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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:09 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I wonder how Prince Blueblood's doing.

I'm not really sure what the show would do with him. He's already served his purpose as someone for Rarity to obsess over (and then for her to have that obsession broken by his terrible behavior), so I don't think she'll ever try to get back together with him. Any matters of needing a royal character could be taken care of by Twilight Sparkle now, too. Considering how much the system of Equestrian royalty has been developed between the very beginning of the series and now, I get the feeling that Meghan and the gang mostly just want to forget about him.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:14 pm

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I know, right?

The villain has kidnapped the couple's baby and is flying away with it. Neither the husband nor the wife can fly, and the husband doesn't want to throw an object at the villain in case he hits the baby. So the wife commands him to throw her instead, which he does, in almost exactly the same way as Shining does. Video link here: http://youtu.be/A7hNdJN8Lb0?t=1m53s

The usage in MLP pretty much has to be an homage, right?


Nah, wife throwing is an archetypal part of Cambpell's monomyth, making appearances going back to The Tale of Genji and Beowulf and ppppfff

Damn. Can't believe that's never sprung out at me. :v: It's been too long since I've watched Pixar movies.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:52 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:
I know, right?

The villain has kidnapped the couple's baby and is flying away with it. Neither the husband nor the wife can fly, and the husband doesn't want to throw an object at the villain in case he hits the baby. So the wife commands him to throw her instead, which he does, in almost exactly the same way as Shining does. Video link here: http://youtu.be/A7hNdJN8Lb0?t=1m53s

The usage in MLP pretty much has to be an homage, right?


With how quick it is in Incredibles, and how the angle is different in the show, it appears to be more of a coincidence than a reference.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:06 pm

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With how quick it is in Incredibles, and how the angle is different in the show, it appears to be more of a coincidence than a reference.


It certainly could be, but it'd be a pretty surprising one if it was. Two pieces of animated entertainment, both aimed at children, both with pretty high viewerships, both featuring a scene in which a precious object is falling from the sky as a result of a villain attempting to claim it for themselves, both in which a husband and wife team realise that the only way to save the day is for the husband to throw the wife so she can catch it...

I'd be pretty surprised if the usage in MLP wasn't inspired, consciously or otherwise, by the usage in The Incredibles.
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Postby Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:29 pm

All I know is that it was a cool moment in "The Incredibles," whereas I laughed until I cried when it happened in pony. "The Crystal Empire" is still my least favorite two-parter/least favorite episodes in general. :v: But then, I don't know anything and am frequently wrong. Please take that into account :v:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:37 pm

Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner wrote:All I know is that it was a cool moment in "The Incredibles," whereas I laughed until I cried when it happened in pony. "The Crystal Empire" is still my least favorite two-parter/least favorite episodes in general. :v: But then, I don't know anything and am frequently wrong. Please take that into account :v:


Aww, I actually loved it in The Crystal Empire. It seemed like a really clever way to save the day, actually; Cadance was too weak to fly on her own, Shining couldn't use his magic and Spike was about to be a little green and purple splotch on the courtyard floor. Boom, wife-throw.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:42 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:
It certainly could be, but it'd be a pretty surprising one if it was. Two pieces of animated entertainment, both aimed at children, both with pretty high viewerships, both featuring a scene in which a precious object is falling from the sky as a result of a villain attempting to claim it for themselves, both in which a husband and wife team realise that the only way to save the day is for the husband to throw the wife so she can catch it...


The issue is, everything you've said is still a coincidence. Yes, they're animated, and aimed at children and with a high viewership. But there is such a long list of things like that, it's hard to say that has anything is a reference, so you kind of have to take that off the table. That's like trying to point to a specific Star Wars reference in Lord of the Rings, with reason to back it both are popular film trilogies with a big fanbase and both big villains dress in head to toe armor.

Next up, a scene with a precious object falling from the sky, that happens a lot too. It's very common, especially with villains in multiple forms of media taking place in the sky. I can think of several Transformers episodes where this is the case. The other issue is it's kind of being to generalized with "villain". In one case a villain is actively present, in the other, he's more of a presence. One is a result of revenge for screwing up plans, the other is just kind of there. They're also two highly different types of villains.

So the last thing left is the husband and wife team. Plausible, except for the fact that again, they're too different. The setting is too different, the angle isn't right at all, they're thrown differently. It's just too different to be a reference, more like a coincidence that they both happen to end that way.

On top of that, that scene in Incredibles is hardly a memorable scene, or the highlight of the film. The part in Cutie Mark Chronicles with Rarity, could easily be argued as reference to the iconic scene in 2001 A Space Odyssey when the ape-men discover the Monolith. But this, if it were a reference, was a poorly done one. If it was, it took too long for anyone to notice. It wasn't clear enough.

That is why I believe it is just a coincidence. Or perhaps subconsciously a writer was thinking of the ending to Incredibles and was inspired by it. But I don't believe it was an intended reference.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:54 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
The issue is, everything you've said is still a coincidence. Yes, they're animated, and aimed at children and with a high viewership. But there is such a long list of things like that, it's hard to say that has anything is a reference, so you kind of have to take that off the table. That's like trying to point to a specific Star Wars reference in Lord of the Rings, with reason to back it both are popular film trilogies with a big fanbase and both big villains dress in head to toe armor.

Next up, a scene with a precious object falling from the sky, that happens a lot too. It's very common, especially with villains in multiple forms of media taking place in the sky. I can think of several Transformers episodes where this is the case. The other issue is it's kind of being to generalized with "villain". In one case a villain is actively present, in the other, he's more of a presence. One is a result of revenge for screwing up plans, the other is just kind of there. They're also two highly different types of villains.

So the last thing left is the husband and wife team. Plausible, except for the fact that again, they're too different. The setting is too different, the angle isn't right at all, they're thrown differently. It's just too different to be a reference, more like a coincidence that they both happen to end that way.

On top of that, that scene in Incredibles is hardly a memorable scene, or the highlight of the film. The part in Cutie Mark Chronicles with Rarity, could easily be argued as reference to the iconic scene in 2001 A Space Odyssey when the ape-men discover the Monolith. But this, if it were a reference, was a poorly done one. If it was, it took too long for anyone to notice. It wasn't clear enough.

That is why I believe it is just a coincidence. Or perhaps subconsciously a writer was thinking of the ending to Incredibles and was inspired by it. But I don't believe it was an intended reference.


Splitting the scenario up into individual pieces kinda misses the point, though. You also seem kinda fixated on little details like angle, setting, or the way the character performs the actual throw, which couldn't be less important. The core idea is that of a husband throwing his wife into the air (kind of an unusual thing to do, no? I can't think of any instance of this other than The Incredibles and MLP) to catch something precious during a showdown with a villain. The point I was making re: both being popular animated children's entertainment was to highlight the overlap in viewership, which suggests to me a high chance of the producers of MLP having seen The Incredibles.

I wouldn't say it was a reference personally; to me that word suggests something put in for its own sake, i.e. the Big Lebowski ponies for example. This seems more like an homage to me, i.e. an affectionate borrowing of ideas, or possibly even an unconscious reuse of an idea.

Or perhaps it really was just a coincidence. We can agree to disagree :party:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:03 am

I feel like it was a coincidence, too. To me it didn't seem like an especially distinctive scene in The Incredibles.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:21 am

Regardless of where it came from, the wife-throwing thing is one of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite episodes.

It was just such a silly and unexpected climax to such a tense and action-packed scene. I love it. And I laugh every time! :-P
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:36 am

From the writer's perspective, the idea of a pony throwing another pony into flight coming to mind intuitively feels pretty unlikely. Given ponies are without throwing-type limbs, one would expect that it'd be even less likely than that of a human throwing another human coming to a writer's mind.

On the other hand, Cadence is supposedly flight-capable, so perhaps an initial story concept had her flying out there, but then it was changed to be consistent with her weakened state. Then there's also the detail that not too long ago (in-universe), she was involved in another launching—by the same writer.

If I were the writer, with Cadence's previous launch fresh in mind, and now seeing another opportunity, I'd write it in just because it's so amusing.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:57 am

doodlesplat wrote:From the writer's perspective, the idea of a pony throwing another pony into flight coming to mind intuitively feels pretty unlikely. Given ponies are without throwing-type limbs, one would expect that it'd be even less likely than that of a human throwing another human coming to a writer's mind.

I have to wonder how much the writers even consider what ponies are and aren't capable of doing, especially for quick things like this. Like you said, it was rather amusing, so even if a real horse (which FiM's ponies are already terribly removed from) couldn't do it then it's still better to do it anyway.

Besides, a human wouldn't have been able to do it anyway, on account of the fact that we don't have wings and thus can't fly at all. :twiright:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:22 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I have to wonder how much the writers even consider what ponies are and aren't capable of doing, especially for quick things like this.


I don't think much thought is put into it. I mean, just look at all the various ways that the ponies legs bend. Either they have the articulation of Gumby or there are a lot of broken bones.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:01 am

Hay, it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger is a pony fan

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:12 am

:excellent: I'll be back.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:34 am

Well, I guess this means we'll get Arnold in the show. What if he fights Chrysalius?

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Postby Throbulator (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:15 pm

Rainbow Crash wrote:Hay, it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger is a pony fan

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Oh my god look at the tiny horse! :awesomedash:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:29 pm

I just love that Arnold's playing along with it too...so cute. :allears:
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:44 am

The only thing I think of when I see that picture is, "wow, Arnold's not looking that great these days".
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:06 am

He's got more hair than I'll have at that age.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:34 am

Yeah, looking at it again, his skin seems a little...off. Like it's discoloured or something. :flutterdear:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:30 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah, looking at it again, his skin seems a little...off. Like it's discoloured or something. :flutterdear:

It's just not a very good photo. It looks like the photographer took it with an old smartphone and put it through one of any of the crappy photo-filtering apps available.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:47 pm

Most people look shitty in candid, non-posed, non-makeup photos. Even movie stars.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:11 pm

Yeah, that's true...it might be the way the photo was framed as well.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:24 pm

Frosthawk wrote:The only thing I think of when I see that picture is, "wow, Arnold's not looking that great these days".


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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:40 pm

Now you make me want Frank Oz on the show... :v:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:29 pm

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:flail: :"Applejack! Grandma's talking crazy again!"



Who else wants to see Tabitha do one of Yoda's lines in Granny's voice now? :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:31 pm

Watch, now someone will ask that at the next con... :gotcha:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:31 pm

Well... This happened


Apparently due to low ratings, MLP is being moved to Disney Channel in Germany

Mickey sure is hungry for :ponydrugs: let alone anything Hasbro related as of late.
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Postby fenster (?) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:36 pm

So....is Twilight now officially a Disney Princess?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:52 pm

Well, that's interesting...wonder if it'll air in the same timeslot it has over here...they do a pretty good job of promotion here in Spain. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:19 pm


Damn. Before I read the rest of that post, I took one look at this and freaked out for a second, seeing the MLP and Disney logos together. I thought for a second that perhaps all those rumors did come true! :v:
fenster wrote:So....is Twilight now officially a Disney Princess?

The show has been airing on the Disney Channel in Spain for quite a while now (see ROBOT B9's reviews of the apparently excellent dub), so in that sense, yes she already is one.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:33 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:Mickey sure is hungry for :ponydrugs: let alone anything Hasbro related as of late.


Mecha-Walt Disney hungers for sacrifice to make up for the talks with Dreamworks.

Picture Disney as Khorne from Warhammer. Multiply Khorne's violence level by 100. Now say a group of Chaos Marines gave slightly more attention to Slaanesh than Khorne. Now you have how the Mouse feels right now. :twonk:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:13 am

This gives me confidence that if they are hurt for a channel for the show they can always ask Disney.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:17 am

Yeah, say what you will but Disney Channel is immensely popular and they'll probably do a good job at promoting the show...if this does happen, of course. It's too early to say. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:26 pm

Sobana wrote:This gives me confidence that if they are hurt for a channel for the show they can always ask Disney.


But in America, they go to CN, as evident with the new Transformers cartoon now.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:40 pm

It depends. They were badly burnt by CN once before, right? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:42 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:It depends. They were badly burnt by CN once before, right? :pinkieshrug:


Yes, but I think the fact that they're going back to it, after the Disney contract, shows that although they were burnt by CN, they still consider it a fall back.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:52 pm

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Yes, but I think the fact that they're going back to it, after the Disney contract, shows that although they were burnt by CN, they still consider it a fall back.

I think after they made their own channel it showed CN that they would not tolerate being treated like they did before. I wonder if CN got the message.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:08 pm

Sobana wrote:I think after they made their own channel it showed CN that they would not tolerate being treated like they did before. I wonder if CN got the message.


I believe CN sees it more as "You didn't do well with your channel, and now you're crawling back to us."
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