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Re: Prepare for a Ponyless Summer... Fall... and Winter...

Postby Star Platinum (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 3:07 pm

The only way EqA might be worth a look is if they completely overhaul the character designs (which is highly unlikely) and if it's not a generic high school drama (which, let's face it, is a near fucking impossibility). So far I've been able to filter out the EqG universe pretty easily, so I'm not too bothered about it unless it starts to affect the real pony show. Ideally I should be busy enough this summer and next fall that the drought won't feel too long, the only thing I'm really worried about is the possibility of another half-season that some people have been speculating about.

edit: oh god why are there two "CompoundWord44" posters on the forums :gonkity: I'm pretty sure I've been reading some of your posts thinking you're the same person.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 3:08 pm

OK...I've decided I am going to stay out of this thread for the time being.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 4:16 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:We need a collective Brony/Nerd Culutre mental health group online, I think we may be coming close to a boiling point to where a fair number of individuals in the community & just fanbases in general may go completly crazy soon. Mark my words in the coming years many of us may be in a mental ward.

...If so...anybody wanna be my roommate!? :party:


Or you could take a step back and realize that letting a show be that important to your mental wellbeing is a serious concern.
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Postby Discord (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 4:24 pm

This news saddens me. But at least we are apparently getting 26 episodes:

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-hub ... fth-season
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 4:39 pm

So kwitcher bellyachin' all y'all.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:06 pm

Feels sooo good to be right!! :evil:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:12 pm

I can live with the wait, knowing another full season of pony is confirmed. :twiright:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:18 pm

Well, that clears up all of the bad stuff for me! Does this mean that pony will run until June 2015?! :awesomedash:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:28 pm

Discord wrote:This news saddens me. But at least we are apparently getting 26 episodes:

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-hub ... fth-season

Okay, this definitely makes me feel much better. Had it been just 13 episodes then I doubt I would've been able to ignore Equestria Academy's influence there. Basically, what Star Platinum said.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:47 pm

Every indication is and has been that none of this humanized-versions-of-the-mane-6 is going to leak back into FiM- the exception proving the rule being Flash Sentry's silent cameo this past season.

We're getting a full 26-episode order of Pony. If it starts in January, that means it runs well into the summer of 2015.

People should panic much less about things than they do.

Water is wet. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Dragoness (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 5:57 pm

But panicking is fun!
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 6:25 pm

Headless Horse wrote:So kwitcher bellyachin' all y'all.


Awww, but I'm so good at it! :-P
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 6:28 pm

Headless Horse wrote:So kwitcher bellyachin' all y'all.

Yeah, seriously. If the show is lame, just...don't watch it? :rariwhat:

Meanwhile, I didn't mind EQG, so, I'll give this a shot. Who knows?

I might even smile during it. :evil:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 6:43 pm

Cool, as long as it's a full 26-episode season, I'm fine with waiting. :allears:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 9:42 pm

You know, if I can just say about EQA, if you don't like it, maybe just don't watch it? I mean, you don't have to watch everything MLP related, you can not like it, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be a thing. Equestria Girls seems to be doing well with the target audience, and Hasbro is just experimenting with things. If you don't like it, you aren't obligated to buy anything. And it's not getting in the way of the regular show merch, like fanon character stuff, so to say. (By that, I mean like how we didn't get a Rarity Funko Pop! so we could have a Doctor Whooves one.) It's an entirely seperate line. But it shouldn't be burned to the stake. Yes, that might be the reason that the show is having some time gaps, so they can work on it. That is a legit complete. I know I hate waiting for things too. But EQG isn't some abomination that we need to stop Hasbro from producing. They're doing moderately well with it. If you're not interested, it's not something worth shouting over I'd say.

Also, I can say that Hasbro will be having their Annual Shareholders Meeting on the 22nd of this month, which I most likely will be attending in person. If there is anything spoken about the future of MLP with this new season, and EQA, (as I imagine there will be some mention) I'd be happy to share everything I legally can to everyone here, to hopefully put to rest some concerns about what could possibly happen to the brand.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 9:56 pm

Just to keep repeating this: EqG is done by a completely different team at DHX now. It's not taking any time or resources away from the team making FiM.

Also, I'm pretty sure anything that's said at a shareholders meeting is not considered a secret in any way, so anything you can share with us from that would be great!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 10:01 pm

The concerns about EqG/EqA aren't about taking away resources from FiM. They're about the FiM property being used as a springboard for a show that promotes some of the same harmful tropes and values that prevailed in the 80s and that FiM was specifically designed to break away from.

(Not taking a side here, just trying to frame what the argument is)
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 10:04 pm

Wylie wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure anything that's said at a shareholders meeting is not considered a secret in any way, so anything you can share with us from that would be great!


Yeah, I just know that sometimes there are things they keep private. I intend to take pictures of things and such as I'm sure there will be presentations, but I'm just thinking there could be a chance they say to keep it private, or if they say no photography.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 11:25 pm

Headless Horse wrote:The concerns about EqG/EqA aren't about taking away resources from FiM. They're about the FiM property being used as a springboard for a show that promotes some of the same harmful tropes and values that prevailed in the 80s and that FiM was specifically designed to break away from.

(Not taking a side here, just trying to frame what the argument is)


Oh, sure, that's a valid complaint and a decent enough reason not to watch EqG / buy EqG merch.

But frequently it gets framed as "Argh they're wasting time doing all this EqG stuff when they should be making more RealPony/ RealPony is getting pushed back so they have time to make EqG", which isn't really applicable.

Also, Shielded, I'm pretty sure anything said at a shareholder's meeting has to be entirely for public consumption, so that people there don't have information that the general public doesn't- it's to prevent insider trading and that sort of thing. So take ALL the pictures!
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 11:49 pm

How are you able to attend, though? Is it a public event?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 11:55 pm

You can attend through the interwebz!! :party:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed May 07, 2014 11:59 pm

I believe you just have to be able to prove ownership of stock. In theory, anyone who owns Hasbro stock can attend, but for large companies, that's generally not possible, because venues that big don't exist. I own Disney stock, for example, which means I get a vote at the shareholder meetings. They send out a letter to let you vote by mail, usually pre-filled-out for the way they want the vote to go. (Or it's simply an authorization for you to allow someone there (usually a board member) to vote on your behalf, which amounts to the same thing.)

There's usually nothing to the presentation that's not already public information, though- like I said, the SEC wouldn't look kindly on a company giving secret information out that only its shareholders knew, because then they could take advantage of that information in the markets. It's all pretty heavily-regulated. They'll have copies of their annual report available, and they might talk about new revenue and sales numbers, but it'll be available to investors at the same time it's released to shareholders.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 1:54 am

Wayoshi wrote:How are you able to attend, though? Is it a public event?


It's not open for the general public, as Wylie said, you have to provide proof you own shares. I do have some in my name, so I was intending to go and show whatever I can from the event on the site here. I imagine there will be some news about something related to FiM and EQA.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:10 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I do have some in my name

How in the world did you get that? Is it easy? Why did you care to even get it? :ponder:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 4:43 am

Wayoshi wrote:How in the world did you get that? Is it easy? Why did you care to even get it? :ponder:


Well, I did have help with my father through his broker. :modesty: I cared to get it because one day I want to work in Hasbro. I figured a good place to start would be having stock in my name, and when I apply to work for them, showing I have stock would be a way of expressing my interest in the company.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 4:43 am

So we get to have at least eight months of endless crying and moaning about how the show is ruined? I get to watch every character I give a damn about get torn to shreds because they outshined someone else/didn't do anything? The blatant hypocrisy, the death threats, the dissolution and meltdown of once-vibrant communities? All of this with absolutely nothing to provide any sort of hope or possibly of escape?

No.

I barely survived the last hiatus. I am not going through this crap again.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 5:33 am

InsertAuthorHere wrote:So we get to have at least eight months of endless crying and moaning about how the show is ruined?

Or you could, y'know, not flip out about dumb Internet opinions from dumb Internet sources, like we've told you many times before. 4chan is never going to be a balanced, reasonable view of the show.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 5:42 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Or you could, y'know, not flip out about dumb Internet opinions from dumb Internet sources, like we've told you many times before. 4chan is never going to be a balanced, reasonable view of the show.


I wasn't talking about 4chan.

I wouldn't flip out about dumb Internet opinions if those same dumb Internet opinions didn't also come with a side of "Leave and never come back" and "Saying anything that's against the wall of doom and gloom means you're an apologist who doesn't deserve to be heard." Or if they didn't come from people I respect turning into hatred incarnate, or being labeled as "toxic" to the show because you liked an episode. I still cannot watch Magical Mystery Cure anymore because every time I try to, all the memories come flooding back and I break down.
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Postby Skipper (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 5:49 am

InsertAuthorHere wrote:"Saying anything that's against the wall of doom and gloom means you're an apologist who doesn't deserve to be heard."

Why would you even attempt to argue with stupid people? Honestly! Nothing can be gained from that.

You are a good person, IAH. Please don't let the dumb opinions of Internet People get to you. As soon as someone says your opinion isn't valuable, they've just shown that they are people you shouldn't associate with.

FWIW, I loved Magical Mystery Cure.
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Postby Stuff (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 8:02 am

...honestly, I'm fine with this. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 11:48 am

@IAH: you're putting to much stock in others opinions. I know it can be hard, but yea gotta learn to filter out the noise.

At the end of the day it's just a cartoon, nothing to get emotionally distraught over. Like whatever anime, cartoon, movie, etc, you want! If other people don't like the same thing as you, so what.


also doesn't hurt to avoid the comments section of EQD like the plague. XD
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Postby acksed (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 1:40 pm

Wylie wrote:I own Disney stock, for example, which means I get a vote at the shareholder meetings. They send out a letter to let you vote by mail, usually pre-filled-out for the way they want the vote to go. (Or it's simply an authorization for you to allow someone there (usually a board member) to vote on your behalf, which amounts to the same thing.)

What? That's the opposite of a vote. :starity: With the amount of shareholders, yes, it might be unwieldy, but a choice that is decided for you is no choice at all. Is this common? How many shares do you need before the decisions aren't made for you?
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 2:52 pm

A quick analogy is think if every American citizen hypothetically could vote on any piece of legislation and your member of Congress asked for you to pass power onto them because it's more efficient for a delegate to do it.

Really it's kind of the same thing here.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:12 pm

acksed wrote:What? That's the opposite of a vote. :starity: With the amount of shareholders, yes, it might be unwieldy, but a choice that is decided for you is no choice at all. Is this common? How many shares do you need before the decisions aren't made for you?


The snarky answer here is 51%, and it actually happens to be the non-snarky answer as well. Realistically, large funds and the board of directors themselves control a majority of the voting stock anyway, so the results of the "vote" are fairly predetermined.

Right before Michael Eisner left Disney, there was basically a shareholder revolt against him, led by a member of the Disney family that had been pushed aside by Eisner many years before. It got a ton of popular support, and lots of people signed their vote over to the dissenting Disney family member to show their support. Eisner's picks for the board of directors (which is what was being voted on in the shareholders meeting) still won, with something like 80% of the vote.

It was seen as a crushing PR loss for Eisner, even though his guys won, because these votes usually go through with 99.9% approval.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:18 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:21 pm

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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:37 pm

Star Platinum wrote:
edit: oh god why are there two "CompoundWord44" posters on the forums :gonkity: I'm pretty sure I've been reading some of your posts thinking you're the same person.


Oh :awkward: Well... the easiest way to separate us two is that we both like Applejack... :v: But in different ways.

I guess SoundMonkey44 is more of a Snow Miser who's all 'cool' with Post-Season One Applejack :flirt: while I'm more like the Heat Miser who's all grouchy and 'boiling' over everything about AJ post Season One :angry:

... Heh, given that I live in a hot sweating country while SM44 lives in Southern America where snow does occur, I guess the Heat and Snow Miser comparison works :gotcha:

(... but really, I registered first on TRS and I just happened to like "44")

EDIT; In case you're uncouth

Have some culture! :party:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 4:28 pm

I'm too much! :flirt:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 4:33 pm

Dexanth wrote:A quick analogy is think if every American citizen hypothetically could vote on any piece of legislation and your member of Congress asked for you to pass power onto them because it's more efficient for a delegate to do it.

Really it's kind of the same thing here.


Yeah, it's called proxy voting (giving someone else the right to vote in your place) and it's pretty standard. It doesn't take away your ability to vote how you like -- you always have that right -- but if you're a shareholder who doesn't care about Hasbro's internal business, like who sits on the board or whether to issue stock, then you can sign a proxy card that says, "Management can use my vote(s) for whatever decision they want." When they mail your card, you also get a list of what issues are up for a vote and how management plans to vote, so you know how your vote will be used if you go the proxy route.

Of course if management already owns 51% of the stock to begin with, then the whole thing's a formality.
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Postby MasterOfKnees (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 11:15 am

I'm surprisingly fine with this. I mean, sure I wouldn't have complained if it aired in Fall as per usual, but halfway through S4 my Pony hype was just completely burned. I figure that if I go almost a full year without any kind of new Pony (not watching anything related to EqG) I'll be totally set for 26 fresh episodes. Besides, this Season has kept us occupied up 'till May, I'm fairly certain that's the latest a Pony season has ended into the year (S3 was February, S2 was April iirc, not sure about S1), so we'll still be further ahead. Who knows, maybe the wait won't even be longer than it was between S3 and S4, and if it's no biggie.
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