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Re: My Little Pony: Equestria Girls 2 (It's a book. OR IS IT

Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:43 am

Homeswirl wrote:Ponies still needs a movie, though. The ep1+2 would have made a good one, and Daring Do would actually have been an okay offshoot movie plot. But no, all we get is EqG so far.


There is a movie in the works. It's called Journey of the Spark :-I



It's missing the original FiM voice actresses :fluttersmith: ... But at least it has :ponydrugs:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:55 am

Um. When was this launched? :-I

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Postby Discord (?) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:11 pm

Grue wrote:Exactly, 3 episodes worth of material + one comic book is nothing compared to what the regular ponies are getting (26 new episodes and 2 monthly comic series). I can't believe people are complaining. It's as if the world needs even more pony episodes with Daring Don't level writing. :-/


You realize that EqG is made by the same staff, right?

And that's, like, your opinion.

And mine is that I wouldn't hold this movie/potential series on any pedestal in terms of writing.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:15 pm

A thought: If there is another movie in the works, then much like S4 versus past seasons, maybe the characters will look better in motion.

Of course, can EqG's animations be reused anywhere nearly as easily as FiM's? The humans here all wear clothes (the same shitty short skirts and giant boots, but clothes nonetheless), so that's obviously a lot more stuff that has to be redrawn for each character. Compare that to FiM's way of sticking the same pony parts onto the same animations and just swapping details like cutie marks, hairstyles, and colors in order to make a completely new pony.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:55 pm

Grue wrote:Exactly, 3 episodes worth of material + one comic book is nothing compared to what the regular ponies are getting (26 new episodes and 2 monthly comic series). I can't believe people are complaining. It's as if the world needs even more pony episodes with Daring Don't level writing. :-/



I agree the show could greatly benefit from more over the Top pulp-action style adventures.

Hmm maybe Eauestria Girls 2 (the movie) will be about Human RDs Aunt Daring taking them on a crazy adventure around the world. :gotcha:


Or more realistically it'll probably be about then forming a rock band, to tie in with the Rainbow Rockers toys, because, you know, kids love to see skittles colored humans sing cheesy pop/rock ballads. :-P
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:58 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:A thought: If there is another movie in the works, then much like S4 versus past seasons, maybe the characters will look better in motion.

Of course, can EqG's animations be reused anywhere nearly as easily as FiM's? The humans here all wear clothes (the same shitty short skirts and giant boots, but clothes nonetheless), so that's obviously a lot more stuff that has to be redrawn for each character. Compare that to FiM's way of sticking the same pony parts onto the same animations and just swapping details like cutie marks, hairstyles, and colors in order to make a completely new pony.


I doubt any amount of evolutionary change in the EqG animation would make it notably more watchable.

I mean, we talk about pony animation getting better season-to-season, but seriously—you go back and watch S1, and it still looks leaps and bounds better than almost anything else I've ever seen outside of theaters, and certainly has a novel and constantly-in-motion kind of feel to it that I've never seen anywhere else. Improvements since then have been very subtle. It all looks very much like the same show done by the same team, and I'd be hard put to it to identify any animation in S1 that looks "lacking" compared to S4. Maybe less creative lighting, maybe fewer really interesting expressions... but then there are also plenty of expressions back then that we don't see anymore.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:08 pm

EQG's major problem are the desings, plain and simple. They just don't work with the animation and aren't any good to begin with.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:13 pm

Meh,I think some of the designs are OK, but I do agree there is obvious room for improvement. Even something simple like giving then better attire would be nice. Maybe let some or the characters wear pants & regular shoes.

And Fluttershy wearing a sleeveless shirt has always bothered me. No school would let her do that unless maybe she had something else over it. Canterlot High has a weird dress code.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:15 pm

The problem is the characters weren't designed by the people behind the show or anyone close, they were probably desinged by someone Hasbro hired and told them "make something like those monster high dolls". There are many problem with the characters, the biggest of which how their looks and clothing don't fit them at all. And because they weren't desinged by the people behind the show, they weren't done with Flash animation in mind.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:20 pm

I agree wholeheartedly.

Although personally I think AJs design is solid, but, she's pretty easy to humanize, so I guess that's not saying much, and at least the boots make sense on her. If only she has been wearing actual jeans/pants instead of that silly skirt.

But yeah, I agree, they were made with dolls in mind first, animation second.

Although I love how Human Twilight is constantly reminding me of Stocking from P&SKG. XD
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:38 pm

Body shape is also a problem, all of them are unrealisticly thin and have weird arms and legs. Actually, those weird arms and legs are one of the causes for the animation looking weird.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:53 pm

Yeah. But at the same time super skinny/twiggy humans seems to be a thing in Flash Animation. It's not something unique to EQG. Not saying that justifies it by any means. Just that it's not uncommon.

But speaking of the potential sequel itself. I'm fine with it if it can actually develop the human versions of these characters. Specially Sunset, that girl needs character development BAD!
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:09 pm

I actually wonder if it's possible for redesigns suited towards the animators to happen. I mean, if Hasbro says no and they're forced to use skinny/twiggy designs, then im sure Thiessen and his team can just come back with signatures on their resignations.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:16 pm

I don't think they'd do something that drastic. But maybe they could be sneaky and subtly change the designs over time with each movie . The excuse of course to be to show they're growing up... Or something like that.

And again I doubt even she would have come up with too vastly different designs other then clothing. Maybe slightly beefier arms n legs.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:42 pm

I was gonna post this yesterday but then that little alien parasite in my left ear said dont. Thankfully it's asleep now so i will now.

Wut ah wunt from EqG2 is for the makers to go all out guns blazing with how crazy they can exploit the setting. :excellent:

One problem i had with EqG was that it felt too restrained. It was as if McCarthy didnt even want to touch upon the typical Highschool Tropes because she didnt want to write EqG in the first place so she didnt exploit this rich setting. It all felt dull-like. Where was all the typical Disney, CN, or even Barbie tropes in their school cartoons?

Sure we saw some nerds but where was the technobabble and weird homemade contraptions to help the girls at the end of the film? The evil cheerleaders who hate every girl outside their enclosed group and plots to sabotage our heroines in the final round? Or the beefcakes like Flash Thompson ala Spectacular Spider Man who acts like a neanderthal jerk but at the end helps our admirable heroines?

Im praying Polsky in Hasbro's divine wisdom gets full creative control of this magnus opus so this vision will fully be realized :awesomedash:

I think it's likely EqG2 will go down the route of the Rocky Balboa sequels and just get sillier and sillier :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:08 pm

Just how much silliness is there to be found in such a world, though? Compared to Equestria I don't think there's any way Dougworld can ever measure up in that regard.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:15 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Just how much silliness is there to be found in such a world, though? Compared to Equestria I don't think there's any way Dougworld can ever measure up in that regard.


A.) Give Polsky full reign

B.) It's not unusual for sequels or series as they progress (look at S4) where things just get sillier and deviate from the tone of the first installment. Rocky, Evil Dead (Army of Darkness) and others have progressively gotten sillier and weirder. Maybe we wont reach My Gym Partners a Monkey levels of zaniness but i hope EqG2 just feels more alive, and having those stereotypes will add life to the setting
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Edit: Im actually serious, y'all :pcstare: I do want EqG2 to hold no punches and embrace the setting with not one ounce of shame. Maybe it's because Im attracted to shows with shows like Steven Universe and WoY where they just embrace the weirdness of it all and I just find it not only entertaining but also full of energy when they go banana pants crazy.
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Thats why I was disappointed with PTS and Castlemania. In Castlemania's case, they took a generally fun and 'scary' setting and decided to not really go crazy with it. Daring Dont did the complete opposite and thats why I have more hope in S4 and hopefully it will be the same for EqG2.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:29 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Just how much silliness is there to be found in such a world, though? Compared to Equestria I don't think there's any way Dougworld can ever measure up in that regard.


Transform it into a remake of Jem. That show was outrageous. Then add magic and the power of glam rock and 80s fashion.
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Postby Discord (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:15 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:I was gonna post this yesterday but then that little alien parasite in my left ear said dont. Thankfully it's asleep now so i will now.

Wut ah wunt from EqG2 is for the makers to go all out guns blazing with how crazy they can exploit the setting. :excellent:

One problem i had with EqG was that it felt too restrained. It was as if McCarthy didnt even want to touch upon the typical Highschool Tropes because she didnt want to write EqG in the first place so she didnt exploit this rich setting. It all felt dull-like. Where was all the typical Disney, CN, or even Barbie tropes in their school cartoons?

Sure we saw some nerds but where was the technobabble and weird homemade contraptions to help the girls at the end of the film? The evil cheerleaders who hate every girl outside their enclosed group and plots to sabotage our heroines in the final round? Or the beefcakes like Flash Thompson ala Spectacular Spider Man who acts like a neanderthal jerk but at the end helps our admirable heroines?

Im praying Polsky in Hasbro's divine wisdom gets full creative control of this magnus opus so this vision will fully be realized :awesomedash:

I think it's likely EqG2 will go down the route of the Rocky Balboa sequels and just get sillier and sillier :gotcha:


The move was at its worst when it went into dumb high school clichés. There is already a ton of media that relishes in the clichés; we don't exactly need more. The best they could do is work on turning more of the tropes on their heads.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:58 pm

They basically need to go either way but go all in when they do. Either embrace more of the high school stuff and flesh it out or turn it's on its head and break a few things. EG1 was far too middle of the road for its own good.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:53 pm

EqG had the stereotypes like the nerds, jockeys, hipsters, and etc but they were just part of the scenery. It was as if she just ticked boxes rather than make use of them. Granted, maybe it was safer to just focus on the Mane Six for the first movie rather thrn jump right into the cliches and etc. Dont get me started on how tick-boxy Flash sentry was
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Also, I would actually like having a show that turned the tropes on their heads like the next user but... I dont recall a single show that really did much to subvert the tropes in a significant manner. Thats why i think it's a lost cause to hope EqG would lead the charge and ergo, just embrace the craziness that is High school Drama
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Speaking of breaking Brad, I'll die of laughter if he disappeared in the second movie and no one brings it up :gotcha:
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Postby Discord (?) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:41 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:EqG had the stereotypes like the nerds, jockeys, hipsters, and etc but they were just part of the scenery. It was as if she just ticked boxes rather than make use of them. Granted, maybe it was safer to just focus on the Mane Six for the first movie rather thrn jump right into the cliches and etc. Dont get me started on how tick-boxy Flash sentry was
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Also, I would actually like having a show that turned the tropes on their heads like the next user but... I dont recall a single show that really did much to subvert the tropes in a significant manner. Thats why i think it's a lost cause to hope EqG would lead the charge and ergo, just embrace the craziness that is High school Drama
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Speaking of breaking Brad, I'll die of laughter if he disappeared in the second movie and no one brings it up :gotcha:


FiM is already an immensely subversive force in its genre. What makes it such an impossibility that EqG could possibly do the same?
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:55 am

Tailspin wrote:EQG's major problem are the desings, plain and simple. They just don't work with the animation and aren't any good to begin with.


I agree they're not very good designs, but they're not animated well, either. There's no expressiveness, and very little squash and stretch. The poses and movements tend to be very lifeless. Even with the stick figures they're made of, they could be animated MUCH better than what we saw in EqG.


I'm also in with Discord (DTPNTD): Kids generally hate the high school tropes, adults predominately hate them, anybody who doesn't actively hate them merely tolerates them and doesn't draw any engaging drama from them. Any "real" content you can have besides filling time with those tropes is a good thing.

But I certainly can agree with Applecobbler on this: :)
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:43 am

Wow... Blocks of text in response to Discord gone... Thanks, Apple (for some reason my tablet crashes often when i tap the top to scroll up)

So briefly :unenthused: ... I believe the highschool setting is inherently flawed from years o fsaturation of media in them. The only show where someone took the series into a waaaay more entertaining and deeper level (relationships, characters) was Greg Weisman with WITCH. The first season was weird and awkward and very meh. After he took over in the second season, he upped the story arc, the adventure, and the characters/relationships.

Not only did he just have the right intent and effort to make it happen, but WITCH was not a toy brand, which probably means he had more creative reign over it. Someone (i think McCracken and probably others in the industry know this) said that toyline cartoons are another beast and difficult to work with due to restrictions and guidelines.

FiM was, and ill always believe this, a lightning in a bottle. An amazing amount of luck and timing, and good/effective effort on the makers' part, even if the creator didnt get to create what she initially envisioned. Even though FiM battled the Ei guidelines early on, over time I felt its popularity was becoming too good for the show and so we started seeing inclusions of stuff from the toy department and mandates like the alicornification of Cadence or the CE which was to coincide with the toys.

I remember the news when Hasbro announced that they were merging both the toys and animation department even closer. A handful thougt it would create better toys (still no AJ with hat toys...) since it would have the toy makers follow the success of the show and even though i cant say if its true or not since i havent seen enough official pony merch to judge but i actually predicted that it meant the toy makers would have more control over the show. And i guess i was right.

So with Hasbro's grip tighter on MLP due to its unexpected success, EqG was probably created out of it. It wasnt a creative decision by anyone on the team like it was when Faust and her team created the show. The behind the scenes stuff feel very half hearted from McCarthy and the animators. Im really getting those vibes of "Im just happy to have a job" when she and others (except the Hasbro execs) were being interviewed.

The inherently media-saturated focus on schools and its cliches, the show's success leading to more control by Hasbro, and lack of the same good intentions commitment from FiM to EqG from the crew all makes the option to subvert the genre less likely.

You either take the dull lite route or you go crazy with it and try making an entertaining work. The WITCH option looks terribly unlikely, unfortunately. Of course, this is just my opinion. I do realize that maybe the dull lite route is less harmful. Im just more of the opinion of "Have fun with it, guys" which may be actually bad for society
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Postby Discord (?) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:50 am

Honestly, I (almost) completely agree. A number of aspects of EqG do feel half-hearted, and that probably stems from the very overt corporate mandate of it. I just don't really think embracing that mandate is really going to produce anything particularly worthwhile either. As it is, whether or not the staff embrace it, EqG represents FiM being apart of the reproduction of hegemonic norms and tropes- to the detriment of the good the series has hopefully done. And the only way that could feasibly shift is for EqG to really try to subvert as FiM has- but you're right in that this is fairly unlikely.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:12 am

I should've made this clear in the beginning but: Because I think it's unlikely that EqG will subvert its tropes or follow the footsteps of WITCH, that's why I would rather go with all-out embracing of the genre than a boring dull tick-boxed based work devoid of energy or excitement.

I would love to see the former former (subversion) but alas, the mentions I mentioned :fluttersmith: Which is a shame because I dont know of any other females-in-school positive shows after WITCH.

I will plug in a great subversion from WITCH (S2) where in most cartoons/TV/movies, there's the Girl With Glasses who is socially awkward, is nerdy, and likes the hawt guy in school. Unfortunately, because she's nerdy and wears glasses, that's universally impossible so you see that overly used cliche of where the girl goes through the makeover scene (Princess Diaries, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, etc) and SUDDENLY they get noticed by guys and have become 'normal'.
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And the ending is one of the biggest twist i've actually seen in the genre that discriminates against 'nerds' and etc. :yay:

Regardless, at least there's FiM and Steven Universe around :smile:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:25 am

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I miss W.I.T.C.H :fluttersmith:

I miss Toon Disney, heck I even miss Jetix. :saddash:
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Postby Grue (?) » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:56 pm

Discord wrote:
You realize that EqG is made by the same staff, right?


They're clearly running out of ideas, and writing the characters into a corner. EqG is a chance to start fresh, in a completely different setting. The movie proved that this basically solves all the problems with the characters in season 3. It's not that the staff is bad. It's just that it's incredibly hard to keep the show running for >3 seasons without losing track in all the continuity and power creep and flanderization and so on. Not even the best of the best can avoid this (see Simpsons, Spongebob and so on).
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Postby Discord (?) » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:26 pm

Grue wrote:
They're clearly running out of ideas, and writing the characters into a corner. EqG is a chance to start fresh, in a completely different setting. The movie proved that this basically solves all the problems with the characters in season 3. It's not that the staff is bad. It's just that it's incredibly hard to keep the show running for >3 seasons without losing track in all the continuity and power creep and flanderization and so on. Not even the best of the best can avoid this (see Simpsons, Spongebob and so on).


The movie hardly did anything with the characters on an individual level outside of Twilight, who reverted to some S1 awkwardness (understandably). I don't think characterization (of the mane 6) was what was wrong with this movie, but I fail to see how there's enough content here for most of them to judge it as having fixed perceived characterization issues.

I disagree with the idea of them running out of ideas. :pinkieshrug: S4 has convicned me thus far. Plenty of shows have found success for longer than that (such as the Simpsons, who most would agree didn't really even come into its own until a few seasons in).

I wouldn't really call a high-school setting the best way to "start fresh". They're working with the exact same characters too, and didn't really do anything remotely fresh with that setting in the movie.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:46 am

Discord wrote:I wouldn't really call a high-school setting the best way to "start fresh". They're working with the exact same characters too, and didn't really do anything remotely fresh with that setting in the movie.

Not to mention, high school (in a world of humans) is nowhere close to fresh, as far as settings go. Equestria still has tons of places left to explore and has far more leeway with what can fit into it. A world that is trying to be the real world has to be far more grounded and less fantastic than Equestria is.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:07 pm

Starting fresh and original would be having it set in a magical school in a world where technology and magic meet. Then having Twilight adjust to this world which is both familiar (magic) and alien (humans, high technology). Having the antagonist not be a generic bully who's only characterization is she is a generic bully. Giving her some goal, like say wanting to conquer the world through the elements of harmony, because she's power hungry and wants to rule over everyone. And in the end, not having her redeemed, because some vilians are just villians.

All that is "starting fresh". What this is is a generic american high school (or at least how the media sees them), in a generic world, with a generic bully and some basic characterization for the Mane 6 (albiet Pinkie is even worse then in the regular show), all wrapped up in badly desinged characters.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:09 pm

With funny skin colors and an almost-interesting-but-never-explained horse theme.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:10 pm

Headless Horse wrote:With funny skin colors and an almost-interesting-but-never-explained horse theme.


That's actually a pretty minor detail. Remove that and it's still pretty generic.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:20 pm

@Grue. There is no indication the show runners are running out of ideas. An individual personally disliking an episode/season/movie of a series does not factually indicate the lack of ideas by show runners. #JustSayin

Also a High School setting is hardly a fresh start.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:41 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Also a High School setting is hardly a fresh start.

High School would be a fresh start, but it has limited story potential especially as a G-rated show. As much as people disliked the semi-pony transformations I would like if they kept it in future movies to have some element of fantasy to draw on for unique ideas.
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Postby Grue (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:49 pm

There is nothing wrong with high school as a setting. It's fresh start precisely because it's so different from Equestria. If it had as much magic as Equestria, it would be the same stuff as MLP but with humans, but a more mundane setting opens possibilities for different kind of stories. Like, more slice of life stuff.

Tailspin wrote:some basic characterization for the Mane 6 (albiet Pinkie is even worse then in the regular show)


Are you sure you were seeing the same movie? Because EqG Pinkie is so much better characterized than MLP Pinkie (as of late), it's not even funny. She had more actually funny lines/animations than in all of season 3 combined! Not surprising, since Meghan McCarthy is best at writing Pinkie (Party of One, Call of the Cutie, that flugelhorn joke in CE).
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:58 pm

She's as unfunny and lol random in EQG as she is in the show. The worst offender in EQG is her guessing things out of nowhere (Twilight is pony princess! You met someone!).
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:48 pm

Er........ I think McCarthy's writing of Pinkie Pie has deteriorated alot after Party of One.

I know ive been campaigning for a "OPEN THE FLOODGATES" approach to FiM (go crazy with the stories and etc) but the one exception will be Pinkie Pie and I do think there should be some restraint when writing her.

CE and EqG were pretty bad when it came to Pinkie Pie imo. She felt really simplified and admitedly, more annoying in CE with her antics. Iin EqG, her antics felt really out of place given how dull the world was and what Tailspin mentioned, the 'Pony princesss' lineSSS were :unenthused: -inducing.

"Restraint", comrades :spike101:
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Postby Venusy (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:33 pm

Equestria Girls was targeted at a very specific audience: the audience that is just the right age to still find high school an aspiration, rather than boring if too young, or a nightmare if too old. I think maintaining that aspiration was part of the original mandate. As such, things which could have gone somewhere - like the cyberbullying - were just glossed over.

Something to think about: Equestria Girls 1 was a retelling of the pilot. Will EqG 2 be a retelling of Return of Harmony?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:15 pm

I would be fine with that. And if it ties into the Rainbow Rockers toys, maybe we can get a humanized Discord playing a heavy metal version of The Devil Went Down To Georgia. :excellent:

Ok, probably not. But hey, I'd watch it.
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