S06E07: Newbie Dash

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Re: S06E07: Newbie Dash

Postby Bremen (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 5:04 pm

Wayoshi wrote:They could have told her up front the most talented thing while teasing her, but then I guess the episode doesn't happen. :pinkieshrug:


To be fair to the Wonderbolts, Rainbow Dash did everything she could to pretend that the name didn't bother her, because that's who she is. At the end when she actually admitted it was because of the name and she thought they believed she was a bad flier they all immediately reassured her.

Until the admission they probably thought she was just having a rough time getting adjusted or something; their behavior only looked mean because we got it from Rainbow's point of view.
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 5:21 pm

Like I said in IRC, the name "Rainbow Crash" has a lot of painful memories attached to it. She wouldn't have been nearly as bothered by anything else.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 5:24 pm

Even Spitfire can't resist showing off for Scoots.
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I liked the flight choreography.
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Also, pegasus viewing section was a nice touch.
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Love cotton candy dude. Also... guy selling bowls and vases at a flight show. :bwuh:
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:gonkity: :fear:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 5:24 pm

Right, which is why she had the impetus to try crazier shit (and thus making mistakes) to help make up for it. Crash was the one (unbeknownst to the Wonderbolts) chink in her armour! S'ok, it all worked out for the better in the end.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 5:43 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Even Spitfire can't resist showing off for Scoots.
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Postby Waffles (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 7:35 pm

The Doctor wrote:Kind of meh episode.

Making Dash such a klutz for the sake of the plot didn't really work for me. She should know a simple safety rule like "watch the runway, given that she had to give Spitfire a dressing down for the horrible safety conditions at the Academy.

Could have just made the problem been her not knowing the routine. It's set up that she doesn't know the routine (which doesn't make much sense if she's supposed to be a reserve. It's like not giving the understudy the script). Instead she's stupid for the sake of being stupid.

And I can't see anything but S1 dash being arrogant enough to showboat on the precision flight team she's been working for years to join. She knows better.

There were some nice moments of the episode, but overall the story was kind of a mess.


Kinda where I stood.

Also I don't tend to like Rainbow Dash episodes very much.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 10:21 pm

This was kinda painful. Awkward things make me feel super bad. Like it friggin hurts bad.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 10:51 pm

I usually turn away from cringe too (like scenarios where it's painfully obvious someone is lying badly / a situation is going to blow up), but again this particular instance didn't bother me for whatever reason.

"Dynamic Dash"

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"Forthright Filly"

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"Reading Rainboom"

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"Care Mare"

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"Rainbow Fash"

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"yo cute locker image RD"

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I thought RD kinda losing herself over the nickname etc made enough sense. She desperately tries to shed it, because the Wonderbolts engage in petty generic rookie shenanigans which are all handwaved at the end as acceptable (boo).

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At the end RD kinda accepts the team aspects of the Wonderbolts, enough to be fine with a month's probation and past her rookie growing pains... but was this episode really about her showboating earlier on? I'd argue no, it's the Wonderbolts' fault for engaging in petty antics without letting RD know from the start she does have so much promise, etc etc. The muddled aspect of what RD exactly did wrong (if anything) is definitely the episode's biggest failing.

btw Aramek, isn't this your pony? :v:

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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 10:59 pm

all hail sky god dash
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 11:07 pm

I need to rewatch this one for sure, but at first glance my only real issue was the imitation scene. Seemed dumber than Dash is, to me.

Had no issues with Dash screwing stuff up; she's nervous, she's in a new environment and she's so busy trying to mask her insecurity that she's being careless. That all worked fine for me.

So I think I liked this one well enough, and it lacks the crushing flaws of some of the previous Dash/Wonderbolts stories.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat May 07, 2016 11:08 pm

You see, it's a pun because it rhymes with "thunderbolts". :spike101: :ponder:

• Ugh, it's that orange kid with the helmet again.
• Spitfire lands Iron Man style! :cool: Deadpool's shaking his damn head right now.
• I bet the whole episode is a dream, and Luna shows up to explain it and Dash tells her to get lost.
• New Twilight face is :-/ squared.
• Dash remembers her Wonderbolt lore!
• I smell a "look both ways, get run over anyway" Road Runner gag a-brewin'!
• More like Rainbow TRASH! Because she hit a trash can, you see. :spike101: :ponder:
• In Cloudsdale, even the trash cans are pretty.
• Even flashback teacher is snickering. What the fuck, flashback teacher: :rainbert:
• Spitfire on two legs just looks odd.
• Dash definitely needs her ego curbed. I feel bad for her, but her defense is to blame others and double down on her arrogance, and that ain't right.
• I don't think Crash can hack it. I think Crash is a Section 8, like Private Hoofjob. :fluttersmith:
• Props to Dash for spilling to her friends about her bad day. Early-seasons Dash would have kept it bottled up.
• Pinkie caught on to the trash pun! That's my girl!
• Dash has imitated Twilight and AJ in the past, now she's going for 100% completion.
• Oh god, this is painful. It's UK Office painful. :cry:
• Yup, Fifty Shades of Gray is all about the romance. :starity:
• Thanks for the post-commercial recap, girls! I'd forgotten everything that happened in the last 20 minutes!
• When even a Cutie Mark Crusader thinks your scheme is ill-conceived, you need to pack it in.
• Rarity would regret wearing a hat to the windy flight show. Were she capable of regretting ANYTHING. :vogue:
• Not certain how this cotton candy subplot plays into the bigger picture.
• Fluttershy's :-o face as the Bolts dive amuses me beyond reason. :lol:
• Okay, now it seems to me Lightning Dust got kicked out for basically this kind of shenanigans, and she wasn't even wearing the full uniform.
• And Spitfire makes the same point! Yes! Good!
• But Dash will get away with it once again, adding further credence to my theory that her dad's the mayor of Cloudsdale.
• Well okay, probation + mockery is acceptable I guess.

Teeny-review: It was fine. On par with all the other Wonderbolts episodes. All the Wonderbolts episodes are ... fine. And this was one of those.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 12:20 am

The imitation scene was so cringy it made me laugh so hard. It was so great.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 12:39 am

The RD scene was the worst, I usually love when they imitate each other so at first I wanted to like it but it was sooooo cringey :v: That was the idea though.

It was a cute episode :allears: I don't have a problem with the Wonderbolts having nicknames like that, I thought the message of the episode was fine. And they didn't even joke about calling her Rainbow Trash, cause that'd actually be mean :amazing:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 12:42 am

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Is this a Chinese/North Korean propaganda poster? Cause it totally reminds me of one :v:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 1:45 am

The awkward/cringe humor was a bit hard to watch, but somehow when it all wrapped up I feel like this was one of my favorite episodes, just from the way it wrapped up. The Bolts don't really come off as bad because Dash was earning it, and she had consequences for her actions, and yet I still identified with what Dash was going through that I liked it. Fun episode. :awesomedash:

I confess I probably read some groundwork being laid for Dash and Soarin to become closer and that may be pushing my rating up :modesty:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 1:52 am

This was a fun episode. :3: Pinkie's "Rainbow Trash" had me snorting. :lol:


This is exactly what went through my mind! :awesomedash:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 2:26 am

Angel Beat wrote:This was a fun episode. :3: Pinkie's "Rainbow Trash" had me snorting. :lol:


That, and the leadup to it was great too. Dash's little wrinkle-mouthed grimace after she tells about the trash can incident, and Twilight going "Euughh...."

I was already snickering at that, then Pinkie lets loose with :byopinkie: RAINBOW TRASH and I lost it.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 2:28 am

BTW this was some clever staging:

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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 2:31 am

At least they answered the question of why they waited so long to let her into the Wonderbolts. Also, is this the first time that someone in a slice-of-life episode actually acknowledged that Rainbow Dash, or any of the mane six for that matter, is a hero that saved Equstria multiple times? I believe it was pointed out before that the mane six are never recognized has heroes when ever they traveled to a new place.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 2:42 am

I think it is, because "Oh, you're the heroes..." can ruin the narrative, but actually helped it in this case.

"You're not just a national hero who has saved Equestria several times, you are the Avatar of Loyalty. The physical embodiment of one of the six Elements of Harmony, the forces that bind our world together."

:v: "Yeah, I'm kind of a big deal."
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 3:10 am

A few caps I found noteworthy:

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Who can fail with such supportive friends as these?

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The Wonderbolts use clouds for pillows. Then they wonder why their manes are damp each morning.

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Pinkie even decorated Dash's statue! That's a thing she is known to do. She also used to decorate the wooden horse bust in the library, before it blew up.

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One of these reactions to Rainbow's tale of shame is not like the others. :)

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I can't explain why this face makes me laugh, it just does.

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I can't explain why this face makes me laugh really hard, it just does.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 3:15 am

Lorce wrote:Must've been pretty difficult for Ashleigh Ball to do Dash doing AJ's voice :awkward:
Still sounded similar and distinct ^^


Cartoon characters imitating other cartoon characters, especially cartoon characters voiced by the same voice actor but in a different voice, has always been one of my favorite things.



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I'm so glad Pony got around to this milestone. :vogue:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 3:26 am

^^ Though I'm reminded of some of the voice actor career research we all did during the early days of the fandom, when we discovered that G3 Pony had a character named Wysteria who was voiced by Tabitha, but who sounded pretty much just like Fluttershy. My theory, since these VAs have all been traveling in the same circles and working on the same shows/franchises for decades, was that Fluttershy's voice was Libman doing her impression of Tabitha's Wysteria voice :allears:

(while Pinkie was Libman recycling the voice she had used for Zipzee, minus the sneezes)
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 3:54 am

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I hope the animators keep having fun like this forever. :allears:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 4:12 am

Also noticeable tail bones for AB there. As Earth ponies have shown to have far more prehensile-ness to theirs.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 4:29 am

:gotcha: We need a twilight skeleton so we can see the Book Bone.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 5:12 am

Soft Snow wrote:At least they answered the question of why they waited so long to let her into the Wonderbolts. Also, is this the first time that someone in a slice-of-life episode actually acknowledged that Rainbow Dash, or any of the mane six for that matter, is a hero that saved Equstria multiple times? I believe it was pointed out before that the mane six are never recognized has heroes when ever they traveled to a new place.


Big Mac mentioned feeling inadequate because AJ helped save Equestia a bunch in "Brotherhood Social".
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Postby stonecutter (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 5:37 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Love cotton candy dude. Also... guy selling bowls and vases at a flight show. :bwuh:
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 11:19 am

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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 1:45 pm

Copy/pasting from elsewhere:

Gave this one another go tonight, and I think it helped. The imitation scene still sticks out as being pretty weird and goofy, but it's easier to roll with when you know it's coming.

I like how the Wonderbolts are used in this story; it really might be the first time they've come across as a group of functional adults (as opposed to the fickle bunch of kids they've been in earlier Wonderbolts stories). The whole hazing thing they put Dash through felt true-to-life, and maybe she would've seen that were it not for the old feelings that the familiar nickname dredged up.

One other thing that came to mind was the way Dash's current identity as a lone wolf/maverick type character clashes with her dream of being a Wonderbolt. Episodes like this one go to great lengths to drive home the "No 'I' in 'Team'" thing, which makes me wonder what'll eventually give. Is Dash capable of becoming a career team-player, or is the maverick who she really is underneath?

Unrelated, I couldn't stop myself from doing this:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 2:14 pm

Rainbow Dash lost that lone wolf thing quite a while ago. Episodes like Hurricane Fluttershy, Rainbow Falls, Wonderbolt Academt, Rarity Investigates, all of which deal with her and the Wonderbolts, shows that she's a great team player. She's still arrogant, and confident in her beliefs, but long gone were the days where she would try to make it all about her. She learned long ago that the Wonderbolts is a team thing.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 4:24 pm

I loved that one! Probably my favorite episode of the season.

Usually the moral ends up being exactly the opposite. I expected the Wonderbolts to apologize to Dash at some point, a la "we were jerks, we were so focused on the routine that we didn't realize we'd hurt your feelings and that's what really matters."

But that would have been dumb and unrealistic. Dash was in the wrong and the ep recognized it; she just needed to do the freaking work and skip the drama already.

The Wonderbolts are supposed to be professionals, and for the first time in a long time they actually FELT like professionals.

Funniest line:
:pinkieshrug: "At least they didn't call you Rainbow Trash!"
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 4:56 pm

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The night before her first flight, she overindulged in Chipotle. That's where she earned her nickname, Shitfire.


Not only is this funny, I wonder if it's actually correct. I could see the writers spitballing names and finding that one hilarious but knowing there's no way in hell they could use it, and deciding to preserve it as a private in-joke by having Spitfire whisper it to Dash instead.

Something to ask, but only at a bar after the convention once the writer has downed a few beers.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 6:07 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:Copy/pasting from elsewhere:

Gave this one another go tonight, and I think it helped. The imitation scene still sticks out as being pretty weird and goofy, but it's easier to roll with when you know it's coming.

I like how the Wonderbolts are used in this story; it really might be the first time they've come across as a group of functional adults (as opposed to the fickle bunch of kids they've been in earlier Wonderbolts stories). The whole hazing thing they put Dash through felt true-to-life, and maybe she would've seen that were it not for the old feelings that the familiar nickname dredged up.

One other thing that came to mind was the way Dash's current identity as a lone wolf/maverick type character clashes with her dream of being a Wonderbolt. Episodes like this one go to great lengths to drive home the "No 'I' in 'Team'" thing, which makes me wonder what'll eventually give. Is Dash capable of becoming a career team-player, or is the maverick who she really is underneath?

Unrelated, I couldn't stop myself from doing this:

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That's fantastic. I also love the shouting CMCs in the back.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 8:10 pm

Sidotsy wrote:That's fantastic. I also love the shouting CMCs in the back.

Any time I see a character's upper teeth as a prominent feature, it's usually cute as hell.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 8:17 pm

Here's a Slate article on real-life Air Force call signs.

Call signs generally follow a few rules as many have noted:
  • It cannot be "too cool" like "Dagger" or "Iceman"
  • It cannot be "too good" for the subject in question (based solely on the judgment of your drunken friends)
  • It cannot be something you asked for. You don't ask for a specific call sign. Your squadron mates give it to you. Serious rookie mistake.
  • It must pass the bar test. You should be able to explain your call sign at the Nellis bar and not have potential dates, random civilians, or other fighter pilots run away in embarrassment for you
  • For first-time namees, your call sign usually revolves around something stupid (or fantastic) you did during your initial few months in the squadron, or a play off your name
  • If you flew with a call sign in combat, you will generally be given preference for keeping your previous call sign. So long as a) you didn't do something horrendously stupid lately, b) you bribed adequately, and c) you are not in Korea, where many rules of physics are routinely broken
  • If you succeed in pissing off most of your fellow pilots, you may be selected for hostile renaming. All bets are off. Your best hope is excessive groveling at the feet of the committee, followed by promises of a large/expensive bribe, and a change in behavior. Then, adopt a stoic silence and await your fate.



Database of call signs and the stories behind them

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Caught on fire in the base kitchen.

Boom Boom
This guy had forgotten to take his emergency brake off before he was launched off the aircraft carrier catapult. Tires don't do so well when this happens.

Burbank
New F/A-18 driver shows up at first squadron and says "Hi, I'm Hollywood" Experienced pilots taken aback by Topgun wannabe declare, you're no Hollywood, more like Burbank. The c/s stuck.

Cooper
Carpet Pooper. He pooped on a carpet.

Dash
Dumb Ass Stabbed Himself. Because he did.

Hoe
Last name Moe.

Legend
Failed an exam that no one had ever failed in history.

Nads
Woman Marine Hornet backseater went to hang with guys in a "gentleman's club" while in a foreign country. She decided she was more athletic than any of the girls on stage. Got up on stage, swung around the pole, promptly lost her grip, flew off stage and went headfirst into a chair, resulting in a Harry Potter like scar on her forhead and a new callsign - NADS for "Not A Decent Stripper"

Salsa
Student Aviator Lacking Situational Awareness.

Scooter
Alabama judge called me "scooter" in front of my immediate chain of command who were "character" witnesses at a hearing for me doing 102mph in a 55mph zone (also a well known speed trap, which I didnt know). The ticket got tossed, but the nick name followed me forever.

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The simplest tool known to man.

Zipper
Zipper got into a argument with his girlfriend at a bar. As she attempted to leave in her car, Zipper stood in her path. Somewhat intoxicated, the pilot lost his balance and fell onto the woman's car. As he slid off the car, the zipper of the pilot's flight suit gouged the hood's finish. Not only did he lose the girl, but it cost him $1,500 to fix her car.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 8:23 pm

I did ROTC in College and had the nickname Radar within a few weeks because of a passing resemblance to the MASH character.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 9:13 pm

Fun episode. Though the cringe humour didn't really hit with me, it was awesome to see RD be a Wonderbolt it be fairly well executed. Although I hope they write it well subsequently and not just forget about such a major development.

Also, Ill echo the love of the "Rainbow Trash" line. I totally thought that's what they would call her after she fell in the trash can, but the payoff later was even better.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 9:16 pm



I use this sort of thing when I get the opportunity to run demo games of Battletech: http://wargamedork.blogspot.com/2012/04 ... eport.html

Do stupid things or gimmick play and get embarrassing nickname. It is the best way to run mecha type games especially since normal BT players don't get or understand things like jokes or social interactions.

( Something about the Machine Sheet genre seems to attract people who can't see the forest for the trees as it goes. I swear most of them also really like trains as a stereotype. :-/ :-P they are not. They are un :amazing: to levels unseen.)
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