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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:53 pm

Besides, it would have made the entire key thing pretty pointless if it didn't actually come into play in the season. Sort of like the GP Ball in Pokémon, the arc would have been unresovled.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:44 pm

Sobana wrote:But how would Equestria Games resolve the "what happens next" feeling that tirek left? If it ended that way it would feel like we got cheated. Like "you are not going to acknowledge what happened are you?" feeling if life is just going on like normal in the next episode.

I think she meant that Equestria Games would've made for a good season finale instead of what happened with Twilight's Kingdom. I'm not so sure I agree, since I think Twilight's Kingdom actually made Twilight's new status feel worthwhile and made me look forward to what would happen with her in S5. However if Equestria Games had been the finale then while it definitely would've been a great feel-good story (in the same vein as The Best Night Ever), I'd probably be left wondering where the show was going to go from there, as well as somewhat disappointed in S4 for never fully following through on Twilight becoming a princess.
ROBOT B9 wrote:Besides, it would have made the entire key thing pretty pointless if it didn't actually come into play in the season. Sort of like the GP Ball in Pokémon, the arc would have been unresovled.

There's this, too. They'd have to do something else with the keys or scrap that whole thing entirely, and as much as I might've complained about the individual key episodes getting a bit stale with their story structure, I still really liked the concept behind them.

(Did the Spanish dub translate that differently? Here and in Japan it was the GS Ball, but knowing how 4kids often fucked with our dub of the show, I wouldn't put it past whoever did the Spanish dub to pointlessly change that letter.)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:12 pm

Doy, it was GS Ball. Silly memory got it wrong. :facehoof:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:23 pm

I would have really liked to the the Equestrian Games spread out over 2 or 3 episodes. Not that the Spike story should have been longer, but with all the build up to the games, do more with them. Use the location change and do a few different stories all set during the games.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:39 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Besides, it would have made the entire key thing pretty pointless if it didn't actually come into play in the season. Sort of like the GP Ball in Pokémon, the arc would have been unresovled.


What I'm saying is in hindsight, the Equestria Games would have made for a better finale and the key thing (with the exception of 2 generated mostly lousy episodes,) should have been abandoned altogether. Besides, Manehattan and Pride are only linked because of the colors, remove those and you have a normal episode.
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Postby synthorange (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:56 pm

Back from spendin time with family. Entertaining 4 year old girls is easy when you can draw ponies. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:01 pm

Welcome back, synthorange! :yay:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:33 am

Happy new years, everypony! =D

I have this tradition were each year I hang up a new pony calendar while leaving the old one still up where it is at. Now with four calendars on my wall I'm starting to lose space... part of me kinda hopes they stop making them so I can stop buying them to hang on my wall... :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:52 am

Ha, that's a neat tradition. How do the calender pictures look?
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:27 am

The 2012 one just has the standard season one vectors you find on everything. It gets a little better every year after that. More unique poses. I can't imagine they would use the same pictures for each one. 2015 one uses some of the older pictures but they try to pretend it's different by covering half of it with cheesy cartoon effects. The cartoon style somewhat reminds me of the cartoons they put on cheap generic school supplies back in the day. :eyebrow:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:59 am

I didn't even know they made calendars for that. Sounds like they look interesting
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:27 pm

Sobana wrote:The 2012 one just has the standard season one vectors you find on everything. It gets a little better every year after that. More unique poses. I can't imagine they would use the same pictures for each one. 2015 one uses some of the older pictures but they try to pretend it's different by covering half of it with cheesy cartoon effects. The cartoon style somewhat reminds me of the cartoons they put on cheap generic school supplies back in the day. :eyebrow:

Pretty sure they still use the same cheap effects today as they did back then. All these fancy new tools, still unused.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:34 pm

Maybe Hasbro has a deal with these companies to use those vectors. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:07 pm

It's actually just because the vectors are cheap to use, and it would cost too much to make more. Just like only having a cutie mark on one side.
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Postby haywire (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:26 pm


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:28 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:It's actually just because the vectors are cheap to use, and it would cost too much to make more. Just like only having a cutie mark on one side.
Still, you would think that Hasbro would want to have companies stop using the particularly not-good ones. While FiM has not had much visual change since the beginning of the series, a few of the early vectors (the ones based off of Lauren Faust's initial pitch bible sketches and first character designs) look rather strange compared to official art today. Making the merchandise look bad isn't exactly a good thing, but I suppose that either they don't care about it or they don't care enough to justify the cost of piecing together some new ones from the show. And I think that would be a small cost, since Hasbro surely has access to the assets used by the show, but no one knows for sure.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:09 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Still, you would think that Hasbro would want to have companies stop using the particularly not-good ones. While FiM has not had much visual change since the beginning of the series, a few of the early vectors (the ones based off of Lauren Faust's initial pitch bible sketches and first character designs) look rather strange compared to official art today. Making the merchandise look bad isn't exactly a good thing, but I suppose that either they don't care about it or they don't care enough to justify the cost of piecing together some new ones from the show. And I think that would be a small cost, since Hasbro surely has access to the assets used by the show, but no one knows for sure.


The issue is, Hasbro doesn't want to spend money they don't have to as plastic prices are going up. And I would suppose the case is as they aren't directly involved in the profits of these companies using the vectors, it's their responsibility to sell them.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:49 am

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The issue is, Hasbro doesn't want to spend money they don't have to as plastic prices are going up. And I would suppose the case is as they aren't directly involved in the profits of these companies using the vectors, it's their responsibility to sell them.

I get that but it will cost like what a couple hundred to pay an artist to make new designs for everything to boost profits across the board. It feels like they are pumping out the cheap stuff while demand is high and then switch to high gear stuff once people lose interest. :-/
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:53 am

Sobana wrote:I get that but it will cost like what a couple hundred to pay an artist to make new designs for everything to boost profits across the board. It feels like they are pumping out the cheap stuff while demand is high and then switch to high gear stuff once people lose interest. :-/


That's not true, there are lots of hidden costs beyond paying the artist. Nothing being "pumped out" as cheap stuff, and Hasbro toy quality is improving in dolls. All I was saying is they are trying to save money because plastic prices are going up. So no, it's not about being cheap.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:05 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
That's not true, there are lots of hidden costs beyond paying the artist. Nothing being "pumped out" as cheap stuff, and Hasbro toy quality is improving in dolls. All I was saying is they are trying to save money because plastic prices are going up. So no, it's not about being cheap.

Strike me if I'm wrong but refusing to pay to save money sounds like being cheap to me. :geno:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:14 am

Sobana wrote:Strike me if I'm wrong but refusing to pay to save money sounds like being cheap to me. :geno:


You don't seem to be noticing the big issue I mentioned. It's not being cheap. There is a legitimate issue as to why Hasbro needs to save money, and that is the increasing plastic costs. Hasbro spending money in other unnecessary divisions would mean spending less money on plastics, the thing they need most. And I don't think they're willing to cut back on plastics so another company can have nicer artwork of them so that company can sell off of their product.

The definition of cheap includes being stingy. Hasbro is not being stingy.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:26 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:Maybe Hasbro has a deal with these companies to use those vectors. :pinkieshrug:


I do wonder if it's some legal thing. Like maybe they can't use art from the show directly in marketing, because then they'd have to pay the show artists or something. Kind of like how Hasbro owns the G1 ponies, but can't use many of them in the show.

Sobana wrote:Happy new years, everypony! =D

I have this tradition were each year I hang up a new pony calendar while leaving the old one still up where it is at. Now with four calendars on my wall I'm starting to lose space... part of me kinda hopes they stop making them so I can stop buying them to hang on my wall... :-I


They really do need new vectors.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LS1 ... _i=desktop

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:ponder: I kind of want this calendar.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:32 am

The Doctor wrote:
I do wonder if it's some legal thing. Like maybe they can't use art from the show directly in marketing, because then they'd have to pay the show artists or something. Kind of like how Hasbro owns the G1 ponies, but can't use many of them in the show.



No, because Hasbro owns everything about the show as it is their studios, and the artists work for them. Like I said, it's really that it just costs a lot of money that they would prefer to spend elsewhere. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:35 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
No, because Hasbro owns everything about the show as it is their studios, and the artists work for them. Like I said, it's really that it just costs a lot of money that they would prefer to spend elsewhere. :pinkieshrug:



Well, that's why I wonder if the art has to originate in a certain department to be used in marketing. Maybe using an asset made by the animation studio in marketing means someone would need to be paid for that.

Licensing is strange sometimes.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:12 am

Even though this is entirely speculation, I have a feeling this is going to be right: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/01/m ... -from.html
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:18 am

I thought that was incredibly obvious at this point that cutie mark magic was going to be the theme even before the website. It's already on the new toys. Just as the rainbow thing, and Crystal Empire. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Throbulator (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:03 am

Season 5 will be cutie pox thunderdome edition.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:11 am

Well, this may cure the "cutie marks on one side" issue, but now we've got cutie marks to cover up to look nice.

Hasbro is not good at balancing things like this.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:50 am

Huh, surprised they'd switch over so soon.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:53 am

The Doctor wrote:
I do wonder if it's some legal thing. Like maybe they can't use art from the show directly in marketing, because then they'd have to pay the show artists or something. Kind of like how Hasbro owns the G1 ponies, but can't use many of them in the show.



They really do need new vectors.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LS1 ... _i=desktop

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:ponder: I kind of want this calendar.

My calendar looks nothing like that. I want that one! Dollar Tree disappoints me again. :fluttersmith:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:27 am

Huh, I never saw that vector being used for Fluttershy before. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:17 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Huh, surprised they'd switch over so soon.

S5 is most likely going to start in March or April. With all six of those teaser trailers out on YouTube, I think they wouuld want to keep building hype.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:24 pm

Oh wow, I literally just realized season 5 isn't actually ages off anymore. Just a few months, probably. It's funny because up until now, my brain basically told me it's going to be at least two years until the next pony episode airs. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:32 pm

If it starts in April, that means we've got three more months of preperation for the new season. Can't believe how fast it went...seems like the S4 finale was yesterday. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:51 pm

Twilight's Kingdom aired seven months ago. Were it not for the comics and PPPP giving us something to do, I might've gone crazy.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:54 pm

No pony and no TV make ROBOT B9 go something something... :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:10 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Huh, surprised they'd switch over so soon.


Rainbow Power toys came out prior to the start of the season for S4.

Marioland1 wrote:Well, this may cure the "cutie marks on one side" issue, but now we've got cutie marks to cover up to look nice.

Hasbro is not good at balancing things like this.


No, it does not, Hasbro is still leaving it on one side. At least with the case for the new big Rarity light up doll.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:26 pm

So here's a thing I have now.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:32 pm

Do a review of it? Pretty please? That looks so adorable. :allears:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:07 pm

:gotcha: Scan it and translate it with dialog of your choice.
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