M04: Equestria Girls - Legend of Everfree

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Re: M04: Equestria Girls - Legend of Everfree

Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:07 am

So I was on a walk this afternoon and I was thinking about the things I didn't like about the movie.

That led to a "put your money where your mouth is" situation wherein I decided to try to come up with some creative changes that would fix the issues I had. If anyone has too much time on their hands like I do, you can read about my probably terrible new version of the movie here.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:42 am

Just finished watching this and my opinions are on the negative side (not counting that I don't like the previous EQG movies).
Until the last third it was "fine", flawed but still fine. I could look past the scenes when Twilight had a romantic moment and the clichéd awkward moment afterwards.

What I liked:
* The Intro was pleasant and not forcefully flashy as the others
* Good backgrounds and the camp design did not look.
* The power set the girls got.
* The slower and casual pace until the last third.
* The girls actually used their powers before the final battle.
* Not a predictable creature feature from Equestria.
* Twilight not trusting herself and magic was a nice notion.
* Everyone has a fair share of screen time.

What I disliked:
* Rarity's focus on a fashion show. Does she have other interests? She has not a brain, she has only fabric in her head.
* The dock running gag went for too long. If it was done only two times it'd be a predictable joke but not a run down joke, which is worse.
* The "super hero costumes". Whoever designed and approved them should be slapped repeatedly to the face.
* "Transformation stacking". I hate it when shows have that (like Power Rangers). It's super redundant.
* The clichéd awkward moment after a romantic moment. Is having romantic feelings a joke? A bit more seriousness would be appropriate.
* Yet another MacGuffin that has to be taken away from the villain.
* "Power of Friendship" conquers villain.
* Twilight was way too fearful of magic despite seeing that the others handled it fine.
* Gloriosa's motivation and reasoning that lead to the predictable and stupid demon villain.
* Caging in and imprison people doesn't save the camp you dingus. You want guests keep coming to keep the camp? Right?
* A contract is a contract is a contract. Filthy Rich was too villainous. Would be better if was on a Quark (Star Trek DS9) level of lawful evil.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:08 pm

It was cute.

Not as good as 2, but cute.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:23 am

I think overall the movie was an enjoyable way to spend that time.
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I loved the 60's hippie outfits they got for this movie.
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I guess their elements aren't easily transferred into actual abilities. Honesty got strength, generosity got protective shields and laughter got exploding sprinkles. Pinkie's power is just pure offensive destructive power. I like how they actually found a way to make it useful for the construction of the docks.
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The villain's catch phrase "I got this!" was rather cool sounding when she turned evil and went from saying it passive aggressively to just aggressively.
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The biggest problem I with the movie is rather negative so I'll hide it as to not to discourage others from watching it.
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The thing that bothered me most about it had to be the Twilight and Spruce relationship. It seemed like the most heavy handed relationship I have ever seen in a children's movie in recent memory. To say nothing of the rest of the franchise. Normally love at first sight couples are done up as an example to show they never last. But this time they set it up to be the main love interest of the movie. How fast they fell in love just gives me all the wrong kind of vibes. It felt more like lust then love going on and that is a horrible impression to give me for a pony movie.

The relationship itself also seems every questionable. He is clearly an adult running a camp site and paying bills while she is a high school student on a camping field trip. As soon as they meet he quickly lays on a thick dose of flirting before he even really gets to know her. At least with last season Brad there was some awkward encounters at first that helped build up their relationship. New Brad just hits her with a pick-up line right off the bat and she eats it up.

Spruce feels more like a predator. He finds the most socially awkward girl in the group, gives her attention and then has a romantic fling with her. I can't help but wonder if he does this same thing with a new girl each year. After she leaves camp it is not like they will really see each other again. If they are not in a relationship in the next movie I will conclude Spruce was nothing more then a player.

What is even more unsettling is how Sunset kept encouraging Twilight with her nudge-nudge wink-wink attitude. By the end I was half expecting her to ask Twilight if they had slept together yet.

And that near kiss at the end felt way to intense for this kind of movie. The whole thing just kind of made me feel uncomfortable to watch.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:26 am

Double posted when I meant to edit it.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:24 pm

I saw this over Saturday right before new Pony and I really liked it. I'm really hopeful and excited for a continuation of the story (please please please!). It was fun to see the girls all get weird new powers, even if some of them were vaguely dumb (Pinkie's weird exploding sprinkles was.. just lame), and Timber was actually a really cool character at the end (I totally hated him at first).

Good things:
More Story!
More Sunset!
Derpy talked!
Lots of cute sight gags
I actually really liked the songs, Sunset got to sing for once on her own and the villain song was amazing.
Brad gets crushed repeatedly

Things I didn't Like:
NO CMC??? Ugh.
I don't like the focus on Twilight, I like it when Sunset is the leader.
The second costume change for their powers were super lame. I'd rather they stick with the pony motif instead of looking like junky power rangers.
Filthy Rich just being an outright bad guy instead of how he acts in Equestria.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:39 pm

Sidotsy wrote:I saw this over Saturday right before new Pony and I really liked it. I'm really hopeful and excited for a continuation of the story (please please please!). It was fun to see the girls all get weird new powers, even if some of them were vaguely dumb (Pinkie's weird exploding sprinkles was.. just lame), and Timber was actually a really cool character at the end (I totally hated him at first).

Good things:
More Story!
More Sunset!
Derpy talked!
Lots of cute sight gags
I actually really liked the songs, Sunset got to sing for once on her own and the villain song was amazing.
Brad gets crushed repeatedly

Things I didn't Like:
NO CMC??? Ugh.
I don't like the focus on Twilight, I like it when Sunset is the leader.
The second costume change for their powers were super lame. I'd rather they stick with the pony motif instead of looking like junky power rangers.
Filthy Rich just being an outright bad guy instead of how he acts in Equestria.


These are basically my exact pros and cons too, weird.

But yea, I liked it, it was really fun and the songs were great but all it really did was remind me that Sunset is a way better Twilight than Twilight and I'd rather just see her in these movies. Also yea, Filthy Rich going from 'a dick, but kinda a realistic dick' to 'cackling badguy' is lame, I like that MLP tries to make its non primordial evil 'villains' actual characters with reasons and motives behind their choices, making him to just The Bad Man kinda wrecks that concept.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:43 pm

I'd like to see Dougworld Twilight (aka dorkus maximus Twilight) interact alone with the rest of the mane six instead of just being with Sunset all the time, since that'd give the writers the potential to do something different with the character and make her more distinct from regular Twilight


But unfortunately they won't. Which is fine in a way since it means Sunset gets more screentime, which is always excellent.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:24 am

If nothing else the continued movies got us a Vinyl Scratch Dougworld toy of the non Barbie type. Which is cool. Even if their heads are approaching SD proportions. (Still better than Funko Pops.)
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:13 pm

Ruflux wrote:I'd like to see Dougworld Twilight (aka dorkus maximus Twilight) interact alone with the rest of the mane six instead of just being with Sunset all the time, since that'd give the writers the potential to do something different with the character and make her more distinct from regular Twilight


But unfortunately they won't. Which is fine in a way since it means Sunset gets more screentime, which is always excellent.


They SORT of have done this already? I mean, basically this entire movie except for the end was 'Twilight is Luna' and deals with her being evil and afraid Midnight Sparkle will come back at the drop of a hat. I thought that was really interesting, but I wish they would have let Midnight stick around for a bit more to torment SciTwi instead of just.. Sunset touched her and now she's a Princess Purple Power Ranger.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:45 pm

Ruflux wrote:I'd like to see Dougworld Twilight (aka dorkus maximus Twilight) interact alone with the rest of the mane six instead of just being with Sunset all the time, since that'd give the writers the potential to do something different with the character and make her more distinct from regular Twilight


But unfortunately they won't. Which is fine in a way since it means Sunset gets more screentime, which is always excellent.


They need to pick one or the other. I do not think the decision to keep human Twilight around at the end of the third film, and to make that movie about her instead of Sunset, was a good one.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:23 pm

This movie was just OFF THE HOOK and I'm not sure if I like it or not? As a whole it's definitely not as good as the others in the series, but it's still enjoyable. All the scenes involving Twilight blushing at Spruce were awkward as feather tho

And also .... they just have at-will superpowers whenever they want now?
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Postby Auxiliatrix (?) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:48 pm

I liked the movie quite a bit. If anything, it's my second favorite of the four (behind "Rainbow Rocks"), but I have to admit that there are a lot of things that really annoy me about this movie.

First off, this movie has very little subtlety. In the climax to "Rainbow Rocks", Sunset's acceptance and arc is completed when she shines in the climax. The lines "you're never gonna bring me down, you're never gonna break this part of me" from her vocal part in the "Song Battle" refer to her defeating the Sirens, but symbolically represent how Sunset may be the outsider, but that's okay. She has her friends, and she's going to be herself no matter what.

In this movie, everything about the "Twilight/Midnight Sparkle" conflict is talked about to death. Yes, you could argue that her standing up to Gloriosa at the end is symbolic for her using her powers for good rather than evil, and accepting her magic, but at least 4/5 of the dialogue Twilight has that isn't flirting with Timber is literally just about this conflict. After a while, it simply gets boring, and by the climax (which oddly mirrors the climax of the first Equestria Girls, considering the weird "dream" nature of it and the transformation), it became ridiculously over-explained and not that satisfying. Yes, this is a kids show, but as I stated, "Rainbow Rocks" was able to do an excellent arc without needing to spell everything out and have a rather overblown climax.

The thing about Sunset in the first movie is that, while her problems are a huge part of her character, there are other focuses and different interests she has. Twilight has Timber Spruce, and that's about it.

The other thing that annoyed me is that Pinkie Pie and Rarity aren't really the best characterized here. If anything, they are a little flanderized, and the most they contribute in the plot is the "encouraging" words they give Sci-Twi at the end. Don't get me wrong, Pinkie still has funny jokes and Rarity has her own charm, but these aren't the most flattering portrayals.

If I had to nitpick a tiny bit more, I'd say that Gloriosa was a tiny bit obvious as the villain (as I found her to be rather odd throughout the whole movie, although I had no idea what exactly her plan would be), and that Timber isn't a great character, even if he is an improvement over Flash. Funny enough, actually, Flash doesn't bother me too much in the movies after the first Equestria Girls.

Probably due to the lack of focus. :-P

Anyway, this movie may stand as the funniest in the series. I'm not entirely sure if it was funnier than "Rainbow Rocks", but I did think Pinkie had a fair share of good lines, and that Sunset/Spike stood out a lot. In fact, I'd say that Sunset was the best part of this movie.

For some reason, Sunset has became instantly watchable; "Friendship Games" didn't give her that much to do until the end, but ever since "Rainbow Rocks", she has started to seep into my list of personal favorite MLP characters. While she didn't have much of an arc here, and "Rainbow Rocks" is her stronger performance, Sunset's scenes typically carried the most intrigue and comedy for me.

The songs stood out to me a lot. "Midnight in Me" does suffer a bit when the rest of the movie goes onto over-explain Twilight's arc, but "Embrace the Magic" was lovely. Sunset is just so good in this movie! :allears:

Celestia and Luna felt a little out-of-place and not that important, but Timber Spruce was an improvement over Flash, and Gloriosa at least had solid, interesting motivations. Applejack, Fluttershy, and Rainbow Dash also make decent performances. Oh, and Spike easily is the runner-up for best character after Sunset. Spike's portrayals in Equestria Girls have been surprisingly great!

In total, I liked the movie a lot. It was fun, and while certainly flawed, I look forward to watching it again soon. :party:
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Postby Nicotico (?) » Tue May 16, 2017 11:40 pm

I've watched this recently with the commentary track so here's some fun facts:
    Opening Song is Mumford and Sons inspired.
    Daniel Ingram had a bigger song in mind for Twilight but they accepted the demo he submitted so he never got a chance to finish it.
    Rarity's fashion show was one of the last minute additions in order to maximize DRESSES
    Gloriosa's originally got water and wind powers alongside her plant powers.

I feel sorry for Flash. Though once is coincidence, twice is a pattern. It seems like he's got a horse person fetish where very few people qualify.
Also was anyone terrified about the nail scene with pinkie pie? It took me a while to realize the conditions to her powers.
Gloriosa's song is pretty good, I like those bombastic tones.
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