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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:45 am

Reposting from the OT thread because I can! I'm a loose cannon mod who doesn't play by the rules! :twonk:

Hey, I'm shilling for a newbie game of Battlestar Equestria in H&H. It is a newbie game for newbies, so you don't have to know anything about battlestars, Equestria, H&H, or games. (Okay, maybe a little about games.) I'll walk the players through every part the game to get newfolk to learn.

All you need is the ability to read and post in the thread a couple times a day for about a month, depending on how long you last before getting yourselves killed finding your way to the promised land. It's a game for five players, so get in!
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:07 am

VoidChicken wrote:Reposting from the OT thread because I can! I'm a loose cannon mod who doesn't play by the rules! :twonk:

Hey, I'm shilling for a newbie game of Battlestar Equestria in H&H. It is a newbie game for newbies, so you don't have to know anything about battlestars, Equestria, H&H, or games. (Okay, maybe a little about games.) I'll walk the players through every part the game to get newfolk to learn.

All you need is the ability to read and post in the thread a couple times a day for about a month, depending on how long you last before getting yourselves killed finding your way to the promised land. It's a game for five players, so get in!


Having both played in and run BSE before, I just want to say that it's great and not too serious fun and if you're at all interested you should give it a try. I even still have my avatar from back when the pony fleet successfully escaped to Flutter Valley under the reign of the glorious Princess Trixie :smug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:33 am

VoidChicken wrote:Reposting from the OT thread because I can! I'm a loose cannon mod who doesn't play by the rules! :twonk:

Hey, I'm shilling for a newbie game of Battlestar Equestria in H&H. It is a newbie game for newbies, so you don't have to know anything about battlestars, Equestria, H&H, or games. (Okay, maybe a little about games.) I'll walk the players through every part the game to get newfolk to learn.

All you need is the ability to read and post in the thread a couple times a day for about a month, depending on how long you last before getting yourselves killed finding your way to the promised land. It's a game for five players, so get in!


I'd be interested, but I've never done anything like this before, so I'd like to just read things a few times over before officially signing up for it.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:39 am

So my nieces are young, now 3 and 4, and quite scared of shows with things like dragons in them. Not a pony-watching household. Today I had to watch them for a while, and I pulled up Dragonshy on Netflix. They loved it. :excellent: :awesomedash:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:21 am

Are you planning on showing them the rest of the series in the near future?
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:29 pm

I was just watching the news this morning, and for whatever reason, My Little Pony was mentioned (very briefly about some guy's work), and I'm pretty sure with what they were referencing, they meant G1. But they showed a clip of Pinkie Pie from FiM, and labeled it part of "Sunbow Productions."

Silly news people. :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:31 pm

Huh...I wonder how long it'll be before someone uploads a video of that broadcast, just to see how cheesy it is.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:38 pm

I'm not sure if it will be, because it was not long at all, it was very brief. They just mentioned how this person, whoever it was, worked on the original Ninja Turtles, and My Little Pony. I just found it amusing how they didn't realize Sunbow isn't around any more, and thought that FiM was a product of Sunbow. :v: (It was on CBS.)
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:47 pm

^ - Do you remember the name of the person? Chances are I've heard of them :ponder:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:49 pm

I wasn't paying 100% attention, but I think they were talking about Chuck Lorre, from Big Bang Theory and all that. I just heard the Ninja Turtles theme and was like "Wait what. :v: "
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:02 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I'm not sure if it will be, because it was not long at all, it was very brief. They just mentioned how this person, whoever it was, worked on the original Ninja Turtles, and My Little Pony.


Due to some cross referencing, it's possibly either David Wise or Michael Reaves. Both have worked on MLP, Transformers, and TMNT.

I just found it amusing how they didn't realize Sunbow isn't around any more, and thought that FiM was a product of Sunbow. :v: (It was on CBS.)


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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:12 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I wasn't paying 100% attention, but I think they were talking about Chuck Lorre, from Big Bang Theory and all that. I just heard the Ninja Turtles theme and was like "Wait what. :v: "

Ah, makes sense. Lorre worked in animation before hitting it big with live-action.

Ask me about this big fight Chuck Lorre had with John K. and the Bob Clampett family on one of those 80s cartoons. It effectively lead him to quit animation forever
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:19 pm

Was he a better animator then a sitcom writer/creator? :v:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:30 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Ah, makes sense. Lorre worked in animation before hitting it big with live-action.


Did he do any ghostwriting or director/production work? I ask since he's not noted as one of G1 MLP's writers.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:33 pm

Not sure. I don't know anything about the G1 Pony show.

Here's the Lorre/John K story. It was on the 1980s "Beany and Cecil" revival:

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THE FIRST TIME I GOT FIRED


OF ALL THE TIMES I've been fired, I guess the first will always seem just a little special. In later years I would have my run-ins with Roseanne, Brett Butler and Cybill Shepherd, but only one of them would actually fire me (the other two I would leave of my own volition, shortly after I had what were later described to me as "classic nervous breakdowns"). Which is why it was my ouster as head writer and executive producer of Beany & Cecil that still stands out as a sweet, noble memory.

In the spring of 1988 ABC approached me to write and produce a remake of the old Bob Clampett cartoon. Having only recently crawled into a story editor position on the sitcom My Two Dads, and being filled with the natural hubris that accompanies such an exalted status, the idea of working on some insipid Saturday morning cartoon was laughable. I politely declined.

Then the Writers Guild strike hit, grinding all live-action, prime-time shows to a complete halt. I was suddenly out of work and facing a mountain of monthly bills that only a story editor with executive story editor expectations could accumulate. I quickly called ABC back and told them I had reconsidered. For good measure I said Beany was a rare jewel of family entertainment, and that I would be deeply honored to write and produce it. To my great relief, they hired me anyway. I felt pretty darn smug. Little did I know that dark forces were already conspiring against me.

Part of my deal was that I would be working with the son of the late Bob Clampett. It seemed Junior had spent several years struggling to capture his father's vision to ABC's satisfaction, and had come up empty-handed. He was none too happy when I arrived, booted up my trusty Wordstar program and quickly generated the script and show bible that would green-light the series for a fall launch. I was oblivious to his pain. Something for which I would later pay dearly.

The devastating strike wore on, but I was now fully, and quite legitimately, employed (writing for animation was not covered by Guild rules). In fact, times were good. Instead of financial ruin, I had actually doubled my income. Many of television's best writers, desperate to pay their West Side condo mortgages and West Valley alimonies, were calling me for work. Highly respected scribes, who only weeks before were writing for Steven Bochco, were now dreaming up ways in which Dishonest John could bamboozle that lovable sea serpent, Cecil. Nyah-ha-ha!

But the good times were not to last. A talented young animator (who would later go on to create Ren & Stimpy) was added to our creative team. He had his own ideas for the show -- ideas which would one day work brilliantly on Ren & Stimpy. We had creative differences.

Try as I might, I could not stand by and let good ol' Ceec puke up his own eyeballs, or step inside a giant conch shell to (wink, wink) "pleasure himself." It just didn't seem true to the spirit of the show.

I suddenly found myself in the unlikely position of having to defend the artistic integrity of "Beany & freaking Cecil." I was emotional. I was passionate. I was filled with self-righteousness. Why I gave a fuck is a mystery I've yet to unravel.

Anyway, things heated up quickly. Junior saw his chance to regain the throne and joined forces with the Walt Disney of toilet, onanism, and vomit jokes. A formidable power bloc was now allied against me. Every script I turned in was rewritten without my permission. The production process was completely shut down. I screamed my Outrage to the network and production company. Lines were drawn, sides were chosen. The widow Clampett (possibly the prototype for Cecil's antagonist) joined forces with her son, thinking perhaps that his genes carried the seed of greatness she had once loved.

The final showdown took place in an ominously lit corporate boardroom dominated by a long, expensive, mahogany table. The room smelled of syndication profits and all the limited animation honchos were there. I dimly noticed that everyone -the network and production company execs, the Clampetts and Stimpy's dad -- were sitting on one side of the table . . . facing me. I say "dimly" because I had yet to realize the precariousness of my situation.

Young Clampett got quickly to the point and angrily accused me of ruining the show. I lost it. At that moment I became so enraged, I literally saw red. When my vision returned, I replied that if it weren't for me, my accuser would be working at a Taco Bell, asking customers if they wanted lids on their shakes.

Widow Clampett reacted with a mother's fury. She leapt to her feet yelling that I couldn't talk to her son that way. I said I'd talk to the little knucklehead anyway I wanted and he was old enough to stop hiding behind his mommy's apron.

Eventually the designated grown-ups in the room restored order and the meeting was adjourned. But here's the really funny part: When I found out the following day that I'd been fired, I was surprised. Didn't they know? Didn't they understand? I was fighting the good fight! I was keeping Beany & Cecil pure for a whole new generation! I was fucking nuts, is what I was. Which was when I learned one of the basic axioms of show business: The people who own the project, or in some cases the people who are the project, have the inalienable right to destroy the project. Which is exactly what happened. The series was revamped by my adversaries, Cecil began farting sea anemones, hilarity didn't ensue, and the show was quickly canceled.

Well there it is, the first time I got fired . . . as a writer. For the record, I'd previously been terminated as a busboy (I adamantly refused to clean up the women's washroom after something odd happened in it); a pharmacy clerk (the pharmacist overheard me telling a customer to "ease up on the quaaludes, dude"); a window washer (that was my fault, I had trouble showing up for work at 4 A.M.); a guitarist in a Samoan lounge band (creative differences); a guitarist in a Spike Jones cover band (also creative differences); and finally, as a husband (I'd love to chalk that one up to creative differences as well, but I have it on pretty good authority that I was just an asshole.


For the record, there are disputes as to whether Lorre was fired or actually quit. Others, including John K. himself, said he quit on his own will.

Paul Dini took over as the story editor, but it was futile. The show sucked, and it only lasted 6 episodes.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:37 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:On Age:. all ponies are immortal because Toons never die unless you put em in dip, as confirmed by roger rabbit. :twiright:


How does it work if they're all digital? :rariwhat:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:41 pm

Obviously, it happens when you delete their source files. :v:
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Postby Venusy (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:46 pm

This was actually part of the plot of the Rocky & Bullwinkle movie. Boris and Natasha had seen the dip, but knew it only worked on traditionally animated characters, so they came up with something else to destroy digital ones.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:57 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Not sure. I don't know anything about the G1 Pony show.

Here's the Lorre/John K story. It was on the 1980s "Beany and Cecil" revival:



For the record, there are disputes as to whether Lorre was fired or actually quit. Others, including John K. himself, said he quit on his own will.

Paul Dini took over as the story editor, but it was futile. The show sucked, and it only lasted 6 episodes.


Just wow. You hear about egos and production but it's disheartening to hear just how bad it can get.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:23 pm

Wow...that story is just insane. I can't begin to imagine how that production even was.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:18 pm

:starity: Mind blown by subtle allegory of this show sometimes.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:19 pm

...I never even noticed that. That is some attention to detail. :starity:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:28 pm

So, Trixie is Twilight's daughter? :ponder:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:31 pm

So, Season 5 might b be the last season of pony to air on the HUB. Seems the networks future after 2015 isn't so secure. :fluttersmith:

http://www.nickandmore.com/2014/06/12/m ... k-unclear/

Well if worse comes to worse I just hope Cartoon Network or DisneyJr pick it up in the future, since I don't get any nick networks anymore. *stupid Viacom/CableoneFeud* :amazing:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:35 pm

Eh...I think The Hub might survive for a little while longer. Ponies and Transformers are both monster hits and even with her departure, they still have a solid lineup.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:42 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Wow...that story is just insane. I can't begin to imagine how that production even was.


It breaks my heart to imagine even the possibility of such behind-the-scenes rancor at pony (fistfights over hoofhands? bitter feuds about the shade of Tank's shell?), but thankfully it seems to be a nice bunch over there. I think if there were a lot of secret unhappiness in pony production, we'd detect it in the finished product.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:19 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Eh...I think The Hub might survive for a little while longer. Ponies and Transformers are both monster hits and even with her departure, they still have a solid lineup.

Two hits do not a viable network make, though. The Hub's problem is that they can't get people watching past that. With the traditional TV model slowly tapering off (I doubt TV will ever fully die, but online video is going to suck away the majority of its content), premium cable channels like this one are likely going to be the first on the chopping block.

If Hasbro really has continued to fund FiM as a way of keeping the Hub alive, S5 may very well be the end of the series. I mean, would Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network think that FiM would be worth buying, on its own merit as a TV series? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:20 pm

Aw man, that's such a buzzkill...I was hoping the show would tentively last 7 seasons. :fluttersmith:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:22 pm

HUB isn't part of basic cable packages, it only comes with one or sometimes two levels of expanded cable. Of course not many people will watch it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:23 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Aw man, that's such a buzzkill...I was hoping the show would tentively last 7 seasons. :fluttersmith:

As the Hub used to say in its marketing, it could happen. Maybe Hasbro sees the continuing new episodes of the show as vital to keeping the FiM brand hot and will actually keep funding the show on another network.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:24 pm

If the worst happens with the Hub, two things can happen:

1. Relocate the show to a different network, like Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon. If this happens, I can imagine the show getting huge numbers, making it worth producing new episodes through there.

2. Move the show to streaming exclusively, like Netflix.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:35 pm

One problem...would it still air in other countries as well? :fluttersmith:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:57 pm

As popular as pony still is, even if the HUB does fold after season 5 wraps up, I don't think that will be the end, I could easily See Cartoon Network, Disney or Nick picking up broadcast rights


And I could see the upcoming Transformers toon getting on Toonami or maybe pull a clone wars and end up on Netflix.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:59 pm

That makes me really sad. :fluttersmith:

I'll try to keep optimistic about all of this (after all, we don't know much more than what the article said). But man, that sucks -if it's true.

Although if it does turn out to be true and it does signal the end of FiM, then there is a possible silver lining. Because if the DHX team knows in advance when the show is going to end, they can hopefully prepare for it accordingly. Like they can tie up as many loose ends as possible throughout the season and give a sincere final sendoff. Much better than just having the show end abruptly.

Despite the optimism, this really bummed me out. :fluttersmith:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:06 pm

Don't worry, it really bummed me out as well. I certainly don't want to see something as wonderful as pony end so soon and I hope this isn't true. :cry:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:10 pm

I'm sure many shows would die with the HUB, but again I doubt MLP will be one out them, and again thighs could turn around, if MLPSeason5 & the upcoming Transformers Prime Sequel do well, might turn things around.

And say what you will about it, but even the Rainbow Rocks & Equestria Academy series coming this fall could potentially help things out as well.

But hey we still have at least a year and a half(?) left of HUB goodness, best to just enjoy it while we can! :party:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:11 pm

Even if S5 were the last season, that's still 52 more episodes than anyone expected back when it premiered in 2010. It would be sad and all, but there's no denying that FiM will leave a lasting legacy in the hearts of all the kids who watched it and on the culture of the Internet as well.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:22 pm

Oh wow, that would be quite the news...

I mean granted, i dont care much for the show or anything related to it... For now... But news of this does worry me to a certain extent

If the show does move to Netflix then that will alienate a lot of viewers possibly. I mean, I wanted to watch The Clone Wars Season 6 but since it was only on Netflix and not intended to be released on Blu-Ray or whatever, I had to watch it through unsavoury means
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I mean, it's nice to see shows being made for Netflix without the problems of old school television but the problem is that it only is available for US so a lot of foreign fans, which probably make up a sizeable number of the fandom will be shut off and have to resort to torrents unfortunately.

But if FiM is moved to another network like CN, Nick, Disney, or whatever, while I'm not sure who'd exactly want it on their network since most big networks are doing really well lately and they're not exactly desperate per se, i see it as probably a big coup for whoever gets it ($$$, viewership).

I totally can see CN picking it up even though FiM bears a closer resemblance to the older CN shows (PPG, Dexter's etc.) aka not Adventure Time or Regular Show-looking shows. It would certainly attract the kids AND older viewers since CN seems to treat their older audiences as adults more... I think, at least.

Nick I have a harder time seeing FiM on. Nick is just so diversely uneven (c'mon, Avatar Korra =/= Spongebob), with no two shows alike... Yet maybe FiM would fit in very well by being so niche and different
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Now Disney... :pcstare: They'd then have a monopoly on Princess shows, I think :v: Im not sure if they'll put FiM on their Disney Jr block since that would extremely alienate the adult fans (but that's probably the plan anyway lol) or the Disney Channel though I think pairing FiM and Star And The Forces of Evil together (both being female-oriented) would be a terribly decisive win for them.

Now, lets just hope that if Hasbro sells it's tv rights to Disney, Hasbro doesnt act like Sony when they gave up the Spider Man TV rights but not the Spectacular Spider Man right thus cancelling one of my favorite shows of all time. It would so hilaaarious if the same thing happened to FiM
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But honestly I'm split. Who knows if The Hub will be discontinued, if FiM will exist on different channels, if their quality would change, or whatever. It's an interesting prospect though, regardless
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:22 pm

The Hub was pretty much doomed from the beginning. It's a last-run cable channel built from the remains of a last-run cable channel that's offered only in super-duper premium programming packages. Disney, Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network are still the only children's stations that matter; they are more established, they're offered in basic cable packages for the most part, and they've got access to large libraries of shows and programming to pull from. The Hub is Pony, Transformers, a couple other cartoons, and a bunch of old sitcoms and movies. That's it.

Nothing besides Pony has had any staying power. Sure, Transformers is popular, but that show's already gone and FiM is going for another season. Dan Vs. got unceremoniously cancelled (although to be fair, it slipped in quality pretty bad in the third season), the other shows they've tried to bring on (examples include LPS, She-Zow, and that Aquabats show only I liked) never caught on with much of anyone, and none of the small amounts of new programs its getting look at all appealing.

The Hub failing doesn't scare me. Channels fail all the time, get rebranded, and then move on. Heck, this was built from the remains of a failed channel. What scares me is that if the channel goes, FiM is going to have to find a new home. The ratings may make it appealing to a big-name network, but I'm also fearful that they'll screw it over, juggle its time slot without warning, and actively kill it to make room for some piece of schlock they pulled off of YouTube, because that's apparently where you go for ideas these days. :-/ (Doubly so if it's Cartoon Network.)
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:46 pm

Well, it wouldn't end up on Disney, since Hasbro and Disney are rivals, but Nickelodeon and/or Cartoon Network might take it in. Cartoon Network especially so since they've basically become the "Adventure Time and Regular Show" channel, and they probably need to spice up their primetime children's programming block a bit since their other shows are pretty lackluster. The only iffy factor would be the show's unabashed girliness and them figuring out how to market that, which might suck if they reject it purely on that basis, not to mention foolish. I don't think airing that show would make them lose viewers, to be honest. In fact, I think it'd be very powerful for future generations if Pony was aired on Cartoon Network at a time not during school hours.

Actually, I'm starting to get excited by this idea. If this turns out perfectly, Pony might end up getting a lot more exposure.
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