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Postby Stone Cold Jane Austen (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:54 pm

Where this gets complicated, though, are the dozens of "third-party" unlicensed Transformer toys that get released every year now. We have a situation where companies can release this:

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Mastermind Creations/Ocular Max "Sphinx"

Or these:

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Badcube "Evil Bug Corps"

Which are clearly based off of older G1 designs:

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G1 Mirage

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G1 Insecticons (from animation art)

And unlike the mounds of pony music remixes, or people selling plushes on Etsy or DA, these are mass-produced (albeit in numbers ranging in the thousands to low tens of thousands, not exactly the scales Hasbro deals in with merch). These companies are largely based in China, so it's obviously going to be harder for Hasbro to pursue legal action against them then against a bunch of Western fans making a fighting game based on their property. But it has been going on for five years now, and the toys are finally approaching or even exceeding official quality in a few cases (they should be, for the outlandish high 2-figure and 3-figure prices they command).

I have to think that Hasbro has to be even more vigilant with things like streaming sites or fan games now, because the mass proliferation of unlicensed toys could cause them serious legal problems otherwise. They can't go after some sketchy company hiding in Asia, but they can go after North American or European fans no problem.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:55 am

Andew Ryan's Fursona wrote:The story I heard about Fighting Is Magic was that the game itself was entered in a game dev contest with a cash prize, thus bumping it into the category of "for-profit" and meaning they had to treat it as a bootleg product rather than a fan project. If that's true, it's an even bigger shame than we thought because it meant they could have gone all the way if it hadn't been for one mistake.

I don't remember hearing anything about that at all. The only thing monetarily related to FightIM that I recall was the EVO charity drive.

*goes off to internet researchland*
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Postby Baron Porkface (?) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:12 am

What is the longest running Hasbro series?
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:26 am

Baron Porkface wrote:What is the longest running Hasbro series?

Oddly enough, it's FiM.

The previous record was the original "Transformers" show, which ran 1984 to 1987 for 98 episodes. FiM beat that in both the number of years and the number of episodes.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:47 am

Love the new map. So many changes (especially towards the top) and some nice little touches, like the addition of "undiscovered this" or "mysterious that" that help make the word seem big and exciting.


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:49 am

That map has been around since the end of S2 and there's still places that haven't been visited. I wouldn't be surprised if the show never visits even half of them.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:20 am

Apparently the people of Washington state likes to dress up as MLP characters :v:

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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:21 am

Mr. Big wrote:Apparently the people of Washington state likes to dress up as MLP characters :v:

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Surprise! Texas is the fucking worst. :twasnothin:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:33 am

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Surprise! Texas is the fucking worst. :twasnothin:


:lol: Terrible as Texas is, I don't know if you people from Illinois have any right to say anything.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:09 am

But wait... they left one blank by accident...

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:03 pm

They're all dressing up as crystal gems
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:22 pm

The Doctor wrote:
:lol: Terrible as Texas is, I don't know if you people from Illinois have any right to say anything.


Yeah pumpkin shaming is right up there with transphobia :roll:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:23 pm

So Indiana is mostly looking for Fluttershy costumes? :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:33 pm

If that's composited from searches from the past 11 years then I'd certainly like to know how much My Little Pony appeared in costume searches during 2004-2010, back when MLP was still in generation 3/3.5. (Even though FiM began in 2010, by Halloween that year The Ticket Master was still the newest episode, so I doubt there would've been quite that much of a popularity bump yet.)
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:43 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:If that's composited from searches from the past 11 years then I'd certainly like to know how much My Little Pony appeared in costume searches during 2004-2010, back when MLP was still in generation 3/3.5. (Even though FiM began in 2010, by Halloween that year The Ticket Master was still the newest episode, so I doubt there would've been quite that much of a popularity bump yet.)

It's not the most popular costume searches. It's the state that searches for that specific costume more than any other state.

Also, the slutty pumpkin is a How I Met Your Mother reference.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:49 pm

Oh, yeah, I'm well aware of what that map was tracking. I just thought that if the people of Washington state thought MLP interesting enough for them to stand above the other states in that regard, then how much of that popularity comes from this generation vs. G3? Or, in general, how popular was G3 Halloween merchandise vs. any pony merchandise now? Halloween is a big time for kid-related spending, especially for brands with a strong media presence such as MLP has, so a measure of consumer interest in MLP Halloween costumes would be an interesting look at how popular it is now vs. in the past.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:23 am

Mr. Big wrote:Apparently the people of Washington state likes to dress up as MLP characters :v:

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I don't know why, but "slutty pumpkin" cracks me up.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:14 pm

rudecyrus wrote:I don't know why, but "slutty pumpkin" cracks me up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slutty_Pumpkin
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:42 pm

I'm a fan of "costume ideas" :v:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:14 am

:geno: "I like of Arkansas."
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:15 am

That's really a crappy map, though. Note the title :
'Costumes each state Googles more than any other state'

So in other words, no costume can ever show up more than once, and the reason we have a ton of 'nones' is because lets say Oregon is googling 'Elmo', but more people Google than in California, Elmo ain't showing up at all because technically Oregon isn't on top.

More useful would be 'Most Googled costume', but this one is clickbait-ey.

Washington may well be gaining extra hits from EFNW, but who knows?
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:24 am

What is all those 'nones' are pony searches? :gotcha:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:02 am

*DING-DONG*

:excite: :"Oh my gosh! The first trick or treaters! Spike, get the door!"

:yikes: :"Uhhh...."

:shock: :"My, what an ... Interesting costume."

:tom: :"Just put the candy on top of me and I'll be on my way."
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:53 pm

The live-action Jem movie bombed in the box office. Hard

I hope this won't negatively affect the upcoming Pony movie :ohdear:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:03 am

...Jem has the third worst opening weekend ever for a first-run movie debuting in more than 2,000 theaters. And the two films that performed worse were both aimed at child audiences and released by independent distributors.

Yikes.

I doubt it'll hurt the 2017 movie. FiM already has a huge fanbase (if it didn't, then EqG wouldn't have happened as it did), whereas this movie was a crappy and lackluster revival of Jem. If, back in 2010, Hasbro had tried to revive MLP with a movie first, and that movie had a story and characters only vaguely related to MLP in the past (like, imagine if EqG made up the entirety of G4 MLP), then I think we would've seen a similar blowout. Hell, it's not like TV series can't be started with a theatrical movie; look at Jimmy Neutron, for instance.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:11 am

I do wonder what expectations Hasbro has for the MLP film. I can't imagine it has much chance of reaching a much wider audience than the show already does.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:45 am

From everything I saw, the Jem movie looked incredibly low-effort, so I'm honestly not surprised it tanked.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:25 am

Let us never forget that this whole enterprise started because Michael Bay made an awful movie that make a buttload of money. It could take a long time and a lot of crushing failures before they unlearn what that taught them.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:07 pm

From a percentage point of view it didn't bomb THAT bad. Director says they had a $5m budget.

"Pan" Bombed hard.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:31 pm

$5m? The Jem cartoon was full of fantastical elements, right? $5m means next to no special effects.

How much does it take to get a movie out to 2000+ screens? Ads for this thing are probably several times the cost of production.

I guess it's more disappointing that this was supposed to be the thing that really kicks off the next generation of the old franchise. I don't know what else they have planned, but a large flop kinda means they can't find an audience.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:22 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:$5m? The Jem cartoon was full of fantastical elements, right? $5m means next to no special effects.

It wasn't a special effects kind of movie (at least, judging from the trailers).



I don't really know how they could modernize "pop star with craaaaazy special effects" these days, but neither did the team making this movie. They could do worse than just a typical rags-to-riches "you could be a star" movie, but those are a dime a dozen. Transformers stood out because of million-dollar CGI explosions. MLP brought a different kind of emotional character development to children's cartoons. Jem... there's just nothing truly outrageous, which is what they would need to reboot that brand.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:11 pm

From what I gather from reports is that it didn't stay true to the original story. They changed everything the original fans liked about the series and changed Jem to the point where new fans weren't interested in the character. Basically it was a tween movie not aimed at anyone.

They seemed to have also lied to the fans who supported the movie as well. They told fans they would cast the fans to be in the movie and use their creative ideas in the film. Instead they used all the YouTube videos they submitted and edited them to make it look like they were inspired by the character of this new movie they never saw before.

I imagine it would be like if they made a pony movie in real life with CGI characters that where stripped of their personalities and reduced catch phrases they never said in the series and where forced to help the human protagonist solve a romance problem before they could return to their own world before the next full moon.

I can imagine that would make a lot of fans mad.

$5 million seems kind of low for a movie budget but it is still surprisingly more then the budget for a season of ponies and look at all the feels we can get out of that.

Just curious, does anyone know what the budget for the pony movie will be?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:16 pm

Soft Snow wrote:Just curious, does anyone know what the budget for the pony movie will be?

Unless it's buried in their investor reports, I don't see any budget details for the pony movie or any of the Equestria Girls films.
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Postby BurningBright (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:44 pm

As someone who enjoyed the original Jem series as a little girl, I can't imagine sitting through a movie of it now. You can't just shit out a nostalgic property and expect 20-30 somethings to pay through the nose for it just because nostalgia. FiM didn't get to be as popular as it did with all ages because "hey, I remember those from the 80s!"

It sounds like there was no effort to really give Jem any soul, or people too young for the 80s any reason to enjoy the franchise. Just a brick shat out as a blatant nostalgic cash in.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:37 pm

Ads for this thing are probably several times the cost of production.


That's just it - there aren't any ads. Many reactions to the film I'm seeing include people surprised the movie even came out already. Mostly because when Hasbro's media infrastructure collapsed in on itself sometime last year, they pretty much didn't say a word about the Jem film even existing bar the occasional investor report or something.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:44 pm

After watching a review for the movie it seems that it really didn't have any holograms in it. Just a small robot that projected home movies. It seems like they left out main premise of the show. That being using holograms to change their outfits and what not. That must be like having a transformer movie where the cars never turn into robots. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:42 am

Soft Snow wrote:After watching a review for the movie it seems that it really didn't have any holograms in it. Just a small robot that projected home movies. It seems like they left out main premise of the show. That being using holograms to change their outfits and what not. That must be like having a transformer movie where the cars never turn into robots. :fluttersmith:

Well, the Bayformers movies had the Transformers themselves be pretty much complete mechanical messes visually, but those movies somehow sold well despite being less than good in that and several other aspects. :-I The difference between Transformers and Jem, however, is that Transformers still maintained a degree of cultural relevance between the 1980s and when Michael Bay got his hands on the rights to those movies, so they could survive more messing around from the director than Jem could.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:05 am

Kronos wrote:
That's just it - there aren't any ads. Many reactions to the film I'm seeing include people surprised the movie even came out already. Mostly because when Hasbro's media infrastructure collapsed in on itself sometime last year, they pretty much didn't say a word about the Jem film even existing bar the occasional investor report or something.

I seen poster of it on one of those moving poster screens in the movie theater. But ironically enough if was the only poster that didn't move despite the moving being about holograms. :pinkieshrug:

I did also remember seeing a 10 second trailer for the movie that was just it's title.

Fizzbuzz wrote:The difference between Transformers and Jem, however, is that Transformers still maintained a degree of cultural relevance between the 1980s and when Michael Bay got his hands on the rights to those movies, so they could survive more messing around from the director than Jem could.

That is true, in the 80s the music was about rock because it was popular. Now the popular music seems to be either soft or alternative rock. But that doesn't excuse them from removing their origin story or super powers from the movie. The director was the guy who did both Justin Bieber documentaries and was trying to go with the 'one video from YouTube to super stardom over night' feel, from rags to riches vibes, instead of the actual story from the show.

A bit of me feels like it was meant to fail. $5 million is a rather small budget for a Hasbro movie. It is almost like the idea of a live action movie with a female protagonist is something they think viewers wouldn't be interested in seeing and thus put little effort into making. :ponder:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:40 am

The other difference is the first Bayformers movie is an enjoyable popcorn flick. Yea, it has its corny moments, but there's an actual story there, the characters aren't in your face obnoxious, and while it does go for some low-hanging fruit overall it stays mostly away from the juvenile stupidity-humor.

Then starting with the second one they forgot all the heart and just went for racist robots and giant explosions, and it's kinda gone downhill from there.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:05 am

Box Office Mojo says Jem's opening-weekend take is the single worst of any film ever to open in over 2,400 screens, and the fourth worst of any that's opened in at least 2,000 (#1 on the latter list, for the record, is Oogieloves). That's... impressive.
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