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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:08 pm

Additionally, Netflix is getting S5 on 7/30. The speculation is the first half the season will be available then, but notably 512 and 513 have not shown up on zap2it yet, so I dunno on that.

(I'm not surprised 7/4 will be a week off, but I thought 7/11 in the heat of SDCC things would resume...)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:40 pm

Wait, what? There's ging to be more breaks? :gonkity:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:42 pm

I guess Hasbro and Discovery have seen how successful Gravity Falls has been despite its inconsistent schedule, so perhaps they want a piece of that action. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:46 pm

Seriously, is there really going to be another two week break?! That just completely sucks. :unenthused:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:15 pm

That means the ponyless year will be 2 weeks shorter, isn't that great? :party:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:18 pm

What do you mean ponyless year? They confirmed S6 a while back.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 pm

Well, yeah, if there was no season 6, it'd be the ponyless eternity.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:37 pm

Eh, until the eventual reboot came around. :v:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:55 pm

Nothing's confirmed, but we have no synopses beyond this Saturday. And 7/4 is obviously a big holiday here.
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Postby Lorce (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:27 pm

Uhh, i forget, was it ever specifically said whether the show will run through the summer? With the late start i think there was always a possibilty of summer hiatus... :-I
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:36 pm

I think episodes will continue to be sparsely put out, based on a couple spoilers
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:11 am

Wayoshi wrote: but I thought 7/11 in the heat of SDCC things would resume...)


Why? If anything, it would make sense for a SDCC break as everyone is busy there, and there would probably even be an MLP panel with a chunk of people involved.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:20 am

I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of kids who aren't going to be at SDCC. Plenty of our fandom won't be able to go there, either. As for FiM's writers and producers, they don't particularly need to not be busy at a con in order for an already complete episode to air.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:39 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of kids who aren't going to be at SDCC. Plenty of our fandom won't be able to go there, either. As for FiM's writers and producers, they don't particularly need to not be busy at a con in order for an already complete episode to air.


Well, I wasn't talking about the kids, or any fans at the con. I'm talking about the show's staff and such. Hasbro is always very busy at SDCC. But do we know if the episodes are even already complete? If they were, there wouldn't be the need for a break, would there? I mean, it's not like South Park where they only have 6 days, but being a flash cartoon I imagine the production schedule isn't amazingly large, after having all the storyboards and voice acting done.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:08 am

I don't know about Ponies specifically, but lately it's becoming a trend for networks to hold onto a season's worth of cartoons (or at least half a season) on the shelf until they decide to air them. Nickelodeon, for example, tends to hold off airing new SpongeBob until an entire season's worth is done. Any new episodes that airs were likely finished months before airdate. And I think much of the Gravity Falls episodes are done, but Disney's slow at releasing them for some reason.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:40 am

Bakertoons wrote:I don't know about Ponies specifically, but lately it's becoming a trend for networks to hold onto a season's worth of cartoons (or at least half a season) on the shelf until they decide to air them. Nickelodeon, for example, tends to hold off airing new SpongeBob until an entire season's worth is done. Any new episodes that airs were likely finished months before airdate. And I think much of the Gravity Falls episodes are done, but Disney's slow at releasing them for some reason.


That may be the case for typical cartoons, but that can't be the case with MLP as it's dependent on Hasbro's toyline, so it's a bit more difficult for a 22 minute toy commercial to hold on to a whole season, when the toy company doesn't have the prototypes of whatever the theme would be for that season. So that would probably skew things.

Also, the release schedule could be dependent on other factors, such as toys coming out and Equestria Girls, Hasbro really tends to like that stuff lining up. If the big finale involves some big theme set, and Hasbro could tell them to hold it off until they're ready with the set.

At least, those are the factors I know.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:02 am

I get why they're doing it but it is kinda annoying after such a long wait for the season, you know?
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:52 am

Yeah I was a bit concerned that we hadn't seen any new synopsis' too. Hopefully the gap will only be 2 or 3 weeks at the most, if it was only 1 week I think we'd have the next synopsis by now.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:15 pm

Since S6 has already been confirmed then I figured that most of S5 was already complete, with the background scores and maybe some of the animation in the later episodes still left to be done. Given that S4 ran with only a single week off, unless things have seriously changed (which is possible, seeing as folks are getting things ready for the 2017 movie as well), we know that the people making the show are capable of making it at such a schedule.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:42 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Since S6 has already been confirmed then I figured that most of S5 was already complete, with the background scores and maybe some of the animation in the later episodes still left to be done. Given that S4 ran with only a single week off, unless things have seriously changed (which is possible, seeing as folks are getting things ready for the 2017 movie as well), we know that the people making the show are capable of making it at such a schedule.


We also don't know who exactly is and isn't involved with the movie. While some VAs might be, animators could be different.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:07 am

FiM's production schedule is like, really elongated.

If I remember right, all S5's scripts locked like, well over a year and some ago, and the voice recording I want to say started around January of 2014.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:09 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
We also don't know who exactly is and isn't involved with the movie. While some VAs might be, animators could be different.

While it's true that they'll have a totally separate team on staff to work on the movie, DHX is still confirmed for that role, as per the leaked emails and open job positions. No question about it anymore, really. Doubt it's going to affect the show's production though, since season 6 should also be soon moving to DHX for storyboarding and design, if it hasn't already.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:13 pm

Ruflux wrote:While it's true that they'll have a totally separate team on staff to work on the movie, DHX is still confirmed for that role, as per the leaked emails and open job positions. No question about it anymore, really. Doubt it's going to affect the show's production though, since season 6 should also be soon moving to DHX for storyboarding and design, if it hasn't already.


I don't know if it's because I didn't see it first hand when it was discovered, or because I have dealt with it with Transformers before (My favorite leak is Michael Bay confirms Dinobots for Transformers 2) but I think there's too much being put into these "leaked emails" around here than they're probably worth. I mean, especially with a fandom like this, you really think someone wouldn't want to go out and bait with this, just like any other fandom desperate for rumors about things? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:30 pm

These aren't some leaked Hasbro emails of dubious factuality though.

They're verified Sony emails from the big hacking of Sony's corporate systems last year, available on Wikileaks. They're 100% real, there's no question about it. Plans may sometimes change, however we do know for sure that as of late 2014, slightly before the movie was announced, Hasbro had settled into a distribution deal with Sony, who were well aware that Hasbro will be using a "small studio in Vancouver" to do the production with.

There's no faith to be put into anything, because it's all factually correct information, at least at the time. Combined with the job postings on DHX Media Vancouver's site, and it looks like said information still holds true.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:47 pm

Ruflux wrote:These aren't some leaked Hasbro emails of dubious factuality though.

They're verified Sony emails from the big hacking of Sony's corporate systems last year, available on Wikileaks. They're 100% real, there's no question about it. Plans may sometimes change, however we do know for sure that as of late 2014, slightly before the movie was announced, Hasbro had settled into a distribution deal with Sony, who were well aware that Hasbro will be using a "small studio in Vancouver" to do the production with.

There's no faith to be put into anything, because it's all factually correct information, at least at the time. Combined with the job postings on DHX Media Vancouver's site, and it looks like said information still holds true.


Wait, they came from that? Okay, then that clears up a little bit. But didn't Sony say they weren't doing it?
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:53 pm

Here's basically how it went: Hasbro approached Sony with the idea of co-producing the movie. They have a discussion on it. Meghan does a first draft, Hasbro approves, sends to Sony. Sony act like a bunch of clueless morons, both about the franchise and its appeal and fanbase, and about the contents of the draft itself. Hasbro decides they've made a huge mistake.

A while later, Hasbro has gotten Joe Ballarini (who has worked with Sony in the past) to rework the script with Meghan, and they've decided to produce it themselves, under the Allspark Pictures brand. They plan to use DHX Media for the animation, as with the show, just with higher production values and better animation software (Harmony). They approach Sony again, this time for a simple distribution deal for the movie, where Sony has no creative say whatsoever.

And then the latest emails seem to indicate that's what they went with. Hasbro funds it and produces it in-house, Sony distributes. I don't think Sony's commented on this publicly so we don't know yet if they went through with it. Speculation indicates that Ballarini was specifically chosen to get the distribution deal locked with Sony, since they trust him and he's enough of a writer that Sony can feel confident about distributing.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:56 pm

Ruflux wrote:Here's basically how it went: Hasbro approached Sony with the idea of co-producing the movie. They have a discussion on it. Meghan does a first draft, Hasbro approves, sends to Sony. Sony act like a bunch of clueless morons, both about the franchise and its appeal and fanbase, and about the contents of the draft itself. Hasbro decides they've made a huge mistake.

A while later, Hasbro has gotten Joe Ballarini (who has worked with Sony in the past) to rework the script with Meghan, and they've decided to produce it themselves, under the Allspark Pictures brand. They plan to use DHX Media for the animation, as with the show, just with higher production values and better animation software (Harmony). They approach Sony again, this time for a simple distribution deal for the movie, where Sony has no creative say whatsoever.

And then the latest emails seem to indicate that's what they went with. Hasbro funds it and produces it in-house, Sony distributes. I don't think Sony's commented on this publicly so we don't know yet if they went through with it. Speculation indicates that Ballarini was specifically chosen to get the distribution deal locked with Sony, since they trust him and he's enough of a writer that Sony can feel confident about distributing.


Thank you very much, that does clarify a couple things. I appreciate that.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:07 am

Yeah, it can get a little confusing to follow. Especially since the leaked emails are often in a format of reply chains after reply chains after reply chains, and also branching to different reply chains. :v: Plus also then there's the matter of piecing it all together and figuring out what was actually decided. It helps to be able to actually read them, but the fact is, unless the movie ends up being a total rewrite, you're likely going to be spoiling many key plot points doing that.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:55 pm

Recap of Seasons 4 & 5:

The Elements made a tree which made a box which made a rainbow which made a castle which made a map.

Additionally, a rubber chicken made a key. This was a crucial subplot.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:11 am

Did the elements make the tree, or did the tree originally make the elements? I take it it's the latter, as the elements were returned back to the tree.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:58 pm

The tree made the elements originally (I think), but then the tree got wrecked because Discord made some seeds which made some vines, so they had to make the tree again.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:01 pm

I like how the more lore they add to the show, the smaller the world gets.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:20 pm

In that regard, it seems like Meghan and the gang are trying to expand things again. Consider how we finally got to see the homeland of the griffons earlier this season and how we're now about to meet a civilization of yaks in tomorrow's episode.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:54 pm

Especially with the map. I think we'll see a lot more different places because of that little device.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:56 pm

Yeah. I used "like" to mean "don't like"; and I'd like to think Meghan and co. are as uneasy about such developments as I am.

To some extent it's a necessary part of developing any universe, and this show has done an uncommonly good job of keeping things open-ended and mysterious for a long-ass time. But they can't keep it up forever, not being thrown endless curveballs of surprise extra seasons and toy mandates out of the blue. In fact I doubt many shows have had quite this degree of challenge to their creative coherence from external forces. Many shows with far more freedom to preserve their integrity have done a far worse job of it. But these guys aren't superhuman.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:12 pm

Headless Horse wrote:But they can't keep it up forever, not being thrown endless curveballs of surprise extra seasons and toy mandates out of the blue. .


I'm not sure what you're saying here, the extra seasons aren't really much of a surprise at this point, maybe with S3, but at this point they should know better. And toy mandates out of the blue, I think that's a bit unfair to say and making poor writing feel like Hasbro's fault. As Hasbro takes about a year in a half to make a toy series, they must be able to tell them that early on, or as soon as they're starting to work on the story. If anything, I imagine Hasbro probably hands them the prompt to work around. I just think "toy mandate" is being used in some cases as a scapegoat for when they can't write. Yes, there are toy mandates, but keep in mind it's a 22-minute toy commercial. To not expect them is ridiculous.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:41 pm

Right, but even with like a year's worth of lead time it's still kind of a crap shoot. They can say "Hokay, so we need to come up with a new post-Friendship-Empire storyline that carries us through to the new Rainbow Butterflies toy campaign theme", and they can write a blisteringly awesome S7 or whatever it is that ends up with Twilight ascending to leadership of all Equestria or something, because for god's sake we've got to be done with the property this time, wrap it up people—but then just as they're completing storyboards and patting each other on the back they're handed a new directive to come up with yet another way to carry the story beyond the final sunset that they'd written for the current season.

What I'm saying is, I'm excited to see how they're handling stuff like "Okay so you know how you wrote Alicorn Twilight as this awesome end to the series? Well, guess what, it wasn't the end of anything, take another lap". Most shows don't face that kind of situation, and those that do seldom handle it as smoothly as even this show (which didn't do a perfect job of it) has. But the more they keep sprinting for the finish line only to get surprise TIME EXTENSION powerups, the less convincingly they're going to be able to keep coming up with good ways to extend it that don't feel transparently like they were never part of the original plan.

I'm not saying this to be a naysayer or whatever; I'm still as interested to see how they handle it as I ever have been, and especially if we get to see Meghan and the team learn from their experiences and come out of this as a battle-hardened platoon of the world's most grizzled, jaded cartoon writers who can take on any challenge and laugh. But it'll be tricky getting there, and I'm glad I'm just an observer and not the poor schlub who actually has to make it work.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:16 am

:sweetielarm: False Alarm

:-I How about them ponies?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:50 am

In an odd twist, DF has seemed to just change their schedule suddenly and there is a new episode for at least next week.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:13 am

The Doctor wrote::sweetielarm: False Alarm

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