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Re: How Pony is Formed: Production and Business Thread

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:40 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Personally I think what matters most is just staying true to the spirit of the show, if the writers be it 4 or 12, old or new, can do that. That's all that matters in the end, and yeah not like we went out of our way to see who wrote what episode of a cartoon or dub script of an anime for everything we watched when we were kids. So while ill always be interested to see who's writing for ponies. Ill care more about the actual content of the episode.

See, I'd be worried about this if people like Meghan McCarthy, Jayson Thiessen, and Big Jim Miller all got up and left. If a whole bunch of people moved on all in the same season then things would look bad, but done gradually (as with Lauren Faust and Rob Renzetti) it can be managed.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:54 am

Especially if they leave for normal scheduling/career reasons, not because of big tumultuous creative differences.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:03 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:See, I'd be worried about this if people like Meghan McCarthy, Jayson Thiessen, and Big Jim Miller all got up and left. If a whole bunch of people moved on all in the same season then things would look bad, but done gradually (as with Lauren Faust and Rob Renzetti) it can be managed.



I agree. If the big guns left it would be worrisome but if they could get equally competent people I'm sure they could adapt.


Speaking of which if Meghan did leave, who would you want to take over as head writer/ story editor if you could pick anyone for the position. Personally I would pick AKR, Powell, or if they were avalible again at the time Larson or Cindy. Or again if she could be bribed into it *with lots of candy of course*. I would love to see Rebeeca Sugar on pony in any way, shape or form.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:07 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Speaking of which if Meghan did leave, who would you want to take over as head writer/ story editor if you could pick anyone for the position. Personally I would pick AKR, Powell, or if they were avalible again at the time Larson or Cindy. Or again if she could be bribed into it *with lots of candy of course*. I would love to see Rebeeca Sugar on pony in any way, shape or form.

Merriwether Williams.

No, I'm not trolling. She's actually good at organizing stories. She knows how to hold a writers' meeting, she knows how to edit stories, and she's great at story structure. And, of course, she has over 10+ years of experience as story editor on other shows. So yeah, I'd pick her to be the story editor.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:10 am

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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:16 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

I agree. If the big guns left it would be worrisome but if they could get equally competent people I'm sure they could adapt.


Speaking of which if Meghan did leave, who would you want to take over as head writer/ story editor if you could pick anyone for the position. Personally I would pick AKR, Powell, or if they were avalible again at the time Larson or Cindy. Or again if she could be bribed into it *with lots of candy of course*. I would love to see Rebeeca Sugar on pony in any way, shape or form.



Well..... Merriweather Williams technically has the most experience of the lot. Im sure the internet would rage but it's not like Hasbro/the writers really care or be affected by it.

I'd say AKR would be nice but from her episodes, I get the feeling she's mostly into the slice of life episodes. Episodes that really don't feel... big? Consequential?
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Like, I get this feeling that for a two parter, it'd be some slice of life episode with Pinkie Pie being as loud as possible. :smile: :notgonnadoit:

But that's probably unfair to judge. As it is probably unfair to judge MW without seeing what she'd do on FiM as story editor :-P

I don't watch Adventure Time but Rebecca Sugar sounds like a nice candidate because a.) those awards :smirk: b.) she's a storyboard artist. In a perfect world, having someone who writes for the episode AND would be there for the storyboarding could possibly be a match made in heaven (clear direction/guidance) and I dont know if McCarthy, solely a writer, does even go to those storyboard meetings.

Also, she (writer) worked with Merriweather Williams (story editor) before on Adventure Time (and got two awards for it) :smirk:

So, realistically. I'd say MW is my pick. Not my favorite writer, but she's improved and let's not forget, her talents lies as a story editor. Maybe she's REALLY effective as a story editor, more so than a writer ergo she could potentially handle FiM really well
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:22 am

And the workload would prevent her from writing actual episodes :v: I kid, I kid
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:27 am

Headless Horse wrote:And the workload would prevent her from writing actual episodes :v: I kid, I kid

Actually, from what her former co-workers said about her, Merriwether is a really fast writer, having done alot of writing on shows she story edited. If anything, she'll probably end up writing more episodes if she took over as story editor.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:28 am

Yeah, Rebbeca is an awesome gal, her Adventure Time episodes are some of my favs. She really knows how to write Marceline and actually gets you to feel sorry for the ice king. I think she could do a bang up Job on pony! Sadly she's busy with her own series Steven Universe ATM. I'd also love to see Bee & Puppycat Creator Natasha Allegrei do an ep, preferably A pinkie pie one.

As for controversial writers, I'd be fine with Dave Polsky becoming story editor someday, I know some dont like him, but I've enjoyed most his episodes, and as you said, just because someone may be a controversial writer doesn't mean they might not do better in another position. Heck he's directed toons before ( Buzz on Maggie). And he's supposedly the Director on the Sonic Boom cartoon in the works, so I could see him being a competent story editor, even if people don't like his episodes doesn't mean he couldn't see a good episode from another writer when one came up, or that he couldn't find good talent to add to the writing pool. Although it would probably mean the season openers would be controversial from now on. :gotcha:

Seriously though I think Polsky is a great guy, and I feel bad about all the guff he gets at time. Sure he and Williams screwed up with SAYS. But I've honestly enjoyed his other episodes. FPK, OAB, and TMPPs were all fun eps. Also ...I wanna see Little Strong Heart & Breaburn again. :twasnothin:
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Postby Nissl (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:18 am

For story editor, I'd take Larson if he were available. He has lots of ideas, and I think applying his lore nerdery to scripts would benefit a lot of them. If not, Powell pending her S4 episodes. She seems to have a great feel for the world and all of the characters. I think all of the returning people would have some strengths as story editors, though.

SoundMonkey44 wrote:As for S4 having so many writers, my guess that as the show has gained more popularity over the years, more writers wanna take a whack at it.


Certainly I wonder if one or two of these writers would have passed if it weren't for the show's popularity, but don't forget that Levinger said she had never heard of the adult fandom before being hired. So there's a mix of motivations.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:31 am

How long so story editors generally stick to a project? Renzetti left after two. It seems like MW leaves after 26-ish eps in her other shows. I dont know about most other shows

I wonder if McCarthy would leave after S4.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:57 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:How long so story editors generally stick to a project? Renzetti left after two. It seems like MW leaves after 26-ish eps in her other shows. I dont know about most other shows

I wonder if McCarthy would leave after S4.

It depends, really. Merriwether was a story editor on "Camp Lazlo" through all 5 seasons (59 episodes), for example, and over 46 episodes of "SpongeBob" during the golden years. She story edited the first two seasons of "Adventure Time"
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:46 pm

Is Morrow confirmed for S4? You don't have her on your list in any way, so I'm guessing she's in limbo?

I'd definitely put 'Bring Larson back as Head Writer' if McCarthy left. Morrow would probably be my #2.

I wouldn't want Williams as head writer because even if she is great at editing, that also puts the Lore of the world under her control, and her vision of it thusfar doesn't interest me at all.

Were I taking a Dark Horse candidate, put Corey Powell in the job.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:49 pm

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Postby Frith (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:24 pm

Cindy Morrow would be my favourite for the next story editor, because she's my favourite writer in the series and she seems to have a lot of experience in the animation industry.
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:44 pm

Morrow is a competent song writer, and an editor would need those skills for the big episodes, so Morrow is a good choice.
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Postby Grue (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:39 pm

Maybe they can get Renzetti back if Gravity Falls is cancelled (sorry Gravity Falls fans :-I )
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:43 pm

Grue wrote:Maybe they can get Renzetti back if Gravity Falls is cancelled (sorry Gravity Falls fans :-I )


Given how Disney's treated that show, that might be a very real possibility. (The cancelling, I mean; he's never coming back to pony.)
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:51 pm

From what AKR said (before it was deleted), Hasbro Studios pissed off Renzetti and left the show in bad terms. So yeah, I doubt he'll return.
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Postby Tears (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:56 pm

Mr. Big wrote:It depends, really. Merriwether was a story editor on "Camp Lazlo" through all 5 seasons (59 episodes), for example, and over 46 episodes of "SpongeBob" during the golden years. She story edited the first two seasons of "Adventure Time"


That's really interesting, and highlights the issues with second-guessing new writers based on their existing track records. If Williams was in the list of new writers for season four, and people looked her up and saw that she'd presided over the best years of Spongebob, and a lot of Adventure Time, she would be by far the writer people were most excited about, across every pony board.

And she's turned out to be the most divisive writer the show's ever had. I think a lot of that stems from MMDW being her first episode of the show - if our introduction to her on poni had been Hearth's Warming, I don't think she'd have ended up being the cause celebre she turned into. But still.

And then there's Corey Powell, who doesn't have many other credits to her name, and debuted with Sleepless in Ponyville.

This isn't an anti-Merriweather post, I'm just thinking about how she's regarded in some quarters. The point is that you could have someone who spent years on the Powerpuff Girls and moved onto Pixar after, and that person might not be a perfect fit for the show. You just don't know until you see their episodes.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:59 pm

Mr. Big wrote:From what AKR said (before it was deleted), Hasbro Studios pissed off Renzetti and left the show in bad terms. So yeah, I doubt he'll return.

Of all the mysteries involved in the production of FiM, this is the one I want to hear about the most. What exactly was it that upset him to the point of resignation? It's a pity that we'll almost certainly never know.
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Postby Discord (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:00 pm

And she's turned out to be the most divisive writer the show's ever had. I think a lot of that stems from MMDW being her first episode of the show - if our introduction to her on poni had been Hearth's Warming, I don't think she'd have ended up being the cause celebre she turned into. But still.


It very much does stem almost entirely from MMDW. I can't say I've had a problem with any of her episodes since then- I think they're pretty good, especially Putting Your Hoof Down. I'm sure there are those that dislike even her later episodes, but I think most would agree that none of her later efforts were as bad as MMDW.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:03 pm

Grue wrote:Maybe they can get Renzetti back if Gravity Falls is cancelled (sorry Gravity Falls fans :-I )



Actually season 2 was just finally officially announced yesterday. It will begin airing shortly after season 1 wraps up in August. But yes, sadly I could see the second season being the last. Most great toons don't last long sadly. It's still kind of a small miracle MLP is getting a 4th season.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:04 pm

Yeah, MMDW being her first episode probably tarnished her. If something like "Putting Your Hoof Down" aired first, I'm sure she'd be regarded positively.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:45 pm

Regarding what was said about Larson a while back being not the best writer but the most consistent... yeah, that kind of fits. He seems to have headed up the majority of the significant "big event" episodes so far, the ones that are plot-heavy or feature a lot of world-building, and he's never written an episode that I'd say did anything particularly out of character. Between an apparent eagerness to expand the world of the show and a grounded approach to character development, I'd say he'd make an excellent showrunner, especially if he were to keep pitching episodes and get "story by" credits.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:52 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

Actually season 2 was just finally officially announced yesterday. It will begin airing shortly after season 1 wraps up in August. But yes, sadly I could see the second season being the last. Most great toons don't last long sadly. It's still kind of a small miracle MLP is getting a 4th season.


Look at it this way. Gravity Falls is planned for three seasons. We're halfway there, I'd like to be optimistic and think they'll greenlight the final season.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:55 am

Tailspin wrote:
Look at it this way. Gravity Falls is planned for three seasons. We're halfway there, I'd like to be optimistic and think they'll greenlight the final season.



I hope your right! It deserves to get to tell its whole story! *knock on wood*
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:35 am

EquestriaGuy wrote:Morrow is a competent song writer, and an editor would need those skills for the big episodes, so Morrow is a good choice.



Morrow herself admitted in her interview that she thinks she's not a good lyricist (i.e. Raise this Barn)

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Given Renzetti's credits, with a lot of his cartoons probably having a lot of freedom, I wouldnt be surprised if he didn't like how controlling Hasbro was.

I mean, one of the storyboarders for Apple Family Reunion said they actually had to fight with Hasbro to get that scene where Applejack uses Spike to light the firewood up.

Whaddafuq :v:
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:45 am

I think Morrow is just being modest. She wrote Winter Wrap Up, CMC Theme, and Babs Seed. I liked Raise This Barn anyways.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:01 am

Renzetti worked as a director on "Family Guy" once. I'd think that job was even more restrictive than Pony (the job's pretty much just moving shit from one desk to another), but yeah, the level of executive meddling from Hasbro probably soured him out of Pony.
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Postby ComradeCosmobot (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:31 am

Mr. Big wrote:Renzetti worked as a director on "Family Guy" once. I'd think that job was even more restrictive than Pony (the job's pretty much just moving shit from one desk to another), but yeah, the level of executive meddling from Hasbro probably soured him out of Pony.


Well it's worth remembering that Lauren also left after writing season 2 as well, so one must wonder if the two departures were connected.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:33 am

ComradeCosmobot wrote:
Well it's worth remembering that Lauren also left after writing season 2 as well, so one must wonder if the two departures were connected.

I figured that Renzetti stuck around a bit longer than Lauren. Only half of season 2 was fully written when she left; the other half were in planning stage.
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Postby ComradeCosmobot (?) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:51 am

Mr. Big wrote:I figured that Renzetti stuck around a bit longer than Lauren. Only half of season 2 was fully written when she left; the other half were in planning stage.


I thought she stated outright that the writing was basically all done when she left. She officially left at the end of season 1's airing (near beginning of May) and the script for Hearth's Warming Eve was locked in mid-February, for comparison.

Maybe she actually left earlier but if she did I'm not aware of it.
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Postby Nissl (?) » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:26 pm

Her DeviantArt faq says that only about half of the S2 scripts were locked when she left (last question in the MLP section).

I believe she left several weeks before the end of S1, as well, but didn't announce it until after the last episode had aired.
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Postby beau (?) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:31 am

Mr. Big wrote:Yeah, MMDW being her first episode probably tarnished her. If something like "Putting Your Hoof Down" aired first, I'm sure she'd be regarded positively.

Here's the funny thing for me, I loved Mare Do Well. Everything about it.

Putting Your Hoof Down... not so much. Everyone was a jerk in that episode and they cranked it up to 11. That does not a good episode make, in my opinion.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:26 am

Looks like Sibsy is done storyboarding for S4 (at least for her)
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Damn, and S4 only begins premiering in about 3 months :shocktavia:

Edit: Derpibooru hasnt posted the latest tweet from her (and im on a phone :-/ ) but Sibsy later explained that she'll hopefully return if S5 will be a thing (so no, she's unlikely to be done with FiM for the foreseeable future)
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:40 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Damn, and S4 only begins premiering in about 3 months :shocktavia:


Is that a note of anxiety I detected there? Are they behind schedule? Should we start fretting?
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:20 pm

Should we start fretting?
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:25 pm

doodlesplat wrote:Should we start fretting?
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In the past, there have been something like 6-8 storyboarding teams of two that work on pony; with season 4 having 26 episodes, and using a conservative estimate of 8 teams and a maximally-short release schedule of one per week, less one assuming the two-part premiere happens simultaneously, and assuming Sibsy finished on-time, we can conclude that the storyboards for which she has just finished belongs to no earlier than episode 17 which shall not premiere until at least the 22nd of March, 2014, giving DHX over 31 weeks to finish that episode, so everything is going to be fine!
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Postby EquestriaGuy (?) » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:33 pm

doodlesplat wrote:Should we start fretting?
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