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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:55 am

I don't understand why you feel that way either, Applecobbler. If anything, Applejack has had the most development out of all the Main Six from Season One to today. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:23 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:I don't understand why you feel that way either, Applecobbler. If anything, Applejack has had the most development out of all the Main Six from Season One to today. :pinkieshrug:


I disagree, but to nowhere near the same degree as Cobbler.

Since Season 2, AJ's character and episodes have shifted to becoming "Apple Family" episodes instead. Big Mac, Granny Smith and Apple Bloom arguably play bigger roles in the show than AJ does these days, and her perpetual role as the show's straight pony just makes it worse. Before Season 4, the only time she truly went crazy was during Applebuck Season, the fourth episode; ever since then, she was mostly just the country pony to Rarity's fashionista, or the sensible one in a conversation. And none of that is necessarily bad, but when it's what the writers keep doing with her, it becomes tiresome.

That being said, Season 4 was a boon to AJ in a lot of ways. The "Apple Family" motif continued, but then Pinkie Apple Pie dragged a grey cloud over the once-sunny skies and made the family a lot more realistic. While Somepony to Watch Over Me was overall a meh episode, it did allow AJ to be awesome again when it wasn't making her overprotective. She even had one of the most effective Key moments, even if everything else in the episode was just okay. Furthermore, the AJ-Rarity feud was brought back, and used to glorious effect in Simple Ways. Even her practicality got turned about in Princess Twilight Sparkle, where what is actually a sensible precaution (keep one of the only two royal ponies left out of the danger zone in case they failed) ended up hurting her friend and nearly dooming Equestria.

AJ's character hasn't evolved so much as slid around, but she's still the same basic character she's always been. She's a hard-working pony who loves her job, her family, and her friends, and will do anything for them. Any faults she has were still evident in the Faust-Renzetti days, and she was pretty underutilized then as well. She's the straight mare, so she'll never be as wild or as popular as the other characters, but that does not make her bad or uninteresting.

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That being said, I still stand by my statement that Luna is kind of defined just by that dream walking thing now, and hasn't gotten much development since S2.


You have to love the comic's politically incorrect, racist, cute-but tyrannical Princess Luna.

Also note that Luna was dead-serious in the first part of Equestria Girls, even as she casually slid Pinkie far, far away from the mirror. In public, she seems to be the more serious of the two; when out of the limelight, she can be goofy.
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:53 am

Holy smokies, "This Day Aria" has 25.4 million views on YouTube. :damn:

Also I'm listening to "At the Gala" again (I'd say it's been a year since my ears heard it) and I just want to mention it is still the greatest pony song. Thanks for your time.

UPDATE: guess I'm just gonna go through all the memorable songs before I nap tonight. Get all those fun memories back.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:31 am

Wow, that's more than any other pony thing I've seen on YouTube.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:14 pm

On Applejack: Let's not forget about Bats! as well, which managed to completely avoid her family save for one mention which explained their absence.
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:04 pm

There is an actual serious academic conference being held today that is devoted to My Little Pony.

http://arts.brighton.ac.uk/research/res ... ittle-pony

Folks, we've hit the big time. :wingsright:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:32 pm

Well...we've done it. That is just awesome. :allears:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:36 pm

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I will literally never understand why you think AJ went downhill after Season 1. Like, seriously, never. She really only had one episode of her own in Season 1!


I too consider this one of the great mysteries of the Internet. :v:


There is just the fact some people are never happy no matter what a show/comic etc does with a character they like. I think this may be a variation of that.

@insert: Luna is not racist or Any of those things in the comic...wtf Dood. :v:




Anywho. Academic conference on pony!? Awesome! :party:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:40 pm

Seven Seas wrote:There is an actual serious academic conference being held today that is devoted to My Little Pony.

http://arts.brighton.ac.uk/research/res ... ittle-pony

Folks, we've hit the big time. :wingsright:

I honestly never thought something like this would ever happen. Some of these, especially those last three, read like ultra-fancy versions of threads we'd otherwise have here. Look:
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• Andrew Crome (University of Manchester): Rarity Has Tea with Jesus – Christian Bronies and the Exploration of Religion in Imagined Worlds
• Jen Cresswell (University of Edinburgh): The Classical World is 20% Cooler – Greco-Roman Pegasi in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
• Sam Crook (Northumbria University) Fluttershy, Twilight Sparkle and the Power of Introverts in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:44 pm

The Power of Introverts sounds fun. :v:
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:24 pm

Apparently the teatime refreshments at this conference were muffins and apple products. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:42 pm

What, no cupcakes or cider? :offendash:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:46 pm

InsertAuthorHere wrote:AJ's character hasn't evolved so much as slid around, but she's still the same basic character she's always been. She's a hard-working pony who loves her job, her family, and her friends, and will do anything for them. Any faults she has were still evident in the Faust-Renzetti days, and she was pretty underutilized then as well.


While Applejack always has and always will be my favorite, I think this really hits the nail on the head. While she has changed since Season 1, it's usually really subtle. I find a lot of cause and effect in that there's a lot of overarching problems that hurt her as a character. Not making earth ponies interesting (not "equally powerful" but interesting) gives her less on a magical/special powers level. Not acknowledging the parents issue cuts off a major piece of development and sorta talks down to the audience. It's a tragedy that her entry in the two Sisters book wasn't directly in StWOM. Showing her with a successful farm misses out on showing some life struggle. Being broke or having the barn get destroyed is only ever used for laughs.

I think the thing that stands out with AJ is missed potential. She sits in a place where you can tell different stories from the rest of the Mane 6 but those stories don't get told. What I liked about S4 is that it felt like the writing staff was really trying to do more with her than just throwing their hands in the air and saying she's too hard to write for. It's why I love the fact that Flim & Flam have cemented themselves in archnemesis status since that can be used to push her and get under her skin. I think the thing they missed out on in early development was giving her a good secondary goal outside of the day to day work on the farm. It's a shame that the whole "unfinished novel" bit from SAYS seems to just be a blink and you'll miss it joke than an actual plot idea.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:15 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I don't understand why you feel that way either, Applecobbler. If anything, Applejack has had the most development out of all the Main Six from Season One to today. :pinkieshrug:


I would disagree, AJ from the start has been the most "grounded" of the Mane 6. Her only real character flaw is sometimes thinking she needs to do everything herself. Where Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and Twilight are all working towards goals, the other three are already where they want to be in life. And of those three, AJ doesn't have as much to overcome. I've never disliked AJ episodes the way others have, and think they do a great job of working with that and letting her shine. Sisterhooves Social is a good example of that.


I'd say Rainbow Dash has had the most cahracter development. She had a dream, she was willing to give it up. She's also become more empathetic towards others. While she's always had a bit of a soft/protective spot for Fluttershy, we get to see in Sleepless in Ponyville her genuinely trying to bond with Scootaloo, well before the events at the end of the episode. And overall, she's had her ego deflated a bit, and has grown from it. We see in "Hurricane Fluttershy", "Rainbow Falls", and "Equestria Games" that she isn't all about winning anymore. She can enjoy the attempt.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:51 pm

Seven Seas wrote:There is an actual serious academic conference being held today that is devoted to My Little Pony.

http://arts.brighton.ac.uk/research/res ... ittle-pony

Folks, we've hit the big time. :wingsright:


For a while I've seen FiM having the potential to be an interesting case study in academics, like the original Star Trek is. I'm happy to see stuff like this going on.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:20 am

I wonder if research papers on the show will become more common as the show goes on longer.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:23 am

I'd be interested in reading research papers if they actually, well, put research into it. I was watching a report online and all someone did was talk about how they liked the characters, but kept bashing on how Fluttershy and Rarity were the worst. :-/ I wouldn't mind character analysis, but just talking about the show in a report for the sake of talking about the show I don't like,
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:24 am

Eh, these lectures seem like they're pretty high quality and probably won't fall into that.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:28 am

Oh right of course, we're talking about college level lectures. For a moment I was thinking of high-school level research papers. :-I
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:32 am

Seven Seas wrote:There is an actual serious academic conference being held today that is devoted to My Little Pony.


http://arts.brighton.ac.uk/research/res ... ittle-pony

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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:54 am

Does anyone know how those presentations actually went? And if there were papers to accompany them?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:16 am

I'd like to think there were transcriptions made, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:16 pm

doodlesplat wrote:Does anyone know how those presentations actually went? And if there were papers to accompany them?

Yeah, at academic conferences, every talk is usually backed up by a paper (or at least in-progress research). If anyone knows Foal Papers, he was there... I'll drop him a message and see if the papers are available for download.
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Postby Skipper (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:10 pm

I would be very interested in reading those papers if they are available.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:45 pm

I'd really like to read these papers as well, just to see what they said about the show in general.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:17 pm

With the power of my gangtag, I change this thread's topic to RARITY

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So this isn't exactly a Rarity related thought, but it's something I've wondered for a long time. Do you think the show-runners will ever give us a deeper look at the mane six's jobs? I like that they actually have full-time professions for the most part. Not only are their personalities different, but the nature of their work reflects those personalities in interesting ways and really helps to makes them complete characters. We know a lot about Rarity, Applejack, Rainbow Dash, and Pinkie Pie I guess, just based on what we've seen of them throughout the series, but there's no evidence as to where Twilight Sparkle or Fluttershy get their money from. At any rate, I think they could all do with some kind of focus episode, maybe just one that's like Cutie Mark Chronicles where the CMC learn about the importance of a cutie mark beyond just having it. Like, what they represent and how ponies apply their cutie marks in ways that gratify themselves or others.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:25 pm

Personally, I was always of the mindset that Twilight was a combination of living on scholarship funds and employed as emissary of Princess Celestia. A bit of a fusion of college grad student and government employee. Part of this is the actual friendship letters while she's also sent to organize local events that will have a royal presence. What interesting is that while all six save the world, Twilight's the only one can actually get a tax write off for it. This is compounded by Twilight being part of royalty now.

As far as Fluttershy? No clue.

With Pinkie Pie it's worth pointing out that she has more than one job. Her free time is not as infinite as it often looks.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:29 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:With Pinkie Pie it's worth pointing out that she has more than one job. Her free time is not as infinite as it often looks.

How do we know she has more than one job? If this is based off of her appearance in Twilight Time, I took that as her just happening to be eating at that restaurant at the same time as Twilight and the CMC.
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Postby Frith (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:33 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:As far as Fluttershy? No clue.

I have always thought that Fluttershy is paid by the local government to keep the animal population under control. Ponies seem to control all aspects of nature so I think they also try to control wildlife.
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:36 pm

I always thought Fluttershy is working for the town, taking care of the forest's wildlife and critters. Like a park ranger :allears:
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Pinkie Pie, now, I'm *pretty sure* Egophiliac's idea is *so canon you guys* that she's filthy rich and just bought Sugarcube Corner, now having a life-time supply of cakes and pies and donuts and muffins and oh my :-D
Alternatively it's a Crusty Crab situation in that Pinkie works pretty much for nothing and the Cakes can't find anyone else :amazing:

Rainbow Dash is Weather Patrol. Another government job, I guess :rainbert:

Rarity is a self-made woman :vogue:

So is Applejack :twasnothin:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:38 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:How do we know she has more than one job?


Erm, party planner and part time baker at Sugarcube Corners. Granted both seem to be rather lenient.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:40 pm

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Erm, party planner and part time baker at Sugarcube Corners. Granted both seem to be rather lenient.

Given the somewhat overlapping scope there as well as Sugarcube Corner's small size, I always just rolled those into one general job for her. Like you said, her actual duties seem to be quite lenient. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:41 pm

I guess you could describe Pinkie as a sort of artist. It's her job, her hobby, her passion. She loves doing parties and cheering up people, and she's not doing it for the money, she's doing it for the sake of doing it and because she wants to perfect it to a form of art.

Now, how she's paying the bills, no idea. I guess she's pretty much broke most of the time, spending all her money on perfecting the craft and buying supplies. Sort of like Rarity, I guess :party:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:47 pm

Well, she also lives in Sugarcube Corner, so I suppose the Cakes count her room as part of her pay. Her cheer is vital to keeping things running around town (see: MMC), so if she needs to "borrow" some of the store's budget for party supplies, I'm sure the Cakes don't mind.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:50 pm

Pinkie Pie's reason for being seems to be subtle but incredibly needed- she's the grease that keeps the emotional wheels of Ponyville turning.

I mean, look at what happened when Fluttershy got accidentally put into her role. The town very nearly rioted from sheer grumpiness. Considering how long she's been a resident, I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some official notice and a "Party Planner Of Ponyville" title stuck on her (not that Pinkie notices much official ANYTHING), with some help on the whole party supplies thing.

Arguably, she's part of the Ponyville emergency response team- after all, look at all those supply stashes and her supreme response to getting rid of the town-obliterating parasprite problem.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:52 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Well, she also lives in Sugarcube Corner, so I suppose the Cakes count her room as part of her pay. Her cheer is vital to keeping things running around town (see: MMC), so if she needs to "borrow" some of the store's budget for party supplies, I'm sure the Cakes don't mind.


Pinkie is half owner of Sugarcube Corner until the show says otherwise.

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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:56 pm

That's what I was talking about. It's too perfect :-D So until the show says otherwise I consider it canon :-I

Egophiliac is really good when it comes to hitting exactly the right notes. She really gets the feel of the show and how the characters work, I think.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:12 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Given the somewhat overlapping scope there as well as Sugarcube Corner's small size, I always just rolled those into one general job for her. Like you said, her actual duties seem to be quite lenient. :pinkieshrug:


That's an interesting difference in thought. While they overlap, I've always seen them as separate jobs. They probably do feed into each other though. She'll host most of her parties at Sugarcube Corners while they're her primary caterer.

AlliterativeAxolotl wrote:I guess you could describe Pinkie as a sort of artist. It's her job, her hobby, her passion. She loves doing parties and cheering up people, and she's not doing it for the money, she's doing it for the sake of doing it and because she wants to perfect it to a form of art.

Now, how she's paying the bills, no idea. I guess she's pretty much broke most of the time, spending all her money on perfecting the craft and buying supplies. Sort of like Rarity, I guess :party:


I don't see any of the Mane Six as being broke outside of Applejack and maybe Fluttershy. And AJ actually didn't have any money woes in S4. Definitely don't see Rarity as being (currently) poor and figure she's the second richest of the Mane Six after Twilight. When they told the stallions pulling AJ's stagecoach that they could triple her offer in The Last Roundup, I figured they actually could afford to do that.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:17 am

I subscribe to the theory that Pinkie is an alicorn and doesn't need to worry about money Pinkie holds two jobs, that of being a baker and being a party planner. Both these jobs pay extremely well but Pinkie is happy just living the way she is.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:20 am

So... Ummm.... Has anyone seen what Ashleigh posted on Twitter? IDK if it's appropriate to talk about it on this forum or not since it might lead to politichat, and it involves something prohibited on this forum.
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