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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:14 pm

Twilight's Kingdom explained that their strength was a gift granted by magic.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:11 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Twilight's Kingdom explained that their strength was a gift granted by magic.



Same goes for the Pegasus flight & Alicorns/Unicorns well...everything.

Magic is basically Equestria's Electricity....without it, the citizens are weak & helpless. :gotcha:

hmm... perhaps Scootaloo can't fly because she has a magic deficiency?
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:26 pm

Earth ponies rock. :maud:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:46 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Twilight's Kingdom explained that their strength was a gift granted by magic.


Now if only they didn't wait until S4 to try to give earth ponies credit for anything. It frustrated me that it always felt like earth ponies were defined by what they couldn't do than what they could.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:52 pm

Not to mention we've never really seen extraordinary strength from Earth Ponies that we haven't in other races. Dash can pretty much break even against AJ, and both of them probably skew on the high end of the curve for their races (especially Dash).

We've seen super strength from Sweetie Belle.

Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy were able to keep up with two Earth Ponies in a Carriage chase.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:58 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:
Now if only they didn't wait until S4 to try to give earth ponies credit for anything. It frustrated me that it always felt like earth ponies were defined by what they couldn't do than what they could.

They've implied since season 2 that earth ponies are really the only ones really capable of growing plants, so that's something.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:02 pm

The Doctor wrote:Not to mention we've never really seen extraordinary strength from Earth Ponies that we haven't in other races. Dash can pretty much break even against AJ, and both of them probably skew on the high end of the curve for their races (especially Dash).

We've seen super strength from Sweetie Belle.

Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy were able to keep up with two Earth Ponies in a Carriage chase.


We saw Big Mac tow a house. Maud reduced a giant boulder to gravel with her hooves.

I do wonder if Applejack's talent isn't heavier on the plant growing talent than brute strength, though, since as mentioned she's been shown to be comparable to Rainbow Dash. And it's worth noting that strength isn't necessarily the same as speed, here.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:09 pm

To AJ's credit, she did casually lift a taxi and kick down a tree this season. Plus, I think her strength may be more wired towards endurance than raw strength. My issue is (slightly) less the Apple Family and more of the rest. Pegasi can fly unless they're Scootaloo or Fluttershy. We don't see other earth ponies exhibit strength or have super druid growing skills.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:15 pm

Yeah, but what about the other Earth ponies, like Bon Bon, or Roseluck? They don't really seem like "strong, house pulling" type to me.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:26 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Yeah, but what about the other Earth ponies, like Bon Bon, or Roseluck? They don't really seem like "strong, house pulling" type to me.


Neither did Maud until she had to, though. And given how often horrible things happen to Ponyville there must be something keeping all those townsponies from getting eaten by a Tarrasque every other week.

Though it's a fair point. It may be, as Zamuel says, for most earth ponies their magic strength manifests as endurance rather than brute strength, or a combination of the two.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:27 pm

I expect that earth ponies are stronger than unicorns and pegasuseses of equivalent build. So while they're probably not as strong as Big Mac, they're probably stronger than Lyra, for example. And likewise, Big Mac is probably much stronger than Shining Armor, even though they have the same body type.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:52 pm

Personally, I think the show might have better benefited if they played up the growing plants part than strength since it feels less replaceable by the others. AJ had that giant apple in Bats! while the Appleloosa ponies grew a whole orchard in the middle of the desert. That or a combination since the other types technically have two abilities. Pegasi can fly and they can control the weather through touch. Unicorns have basic telekinesis and whatever individualized magic spells they have.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:01 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:Personally, I think the show might have better benefited if they played up the growing plants part than strength since it feels less replaceable by the others. AJ had that giant apple in Bats! while the Appleloosa ponies grew a whole orchard in the middle of the desert. That or a combination since the other types technically have two abilities. Pegasi can fly and they can control the weather through touch. Unicorns have basic telekinesis and whatever individualized magic spells they have.


I would agree with that. We've seen strength from all the races. Big Mac pulling a house doesn't mean much, because he's Big Mac, and like AJ, probably on the high end of the Earth Pony curve. We saw Sweetie Belle pull half a house!

But the plants thing would work. I think there's a small farm on Fluttershy's ranch, but I wouldn't mind at all them making direct note that Fluttershy is doing a job that normally Earth Ponies would do, and she's just that good at it.
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Postby Strangepony (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:12 pm

When did Sweetie Belle have super strength?

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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:14 pm

Strangepony wrote:When did Sweetie Belle have super strength?


Sleepless in Ponyville when she towed her and her big sister's luggage.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:15 pm

The Doctor wrote:We saw Sweetie Belle pull half a house!

Are you talking about from Sleepless in Ponyville? All the stuff was in a cart on wheels. Big Mac was dragging a house along the ground. There's a big difference.

I think it's been made pretty clear that Earth Ponies (in general) are stronger than the other two races and are much more in touch with the natural world. Pegasi are generally faster and more agile than their counterparts, and unicorn strength lies in their magic.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:57 pm

Octavia wrote:Are you talking about from Sleepless in Ponyville? All the stuff was in a cart on wheels. Big Mac was dragging a house along the ground. There's a big difference.

I think it's been made pretty clear that Earth Ponies (in general) are stronger than the other two races and are much more in touch with the natural world. Pegasi are generally faster and more agile than their counterparts, and unicorn strength lies in their magic.


True, but I still would hold it as an example of the other race's strength. I agree with Zamuel that the Earth pony magic should have been tied in more with nature.


:gotcha: And on the note of Big Mac strength.

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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:12 pm

The Doctor wrote:
True, but I still would hold it as an example of the other race's strength. I agree with Zamuel that the Earth pony magic should have been tied in more with nature.


:gotcha: And on the note of Big Mac strength.

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Well, he's only pony after all :smirk:
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:13 pm

The Doctor wrote: :gotcha: And on the note of Big Mac strength.

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If alicorns have supercharged unicorn and pegasus magic, it stands to reason that they'd also have supercharged earth pony magic! When Twilight became a princess, she should have started a garden :3:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:16 pm

The Doctor wrote: :gotcha: And on the note of Big Mac strength.

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Eh, alicorns have all three types and Celestia is over 1000 years old. That's not a strength battle I have a problem with him losing.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:18 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:
Eh, alicorns have all three types and Celestia is over 1000 years old. That's not a strength battle I have a problem with him losing.


She's also freaking huge.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:23 pm

Good point. Despite how big Big Mac is, she still has some height and overall leverage over him.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:25 pm

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She's also freaking huge.

She's the biggest little pony. That's why she's in charge :dwi:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:35 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:
Eh, alicorns have all three types and Celestia is over 1000 years old. That's not a strength battle I have a problem with him losing.


Oh me either. Just the talk about Big Mac strength made me think of that panel, and I do love it. I would expect nothing less than for Celestia to beat him handily, but let him try his little heart out first.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:44 pm

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Oh me either. Just the talk about Big Mac strength made me think of that panel, and I do love it. I would expect nothing less than for Celestia to beat him handily, but let him try his little heart out first.


Thanks for posting it, I'd kind of forgotten about that panel. I really should reread those issues some time, the whole thing was hilarious.
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Postby Dal (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:46 am

Earth pony magic more than mere strength, just like unicorns are more than magic and pegasi are more than wings.

Earth ponies are about creating, nurturing, and growing. We've seen Applejack plant seeds and stomp the ground instantly producing sprouts, and her impressive orchards of Sweet Apple Acres speak for themselves. But their magic goes beyond fields and gardens. Cheerilee is a teacher, Pinkie Pie raises spirits and smiles all over Ponyville, and the Cakes make unparalleled confections.

It's that subtleness of their magic that makes explaining it in the show so hard, and I think that's why they went with strength. Like you guys brought up, Big Mac dragging an entire house through town isn't exactly subtle.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:33 am

I don't think that would be impossible to do, especially with the Cheerilee, Pinkie Pie, and Applejack examples given. Would explain a number of things if they went that way ranging from most medics being earth ponies to the original plans for Fluttershy back when she was still supposed to be Posey. Plus, then you could say that earth pones...

:dwi: ...have more than meets the eye.
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Postby Panboy (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:48 am

So I was just on the Hub youtube channel for the first time ever. watching the rainbow rocks shorts, and I saw a bunch of Jem shorts .. What? are Hasbro and the hub resurrecting the 80s?! are they gona bring M.A.S.K back too? please say yes...

But Really Jem, Was Jem ever popular with anyone?
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:08 am

I watched Jem when I was younger. I can't remember any episodes but I know I watched it. Makes me a little shocked I didn't watch G1 MLP since I actively watched GI Joe and Transformers and from my currently watching retro pony I know my younger self would have liked it.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:20 am

Well, Jem was a Hasbro TV show then, so I can see that's why they'd bring it on the Hub. As for M.A.S.K., I'm not sure, since I believe Hasbro would own the line now. But at the same time, they didn't have the rights to the show, and they possibly could not still, despite owning the line. (If they do, again I'm not 100% positive)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:00 am

I thought that Hasbro bought out MASK a few years ago. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:39 am

ZamuelNow wrote:
Sleepless in Ponyville when she towed her and her big sister's luggage.

And Spike did just the same in RTM, with no cart. :twiright:


I wonder if there is any magical aspect to dragons, actually. Consider how, when Tirek sucked all of Twilight's friends dry, Spike didn't seem to be affected (at least, his eyes weren't faded like all the others were). Perhaps all the draconic racial talents are purely biological in nature?
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:57 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I thought that Hasbro bought out MASK a few years ago. :pinkieshrug:


Yeah, I double checked, they did. They just apparently aren't doing anything with it. But I don't know if simply owning M.A.S.K. will allow them to air the show.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:09 pm

Hmm...who created the show? They might be the rights owners to the cartoon.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:20 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Hmm...who created the show? They might be the rights owners to the cartoon.


DIC. I'm not sure Hasbro's relationship with DIC, I know they did a GI Joe cartoon for them, but that's not airing on the Hub now, only the original did. So maybe they don't have a strong relationship with DIC at the moment? Then again, DIC's parent company is DHX, which has Studio B which of course animated FiM.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:32 pm

DIC is long gone,they were bought out by cookie jar, which as mentioned was bought by DHX who makes MLP. So really there's no reason the HUB can't air mask, or any of the other old DIC toons, my guess is they just don't want to. :pinkieshrug: :pinkieshrug:

Although having Sonic SATAM or inspector Gadget on the HUB would be awesome IMO. :allears: :awesomedash:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:48 pm

Huh...I did not know that. Does this mean that the Hub owns the entire DIC library? If so, they should really use at least some of it for programming.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:56 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Huh...I did not know that. Does this mean that the Hub owns the entire DIC library? If so, they should really use at least some of it for programming.


No, they would have to buy the rights to air them just like with anything else.

I guess I should have been more thourough in my post.

What I meant was is given Hasbros Realationship with DHX it would probably be pretty easy to buy the rights to air DIC shows, but my guess is they just don't want to for some reason. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:40 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:
No, they would have to buy the rights to air them just like with anything else.

I guess I should have been more thourough in my post.

What I meant was is given Hasbros Realationship with DHX it would probably be pretty easy to buy the rights to air DIC shows, but my guess is they just don't want to for some reason. :pinkieshrug:


DHX is in fact the distributor of DIC shows now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DHX_Media_programs
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:35 pm

That's what ah said. :-P

But yeah The HUB did air Carmen Sandeigo when they first started, but I guess it didn't do well enough to justify airing others? Dunno. :pinkieshrug:
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