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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:30 pm

Anyway, have you seen all of S4 as of yet? If you haven't, you really should check it out.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:34 pm

Headless Horse wrote:It's an S5 tie-in. Fluttershy gets attacked by the Deflater Mouse

Due to trademark issues, it's now known as "Ratmanuel."
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:36 pm

Headless Horse wrote:It's an S5 tie-in. Fluttershy gets attacked by the Deflater Mouse


I approve of all puns of this nature. :golfclop:


(Edit: In German, Die Fledermaus is "bat" (murciélago).)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:38 pm

...OK, I'm a big silly and don't get it. :-I
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Postby Sobana (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:15 pm

It is how other languages say the word "bat". In the the show The Tick there was a bat man character that used the french word for bat as his name which is " Deflactor Mouse".
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:19 pm

Oh...DER FLIEDERMAUS! Gah, can't believe that I missed that. :facehoof:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:16 pm

Yes, it's actually really clever because you're forced to consider why the mouse is being deflated, and why it was being inflated in the first place. And is this a sort of cruel and unusual treatment for animals or is deflating its purpose, like a fighting fish or whooping crane.
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Now I want to see the German language rendition of Bats!


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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:18 pm

That is such an esoteric pun I'm surprised anyone got it :starity:

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Postby Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:11 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Due to trademark issues, it's now known as "Ratmanuel."


:golfclop:

I think I was one of the few dozen people who actually watched that show every week before it was cancelled.

Now I kind of want Patrick Warburton to guest on FiM.
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Postby stonecutter (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:54 am

Sobana wrote:It is how other languages say the word "bat". In the the show The Tick there was a bat man character that used the french word for bat as his name which is " Deflactor Mouse".

Isn't 'bat' in french 'chauve-souris'? :ponder:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:11 am

Bremen wrote:That is such an esoteric pun I'm surprised anyone got it :starity:

Bravo to all of you.

Yes, dear, we all grew up in the 90's. :smug:

stonecutter wrote:Isn't 'bat' in french 'chauve-souris'? :ponder:

Not sure, I just remember the reason behind the name for the character. :-I
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:21 am

Sobana wrote:Yes, dear, we all grew up in the 90's. :smug:

:offendash: Hey, some of us grew up in Vienna in the 1870s!
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:33 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I thought the first one was worse than any episode of the show. Apparently the second one is better, but I haven't seen it so I can't really say anything about it. If the EqG art style doesn't bother you then go for it, I guess.


I'm not sure if I would say EQG 1 was worse than the worst episode. If anything, I'd rather watch the first EQG 10 times over, than go back to rewatch MMMystery once. Or Last Roundup for that matter. :bluh:

ROBOT B9 wrote:Anyway, have you seen all of S4 as of yet? If you haven't, you really should check it out.


Still can't find myself time to get around to the finale. :ohrarity:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:17 am

Sobana wrote:Yes, dear, we all grew up in the 90's. :smug:


Not sure, I just remember the reason behind the name for the character. :-I


SOME of us have culture and know it from Strauss first :snobtavia:



(Die Fledermaus is German, btw, not french :twience: )
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:37 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Still can't find myself time to get around to the finale. :ohrarity:


Well, if you can find the time, I'd recommend that you check it out. I think you'll like it.
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Postby Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:32 am

It was one of the better finales. Decent villain, fun jokes, some over the top stuff that I enjoyed.

I'm not hard to please, though :cheese:
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:03 am

I liked it quite a bit, considering it brings back a G1 villain and has a lot of Discord in it. Fontra liked it too when I showed it to him, but totally lost it when they showed the ponies getting rainbow power-fied. Can't blame him, the designs are both cute and toyetically ridiculous.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:08 am

Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner wrote:It was one of the better finales. Decent villain, fun jokes, some over the top stuff that I enjoyed.

I'm not hard to please, though :cheese:


I still wish we had more finales like the S1 finale. Something slice of life and fun to end the season :allears:

If we must have action packed Two parter finales, then at least they should have better villains. Having a season-arc villain pop up from time to time would establish some looming threat or goal worth achieving. Sombra, Tirek, and Chrysalis all unfortunately fall victim to showing up once and only once during the two parters. There's just not enough time to develop their characters and it just isn't really satisfying if there was no build up prior to the two parters.

As to what kind of villain they'd be, I'd very much liked it if they either went with a comedic villain a la Mojo Jojo and Lord Hater who are just so full of themselves, OR they go with a serious villain who's not focused on world domination but rather have a personal score to settle with one of the main characters. So far, all the serious villains have been bent on world domination and are having a straight face about it.

The closest a villain's been to holding a grudge was Trixie and... yeah, I didn't like Magic Duel :-/ (long story short, Magic Duel wasn't supposed to happen, there were others plans for Trixie)
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:08 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.roundstable.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=838297#p838297](long story short, Magic Duel wasn't supposed to happen, there were others plans for Trixie)


I've never ever heard of this. Is that something you got a source for, or just your personal musing?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:11 am

Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner wrote:It was one of the better finales. Decent villain, fun jokes, some over the top stuff that I enjoyed.

I'm not hard to please, though :cheese:


This is pretty much my reaction to the episode as well. I'm easy when it comes to ponies. :amazing:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:13 am

I still wish we had more finales like the S1 finale


That would be fun. :yay:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:23 am

Perrydotto wrote:
I've never ever heard of this. Is that something you got a source for, or just your personal musing?


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Now granted, just because she said she had other plans and hinted at certain things doesn't necessarily mean that it would have been better than the Magic Duel but given her skills and experience in the field, I'm more inclined to believe she could have done something better than the Magic Duel and like aforementioned, I felt the Magic Duel was rather disappointing. It turned Trixie into a comical villain out of nowhere when really she was far from being 'evil' in Boast Busters (and yeah, you could claim that it was the amulet doing it but if so, it wasn't well explained in the story or visually) but worst of all, I felt the Magic Duel effectively ended the possiblity of having Trixie become a bigger villain who would have mirrored Luna's fall from grace and thus having Twilight and Trixie resemble their predecessors.

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Edit: Admittedly, I do think the reason why they greenlit Magic Duel anyway in Season 3 was because not only was Lauren gone but also because maybe the show staff thought S3 would be the last so they better end with a bang, regardless of having bigger plans for Trixie, I guess?
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:46 pm

You can't exactly say Magic Duel didn't explain enough that the amulet was corrupting Trixie when the epsidoe explocitly says it.

Plus there were even more subtle clues like Trixie's eyes glowing red the first time we see her and her magic aura being changed to red.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:54 pm

Besides, the entire opening scene basically spells out the purpose of the amulet. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:00 pm

I think that what we got with Trixie was great. Sure, she could have turned into something like Nightmare Moon, but I think the way she was brought around to be a somewhat sympathetic pompous ass has been more interesting. The same with Discord, there was an opportunity to keep him around as a morally ambiguous trickster instead of leaving him as a statue forever.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:04 pm

DerFurShur wrote:You can't exactly say Magic Duel didn't explain enough that the amulet was corrupting Trixie when the epsidoe explocitly says it.

Plus there were even more subtle clues like Trixie's eyes glowing red the first time we see her and her magic aura being changed to red.


I guess what I meant was:

Magic Duel didn't do a good job of making it look like it was more the amulet making Trixie evil than Trixie being... Trixie, just being more egoistic because she's on a power trip.

Heck, at the end of the episode, when Trixie does give her amulet away to get the fake amulet, we apparently don't see any consequences of her taking it off :rariwhat: Shouldn't she become normal again and go: "Wait, what just happened?" Instead, she's still evil since she tried to zap Rainbow Dash into agony.

At the very end, Trixie says: "I treated you and your friends so horribly while I was wearing the amulet." Given how Trixie didn't really change after she gave the amulet away and just how the script never really previously explained the amulet and whether it corrupted Trixie or not (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the animators added in the red eyes. The animators have already done something like that in Apple Family Reunion where they added the two stars at the end, and they weren't in the script), that quote can mean: "I was a jerk to you all while I was on a power trip." I don't think it was because of some corrupting powers of the amulet but rather Trixie just going all egotistical with power.

I dunno, it just felt so sloppily handled. It just couldn't decide whether it was Trixie herself or the amulet. I still think it's the former though. If it wanted to say it was the amulet directly corrupting her like the book in Inspiration Manifestation, perhaps a scene showing the more innocent Trixie struggling and futilely trying to stop herself from using the amulet would have been nice.
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EDIT: Also, there's inconsistencies with the red eyes. Sometimes when she's casting her Alicorn magic they're red, sometimes they're not. Most of the time her eyes are normal but there's a few scenes where her eyes are red, even when she's not casting magic. Again, I feel like they weren't sure.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:22 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I think that what we got with Trixie was great. Sure, she could have turned into something like Nightmare Moon, but I think the way she was brought around to be a somewhat sympathetic pompous ass has been more interesting. The same with Discord, there was an opportunity to keep him around as a morally ambiguous trickster instead of leaving him as a statue forever.


I pretty much agree with this, plus the fact making a new Nightmare Moon would have seemed a little repetitive to some people.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:31 pm

So, basically Sunset Shimmers was the Trixie that could have been.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:32 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:
I pretty much agree with this, plus the fact making a new Nightmare Moon would have seemed a little repetitive to some people.


I don't see how making a new Nightmare Moon might be repetitive. I mean, we barely even saw Nightmare Moon to begin with :-P

Plus, I like the idea of jealousy as a motivation for a character soon-to-be-villain. Instead of: "Oh look, it's Sombra. He's evil because... he ENSLAVES PONIES! :twonk: (and wears an evil king cape)", we could have had a villain that audiences would understand where she's coming from. We saw the origin of Trixie's rivalrous beginnings back in Boast Busters and more could have been built up later.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only times we saw Nightmare Moon's backstory was in FiM Part One and Princess Twilight Part One. The former being a short summary in a fairy-tale form and the latter when Luna already is evil. We never really saw Luna gradually, because of jealousy, transform into Nightmare Moon. And I think Trixie could have been offered that story where we see her jealousy slowly manifest into something menacing.

Ah well, too bad. At least it's fun to talk about it.

PS If saying that having another Nightmare Moon might be repetitive, shouldn't Discord count as well? He's more or less the same character and he was brought back for the second time.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:37 pm

Yeah, but I think that they did more with Discord than just repeat the same thing he did in RoH. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:42 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah, but I think that they did more with Discord than just repeat the same thing he did in RoH. :pinkieshrug:


I guess. To be honest, I was not a fan of having him return in the first place (sort of makes RoH's struggles and victory rather pointless since he was gonna come back anyway) and was was surprised how sparingly they used him in S4 but since he's here to stay, I'd like to see Discord causing more chaos to Ponyville. Hoping Season 5 offers that.
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Postby fenster (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:09 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote: It turned Trixie into a comical villain out of nowhere when really she was far from being 'evil' in Boast Busters,...but worst of all, I felt the Magic Duel effectively ended the possiblity of having Trixie become a bigger villain who would have mirrored Luna's fall from grace and thus having Twilight and Trixie resemble their predecessors.



Huh? First you complain that Trixie turns to a villain when she was characterized as more silly before....then complain that the episode didn't leave room open for Trixie to actually become a villain? You can't really have it both ways.



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I'm not sure if I would say EQG 1 was worse than the worst episode. If anything, I'd rather watch the first EQG 10 times over, than go back to rewatch MMMystery once. Or Last Roundup for that matter. :bluh:


Whoa whoa whoa, I can't believe no one called out this one so I'm going to: Last Roundup is one of the best episodes period. :glare:

And while I don't hate Equistria Girls like a lot of people do, I do rate it on the lower spectrum of episodes but that's more so a testament to most Average pony episodes being really good.

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To be honest, I was not a fan of having him return in the first place (sort of makes RoH's struggles and victory rather pointless since he was gonna come back anyway)


I could even accept that, but what ticks me is that Celestia makes everyone go through this ordeal "because Discord's magic may be of some use", but we never really see any time him being useful until the S4 finale when he was ideal to stop Tirek (I guess?). It would've been more reassuring if we could eventually see that Celestia actually had a plan then for Discord, like using him as part of the spell mishap in MMC or something. As is it just feels like they brought him back just 'cause, which goes along with making RoH's accomplishments feel less.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:34 pm

fenster wrote:

Huh? First you complain that Trixie turns to a villain when she was characterized as more silly before....then complain that the episode didn't leave room open for Trixie to actually become a villain? You can't really have it both ways.


I never said she was more silly before (sorry for not stating it though). On the contrary, she got waaaaay too silly in The Magic Duel. Case and point: the mouse cursor and recycling bin visual gag :v:

I'd say Trixie was much more belieaveable, grounded, and (in my personal case) somewhat relateable in Boast Busters. Yeah, still silly, but far from Magic Duel levels. And I think Boast Busters ended in a way that lends itself to more episodes where we see Trixie get consumed by jealousy. I just think she could have been handled in a way that she still retained her personality in Boast Busters without going all loco and evil out of nowhere in Magic Duel.

Admittedly, I am a bit confused by the second part of your question. :ponder: Hopefully I answered it. Sorry for any confusion.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:43 pm

I thought those gags were really funny, myself. It was fourth wall breaking that really worked, even more when you consider the show is made in flash.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:44 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:
I still wish we had more finales like the S1 finale. Something slice of life and fun to end the season :allears:

It may be the introvert in me, but if every season ended in a quiet coda, with the friends just chilling and decompressing someplace at 2 am, I'd be totally fine with that.
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Postby fenster (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:34 pm

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Admittedly, I am a bit confused by the second part of your question. :ponder: Hopefully I answered it. Sorry for any confusion.



Well it's just that the first part of the statement criticizes Trixie becoming much more of a villain than she was before, while the second criticism of yours contradicts that when you say you also wished for Trixie to become a greater villain since she just became a threat in Magic Duel. If you mean that you wanted or expected Trixie to be a villain on a different path, potentially from that "former student rival" angle as Faust had an idea for, then I'd just back up part of what Fizzbuzz said: it would've been neat maybe, but the way they handled it works just as well and there's no use in criticizing what could have been when the outcome we have now isn't that bad (though again, differening opinions on how good Magic Duel is; IMO I think the episode is fine).

As for the whole Trixie vs Amulet thing, I always take ambiguous instances of writing like that in other shows as the catalyst only amplifying the emotions and narrowing the focus of the victim rather than completely giving her new goals and emotions. It "made her more evil" only in the sense that she already had her evil thoughts (which she clearly already had, she grew resentment from her harsh treatment Post-Boast-Busters and sought out the amulet herself), so it was still fundamentally Trixie that was there and could take partial blame. But yeah, there's no evidence either way so it's only speculation.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:44 pm

^^

Yeah, to be clear, I'm in favor of the 'different angle/path' belief. Admittedly, I like to consider: "What could have been..." and I didn't like Magic Duel or how it handled her so that's why I'm more inclined to want to see what might have happened had Lauren stayed on.

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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:16 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:
Heck, at the end of the episode, when Trixie does give her amulet away to get the fake amulet, we apparently don't see any consequences of her taking it off :rariwhat: Shouldn't she become normal again and go: "Wait, what just happened?" Instead, she's still evil since she tried to zap Rainbow Dash into agony.

Maybe the emotional influence of the amulet lingered for a bit. :cheese:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:37 pm

fenster wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, I can't believe no one called out this one so I'm going to: Last Roundup is one of the best episodes period. :glare:


I don't see it that way. It makes Applejack a liar for the whole episode, and it ends with one of those cringeworthy "ending but not really" endings. I never enjoy it when a show skips out closure for the sake of a gag, like Bats! and so on, and for that reason, I do put it all the way down in my book as one of the worst.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:43 pm

How is it an ending but not really? Applejack admits why she didnt Comme back, the girls tell her she's being dumb, she learns her lesson and writes a letter to Celestia.

I mean yeah it then ends with Pinkie and Rarity makingbthe u r way back but that's just a simple joke, the story of the episode was told and completed.
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