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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:21 pm

I think the way to do it is to have magic exist in EG but lurk on the outskirts. Have it be this unknown that pops up from time to time but not be as common as in FiM. Still, I think goal number 1 should be to flesh out the world on the ground level, regardless of which direction they choose, and to give Sunset Shimmer a bit more depth. She could be a fun jerk protagonist if done right.
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We never really did see the city, did we? :smirk:
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:51 pm

I still can't get over how much of a perfectly distilled, creatively bankcrupt concept it all is. A potential sequel does not surprise me in the least - It just makes me do a long, tired sigh. Equestria Girls was engineered by executives to be a marketing ploy, and Equestria Girls is not bad enough to just stop after one iteration.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:13 pm

Perrydotto wrote:I still can't get over how much of a perfectly distilled, creatively bankcrupt concept it all is. A potential sequel does not surprise me in the least - It just makes me do a long, tired sigh. Equestria Girls was engineered by executives to be a marketing ploy, and Equestria Girls is not bad enough to just stop after one iteration.

Indeed. My only hope for another possible movie is that it won't connect itself to FiM in any way; that way, I won't have to care about it.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:54 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Indeed. My only hope for another possible movie is that it won't connect itself to FiM in any way; that way, I won't have to care about it.


Unfortunately they we didnt have this ending:
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No, i expect FiM to be related in some way. I also expect SS to be part of some subplot or just dropped outright. Flash will return and it would be terribly creepy if EqG Twilight not Twilight the Pony was hit on by some handsome devil like Flash. It probably will be some new villain with little substance threatening the school again and the school cant just call the police or handle the problem themselves (Why didnt the Mane Six just tell Principle Celestia about SS? Wasnt Luna supposed to do something?). There will be some Highschool event like a battle of the bands because the Highschool Musical show was a $ucce$$
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(Granted, the only good thing in the special was the Cafeteria song... But when people cant remember the name and keep referring it to 'the cafeteria song' then theres a problem)

So yeah, unless the animators and writers are allowed to go crazy with it rather than tick boxes or even dare I say, try to subvert over a decade's worth of tropes, then i expect EqG2 to feel half hearted like the first one with little energy to show for all the bigger budget.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:10 pm

The Cafeteria Song is the official name for Helping Twilight Win The Crown, it's apparently how it's referred to on the bonus features.

Other official sources call it "Equestria Girls" and "EG Stomp", which are much more confusing! :shepspike: (There's also one use of it being called Magic of Friendship).

EDIT: Wait, the Gameloft game now offers EG Stomp and the Cafeteria Song. EG Stomp is an alternate, the Cafeteria Song is the movie version.
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Postby Grue (?) » Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:07 pm

Perrydotto wrote:Equestria Girls was engineered by executives to be a marketing ploy, and Equestria Girls is not bad enough to just stop after one iteration.


So was My Little Pony. There is literally no difference. And yet, you're all watching 4th or 5th iteration of My Little Pony show.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:21 pm

Okay, let me rephrase - Equestria Girls is a marketing ploy for a marketing ploy. And the issue is that it was concepted like one, made like one and intended to be nothing more than one.

It's not even offensively bad or something. You can put your pitchfork away. I didn't claim Equestria Girls was the worst thing since the dawn of time. It's, however, definitely one of the least original, least creative premises for teenage girl entertainment one can ask for. It's even less creative than "colorful talking animals do things". As said, it's the kind of thing engineered by executives to make a wad of cash without offering anything new or fresh for girls in return - And as a girl who had to grow up with this exact kind of premise a hundred times, I will lament it every time it gets dragged up for another round in a different costume.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:12 am

Perrydotto wrote:And as a girl who had to grow up with this exact kind of premise a hundred times, I will lament it every time it gets dragged up for another round in a different costume.

You had to grow up 100 times? :v:

The word I use to describe EqG is "disappointing". FiM took a shallow marketing-centric girl toy line and actually put some heart & effort into it. Seeing elements of it deteriorate back to the prior status quo disappoints greatly, regardless of the actual quality of the movie (which is unremarkable).
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Postby Grue (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:53 am

Perrydotto wrote:as a girl who had to grow up with this exact kind of premise a hundred times, I will lament it every time it gets dragged up for another round in a different costume.


I'd like to see an example of something with a similar premise to Equestria Girls movie. Hey, maybe I'll enjoy it too. I have never heard of anything even remotely similar.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:06 am

The specific details might be different, but there are a lot of films where a plucky outsider unites the forces of their high school against a bully, using a lot of singing to show school spirit. :pinkieshrug:

I will admit that I don't know of any others where the plucky outsider was originally a horse princess from another dimension. :v:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:08 pm

Venusy wrote:I will admit that I don't know of any others where the plucky outsider was originally a horse princess from another dimension. :v:


That's about the only "original" part of EQG.
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Postby Grue (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:13 pm

Tailspin wrote:
That's about the only "original" part of EQG.


So, the very premise of it?
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:20 pm

Grue wrote:
So, the very premise of it?


The premise is as Venusy put it:

The specific details might be different, but there are a lot of films where a plucky outsider unites the forces of their high school against a bully, using a lot of singing to show school spirit.


The only difference is the plucky outsider is a horse turned into a human.
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Postby Grue (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:25 pm

What you're describing is a plot point (one of many), not the premise. The premise is: Twilight Sparkle travels to a parallel world to retrieve her crown.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:37 pm

Grue wrote:What you're describing is a plot point (one of many), not the premise. The premise is: Twilight Sparkle travels to a parallel world to retrieve her crown.

That's such an open-ended premise, though. Why did it have to be executed as a movie where where a plucky outsider unites the forces of their high school against a bully, using a lot of singing to show school spirit?
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:41 pm

That premise is just a framing device, an excuse to get the characters into the alternate universe and start telling a high-school-musical story.

If the "pony" premise had been the dominant one, then it wouldn't have been so separable. You'd have stuff like Celestia sending messages through to Twilight from Equestria, maybe some other character coming through the portal in the middle of the story. The nature of the alternate universe would have been such that it was clearly subordinate to the main narrative of FiM, like (say) The Crystal Empire.

But it's no more important to the EqG story where Twilight comes from than, say, the black-and-white framing story of The Wizard of Oz is important to the events of the color part. The story in the anthroverse is a self-contained thing, or tries to be; it makes every effort to divorce itself as much as possible from its pony-world parallels, and the impression it leaves is that the movie wants to be just another high-school musical—ponies are just a convenient set of predefined characters that the audience is presumably already invested in.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:51 pm

Maybe you mentioned this in the EqG Movie thread and its buried under tons of defensive posts about the movie but what are you looking forward to or want to see in EqG2, Grue?
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The question can also be posed to other people. I know some did like the movie and hope for the sequel though I havent noticed many people (aside from SM44) post what they hope for in EqG2
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Postby Grue (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:12 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Maybe you mentioned this in the EqG Movie thread and its buried under tons of defensive posts about the movie but what are you looking forward to or want to see in EqG2, Grue?


Sunset Shimmer as the main protagonist, hopefully retaining some of her old personality. Have alternate human Twilight actually be evil, but nobody suspects her because everybody loved old Twilight, but Sunset Shimmer uncovers her dark secret and saves the day! :smug: Included is a completely unnecessary love triangle between Flash Sentry, Sunset Shimmer and new Twilight, just to make bronies rage.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:31 pm

Something as outrageous and 80s as those Rainbow Rocks dolls.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:38 pm

Grue wrote:
Sunset Shimmer as the main protagonist, hopefully retaining some of her old personality. Have alternate human Twilight actually be evil, but nobody suspects her because everybody loved old Twilight, but Sunset Shimmer uncovers her dark secret and saves the day! :smug: Included is a completely unnecessary love triangle between Flash Sentry, Sunset Shimmer and new Twilight, just to make bronies rage.

So you want Sunset to continue being a bully and prove that human Twilight is evil because... :pinkieshrug: while shoehorning in a petty fight for the affections of Wonder bread the character. How does any of that represent the series' theme of friendship can overcome anything?
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Postby Grue (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:46 pm

DaBatGuy wrote:So you want Sunset to continue being a bully, prove that human Twilight is evil because... :pinkieshrug: while shoehorning in a petty fight for the affections of Wonder bread the character. How does any of that represent the series' theme of friendship can overcome anything?


No, Sunset Shimmer is good now. She reformed! She is not a bully! But she still should be a bit of a smartass and a jerk. Human Twilight is evil, because I want to see Twilight being evil (maybe even using Dark Magicks™), and it's basically the only way it's possible to do it in MLPverse without breaking her character or some mind-control shit. The Brad thing, because it would be hilarious (YMMV). The theme of friendship would be very prominent, because the lack of her predestinated friends is what made human Twilight evil in the first place.

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Oh right, I forgot about that. They'll probably put that in, yeah...
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Postby Somnambula (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:48 pm

Perrydotto wrote:I still can't get over how much of a perfectly distilled, creatively bankcrupt concept it all is. A potential sequel does not surprise me in the least - It just makes me do a long, tired sigh. Equestria Girls was engineered by executives to be a marketing ploy, and Equestria Girls is not bad enough to just stop after one iteration.


Urp, yeah. :bluh: I feel similarly. The first movie was fine enough: there were some good jokes and songs despite the :-/ setting and premise. But I would rather that the whole thing had been put to bed at that point.

Grue wrote:They're clearly running out of ideas, and writing the characters into a corner.


Wow, I couldn't disagree more! From my perspective, one of the niggling problems that has plagued S3 and even S4 so far is that the writers are having a hard time fitting their increasingly ambitious ideas into the same 22-minute chunks. The Crystal Empire, Magical Mystery Cure, Princess Twilight Sparkle - all these episodes would have benefited from more screen time, if it had been possible. The same is true for some slice of life episodes, like Wonderbolts Academy. Which is why it would make so much sense to give FiM some full-length features. :gonkity: The pacing! They wouldn't have to rush the endings! Argh! The prospect of another EG movie doesn't so really offend me so much as strike me as a waste of potentially valuable resources.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:23 pm

Wow, I couldn't disagree more! From my perspective, one of the niggling problems that has plagued S3 and even S4 so far is that the writers are having a hard time fitting their increasingly ambitious ideas into the same 22-minute chunks. The Crystal Empire, Magical Mystery Cure, Princess Twilight Sparkle - all these episodes would have benefited from more screen time, if it had been possible. The same is true for some slice of life episodes, like Wonderbolts Academy. Which is why it would make so much sense to give FiM some full-length features. The pacing! They wouldn't have to rush the endings! Argh!


Imma gonna be brutally honest and say: "The problem isnt that 22 minutes isnt enough but really it's that it's not written or edited well enough."

You have so many shows that last only 11 minutes per episode. Steven Universe, Wander Over Yonder, Adventure Time, and more that are able to squeeze out the most out of a limited length. Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, Gravity Falls, and one 22-minute WoY episode clearly show that you can still have great near flawless pacing in 22 minutes, which FiM seems to suffer now according to people.

Im close to the end of my FiM S1 rewatchings (Best Night Ever is left) and I have never felt things were rushed or the pacing was an issue. Maybe thatll change in S2 or later when I rewatch them but I actually did think it got worse in S3 like other people here back in S3.

There is one thing ill be watching out for though when I transition from S2 to S3... Some days ago a fan offsite made some graph comparison between Faust and McCarthy with arbitrary numbers and nonsense but he awarded Faust points for storytelling, pacing, and things that happen while he gave McCarthy points for dialogue. Yeah it's a terrible idea to ever quantify things like that but compounding this was Faust on twitter replying to some fan asking how to learn writing and she told him/her to focus and think of interesting things to happen. And if memory serves, there were episodes in S3 where I felt they didnt have enough interesting stuff happen (prime example: AFR).

So yeah... Going to see if this is true OR I get manipulated into believing this :v:

In any case: I think the pacing is more the fault of the writing and editin rather than the time. Renzetti and Faust, plus a handful of others are able to pull it off whether it be 22 or 11 minutes so surely McCarthy can in S4... Perhaps. (Understandably, I know McCarthy doesnt really have the actual animating experience which the others i mentioned have. I forgot who said it but he/she said being an animator reduces pacing issues since you can better visualize the words into almost accurate show/scene lengths before submitting it to the animation process)
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:21 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Maybe you mentioned this in the EqG Movie thread and its buried under tons of defensive posts about the movie but what are you looking forward to or want to see in EqG2, Grue?
:smile:

The question can also be posed to other people. I know some did like the movie and hope for the sequel though I havent noticed many people (aside from SM44) post what they hope for in EqG2


  • EG1 they left a super blatant opening for bringing in that world's version of Twilight Sparkle. I want them to not follow through with it. I think the sequel will be stronger if it focuses on Sunset Shimmer and how she's coping with the followup of what she's done. She has too good of a backstory setup and too much unanswered to just get cast aside a second time. She has a similar yet rather different path of learning friendship than Twilight since she has different negative traits.
  • I want to see more added to the HuMane 5 on how they interact and what differences they have from their pony selves.
  • Overall more worldbuilding and character development. The background crowd is different so give us some interesting EG only characters. Give Flash Sentry more of a point of existing.
  • I want to see a quieter setup for magic. Would explain some things and give it a bit more of an edge than being a high school show that's incapable of going into some high school plots. While MLP Tales was sometimes flawed, it did dabble in this setup so it's not like it hasn't happened in the franchise before.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:35 pm

Yeah, I'm going to say more human 5 character development and no human Twilight Sparkle. When we first started getting details about Equestria Girls, one of my first thoughts was wondering how the others would have changed without Twilight ever being there. However, EqG1 didn't really do anything with this idea, all of the human 5's problems were directly caused by Sunset Shimmer, and it feels like they never ran into any natural conflict or personality clashes before that. Fluttershy is basically only shy for her introduction (because it's directly copying the pilot), then basically forgets about it - compare and contrast with regular Fluttershy under the hoof of Trixie's oppressive dictatorship. The tests during the pilot weren't a particularly good way of showing why all of them deserve their elements, but at least it tried to showcase them as individuals. EqG1 did not do this, which forms part of the problem with the finale. It's not based on anything the human 5 individually did, just existing knowledge of their pony counterparts.

More focus needs to be given to the story. EqG1 is filled with scenes comparable to Derpy's scene in Last Roundup - they don't move the story forward, and only exist for the fans. With the right editing, I think you could get it down to 44 minutes without having to cut much other than a lot of non-story relevant horse Twilight gags, blatant callbacks, and the "photoshop" plot which is resolved so quickly that it may as well not be there. I'm not saying all the gags should be cut, but the time needs to be used effectively
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:16 am

They should go on a school field trip, stuff goes wrong, and they have a semi-magical adventure with all our favorite characters while dropping any obligation to connect it to a high school setting. :smug:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:37 am

Principal Celestia finds a new, completely unrelated magic mirror to another dimension, and the girls all go through it and find themselves transformed into cute fuzzy woodland creatures from some strange Korean show Hasbro somehow got the rights to.

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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:39 am

Personally, for Equestria Girls 2, I want the real human Twilight to show up, and I want to know what happened to her, since the others are already friends, and she exists somehow (as I believe Pinkie noted her for having "an identical twin") but she isn't friends with human Pinkie/Rarity/Fluttershy/Rainbow/Applejack. And only Pinkie seemed to partially recognize her. :pinkieshrug:

I would also like it to have an expanded setting, a setting like in FiM. In the regular show, they are never limited to setting, nor most of the time do I believe setting has a huge impact on the plot. Like I felt the plot in Equestria Girls revolved around the school setting, and it was limited to that. I hope the world is "expanded" in this book. Now I know that the show obviously has had more screen time to develop Equestria, but since Equestria Girls is based off of the same show, I didn't think of it too hard to give us a little bit extra of this new world, other than just the school. (And I don't think the coffee shop counts.)

Maybe we'll see more of it, I don't know. But don't let it be said I didn't enjoy it, I did. But like most movies I've seen, I think some things could be tweaked. (My main complaint though was Flash Sentry. I thought it wasn't needed to shoehorn in a "love interest" for the sake of having one so the female lead isn't "alone". They could have taken him out entirely and the movie wouldn't have changed. He wasn't needed. :( )
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:13 am

  • I want Sunset Shimmer to get a villain (or I guess antihero :pinkieshrug: ) song this time around. Could potentially be awesome since my four favorite songs of the franchise are all villain songs. That reminds me...
  • Vary the song genres this time around! MLP: The Movie got this right and it's 25 years old while EG1 only used pop barring that dubstep variant of the theme.

Venusy wrote:Fluttershy is basically only shy for her introduction (because it's directly copying the pilot), then basically forgets about it

While pony Fluttershy is my sixth favorite of the Mane 6, I find EG Fluttershy fascinating. She's less outright shy and instead just soft spoken. It's interesting since it winds up making her less like her pony counterpart and more like Posey from G1 or Wysteria from G3. She seems to have difficulty with groups (handing out the animal shelter flyers) but temporarily stood up to Sunset Shimmer.
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Postby Grue (?) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:59 pm

Fluttershy's passive-aggressive side was present since the early episodes (like Griffon The Brush-Off), but they haven't made much use of it lately. When she made a zinger against Sunset Shimmer, I was extremely relieved that they didn't forget it! The movie is a solid example of how to write Fluttershy right.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:05 pm

Castle-Mania gave it a pretty full day in the sun. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:03 am

Grue wrote:Fluttershy's passive-aggressive side was present since the early episodes (like Griffon The Brush-Off), but they haven't made much use of it lately. When she made a zinger against Sunset Shimmer, I was extremely relieved that they didn't forget it! The movie is a solid example of how to write Fluttershy right.


Though I really didn't enjoy the movie, I can agree that Fluttershy was by far the best character in it. She's not one of my favorite pones (but :yay: for cute moments), so I don't say that out of bias.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:03 am

Headless Horse wrote:Castle-Mania gave it a pretty full day in the sun. :pinkieshrug:


But it had been absent for a while. I don't want Fluttersnark to be overused but it's something that highlights the differences between EG Fluttershy and FiM. And...it makes sense. While coming from the same base mold, they've had different life experiences. I really want to see how AJ is since while she doesn't seem that changed on the surface, the setting has changed. She's "that country girl" as opposed to a town hero that's heir to one of the top agricultural businesses in the area.

The sequel really needs to be a second chance to make the EG world stand out on it's own as opposed to just being a less interesting version of Doug that's riding on the coattails of FiM's success.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:26 am

I would also like it to have an expanded setting, a setting like in FiM.


I want an expanded setting too.

And a Sunset Shimmer song.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:58 am

I too would like to know that this world does not solely consist of that high school :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:08 am

EqG2 will take us straight to the city where Dougworld's original Twilight lives. Straight to her high school, in fact. :negative:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:22 am

I don't know about that. My guess is Human world Twilight starts going to Canterlot High. Is kind of A jerk though, a reformed Sunset sees this, tries to fix this by Hooking up Twy with rest of the Hu-Mane six, shenanigans happen, and they also fit the toy mandated Rainbow Rockers stuff in there too. Movie probably ends with the EQG band going up against Trixies band. Because... :ponydrugs: .
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Postby ixnay (?) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:51 pm

Apparently there was some news about this at the London Toy Fair, according to this random forum post:

The HUGE push though? The new Equestria Girls movie, Rainbow Rocks. The girls are back and performing in a battle of the bands - each come with their own instruments, and Pinkie has a drum kit! There's a big stage for them to perform on, and loads of other characters will be released for the movie too. Best one? DJ Pon-3, who has a car! With the windshield that looks like sunglasses! That can be removed so you can wear them!
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