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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:38 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote: :flutterdear: :"No one ever stands up to Sunset Shimmer!"

Names like Twilight Sparkle, Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie are ridiculous on their face. But Twilight is a purple unicorn - fine, it's a fantasy world; that's a perfectly fine name for a unicorn.
Except in EqG it's this mirror human world, but they still have their pony names and, UGH. :gonkity: this premise is still making me cringe.

To be fair, what would you do if you were tasked with giving them plausible human names? Especially when the premise is that one of them isn't native to that world and doesn't have any idea what name to pretend to have. Would you do the Teacher's Pet thing where she says her real name and it gets misheard as something more normal?

:excite: I'm Twilight Sparkle!
:twasnothin: Well, pleased to meet'cha, Twilene! I'm Jackie Apple!

(later)

:twasnothin: Ever'body, this here's Twilene Spangler. She's new in town.
:-I ...Sure, we'll go with that.

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:Oh woah - this played in theaters? This feels like a direct to VHS (heh :sheepish: ) special, much like the Pokemon movies.

I distinctly remember that the first two of those were also in theaters.
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:45 pm

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We can all agree the Rainbow Rocks songs were way, way better. I even covered Trixie's song. :v: Butchering it.


Well it's not like Kathleen Barr (not 100% sure she's the singer but prrrreeeety sure?) can sing as Trixie all that well either, so if anything it's probably an upgrade. :v:

Speaking of Rainbow Rocks, I just discovered recently that some Welcome to the Show upload on youtube has 37 million views. :psygum: This show has come quite some ways.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:57 pm

Huh, I thought Kathleen Barr did better than I expected, singing as Trixie.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:06 pm

fenster wrote:Well it's not like Kathleen Barr (not 100% sure she's the singer but prrrreeeety sure?) can sing as Trixie all that well either.
Hmm. Hmm. Sure smells like some heresy in here.

Yep, definitely heresy there, Billy.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:36 pm

fenster wrote:
Well it's not like Kathleen Barr (not 100% sure she's the singer but prrrreeeety sure?) can sing as Trixie all that well either, so if anything it's probably an upgrade. :v:

Speaking of Rainbow Rocks, I just discovered recently that some Welcome to the Show upload on youtube has 37 million views. :psygum: This show has come quite some ways.


There's so many fun parts in that. But I have to give a special shoutout to Sonata's tie, because it is awesome and adorbs
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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:39 pm

Lorce wrote:Pretty sure there's always mind influencing stuff going on when magic happens though? :pinkieshrug:


No one seems particularly shocked when Rainbow Dash is flying around at the dance, though, and that's after all the mind whammies are over. Plus in Rainbow Rocks doesn't Trixie say something like "I see you even invited your magical friend over to help you" and no one really cares?

So yeah, I always got the feeling that the EqG world isn't so much supposed to be the real world as supposed to just be a world where everyone's human but otherwise still obeys cartoon rules.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:14 pm

fenster wrote:Speaking of Rainbow Rocks, I just discovered recently that some Welcome to the Show upload on youtube has 37 million views. :psygum: This show has come quite some ways.


I'll admit I'm a little suspicious about that number when I look at the related videos
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:31 pm

Pocket wrote:
To be fair, what would you do if you were tasked with giving them plausible human names? Especially when the premise is that one of them isn't native to that world and doesn't have any idea what name to pretend to have. Would you do the Teacher's Pet thing where she says her real name and it gets misheard as something more normal?

:excite: I'm Twilight Sparkle!
:twasnothin: Well, pleased to meet'cha, Twilene! I'm Jackie Apple!

(later)

:twasnothin: Ever'body, this here's Twilene Spangler. She's new in town.
:-I ...Sure, we'll go with that.


I distinctly remember that the first two of those were also in theaters.


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:43 pm

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ROXY DODGERS :v:

Not sure if that (and those five other names) is better or worse than Robin Douglas. :ponder:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:08 am

We've done this before.

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:rainbert: Rebecca Marigold Dash

:squintyjack: Jaquelyn Ann Apple

:-/ Tiffany Dazzle Sparkle

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Postby fenster (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:09 am

Durandal wrote:[

I'll admit I'm a little suspicious about that number when I look at the related videos
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I had the same suspicion, but I honestly can't come up with a how or why? Cause there's a lot of these videos that have tons of views so not sure what could be up with that.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:10 am

Headless Horse wrote:ROXY DODGERS :v:
Fizzbuzz wrote:Not sure if that (and those five other names) is better or worse than Robin Douglas. :ponder:

'K so I've gone through the Starswirl Academy thread so I know where "Robin Douglas" comes from, but not even Google can help me with "Roxy Dodgers" so you're gonna have to enlighten me.

The Doctor wrote:We've done this before.

I was kind of aiming for real-world surnames. Also none of those first names are very good analogues except for "Florence" (though I'm leaning toward "Felicia"). No idea what her last name would be since she's only got the one name to start with. Rarity at least could be Renee Sweet to go with her sister Belle Sweet. (I could imagine their mom is a Twilight fan who wanted to name them "Renesmee" and "Bella" but Mr. Sweet said no way in hell so she had to compromise.)
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:21 am

Pocket wrote:'K so I've gone through the Starswirl Academy thread so I know where "Robin Douglas" comes from, but not even Google can help me with "Roxy Dodgers" so you're gonna have to enlighten me.

One of the many doomsaying rumors about Equestria Girls before Hasbro had announced any information about it was that all the main characters would be renamed in the human world to Paulina Pettifer, Roxy Dodgers, Amelia Jems, Rowellina Beattie, and Faith Summers.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:53 am

So an article popped up on what happened with the Hub Network, from insiders POV.

The short version (ripped off from another message board):

    Lofty expectations: It's simple; Hasbro wanted it all in a shorter amount of time than is possible.

    Competition including online streaming: Hasbro entered a market which has been in decline thanks to competition, as has been evidenced by numerous reports of declining ratings from the Big Three (Nick, Disney, and CN) attributed to the rise of online streaming services (yes, the N-name was dropped).

    Discovery's minimal involvement and Hasbro's decisions: Most of the responsibility of running the channel fell to Hasbro, not Discovery, due to their preoccupation with launching the Oprah Winfrey Network. Thus, Discovery decided that since Hasbro invested the money to launch the network, they should invest the effort to run the network. Needless to say, Hasbro did not immediately realize that toy marketing savvy does not easily translate to media savvy, pretty much confirming almost everything that went down in Discovery Family discussions here on this site.

    Lack of advertiser interest: The nail in the coffin was the fact that competing toy advertisers wanted no part of a Hasbro vanity show. Potential advertisers, including Lego and Mattel, saw advertising on the Hub as, in essence, aiding the enemy.
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Postby Stone Cold Jane Austen (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:16 am

The last point, about other toy companies not wanting to "aid the enemy," is so obvious that I feel like a dope for not thinking of it sooner. :v: Hasbro was looking at how well Transformers were selling after the first movie came out, and they probably started wanting to be a Disney, with a strong portfolio of IPs, but without having to split profits with a Mattel or a Lego like Disney does.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:04 am

The Hub had awesome content, including Transformers: Prime, which won nine Daytime Emmy Awards over three seasons, as well as a breakout hit in the creepily beloved My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic (It's good! It's just not The Brothers Karamazov! Don't hurt us, Bronies!)

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That article does leave open the question that's going to haunt Hasbro for the next few years: If they can't control their own distribution, what does that mean for their new media efforts -- especially launching non-Transformers/MLP shows? They may get more eyeballs from boys on Cartoon Network, but that also means giving up some measure of creative control. And for girls' shows like MLP/LPS/Jem, do they fall back on Discovery Family, or do they strike out in a different direction?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:33 am

Perhaps Hasbro will move more towards digital distribution. After all, that article points out how viewership of children's cable networks has been declining, so I guess VOD has taken a bigger bite out of that than I expected. The article still says that S5 will air on Discovery Family, but that doesn't mean Hasbro can't choose to put it online as well.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:58 pm

Regarding the digital distribution, I just hope Hasbro doesn't go the Disney route when it comes to digital streaming/distribution.

I've been noticing how Disney has lately been releasing episodes on their online streaming service, Watch Disney XD prior to to these episodes or even show being aired on TV first. Sometimes it'll be a week before these episodes air on TV, maybe more than a week, and the two current/upcoming shows have been airing a few episodes a month or more when they haven't officially been aired on TV yet.
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While I doubt Hasbro would do that, releasing episodes early online while restricting both Non-American audiences (region locking) and those who can't apply for the service, it is a scary thought and scenario, especially when the fandom is this big that avoiding spoilers would become even harder.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:58 pm

Unikitty wrote:The last point, about other toy companies not wanting to "aid the enemy," is so obvious that I feel like a dope for not thinking of it sooner. :v:


It's not your job to think like an ad spot buyer. But, yes, anyone who'd watched the live broadcasts was scratching their heads at Gyro Bowls (from an independent manufacturer), Geico ads, and all the weird repeated Gak spots. The Mattels and Lego and Disney's of the world wouldn't touch that.

I don't think it was bad ad space, but inherently biased against having many high profile buyers.



And sure, I'd like a pony adaptation of Crime and Punishment :cheese:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:54 am

Well, there's Crime and Funishment, where Pinkie Pie decides to rob a bank. :-P

I don't think it's anything like the Dostoyevsky though
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Postby Stone Cold Jane Austen (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:04 am

"Why am I going there now? Am I capable of that? Is that serious? It is not serious at all. It's simply a fantasy to amuse myself; a plaything! Yes, maybe it is a plaything." :plonk:

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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:43 am

Unikitty wrote:The last point, about other toy companies not wanting to "aid the enemy," is so obvious that I feel like a dope for not thinking of it sooner. :v: Hasbro was looking at how well Transformers were selling after the first movie came out, and they probably started wanting to be a Disney, with a strong portfolio of IPs, but without having to split profits with a Mattel or a Lego like Disney does.


Hasbro does appear to want to follow Disney's model- that's a good thing! Disney is very successful at what they do. But Disney has some advantages that Hasbro simply does not have access to right now. Hasbro tried to solve that by creating the Hub, but that's really the least of Disney's muscle- they don't even sell ad time on the main Disney Channel in the US. It's entirely a marketing/mindshare play for them. They make money on toys and merch, yes, but they really make bank at their parks. If you've ever been to a Disney park, you know they don't miss an opportunity to separate a tourist from their wallet. Hasbro has nothing in that space at all, and they're not likely to in the future- especially since Hasbro just bought the license to the Disney Princess toy line. (Remember Disney's fit at Hasbro attempting to buy Dreamworks? Imagine their indignation at Hasbro trying to go into the theme park business.)

If Hasbro is smart, and their long-term goal -is- to compete with Disney directly on all fronts, then they should sock that sweet Disney Princess cash away (and hope Allspark Pictures is consistently profitable) until they have enough of a nest egg built up to build or acquire their own destination park and tv channel/future tv channel equivalent. Disney did something similar- Walt used the profits from his weekly TV show to build Disneyland, and then the proceeds from Mary Poppins to build Disney World.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:31 am

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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:17 pm

"Twilight has terrible handwriting" is the best running gag from both EQG movies :smirk:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:28 pm

Doctor Wheeze wrote:"Twilight has terrible handwriting" is the best running gag from both EQG movies :smirk:

And honestly I bet writing with her mouth is pretty illegible too, since she learned magic at a really young age and probably didn't get much practice at mouth-writing.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:49 pm

Octavia wrote:And honestly I bet writing with her mouth is pretty illegible too, since she learned magic at a really young age and probably didn't get much practice at mouth-writing.

Spike does most of the writing for her anyway, so even now I imagine her own writing still isn't too great.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:50 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Spike does most of the writing for her anyway, so even now I imagine her own writing still isn't too great.

She should be a doctor. :rimshot:
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:54 pm

Octavia wrote:She should be a doctor. :rimshot:

I like to imagine she already has like six doctorates and is working on two more.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:55 pm

Seven Seas wrote:I like to imagine she already has like six doctorates and is working on two more.

I meant an M.D. because they have notoriously illegible handwriting when writing prescriptions. :-P
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:55 pm

Seven Seas wrote:I like to imagine she already has like six doctorates and is working on two more.

At least up until the end of S3, I always thought of her more as an eternal grad student :gotcha:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:13 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:At least up until the end of S3, I always thought of her more as an eternal grad student :gotcha:


I’d have to agree. She was clearly a neurotic graduate student not quite sure what her professor wanted her to do with the occasional freakout as a result. Once she got the PhD, she calmed down considerably, though she, as a Post Doc, still wondered about what she was to do with the rest of her life. At the end of Season 4, she either got tenure, or, at the very least her own major grant, complete with fancy new lab and a dedicated troop of researchers.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:36 am

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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:35 am

Dexanth wrote:Well, there's Crime and Funishment, where Pinkie Pie decides to rob a bank. :-P

I don't think it's anything like the Dostoyevsky though


When I read that, and then this:

The Doctor wrote:We've done this before.

:squintyjack: Jaquelyn Ann Apple



Well...Applejaque with her Prench accent of casino-destruction comes to mind.

Crime and Funishment is on FiMfiction and a very amusing read.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:21 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote: :sheepish: :"Imagine fried cow meat instead of hay. And so I figured, 'When in Rome...' "

But little did she know, Twilight had only touched the surface of Dougworld's secret and shameful "meat tourism" industry.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:02 pm

Question: At which resolution is Friendship is Magic avaible on US Netflix? HD or SD? I just got a subscription for German Netflix and while I appreciate having the horsies on it, the very obvious SD quality is a bit jarring. Is this a German thing, or a US thing too?
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:44 pm

Perrydotto wrote:Question: At which resolution is Friendship is Magic avaible on US Netflix? HD or SD? I just got a subscription for German Netflix and while I appreciate having the horsies on it, the very obvious SD quality is a bit jarring. Is this a German thing, or a US thing too?


It is available in HD (I use https://www.unblock-us.com to sidestep the pesky national borders) as well as Super-HD (which is still 1080p, just a higher bitrate). I used to be able to receive it in Super-HD, and then something changed between my location and Netflix and now it's only available in HD.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:25 pm

That doesn't quite answer my question - So it is a regional thing, then, or what?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:44 pm

I assume the version of FiM on German Netflix is dubbed into German, right? If so then my guess is that whoever dubbed it did not give enough of a shit to pair the dubbed audio with HD video.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:49 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I assume the version of FiM on German Netflix is dubbed into German, right? If so then my guess is that whoever dubbed it did not give enough of a shit to pair the dubbed audio with HD video.


German Netflix lets me watch the show in English, German and French. We have a German blu-ray release and everything, so we do have HD versions avaible to us, Netflix just doesn't seem to for whatever reason. I can't imagine that this is a simple mistake. Considering the absolute craziness that are German licensing laws and Hasbro's deals with international licensers in general (see Hasbro not granting the German DVD producers EDEL Records the rights to the English 5.1 sound), I suspect it has more to do with some weird terms the two parties worked out. For example, if Hasbro wanted people to encourage to keep buying the blu-rays and iTunes releases, I could see them restricting access to the HD versions on streaming services. And hell, even on US Netflix, Friendship is Magic is currently in some kinda limbo.
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Postby Stone Cold Jane Austen (?) » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:41 am

That reminds me, I saw the "Adventures of the Cutie Mark Crusaders" DVD at the store the other day. I'd forgotten that it was even coming out. To be fair, I don't buy the character-specific sampler DVDs :v:
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