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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:32 pm



Glad the person was caught. That's terrible.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:58 pm

Sent some good vibes on DA. It's the least we can do, really. What bullshit.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:24 am

So the next season of the "Littlest Pet Shop" is going to be the last, running for four seasons and 104 episodes.

Kind of a weird feeling that Ponies effectively outlived both of its "competitors" (the other being "Pound Puppies", which only had 65 episodes). The comic book version from IDW was even more short-lived, only lasting 5 issues.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:33 am

Huh, I kind of figured LPS would only reach 65 episodes as well. I wonder why Hasbro is sticking a fork in it. Maybe they don't see it as being worthwhile to keep feeding content other than FiM to Discovery Family?
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:38 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Huh, I kind of figured LPS would only reach 65 episodes as well. I wonder why Hasbro is sticking a fork in it. Maybe they don't see it as being worthwhile to keep feeding content other than FiM to Discovery Family?

I'm thinking it's because the toys aren't selling as well as they'd hoped.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:43 am

I'm just guessing here, but what if they are clearing out LPS in order to make room for more pony stuff? Like maybe an Equestria Girls series?
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Postby Applepie (?) » Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:17 am

So the next season of the "Littlest Pet Shop" is going to be the last, running for four seasons and 104 episodes.


Such a shame for LPS and it's toy line.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:21 pm

Season 5 is the last for Sibsy. :fluttersmith:

Here's hoping her next venture is as long lasting as FiM was for her.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:28 pm

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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:38 pm



...Does this mean she's just leaving earlier than expected in S6 production, or are there rumbling of S7 that she just said "no", to? Or perhaps just backing out of being apart of any of the movies in production. :ponder:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:36 pm

As I read it, S6 is in production right now and she left during it in order to go do whatever else it is that she's doing. I'm not getting any kind of vibe as far as a seventh season.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:40 am

Jim Miller doing a mini-Q/A on Twitter.

Says the CMC Cutie Mark Designs were from his team, and that there were a lot of designs they went through. "Lot of masters to please" in his own words.

And it would be Hasbro's call if the design evolution was ever made public.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:42 am

I sure hope it will be, at least in a future art book or something. Pity it ended up having to be a design by committee thing, but then I'm sure the cutie marks of the Mane Six had to go through tons of iterations when Lauren Faust was first making them.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:49 am

I asked him who he would tap to guest write an episode, and his answer was Harlan Ellison.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:04 am

The Doctor wrote:Says the CMC Cutie Mark Designs were from his team, and that there were a lot of designs they went through. "Lot of masters to please" in his own words.

There's no toys currently set though, right? Will be interesting to watch on this.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:41 am

The Doctor wrote:Jim Miller doing a mini-Q/A on Twitter.

Says the CMC Cutie Mark Designs were from his team, and that there were a lot of designs they went through. "Lot of masters to please" in his own words.

And it would be Hasbro's call if the design evolution was ever made public.


Yeah, it'd make sense if they'd been forced to go with those designs by Hasbro.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:28 pm

If Hasbro had straight-up mandated the designs then I imagine they would've ended up like these other potential cutie marks that we've seen a couple times, most recently in November of last year:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:42 am

In that case, I wish Hasbro had forced them :v:

But yeah, I don't know how it all works, I just thought it might be an explanation as to why they went with those designs.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:10 pm

The map was updated in a recent book.

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:09 pm

So... Griffonstone is still in the east, but Arimaspi lives in the far south?

Trottingham is next to the Griffish Isles?

"Bug Bear Territory"? "Tall Tale"?

If that Aztec pyramid is where they met Daring Do, I think we've seen more of the "Mysterious South"/"Frozen North"/"Yonder" than Equestria.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:17 pm

Daring Don't actually took place in the forests north of Vanhoover, going by that red-line-on-a-map travel sequence in that episode. Ahuizotl mentioned wanting to bring about "800 years of heat" if his ritual succeeded, so heating up a boreal forest makes more sense than an already-warm jungle.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:22 am

Love the new map. So many changes (especially towards the top) and some nice little touches, like the addition of "undiscovered this" or "mysterious that" that help make the word seem big and exciting.

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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:40 am

If Griffonstone Station is that far from Griffonstone, it makes me wonder about the scale of that map.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:35 am

Bremen wrote:If Griffonstone Station is that far from Griffonstone, it makes me wonder about the scale of that map.


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So technically I haven't seen that disclaimer on the newest version of the map, but I figure it's fair to assume it still applies.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:45 am

Bremen wrote:If Griffonstone Station is that far from Griffonstone, it makes me wonder about the scale of that map.

Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash did have to walk quite a bit to get to Griffonstone proper, so I'm not particularly surprised by how that looks on the map. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:55 pm

:gotcha: Vanhoover and Las Pegasus ponies are laziest ponies in Equestria. Cant even take a day trip to discover the Undiscovered West.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:32 pm

Ok seriously, why did Hasbro C&D Cinemaquestria?

They're the only site who streamed live episodes in SD anymore :facehoof: I haven't been able to watch an episode live all season. I'm just not sure why they got hit while sites like Bronystate don't :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:10 pm

They were the hot spot at the start of S5, in a way it makes sense, in a way it's like why did Hasbro suddenly pay attention now dude
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:13 pm

CQ was getting really big and established, to the point where Hasbro could no longer quietly ignore it. It's like how Fighting is Magic was allowed to exist even though it was drawing more and more attention, but it finally had to be killed when it nearly showed up at Evo that one year.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:12 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:Ok seriously, why did Hasbro C&D Cinemaquestria?


It's a curious situation we find ourselves in. I'll try to explain it the best as I understand it. Most TV shows make money from commercials. The more people who watch a show the more companies are willing to pay to run their advertising during it. People who stream and pirate shows aren't considered people who watch the show because they don't watch the commercials and thus cut into the shows profits. That is why TV networks are quick to lock down any unauthorized viewing of their show.

FiM is a horse of a different color. Their show is a commercial and they want as many people to see it as possible because it promotes the brand. Hasbro is special in that it wants people to stream and pirate their show because for them it is free advertising and it allows them to show their advertising in other countries while avoiding all the red tape.

But Hasbro can't outright promote people to pirate their show otherwise it will instantly put them on the black list of every TV network out there. Instead they do the next best thing and take no acting in preventing the unauthorized viewing of their show. They are fully aware that their shows are on YouTube is in full length episodes and are accessible through a verity of other methods. The only time Hasbro takes action to prevent something is when it is something they don't want the public to see like deleted scenes. Those get taken down the same day they go up.

As to why Hasbro did a C&D on a live stream is most likely the result of Discovery Family finding out about it. Discovery Family, unlike Hasbro, is still a TV network that makes money from commercials and a live stream would hurt their ratings. But seeing how Hasbro owns the rights to the show, only they can issue a C&D for it. I'm sure both DF and Hasbro stops caring about a stream after the show aired.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:10 am

Episodes of FiM had been readily available on YouTube for years. Hasbro only really started taking them down in earnest after S3 or so; from what I heard, that was because foreign distributors had reservations about picking up the show (or maybe it was for DVDs of the show, I forget) when it was so readily available on YouTube. It is almost certainly in Hasbro's best interests to allow FiM to keep being available on video sites, since it's a great way of reaching kids in families that cut cable or never had cable in the first place, or even just to reach kids who absolutely love the show and want to watch it over and over.

I get the feeling that G5's show will be readily available on YouTube. YouTube is HUGE for kids.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:23 am

The thing is if people watch it live they'll watch ads, if not they'll just pirate it and not watch them at all :v:

But yeah, I understand that site was getting too big for its own good. I'm just surprised they didn't hit the one that's been up for years :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:36 am

Another factor might've been that CQ didn't look super obviously like it was a product of our fandom. That is to say, with its name and site as they were, perhaps Hasbro felt like there was a halfway-decent chance for consumers to think CQ was an official MLP thing. JanAnimations had a similar problem when a bunch of his videos got taken down; since he was so damn good at mimicking the show's style, those shorts with Button Mash could've very well come across as an FiM web series of sorts, so Hasbro had to (as nicely as possible) get rid of them.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:59 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:The thing is if people watch it live they'll watch ads

Yes, but you can't count how many people are watching the stream that way or at best you can only count the one person streaming it. Without the ability to count the people watching it you can't put an accurate price on the ads. That is not good for business.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:32 am

Plus, even if Discovery Family could factor in stream viewers like that, ads in a format like that are not nearly as valuable to advertisers. On cable TV it's possible to target ads to specific cities/regions, whereas if one person in one city is streaming the show for thousands of people around the world, the streamer's ads are getting shown to tons of people who might well not be able to use the advertiser's product or service at all.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:45 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:CQ was getting really big and established, to the point where Hasbro could no longer quietly ignore it. It's like how Fighting is Magic was allowed to exist even though it was drawing more and more attention, but it finally had to be killed when it nearly showed up at Evo that one year.

The story I heard about Fighting Is Magic was that the game itself was entered in a game dev contest with a cash prize, thus bumping it into the category of "for-profit" and meaning they had to treat it as a bootleg product rather than a fan project. If that's true, it's an even bigger shame than we thought because it meant they could have gone all the way if it hadn't been for one mistake.

Also why is everyone talking about Cinemaquestria now? I thought it was shut down like way near the beginning of the season.

Fizzbuzz wrote:Another factor might've been that CQ didn't look super obviously like it was a product of our fandom. That is to say, with its name and site as they were, perhaps Hasbro felt like there was a halfway-decent chance for consumers to think CQ was an official MLP thing. JanAnimations had a similar problem when a bunch of his videos got taken down; since he was so damn good at mimicking the show's style, those shorts with Button Mash could've very well come across as an FiM web series of sorts, so Hasbro had to (as nicely as possible) get rid of them.

This is a shame and a good reason not to allow sites like YouTube to play host to official episodes, to be honest. (Not that I'm defending the Button Mash stuff itself.) Where exactly are people supposed to share their fan projects if everywhere is a place that people could mistake it for something official? Back in season one, the Hub's own website ran full episodes of the show. If, as you suggest, Hasbro decides to make full episodes available worldwide, doing it through their own branded site and keeping people from reupping them onto sites like YouTube would be a far better idea.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:49 am

Andew Ryan's Fursona wrote:The story I heard about Fighting Is Magic was that the game itself was entered in a game dev contest with a cash prize, thus bumping it into the category of "for-profit" and meaning they had to treat it as a bootleg product rather than a fan project. If that's true, it's an even bigger shame than we thought because it meant they could have gone all the way if it hadn't been for one mistake.


These things are rarely black-and-white. Hasbro are not fond at all of things that could be mistaken for a real product (I know that from experience; back in 2012, they were so paranoid that GalaCon wasn't allowed to sell shirts that had ponies on them, at all, not even OCs; they were too scared we could be seen as an official Hasbro event) and the graphics/voice acting in Fighting is Magic were definitely impressively close to the real deal. The money issue certainly made it more pressing, but it's likely a combination of factors that came into play.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:51 am

PaulloDEC wrote:Love the new map. So many changes (especially towards the top) and some nice little touches, like the addition of "undiscovered this" or "mysterious that" that help make the word seem big and exciting.

Comparison with previous version:

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It's neat Luna's got a whole ocean named after her. But they neglected to label what I assume to be Rainbow Falls
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:52 am

Perrydotto wrote:
These things are rarely black-and-white. Hasbro are not fond at all of things that could be mistaken for a real product (I know that from experience; back in 2012, they were so paranoid that GalaCon wasn't allowed to sell shirts that had ponies on them, at all, not even OCs; they were too scared we could be seen as an official Hasbro event) and the graphics/voice acting in Fighting is Magic were definitely impressively close to the real deal. The money issue certainly made it more pressing, but it's likely a combination of factors that came into play.


I am not a lawyer, but IIRC there's something about not being able to maliciously prosecute tradmarks. Say I start making and selling Mickey Mouse dolls, and Disney does nothing, then I get a loan and build a factory to make Mickey Mouse dolls and Disney sues, I can claim they're only stopping me now that I'll be financially hurt since I paid for the factory. If I can show in court that Disney knew I was selling the dolls before and let me do it, giving me the impression they didn't mind, then there's a fair chance I'd be awarded the right to recoup the cost of my factory by selling dolls anyways. If the game was really looking like it might make some money, this might have been relevant since games have development costs. At least enough to make Hasbro's lawyers nervous, since corporate lawyers are not well known for being willing to take risks.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:14 pm

There's also the part where someone else can go 'You let this bootlegger go, why not me?'; so Hasbro doesn't get to pick and choose 'We like this infringement, but not that'. Thus whenever anything gets too 'big', it tends to get hit with the C&D.

Generally, as long as you are operating as an individual (Aka, pretty much all convention vendors), you tend to be left alone; I mean look at Cutie Corral, they have huge inventories at conventions and have been fine for years, because they operate fairly 'quietly', such that Hasbro can semi-plausibly claim ignorance.
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