M02: Equestria Girls - Rainbow Rocks

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Re: M02: Equestria Girls - Rainbow Rocks

Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:30 pm

Flash is every generic love interest ever, he just happens to be male instead of female so years of stories with generic female love interests smashed into otherwise decent stories hasn't erased ones ability to smell the overpowering odor of bad writing. It's the stinky cheese in the perfect juicy hamburger of many a tale.

At the very least Twilight's objective in both movies isn't 'win the heart of the love interest!' like 99% of all male coming-of-age stories are.

On the bright side, it means they might stuff him in the fridge at some future point.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:38 pm

@GOE stuffed in a fridge? Nah, he'll become Sunsets boytoy again or a Guinia Pig for that workd's Twilights creepy scientific experiments.

Edit: The Blu-Ray Release will have all 8 prequel shorts!! *ok 2 of em are just non cannon music videos. But you know what I mean! :p*. It'll Also have music video versions of songs from the Actual movie *
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:27 am

Alright cool I was just wondering a couple of minutes ago if they would include the shorts with the movie when it's released.
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:40 am

The Outlander wrote:I don't like Brad so I call him Brad because he's lame and it doesn't matter what his real name is. He doesn't deserve to be called by his real name because he is a bad character that brings nothing to the movies nor the franchise other than to be something for Twilight to ignore and occasionally engage in cringey, super-stereotypical highschool romance with that I've seen ten-thousand times and hated all those other times too. He didn't change at all in this movie except by being in it slightly less, so he's still Brad to me until he earns his characterization and therefore a name.


...yeah, I still don't get how this forum can have people that think this, and yet equally be populated by people that get pissed off at the thought of a conversation that brings up the possibility of pony Lyra and pony Bon Bon dating.
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Postby Discord (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:51 am

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...yeah, I still don't get how this forum can have people that think this, and yet equally be populated by people that get pissed off at the thought of a conversation that brings up the possibility of pony Lyra and pony Bon Bon dating.


...Because they don't like shipping/sincere efforts of romance in pony? :pinkieshrug:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your argument is:

Premise: People here don't like Flash and Flash x Twilight because it's cliché, boring romance.
Premise 2 : Lyra and Bon Bon would not be a cliché romance.
Premise 3: People here dislike the idea of Lyra x Bon Bon.
Conclusion: People here should not dislike Lyra x Bon Bon.

Except there's many other reasons why people might not like the latter, and are well within reason to just not like shipping/romance in ponies.
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Postby QuillNSofa (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:53 am

Mostly because Lyra and BonBon are only hints and sugestions rather then two characters being shoved together because they are 'in love' just for 'oves' sake.

But I wouldn't go as far as saying Flash Sentry doesn't deserve a name. He is fine, bland, but fine. Maybe when the spin off show starts we will get characterization and a reason to actually care about him.

Love is a valid idea even in a kids show, and I personally don't think gender maters. I think the best treatment of romance in a show kids are watching would be one like Mr. and Mrs. Cake. Present but not over the top and not thrown in the face of the viewers.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:01 am

We'll if Human LyraBon is cannon to ishi it's cannon to me! XD

As for ponies... Yeah outside of married couples *and maybe Cheerimac* everything else is fan speculation. But I think cannon realstionships are fine as long as they don't over do it. Which I doubt they ever would, I believe Meghan mentioned stuff like that would never go past light flirting if they ever did do it. But it's not as big a deal to pony as other shows, so we don't need to worry about it ATM.
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Postby Discord (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:05 am

The issue I have with Brad x Twilight is it feels like it spits in the face of almost everything FiM has done with romance before.

Firstly, you have 6 excellent, independent, female protagonists, along with Celestia, all meant to be good role models to young girls, all of who (besides Rarity) has absolutely no interest in romance. This is a refreshing change of pace compared to, say, Disney, and a whole lot of other media, which tends to give some kind of romantic coupling to their female characters, and have it be part of a "happily-ever-after" fantasy. That's not to say that romance is bad, but there are many paths to happiness, and it's nice to have a show demonstrate that by offering role models who are taking different paths to happiness outside of romance.

And the show goes out of its way to make fun of sappy romance clichés at the start. You have Rarity and Blueblood, which makes fun of the prince fairytale dream, completely deflates the idea of being whisked off by a fairytale prince, and has a hilariously fun time doing it.

You have Hearts and Hooves Day, which makes fun of super sappy romance cliches, and also has a hilariously fun time doing it.

Eve though A Canterlot Wedding is a thing, it at least only tried sincere romance with two minor characters, and added enough intrigue to make it work.

So, up until EqG, FiM had firmly estabilished itself as wanting to be separate from the normal clichés of romance that are prevalent in young girls media, and in fact counter and make fun of them at times.

Then Brad comes along, and its every terrible, boring, romance cliché played completely straight. "Here's this guy who is kind of nice to me, but I know next to nothing about, but we bumped into eachother twice, so I like him all of a sudden now!" It's stupid, it's beyond Twilight's maturity, and it completely contradicts the show's prior progressive efforts when it comes to romance. EqG2 is no improvement on it; it's only slightly more bearable by being somewhat expected.

It's not to say that the show can never tackle romance sincerely. I think it did a pretty good job in "Simple Ways". But if they're going to ever put one of these characters in a sincere permanent romance, they need to do it with more care than this. They'd need to actually develop the male character, and make them more substantive. They'd need to make the falling in love process more believable than a couple of chance bumps. They'd need to really make an effort to show what a healthy relationship looks like, while also not having the romance overshadow either character, or their other pursuits.

Which would honestly take far too much time to do, and thus, the show is probably better off avoiding it.

Maybe a EqG TV show could explore it, but they'd need to give it more time to develop, as opposed to the awful, clumsy quickness the two films give to it.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:10 am

Oh I agree, Twy X Human Flash is tacked on and not going anywhere fast, but perhaps a EQG TV show could work his character better and have him end up back with Sunset. But I agree they would need to develop his character a lot more first to make him worthy of any of the mane six, human or Pony.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:23 am

I totally admit I dislike Human Brad because he's a super cliche generic love interest with 0 personality who sweeps Twilight off her feet by simply smiling at her and haha sorry and so on and so on and basically if cut entirely, EQG 1 & 2 would lose absolutely nothing except someone else would have to show Luna how the pictures were photoshopped.

However, that's not why I call him Brad. I just call him Brad because it remains endlessly funny for me to do so, even 18 months later :gotcha:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:30 am

This may be surprising but many of us also think Brad is a boring hunk of cardboard who serves literally no purpose but be the romantic interest (name literally one thing he does in 1 that doesn't boil down to 'because he likes Twilight') and also think the people who say 'Lyra and Bonbon are next to eachother a lot THEY MUST BE LEZBOS' are gross.

Though I will say goddamn that piano moment was pretty...close...
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:31 am

Discord wrote:Except there's many other reasons why people might not like the latter, and are well within reason to just not like shipping/romance in ponies.


Actually it was more the idea that Flash hasn't "earned" his characterization, yet tens of thousands of fics involving Lyra and Bon Bon as a couple, with tremendous uniformity in their personalities and histories between fics, isn't enough "characterization" for the Powers That Be to allow it here.

Discord wrote:It's not to say that the show can never tackle romance sincerely. I think it did a pretty good job in "Simple Ways". But if they're going to ever put one of these characters in a sincere permanent romance, they need to do it with more care than this. They'd need to actually develop the male character, and make them more substantive. They'd need to make the falling in love process more believable than a couple of chance bumps.


The thing is, his character is so minor even in the first movie that I can't understand the distaste for him. Yes, he's filling a quota, but that's essentially all he does, and he does it so unobtrusively to boot. Not to mention that as unrealistic as you might find the speed of Flash and Twilight going on their first "date," the only difference between it and my high school girlfriend was that for me it took about a week rather than the, what, three days that the first Equestria Girls takes place over? And my first date at least ended with a kiss, and transformed into a three-year relationship. So nothing felt "unreal" to me, at least. I dunno, we all have different high school experiences.

shotgunbadger wrote:Though I will say goddamn that piano moment was pretty...close...


Considering that they're sitting together on the same seat playing piano together while looking lovingly into each others' eyes while their cheeks touching, it would be outright denial to try and claim that human Lyra and human Bon Bon aren't a couple (but, as Pony!Twi and Pony!Flash show, this doesn't necessarily conform to their pony counterparts).

Also, the human Lyra and human Bon Bon are, for all intents and purposes, confirmed:

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:39 am

Another thing to remember is these are two separate worlds, so what may or may not end up happening or becoming Cannon or destroying fannon in one world may be different in another. I doubt FIM will ever go deeper then it has into any form of Romance. But EQG is about human teens so it may be an element. Not a large one mind you, but I feel it may be there abit more then in FIM. Be it BG teases, or a mane char interacting with another in such a way.

Meghan did say back after the first EQG that the more chances she got to work on it, the more she would try to do things with it they couldn't do with FIM.

But yeah, just have to wait & see.

As for FIM ponies though yeah, They have too many other things to do then waste time shipping ponies, they'll continue to leave that to the fans. XD
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Postby Discord (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:42 am

Actually it was more the idea that Flash hasn't "earned" his characterization, yet tens of thousands of fics involving Lyra and Bon Bon as a couple, with tremendous uniformity in their personalities and histories between fics, isn't enough "characterization" for the Powers That Be to allow it here.


Because it's not canon (...except maybe in this movie).

Those fics and characterizations don't need validation here. They can get it elsewhere. And people here who would be interested in those can look for it elsewhere.


The thing is, his character is so minor even in the first movie that I can't understand the distaste for him. Yes, he's filling a quota, but that's essentially all he does, and he does it so unobtrusively to boot. Not to mention that as unrealistic as you might find the speed of Flash and Twilight going on their first "date," the only difference between it and my high school girlfriend was that for me it took about a week rather than the, what, three days that the first Equestria Girls takes place over? And my first date at least ended with a kiss, and transformed into a three-year relationship. So nothing felt "unreal" to me, at least. I dunno, we all have different high school experiences.


He's minor, but that's also worse in some ways, in the sense of "why even bother then?" And in his limited screen time he triggers so many pet peeves it's awful, and I find it completely obtrusive.

It's not just the speed, it's the content of interactions. They literally consist of bumping into each-other twice and Flash doing one nice thing for her before it's a full crush. They don't say more than a couple of sentences to each other. Which I just find to be kind of bull. I am admittedly not knowledgeable in the realms of romance, but it just reeks of unrealism to me.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:45 am

Yea pretty much, the dorklords who think magic sunrise fluff is totally in love with butter candy crunch or whatever go on their things because there's literally nothing there other than their own crazy minds. Brad actually is in cannon Twilight's mutual crush, there needs to actually be a reason other than the literal princess and brilliant scholar thought he was dreamy.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:54 am

Guy can't help it he's a dream boat. Why you gotta be steppin'? :v:
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:00 am

shotgunbadger wrote:Yea pretty much, the dorklords who think magic sunrise fluff is totally in love with butter candy crunch or whatever go on their things because there's literally nothing there other than their own crazy minds


I think when 90% of the fandom is behind it it transcends merely "their own crazy minds."

In particular what bothers me is that you likely don't have an equivalent problem with, for example, Bon Bon being a candymaker, Lyra having a human/hands obsession, Doctor Whooves the Time Lord, Octavia being prim and proper...
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:20 am

RainbowDoubleDash wrote:
I think when 90% of the fandom is behind it it transcends merely "their own crazy minds."

In particular what bothers me is that you likely don't have an equivalent problem with, for example, Bon Bon being a candymaker, Lyra having a human/hands obsession, Doctor Whooves the Time Lord, Octavia being prim and proper...


Bon Bon has candy for a cutie mark, we've seen ponies with jobs like that before, plus that's a cute idea that'd fit right in with something the show would actually do. Lyra's human obsession is dumb and stupid and has little basis. If anything she's a musician because of her cutie-mark, and she has a more interesting personality that never gets extrapolated, like when she was in the background of Putting Your Hoof Down and was being all lazy and pissed that Bon Bon wasn't back with the drinks fast enough. Doctor Whooves Time Lord thing is meh. I don't know much about Doctor Who so I can't form much of an opinion, but even then I think he's more of some kind of ascended easter egg thing. Octavia is literally shown looking all snobby on-screen and playing in a fancy band, and she was mad at Pinkie Pie in her first appearance for being too boisterous at the GGG. She didn't start partying alongside Pinkie. Being Prim and Proper is literally her characterization in the show, so why would anyone have a problem with that interpretation?
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:30 am

None of that is the point. The point is that I'm free to, if it comes up in a conversation, talk about human-loving Lyra or candymare Bon Bon despite both being mere fanon, but their equally fanon relationship is off limits, in spite of how nearly universal the acceptance of it is aside from the 70 or so people who regularly check in on this message board, and yet the fully canon Flash Sentry doesn't "deserve" his actual name.

There's just so much about the situation that makes not a lick of sense.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:35 am

RainbowDoubleDash wrote:
I think when 90% of the fandom is behind it it transcends merely "their own crazy minds."

In particular what bothers me is that you likely don't have an equivalent problem with, for example, Bon Bon being a candymaker, Lyra having a human/hands obsession, Doctor Whooves the Time Lord, Octavia being prim and proper...


Bon Bon being a candy maker: Her name is bon bon and she has candies on her butt, odds are decent her job involves candy somehow, I'm not gonna flip a table when a dude draws her with a sweets shop.

Lyra loving humans: the meme's a bit dumb, but I've seen funny examples of it, it's a joke.

Whooves: I kinda hate 9/10ths of the art about it if only because for some reason they latched their creepy Derpy love to it

Octavia: Again, it's a joke based on her short frame of appearance, I mainly love the idea of a prissy classical music pone so yea I'm down with most of the Octavia stuff.

As has been explained to you MANY times on MANY threads shipping is a little different because a lot of us have had shitty experiences with crazy shipper communities and shit. People get a weird emotional investment in their ships that they usually don't get with throwaway goofs like 'ha ha yea Octavia and Vinyl are roomies like the odd couple, cute right?' Like, on the internet if I say 'eh this Lyra is obsessed with humans comic isn't that funny' the worst response I'd usually get is 'I liked it, fuck you'. If I say 'there's literally no reason to think Carrot Top is in love with Braeburn...' there are some folks who just lose their fuckin minds.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:37 am

RainbowDoubleDash wrote:None of that is the point. The point is that I'm free to, if it comes up in a conversation, talk about human-loving Lyra or candymare Bon Bon despite both being mere fanon, but their equally fanon relationship is off limits, in spite of how nearly universal the acceptance of it is aside from the 70 or so people who regularly check in on this message board, and yet the fully canon Flash Sentry doesn't "deserve" his actual name.

There's just so much about the situation that makes not a lick of sense.


Two things:

1) Shipping is against the rules because discussions of shipping have proven toxic and destructive to fandoms before, specifically the Avatar: The Last Airbender fandom which the creators of the site have a lot of experience with.

2) Romance is tired and stupid. People here are tired of seeing tired and stupid things in entertainment. That's why we like Ponies, because they challenge the things that tired and stupid entertainment have been doing for years. I know that I, personally, hate almost every single TV show and movie I watch. There's few I can stand, and a lot of it stems from all the stupid romance plots that are just thrown around for no reason. It's an ancient, lazy trope that doesn't need another piece of entertainment contributing to it, especially not in such a lackluster way.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:42 am

Getting on another topic.... Apperantly the BD will have commentary as well.... That'll be fun. :amazing:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:43 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Getting on another topic.... Apperantly the BD will have commentary as well.... That'll be fun. :amazing:


Did they do anything fun with EQG1's? I never got it so I'm not sure if you're interested in interesting creator insight or if they did a funny bit.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:45 am

shotgunbadger wrote:
Did they do anything fun with EQG1's? I never got it so I'm not sure if you're interested in interesting creator insight or if they did a funny bit.



On the first movie BD release They had a making of feturette, but not commentary. Personally I hope they do both insight & funny stuff.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:49 am

Neato, I'd like to hear some commentary from the writers/artists yea, they seem like a neat bunch.
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:54 am

The Outlander wrote:Romance is tired and stupid.


The thought of living my life honestly thinking this almost sent me over to the Donut Bar, and this is speaking as someone who both hasn't had and hasn't tried to pursue a relationship of any sort in seven years.

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Getting on another topic.... Apperantly the BD will have commentary as well.... That'll be fun. :amazing:


In a perfect world it would run a bit like Commentary: the Musical, the commentary to Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:58 am

RainbowDoubleDash wrote:The thought of living my life honestly thinking this almost sent me over to the Donut Bar, and this is speaking as someone who both hasn't had and hasn't tried to pursue a relationship of any sort in seven years.


If you seriously believe that romance needs to be present in every single piece of entertainment, or that any one thing should be present in every single piece of entertainment for that matter, then we have nothing to discuss.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:22 am

I haven't read through the whole thread yet; just got the vague idea that somewhere around page 2 it devolves into OH NO HUMAN MOVIE BEING GOOD MEANS PONY LOSES, ZERO SUM GAME or something, so I'll skip that for now and just note some bullet observations.

- First thing is that Meghan McCarthy seriously needs a grammar editor. I'm pretty sure I hear the Battle song saying "One In the Same Thing". And then we get "They sang a song to Vice Principal Luna and I". Come on, people! :-/

- But then right afterwards they hit me with "It's been a long time since I wrote these words. Dear Princess Celestia..." —and with that, you know what? I'm sold on this thing. It's almost spooky how thoroughly that one line won me over. :allears:

- "Please do not drop the microphones."

- The miasma/mist effects, holy shit. Especially during the final battle. Compare that shit to the stuff in the FiM premiere, why don't you. Nightmare Moon's cloud looks like some kind of Powerpuff Girls crayon drawling by comparison. They've really figured out how to make their toolbox sing and dance.

- I wish Fluttershy's song had sounded... I don't know, a little bit different from any of the other songs the Rainbooms played.



But dang, that was a legit good movie.
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Postby QuillNSofa (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:27 am

I wish it was different than a Find the Music in You mix
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:56 am

Headless Horse wrote:- First thing is that Meghan McCarthy seriously needs a grammar editor. I'm pretty sure I hear the Battle song saying "One In the Same Thing". And then we get "They sang a song to Vice Principal Luna and I". Come on, people! :-/


I'm a little relived to see that I wasn't the only person who noticed that!
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Postby Grue (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:51 am

Headless Horse wrote:- But then right afterwards they hit me with "It's been a long time since I wrote these words. Dear Princess Celestia..." —and with that, you know what? I'm sold on this thing. It's almost spooky how thoroughly that one line won me over. :allears:


I thought this line was deliciously meta given how it wasn't used for the entire 4th season of MLP.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:10 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I haven't read through the whole thread yet; just got the vague idea that somewhere around page 2 it devolves into OH NO HUMAN MOVIE BEING GOOD MEANS PONY LOSES, ZERO SUM GAME or something, so I'll skip that for now and just note some bullet observations.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:05 pm

True that. I want to really give some recognition to the animation quality; it's quite excellent.

The pony segment looked a little funny at times; but I think it's probably just that they're experimenting more with weird pony faces than they have at any time since like S1.

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As for the human stuff, they kept doing this forced-perspective thing, with a hand up close against the camera:

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Usually with major depth-of-field effects with the focus shifting from the hand to the face. There are some better examples, but I can't find them right off the bat. Point is, they've really got a good handle on hands now. They look totally natural and they're able to show off.


Also, am I the only one who for some reason thinks of Tails Gets Trolled or something whenever they keep making this type of face? :v:

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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:18 pm

As a huge fan of that face, and as a person who makes that face himself pretty constantly, I noticed it too.

Also, looking at all your screenshots, wow, am I looking forward to there being a full HD rip after this airs on the hub, because those shots don't do it justice.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:27 pm

Yeah it'll be nice to get HD screens from the TV airing & DVD/BD release eventually! *speaking of which I hope the TV airing doesn't have scenes cut out this time like the first one did! :rainbert: *


And yeah, the story, the characters, the animation & effects really improved this time around, nice to see Hasbro has hopefully learned the best way to make EQG work is to let the crew just let loose and have fun with it like they do FIM! :crack:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:39 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:*speaking of which I hope the TV airing doesn't have scenes cut out this time like the first one did! :rainbert: *
Uhhh...too hot for...TV? :rariwhat:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:49 pm

Aramek wrote:Uhhh...too hot for...TV? :rariwhat:



First time around they cut EQG1 from 72 to 66 minutes removing the strange new world musical number and afew other short scenes to make room for more commercials and fit it into a 90 minute time slot, they can't do that to RR though without negatively effecting the movie so I hope they keep it intact and give it a 2 hour timeslot as they should have with the first one! *knock on wood*
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:21 pm

Yeah with the first one they cut a song and a couple of minutes like Trixie's scene but this time around I don't think they should cut anything, all the songs serve a purpose.

Also speaking of songs after much thought I think my favorite of them all is surprisingly Shine Like Rainbows.

I say surprisingly because going in having listened to the soundtrack several times that sing wasn't my favorite but when paired with both the credits and having it played afterball is said and done it made me really love the song.

It's upbeat like all the Rainbooms songs but I think this one was their best, and it was sweet hearing the girls all song about how important their friendship s are to each other.

Of course all the songs the Dazzlings sang were great too.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:27 pm

I thought the montage of the bands blasting each other off the stage was really fuckin' cool.

There was a really interesting vibe to it, like "None of these bands, all of which are made up of beloved fan-favorite characters or at least people we're ambivalent about but know quite well, are gonna win; they're all going down, and you're going to watch them go down".

We see the CMC lose. We see Snips & Snails lose. We see Lyra and Bon-Bon lose. We see Flash lose. Even the ones we see win, like Bulk (lol), we know lose off-screen at some point. But some of them get really brutally blasted off-stage, with no mercy. That's quite a thing to see.

But I also appreciated the overlay of the bracket thing with the bands represented by stylized cutie-mark-based logos. :allears: I've always loved how this team has kept to the visual language of cutie mark iconography, and they're preserving it admirably into this new milieu.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:45 pm

Yeah the bracket was actually good, particularly their take on combining Lyra and Bon Bon.

While I bet Discovery Family rushes through the credits and maybe cuts the Twi cliffhanger, that still leaves a couple more minutes to cut. Or maybe in primetime they let it go about 1:35-1:40 and find a short-ish thing to cover up to two hours, I dunno
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