S05E08: The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone

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Re: S05E08: The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone

Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 4:37 am

Fatty griffon means there's more fluff to hug!
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 4:51 am

Headless Horse wrote:Whoa, really? I'd like to see some side-by-side comparisons if this is a real thing.

Ehhhhh....
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 4:52 am

Headless Horse wrote:
Whoa, really? I'd like to see some side-by-side comparisons if this is a real thing.


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I'd say she's managed to stay in pretty good shape.

EDIT: Beaten!
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:00 am

Gilda looks pudgey in S1 whenever she is at an angle and the slimming curve of her stomach isn't showing, the perception of Gilda being more pudgey in this is probably because they're using a lot more angles and less plain straight on shots than they were in Season 1.

Edit: It looks like her beak did go through a redesign, it looks bigger to me.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:01 am

The Outlander wrote:I'm really happy that they didn't end up getting the gold statue back and sending a weird mixed message or anything. As soon as I saw it in the chasm, I just knew they weren't going to get it.


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"I can almost reach it, dad!"

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"Gilda..."

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"Gilda...."

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"Let it go."
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Postby Corpy (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:05 am

So the message of Gilda's first episode was: sometimes your friends are jerks to your other friend.

Today's episode: sometimes entire cultures and/or races are jerks.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:10 am

Durandal wrote:
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"I can almost reach it, dad!"

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"Gilda..."

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"Gilda...."

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"Let it go."


I love when the show perfectly does references like this. If you've never seen Indiana Jones, it's still a really good moment.
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:16 am

Corpy wrote:So the message of Gilda's first episode was: sometimes your friends are jerks to your other friend.

Today's episode: sometimes entire cultures and/or races are jerks.


I'd say it's more 'living in poverty without means to escape it sometimes makes you seem like a jerk'
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:50 am

kefkafloyd wrote:
ahem, that is MY pun

this was a multigoon production. I wrote it (with some contributions by haller), haller did the video, octavia did the music, Aramek did the singing

you don't want to hear the secret outtake version with me singing. :v:

Ahem, my apologies.

And yes, I think it's obvious that Griffonstone griffons (and to be fair, we only really have them to compare against...Gustav!) are jerks and greedy. I'm pretty sure everyone in town was basically trying to make enough money to leave, aside from the local criminal element /headcanon.

Actually, with no king, does Griffonstone even have a functional government? Or even a dysfunctional one?
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:57 am

@ SlateSlabrock

Don't forget... Ransom's link even says "Ignoring the scepticism of Herodotus, Strabo and Pliny's Natural History perpetuated the fables about the northern people who had a single eye in the center of their foreheads and engaged in stealing gold from the griffins, causing disagreements between the two groups."


Bakertoons wrote:Anyone notice that they're seem to be making fun of the show's tropes this season? This episode alone had Gilda sarcastically mentioning that the secret ingredient is friendship (actually baking soda), and Rainbow saying that Pinkie's moral was "sappy".

The show's been running for so long they can do this now.


If I remember rightly, they did this way back in S1 - In Feeling Pinkie Keen, Spike says "Gross, when did you become so cheesy?" after Twilight dictates the letter to Celestia.


Also, Doc - Don't suppose you remember King Grover? He was plot relevant in the Celestia chapter book!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:06 am

Knight Dash wrote:Also, Doc - Don't suppose you remember King Grover? He was plot relevant in the Celestia chapter book!


Wow, good catch! He gifted the hourglass to Monacolt.

And both items turned out to be symbolic and not magical at all. I wonder where that Idea originated? AKR or Berrows. I can't imagine that's a coincidence.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:19 am

Thanks! My memory might be helped by the fact that I'm currently (..intermittently..) working on making a page on the book for the MLP Wiki.

By the way, off topic... I never got back to you on a couple things from before. Firstly, I haven't watched Doctor Who, but I knew enough about it to recognize the connections in your avatar/title/handle. The only reason I had to ask was, well, on EQD and Twitter you're called "DrForester" and have a pic of a guy who looks like he could have a PhD. (Though I don't know if the pic's actually you)

Secondly, was curious but never asked (probably since the conversation'd drifted by then) - When you said you were training to be a pilot. Commercial or military? If you don't mind my asking.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:25 am

Knight Dash wrote:Thanks! My memory might be helped by the fact that I'm currently (..intermittently..) working on making a page on the book for the MLP Wiki.

By the way, off topic... I never got back to you on a couple things from before. Firstly, I haven't watched Doctor Who, but I knew enough about it to recognize the connections in your avatar/title/handle. The only reason I had to ask was, well, on EQD and Twitter you're called "DrForester" and have a pic of a guy who looks like he could have a PhD. (Though I don't know if the pic's actually you)

Secondly, was curious but never asked (probably since the conversation'd drifted by then) - When you said you were training to be a pilot. Commercial or military? If you don't mind my asking.


The picture is of Dr. Forrester, a character from a 90's TV show called Mystery Science Theater 3000. Absolutely fantastic show if you've never seen it. As for piloting, I'm going for a commercial license.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:29 am

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Just want to point out: acorns on the scones.

Griffon architecture: literally birdhouses.
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I'm wondering about the carved-out entrances to the houses. A symbol of scraping bark from the trees? Or maybe a reference to griffons' eye markings?
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I think this is the first time we've seen Gilda's claws.
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Twilight is a great artist.
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Gilda has heard this speech before!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:38 am

Ha, that Indy reference was clever. Also, did you notice that Gilda's grandfather resembles a vulture?
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:49 am

The Doctor wrote:
The picture is of Dr. Forrester, a character from a 90's TV show called Mystery Science Theater 3000. Absolutely fantastic show if you've never seen it. As for piloting, I'm going for a commercial license.


MS3TK, huh? Haven't seen it, you're right. Most of what I know about it adds up to:

1) The MS3TK Mantra (thanks, TVTropes :P)

2) Manos: The Hands of Fate
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 6:58 am

Knight Dash wrote:
MS3TK, huh? Haven't seen it, you're right. Most of what I know about it adds up to:

1) The MS3TK Mantra (thanks, TVTropes :P)

2) Manos: The Hands of Fate


Most episodes are on YouTube.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:01 am

Check it out if you haven't seen it, it's hilarious and easily accessible.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:05 am

Will do, thanks. :)
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:13 am

I want My Little Griffon
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:27 am

OMG this episode, I've literally been waiting four years for this episode to happen and it's everything I could have asked for and more. Also more of Pinkie and Dashie paling around. The Griffon kingdom actually appears and holy shit it got more lore and back story than most of the towns in Equestria. And best of all Gilda comes back and mends the broken bond from her last appearance. Even after my first viewing of Griffon the Brush Off years ago I felt the ending was awkward and depressing. Despite being the most jerky of jerks Gilda's friendship with Dash felt really genuine and likewise she seemed betrayed when Dash took Pinkies' side instead of hers. Having a long friendship broken over a misunderstanding felt contrary to the show's message.

I'm so glad they so finally resolved this in a believable manner while also giving some extra depth to Gilda in the original episode. We learn that she wasn't being a jerk and a thief just because it's in her nature but because it was some thing she developed living in a society that's gone to shit generations ago and now value's personal gain over the well being of others. Just the fact that Gilda was able to sustain a real friendship with Dash despite her attitude towards others shows that she's far more capable of learning and teaching the lesson of friendship to the rest of Griffonstone than anyone else. Also tiny Gilda destroyed my heart and I couldn't be happier :awesomedash: . So far this season has been batting for the fences with every episode and hitting the Goodyear blimp most of the time.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 10:07 am

Yeah that was alright, I was glad to see Gilda turn again, as I was hoping.

Griffonstone looked like it ought to be condemned, made me wonder why the residents don't just abandon the place. It ought to be bulldozed :v:

Gilda was shown in the flashback to be a very fast flyer (or at least she used to be), no wonder she and RD were/are mates.

First time we've seen the pegasi who call RD "rainbow crash" for a long time, I think?

"EXCEPT IT DOOOOOEEEESSSS!!!!" :amazing:

It'd be interesting to revisit Griffonstone a few seasons down the line and see how Gilda's got on with spreading friendship and rebuilding the city. I think she's got her work cut out, to be honest. :gotcha:
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 10:22 am

I noticed we're seeing the train going by at this particular angle and hearing the "map quest" theme from TCM once again! I'm guessing this will be a common theme for map episodes?

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Also, I love all the variation we're seeing in the griffons' bird heads. Along with Grandpa Gruff being a vulture, this guy's an owl:

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Open the oven with front hoof, grab the tray with mouth, close oven with back hoof. There's loads of ways they could've animated a scene like that, but I like that they did it in a way that makes it seem effortless.


This is so damn cute. :awesomedash: The animation in this episode felt like a step above somehow.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 11:12 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Twilight is a great artist.
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Considering Rainbow Dash's level of artistic ability (see TT123), maybe she scribbled that on the cover.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 11:20 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Considering Rainbow Dash's level of artistic ability (see TT123), maybe she scribbled that on the cover.


You might be onto something here. Twilight's flashcards:

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Rainbow's... "portrait":

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 1:16 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:"EXCEPT IT DOOOOOEEEESSSS!!!!" :amazing:


Pinkie has obviously broken the fourth wall before (sadtrombone.wav, the felt check mark, etc); but is this the first time she's actually addressed the audience?


Anyway, one thing I thought was interesting was that while the writers did present the path forward for Gilda as being fairly simplistic—"just be nice and do generous things and eventually they'll come around"—they also at the same time made it clear that this won't be a formula for easy success, and she's going to meet a lot of pushback. It's easy to say "just be nice" and show someone immediately reciprocating, roll credits. But the way this episode did it was to illustrate that even though it's in Gilda's nature to be helpful, griffon society is so mistrustful that Greta shrugs Gilda off when she tries to help her up, probably assuming Gilda is angling for something in return. The other griffon at the end, similarly, takes some cajoling before she'll even try a scone, and it isn't until it's clear Gilda isn't actually going to be all TWO BITS PLEASE that she actually warms up a little.

If kids in real life take this message to heart, they'll probably also absorb that following this example won't be easy, and they'll get rejected a few times, but they should keep at it and not get discouraged. That's easier said than done, especially for the kind of kids whose behavior is likely to be swayed by a pony cartoon.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 1:46 pm

Furthermore, I believe this has the most amount of fourth wall breaks, at 3. :spike101:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 1:47 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Pinkie has obviously broken the fourth wall before (sadtrombone.wav, the felt check mark, etc); but is this the first time she's actually addressed the audience?

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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 1:55 pm

That, and when she grabbed the camera and yelled at us after Discord ordered all the cakes.

He should've ordered forty cakes.

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The swap was due to "scheduling higgledy piggledy" or something like that.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 2:23 pm

That's as many as four tens! :awesomedash:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 2:55 pm

Larson wrote parts of Griffonstone without a credit, I wonder if AKR wrote a few parts of Ep. 100. :ponder:
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Postby acksed (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 3:24 pm

Cute, funny and even epic. Even if the rest of the series tanks, I feel we're finally getting the adventure serial I imagined we'd be getting at the start. :awesomedash:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 4:34 pm

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:-/ "What the heck is this? A village for ants?"

:v: "It has to be, like... at least three times bigger than this!"
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Postby theGECK (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:32 pm

:awesomedash: I love the adventure stuff! Dragonshy is still one of my favorite episodes; I'm a sucker for these sorts of things!

Perpetual Lurker wrote:I like that the map sent them to Griffonstone more or less just to patch up Rainbow Dash's relationship with Gilda. It almost make me think that the map cares about the betterment of the mane 6 and their understanding of friendship just as much as it does about fixing things elsewhere.


:smirk: Hm...isn't the rainbow power from the end of season 4 powered by friendship? Could this be a leveling up of rainbow power, creating friends throughout the land? In Ep. 1-2 they leave ponies to make a friendly town out of one that had been unfriendly, and now in Ep. 8 we're seeing the same thing. If rainbow power and the map are linked, could "friends around the world" be what we're building up to at the end of the season?

And guess what? I thought there wasn't an episode this week! I'm so happy to be wrong!
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:41 pm

theGECK wrote::awesomedash: I love the adventure stuff!


You and me both! Adventure, worldbuilding... This episode was right up my alley.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:48 pm

Yeah, these kind of adventure episodes are awesome. Something's telling me that Rarity might have something to do in the next Map episode.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 7:09 pm

theGECK wrote:And guess what? I thought there wasn't an episode this week! I'm so happy to be wrong!

For reference, there will be no new episode this coming Saturday (May 30; instead, they're showing EqG stuff for some reason) nor the Saturday after that (June 6). The next new episode is currently set to air on June 13.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 10:05 pm

It will be quite a wait (though not as exasperating as Gravity Falls), OTOH few animated shows make it to episode number 100.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 10:13 pm

Just wondering. Anyone feel that, after seeing this episode, the ending of "Griffon the Brush Off" feels depressing in hindsight?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 24, 2015 10:23 pm

Niels Olof wrote:OTOH few animated shows make it to episode number 100.

As Bakertoons pointed out in last week's episode thread, with the airing of this episode FiM has officially become the longest-running Hasbro cartoon ever. :party:
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