Re: S04E12: Pinkie Pride
E: Apparently I started page 13.

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Headless Horse wrote:I guess the stance I'm trying to take is this:
I notice the lyrical problems in pony songs, but they don't really bug me; I enjoy the songs just fine, and I just accept the flaws as part of the flavor of the show.
But when I see a show or a movie or a musical where the lyrics are woven into an amazing and intricate and flawless tapestry, I feel like I can appreciate and enjoy it on a level far more intense than I would have if I hadn't known what to look for. For instance, Wylie, just as it kills you to hear someone singing off key or a high school band with a horn section that can't hold the high register without cracking all to shit, it kills me to hear that someone listened to "Prince Ali" without ever realizing how much gorgeous complexity there was in that one counterpoint verse.
But such people enjoy the songs (and the movie) anyway. It's all bonus; and knowing that so much of the intended audience is never going to notice most of that bonus stuff either, it makes me feel the same way to discover it as it made me feel to see a My Little Pony show being this lavishly animated and this cleverly written and this earnestly funny, targeted at six-year-olds and broadcast in the middle of the day on a backwater off-package cable channel. It's like, who are you showing off to? Who are you trying to impress? Or are you doing this just because you love what you're doing THAT much?
E:N'hey
Headless Horse wrote:For instance, Wylie, just as it kills you to hear someone singing off key or a high school band with a horn section that can't hold the high register without cracking all to shit, it kills me to hear that someone listened to "Prince Ali" without ever realizing how much gorgeous complexity there was in that one counterpoint verse.
Wylie wrote:
Aha! We have identified the difference between us, then! (I mean, aside from word density)
I can hear the complexity in something like "Prince Ali", or "Quartet" from Chess, or any of the incredibly wordy parts of Phantom (i.e. "Prima Donna"), and I can appreciate the artistry it takes to achieve, but as it's going by, I can't process all of it. I have to go back and listen several times to tease apart all the different lines playing against each other, and it's hard work. It's rewarding, but it's hard. And for me, sometimes it's a bit too much- I just wanted to hear a song, and you handed me a sound puzzle. Can't I just have a song?
The first time I hear a song like that, I'm thinking, "Well, that's certainly nice, but I have no idea what's going on in those other voices, so I'm just going to let it wash over me and get the gist of it."
I'm reminded of a Blue Man Group show I saw where they did something very similar, but with spoken words and projected text in the theater and electric signs (and oddly-shaped percussion, of course) where the design was to just overwhelm you with input so that there was no way to pay attention to everything that was going on- while everything was begging for your attention. (In other news, I get to see Blue Man Group tomorrow night!)
Perpetual Lurker wrote:Here's what I'm never able to get. In cases like this, why is it that the subjective quality of the music always goes down the more educated you are on the subject? I mean, it almost seems like being taught all of these rules that must be adhered to makes it harder to enjoy music that doesn't do it perfectly, while those who don't know about those rules don't hear the problem, and thus enjoy the music more.
PictishBeast wrote: It's like if Kefka's 1040s were printed in Papyrus.
Niels Olof wrote:Now, noble birth alone is no guarantee for wealth, not now, and not back in the day, either. What is clear is that Princess Twilight Sparkle is not throwing her money, if any, around. Her only extravagant gesture seems to be her balloon (and that could standard government issue, for all we know. Perhaps she's on a generous stipend). This could be consistent with old money, or just a comfortable, but not excessive, amount of available funds.
Wylie wrote:I know, right? I'm a musician myself- I play Horn in my local community band, and bass guitar in a small group. And it is absolutely painful for me to listen to a high-school band, because there's inevitably intonation problems that they just simply can't solve and IT HURTS MY BRAIN AAAH![]()
Kitty Kate wrote:As long as you believe in yourself, darling, every pizza is a personal pizza
Wylie wrote:To get back toand away from lyricchat and fontchat, this season really has been killing it. I remember threads like "Have we reached Peak Pony???" like they were ages and ages ago.
Whatever they're doing, they're doing well. I want them to keep doing it.
PictishBeast wrote:Take game design. If you understand the language of game design (not the programming language, but rather the communication between creator and player), it makes video games more fascinating and helps articulate why some games work better than others.
PictishBeast wrote:It gets a lot of criticism, but I think TV Tropes is an excellent tool for understanding the overall cross-media language of storytelling.
Wylie wrote:To get back toand away from lyricchat and fontchat, this season really has been killing it. I remember threads like "Have we reached Peak Pony???" like they were ages and ages ago.
Whatever they're doing, they're doing well. I want them to keep doing it.
PictishBeast wrote:Take game design. If you understand the language of game design (not the programming language, but rather the communication between creator and player), it makes video games more fascinating and helps articulate why some games work better than others.
ask me about your favorite gamePictishBeast wrote:Take game design. If you understand the language of game design (not the programming language, but rather the communication between creator and player), it makes video games more fascinating and helps articulate why some games work better than others.
1000%Sind wrote:Yup. And the really fun art is when you start designing your own games(i.e. putting your experience in critiquing to use). Especially if you're into problem-solving.
kefkafloyd wrote:So, Semper Pies, are you bad enough partiers to be on this week's RT?
(it's not xclusive to Semper Pies but it would be great to have Pinkie fans and their opinions)
Grilox wrote:"Yes Grilox would have an avatar of the worst scene in ponies of course" - Throbulator, 2012
Discord wrote:I can't get over the Spanish piñata song in Goof-Off. Like, the Weird-Al Smile nod was pretty darn funny, but it is the kind of joke you would expect them to make in a Weird-Al special. But then Pinkie Pie starts singing in Spanish and you probably have no idea what that even means until after the episode, unless you`re familiar with that particular piece of fairly non-mainstream culture (either that, or I`m just really out of touch).
I seriously want to know how that idea reached conceptualization. I imagine there would have to be an amusing or interesting anecdote for it.
Discord wrote:I can't get over the Spanish piñata song in Goof-Off. Like, the Weird-Al Smile nod was pretty darn funny, but it is the kind of joke you would expect them to make in a Weird-Al special. But then Pinkie Pie starts singing in Spanish and you probably have no idea what that even means until after the episode, unless you`re familiar with that particular piece of fairly non-mainstream culture (either that, or I`m just really out of touch).
Fizzbuzz wrote:Speaking of Diamond Tiara, can I just point out again how much of an asshole she is, even to her one friend?
Headless Horse wrote:E:N'hey
Wylie wrote: It's rewarding, but it's hard. And for me, sometimes it's a bit too much- I just wanted to hear a song, and you handed me a sound puzzle. Can't I just have a song?
The Doctor wrote:Al sings a quick verse of it in a polka melody during the goof off song, and Pinkie notes that it's his song. It was a very well done meta joke about the guest actor.
About the 1:05 mark
"Why should you compromise
Try this one on for size
'Cause nothing quite says 'cheer' like the ringing in your ear of the Cheese supreme cannon ball surprise"
Boss Hogg's Chicken Dinner wrote:Weird al didn't say Twinkie Weiner sandwich but, if he had I might have died from joy so it's for the best.
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