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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:06 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:I...highly doubt they'll do that mortality episode. It seems like it's way too heavy stuff to be in the show...


I don't see that kind of episode ever happening either, though I'm also not so sure the whole "Twilight outlives all her friends" scenario would necessarily happen anyway. Star Swirl and Sombra both lived/survived for some crazy number of years, and neither one of them was/is an Alicorn Princess. When you've got magic on your side (say, The Elements of Harmony for example) who's to say how long you could last?
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:35 am

I think McCarthy specifically said at one point that they're not touching that with a ten-foot pole anyway, for that matter.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:44 am

I will never understand people's obsession with the "Twilight will outlive her friends" meme.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:47 am

Headless Horse wrote:I think McCarthy specifically said at one point that they're not touching that with a ten-foot pole anyway, for that matter.


"Hey kids, remember that pretty purple pony who became a Princess? Well one day she'll be 100 years old and all her friends will be dead, leaving her isolated and alone! Maybe forever!"

Yeah, I see her point.

Tailspin wrote:I will never understand people's obsession with the "Twilight will outlive her friends" meme.


I guess a lot of fans really like angst.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:50 am

Tailspin wrote:I will never understand people's obsession with the "Twilight will outlive her friends" meme.


I won't either. It's far too depressing and serious for a children's show...I can't imagine the target audience taking it well. Death is a very sensitive topic and you have to be very careful in how you show it...hence why MLP will never do it.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:09 pm

Yeah it's a stupid meme.

And as I've said before, all cartoon characters are technically immortal as long as there are people to write stories about them. :-P


And really there's no proof any Alicorns other then Celestia & Luna are like that.



But yea, that's one of those things that seems to just be dark fan speculation


As far as I'm concerned it's irrelivant to the actual cartoon/comic
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:46 pm

We've seen Cadance age as an Alicorn. I imagine that Twilight and her are not the same type of beings as Celestia and Luna, who are confirmed to be near-immortal, having been born as Alicorns.

Star Swirl's longevity was explained via time travel. And I think was mostly done so they could do that Celestia/Luna book without giving any indication of how long before Discord and Nightmare Moon it was.

As for Sombra, I don't know if you can say he is long lived. He was frozen/trapped in the phantom zone/etc. so I don't know if that counts. And we don't get a proper timeline with Mirror Sombro, since they say time moved differently.
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Postby InC (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:23 pm

Meghan also spelled out "Twilight will not outlive her friends" iirc but even if we get into headcanon territory, it would make much more sense for the entire Mane Six to be just as long-lived as Twilight (however much that is). The ponies themselves have become the replacement for the Elements of Harmony and when you add the S4 finale and what we've seen of the S5 premiere, that would be a lot of wasted energy from the forces of horse destiny if they had to train new sets of chosen ones and have tacky magical castles sprouting everywhere every few decades. I could definitely see the Mane Six having unnatural longevity, although there's no point in addressing it the show. Plus, everyone does need to pretend the mane six aren't much more than regular ponies most of the times for the slice of life episodes to work, and "I'm the immortal avatar of generosity, please buy my stuff" might be kind of awkward. :-I
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:31 pm

Another thing to take into account is in works of fiction time only matters when relivant to the story. Weeks passed in episode Twilight Time, and months in Daring Don't. And all they did was serve as a device for the plot.

No matter how much time passes, the ponies will always be young in the show, just like their human counterparts will most likely always be teenagers, just like Archie Andrews is always a teen in the main Archie continuity, or Bart always a kid in Simpsons.

Hell they could have a 1000 years pass in cannon time and have every pony mane, minor & background look the same and just go :twiright: we're a civilization of magic Talkin ponies, ain't gotta explain shit, deal with it. If they wanted to. :-P


On a more light hearted note however, one legitimate worry I do have for season 5 is that we might get less focus on The Apple Family, CMC & Spike if the mane six are busy spreading the magic of friendship across Equestria.

And speaking of that angle...

:v: Hello Sir, do you have the time to hear about the magic of friendship?

:unenthused: not interested *slams door*

:-/ This is not as fun as I had originally imagined....
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:36 pm

InC wrote:Meghan also spelled out "Twilight will not outlive her friends"


:sweetielarm: TWILIGHT DIES :sweetielarm:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:41 pm

InC wrote:Meghan also spelled out "Twilight will not outlive her friends" iirc but even if we get into headcanon territory, it would make much more sense for the entire Mane Six to be just as long-lived as Twilight (however much that is). The ponies themselves have become the replacement for the Elements of Harmony and when you add the S4 finale and what we've seen of the S5 premiere, that would be a lot of wasted energy from the forces of horse destiny if they had to train new sets of chosen ones and have tacky magical castles sprouting everywhere every few decades. I could definitely see the Mane Six having unnatural longevity, although there's no point in addressing it the show. Plus, everyone does need to pretend the mane six aren't much more than regular ponies most of the times for the slice of life episodes to work, and "I'm the immortal avatar of generosity, please buy my stuff" might be kind of awkward. :-I


So maybe the others are going to become alicorns after all. I mean Larson is returning to the show. :gotcha:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:45 pm

I expect some of the members of the Mane 6 would worry about outliving members of thier family, such as Applebloom, Sweetie Belle and Shining Armor.

:spike101: I guess you guys have forgotten...dragon naps alone take 100 years.

:-/ Quiet you.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:50 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:I expect some of the members of the Mane 6 would worry about outliving members of thier family, such as Applebloom, Sweetie Belle and Shining Armor.

:spike101: I guess you guys have forgotten...dragon naps alone take 100 years.

:-/ Quiet you.


The real kicker is Granny Smith will probably outlive everyone, even Celestia.

:granny: 100 million years old and still kickin!

*complete silence of a barren planet*

:granny: ..... Damn I'm bored!
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:51 pm

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The difference is that Pinkie Pie wins. All Skeletor can do is sit in his big snake-shaped rock and blame his subordinates for his own failure.

A depressed Skeletor would be the strangest darn thing.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:52 pm

Wildfire wrote:
So maybe the others are going to become alicorns after all. I mean Larson is returning to the show. :gotcha:

Honestly, I still would like this to happen, at least once the series finale is reached. It's obvious that all six of them are incredibly important to Equestria and to harmony in general.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:02 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Honestly, I still would like this to happen, at least once the series finale is reached. It's obvious that all six of them are incredibly important to Equestria and to harmony in general.



I doubt Applejack would want to be an Alicorn, she seems to take pride in being an earthpony.

:eyebrow: so ahh, yeah. Can you like, maybe I dunno, still give me the godlike powers, but, like, not the horns n wings.... I mean no offense princesses, but, Havin both seems kinda....gaudy.



And yeah. Still gotta disagree on that point, making all six Alicorns would be really really stupid IMHO. Rainbow power/being living incarnations of the elements of Harmony is enough.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:03 pm

Harvesting apples is a lot easier with wings and magic though. Production will increase tenfold! :twasnothin:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:11 pm

Lol.

But yea, the mane problem with the "everyone becomes an Alicorn". Theory though is that it goes completly against the message of the show. The show works because you have a group of six ponies of different lifestyles and different breeds living together as friends. An Alicorn. A unicorn, two Pegausi and two earth ponies coming together despite all their differences on the commonground of shared ponyhood fighting the good fight . You need that diversity , even at the very end. If you don't have it, you're giving a big middle finger to everything you did up unto that point!


What the mane six represent is far more important then what rewards for their deeds fans think they deserve.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:16 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote: No matter how much time passes, the ponies will always be young in the show, just like their human counterparts will most likely always be teenagers, just like Archie Andrews is always a teen in the main Archie continuity, or Bart always a kid in Simpsons.


Well, not sure either of these are perfect examples... :v:

Meaning, this show (like any show) might choose to show a future/time-skip/speculative setting. Hell, in Magic Duel of all places we got a fleeting glimpse of acknowledgment that one day Applejack will be an old, old pony.

And calling this whole thing a "stupid meme" I think does a disservice to the realism with which every other aspect of the characters' lives is treated. we know ponies are born, age, and die; we've seen all of these things happen. And we've explicitly witnessed events that lead to some of them ascending to a status where they may or may not be immortal. The show might not ever want to address the ramifications of this in any more detail than they have, but that doesn't mean the concept ought to be dismissed outright. Kids will be asking these very questions, after all. They're not stupid (that's kind of the whole point of the show being what it is). They don't need grimdark emotional smacks across the face, but they will notice the difficulties inherent in some of the choices the writers have made, just like any of us will.

We don't need to go nuts with it either, but I think there's some powerful emotional catharsis (or at least fun) available there for those who want to partake in it.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:35 pm

The fact that age magic even exists is further proof anypony could be immortal, if you have strong enough magic or enough bits to pay someone who knows the spell to use it on you....

But again it's a moot point, even with things like time travel, alternate dimensions, etc, in the confines of the a actual show, the characters will always be young hereos, so any debate about the longevity or lack there of, of a fictional character is still irrelevant to the actual product IMO.

Anywho, 2 days till Friends Forever 8 comes out, I can't wait!!! :awesomedash:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:36 pm

And calling this whole thing a "stupid meme" I think does a disservice to the realism with which every other aspect of the characters' lives is treated.


Because it is a stupid meme. People just want some cheap "oh woe is me, i'm immortal, everyone will wither and die while i'll live forever" angsting that will never happen because no one gives a shit about whether Twilight is or isn't immortal and it will never be adressed.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:00 pm

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Because it is a stupid meme. People just want some cheap "oh woe is me, i'm immortal, everyone will wither and die while i'll live forever" angsting that will never happen because no one gives a shit about whether Twilight is or isn't immortal and it will never be adressed.

The fact that some people over-dramatize it like that is stupid, yes, but I don't think that merely considering the age and situation of Twilight and the others is stupid on its own. And I don't think the show will ever address their deaths, but there's a million other things that I don't think the show will address that we still frequently talk about.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:13 pm

Wildfire wrote:
So maybe the others are going to become alicorns after all. I mean Larson is returning to the show. :gotcha:


The next episode Larson writes, I want every single background pony to have horns and wings. And I want -nobody- in-show to notice or care about this. :gotcha:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:29 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:
:sweetielarm: TWILIGHT DIES :sweetielarm:


Given the ambiguity of her wording I choose to believe it was an epic troll on the entire fandom :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:33 pm

Yeah, they were definitely trying to wind people up with that. Wonder if it worked.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:51 pm

Season 5 Premiere: An ancient magical asteroid is hurtling toward Equestria after a thousand-year slumber in the orbit of Saturn. Can Princess Twilight and her newly-Alicornified friends stop this latest threat? :starity:

...

As it turns out, they can't. The asteroid hits, everypony dies, and Twilight doesn't have to worry about outliving her friends. The end!

Roll credits.

"Written by M.A. Larson" :gotcha:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:02 pm

:twiright: We won't get any older and we won't ever die.

:evil: Love that movie...
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:04 pm

Oh, Cocoon...I love that movie. Yeah, I can definitely see the alicorns being like that.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:28 pm

The one instance of death that I think the show could handle is an elderly person passing away. Maybe they won't kill off Granny Smith, but I could see an episode where another grandparent or some old timer is introduced and ends up passing away.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:41 pm

Well, Sweetie did crash a funeral in one episode...
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Was that really a funeral? I know they had the casket there but...
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:01 pm

TheNegaverser wrote:Season 5 Premiere: An ancient magical asteroid is hurtling toward Equestria after a thousand-year slumber in the orbit of Saturn. Can Princess Twilight and her newly-Alicornified friends stop this latest threat? :starity:

...

As it turns out, they can't. The asteroid hits, everypony dies, and Twilight doesn't have to worry about outliving her friends. The end!

Roll credits.

"Written by M.A. Larson" :gotcha:


Sorry, Thanos is not showing up in Equestria.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:11 pm

Can we get Bruce Willis to guest star as a character and blow up the asteroid with Steve Buscemi pony?
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:13 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Was that really a funeral? I know they had the casket there but...

What else would it be tho?

:-/ "I really think a memento mori theme is a bit inappropriate for a bar mitzvah."
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Postby Dragongem (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:15 pm

TheNegaverser wrote:Season 5 Premiere: An ancient magical asteroid is hurtling toward Equestria after a thousand-year slumber in the orbit of Saturn. Can Princess Twilight and her newly-Alicornified friends stop this latest threat? :starity:

...

As it turns out, they can't. The asteroid hits, everypony dies, and Twilight doesn't have to worry about outliving her friends. The end!

Roll credits.

"Written by M.A. Larson" :gotcha:



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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:40 pm

Tailspin wrote:
Because it is a stupid meme. People just want some cheap "oh woe is me, i'm immortal, everyone will wither and die while i'll live forever" angsting that will never happen because no one gives a shit about whether Twilight is or isn't immortal and it will never be adressed.


Needs to be grimdark, that's what people think. My Little Pony needs to be grittier and edgier. :-I
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:12 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Yeah it's a stupid meme.


As with all things, it depends upon how it's approached, and your own personal tastes. And also probably how much Highlander you've watched. True True Friends Until the Very End is the best story on the subject matter that I'm aware of and have read (and it actually deliberately subverts the "woe is me" trope).

The subject matter isn't grimdark in and of itself unless the story is, but even then, grimdark is not a synonym for bad*. And, since it's something that the show will never touch upon, that makes it fertile ground for fics to explore - and they're not wrong for doing so.

Having said that, the official line from DHX/Hasbro is that "Twilight Sparkle won't outlive her friends."

You will note, I hope, that that is not the same thing as saying that Twilight isn't immortal.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:32 pm

Then again, the grimdarkness seems to be everything on the internet. I'm pretty sure there's people writing grimdark Spongebob stories.
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:42 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Then again, the grimdarkness seems to be everything on the internet. I'm pretty sure there's people writing grimdark Spongebob stories.


There's also cuteness where there was none.

If something's bright and shiny, then yes, the Internet will make it grimdark. But if something is grimdark, the Internet will make it bright and fluffy.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:45 pm

Well, yeah, that's the other side of the coin. :v:
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