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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:11 am

I was watching the Tony awards earlier, and the winner for Best Featured Actress In A Musical closed her acceptance speech by saying, "Friendship is magic!"

So there's that.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:14 am

Huh, I love the Tonys. Who won and what musical was it?
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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:34 am

It was Lena Hall, from Hedwig and the Angry Inch, for Best Performance in a Featured Role by an Actress in a Musical.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:53 am

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Given that they're allowed to compete in the Equestrian Games, it suggests that the Griffon Kingdom is part of the whole of Equestria. Kind of like how the Crystal Empire, despite the name, is part of Equestria.

Also, she's powerful enough to raise the Sun and the Moon. My guess is they show the proper respect.

According to the map, the griffons live across the sea to the east of Equestria. We know that Celestia hasn't claimed the entire world for herself, so the griffons in the Games were likely an act of goodwill diplomacy.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:45 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:Also, I would be more than happy if you use that post in your signatures or even the rules. If that gets in the rules, I might literally jump for joy.


It's practically enforced already. Anytime someone has nothing but negativity to bring to the forums, they get into arguments that progressively become shorter and involve more terrible posting, and eventually are put on probation, take some time off and come back feeling better, or are banned.

I guess we have PPPP now to bear the weight of people who just want to shitpost on their favorite forum now instead of talking about the show or engaging in real discussion about offtopic stuff, but if it's clear that you not only don't enjoy watching, but even talking about Ponies anymore, then yeah, I agree you shouldn't be allowed to post here if the behavior goes on for too long.

Then again, that would probably just turn the forums into a giant "I love the show!" hugbox, which I'm not sure about my feelings on, but I'm pretty sure the mods are averse to, and I respect their decisions.
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:55 am

Wylie wrote:I was watching the Tony awards earlier, and the winner for Best Featured Actress In A Musical closed her acceptance speech by saying, "Friendship is magic!"

So there's that.


And it looks like it was indeed a show reference. Which is kind of awesome. :anticipation:

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Hedwig is often called a cult musical, and it appeals to everyone—but especially misfits. Earlier you told us you watched the season finale of My Little Pony last night, which is another show with a huge cult following. Why do you like it?

When you watch it, it makes you super happy. You can’t really explain the feeling. The animation is super good, it’s really pretty to watch, and the music’s amazing. There are valuable lessons. The season finale was about the sacrifice you make for your friends, which makes you all stronger. She—Twilight Sparkle—had to sacrifice her magic. I’m a proud Pegasister. . . . I also watch Game of Thrones.

Maybe if we publicize it enough they’ll have you voice a new pony.

I would DIE if they asked me to be a character. I could be the rock ’n’ roll pony!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:57 am

Huh...well, we certainly know she can sing so it might be nice to have her on. :allears:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:29 pm

:yay: :"Why yes, I'd love to see Hedwig the Snowy Owl, and the Angry Inchworm!"
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:42 pm

Neil Patrick Harris is in that one, right? I really wish I could see it one day, it sounds really good.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:54 pm

I have to say, on the topic of negativity and the show, I don't think it's all that easy for some people to just "stop watching it". I mean, some people, myself included, really felt personally affected by some parts of the show earlier on. And as the show goes on, there have been some disappointments, and the number may seem to increase. So I'd say as a result of that feeling of being personally connected early on, it's almost rather harsh to just "stop watching". I mean, some people pretty much "swore" to stick with the show no matter what, and well, here we are. I just think that being able to stop watching, if someone had those kinds of feelings, is easier said then done.

Of course, I would say that it's entirely different if someone is just shitposting without feeling like having valid reasons for feeling the way they do.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:26 pm

Wylie wrote:It was Lena Hall, from Hedwig and the Angry Inch, for Best Performance in a Featured Role by an Actress in a Musical.

Here's her acceptance speech:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:41 pm

Aw, it's even nicer when you hear it. :allears:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:09 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I have to say, on the topic of negativity and the show, I don't think it's all that easy for some people to just "stop watching it". I mean, some people, myself included, really felt personally affected by some parts of the show earlier on. And as the show goes on, there have been some disappointments, and the number may seem to increase. So I'd say as a result of that feeling of being personally connected early on, it's almost rather harsh to just "stop watching".

I agree, and I don't want to be the guy who says, "Oh, you didn't like a thing? Get out!"

But... just, if you do feel like you're not enjoying episodes lately, maybe realize you don't have to convince everyone else that the episode (or the season, or the show) is bad. It felt this season like people really got locked into these arguments over whether episode X or character Y was totally mishandled, and there's no real point in trying to make everyone else feel bad about something they liked.

I wrote a bunch of words after the finale about the parts I didn't like, and then I moved on. Either people agreed with me, or they didn't. Either way is fine.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:27 pm

That's why I started staying out of the EqG forum. I realized that I was never going to like it, no matter how many shorts/movies/etc. come out, so I stopped posting there for the sake of those who do like it.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:26 pm


That's a really good mentality, for pony or otherwise.
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Postby Tears (?) » Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:37 pm

Seven Seas wrote:And it looks like it was indeed a show reference. Which is kind of awesome. :anticipation:

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Haha, that is so rad, Hedwig is amazing :whatsup:

At first I thought she was playing Hedwig, and was a bit :rariwhat: at the idea of a woman playing the lead in a musical about a transgender person, but I get it now, Neil Patrick Harris is Hedwig and Lena Hall plays her husband :vogue:

NPH is fucking great too, I just watched their performance from the Tonys. And that's such a fun, gushy acceptance speech too. I get the impression the Tonys might actually rule, it's got a reputation as the only fun award show.

Sidenote: Sleater Kinney did a version of Angry Inch with Fred Schneider from the B-52s and that has been my main dance round the apartment track for about three months now :flutterhat:

I know not everyone's down with random guest casting, and I'm not usually either, but if it got a Hedwig-style song into pone that would be cool. I don't think glam rock is too far removed from the show's MO to be weird.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:22 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:That's why I started staying out of the EqG forum. I realized that I was never going to like it, no matter how many shorts/movies/etc. come out, so I stopped posting there for the sake of those who do like it.


Aw, it's not like that. The whole EqG2 thing has gone 100% cheesy schlock. It's unmistakably bad but looks like it might be some crazy, stupid fun. :v: + :awesomedash:

In other words, everybody's a nay-sayer already. :smirk:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:57 am

I just spent some time reading up more on Hedwig on and it looks absolutely amazing. I really wish I could go see it. :wantitneedit:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:34 am

Homeswirl wrote:
Aw, it's not like that. The whole EqG2 thing has gone 100% cheesy schlock. It's unmistakably bad but looks like it might be some crazy, stupid fun. :v: + :awesomedash:

In other words, everybody's a nay-sayer already. :smirk:

That's just it, "100% cheesy schlock" is completely the opposite of what I want. I fell in love with FiM because of its sincerity, because of the heart and soul poured into its characters. Seeing them flattened like Rainbow Rocks seems poised to do just makes me sad.

(it also doesn't help that, visually, the EqG characters are uncanny-valley creepy for me :-I)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:13 am

I'm going to be completely honest here...I think EQG is perhaps one of the worst films in existance. Worse then Monster A Go Go, worse then The Creeping Terror, worse than Troll 2 or Birdemic.

I just...it's literally one of only the very few films that's brought me to loathe every single frame of it, the idea of it in the first place and makes me want to slap every single person who worked on it from the animators to the voice actors right in the face.
The only reason I can think of that it even got made is that some Hasbro executive needed quick money so a loan shark wouldn't rip out his organs.

I will never see this sequel. It doesn't deserve to exist and it's a soulless cash grab made by fatass old white executives with solid gold jacuzzis.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:56 am

I've seen worse, honestly.

EQG1 is bland and forgettable. My biggest problem with it are the character desings, with their weird proportions, toothpick arms and legs and uncreative clothing.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:15 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I'm going to be completely honest here...I think EQG is perhaps one of the worst films in existance. Worse then Monster A Go Go, worse then The Creeping Terror, worse than Troll 2 or Birdemic.

I just...it's literally one of only the very few films that's brought me to loathe every single frame of it, the idea of it in the first place and makes me want to slap every single person who worked on it from the animators to the voice actors right in the face.
The only reason I can think of that it even got made is that some Hasbro executive needed quick money so a loan shark wouldn't rip out his organs.

I will never see this sequel. It doesn't deserve to exist and it's a soulless cash grab made by fatass old white executives with solid gold jacuzzis.


I don't like the idea either, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as how you're describing it. There were some good moments, and at worst it was just mediocre. I actually like the shorts they've been using to promote the second movie, and while I'm sure it'll probably be bad, I'll still watch it when it comes out and form my own opinion.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:16 pm

It wasn't too bad; it could even be considered fun, if you ignore the problematic overtones of what it does to Pony as a girl-empowering property.

It's got good gags and fun characterization (that doesn't totally ape the show) and reasonable art, and is more genuinely fun to watch than a ton of animated "kids' movies" I could name. I would say its biggest failing is in the writing, in the larger "this is the story we are telling" sense; it doesn't feel like there's any purpose to it, and the scenes don't hang together very well, either in service of the overall story or as part of an artistic composition. (The Luna scene with the photo editing is particularly egregious.) It almost feels like it's a showcase of everything that people who don't like the McCarthy 2-parters tend to point out, writ large and stretched to movie length.

Point is, it bears serious criticism, rather than deserving to be completely dismissed out of hand and boycotted.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:22 pm

The entire concept of EQG just makes me angry...it seems so pointless and everything. It might be one of the few films to actually get me upset at its very existence and I honestly pray that EQG 2 bombs at the box office, just so I can pretend it never existed and that the franchise is dusted under the carpet.

I don't know why it has that effect on me and it makes me feel strange that I hate it so much. It's just a animated movie and yet it just strikes a nerve with me that gets me extremely upset, to the extent that it almost literally made me throw up in disgust. Why does it fill me with anger? :cry:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:40 pm

Robot B9, it's totally understandable to be angry. Honestly, I should be angry too, especially with the rumors running around about an Equestria Girls TV show and such that might actually have an effect on when Pony airs, but I always enjoy the movie when I watch it (admittedly that was just three times interspersed around the first few days it came out), and I thought the interpretations of stuff we knew so well were fun.

Does it undermine the spirit of the show? Absolutely. Does it express some secret desire of McCarthy and the gang to turn Ponies into EqG? I doubt it. In fact, I think they'd sooner try to make EqG more like Ponies if they could. To bring up my Lady and Saviour Faust and act conceited enough to think I know what she's thinking, I doubt she harbors ill-will towards McCarthy or any of the people who worked on the show. I think she understands the difficulties that come with being managed on a corporate level, maybe even despises corporations after all her negative run-ins with "the establishment" denying her, and I think we all know that she left for a reason. Basically, I'm guessing they'll want to keep these two as separate properties as best they can, with their own textures and universes, but what Hasbro says is what Hasbro says, and I'm guessing they talk about the tone and messages they want on top of all the product placement.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:44 pm

Yeah, for as much as I gripe and groan about EqG, I certainly don't blame Meghan and the gang for it. All signs point toward them wanting to keep EqG as separate from FiM as possible. Right now the most FiM has referenced EqG (beyond Flash Sentry, though his use in the show so far has been interchangeable with any other royal guard) is in the current arc of the comics, where "that other world" was mentioned once in passing and Spike mocked the fact that he was a dog there.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:51 pm

The Outlander wrote:Does it undermine the spirit of the show? Absolutely.


How?

No, seriously, how does it undermine the show's spirit? I've heard this said so many times, and I don't see it. It might transplant the characters into a high school setting, but it's still reaching for the same core themes and carries the same message about the magic of friendship. Just because it also employs high school stereotypes and stock plots doesn't invalidate its core message, especially considering how lazy FiM could get with its own plots and characters even when Faust was helming the show.

When I think of something that's undermining the source material, I think of the Transformers movies, Man of Steel, the first Scooby-Doo film, and others I have washed out of my mind. EG doesn't even come into radar range of those abominations.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:02 pm

The core message of FIM is that "there are all kinds of ways to be a girl". The message the EqG designs send is "all girls dress like this".

The designs and concept probably were done by a committee, focus grouped to hell and back. But the writing could have been much stronger than it was. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:07 pm

See...none of this is helping my feelings any. In fact, it's just making me more angry at Hasbro for coming up with the idea...I wish there was something I could do that could stop EQG from ever happening. I would give anything to just wish the entire thing out of existance. I might just light a candle in that old church in Guadalest to pray for its destruction.

The only thing I think that I can do is to buy as many EQG DVDs and toys as I can, destroy them all and mail the shattered and burnt remains to Hasbro out of protest as well as a rant on the franchise. But that would just be giving them money and wouldn't help any. It's a stupid crazy idea.

I hope the comittee that thought up of EQG ends up living the life of Joe Buck from Midnight Cowboy, complete with the adult theatre scene.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:15 pm

Nothing is worse then Birddemic or most of those things mentioned. :-/

It's fine to be morally against something. But saying it's the worst ever soley based on disliking he concept is abit silly, as far as films go, even just DTV films made to sell toys, Barbie, Brazt, Monster High & Hot Wheels are much worse.

EQG s only sin is *most likely cooperatly mandated*. Flawed designs.

Also, If were gonna talk about altering media history, I wish I could prevent Microsoft from ever getting into the video game industry, I wish I could prevent Dan Didio from going to work in comics, I wish I could travel to the past and tell myself to save money for a hot tub. :v:

I guess what I'm trying to say is irrational hatred gets one no where in life.... And we all wish we had a TARDIS.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:15 pm

To me, it feels like the EqG characters were dumbed down to the target audience, possibly in an attempt to make them more relatable to said audience. Consider how Lauren Faust decided to make the Mane Six be adults (even if they did act somewhat immature, though this went away over the course of S1) instead of kids or teens. She felt that that'd make them more interesting characters without preventing kids from relating to them. When Hasbro decided to turn them into (ostensibly) human teenage girls, they sacrificed a lot of that relatability for whatever reason.

(I honestly feel like they're less relatable in EqG. Talking, often anthropomorphized, animals have been a staple of our art and literature for millennia, since without that human factor in the way it's a lot easier for us to see ourselves in them, their stories and lessons, etc.)
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:18 pm

Venusy wrote:The message the EqG designs send is "all girls dress like this".


In all fairness, the (pony) Mane Six tend to dress exactly the same most of the time... :gotcha: It's not like the EqG girls aren't differentiated in behavior, either.

But then, I largely regard EqG as an entertaining piece of fluff, featuring replicas, somewhat flanderized, of known characters, and I can't really get worked up over a piece of fluff.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:20 pm

I just...I am literally shaking in rage at the thought of EQG now.
I need to lie down for a while, this whole discussion has gotten me too upset to think straight.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:27 pm

Venusy wrote:The core message of FIM is that "there are all kinds of ways to be a girl". The message the EqG designs send is "all girls dress like this".


This still bothers me, yeah. Skirts are fine, because being traditionally feminine is fine and plenty of girls enjoy wearing skirts just because, but I seriously think certain characters would object. Obviously we have Applejack and Rainbow Dash, but what about Pinkie, who might want something more mobile, or Fluttershy, who might not be comfortable expressing herself like that? Excuse me if I'm talking out of my ass here, as I'm a white cis- male and I'm probably about to say something ignorant, but it's my impression that it takes a feminine extrovert to want to wear a skirt, and really only Rarity fits that definition. Obviously Twilight is stuck with whatever the portal decided to give her, but there's also the fact that she was dressed by the show designers, not by the in-universe magic. Still, I don't see it as out-of-character for her to wear one, as I've always seen her as deeply in touch with both her feminine and masculine sides. She also probably doesn't have any idea about anthro-verse's fashion, so there's that.

Also, there's all the background ponies which are also wearing skirts. I can imagine that Hasbro forced those outfits on each of the mane six, but did they force that exact design on every single person in the school? I don't think that's likely, and it strikes me as laziness on the animators' parts.

The designs and concept probably were done by a committee, focus grouped to hell and back. But the writing could have been much stronger than it was. :pinkieshrug:


Pretty much this. The crew likes to maintain positivity when talking about and working on the show, I'm sure just as much for their own sakes as for ours, but it's pretty clear there's no soul in EqG. It's the fluffiest fluff to ever have fluffed, and even if it's enjoyable in a similar way and of a similar quality to Pony, it doesn't have the raw sincerity or demand of your attention that the mainline show does. It doesn't challenge you, it doesn't engage you in the new characters' lives, it barely even tries to have a strong moral. It's literally just a magical adventure that Twilight Sparkle goes on, and we're invited along for the ride to spectate her shenanigans.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:14 pm

EQG's existence was redeemed by Spike's completely deadpan "they're not gonna think any differently about you when they find out you're a pony princess in Equestria" :gotcha:

But yeah, I'd rather just ignore that it exists. At least it's good that it's getting a TV show because that probably frees up resources for an actual MLP movie :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:21 pm

So how about that E3!? *desperatly tries to change subject*
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:23 pm

This was silly nonsense that I did not mean to say. I regret posting such things that was here earlier.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:24 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:So how about that E3!? *desperatly tries to change subject*


That kind of sucks and is slightly depressing as well, do you really want me to rant about that instead? :P
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:40 pm

Venusy wrote:The core message of FIM is that "there are all kinds of ways to be a girl". The message the EqG designs send is "all girls dress like this".


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You know what? Fuck it. I'm not going over this shit again.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:07 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Wait...it's getting a TV series? Fuck the world, there is no Supreme Being. This is the worst possible news I could have ever heard in my life short of Russia launching nukes against the US. I hope it gets cancelled after its pilot and that its creator ends up bankrupt.

I'm going to have to lie down again before I go absolutely stir crazy over this.



Go home robot you're drunk!

Also, good lord I would hate to see how you'd react if something really bad hsppened. :starity:


And thank you for reminding me why I need to start ignoring forums & fanbases...

So much over the top pointless childish hate... It's making me physically Ill as well, I need to lie down.
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