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Postby Venusy (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:58 am

Huh, that looks very Kingdom Hearts-ish, I like that.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:26 am

See, that looks really good because it still seems to fit the show's style while making it 3D.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:11 am

Strangepony wrote:The pony creator goes 3d! :-I It's a whole new web thing that uses the VFM models you've all seen before.

http://ponylumen.net/

So, be ready for eye-burning OCs in 3d now. :-/


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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:35 am

This is why I hope whenever G5 comes around, it isn't a 3D-animated show. While Transformers animated in 3D I feel works fine, I feel MLP is something that doesn't translate well in that fashion, and should remain a 2D cartoon.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:39 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:This is why I hope whenever G5 comes around, it isn't a 3D-animated show. While Transformers animated in 3D I feel works fine, I feel MLP is something that doesn't translate well in that fashion, and should remain a 2D cartoon.


Hey, maybe they can blend 2D and 3D like that Paperman feature

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But srsly, I expect G5 to be 2D. Unless someone at Hasbro decides 3D is the way because of [insert 3D benefits] and also that Princess Sofia show is successful and in 3D, then :ponydrugs: will probably be in 2D. Though I would not be the least bit surprised if they decide to go the way of some action shows like Xiaolin Chronicles (or hey, remember THE REAL Johnny Quest?) where the fights/transformations are done in 3D entirely.

I mean, aren't a few things in FiM entirely done in 3D anyway? Like a few monsters?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:42 am

I think that G5 will definitely be 2D as well and will probably still be flash animated.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:24 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:I mean, aren't a few things in FiM entirely done in 3D anyway? Like a few monsters?

Yes, some of the most complex ones (particularly the timberwolves in SAYS) are done as 3D animations, though I've always felt like they still fit into FiM's style thanks to the various effects applied to them.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:55 pm

The Timberwolves looked really good so I think that 3D mixed with flash can work.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:41 pm

I'd like to see future installments beeither done in tradigital (mostly hand drawn with some CG i.e. Gravity Falls) or Toon Boom (digital animation but simulates hand-drawn animation really well i.e. Wander Over Yonder, the new Mickey Mouse Shorts) if only just to see if there'd be a difference
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I guess the only possible drawback of a non-flash MLP show would be that it'll be harder for fans to emulate the art style for their fan videos specifically, as easily since Adobe Flash/etc. is widely available (and usually not through legit means...). Like, who actually hand-draws their animation nowadays (sadly), let alone an individual? And Toon Boom, while available to the public, isn't as popular as Flash (also because TB is quite expensive). But then again veeeeery few fan animators actually do a great job on the flash. I mean, it's serviceable but a lot of them are stiff and sometimes awkward, even that Fall of the Crystal Empire video has some really stiff moments


Though I think emulating a non-flash show on a still image would still be possible :pinkieshrug: But since DHX claims that their in-house Flash engine is better than the normal version and is primarily used there (including for Johnny Test), I definitely see them going for flash again. Not that I have a problem with that necessarily, I mean, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends used flash really well, but again, I'd like to see if there still would be a difference between flash, hand-drawn/tradigital, Toon Boom, etc.

Preview Edit: I didn't exactly like the 3D timberwolves. I know, I know, they're supposed to look 'unnatural' or something along those lines but I honestly never was a fan of these arguments. Remember the Pegasus statue monster at the end of the Anastasia movie? Yeah, that looked very jarring and out of place when the movie was really well hand drawn 99% of the time. I think one of the only exceptions I'm okay with are with the use of 3D cars and vehicles. I think I preferred the Timberwolves from Family Appreciation Day more, which weren't in 3D to my knowledge
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:44 pm

The thing with flash is that it's cheap, but also effective when used correctly. So, I get the feeling they'll stick with it.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:02 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Hey, maybe they can blend 2D and 3D like that Paperman feature

That would be amazing if they did. I wonder where things will go from here. Each season of FiM keeps upping the visual quality but there's still some things traditional animation seems to do better. There's a few backgrounds in G3 that rival those in G4 but that's just as much of a side effect of the difference in their visual styles.
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Postby Grass (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:41 pm

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I've always really hated the SFM-style 3D ponies. There's something off about the proportions, especially with the heads. One of the only attempts at 3D ponies I've thought looked good was this low-poly Trixie by Egophiliac:

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Well you see. Ego is secretly a pony herself. :allears:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:16 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:
Hey, maybe they can blend 2D and 3D like that Paperman feature

:-P


I really hope Disney are going somewhere with that Paperman tech. That short was one of the most impressive feats of animation and design I've seen in a long time.

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Well you see. Ego is secretly a pony herself. :allears:


She's doing a great job considering the hooves, then! Must be a unicorn.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:27 am

Didn't you hear? All artists who work on pony or make pony related works are unicorns! They just hide out in elaborate human suits.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:14 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Didn't you hear? All artists who work on pony or make pony related works are unicorns! They just hide out in elaborate human suits.


The anthro pony thread takes a suprising turn.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:25 pm

No, these aren't anthroes, they're actual ponies just in rubber human costumes. :v:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:30 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:No, these aren't anthroes, they're actual ponies just in rubber human costumes. :v:


That's what they want you to think. :sbahj:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:27 pm

So...are they cool like Klattu from the original The Day The Earth Stood Still or are they bad, like the Body Snatchers?
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:28 pm

I think they just want to make cartoons. How evil. :sbahj:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:30 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:
I really hope Disney are going somewhere with that Paperman tech. That short was one of the most impressive feats of animation and design I've seen in a long time.


I'm willing to believe that one of the main reasons why Disney isn't producing any animated feature, show, or movie with this yet is mostly because they're waiting for the right time.

AKA: They're waiting till 3D animated features no longer make as much as they are now in the future.

Right now, Frozen and all those other 3D films are making the big mullah so I dont see any hurry for Disney or anyone else to rush back to the 'good ol' days' of the 2D animation era. That said though, 2D theatrical films probably and sadly wont be coming back ala Princess and the Frog. Instead, at the very least we have the Paperman tech that blends the two worlds seamlessly whilst still looking like a 2D piece just more modernized for today's "we like CG animation but eventually we might get bored of it" audience.

I'm really hoping they make use of this tech soon so we may see another Disney renaissance :allears:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:32 pm

Tailspin wrote:I think they just want to make cartoons. How evil. :sbahj:


:shock: Diabolical...
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:38 pm

What kind of monsters want to MAKE CARTOONS?! :gonkity:

Wait...Mr. Big is ONE OF THEM! :aghast:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:54 pm

Random post. Anyone else hate the pointless hate Pony Flash gets? I mean yea his human counterpart is a lost cause, but pony flash never did anything wrong damn it. He just exists! :gonkity:

I think we need all need to take a moment to hug a poor innocent pony who's life was ruined by his human counterpart. :fluttersmith:

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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:06 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Random post. Anyone else hate the pointless hate Pony Flash gets? I mean yea his human counterpart is a lost cause, but pony flash never did anything wrong damn it. He just exists! :gonkity:


On the one hand, he's there to justify a bland character who has barely any reason to exist.

On the other hand, the tantrums thrown whenever he shows up are both hilarious and depressing to behold.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:10 pm

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On the one hand, he's there to justify a bland character who has barely any reason to exist.

On the other hand, the tantrums thrown whenever he shows up are both hilarious and depressing to behold.



Mostly depressing IMO. I actually hope the show & comics implement pony flash more and develop him into his own character as to "justify his existence" in some fans eyes, and make him a better character then Brad could ever be. Flash/Shiny Team-up in an FF issue anyone!?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:22 pm

I hope he just maintains his current role (in FiM; EqG's Brad is a lost cause) of being one of the random guardsponies in the Crystal Empire. Meghan and the gang have said that they're trying to keep FiM and EqG separate, so I'm not worried.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:24 pm

I never cared for pony Flash, he had what, one appearance on the actual show, and wasn't even acknowledged? I wouldn't even call him a background character, because at least a background character has more than one appearance. So he appears too little for me to care. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:30 pm

Yeah, when there's people that are shooting their laptops over him (seriously, I've seen a GIF of someone doing just that) things are getting out of hand. He only made one background cameo and that's it. Nothing to get crazed over. Most people wouldn't even notice it...hell, I didn't even see his cameo at first!
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:32 pm

He's appeared twice in season 4, but yeah, they were very short instances, if anything just done for consistencies sake. And I don't see why Pony Flash can't be his own character separate from Brad. For all we know he could go on weekly epic adventures with Shining & Cadence. :pinkieshrug: :-P

I think at the very least he deserves just a much a chance as any other minor pony to be more then just whatever the fans percive of him.

IMO hate Brad all yea want, but let pony Flash at least try to prove himself.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:39 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I never cared for pony Flash, he had what, one appearance on the actual show, and wasn't even acknowledged? I wouldn't even call him a background character, because at least a background character has more than one appearance. So he appears too little for me to care. :pinkieshrug:

He had that one appearance in Three's a Crowd and also a single line in Equestria Games. Were it not for EqG, he'd otherwise just be a slightly different guard for Cadance and Shining Armor.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:51 pm

Oh right, that line too. But I mean, the fact that I forgot that I feels just shows how little he has to do with the show, and how honestly, he doesn't mean much.

If anything, I think the most we should think is "Hey, at least all the guards aren't just clones that look identical."
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:52 pm

Didn't they all look identical in Season One?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:54 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Didn't they all look identical in Season One?


Most of the guards still look like clones of each other honestly. :gotcha: Flash, Luna's Nightguard & the Crystal guard being some of the very few variations.

....why has no one done a pony clone wars fan-fic yet!? XD
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:04 pm

I remember that the guards all looked the same in A Bird In The Hoof but thought it was just a style choice.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:15 pm

There are a few different varieties of guards, but yes, most of them do still look alike. Considering the variety of character designs that this show used in its ordinary background ponies, I still think making the guards so similar was one of FiM's few artistic mistakes. I understand why they did it (human soldiers all wear various kinds of uniforms, so that look had to be evoked somehow), but it still has some disturbing implications when you consider that ponies can't pick their hair and coat colors in the same way that we can pick our clothes. :wat:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:17 pm

I blame Flash for ruining my headcanon on the Royal Guards :grumpydash:

Well, it's not exactly mine but I remember a fanfic (The Griffon Wars- A Soldier's Memoirs) that touched upon the identical appearance aspect. I'd personally explain it but... I'll just let it speak for itself:

He looked around at his fellow soldiers. Without the enchanted plate armor, each pony had their respective coats, manes, and eyes. There was no need for superfluous uniformity outside of Equestria other than an intimidation factor. Griffons, as he gathered, were not easily intimidated. It was also the first time Fleethoof had seen the Royal Guard like this. Everypony was somepony unique now, no longer just a uniform face in a sea of copies. It really hit home that every single soul lost today was somepony special.


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:22 pm

Actually, I wonder if the guards would've had more unique appearances had they first shown up later in the series. Past S1 the show has gotten a lot more comfortable with ponies wearing clothes and generally doing more human-ish things, so between that and the fact that the animators would have more time to work on them (vs. in S1 where they were busy laying the foundations for everything), I feel like the guardsponies would likely be wearing some sort of military uniform underneath (or perhaps in lieu of) their armor. But since their appearance was defined when they showed up in the very first episode, the show has kind of been stuck with that.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:29 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:There are a few different varieties of guards, but yes, most of them do still look alike. Considering the variety of character designs that this show used in its ordinary background ponies, I still think making the guards so similar was one of FiM's few artistic mistakes. I understand why they did it (human soldiers all wear various kinds of uniforms, so that look had to be evoked somehow), but it still has some disturbing implications when you consider that ponies can't pick their hair and coat colors in the same way that we can pick our clothes. :wat:


So you're implying a pony's role in society is determined by their mane and coat color?

:cry: If Rarity was slightly lighter and had a blue mane, she would have to be a guard...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:35 pm

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So you're implying a pony's role in society is determined by their mane and coat color?

:cry: If Rarity was slightly lighter and had a blue mane, she would have to be a guard...

And male. For as progressive as Equestria otherwise is, all the guardsponies that we see are stallions.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:42 pm

Don't forget, we've only seen a very small amount of guards. I'm sure there's female guards in Equestria.
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