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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:36 am

You'd think they would play some of the big DIC shows like Inspector Gadget or Super Mario Super Show. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Venusy (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:42 am

The license holder for those (i.e. Disney and Nintendo) would still have a say, and it probably wouldn't be worth the expense of the Hub negotiating for them. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:28 am

Panboy wrote:So I was just on the Hub youtube channel for the first time ever. watching the rainbow rocks shorts, and I saw a bunch of Jem shorts .. What? are Hasbro and the hub resurrecting the 80s?! are they gona bring M.A.S.K back too? please say yes...

But Really Jem, Was Jem ever popular with anyone?


Well, there IS that Jem live-action movie they're working on now...any 80's nostalgia trip seems to be someone's idea of a movie plan these days.
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Postby drunkill (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:45 am

Headless Horse wrote:Is her hat accurate but... on backwards?

All the cool ponies wear their hats backwards.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:35 pm

WandereringPony wrote:
Well, there IS that Jem live-action movie they're working on now...any 80's nostalgia trip seems to be someone's idea of a movie plan these days.


I wonder if in a decade the new trend will be a 90s nostalgia trip. :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:38 pm

I think that's happened already, I think the whole 80's nostalgia craze was bigger last decade than it is now.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:59 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I think that's happened already, I think the whole 80's nostalgia craze was bigger last decade than it is now.


Yeah right now we are in a weird mix of 80s and 90s Nostalgia it seems, maybe bye
2020 it'll be full 90s, and then we will cirlcle back to the present (2010s) in 2030 cause no one in their right mind wiould ever be nostalgic for Y2K!

But that's just my guess.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:01 pm

Eh, there's always things to be nostalgic about from every decade. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:38 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I think that's happened already, I think the whole 80's nostalgia craze was bigger last decade than it is now.

This sort of thing has been constantly happening. Hell, The Onion even warned us about overconsumption of retro back in 1997.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:43 pm

Wow, I did not know that The Onion was that old. How long have they been around for?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:45 pm

Believe it or not, The Onion was originally a print newspaper (still satirical, but in print nonetheless). They started in 1988 and kept printing all the way to the end of 2013.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:48 pm

I did not know that, it's neat to see how far back they go. Do they have an archive of it on their website?
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:07 pm

I first discovered The Onion when they were passing it around my college campus in 1992, god damn I guess I'm old now. :granny:

The day eventually comes for every decade to become nostalgia, and it'll happen with the '90s and '00s just the same as every other. One day someone will make a 2 Stupid Dogs liveaction film and you will see I'm right.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:13 pm

IIRC The Onion started out as a parody newspaper distributed at The University of Wisconsin-Madison. But it's now headquartered in Chicago.
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Postby ixnay (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:28 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Wow, I did not know that The Onion was that old. How long have they been around for?
The Onion goes all the way back to the early 20th century!

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:53 pm

:starity: No...way...

I'm not sure if that's real or not, but I'd like to imagine...
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:35 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:38 pm

OK, I've seen that one before several times and I know it's supposed to be from some flashback issue or something.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:42 pm

It's still my favorite.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:48 pm

Oh wow, I don't know if I could pick an all time favourite Onion article, they're all so funny... :ponder:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:57 pm

That Moon Landing one would be my favorite.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:17 pm

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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:24 pm

I lied, this is actually my favorite Onion article:

Historical Archives: A Most Drunken John Adams Makes The Promise To "Put" Man Upon The Moon

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"We should Choose, To travel to the MOON, Not because it is Easy, but because I am Drunk, and I say it will not be that Hard," exclaim'd the tottering Adams, speaking from the White House, a Disreputable TAVERN on the South Side of Philadelphia, upon the Roof of which Adams had seen fit to be in his cups Esconced, and without his Pantaloons withall.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:39 pm

Dal wrote:Earth pony magic more than mere strength, just like unicorns are more than magic and pegasi are more than wings.

Earth ponies are about creating, nurturing, and growing. We've seen Applejack plant seeds and stomp the ground instantly producing sprouts, and her impressive orchards of Sweet Apple Acres speak for themselves. But their magic goes beyond fields and gardens. Cheerilee is a teacher, Pinkie Pie raises spirits and smiles all over Ponyville, and the Cakes make unparalleled confections.

It's that subtleness of their magic that makes explaining it in the show so hard, and I think that's why they went with strength. Like you guys brought up, Big Mac dragging an entire house through town isn't exactly subtle.


The more I think about it, the more I think G4 really dropped the ball with earth ponies as a group. It feels like there's so many ways they could have been portrayed to make them more interesting than "the ones that can't fly or magic". Oh well, at least aren't crystal ponies.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:23 pm

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The more I think about it, the more I think G4 really dropped the ball with earth ponies as a group. It feels like there's so many ways they could have been portrayed to make them more interesting than "the ones that can't fly or magic". Oh well, at least aren't crystal ponies.

I can't help but wonder if this is more due to our perceptions of them. The show doesn't go out of its way to play up the special-ness of earth ponies, but neither does it especially do so for pegasi or unicorns. The racial divisions are just part of life in Equestria. Should the show have rubbed earth ponies in our faces, at the cost of possibly making the world feel more shallow in playing to the audience like that?
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:31 pm

Thing is, the show doesn't make earth ponies feel special at all. It actually has made unicorns and pegasi these interesting and fantastical things. It is an interesting point that the in show vs out of show division isn't the same but I don't see asking to see a few more consistent interesting quirks for earth ponies as "rubbing things in our faces".
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:13 pm

I'm just as glad they never played up the "earth ponies are just as special, they have their own powers that put them on a level with the others" thing. Seems like the kind of thing a show like this would have been expected to do, you know?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:05 pm

Bow down before your multi-spectrum overlord. :awesomedash:

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Postby Wildfire (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:35 pm

The Doctor wrote:Bow down before your multi-spectrum overlord. :awesomedash:

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Postby Dal (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:55 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I'm just as glad they never played up the "earth ponies are just as special, they have their own powers that put them on a level with the others" thing. Seems like the kind of thing a show like this would have been expected to do, you know?


I think it's more the fact that they never thought about these things before. I guess Faust would have written something or talked about the each races' of magic, but it's not until recently that Meghan has done anything with it.

Like we didn't know alicorns were a mix of all three races until recently, before that it was all fan speculation. And I still think Twilight annihilating some poor door with her new strength would have been a funny scene.

As for crystal ponies, I assume they are like earth ponies in most regards but have special powers and affinity with the crystals of their homeland. Think growing crystals instead of plants.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:10 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I'm just as glad they never played up the "earth ponies are just as special, they have their own powers that put them on a level with the others" thing. Seems like the kind of thing a show like this would have been expected to do, you know?

Yes, that's what I would think. I can imagine a lesser show having Applejack and Pinkie Pie suddenly moping about not being able to fly/do magic and one or all of the other four go hugely out of the way to explain exactly why they're special. That sort of thing is what I was getting at earlier.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:28 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I can imagine a lesser show having Applejack and Pinkie Pie suddenly moping about not being able to fly/do magic and one or all of the other four go hugely out of the way to explain exactly why they're special.


See that's different and would not be good (if it's written poorly). The problem is that from a worldbuilding perspective, they kinda never did much with earth ponies. "Afterthought" is the keyword, barring the fact that Faust actually had talked about some stuff. A better "show don't tell" aspect would work as far as background events or minor sideplots.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:43 am

The fan desire to "balance" earth ponies against unicorns and pegasi (-2 DEX, +2 CON) seems like unnecessary RPG baggage.

I'm actually really glad that, in the context of the show, earth ponies might legitimately have fewer abilities/advantages than unicorns or pegasi, and tough shit that's life.

There's even pony racism (!) toward earth ponies in the show. We've seen pegasi being insulting ("what a shocker, an earth pony with no ideas!") and unicorns being smugly condescending ("I have such respect for the work ethic of earth ponies").

I like underdogs in fiction. If they made it explicit that earth ponies are compensated one-for-one on the power scale in other areas and therefore everybody is equal...I'd be kind of disappointed. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:51 am

Exactly what I was getting at.

This show is trying to give kids useful life lessons, right? Not the usual soggy pap that says "everybody is the same inside" and "just believe in yourself" and other vapid greeting-card sentiments that are of no help whatsoever on the rough-and-tumble schoolyard. I'm glad the show says "Yep, some people get dealt a worse hand than others" and lets those people be role models anyway just by being good, likable characters.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:59 am

Yeah, they get abilities and aren't shortchanged completely there, but their powers aren't as flashy or life-changing as flight and magic. Their personalities grow to accommodate the lives they end up leading, just like the stereotypes of the daredevil pegasi and regal unicorns. Most of all, you can consider each race extremely unique, and they wouldn't feel that way if they were all balanced like Humans, Elves, and Dwarves.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:34 am

I wonder this, though. Do ponies really see flight and magic as flashy and life-changing, like we would? We do since we obviously can do neither such things, but in Equestria that sort of stuff is a part of their daily lives.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:37 am

Realistically, I think it would come up. Race gets to fly, one gets to do magic. Not change dirty diapers with their mouths. :ngh:

That being said, this is a magical land of talking ponies, and I'm fine with them just ignoring that.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:12 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I wonder this, though. Do ponies really see flight and magic as flashy and life-changing, like we would? We do since we obviously can do neither such things, but in Equestria that sort of stuff is a part of their daily lives.


I feel they do but not to the same degrees as we do. They actually have remarked on a few aspects here and there but such comments are less common since such abilities are common.

I think Outlander said something in a better way than some of my comments and I think I'll slightly paraphrase. It's less of the RPG aspect of all of them needing to be equal (though I'll admit that I'm a little guilty of that). Rather that earth ponies, as a group, aren't interesting. A lot of the underdog battles can be, and have been, portrayed through personalities. Show's done a great job at that and it doesn't portray them as equals. While there's a lot of smaller things unicorns and pegasi can do that capture attention. Setting up weather in early episodes were exciting pieces of worldbuilding without a Sonic Rainboom. There's a world of magic spells without the crazy high level stuff. Yet, you're left wondering what do earth ponies do. And the way the show avoids it makes it a glaring standout even more, especially when there's aspects like everyone contributing and it not looking like it or saying alicorns have all three types when we basically only see two.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:20 am

The Doctor wrote:Bow down before your multi-spectrum overlord. :awesomedash:

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Where was this? And was that a fanmade thing, or something official given to the store, because it really looks like the GM/SFM Rainbow Dash design. Specifically, referring to the placement of the mane.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:21 am

ZamuelNow wrote:
I feel they do but not to the same degrees as we do. They actually have remarked on a few aspects here and there but such comments are less common since such abilities are common.

I think Outlander said something in a better way than some of my comments and I think I'll slightly paraphrase. It's less of the RPG aspect of all of them needing to be equal (though I'll admit that I'm a little guilty of that). Rather that earth ponies, as a group, aren't interesting. A lot of the underdog battles can be, and have been, portrayed through personalities. Show's done a great job at that and it doesn't portray them as equals. While there's a lot of smaller things unicorns and pegasi can do that capture attention. Setting up weather in early episodes were exciting pieces of worldbuilding without a Sonic Rainboom. There's a world of magic spells without the crazy high level stuff. Yet, you're left wondering what do earth ponies do. And the way the show avoids it makes it a glaring standout even more, especially when there's aspects like everyone contributing and it not looking like it or saying alicorns have all three types when we basically only see two.

What we need is an earth pony villain. Like how Sombra was basically just a really powerful, evil unicorn. I don't know what they'd do - maybe they'd be like Poison Ivy (though we've already done invasion of the vines)? Or maybe they'd be good with potions and stuff, like Zecora, and their evil plan would revolve around that. Maybe they'd be physically strong enough to resist Twilight's magic and take her head-on? Something that would really show off an earth pony at full magic potential.
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