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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:05 pm

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Summer Games Done Quick. It's a charity event where people try to finish a game as fast as possible using shortcuts and glitches. The two guys are doing a co-op speedrun of Bubble Bobble.

They're also giving each other a lot of shit and it's hilarious.


They raise a few hundred thousand each year, too, and have only been growing year over year.

Fav is probably this four way Super Metroid race. It helps if you're familiar with the game so you can see just exactly how they've thoroughly broken it. :gotcha:
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:15 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Rainbow Dash makes a cameo in the new Transformers movie. :v:

That's great! Call it a guilty pleasure or whatever, but I'm legit excited for the new Transformers movie!

Mark Wahlberg? Optimus Prime? Robot dionosaurs? Count me in! :awesomedash:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:19 pm

I'll probably check it out as well, it looks a lot better than the last 2 Transformers.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:10 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:It looks a lot better than the last 2 Transformers.


Better =/= Good :-I

Personally, I never really liked Transformers or anything like that. No, not just the movies (ok, I saw the first one only but I was so bored I fell asleep but once I woke up and saw the final battle, I was getting motion sickness from the shaky cam and sickening editing) but I just am not a fan of the entire designs of the robots. I suppose it's something from Japan but i never liked these blocky human-looking robots. There's also other reasons but it's mainly the aesthetic that is keeping me from watching even the good stuff of TF, like TF Prime.

Also, fun fact, apparently Michael Bay doesnt even enjoy making these Transformers films (nor the Turtles film he's producing i guess). In fact, he's mostly directing these films so he can make his own movies. Supposedly he and Paramount have a 'deal' where Bay creates these loud blasting spectacles for the masses in exchange for Paramount agreeing to green lighting his own personal projects like Pain And Gain.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:29 pm

So basically Bay is Paramount/Hasbro's Buttmonkey!? :gotcha:

I can totally believe this. :v:

There is no heart in these films. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:41 pm

More a place for this question...

How canon are the comics?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:44 pm

Eh, I personally don't think its canon but I don't know if the show writers ever confirmed that it is.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:44 pm

Comics are cannon until disproven by show.

That's what Andy price said anyway.

So basically unless the show does something to openly say they aren't cannon, they are cannon.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:09 pm

Rachel33 wrote:
How canon are the comics?


As canon-y as you want it to be :cheese:

The problem is that there isn't one singular voice that binds everything about G4 together into one cohesive tight continuity. We dont have a George Lucas going: "Yes, that Starkiller chap who can bring down a Star Destroyer with his bare hands even though The Emperor cant in a thousand years is totally canon" :cheese: . Lauren and Renzetti jumped off so as far as I'm concerned, everything after Return to Harmony is all expensive studio-produced fanfiction
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Yes I know that Lauren did do a bit of overseeing for the following episodes but that was just a few and I believe she wasn't as prominent in the production (i.e. At the voice recording sessions) like on RtH. Plus I just see RtH being a more or less perfect way to end the story of our characters. Sure, we never got to see Rainbow Dash become a Wonderbolt, the CMC get their cutie marks, and so on but I'll take the self-contained, consistently good, pre-downhill-AJ Season 1 and the ending ripped from A New Hope over post-Faust/Renzetti FiM


I know I'm repeating myself but I disagree with Andy Price's comments. Just because something is not confirmed doesnt mean it's necessarily true. I'd use an easy and Atheistic example but I rather not get into religion and controversial arguments. And Andy Price isn't the comic book story editor or FiM series creator so unless Lauren, Renzetti, or perhaps even Hasbro says these things DID happen, I'm going to just believe that the comics reside in a parallel universe (which theory is strengthened thanks to EqG).

And I dont think it's necessarily a terrible thing for the comics to be non-canon to the main series. I think it being separate from the show canon-wise lets them do more cartoony, epic-er, wacky stuff stuff you wouldn't see in the show. And while I gave up on the series because of the insane amount of references and pretentious in-jokes only comic book nerds know of, i greatly appreciated how the comics did things better than the show like making Celestia and Luna waaaaay more well rounded characters with more layers to them AND Andy Price did a great job of giving them actual human-like expressions than the dull lifeless monotone ones from the show.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:17 pm

@AC thanks of the heads up about my post.

Any who back on topic.

Saying one piece of fiction in a work of fiction being more fictional then another is silly.

Also by that mind set not a single Spider-Man comic made after Stan Lee left is cannon, that's a lot of decades or fan fiction. :v:

The creators is just a cog in the machine of storytelling, he/she alone does not make a work alone.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:18 pm

I certainly don't think the animation is stiff at all. I personally feel its very lively and the expressions are vivid. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:25 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I certainly don't think the animation is stiff at all. I personally feel its very lively and the expressions are vivid. :pinkieshrug:


I agree, the animation is pretty lively.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:29 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Comics are cannon until disproven by show.

That's what Andy price said anyway.

So basically unless the show does something to openly say they aren't cannon, they are cannon.


Haven't there been multiple clashes of things between the show and the comics? Mostly about the timeline of things. Regardless, I've always felt the comics were as if they were a "pocket universe".
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:35 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:@AC thanks of the heads up about my post.

Saying one piece of fiction in a work of fiction being more fictional then another is silly.

Also by that mind set not a single Spider-Man comic made after Stan Lee left is cannon, that's a lot of decades or fan fiction. :v:

The creators is just a cog in the machine of storytelling, he/she alone does not make a work alone.


Np

True, but the thing is... COMICS.ARE.WEIRD :twonk: I can go into massive detail why the continuity is so cra-cra but the simplest one is...: DECADES UPON DECADES OF EXPANDING ON THE MATERIAL WITH CHANGING AUTHORS AND ARTISTS

G4 on the other hand is like, just 4-5 years old. Plus the MLP comics are based off the show whereas the Amazing Spider Man comics was where all the Spider Man incarnations and movies and shows, etc. took influence from.

And in regards to post-Stan Lee, I believe that the Amazing Spider Man comics is still canon because the ASM series is part of the 616 universe, which is the main/canon side. Despite Stan Lee leaving, the company firmly says that ASM is canon and this is the alpha Peter Parker in the franchise. And I more or less can be okay with companies dictating what is and what isn't canon like in this case because the franchise is so bloated and lasted so long and it's comics, whaddya expect? Of course there's always going to be caveats and exceptions (20th Century Fox having a say on the canon of the Aliens franchise which has it's pros and cons). And Hasbro hasn't come out and said:

"This is(n't)canon... Please stop wasting your lives arguing about it... That is all" :-I
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:41 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
Haven't there been multiple clashes of things between the show and the comics? Mostly about the timeline of things. Regardless, I've always felt the comics were as if they were a "pocket universe".


Nothing in the comics is outright clashing with the timeline in the show, as far as I can tell. Sure, sometimes the margins are quite tight (the latest comic arc has Twilight as a princess but includes the elements of harmony, meaning it all must have taken place between the S3 finale and the S4 opener, for example), but I haven't seen anything outright contradictory.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:46 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I certainly don't think the animation is stiff at all. I personally feel its very lively and the expressions are vivid. :pinkieshrug:


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I agree, the animation is pretty lively.


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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:47 pm



Eh, still think the show does it better. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:50 pm

While that face is great, we're really comparing apples and oranges. Drawings are going to look more detailed than the animation.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:51 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:While that face is great, we're really comparing apples and oranges. Drawings are going to look more detailed than the animation.


This too.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:54 pm

Bremen wrote:
Nothing in the comics is outright clashing with the timeline in the show, as far as I can tell. Sure, sometimes the margins are quite tight (the latest comic arc has Twilight as a princess but includes the elements of harmony, meaning it all must have taken place between the S3 finale and the S4 opener, for example), but I haven't seen anything outright contradictory.


There was book arc, where they referred to Power Ponies, but Daring Do was still fictional. And the Elements were present in that. And there was the Nightmare arc, with Luna transitioning, so it had to be between S1 and S2, but it had to be after S2 because the previous arc was the revenge of Chrysalis one. And it also had a reformed Trixie, so it had to be during S3, but at the same time it wasn't.

So that kind of stuff makes me say it's its own pocket universe.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:56 pm

@AC if you don't want me wasting lives don't read mah posts. :v: also we all automatically waste our lives every time we get on the Internet. :fluttersmith:

Anywho as said the only real problem anyone could have IMO is he fact the books arc happens after power ponies, and the current reflections arc happens between EQG & the S4 Premire like the pirates arc did. But thats really only a problem if you believe a narrative needs to have a smooth linear time line.

Personally I like the wibbly wobbly ones

@sheid: Nightmarity arc happens in the later half of S3, pre MMC basically arcs 1-4 are Season 3 side be, the 13 eps we didn't get.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:13 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:While that face is great, we're really comparing apples and oranges. Drawings are going to look more detailed than the animation.


Oh, I was talking about the expressiveness in the comic versions of Celestia and Luna in that I feel the artists (especially Andy Price) are usually able to convey more through their facial expressions than the animators in the show.

And while it is true that drawings will often look better and it's impossible that they'll ever animate the show or future shows in that level of detail, I believe that the show could do more in the expression department (it's doing a good job for the rest of the cast though) even without as much detail like in the comics. I guess I've been spoiled by shows like Ren And Stimpy, The Mickey Mouse Shorts, and Wander Over Yonder. The first two shows having some awfully well detailed expressions in animated form and being very flexible with the range of expressions in all three shows. I suppose maybe the showmakers dont want a lot of range and flexibility with the expressions because Tia and Luna are 'different'/Alicorn Goddesses rather than the more relatable variants in the comics.

So yeah, I will admit it's unfair to ask (though I never actually asked) for the amount of detail in the expressions from the comics to be in the show but I would like to see more range with the expressions. At the moment it's fine with Tia and Luna but I'll welcome improvement and effort, as well as seeing more of the two's non-princess-y character sides.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:47 pm

Rachel33 wrote:More a place for this question...

How canon are the comics?


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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:59 pm

Random but, could someone help me transparent the edges of my avatar? i keep trying and it keeps making her eyes transparent. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:02 pm

So far the comics and the show jive well. Andy has said that as far as Hasbro is concerned, it's canon unless the show says otherwise.

Personally, I think the comics have done a lot of things better, especially Luna and Celestia. The last few seasons of the show, Celestia and Luna aren't characters, they're their jobs. Celestia is the ruler, and Luna watches over dreams. That's the extent of their character. We got a little Luna characterization in "Luna Eclipsed", but that hasn't really had any impact on her future appearances. Certainly we got some nice Celestia characterization in S1/S2, but nothing outside of exposition and getting kidnapped since.

The comics expand on what we've gotten before. Katie isn't afraid to show that Celestia isn't perfect, while at the same time, still making it abundantly clear that she's very wise and powerful. The Celestia Micro, written by Ball, is a very cute story showing how Celestia rules. Rather than put her hoof down and just solve the problem, she sets things up so the problem solves itself with little involvement from her, allowing others to grow from the situation. Luna in the comics is usually shown as brash but lovable. Enjoying the power of ruler ship she has, but not being mean about it. She's also not perfect, but again, it is shown that she quite capable.

Basically, the two characters are treated as the powerful beings they are. Something I think the show has failed at in recent years.

Another plus I'll give the comic. There was a small subplot in the recent arc about Twilight's fears about becoming a princess. Even going into her expectations that she would follow a path like Starswirl and now shes expected to become a ruler. She has fears that she has to live up to Celestia. While a minor part of the arc, this subplot culminates in a series of events where Celestia is telling Twilight that she is ready to rule, and that she will have to take her place at Luna's side. It's a far more effective and emotional look at Twilight's fears than the show did in S4 with the only problem being doing something more than waving.

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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:04 pm

sailoryue wrote:Random but, could someone help me transparent the edges of my avatar? i keep trying and it keeps making her eyes transparent. :v:



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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:19 pm

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:08 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Rainbow Dash makes a cameo in the new Transformers movie. :v:

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Can you say shameless Product Placement!? :gotcha:

Also, gee Hasbro, thanks for reminding the audience they could be at home watching pony reruns offa Netflix instead. :rainbert:


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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:00 pm

Rainbow Dash, Rainbow Dash,
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Wealth and fame? she's ignored. :offendash:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:02 pm

I'd just like to see the show reference the comics sometime. While S4's production schedule was almost certainly too tight for them to put references in at any point, I'm sure S5 has plenty of time for that. And Meghan McCarthy seems to read and like the comics, too, so perhaps she'll think of them someday.
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:20 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:There was book arc, where they referred to Power Ponies, but Daring Do was still fictional. And the Elements were present in that. And there was the Nightmare arc, with Luna transitioning, so it had to be between S1 and S2, but it had to be after S2 because the previous arc was the revenge of Chrysalis one. And it also had a reformed Trixie, so it had to be during S3, but at the same time it wasn't.

So that kind of stuff makes me say it's its own pocket universe.

I can get behind this. Yeah, Andy Price has said straight out that the comics and the show are part of the same canon, but I honestly don't quite believe it(*); the two do a great job of staying out of each other's way, but I find it tough to believe that arcs like Nightmare Rarity or the return of Chrysalis could just happen and be erased without having the slightest effect on the show's overall plot or how the ponies relate to each other. Even if it's not The Gospel of Price, the pocket universe idea seems more accurate to me.

(*) yes, this is illogical, but you know what I'm getting at

The Doctor wrote:Personally, I think the comics have done a lot of things better, especially Luna and Celestia. The last few seasons of the show, Celestia and Luna aren't characters, they're their jobs. Celestia is the ruler, and Luna watches over dreams. That's the extent of their character. We got a little Luna characterization in "Luna Eclipsed", but that hasn't really had any impact on her future appearances. Certainly we got some nice Celestia characterization in S1/S2, but nothing outside of exposition and getting kidnapped since.

Pretty much agreed-- the comics have done much more to shape Celestia and Cadance than the show ever has. Though I do feel the show has done much more with Luna than you've said. Finding out she watches over dreams was a huge spot of character development; it's really impacted the way I see her, at least. Especially in For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils, where we get hints of this interesting disconnect between the radiant, kind princess that Luna is in the dream world and the sterner, more awkward pony she is in the waking world. Also from that episode, I think it's interesting that even after four seasons "back to normal," Luna is still so bothered by the conflict between her and Celestia that her regret spills out to some random unicorn filly whose dream she's entered.

On a related note, I honestly don't think of show-Luna and comics-Luna as the same pony. Their personalities are so different that I can't even reconcile them. I love them both, and I think they're both growing into very effective characters with a lot of storyline potential in the future. But they're not the same very effective character.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:23 pm

Have something cute

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Kids drawings of MLP. Also Luna is a kitty.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:31 pm

I too have found cuteness. :allears:



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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:53 pm

Perfection. :twiright:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:12 pm

I think the comics supplementing the show really works when you take into account the fact that the show can often be really loose on continuity with itself anyways. Plus, the fact that it does add depth to a few characters that really need it ought to be a good reason to regard them as mostly canon. The main place where canon would be challenged is in the "big" events since they have more they can run into conflict with. Main thing I'd like to see the show do is less of using direct comics stories and more using those little tidbits of depth. Like the fact that Cadance and Shining Armor are two big nerds (something S4 did sorta acknowledge with Cadance) or giving Celestia more time as a character than just a plot device and infodump giver.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:40 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:I too have found cuteness. :allears:


That's great :allears: Reminds me of this one:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:45 am

:awesomedash: Saw Transformers in IMAX and got to see a 40ft Rainbow Dash!
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:16 am

Yea the comics add a great level of fleshing out for some characters, they're a good supplement.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:42 am

Seven Seas wrote:
On a related note, I honestly don't think of show-Luna and comics-Luna as the same pony. Their personalities are so different that I can't even reconcile them. I love them both, and I think they're both growing into very effective characters with a lot of storyline potential in the future. But they're not the same very effective character.


Luna Eclipsed showed how Luna would let her hair down and have fun. The comics kind of ran with that. Dram Luna is kind, but stern. In the two instances we've seen it, she's more serious, but that's also because it's work time for her. Helping out in dreams is not the time for the fun-loving Luna we see at the end of Luna Eclipsed or the comics.

That being said, I still stand by my statement that Luna is kind of defined just by that dream walking thing now, and hasn't gotten much development since S2.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:44 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:\ I'll take the self-contained, consistently good, pre-downhill-AJ Season 1 and the ending ripped from A New Hope over post-Faust/Renzetti FiM.


I will literally never understand why you think AJ went downhill after Season 1. Like, seriously, never. She really only had one episode of her own in Season 1!
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