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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:00 am

So a series slowly evolving is a bad thing now? Why? You don't have to like how it's evolving, that's your perogative, but saying that a show has to stick with its formula without any change or development whatsoever, regardless of how well it's working, is just kinda asking for mediocrity.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:01 am

That's rarely how TV works, though.

They haven't morphed the show into something it wasn't at the start quite yet.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:06 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:And it's at the point it's time to end the show, because if the writers truly think they've reached that point, you don't morph the show into something else. You don't turn Transformers into a series about complex morality (in regards to the cartoon) simply because you think there's nothing left in the "Megatron's the bad guy with evil schemes" category. The ingredients have a lifespan because they're supposed to have a lifespan. If you drink half a bottle of wine, you don't water it up in order to refill it, because you're running low on ingredients to refill the bottle, just so it lasts longer.


A television show isn't a bottle of wine, though; TV shows grow and change all the time.

Perrydotto wrote:So a series slowly evolving is a bad thing now? Why? You don't have to like how it's evolving, that's your perogative, but saying that a show has to stick with its formula without any change or development whatsoever, regardless of how well it's working, is just kinda asking for mediocrity.


Wayoshi wrote:That's rarely how TV works, though.

They haven't morphed the show into something it wasn't at the start quite yet.


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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:17 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I don't know where you're getting that. I can think of 10 in a minute, they haven't done.


Entirely possible they do have plenty left that I'm not thinking of. What do you have in mind?
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:45 am

Entirely too many things remind me of this show.

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:47 am

I think it's possible to connect just about anything to Pony somehow. :allears:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:10 am

Perrydotto wrote:So a series slowly evolving is a bad thing now? Why? You don't have to like how it's evolving, that's your perogative, but saying that a show has to stick with its formula without any change or development whatsoever, regardless of how well it's working, is just kinda asking for mediocrity.


No, I never said evolving was a bad thing. Evolving would still mean you retain your roots though. I'm saying, you can't change MLP into Spongebob just because you don't have ideas. There is a difference between change and keeping it the same, and then there's morphing it into something else entirely.

Wayoshi wrote:That's rarely how TV works, though.


Yes, shows typically don't morph into something else. Because that's a bad thing. Your point?

They haven't morphed the show into something it wasn't at the start quite yet.


Princess Twilight, more ridiculous long term plots, fighting scenes, removal of the "today I learned", more visual gags and pop culture references, yes it has. You think something like Slenderman would have shown up in Season 1? Oh, and for actual proof, the show has lost the E/I in the corner of the screen was dropped. That was dropped because the show was deemed no longer educational by that company, as a result of the fandom. If that doesn't ring bells, I don't know what does.

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A television show isn't a bottle of wine, though; TV shows grow and change all the time.


It's a comparison. And a rather good one, as wines are considered to get better over time, so they are something else changed by time. So I believe the watering example works extremely well.

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Entirely possible they do have plenty left that I'm not thinking of. What do you have in mind?


-Lying makes a situation worse.
-Don't blame your friends for something you could have done.
-Fighting isn't an answer. (But it appears they'd rather Dragonball Z fights. Maybe Tirek will show up in the Return of Frieza movie coming up.)
-Your friends don't have to like everything you do.
-Don't let someone tell you not to be around your friends.
-What's good at first isn't good in the long run.
-Tradition doesn't mean you have to do it.
-Save your money.
-Friends can hang out with other friends and that doesn't make anyone bad.
-Careful what you wish for.

Those are just the first 10 that I can come up with of classic, cookie-cutter playground lessons. Writers are paid to sit down and come up with these things. There isn't a shortage of them anytime soon.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:47 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Oh, and for actual proof, the show has lost the E/I in the corner of the screen was dropped. That was dropped because the show was deemed no longer educational by that company, as a result of the fandom. If that doesn't ring bells, I don't know what does.


That's not proof of anything, though. Removing the E/I label was done at the request of the writers (and unless I'm wrong, Lauren Faust herself) so that they could break free of the "Dear Princess Celestia" formula occasionally and they could show things like the running fight for Smarty Pants- things that were not tame enough for the stringently kid-protective E/I label.

As an aside, I never quite understood why they made the show E/I in the first place- it's usually only a requirement for over-the-air broadcast networks, cable outfits like the Hub don't have any particular requirement to show E/I content.

Removing the E/I label wasn't done by anyone as a result of the fandom, that much is certain- it was done before Season 2 started, when the showrunners weren't truly aware of a fandom existing yet.

To your ideas:
-Lying makes a situation worse. - "A Bird In The Hoof"
-Don't blame your friends for something you could have done. - Rainbow Dash, "TT123"
-Don't let someone tell you not to be around your friends. - Rainbow Dash's lesson in "Griffon the Brush Off"
-What's good at first isn't good in the long run. - Running theme ("That's Future Spike's problem!") in "It's About Time", "Swarm of the Century"
-Tradition doesn't mean you have to do it. - "Lesson Zero"
-Friends can hang out with other friends and that doesn't make anyone bad. - Pinkie's lesson in "Griffon the Brush Off"
-Careful what you wish for. - "The Best Night Ever"

A lot of those might not be the main point of the episodes I mentioned, but they're definitely concepts that are dealt with during the show.

That leaves:
-Your friends don't have to like everything you do. - This is shown frequently- often with Dash and Fluttershy.
-Save your money. - I don't think they really want to touch this one with a ten-foot pole. Equestrian economics are there, but that's a huge can to open, and the likelihood of it containing worms approaches 100%.
-Fighting isn't an answer. (But it appears they'd rather Dragonball Z fights. Maybe Tirek will show up in the Return of Frieza movie coming up.) - Sure, there are fight scenes. But there's also every single interaction between the CMC and DT&SS that doesn't end with Diamond Tiara getting slugged in the mouf to show that it's not necessary to fight your way out of every situation.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:07 am

To expand on the fight bit, it's not like the episode was solved by beating Tirek into submission. The fighting turned out to not be the answer, and Twilight had to solve the situation differently.

Also, defeating villains with a giant death friendship laser was a thing as early as the season 1 pilot. The bookend episodes always had more of a spectacle to them. Not to the extent the season 4 finale did, no, but it was always a thing.

Again, it's totally fine if that's not your bag. But making claims that are highly subjective to not even true doesn't really accomplish anything. You don't need to bitterly defend your opinion.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:35 am

Wylie wrote:-Tradition doesn't mean you have to do it. - "Lesson Zero"


Winter Wrap Up too, or maybe that's a counterpoint. :v:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:00 am

Wylie wrote:-Lying makes a situation worse. - "A Bird In The Hoof"

Don't forget "Leap of Faith" as well.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:12 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:It's a comparison. And a rather good one, as wines are considered to get better over time, so they are something else changed by time. So I believe the watering example works extremely well.


You're equating change in a television show to watering down a bottle of wine; in other words you're suggesting that change is a negative influence, something that can only make a program worse.

Are there any shows you like that you think improved over time? I think it took The Simpsons about three seasons to find its feet, and the show changed quite significantly to reach that point. Doctor Who is another example, being a show that changes more often and more dramatically than almost any other on television, and yet you'll very rarely find people who believe the earlier seasons were the best.

Watering down a bottle of wine is never an improvement, but change and evolution in television often can be.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:20 am

TV shows change and evolve as they go on and it can often be for the better. How long do you think it took Seinfeld or Cold Case to find their voice? TV shows change because, let's face it, if it was the same thing over and over, it'd get boring.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:48 am

From my experience (meaning I haven't seen EVERY animated show ever :-P ), I can't really recall a animated series that lasted several years and that got noticeably better until the very end. A handful of shows get better in the second or third season but then the later seasons they begin to suffer.

For example, a lot of cases I'm going to mention the Post-Movie Powerpuff Girls series changed dramatically from the superheroines beating up villains to a lot of hi-jinks with villains and solving problems through as little violence possible and I thought that was annoying and just rather boring. Dexter's Lab underwent a radical and unfortunate change in the early 2000s with the art style, characters, and voice acting. And I know Batman TAS fans who didn't like the 4th season as much due to the change in art styles, new characters/villains, and less than stellar episodes.

But there are a few exceptions off the top of my head like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Star Wars The Clone Wars (3D). I thought the first Foster's season was fine but rather restrained with their characters and shenanigans that occurred. But I think with each following season, it got more and more enjoyable. The shenanigans and situations got wilder and wilder. And there was just more added to the characters, giving them some depth or interesting background (Good Wilt Hunting). The only downside I know of but don't share is that I know people who didn't like Bloo becoming more of a jerk but personally, I think it made him more of a endearing ***hole and thus more enjoyable when he gets what he deserves at the end/
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With The Clone Wars, I really didn't like the show until the last few seasons when they mostly dropped the 'Grand Black and White Dumb Predictable Clone Wars' war-themed episodes and instead, focused their stories on the characters and the darker themes of that universe.

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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:21 am

PaulloDEC wrote:
You're equating change in a television show to watering down a bottle of wine; in other words you're suggesting that change is a negative influence, something that can only make a program worse.

Are there any shows you like that you think improved over time? I think it took The Simpsons about three seasons to find its feet, and the show changed quite significantly to reach that point. Doctor Who is another example, being a show that changes more often and more dramatically than almost any other on television, and yet you'll very rarely find people who believe the earlier seasons were the best.

Watering down a bottle of wine is never an improvement, but change and evolution in television often can be.


You're completely manipulating my point. I never said change was bad. In fact if you actually read my post, I said change was fine, as long as it remained true to itself. I equated watering to be too much change, which I feel it's going through.

Wylie wrote:Removing the E/I label wasn't done by anyone as a result of the fandom, that much is certain- it was done before Season 2 started, when the showrunners weren't truly aware of a fandom existing yet.


Except that one of the reasons cited for removal of the E/I logo was the increase in pop culture references, a direct connection to the fandom. And yes, the showrunners were most certainly aware of the fandom before S2 started.

Perrydotto wrote:You don't need to bitterly defend your opinion.


I'm sorry, I get extremely defensive about my opinions when I'm a minority.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:36 am

I doubt that the fandom had much to do with the pop culture references- Return of Harmony was made WELL before the fandom was well known amongst the showrunners, yet it still have references to Star Trek, Star Wars and The Shining.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:37 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:You're completely manipulating my point. I never said change was bad. In fact if you actually read my post, I said change was fine, as long as it remained true to itself. I equated watering to be too much change, which I feel it's going through.


I read your post. The difficulty here is that the difference you're asserting between a good amount of change and too much change is kinda hard to pin down. By and large I'd have said the differences between S1 and S4 were extraordinarily subtle when compared with the changes other shows face, and that by slapping a "Dear Princess Celestia" on the end you could make a bunch of S4 episodes fit into either of the first two seasons without much trouble.

ROBOT B9 wrote:I doubt that the fandom had much to do with the pop culture references- Return of Harmony was made WELL before the fandom was well known amongst the showrunners, yet it still have references to Star Trek, Star Wars and The Shining.


Yeah, that line of thinking seems pretty unlikely to me. I mean, are there even that many references in S2 that are overt enough to get the attention of the people in charge of ratings? Is there a list of them somewhere?
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Postby Sobana (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:03 pm

Something has changed in the show but I can't put my figure on it. Almost like it lost it's innocence.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:12 pm

I personally don't think it has...it goes into a little bit more mature territory but it's still has a lot of its innocence and charm...look at episodes like Testing, Testing, 123 or Pinkie Apple Pie. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:24 pm

I think the simple answer is that it's growing up. Some cartoons like to reset things at the end of every episode or season. MLP makes things stick, which means you can't do new episodes without taking into account what happened in the prior ones.

If things now seem more complex or mature, it's because each season that goes by is adding more detail to the overall picture.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:38 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:MLP makes things stick, which means you can't do new episodes without taking into account what happened in the prior ones.


Ummmmmmm... :gotcha:
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Postby InC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:03 pm

Expected a link about the glue making process, was disappointed. :fluttersmith:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:41 pm



I'm just going to chalk that one up to Rainbow being an idiot. I mean, humans aren't the only creatures who've got hands! I'm not a horse, a crab or a dog, and yet I still know what a hoof, a claw/pincer and a paw are!
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:46 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:
I'm just going to chalk that one up to Rainbow being an idiot. I mean, humans aren't the only creatures who've got hands! I'm not a horse, a crab or a dog, and yet I still know what a hoof, a claw/pincer and a paw are!


Oh, blame Rainbow Dash only, huh? :grumpydash: :wat:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:53 pm

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Oh, blame Rainbow Dash only, huh? :grumpydash: :wat:


Rarity was clearly just humouring her with that look. Plus, we all know Dash can shake an insult off better than Rarity :cry:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:15 pm


Considering that this is EqG, I think PaulloDEC would've be better off saying that "FiM makes things stick."
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:17 pm

Anyway, on another note, we're supposed to get more S5 info in a few weeks, right?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:48 pm

Yes, there'll be a new S5 trailer coming out on February 16.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:56 pm

OK- the 16th. Just wanted to make a note of that.

So, that means it's only 3 weeks away for an official trailer! :yay:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Wylie wrote:To your ideas:
-Lying makes a situation worse. - "A Bird In The Hoof"
-Don't blame your friends for something you could have done. - Rainbow Dash, "TT123"
-Don't let someone tell you not to be around your friends. - Rainbow Dash's lesson in "Griffon the Brush Off"
-What's good at first isn't good in the long run. - Running theme ("That's Future Spike's problem!") in "It's About Time", "Swarm of the Century"
-Tradition doesn't mean you have to do it. - "Lesson Zero"
-Friends can hang out with other friends and that doesn't make anyone bad. - Pinkie's lesson in "Griffon the Brush Off"
-Careful what you wish for. - "The Best Night Ever"

A lot of those might not be the main point of the episodes I mentioned, but they're definitely concepts that are dealt with during the show.

That leaves:
-Your friends don't have to like everything you do. - This is shown frequently- often with Dash and Fluttershy.
-Save your money. - I don't think they really want to touch this one with a ten-foot pole. Equestrian economics are there, but that's a huge can to open, and the likelihood of it containing worms approaches 100%.
-Fighting isn't an answer. (But it appears they'd rather Dragonball Z fights. Maybe Tirek will show up in the Return of Frieza movie coming up.) - Sure, there are fight scenes. But there's also every single interaction between the CMC and DT&SS that doesn't end with Diamond Tiara getting slugged in the mouf to show that it's not necessary to fight your way out of every situation.


Are you really gonna argue there aren't dozens of possible premises, just looking at playground lessons and classical story morals? :-I

No shit some of these will fit existing episodes, they're total clichés. That doesn't mean you can't base entire episodes around them :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:59 pm

Arthur has been on for how many seasons now? And they're still producing new episodes with new "playground lessons." Personally I've always been fond of the one where Binky accidentally steals the joke Buster had prepared to open his oral report with and Buster spends the whole episode bitter about it, to the point where it ruins the stand-up routine he did for the school talent show. And the whole time, Binky had no idea he'd done anything to make him mad. That's an angle I don't think I've seen in another kids' show.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:39 am

Yeah, I don't think that the show is in any sort of trouble of running out of morals any time soon.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:27 am

If it isn't running out of morals then why did they to start change it as if there were?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:45 am

Well, it hasn't really changed in that respect as most episodes do still have a moral. They just don't make it as obvious as they used to with the Celestia letters.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:03 pm

Sobana wrote:If it isn't running out of morals then why did they to start change it as if there were?


Could be that this was the original vision, before they had to make concessions to the EI rating (Faust did want a more adventurey show). Maybe knowing they had an adult fanbase made them try a little harder, since it seems like it'd be easy to have slightly more complex storylines and appeal to both audiences. Or it's simply the way they've decided the show should evolve :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:35 pm




Not that I don't see where she's coming from, and agree to some extent, but I think this:

particularly in view of the 2013 spin-off, Equestria Girls, which turned the adventurers of My Little Pony into ultra-skinny, status-obsessed high-school girls who are one thousand percent about combing hair and changing clothes.


is such a comical exaggeration it loses any persuasive value. Yeah, I'm not EqG's biggest fan, and I agree it was almost certainly a mandate handed down by marketing, but it's not nearly as empty and vapid as she implies. And for all the fandom mocks Flash Sentry, he barely even shows up enough to warrant being called a side character, rather than the spinoff being all about boys like she claims.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:18 pm

The article's a bit dismissive of EqG, but that's very much not the overall point. Mostly it's a "hey isn't this brony thing something" piece.

Also it's saying that for all its faults, EqG is at least better than Monster High at body image/sexualization stuff.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:34 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Also it's saying that for all its faults, EqG is at least better than Monster High at body image/sexualization stuff.

I agree. For as much as I might rag on EqG, at least it only creeped me out in the uncanny valley sense, not the "why are they sexing up these children's cartoon characters" sense. The short skirts for everybody and the lame relationship with Brad were dumb, but they certainly could've been worse.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:31 am

I'm still looking forward to S5. It's been a looong time since last pony, so I'm afraid the season will feel really short in comparison.

As for the changes over time, when the show started it was just so different from anything else out there. The charm, the simple social focus, the overturning of "girly" expectations... these were all part of the initial unexpected draw. As it grows, it does bring on things that we've seen elsewhere (questing, action, drama) but from that really different starting point as its foundation.

One could argue that it's losing its difference because these new additions are things everybody else has already done, and often better. One could argue that it's a great contrast to see these characters come into things beyond their simple introductory topics. One could argue that the simple charms still shine through. And samples can be made from all over the episodes to support any of these stances.

Of course, the irony of the complaints of the direction of the show is that it appears Lauren (and obviously Meghan) really wanted magical questing action & adventure from the get-go, and were shoehorned into what ended up as season 1.

I really try to hold myself from expectations, since it really could go either way. I just hope to enjoy it. :allears:
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