S04E15: Twilight Time

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Re: S04E15: Twilight Time

Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:19 pm

Stuff wrote:Luna: Grilled cheese princess


Ahh, right...

Image Cake Princess

:wingsright: Burger Princess

:speakest: Grilled Cheese Princess

:allright: ???
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:20 pm

The Doctor wrote:Image Cake Princess

:wingsright: Burger Princess

:speakest: ???

:allright: ???


Obviously Luna would be Moon Pies & Cadence Candy Hearts :gotcha:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:20 pm

Yeah, I think Pinkie was just eating there. I don't think she was being a waitress.

Believe it or not, what I liked about the restaurant scene were a couple of stallions in the background just eating their food while Twilight is pigging out in front of them. Like, a Princess being a sloppy eater isn't unusual for them.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:20 pm

MochaBean wrote:Twilight's a growing princess, so she needs all the grub she can get. :sheepish:

It's a side effect of the alicorn transformation. Her body is demanding more nutrition from her increase in mass and magic reserve. *Cue Twilight is still growing speculation* :ponynet:

Stream cut in and out a bit, but I liked that the CMC seemed to progress. I think this episode is probably the proper way to handle Twilight's newfound notoriety.

Actually a little disappointed Twilight didn't keep teaching all the fillies in town though. Twilight School would be awesome.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:20 pm

:allright: I like nachos! Who can make me some?

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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:21 pm

Even though it has matured since the earlier seasons, Sweetie Belle's voice (and the occasional squeak) never fail to bring a smile to my face!

Mad props to Claire Corlett for pulling off adorable like nobody else can! :ohboy:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:22 pm

One thing worth considering is that this isn't the first time we've seen Scootaloo doing mechanical stuff. One Bad Apple had her doing a lot of work sabotaging that float, enough to where the episode even made a joke about her getting a cutie mark for that. Maybe she will end up building and maintaining scooters, bicycles, etc., in between riding them.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:23 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:
Obviously Luna would be Moon Pies & Cadence Candy Hearts :gotcha:


Nope, it is Grilled Cheese Princess for Luna, I forgot about the HUB doing this.

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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:23 pm

So, there's some interesting Celestia and Twilight parallels here. Like, you could totally rewrite this episode as a Season 1 episode where nerdy Twilight accidentally lets her access to Princess Celestia get out of control in pretty much the same way. Twilight is playing the role of the calm and benevolent teacher, who can get upset, but never yells and is good at dealing with crises with aplomb.

Celestia : The Mane 6 :: Twilight : Very small children

Taken from that point of view, you can explain away both the sudden celebrityness of Twilight (the adults remember her as a normal pony and treat her as such. The kids, having very little exposure to her until now, treat her as something new and interesting) and why we the audience have a hard time seeing Twilight as unapproachable (We've seen all of Twilight's dorky moments. The characters haven't. Imagine, say, Trixie wandering up to the palace and being all 'Yo, Celestia, let's hang out'. It might work, but no one would consider doing it. )

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PonyHag714 wrote:My favorite scene was actually Twi chowing down. I like it because it makes her seem a little more easygoing than the other princesses--can you picture Celestia glomping food like that. :gotcha:


This is it exactly. If the show was about Celestia, we'd probably see all sorts of personal flaws and such, like messy eating or oversleeping and forgetting to raise the sun or something, but since Celestia is the mom-figure of the show, that isn't happening.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:27 pm

Can't articulate why I didn't enjoy this one more. Some fun faces, some humorous gags, but never really felt the :ponydrugs: today. It happens sometimes.

I dunno: weird pacing? Low emotional stakes? Laid-back line readings? I woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Maybe all of these things? :iiam:

But yeah, the restaurant scene was definitely the highlight.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:28 pm

Pretorius wrote:So, there's some interesting Celestia and Twilight parallels here. Like, you could totally rewrite this episode as a Season 1 episode where nerdy Twilight accidentally lets her access to Princess Celestia get out of control in pretty much the same way. Twilight is playing the role of the calm and benevolent teacher, who can get upset, but never yells and is good at dealing with crises with aplomb.

I was definitely very impressed with Twilight's manner here, particularly in how she taught the CMC by getting them to do the learning themselves. And yet it felt so natural for her. I feel like this is the sort of Twilight we've not really seen much of since S1, so my congratulations go to Dave Polsky here.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:29 pm

The only issue I have with the kids not knowing Twilight is that they're students and she's the librarian.

:excite: Ms. Cheerilee, you really should assign more books for the kids to read.

:iamapony: What? And teach the kids to be eggheads?

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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:32 pm

Cute episode. Not as exciting as some of the more recent CMC eps - it felt more like the S1 CMC, in a way. But it wasn't bad.

This probably should have been the first CMC episode of the season, in place of "Flight to the Finish". That would have made more sense, putting the Princess Twilight episode closer to "Princess Twilight" and the Equestria Games episode closer to the inevitable Equestria Games. I'll just assume they're not in chronological order here. :wingsright:

Can I just say that I really like the idea of potion-making Apple Bloom and mechanical Scootaloo? Both make sense in light of previous episodes, in which they have built things and made potions. Though the fandom has sometimes attributed the mechanical talents to AB, it works better for Scoots I think. And Apple Bloom making potions fits well with her relationship with Zecora, and it would also help the Apple family in obvious ways. It would have been nice to see a unique Sweetie Belle talent here too, but since her magic was something that needed to be addressed, just seeing Twilight tutoring her on that was nice.
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:33 pm

Pretorius wrote:So, there's some interesting Celestia and Twilight parallels here. Like, you could totally rewrite this episode as a Season 1 episode where nerdy Twilight accidentally lets her access to Princess Celestia get out of control in pretty much the same way. Twilight is playing the role of the calm and benevolent teacher, who can get upset, but never yells and is good at dealing with crises with aplomb.

Celestia : The Mane 6 :: Twilight : Very small children


I don't know, I think S1 Twilight would have been too humble/mature/afraid of Celestia to pull something like that. Maybe little filly Twilight in Canterlot, but even that's kind of doubtful.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:38 pm

Bravinim wrote:So your saying it should have been completely predictable?

(more so I mean)

To make the episode more emotional, yeah. Twi embarrasingly is one dimensional this episode.

And if the episode really was about what i said, it was sure muddled by the schoolyard stuff.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:39 pm

I thought the schoolyard stuff was really nice. We don't usually see any of the fillies in the show and this was a nice little display of them.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:44 pm

Speaking of which, there were some weird looking schoolponies. The one that really stuck out to me was this orange-ish one with green eyes and a weird build. There were others, too, like the one with a curiously chiseled jaw.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:45 pm

Wayoshi wrote:To make the episode more emotional, yeah. Twi embarrasingly is one dimensional this episode.

Really? If you want one-dimensional then look at Rainbow Falls. Twilight burgin the fuck out was huge when contrasted with her teaching earlier. And then in the end, with how she was prodding the CMC to learn not just actual skills but also social lessons, that really felt big to me compared to the bookish Twilight from past seasons.
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Postby Supersonic Shine (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:45 pm

The Doctor wrote:
Nope, it is Grilled Cheese Princess for Luna, I forgot about the HUB doing this.

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You think she'd be sick of it, considering she lived in a place made out of the stuff for a millennium.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:48 pm

Wayoshi wrote:To make the episode more emotional, yeah. Twi embarrasingly is one dimensional this episode.

And if the episode really was about what i said, it was sure muddled by the schoolyard stuff.


CMC unintentionally hurt others while trying to get their cuties marks is pretty much been there done that, and Ponyville Confidential was about as "emotional" as that idea is going get.


I guess if I had to criticize this episode for something, it's that the CMC have been peer pressured by Diamond Tiara so many times now that you'd think they'd start to realize that she's not worth the trouble.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:49 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Really? If you want one-dimensional then look at Rainbow Falls. Twilight burgin the fuck out was huge when contrasted with her teaching earlier. And then in the end, with how she was prodding the CMC to learn not just actual skills but also social lessons, that really felt big to me compared to the bookish Twilight from past seasons.


BurgerSparkle is a gag/quirk, not a character trait / dimension.

Also, Twi has been high & mighty, master of most social lessons all this season, it isn't particularly interesting. Twilight should be visibly really upset that the CMC were half-lying about their intentions of learning just to learn.

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And it was getting subverted pretty well in Act I, with the CMC bracing for the bullying. But then DT was flanderized and it all fell apart.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:06 pm

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BurgerSparkle is a gag/quirk, not a character trait / dimension.

I took that as an extension of her dorkiness in general. Sure, it was executed by means of a gag, but anyone (other than perhaps Pinkie Pie) doing that would've been weird.
Wayoshi wrote:Also, Twi has been high & mighty, master of most social lessons all this season, it isn't particularly interesting. Twilight should be visibly really upset that the CMC were half-lying about their intentions of learning just to learn.

Getting visibly upset just isn't the type of person she is, though. Remember her admonishment of Spike back in Owl's Well That Ends Well? She didn't flip out at him for what he did there. Instead, she made it clear why she was upset, much like she did with the CMC in this episode. I wouldn't expect her to fly into a rage the way some of the others might.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:09 pm

Not a groundbreaking episode by any means, but a nice CMC one. As Sweetie Belle is obviously the best of the CMC, it was delightful to see her take leadership—for better and for worse—as well as owning up as soon as the Princess discovered what had been going on.

I’ll have to see the episode again, but I think I like where they are going with Diamond Tiara. Still one of the best villains of the show, and assuredly the one with most stamina.

Now I desperately want to see Rarity and the Princess go dining together... :starity: Emoticons from this episode ought to include the Princess stuffing her face like it was going out of fashion.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:11 pm

Sobana wrote:Wasn't this supposed to be the rumored episode that David Tennant from Doctor Who was suppose to guess star in?

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Where did that thought come from?

Bit late prob got explained but itsS from an April fools episode summery
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Postby reidransom (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:12 pm

TheNegaverser wrote:Even though it has matured since the earlier seasons, Sweetie Belle's voice (and the occasional squeak) never fail to bring a smile to my face!

Mad props to Claire Corlett for pulling off adorable like nobody else can! :ohboy:


Ya, she's definitely sounding older generally, but I'm glad she can still do Squeaky Belle.


As for the episode, meh, it was alright. The occasional CMC focus episode adds a bit of variety to the show, but I feel they're best when they're either supporting the main cast (Sisterhooves, Chronicles) or being more supported by them (Sleepless). When they're either wholly or largely on their own, I feel it's a bit more hit or miss.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:15 pm

That was super cute, and we have actual progress in the abilities of the CMC. It will be cool if Sweetie Belle just casually uses magic from now on. Overall, it was a fluffy episode without much real substance, but not every episode needs to be hard-hitting character drama. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:22 pm

I don't know what those horseshoe things were that Twi was munching on (and kudos for the crunchy sound effect) but someone should make them for real. I'd buy them. :-I
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Postby The Falcon (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:26 pm

Wayoshi wrote:
BurgerSparkle is a gag/quirk, not a character trait / dimension.


Can't it be both? :rariwhat:

To elaborate, it's not like the show hasn't done this before. You see it all the time in the little animation touches, especially with Rarity (shes always adjusting things for instance). Sure, they serve primarily as gags/quirks, but I think they also serve as a kind of small hint of larger character traits. Twilight's messy burger eating is a nice contrast with her very strict, organized approach to most of the rest of her life, playing into her more awkward/aloof side and adding a little bit more dimensionality to her. It's not a big moment, nor do I think it was meant to be some kind of grand statement on her personality, but I don't think it should be dismissed simply as a gag (not that just having something as a gag is a BAD thing; a good gag is a good gag, and Twilight's burger eating habits was most definitely a good gag :smirk: ).

Preview EDIT: Of course, it's always possible that I'm over-thinking things and seeing something that's not there. I have done that on occasion... :-I
Regardless, I thought it was a fun episode. Maybe not the deepest or most character centric, but not every episode needs to be.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:26 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:I don't know what those horseshoe things were that Twi was munching on (and kudos for the crunchy sound effect) but someone should make them for real. I'd buy them. :-I


I think they were supposed to be onion rings. :ponder:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:31 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:
I think they were supposed to be onion rings. :ponder:


Horsie onion rings :3
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:32 pm

Molded French fries, I figure. You can mash up potatoes and extrude them through a mold, then fry them (or just cut them into funny shapes, but that's a little wasteful). Maybe it's easier for ponies to eat them like that than it would be for them to eat the long, slender fries that we favor.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:40 pm

I like the ep cause the kids acted like kids, It makes sense DT would have A princess obsession, she does wear A tiara all the time. XD. Pip was cute, and I swear that fat orange colt was a reference to Fry from Futurama.

and the Drama didnt need to be too deep, it was a simple ep, kids taking advantage of knowing a local celebrity. Yeah you can call it cliche but it was cute & entertaining. I think its still A sign that Polsky's writing has continued to improve.
Also I feel really sorry for Diamond's Butler. Having to work for someone like that. :fluttersmith:
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:54 pm

I hereby dub this episode, "Damn it, Sweetie Belle." :smirk:

This was a pretty good one, not a whole lot to it, but it was entertaining enough. The opening gag had me in stitches, and a few other jokes worked pretty well, but most weren't laugh out loud funny. It's good to see some physical progression with the CMC, actually learning things that may be useful to them in the future, despite none of them being the actual talents they've been shown to have in the past.

The drop in Claire Corlett's voice is incredibly noticeable in this episode, to the point where I initially thought someone else was doing Sweetie Belle's voice. However, it's not really all that jarring, especially if episodes like this happen more often, where the CMC get closer to getting their cutie marks and growing up and such.

So yeah, good episode, not gonna be in the top 5 of the season, but will also be hard pressed to be in the bottom 5. :allears:

| Oh yeah, Pipsqueak can go die. :applejargh:
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Postby Kamek (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:55 pm

Had Pipsqueak; 0/10

seriously though it was okay
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:58 pm

ScionVyse wrote:The drop in Claire Corlett's voice is incredibly noticeable in this episode, to the point where I initially thought someone else was doing Sweetie Belle's voice. However, it's not really all that jarring, especially if episodes like this happen more often, where the CMC get closer to getting their cutie marks and growing up and such.

Yeah, even though it's different, it actually works quite well now that Sweetie Belle's grown up enough to where she can start using magic. Even if it's just implicit, I'm glad the show isn't shying away from letting them mature like this.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:05 pm

Pipsqueak redeemed himself a lot by outing the CMC's plan. :amazing:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:10 pm

Yeah, I actually like Pipsqueak in this episode. He wasn't really that annoying at all and served a purpose.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:11 pm

The Doctor wrote:Pipsqueak redeemed himself a lot by outing the CMC's plan. :amazing:



Pipsqueak is the best British pony on the show. Sorry Time Turner. :gotcha: * & Rarity? Or is Rarity trying to act more French then British, hard to tell at times. :gonkity: *
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:22 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

Pipsqueak is the best British pony on the show. Sorry Time Turner. :gotcha: * & Rarity? Or is Rarity trying to act more French then British, hard to tell at times. :gonkity: *


:rainbert: Now that's just a filthy lie. Pipsqueak might have had one good moment, but he was annoying in the rest of the episode, and apparently no longer cares about poor Luna.




:pcstare: I heard your little follower is now a Twilight groupie.

:speakest: I don't want to talk about it.

:pcstare: Wasn't he the one who bit your tail?

:unenthused: yes...

:gotcha: So you were quite literally the flavor of the month.

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:23 pm

Children are so fickle, constantly changing their favorite princess. :fluttersmith:
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