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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:39 pm

This isn't exactly a spoiler, but for people who've not read the Applejack/Rarity FF comic yet, I'll keep it behind tags.

I just wanted to draw attention to a little gag/character bit from this issue that I found really endearing.

During the initial train ride, we get this little moment from Applejack: http://i.picpar.com/wIbb.jpg It's later followed up with a payoff, where AJ acutally encounters a goat, which she attempts to pet over a high fence. It occurred to me when I read this bit that over 4 seasons, we don't really know much about what Applejack likes. We know about lots of things she doesn't like, but besides the obvious ones, i.e. her family and apples, we don't often get moments where we learn something smaller about her as character. It fits with her character to keep her personal feelings under her hat for the most part (ha, hat), so it's rewarding when something like this appears. Would love to see more moments like this appear in the show.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:42 pm

Every character but Applejack gives us plenty of little moments of insight like that—enough so to make me think that Applejack's relative closed-book presentation is entirely deliberate. Like, if they showed us too much of her internal monologue or her frivolous likes and dislikes, she'd lose a lot of what makes her Applejack.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:50 pm

Gosh, I never really thought of Applejack like that. Outside of apples (as seen in things like the intro to Bats!) we really haven't seen her liking much of anything. Even her craziest moments are usually as a result of someone, usually Rainbow Dash, provoking her into doing those things.
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Postby drunkill (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:54 pm

The "Will they be offended" line is great too, considering goats are sentient in the universe but cannot talk (as far as we know) to ponies.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:03 pm

Maybe they speak a different language? I wonder if that'll ever be addressed within the show itself. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:08 pm

If they have goats talking, I want them to sound like Goat Boy from SNL. :v:
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:40 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Gosh, I never really thought of Applejack like that. Outside of apples (as seen in things like the intro to Bats!) we really haven't seen her liking much of anything. Even her craziest moments are usually as a result of someone, usually Rainbow Dash, provoking her into doing those things.


Perhaps people should read some Three Apples to get some insight on this. :smirk:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:39 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Maybe they speak a different language? I wonder if that'll ever be addressed within the show itself. :pinkieshrug:

Well, there was PYHD which had a couple of goats as Iron Will's assistants. Although they were wearing headsets and ties like Iron Will was, they never really spoke and didn't seem very intelligent.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:43 pm

Huh...then why were they wearing the headsets? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:01 pm

I'll have to rewatch that scene when I'm not in a library, hah, but I always assumed the goats were Iron Will's security and/or stage managers, so that would explain the headsets.

It is odd that we never see them talk or communicate, though, even when Fluttershy's directly interacting with them. I wonder if that's lazy writing, or if it implies that the goats were the storyboarders' idea and were added in after the scripts were finalized. Or maybe they are just dumb as rocks-- but that seems unlikely, given that we've never yet seen an animal in the show that wasn't able to communicate somehow.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:03 pm

I don't think the pigs were able to. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Frith (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:20 pm

In PYHD goats communicate with Iron Will by bleating when Fluttershy refused to pay for him so I think they are intelligent but they don't speak "English".
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:29 pm

Ah...so they do have a language then.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:53 pm

We also know at the very least cows talk, but they're not as civil as ponies, as when they got startled they nearly leveled Ponyville.

Then again, there are even ponies who act more civil than others. Those that always were clothing, and those that rarely do, for example.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:59 pm

Considering that the norm seems to be for ponies to not wear clothing, I kind of wonder if ponies who always wear clothes (beyond accessories like Applejack's and Apple Bloom's headgear) are the slightly crazy ones.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:01 pm

Nah...If that's the case, Pinkie would wear something all the time.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:25 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Considering that the norm seems to be for ponies to not wear clothing, I kind of wonder if ponies who always wear clothes (beyond accessories like Applejack's and Apple Bloom's headgear) are the slightly crazy ones.


IIRC the scenes in Canterlot usually depict all or most ponies wearing clothes. I assume it's a fancy/formal thing.

Edit: Or to put it another way, I guess nude is just their equivalent of casual clothes/jeans and a t-shirt style.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:44 pm

Bremen wrote:
IIRC the scenes in Canterlot usually depict all or most ponies wearing clothes. I assume it's a fancy/formal thing.

A whole lot of ponies in Manehattan wore clothes, too, as well as various new friends (like Cheese Sandwich and Maud Pie) who came to Ponyville. Maybe this is just another example of ponies growing into more human-ish behavior after S1.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:48 pm

I think it's a mix or status & or personality. Manehatten & Canterlot ponies wear cloths to flaunt their statues. Trixie & cheese wear the attire they do because they are performers.

As for Maud she did say she liked to express herself through her wardrobe. XD :gotcha:
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:43 pm

"I'm going to start my own fashion boutique business! It's a dream come true!" :vogue:

"Rarity, you do realize that the vast majority of ponies only wear clothes occasionally - yourself included." :skeptic:

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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:13 am

I'm back! And after having been kicked twice, I have learned...very little.

So, what did I miss...

Fizzbuzz wrote:A whole lot of ponies in Manehattan wore clothes, too, as well as various new friends (like Cheese Sandwich and Maud Pie) who came to Ponyville. Maybe this is just another example of ponies growing into more human-ish behavior after S1.


Might also just be a larger show budget/more familiarity with Flash/both allowing more complex character models than what was achievable in S1. Consider the Chimera's detail as compared to that of S1 monsters; or the fact that Tirek had, like, six distinct character models.

...well, back to whistling.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:46 am

TheNegaverser wrote:"I'm going to start my own fashion boutique business! It's a dream come true!" :vogue:

"Rarity, you do realize that the vast majority of ponies only wear clothes occasionally - yourself included." :skeptic:

:starity:

:starity:

:gonkity:


Yea but that one time the princess comes to town and you gotta put on a fancy hat, she gouges the SHIT out of you.
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:55 am

I'm starting to think that it's the opposite. Most ponies in Equestria do wear clothes; it's Ponyville that's the exception. In every other town we've seen on the show, most ponies are wearing something. In Ponyville, there's who, just Applejack and Big Mac?

We've been watching the adventures of the Equestrian nudist colony this whole time.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:03 am

VoidChicken wrote:I'm starting to think that it's the opposite. Most ponies in Equestria do wear clothes; it's Ponyville that's the exception. In every other town we've seen on the show, most ponies are wearing something. In Ponyville, there's who, just Applejack and Big Mac?

We've been watching the adventures of the Equestrian nudist colony this whole time.



Equestrian Nudist Colony sounds like a reality TV show.

:-/ Celestia, what are all these cameras for?

:gotcha: Nothing my dear Twilight, now just continue acting au naturale.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:09 am

VoidChicken wrote:I'm starting to think that it's the opposite. Most ponies in Equestria do wear clothes; it's Ponyville that's the exception. In every other town we've seen on the show, most ponies are wearing something. In Ponyville, there's who, just Applejack and Big Mac?

We've been watching the adventures of the Equestrian nudist colony this whole time.


Maybe it's an earth pony thing, or rather a not-unicorn thing. I imagine clothes are hard to put on with only hooves. Cities with more unicorns might set a higher bar and eventually the peer pressure causes even the Earth Ponies to wear clothes.

IIRC, Cloudsdale was mostly unclothed except in the factory.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:10 am

Stuck up, racist Unicorns. The nod to G3. :v:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:13 am

kefkafloyd wrote:
Perhaps people should read some Three Apples to get some insight on this. :smirk:


Perhaps Three Apples should get itself back into production and not go on hiatus again ever because it is the best thing and should never end.

(I'm really not mad, but dayum could it have stopped at a worse point? Anyway, here's hoping all's well with Capt. Pea and you guys finish out this thing soon!)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:37 am

Bremen wrote:
Maybe it's an earth pony thing, or rather a not-unicorn thing. I imagine clothes are hard to put on with only hooves. Cities with more unicorns might set a higher bar and eventually the peer pressure causes even the Earth Ponies to wear clothes.

IIRC, Cloudsdale was mostly unclothed except in the factory.

Cloudsdale's situation also inclines me to believe that it might've just been a thing where they had to prioritize their time with developing the base characters and environments instead of spending it on clothes, as RDD said.

In fact, looking back at the very beginning of the pilot and Twilight's flashback in The Cutie Mark Chronicles (i.e. the only big Canterlot scenes before The Best Night Ever, and that doesn't count since everyone was dressed up for the Gala), the Canterlot ponies back then didn't really seem to wear clothes in the same amount that we've seen them in S2 and beyond, so I suppose it is just a case of the show increasing in production time and/or in its degree of anthropomorphization. Probably a little of both, really.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:59 am

TheNegaverser wrote:"I'm going to start my own fashion boutique business! It's a dream come true!" :vogue:

"Rarity, you do realize that the vast majority of ponies only wear clothes occasionally - yourself included." :skeptic:

:starity:

:starity:

:gonkity:


One of my favorite reads on FiMFiction right now notes that how sharp Rarity is....because she does so well running a clothing store in the middle of a nearly clothes-free town, and yet manages to profit fabulously in the process.

And FF #8 certainly reinforces that view, what with her and Applejack. (Not that Rarity the businessmare isn't a rare thing in the comics, mind you.)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:21 am

The Doctor wrote:Stuck up, racist Unicorns. The nod to G3. :v:


Ha, wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that. :v:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:46 am

WandereringPony wrote:
One of my favorite reads on FiMFiction right now notes that how sharp Rarity is....because she does so well running a clothing store in the middle of a nearly clothes-free town, and yet manages to profit fabulously in the process.

And FF #8 certainly reinforces that view, what with her and Applejack. (Not that Rarity the businessmare isn't a rare thing in the comics, mind you.)



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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:04 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Ha, wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that. :v:


Honestly, I'm rather sick of the trend of unicorns being the go-to racists in MLP's fandom. For me, it makes much more sense for the pegasi to be the most casually racist, given that a good portion of them probably live in cloud cities like Cloudsdale, where they could theoretically go their whole lives without ever meeting a member of another tribe of pony. It wouldn't even have to be intentional racism - just the innocent kind that tends to crop up when a group of people live their lives in isolation from another group of people, while still having knowledge of them.

Sunny Breeze: "Did'ya know they don't even wash their food down there?"
Rainbowshine: "Eww! Really?"
Sunny Breeze: "Yup! Just anything that falls off a tree or that they pull out of the ground. Dirt and all."
Rainbowshine: "Ground-pounders are gross!"

Lucky Star: "Why do you think unicorns always tend to live in the cities rather than the country?"
Moon Feather: "Well, duh - they've got a big lightning rod on their heads, don't they? So they spend all their time indoors."

Sirocco: "Wow, Applejack, that was a good race. You're pretty fast for an earth pony!"
Applejack: "Excuse me? What d'ya mean, for an earth pony?"
Rainbow Dash: "Jeeze, Sirocco, you can't say things like that!"
Sirocco: "Why not? I meant it as a compliment!"

Etc. The kind of innocent insensitivity that leads to, for example, Resident Evil 5 being about a white dude killing a bunch of black dudes. We get uncomfortable, the Japanese don't understand what the problem is, because Japan is 95%+ ethnically Japanese, so at best they're only aware of the problem via half-remembered high school textbooks. If that much.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:11 pm

Given many Unicorns have snooty attitudes though as seen from the show, it's easy to see why fans make them the go to jerk ponies, cause from what we've seen, in Canterlot, outside of the princesses, Shining & Fancy Pants,most unicorns in Canterlot are kinda jerks. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:31 pm

Celestia founded Canterlot as a place to quarantine all the asshole ponies of the land into one spot so they wouldn't ruin it for everyone else.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:34 pm

But...Celestia lives in Canterlot so why would she live with a bunch of asshole ponies?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:36 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:But...Celestia lives in Canterlot so why would she live with a bunch of assholes ponies?



She's like the Warden from SuperJail, just a big kid surronded by assholes she gets to use as playthings. :gotcha:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:54 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Given many Unicorns have snooty attitudes though as seen from the show, it's easy to see why fans make them the go to jerk ponies, cause from what we've seen, in Canterlot, outside of the princesses, Shining & Fancy Pants,most unicorns in Canterlot are kinda jerks. :v:


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Trenderhoof ... check!

Prince Blueblood ... check!

Trixie ... oh you bet ... check!

Twilight Sparkle .... it'd say so, more often than not ... check!

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:vogue: :"Of course, I for one have all four hooves firmly planted in the ground and can see reality before my face for what it is!"
:wink: :"Very well! I shall away! Ta!"


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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:57 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:But...Celestia lives in Canterlot so why would she live with a bunch of asshole ponies?


She suffers so other ponies don't.

:gotcha: And she had to make room for Luna.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:59 pm

Aw...Celestia's too awesome to suffer like that.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:33 pm

Celestia does put up with a lot. We've seen that she doesn't care at all for the nobility, but she deals with it.
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