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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:20 pm

Cadance is just kind of there for me. I think the show has really dropped the ball on developing her. Three's a Crowd was a start but there is a long way to go.

I will say I am not a fan of Cadance' color scheme though.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:24 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:From what I understand of the circumstances of her introduction, they were not exactly auspicious ones. Didn't she and Shining Armor first pop up in advertising for the finale, with no hint as to their purpose in the story? Back then Celestia and Luna, the immortal sun/moon god-queens of Equestria, were the only two alicorns to exist, and then suddenly here's this weird pink one out of nowhere. I can understand why people would be upset over that.


Ah yes the year was 2011. The month of December. Hype for the show, and indeed the fandom was soaring to new heights (I myself had only been into the show for a little over two months and had just found EQD) when suddenly it happened.

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Yeah so EQD posted this image and then.....the comment sections literally exploded.

And then turned into a battlefield for the next four months.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:27 pm

I remember I was pretty apathetic toward Cadance until I saw this.

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Now she's... okay she's still technically my least favorite princess, but at least I still like her a lot.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:28 pm

The Doctor wrote:Cadance us just kind of there for me. I think the show has really dropped the ball on developing her. Three's a Crowd was a start but there is a long way to go.

I will say I am not a fan of Cadance' color scheme though.


But....but frozen yogurt mane.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:36 pm

Yeah, I really like her mane colours as well, they're very soothing to the eyes.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:39 pm

She's also got Fleur Dy Lys's body designs, and I liked Fleur Dy Lys when Sweet and Elite came out, and I like the purple gradient on her wings.
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:44 pm

Doesn't Fleur have a princess design, though? :rariwhat:
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:46 pm

DerFurShur wrote:She's also got Fleur Dy Lys's body designs, and I liked Fleur Dy Lys when Sweet and Elite came out, and I like the purple gradient on her wings.

Would you say that her wings are so pretty? :allright:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:50 pm

More or less, but Cadance and Fleur have a few things in common that they don't share with Luna and Celestia, like their head shape, and they're both a little sleeker body-wise.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:50 pm

Doctor Wheeze wrote:Would you say that her wings are so pretty? :allright:



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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:57 pm

The yellow part of Cadance's mane goes well with her pink coat, but dumping magenta and purple all over that feels a little bit haphazard. Besides, I can think of another pony who pulls yellow and pink off far better.
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:58 pm

DerFurShur wrote:More or less, but Cadance and Fleur have a few things in common that they don't share with Luna and Celestia, like their head shape, and they're both a little sleeker body-wise.


Well, maybe if Celestia didn't eat all that cake... :wink:

And, I never really noticed that... I thought they were all the exact same in terms if style...

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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:59 pm

Eh it's more blonde than anything, and the purple just goes with the purple on her wings, and the pink they'd use for her mane wouldn't be the same pink for her coat.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:03 pm

DerFurShur wrote:
But....but frozen yogurt mane.

Not a big fan of yogurt...
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:06 pm

Well then you were just doomed from the very beginning.
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:13 pm

Cadance's characterization saved her, and by extension the idea of more than two alicorns. If she had bombed, Princess Twilight would have been an outright disaster.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:16 pm

I've been meaning to ask you, DerFerShur...is that favourite pony list in your signature in order of how much you like them?
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:21 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I've been meaning to ask you, DerFerShur...is that favourite pony list in your signature in order of how much you like them?


Oh no, that's just the order I found smiles of them I liked (or had no choice in the matter because we need more Cadance smiles)

In terms of how much I like them it goes

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[and here's where I'd put my Coco Pommel one]
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:33 pm

I'd like to see more of both Cadence and Shining Armor. I know he's in EG, but let's hope it's more than "LET THE GAMES BEGIN!" :notgonnadoit:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:42 pm

DerFurShur wrote: :allears:
:flirt: :vogue: S4 has catapulted AJ to Rarity-levels of amazingness



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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:48 pm

Coco Pommel? Is that the blue haired pony that gives Rarity the rainbow thread?

Sadly, there wasn't enough information for me to make an opinion on her... Her design was curious, yes, but I didn't see a lot... I also don't remember a lot about her.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:51 pm


Haha, I've never seen this before. Why on earth did they go to the effort of pasting the brand new dress designs over the stock clipart? Why not just use the show models???

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:57 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:I'd like to see more of both Cadence and Shining Armor. I know he's in EG, but let's hope it's more than "LET THE GAMES BEGIN!" :notgonnadoit:


It'd be great if he said it while making that face though. :-I

VoidChicken wrote:Cadance's characterization saved her, and by extension the idea of more than two alicorns. If she had bombed, Princess Twilight would have been an outright disaster.


This is actually an interesting bit of speculation.

What if there had never been a Cadance, but MMC happened?

Cadance served to transition the show's idea of princesses from being "the two untouchable immortals who control the world" to "an ill-defined class of authority figures with special powers who may or may not be drawn from the ranks of the normals". With the precedent of Cadance being a winged unicorn who was royalty but otherwise did stuff like serve as babysitter to some rando kid in the city, Twilight's ascension wasn't the jarring thing it could have been.

Yet it still spurred a still-unresolved debate over whether Twilight's new authority position is being well handled, whether her powers ruin her as a character and as a member of the Mane 6, whether story X makes her a Mary Sue, and so on. But what if Cadance had never been a thing in the show? What if Twilight's ascendance had been completely un-foreshadowed by anything that ever suggested that princesses could be things other than ethereal wavy-maned goddesses, let alone that normal ponies could become alicorns through certain Acts?

Wouldn't it have been more natural in a way? Certainly I imagine it would have worked better if MMC had been the series finale. Twilight could have been The One, something that had never existed before, the thing that changes everything everyone understands. Something something End of an Age, Grey Havens, Zion, yub-yub. Roll credits.

But even if the series had continued on—I think if they'd arrived at MMC without any precedent for "princess" meaning anything other than "sun and moon goddesses", they could very well have come up with something that would have worked. Season 4 would necessarily have been way different from what we have now, that's for sure. None of this messy-eater-of-hayburgers-and-jokes-about-being-a-crappy-flyer business. It would have involved a lot more cosmological myths and anime whizbang. The show would have been almost unrecognizable from S1-3. But I kinda get the idea that that's more or less what Lauren was steering toward, or would have if she'd been completely left to her own devices.

I guess what I'm asking is, given that Season 4 feels for all the world like Season 1 except Twilight has wings now and the Mayor comes to her for help with out-of-control fashion monsters instead of Twilight flailing her arms at the back of the crowd trying to get noticed, was Cadance in retrospect kind of a necessity for the universe, whether she's characterized well or not?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:07 pm

Richy33 wrote:Coco Pommel? Is that the blue haired pony that gives Rarity the rainbow thread?

Sadly, there wasn't enough information for me to make an opinion on her... Her design was curious, yes, but I didn't see a lot... I also don't remember a lot about her.


Every season, there seems to be a pony that has a major appearance in one episode then is rarely seen again that becomes wildly popular. Coco is the pony for Season 4.

(I really like her...)
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:20 pm

Without Cadence, Twilight's ascension would've carried an even greater sense of seriousness than it had. If the event were still to take place at the end of season three, it would have probably felt extremely jarring with respect to Twilight's character growth as we had seen so far. So, in that sense, introducing Cadence as a princess but not the Celestia/Luna kind of princess made it easier for a third season transformation of Twilight into a novice princess.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:43 pm

I like Cadence a lot. She's real cool. She needs more love. I'll give her some. :allright:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:14 pm

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Every season, there seems to be a pony that has a major appearance in one episode then is rarely seen again that becomes wildly popular. Coco is the pony for Season 4.

(I really like her...)

Cheese Sandwich and Maud Pie both seem to have received this level of admiration, too, from what I can tell.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:37 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Cheese Sandwich and Maud Pie both seem to have received this level of admiration, too, from what I can tell.


Maud owns. I'd change my ponytag to a Maud one if we had it.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:45 pm

Yea they knocked the 'one time only pony' stuff out of the park this season, everyone has felt like, ya know, a real character even if we have only one episode.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:47 pm

I don't think we'll see much of Cheese Sandwich again but I'd enjoy it if Maud, Coco or Ms. Peachbottom make ssome more appearances.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:48 pm

My personal favorite has to go to Sea Breeze, though yeah, the others are all great too. :allears:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:52 pm

Hopefully one more Harshwhinny appearance to come Saturday.

I'd call Maud my second favorite "guest" pony. Wouldn't mind seeing her again sometime.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:53 pm

Who knows? Maybe she'll make more appearances in Season 5. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:57 pm

I guess we'll see. Pony always has some surprises, every season. :yay:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:06 pm

doodlesplat wrote:Without Cadence, Twilight's ascension would've carried an even greater sense of seriousness than it had. If the event were still to take place at the end of season three, it would have probably felt extremely jarring with respect to Twilight's character growth as we had seen so far. So, in that sense, introducing Cadence as a princess but not the Celestia/Luna kind of princess made it easier for a third season transformation of Twilight into a novice princess.


Yeah, Cadence demonstrated that "alicorn" did not necessarily equal "literal god with cosmic responsibilities". Without her, S4 would have seemed even more problematic w/r/t Twilight not doing much princessing -- since we would have expected so much more from the position. Celestia and Luna come off not merely as political leaders, but as a pantheon, and for Twilight to join THAT company would have brought huge changes and expectations. Luckily, Princess Frozen Yogurthead established that intermediate tiers exist, so to speak.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:12 pm

Having just Twilight become a princess would've been more interesting simply because of the neat thematic implications of Day->Night->Twilight. Now she's just shoehorned in with the pink one somewhere and I guess there's a rank of junior alicorn that gets filled as needed
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:35 pm

DerFurShur wrote::flirt: :vogue: S4 has catapulted AJ to Rarity-levels of amazingness



Quoted for Truth! :twasnothin:

Also. I will join the Cadence Support Party as well, For me my princess list goes.

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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:30 pm

Eh to me I find Celestia a bit more interesting than her old British Wizard counterparts because unlike the two of them, her plans succeed without her having to die at any given point.

:gotcha: Dumbly and Gandy need to step up their Chessmaster Game
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:44 pm

DerFurShur wrote:Eh to me I find Celestia a bit more interesting than her old British Wizard counterparts because unlike the two of them, her plans succeed without her having to die at any given point.

:gotcha: Dumbly and Gandy need to step up their Chessmaster Game


I'm actually wondering if she'll finally get a checkmate in this season finale, I mean if she Transfers her magic to Twy, she doesn't have it to keep her 1000+ year old flank young anymore! I mean Cadence is still young, and Luna has the moon Banishment loophole, but I wonder if giving up her magic up, even for a short time might cause her to kick the bucket...or at the very least get all old & wrinkly like Granny Smith!? :gotcha:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:10 pm

I would give a lot to see old cranky bad hip Celestia.

Or maybe I just want to hear Nicole Oliver say words like "whippersnapper" and "lumbago".


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