Re: Offseason General Show Chat

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doodlesplat
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doodlesplat wrote:She certainly was the one who made that mistake. However, I suppose a town or five in chaos is a small price to pay for uncovering the next alicorn. I've always wanted to headcanon that setting up a podunk town near Canterlot was all part of a plan to have a potential student take residence there, 'studying' magic, without endangering the capital city proper. I mean, in terms of architecture, everything in that area is easy to rebuild. As if foreseeing the need for even more damage mitigation, Ponyville is surrounded by expanses of sparsely populated woods and fields and mountains should they ever need to be blown up. It's simply sound empire management.
DerFurShur wrote:Wellllllllll I'm just saying Celestia did send Applejack's family to go settle some land right on the edge of a supposedly dangerous Forrest that hid the castle she used to share with her sister and still housed the most powerful magical macguffins in their world (at that time)
PaulloDEC wrote:
But wasn't the spell a deliberate trap in the first place? All it took for it to be triggered was for Twilight to read the thing, so I always assumed that the initial mistake was part of Celestia's ongoing plan to test Twilight in a variety of nasty and stressful ways. Now that I think about it, I guess that one is kinda open to interpretation.
Failing that, I'm not sure I follow your line of thinking. What would you have had Celestia do? Should she have withheld Twilight's promotion for making a mistake? Punish her? Or recognise that her ability to correct her mistakes, as well as her ability to complete a spell written by possibly the most accomplished magic-user in the history of the realm qualifies her for greater things?
The Doctor wrote:While I still enjoyed MMC a lot, it would have worked better as a culmination of Twilight's growth over the season. The only buildup was Celestia and Luna looking meaningfully at that book at the end of Crystal Empire. The only other test Twilight was given the entire season was to reform Discord, where she gives it about 10 seconds of thought before telling Celestia to smeg off, and going to find her book on brainwashing.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
I don't see how it was a whole thing set up by Celestia, because all they said was it was something left unfinished by Starswirl. I don't know, maybe he died. What I'm saying is, Celestia didn't need to do anything. Twilight made a mistake, and fixed it. That should have been the end, that should have been the finale. But I really don't see why it deserves a promotion. I mean what, I'll go back in time and cause the Nazis to win WW2, then I fix my error, and then I should be elected president because I can time travel? Clearly if I can make an error as big as causing the Nazis to win WW2, even if I fix it, I'm not a master of time travel because I can make pretty big mistakes.
I really can't say anything about Celestia though, because I believe saying it was a long term scheme by Celestia is looking too much into it. Because I can't see anything to point to why that would be a reason, and it isn't like this is some intellectual property that has things to be debated about like that. All I see this as is poor writing. The reason they give for Twilight becoming a princess just wasn't good enough, and didn't make sense.
Perpetual Lurker wrote:The "mistake" was literally just reading a few lines aloud in proximity to the Elements. She didn't even try to cast the spell. It just happened. How in the world is that even Twilight's fault? Plus, fixing the problem and completing the spell were two separate events. Fixing the problem merely gave her inspiration for completing the spell.
IMO, Celestia knew exactly what Twilight was destined for as soon as she saw her cutie mark. The Journal of the Two Sisters implied as much.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
I don't see how it was a whole thing set up by Celestia, because all they said was it was something left unfinished by Starswirl. I don't know, maybe he died. What I'm saying is, Celestia didn't need to do anything. Twilight made a mistake, and fixed it. That should have been the end, that should have been the finale. But I really don't see why it deserves a promotion. I mean what, I'll go back in time and cause the Nazis to win WW2, then I fix my error, and then I should be elected president because I can time travel? Clearly if I can make an error as big as causing the Nazis to win WW2, even if I fix it, I'm not a master of time travel because I can make pretty big mistakes.
I really can't say anything about Celestia though, because I believe saying it was a long term scheme by Celestia is looking too much into it. Because I can't see anything to point to why that would be a reason, and it isn't like this is some intellectual property that has things to be debated about like that. All I see this as is poor writing. The reason they give for Twilight becoming a princess just wasn't good enough, and didn't make sense.
Perpetual Lurker wrote:The "mistake" was literally just reading a few lines aloud in proximity to the Elements. She didn't even try to cast the spell. It just happened. How in the world is that even Twilight's fault? Plus, fixing the problem and completing the spell were two separate events. Fixing the problem merely gave her inspiration for completing the spell.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
I'm pretty sure all you have to do to make a spell work is read it. You'd think of all people Twilight would know that.
Perpetual Lurker wrote:I think you're misremembering things a bit. The whole "True True Friend" sequence was her fixing the problem. After the song was over, she got the inspiration to complete the spell.
PaulloDEC wrote:
You could even say that it's implausible that Twilight Sparkle, a highly-knowledgeable magic user, would do such a thing if she had any reasonable expectation that it might have an effect...
ShieldedDiamond wrote:I can't tell what you're implying with this, but it doesn't look like you're agreeing with me.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:Yes, I know you weren't agreeing with me, but I was asking what you were implying with that, because you just reworded what I said with italics. I was saying that it didn't make sense that Twilight did that, because you would expect someone like her would realize saying magic words would have an effect, and you shouldn't just cast spells without knowing what they do.
The Doctor wrote:The only other test Twilight was given the entire season was to reform Discord, where she gives it about 10 seconds of thought before telling Celestia to smeg off, and going to find her book on brainwashing.
DerFurShur wrote:But what are the necessary lab conditions for testing a new spell besides doing it? Especially when Celestia didn't even tell her what it might do, if anything at all.
DerFurShur wrote:in an episode already strapped for time
Bakertoons wrote:Pinkie Pie...not sure what will happen to her.
Headless Horse wrote:Well, you'd think she'd have treated it more with kid gloves, investigated it under lab conditions, etc.
I know that if I were a chemistry student and the prof gave me a mystery substance to try to identify, step one wouldn't be "drink it"
Sobana wrote:What do you consider the worse and why?
Bakertoons wrote:I don't think the show will end with everyone becoming princesses. Instead, it will end with something where all the other ponies fulfill their goals or something that extends their talents
Applejack becomes a bigger success with her farm.
Rarity opens a line of shops all over Equestria
Rainbow Dash finally becomes a Wonderbolt
Fluttershy opens a big animal sanctuary
Pinkie Pie...not sure what will happen to her.
See? There's a way to give a satisfactory ending without making everyone alicorns.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:Rainbow Dash has had the opportunity to be a Wonderbolt several times, turned it down each time.
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Especially the Rainbow Dash Wonderbolt thing, that's ridiculous how many times she's encountered them and practically turned them down.
DerFurShur wrote:As for Chessmaster Celestia, yeah it requires looking into things a little too much but it's interesting how all these coincidences all connect in plausible ways, not to mention the show intentional likes to nail home that destiny is a thing and a powerful one at that. So when you have a world in which powerful magical forces are seemingly in control of near anything, having Celestia act as either an architect of all these coincidences, or as someone who can see the writing on the walls and know how to plan accordingly isn't that much of a stretch.
Marimo wrote:She hasn't been offered to be a Wonderbolt. The closest that's happened is when she turned down being a Cloudsdale representative for the relay race. Just because it was an opportunity to compete alongside some Wonderbolts doesn't mean it was an offer to join the Wonderbolts team.
In fact the last time her Wonderbolts plot came up, she made it onto the reserve team.
ShieldedDiamond wrote:
What about that entire episode about her being in the Academy and she left? And while it's not "being a Wonderbolt" she got to save their life and hang out with them. My point is, the Wonderbolt thing has been done to death.