuck yeah. Maybe they'll also give Flutters more instruments to play and switch between, because jeez with the tambourine thing already.

Regarding that whole Lyra/Bon-Bon thing: I'm really not sure what to think at this point. I did a bit of a double-take when I first saw that part, but assumed in good faith that I misinterpreted something in that scene or was just seeing things or something. But man, seeing it in picture form like that... It really looks like a ship tease. I'm honestly surprised that was even included in the movie, I would've thought Hasbro would've had that edited on the basis that even if unintentional, it could easily be misinterpreted.

Oh, and one last thing I almost forgot, I really liked how this felt more like an actual movie rather than a direct-to-video feature receiving a limited theater run. I guess they actually wanted it to be a proper movie this time, so a lot more polish went into everything. Even the intro is miles above the cheap "After Effects with some Flash puppets and YouTube-grade fan remix of main tune" fest of EqG.

Overall rating: Yep, it was a Dougworld pony movie/10
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Postby Juniper Phoenix (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:08 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:@DerDurShur: Actuslly it's the 28th it comes out on DVD/BD. But it's supposedly airing on the Hu...er Discovery Family on the 17th!!

Would the moratorium for it be over after it airs, or after the Blu-ray/DVD versions are released? I've got a couple of things in mind as a potential avatar. :allears:
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:09 pm

One thing that bugs me about the CHS universe is the equations of human age to pony age. Sunset Shimmer is clearly Twilight Sparkles senior by enough margin that she was already an adult sized pony by the time she ditched for the CHS, then spent at least three years in the pony universe for three fall formals, yet she's represented as being the same age and social group of the rest of the group and Twilight when she comes through the portal. The Dazzlings also spend what must amount to centuries in CHS universe and remain as teenagers.

This means one of three things, as far as I can tell:
1) Ponies transported to CHSville are time locked in age to their equivalent age in Equestria, and Ponies are just considered adults sooner than humans. This means Sunset Shimmer will be stuck in a Twilight the book perpetually in high-school experience until she returns to Equestria
2) Humans of CHSville age much more slowly than they do in our world, and spend a longer time in puberty because of it
3) I'm putting way more thought into this than the show makers did.

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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:16 pm

Juniper Apple wrote:Would the moratorium for it be over after it airs, or after the Blu-ray/DVD versions are released? I've got a couple of things in mind as a potential avatar. :allears:


Me too! :allears:

Also yeah I think trying to convert the ages between a magical fantasy world with a less-magical-but-still-more-magical world would be a bit too much

Besides I like to think Principal Celestia and Vice Principal Luna have been running CHS for over a thousand years after they freed it from the tyranny of Headmaster Discord.....eand then Luna tried to take over the school as its sole administrator
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:17 pm

@Ghost: Andy Price said on his Twitter last year that as far as he was concerned time moves differently in the two worlds. But that's just one comic writers opinion.


As for me, as much as this may annoy some, I just don't think it matters. Both FIM & EQG have Floating/Hovering timelines and really cartoons/anime are allowed to make up what ever rules they want even if they don't make sense to us, cause fictional worlds aren't our world, even if set fictional world does have humans in it. I mean its the same reason the characters in Archie comics & Simpsons never really age outside of what if episodes. Toons are immortal, time can pass all it wants, but it doesn't matter or effect them unless directly relivant to the story.

But yes I agree by Eauestrian time, Sunset should be older then TWY, but hey...who knows. Maybe ponies are related to timelords. XD
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:40 pm

Juniper Apple wrote:Would the moratorium for it be over after it airs, or after the Blu-ray/DVD versions are released? I've got a couple of things in mind as a potential avatar. :allears:

It would only be fair for it to be after the TV airing.

Ember: clearly #3. :-P Let's not pretend this is somehow actually good, even though it's a few steps up from the first movie. You still have weird wordbuilding (for example, Sweet Apple Acres is shown to have a Dougworld equivalent after all. But why is Granny Smith then working as a cafeteria lady at the school? And why is the damn school called Canterlot High if we ARE roughly in Ponyville in Dougworld?), you still have Twi/Brad being terribly cliche and :notthisshitagain: , etc.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:43 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

Personally, I'd bet good money, that that was a nod/reference to Scott Pilgrim.


As soon as I saw Dragon Spirits come free, I couldn't see any way it wasn't Scott Pilgrim, and I'm pretty sure I got the first vibe as soon as Adagio talked about a true battle of the bands. When we had sonic soundwaves and other Fighting with the Power of Music, it was really hard not to get that vibe.

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SoundMonkey44 wrote:@Ghost: Andy Price said on his Twitter last year that as far as he was concerned time moves differently in the two worlds. But that's just one comic writers opinion.


As for me, as much as this may annoy some, I just don't think it matters. Both FIM & EQG have Floating/Hovering timelines and really cartoons/anime are allowed to make up what ever rules they want even if they don't make sense to us, cause fictional worlds aren't our world, even if set fictional world does have humans in it. I mean its the same reason the characters in Archie comics & Simpsons never really age outside of what if episodes. Toons are immortal, time can pass all it wants, but it doesn't matter or effect them unless directly relivant to the story.

But yes I agree by Eauestrian time, Sunset should be older then TWY, but hey...who knows. Maybe ponies are related to timelords. XD


The easy way I see it is 'Until Twilight stabilized a world-bridge, the worlds ran on different timescales - around 3-4 years Equestria per 1 year CHS', which'd be why Twi & Sunset are roughly equivalent in age at that point.

Though I suppose Twilight would be considerably older since she's an adult in S1 and we're after S4 when this takes place. Eh! Fuzzy logic!
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:44 pm

Wayoshi wrote: Let's not pretend this is somehow actually good, even though it's a few steps up from the first movie.


There's no pretending, I legitimately think this was good, awesome, super fun, and am going to enjoy watching it multiple times in the future.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:55 pm

You'll find no pretending here. I enjoyed the first Equestria Girls and even I know this is a far superior product and I really don't think it has any real flaws. I mean people where I used to live had gardens that ranged to small-scale farms and really don't see how that was a problem.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:59 pm

@Wayoshi

No ones pretending, many genuinely enjoyed it. Sorry if that bothers you.

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Also, again on the age thing, fans just assume the mane six were/are adults. They weren't given ages for a reason, they have both childish & mature personality traits because they are meant to relate to the audiance. We like these characters because they have traits' quarks or problems you can relate to, to some degree at least. They are kids, Tweens, Teens & adults all at once, wrapped up into one cute little package.

For all we know you could be allowed to move out of home & start your own business in Equestria at the age of 13 if you don't decide to do further schooling, academy, whatever and already have your cutie mark, there's still lots of things about Equestrian society, aging etc, we don't know and probably never will because outside of fanfics those things don't seem to matter at the moment.

The only thing we do know for sure is that Fluttershy is a year older then Pinkie Pie. *and I'm pretty sure that line was just in there for laughs at Pinks calling herself Flutes Auntie.*


But yeah, back on topic of the movie.
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Back to Sunset. I eagerly look forward to see what Meghan & Ishi have planned for her! And as for EQG/EQA in general, while I'm sure it'll be a mix of slice of life & action eps like FIM is, I do agree in the hope they keep the musical magical girl theme, it seems to work well for em.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:03 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Ember: clearly #3. :-P Let's not pretend this is somehow actually good, even though it's a few steps up from the first movie. You still have weird wordbuilding (for example, Sweet Apple Acres is shown to have a Dougworld equivalent after all. But why is Granny Smith then working as a cafeteria lady at the school? And why is the damn school called Canterlot High if we ARE roughly in Ponyville in Dougworld?), you still have Twi/Brad being terribly cliche and :notthisshitagain: , etc.

Wait, what? I mean I get that you didn't like it very much, but are you seriously dismissing the opinion of everyone who did like it by claiming that it's just "pretending"? I see people have already commented on this, but I just wanted to say that to me that comment just rubs the wrong way. And it's simply because I don't like feeling that my opinions are being outright dismissed by someone in the very thread I posted them in, even if it's on something as relatively meaningless as if the latest EqG movie was good or not. :-/

e: I mean, yeah, that didn't seem to be directed at anyone in particular (besides Ember, I suppose), but in this context it just looks so dismissive that it frankly pisses me off a bit.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:21 pm

By any objective measure, it isn't good. Everyone can have their opinions, but this is a fact: a true pony movie of the same effort would be miles better than EqG2.

What I'm fearing is that there will be enough positive feedback that we'll never get a pony movie, which would be the most toyetic shame Hasbro would have let happen in the whole franchise.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:28 pm

Wayoshi wrote:By any objective measure, it isn't good. Everyone can have their opinions, but this is a fact: a true pony movie of the same effort would be miles better than EqG2.



That is some of the most bias, elitist BS I have ever seen!

Even "objective" measures have subjective bias based on perception. No human being can be truly objective in judging a piece of art/entertainment and nothing in such realm, for better or worse is absolute bad or good. Everything is opinion. Everything has some level of bias, be it positive or negative.

So take your supposed professional objectivity and shove it where the sun don't shine!! :unenthused:


Just beacuse you're a mod doesn't mean your view is more right or holds more weight then anyone else here!! :rainbert:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:30 pm

You can't really objectively prove a movie is better simply because it'll have ponies in it, since you're playing the "objectively good" card.

Also it's not this film's fault if Hasbro never makes a pony movie, if it's that important to you write to them, don't take your frustrations out on a film and those that genuinely enjoyed it.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:37 pm

The alternate generic high school dimension concept, for a prom queen contest and a battle of the bands contest, is so terribly bad compared to FiM's premise, I think there is quite a bit of objectivity to this matter. And I think Lauren Faust not only would fully agree, but absolutely agrees, although I doubt she is too aware of EqG2. I'm sure EqG1 sickened her, though.

Is this a good movie given the crappy concepts it's saddled with. Admittedly, yes, they didn't do that bad of a job. Is it a good movie under FiM standards? Hell no.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:43 pm

Sorry, but it just doesn't work like that. You can't just claim something is objectively not good because that's always going to be your subjective opinion. And in this particular context, it makes even less sense, since a statement that basically sums up as "it's not up to FiM's quality standard" is subjective as all hell. I'd get it if we were talking about genocide (extreme example, but it's kinda late so please excuse me), I mean, sure, there you could say that "genocide is objectively not good" and I doubt that anyone would care to be pedantic and argue that it's just a subjective opinion in the end, but here it's just asinine to talk about objectiveness.

I just don't understand. Why is it impossible for someone to think this movie is good? Why are their opinions somehow not valid if they like this movie?
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:49 pm

The year is 2014 and we're still playing the Lauren Faust card like it means a damn lol.

But again I don't see how a premise automatically condemns or justifies a product's "objective quality" (even though objective quality isn't a real thing since this is all personal opinion)

Look we get it, you don't like EQG and you never will, and the fact that it hasn't failed and died no matter how hard you hate is probably a tough personal loss, but to make the claim that those who genuinely like it are deluding themselves is pretty amazingly arrogant
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Postby Juniper Phoenix (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:53 pm

Wayoshi wrote: And I think Lauren Faust not only would fully agree, but absolutely agrees, although I doubt she is too aware of EqG2.

So? It's not her show anymore, first of all. Second, why should anyone allow the opinions (hypothetical ones at that) of staff members, former or not, to influence their own? Finally, expressing why you don't like it is fine, but putting words into Lauren's mouth does the exact opposite of strengthen your argument. :glare:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:57 pm

Like, I don't really care for the toyline and character designs because I think they're far too stick-thin unhealthy and thus contribute to the same cultural problems we have regarding body image.

I doubt I will ever buy any of the EQG toys as a result, although I will admit the more recent designs show much more creativity than the first set, so I shan't say never - Ponies have proven me wrong too many times already.

The point is, just because I don't like them doesn't mean it's true for others - we have people on here who really like the EQG dolls, and they are clearly financially successful. A measure of quality is subjective. I mean, I enjoy Doom : Repercussions of Evil unironically because it's a brilliant jab at horribly written fiction, but I am sure there are plenty who don't see it that way. And with Rainbow Rocks, well - the consensus here so far seems to be far more positive than negative.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:00 am

CW_Wonder wrote:I just don't understand. Why is it impossible for someone to think this movie is good? Why are their opinions somehow not valid if they like this movie?

I don't know how to go "It's Wayoshi, just ignore it." without it sounding way more mean than it is intended. :pinkieshrug: Wayoshi just has badpinions on the movie/comic issues/episodes. And that's okay. He's just wrong.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:11 am

It's not the opinion on Rainbow Rocks that bothers me, it's the insistence that those who don't share it are wrong. I don't think he's wrong for not liking it, highschool settings aren't everyone's cup of tea. Many anime fans don't like Slice of Life shows and that's fine. What isn't fine are anime fans who think people who like that genre like "bad anime".

So yeah I don't think everyone has to like the movie or that they aren't entitled to criticize what they didn't like (I still don't care much for Flash Sentry personally) but to say things like "it's objectively bad" or "alright guys we can stop pretending this is good" and the like I think is not cool.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:15 am

When someone says something is objectively bad and you enjoy it, you just have to let them know they're wrong until they crumble to your superior opinion. :v:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:18 am

If this movie has taught me anything, it's that the only way to combat hate is with friendship......and transformer cars and giant space laser alicorns that shoot rainbows.

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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:19 am

I'm not a huge fan of Highschool settings but Harry Potter 'Magic Highschool' just made the biggest splash in the fantasy world since Tolkien, so it can't be an inherently bad concept.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:24 am

I can understand where Wayoshi is coming from we all have/ have had views like that on some form of media we feel that way about. I used to think anyone who liked Shows I didn't like were wrong and bad. But you know what. That's childish & petty and It is/was wrong of me to think people were wrong for liking anime/toons I didn't like.

But yea. Weather a movie is good or bad is a subjective opinion. NEVER A FACT! No matter how popular set opinion is.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:41 am

I can't wait to see the movie is non-skipping-freezing format! :v:
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:55 am

Wayoshi wrote:Let's not pretend this is somehow actually good, even though it's a few steps up from the first movie.


You didn't like the movie, and that's perfectly fine. Everyone should be free to express their own opinion and discuss the production's overall quality. But the minute you tell someone that the reason people find something good is because they're deluding themselves, or are faking their enthusiasm, or are just plain wrong or ignorant, I am done listening to you. I don't care if you did like the movie and said the same thing about people who didn't; it would still be insulting and wrong.

I just saw the movie. Is it flawless? No, it isn't. Not all of the songs worked, the design is still weird, and there wasn't enough pony. That said, I still not only enjoyed the act of watching it, but found myself becoming engrossed in what was going on. The first movie didn't have that; outside of the amusing gags about Twilight acting like a pony in human form and Spike being at some of his most awesome, a lot of that one was genuinely mediocre. Here, I gave a damn about the plot. I cared about Sunset Shimmer's plight. I cared about Twilight struggling to be the answer when she's out of her league. I cared about the villains and how they were going to be stopped. They threw in genuine surprises and twists on the old formulas, whereas the first film played things entirely straight but with humans instead of ponies. And while there were some weak songs, I can at least say that I enjoyed several of them.

Wayoshi wrote:By any objective measure, it isn't good. Everyone can have their opinions, but this is a fact: a true pony movie of the same effort would be miles better than EqG2.


We've only had one true theatrical pony movie, and that was back in G1. And that movie was terrible and even more toyetic than any three seasons of FiM put together.

If you mean a G4 movie, we don't have anything to base that opinion on. We have only two movies with human characters and 91 episodes of ponies. Multiplying out run times, that comes out to about two-and-a-half hours of humans and over a day's worth of pony episodes. The ratio is so horribly unbalanced that there is no way to get a proper sample, which means that we can't prove our hypothesis until a pony movie comes out or the humans get enough of a television adaptation that we have an adequate base with which to test our hypothesis.

You know, this was the kind of bullshit that I came to this site to get away from.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:01 am

I gotta agree with insert. TRS is the only forum I can enjoy going to, to some degree anymore. But even the charm of this place is wearing off. I wanna say I'm done with forums for good. But I know that would be a lie... If nothing else I'll deffinantly start wasting less time on em.

I'm tired of toxic nerd culture in every form. Be it the you know what with the brodudes attacking the comic or elitist attitudes over episodes/movies here or forums in general... I'm deff cutting down my net time.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:12 am

Alright to change the discussion back towards discussing the movie itself I wanna add that I really liked how this is the first "big" pony-related event (out of both EQG films and all the FIM two-parters) that actually downplays Twilight's prominence. She's still a part of the group and serves as a sort of leader from most of it, but it goes out of its way to have Twilight NOT be the one who ultimately "saves the day". She's put out of her element, being handed a magic she isn't necessarily familiar with and she actually struggles with it and it takes a serious hit on her confidence.

Then it's Sunset, not Twilight who rallies the Humane 5 and then it's only when all of them (Sunset included) joins them that they ultimately defeat the Dazzlings.

I don't know I just thought it was neat how they inverted the "Twilight always saves the day" trope.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:20 am

I agree. I think that's really what helped the movie hit a home run. It finally acknowledged other ponies then Twilight could be the hero responsible for saving the day.


I also love Adagio's face during the battle when she realized they've lost.
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It's just like "oh no...not again!"


I hope we see the Dazzlings again someday. Even if they lost their magic. They're still fun chars IMO.
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