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Postby Jupiter The Pony (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:12 pm

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And his penis? I've never seen that movie so I have no idea if that reference is correct, or if I'm getting it mixed up. :|

Anyways, I just started watching the show, any recommended episodes that stick out from other MLP:FiM episodes?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:25 pm

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And his penis? I've never seen that movie so I have no idea if that reference is correct, or if I'm getting it mixed up. :|

Anyways, I just started watching the show, any recommended episodes that stick out from other MLP:FiM episodes?



Any episode with Applejack or the crusaders! As they are best ponies!! :flirt:



But on a more serious note, all the eps are pretty fun to watch, even the weaker ones have some fun moments. But for a couple good reccomindations. Ponyville Confidential & Party of One are generally considered pretty good episodes. I'd also reccomend Applebuck Season & One Bad Apple myself.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:29 pm

I'd say you should start with Season One and work your way through the rest of the series that way to get a feel of it. Anyway, hope you have a good time here, Jupiter! :)
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:32 pm

I think one of the most appreciated parts of FiM is the character development, and for better or worse there's not really any shortcut to that. Most episodes just build on previous episodes.
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Postby Stargazer (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:34 pm

Applebuck Season was the first one I watched :3: Party of One is fantastic as well. If we're to stay in S1, I also recommend Feeling Pinkie Keen because she's fantastically meta and gravity-defying, and Green Isn't Your Color for ponies being hilarious.

e: I also completely agree with B9 and Bremen; no harm in chronological order! As someone who tended to jump around S1, that's fine, but I would recommend not jumping to any new seasons before you finish the previous ones.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:38 pm

Certainly agree that you should start at the beginning. While the show is very serialized, and outside of Twilight getting an upgrade, there isn't really anything major to keep track of, there are tons of neat little things that make you appreciate the work that goes into the show.

I think I saw two episodes before I just went back and started from the beginning (Sonic Rainboom and Over A Barrel).
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Postby Octavia (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:41 pm

Start at the beginning and watch them all in order. Netflix has every episode. :crack:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:59 pm

I agree with everyone else in that it's best to watch them in order. While this isn't a strict soap opera or a serial anime or anything, I think it is still best enjoyed as we see them aired.
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:07 pm

I agree with all the folks saying to just watch the episodes in order! That will give you the best perspective on each character's development and the deepening of their relationships, which I think is the most wonderful part of the show. Plus, let's be real-- you've already started posting on a pony forum. You're in this for the long haul.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:08 pm

Bremen wrote:I think one of the most appreciated parts of FiM is the character development, and for better or worse there's not really any shortcut to that. Most episodes just build on previous episodes.


The only shortcut I feel was the AJ and AB relationship. S1 they established that the two weren't exactly in sync (Bridle Gossip, Show Stoppers, and one other ep) and then S2's Sisterhooves Social, they just happen to be perfectly compatible for some reason.

It felt more like the writer brushed aside the whole unresolved AJ/AB tentative relationship in exchange to show Rarity what a good sister is. And honestly, I think they could have pulled off the how to be a good sister even if AJ and AB weren't on even grounds (I dunno, maybe have AJ or AB quietly tell Rarity that despite them not getting along, they still deep down love each other and/or are slowly getting there and so can Rarity with Sweetie Belle).

To me, it felt like the next time they'd touch on (and sort of resolve) their less-than-perfect relationship would be in Somepony to Watch Over Me. Which was two seasons later and while I didn't like the episode mostly because of the ending, I did enjoy how AJ was waaaay too precarious and protective she was of her sister because finally some conflict. Also, I heard a handful of fans found this sister conflict to be out of character because up till now they've been nothing but perfect to one another. I on the other hand, have been waiting for this conflict to resume for years... Too bad the episode's ending still left a bad taste in my mouth.
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But yeah, that's the only shortcut that comes mind. S1 they show that the two aren't getting along very well, S2 until late S4 they decided to make them perfectly loving and trusting of one another, and they finally resumed that issue in the later half of S4. I wonder if they'll make another episode on their potentially rocky relationship or maybe Somepony to Watch Over Me really did resolve their sisterly rivalry.

Edit: Oh, I know I've stayed away from discussing FiM since May but I won't be able to avoid Season 5 or... EqG2 so I might as well slowly get back to it. Oh, and apparently I had a hard time remembering the names of these episodes so I had to check the names to be sure.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:33 pm

Pinkie Apple Pie showed that Applejack and her family tend to hide their issues in front of others, which could explain why they seemed so perfect for so long. It just took a while before it visibly came to a head.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:56 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Pinkie Apple Pie showed that Applejack and her family tend to hide their issues in front of others, which could explain why they seemed so perfect for so long. It just took a while before it visibly came to a head.


The thing with Pinkie Apple Pie though was that it felt more like Pinkie and the misfortunes were causing and triggering the family to squabble. Had she didn't find out about her supposed connection to the Apples, none of the infighting would have happened aka their calamity riddled excursion wouldn't occur ergo no family bickering.

If memory recalls (cuz I only saw it once and hopefully never again), I just remember a series of unfortunate events happening to the Apple Family and they just blamed one another in the context of that specific situation rather than building off something from a past episode (which is nearly impossible given the lack of any conflict the family had previously). I could totally be wrong, so... Correct me if I am, please.

With Somepony To Watch Over Me, however, that felt more organic and to me it did have its roots, just a long time ago. PAP, though, felt like they had to have the family fight amongst themselves because almost every family trip episode in any cartoon, tv series, movie, and so on does it so might as well jump on the bandwagon.

Not that I'm saying they shouldn't have fought because other forms of media do it already (and personally I wish they amped up the family tensions in PAP) but speaking on terms of the family conflict being natural and organic, Somepony To Watch Over Me handles that better than Pinkie Apple Pie. The former had S1 to remind the audience of their rocky relationship (though I'm not sure how many remembered given the years to get to Somepony To Watch Over Me) whereas PAP felt self-contained and their infighting was done out of story/tropes necessity than character development and continuity.
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PS Gawd, Is it annoying to type out 'Somepony To Watch Over Me' :facehoof: What is the proper abbreviation?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:58 pm

That and first seasons are more like Beta versions of the show, characters &/or realstionships in many shows have changed, sometimes drastically between just the first & second season.

Plus it's not like there's always consistency with sibling realstionships. One day you may love each other, the next day you might just wanna kill each other. So AB & AJ being more or less in tune with one another isn't anything out of the ordinary .

Edit: why is it annoying to type an episodes name??
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Probably because some of them are so long, making it more pain to type out.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:22 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Plus it's not like there's always consistency with sibling realstionships. One day you may love each other, the next day you might just wanna kill each other. So AB & AJ being more or less in tune with one another isn't anything


Well, that sure was one long consistent lovely relationship they had from Sisterhooves Social to Somepony To Watch Over Me (40 episodes. About 6 to 8 eps being Apple family or AJ-AB related episodes of which as you guess it, they don't really have any family or sibling rivalry)
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But I get you, I just think they were too consistent after Sisterhooves Social. Intersperse a few sibling rivalry episodes in S2 and onwards and I probably would be satisfied if not pleased.

Though I will admit that I do prefer seeing the typical sibling rivalry in shows, movies, cartoons, whatever which is weird because I do not get along with my siblings (well, older sis, yes we get along but she's not with me anymore so I'm stuck with the she-devil that is my little sister...). Maybe because I relate to the characters and their rivalries...? That said, I do enjoy seeing moments when they eventually have their sweet moments together when they stop fighting so it's not like all I want to see is just fighting exclusively. Throw in some tender moments, y'know.

It's kinda why I'm disappointed that they just took a shortcut from S1 to S2. Seeing them 'struggle' with one another yet slowly learning to love each other (like the alternate Sisterhooves Social suggestion I made) probably would have been more sweet and touching for me.

The fact is, though, that didn't happen and I'm sure there's a handful of fans and viewers who like how perfe- I mean, how non-cliched or how their sibling relationship didn't conform to common tropes in most of media so to each their own, I guess,

Edit: why is it annoying to type an episodes name??


... Touchpad :notthisshitagain: Plus it may just be me but the title is still pretty long. Five separate words and even the abbreviations look wonky and confusing hence I try to type the whole name out.

Edit: Yeah, what ROBOT B9 said.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:43 pm

I blame part of the lack of diversity on the fact AJ arguably didn't get as much focus in Season 2 as she did say season 1 or 4. But that's just my theory.

And yeah, typing on phones &/or tablets can get tedious/annoying.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:26 pm

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And his penis? I've never seen that movie so I have no idea if that reference is correct, or if I'm getting it mixed up. :|

Anyways, I just started watching the show, any recommended episodes that stick out from other MLP:FiM episodes?


Just watch them in order, don't start with favorites, I'd say. Because then it's like setting a high standard for the rest of the show.

However, my personal favorite episodes I'd say to look forward to in watching them in order, are Suited for Success and Sonic Rainboom.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:14 am

Yeah, plus it allows you to get a feel of the characters development and the world building of the show.
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Postby Skipper (?) » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:51 am

Jupiter The Pony wrote:
And his penis? I've never seen that movie so I have no idea if that reference is correct, or if I'm getting it mixed up. :|

Anyways, I just started watching the show, any recommended episodes that stick out from other MLP:FiM episodes?

All episodes are the best, so each episode is recommended. :rainbert:

Joking aside, I think they should all be watched in order at least once since it'll give some nice sense of character development that might otherwise be missed.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:13 am

Reminder that Twi didn't trade her books to that little filly in Trade Ya and ended up keeping them, only for them to be blown to smithereens 4 episodes later.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:38 am

:rainbert: Princess Huge Jerk, that's who she is...
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:54 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:Reminder that Twi didn't trade her books to that little filly in Trade Ya and ended up keeping them, only for them to be blown to smithereens 4 episodes later.

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I'm really looking forward to the Season 5 episode that deals with the fallout of that whole tree/books/home issue.

I didn't imagine that, right? Someone said on a panel or something that we'd be getting an episode about that?
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:00 am

The Doctor wrote::rainbert: Princess Huge Jerk, that's who she is...


That was Pinkie's fault. She's the one who stopped the trade from happening. She's the one that drove the filly off with thinly-veiled threats if she spoke of this again. She's the one that hyped the books to no end and persuaded Twilight to keep them. She's the one that took credit for Twilight keeping her books.

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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:03 am

To be honest, to me it looks like she was going to end up giving her the books but that scene was cut for time. It's just funny that it turned out the way it did :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:07 am

InsertAuthorHere wrote:Pinkie Pie is the most evil pony in Equestria.


Nah, that title needs to go to Skeletor pony. :-I

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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:35 am

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Nah, that title needs to go to Skeletor pony. :-I

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The difference is that Pinkie Pie wins. All Skeletor can do is sit in his big snake-shaped rock and blame his subordinates for his own failure.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:50 am

InsertAuthorHere wrote:
That was Pinkie's fault. She's the one who stopped the trade from happening. She's the one that drove the filly off with thinly-veiled threats if she spoke of this again. She's the one that hyped the books to no end and persuaded Twilight to keep them. She's the one that took credit for Twilight keeping her books.

Pinkie Pie is the most evil pony in Equestria.


Pinkie was just looking out so that her friend got a better deal. :pinkieshrug: The books would have ended up just as not blown-up with any buyer Pinkie could find (if she hadn't had flown off the handle a bit in a funny and understandable way). She wanted Twilight to get rid of the books; it was ultimately Twilight's choice, not her antics.

Besides, the best good for the books wouldn't have been in the hand of one filly; Twilight could have donated them to other libraries and/or good will organizations, so that many people could benefit from them. Taking them to a trade meet was a bad idea. :rainbert:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:15 am

Pinkie isn't evil at all, that title belongs to Big Mac. ...It's always the one you least expect...
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Postby Durandal (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:49 am

What was twilight's fail-safe spell supposed to do?
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Postby Dal (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:52 am

If I had to guess, it was a some type of dispel magic.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:03 am

Mr. Big wrote:Seeing Sergio Aragones draw Ponies would be glorious :whatsup:


There's a Sergio Batman figurine at my local comic shop.

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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:07 am

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I'm really looking forward to the Season 5 episode that deals with the fallout of that whole tree/books/home issue.

I didn't imagine that, right? Someone said on a panel or something that we'd be getting an episode about that?

I think it's more a case of the collective will of the bronies that will materialize this episode into existence...
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:16 am

^ No, this was definitely mentioned somewhere. There will be an episode in which Twilight has to come to terms with the fact that her treebrary (and basically her whole former life) is gone. I can't find the link, agh, but it was something that came up in a Bronycon/Galacon panel and was posted in a summary on EQD.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:29 am

Man, why season 5 is gonna have some real heart tugging eps, isn't it. :saddershy:

I don't know if my feels will survive! :gonkity:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:04 am

I honestly feel like the tree would probably be mentioned once, then forgotten about for whatever new shiny building they ended up getting in the finale.


I'm not sure how to feel. I still haven't watched the finale, but going off of what I've seen so far from images and knowing what's coming back, I'm really feeling like I'm avoiding disappointment by not watching it. It's like I want to see it, but don't at the same time.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:12 am

I actually didn't even blink when the tree got blown up, other then thinking "Ok, Twilight is going to be mad." When I saw the big fan reaction, I honestly started to wonder if there was something wrong or deviant with my (total lack of) reaction :pinkieshrug:.

Maybe there's a psychological condition for being unable to form attachments to buildings and/or trees. Then again, I think part of it is I just figured they'd rebuild it off camera like when the town got eaten by parasprites, and by the time she got her new shiny house I was used to it being gone.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:23 am

I don't know how they'd do a Pony version of it, but one idea would be a holodeck type of thing to simulate the old library, and maybe have a tree sprouting on the site of the old one. :allears:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:45 am

Bremen wrote:I actually didn't even blink when the tree got blown up, other then thinking "Ok, Twilight is going to be mad." When I saw the big fan reaction, I honestly started to wonder if there was something wrong or deviant with my (total lack of) reaction :pinkieshrug:.

Maybe there's a psychological condition for being unable to form attachments to buildings and/or trees. Then again, I think part of it is I just figured they'd rebuild it off camera like when the town got eaten by parasprites, and by the time she got her new shiny house I was used to it being gone.


I don't find myself reacting much to it in and of itself, but all you gotta do is show me a montage of all the wonderful moments we've experienced in that library over the past four years set to some appropriately wistful music and I'll be a wreck.
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Postby Stargazer (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:16 am

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I don't find myself reacting much to it in and of itself, but all you gotta do is show me a montage of all the wonderful moments we've experienced in that library over the past four years set to some appropriately wistful music and I'll be a wreck.

This, precisely this. I read a moving fanfic about Twilight dealing with the aftermath of not having her treehouse any longer and I went from :pinkieshrug: to :deflated: in ten minutes. It would be good to do an episode on it.

Also, losing property to destruction is usually really hard, if you've built a lot of memories in it. It's a home, you know? Not the same on a pony show, of course, but I understand where the fan reaction is coming from.

I'm hoping for an ep that acknowledges Twilight's immortality and therefore the very blatant mortality of her friends, and maybe they could tie that in with the treehouse thing. I don't know if it would be 2grimdark4pone, though. They seem to have gone to some fairly sad places for the sake of realism over the show's history, but... I dunno.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:28 am

I...highly doubt they'll do that mortality episode. It seems like it's way too heavy stuff to be in the show...
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