S05E05: Tanks For The Memories

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Re: S05E05: Tanks For The Memories

Postby Octavia (?) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:46 pm

I hope Tank is in the next episode just to mess with all the timeline people. :excellent:

In all seriousness though, I doubt there will be any evidence that it's winter unless it's directly relevant to the plot. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:53 pm

Octavia wrote:I hope Tank is in the next episode just to mess with all the timeline people. :excellent:


Coming up with convoluted explanations to justify what's going on only makes us stronger :-P
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:32 am

Yeah, I've heard about the cider episode not airing in some parts because of that. What I don't get is why that'd be the case in international translations. See, from what I read the Italian dub translated the episode but just didn't air it; Apparently they cut a line from Bats! or something too.

But I read about another language dub (I forget which; might've been the Spanish dub that was mentioned, or might be another one) that just changed the cider to "juice". Couldn't the Italian dub have done that too?

It's a real shame about English speaking countries like the UK having to miss out and all, though - since there never was anything to translate. Hope you manage to see it some time, somehow, Murder Weapon. Even though it ignored sensible logic to wrap up the plot at the end, making for what's probably the most noticeable logic hole in the series. (Edit: I'm sorry; That last line came out wrong. I stick by the view in question, but I could probably have worded it more diplomatically. Didn't mean to be attacking the episode or anything.)

...Say, what does Canada do? That's where the show *is* animated and all, but they call hard cider "cider" up there too. Would be strange if the show was censored in its own home country.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:26 am

Go back in time and read some of our street brawls sensible discussions about some of the more controversial episodes, Knight. We have Strong Opinions about Ponies here- don't worry about having the "correct" opinion about an episode, as long as it's an honest one and you are articulate about it (as you are) then you're fine.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:30 am

I don't think Treehouse TV has censored "cider" up here, but they did cut out Trixie's "loser" line in Boast Busters.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:39 am

Some gifs:

:awesomedash: "Aaaaand a biiiig finallleeeeeeee!"
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YAAAAAAAWWWWWNNNN





Image :"Ppppsshw! Silent as a ninja"
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YAAAAAAAWWWWWNNNN

:rainbert: :"Dangit, Tank."
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:40 am

Octavia wrote:I hope Tank is in the next episode just to mess with all the timeline people. :excellent:

:fancyhat: Awright, let's go swimming, Tank Image TWO !
:awesomedash: Rafting is so much fun in the Image WINTER. You're gonna love it, Tank Image TWO !
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:19 am

I think it's safe to say by this point that the animators are definitely making a concerted effort to do more zany wacky cartoony facial expressions this season than they ever have before.

Seasons 3 and 4 were pretty restrained, looking back. I was kinda missing the inventiveness we used to see in S1 a lot, even if back then it often felt like they just hadn't solidified certain things about the style yet.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:30 am

Headless Horse wrote:I think it's safe to say by this point that the animators are definitely making a concerted effort to do more zany wacky cartoony facial expressions this season than they ever have before.

Seasons 3 and 4 were pretty restrained, looking back. I was kinda missing the inventiveness we used to see in S1 a lot, even if back then it often felt like they just hadn't solidified certain things about the style yet.

I wonder how long until they starting enforcing John K's "don't reuse same expression twice" rule on Ponies :v:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:47 am

I think they're panning and zooming the camera around a bit more.

I'm rewatching Dash sabotaging the weather factory and they track action closely, zoom out to punctuate things like
"They can't have winter!"

Even here, dash is moving around a lot, but she's taking up a lot of the frame.

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Her flying around the tank and not cutting is something I don't think we saw in some other seasons.

Regarding microexpressions:


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:offendash: :"DON'T SAY THAT WORD!"
Image Which one? "Snuggly"? "Wuggly"? "Tankie"? "Hibernate"?


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:offendash: :"THAT ONE"

her eyes stop being so bright for a moment
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Image :"Okay you can take your hoof out of my mouth now. That's just unhygenic."


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And the smile comes back as if nothing happened.


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Waaaaaaaaaaait a second :squintyjack:

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not really but almost.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:52 am

Close enough for me to say that's awesome. :lol:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:54 am

The funny part is, this wouldn't be the first kids cartoon to make a reference to "South Park". Even frickin' ARTHUR did it, back in 1999.

Now it's time for Woodland Critters' Christmas Special...starring Fluttershy :amazing: :nnngh:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:23 am

Octavia wrote:I hope Tank is in the next episode just to mess with all the timeline people. :excellent:


Have Rainbow Dash pull a Superman and fly around the world so fast, it speeds up time to Spring. :v:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:59 am

Three deleted scenes:
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I thought Fluttershy was especially good in that last scene:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:46 am

Octavia wrote:I'm guessing it's because cider in the UK is almost exclusively alcoholic?


Right, if you drink a few bottles of cider over here you will be feeling "well refreshed" :v: . Though I definitely remember seeing an episode on TV where RD said something about cider so not all usage of the word has been cut.

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Thanks, I'll catch it one of these days, there's no rush.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:12 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I think it's safe to say by this point that the animators are definitely making a concerted effort to do more zany wacky cartoony facial expressions this season than they ever have before.

Seasons 3 and 4 were pretty restrained, looking back. I was kinda missing the inventiveness we used to see in S1 a lot, even if back then it often felt like they just hadn't solidified certain things about the style yet.

That's a feeling that I got from this as well, particularly with Pinkie Pie's momentary "get your hoof out of my fucking mouth" look. That and the other more varied facial and bodily expressions are definitely appreciated.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:15 pm

:awesomedash: :"C'mon, Fluttershy! Image APPLE JUICE season's about to start!"

:modesty: :"What's the rush?"
:saddash: :"The rush? Don't you remember what happened last year? Or the year before that? Or pretty much any Image APPLE JUICE season ever?"
:flutterunsmith: :"Um, well, uh–"
:seethe: :"Pinkie Pie. She always ends up ahead of us in line, and then they always run out of Image COMPLETELY NON ALCOHOLIC APPLE JUICE! "
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:19 pm

Yeah, that's pretty much how it went. :v:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:39 am

The South Park hats is the perfect sort of subtle easter egg that I love seeing in media
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:08 am

Is that really intended as a South Park reference? It seems to me like something that could've just as easily been a coincidence, but then I suppose that is the sign of a reference well done.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:28 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Is that really intended as a South Park reference? It seems to me like something that could've just as easily been a coincidence, but then I suppose that is the sign of a reference well done.

There's no way it's a coincidence. The colors and styles are far too similar.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:34 am

Nah see this is a reference:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:37 am

I think it was intentional. Show has often done very subtle references like that and they usually don't do it with a nod and a wink to the audience. If you miss it, you don't know you missed anything.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:20 am

Looks way too close in resemblance to be a coincidence, methinks.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:40 am

For some reason I keep coming back to the song. I love it, the music is great, the concept is awesome, I love the imagery of the lyrics and the flamboyant staging. But there's something about the refrain that just makes me feel like it could stand to have been worked on a little harder.

Something like:

And I'll fly, and I'll fly
Until I run out of sky
There won't be anyone to catch me, and make me
Have to say goodbye

More emphasis on "I" (with a stressed syllable), to drive home the selfishness of the concept (even though Dash is doing this ostensibly for Tank, the whole point is that she's really just being selfish and ignoring Tank's real needs). A little more poetic desperation in the second line. And that whole "be the one who doesn't have to say goodbye" thing doesn't make any sense; might as well replace it with something simultaneously more egotistical, more focused on speed as a metaphor for outrunning death, and evocative of how she feels this whole thing is a crock foisted on her by other people who just don't get it. It's The Denial Stage: The Song, and denial with Rainbow Dash flavor needs to have her brand of dense egocentrism all over it, where she means well but can't help seeing it all through a lens of inflated self-confidence, need to prove herself, and faint lingering persecution from the past failures that continue to haunt her.

I dunno. I hate when people do this, so feel free to ignore me. :-I I guess it just feels like with a little tweaking this could be the definitive Rainbow Dash song. Probably will anyway; but I want it to be the best thing it can be.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:27 pm

The line I don't get is "There won't be anyone to catch me, and make me". Shouldn't the second half be part of the next lyric? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby marshmallow (?) » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:30 pm

Well, this is awkward. The episode left me cold. I knew my opinion would diverge wildly from the fandom, which reflexively adores all episodes with songs and episodes where the characters are emotional, especially if they cry. This was a double whammy.

The popularity of the "Applejack cries on the inside" line confuses me a bit. Can someone explain why you like it specifically? I have some ideas.

Is it funny? If so, I assume it's because Twilight was trying to deflect Pinkie's attack to include AJ, which backfired immediately -- comedy, right? But I was with Twilight on how ridiculous everyone was acting, unless you go with the hibernation as a metaphor for death* angle. In that case, Twilight should be taking it seriously and trying to console RD more, even if she isn't personally invested in Tank. So either everyone was acting over the top, Twilight doesn't care, or Twilight is an autistic robot who can't into feelings, even though she has in the past, specifically with RD. Ha ha?

Do people get feels from it, because you could draw a line from that to her reaction to her parents dying? Ya know, emphasizing how she's a tough tomboy gal, right? Even though she's cried and gotten emotional before plenty of times. Or is it funny because she has been emotional before, so it's the opposite of the truth? Maybe I'm thinking it over too much.

That whole crying scene was all over the place tonally. For me it was more funny than anything, but apparently a lot of people took it as a gut punch. I can't take the drama seriously with these over the top cartoon faces mugging the screen, not to mention all the Looney Tunes tears. The show has done more somber depictions of crying and depression that tugged at my heart strings. This felt more like one of Rarity's diva meltdowns, which doesn't fit RD at all. I know, I know, it's supposed to be her lowest moment, and she's letting the mask down. All that was missing was a snot nose bubble.

Maybe I was just soured by the Game of Thrones meme reference. Wow, that was atrocious. I haven't winced that hard at this show since Equestria Girls. That's the sort of lame reference that should be getting 100 upvotes on Youtube. I'm not usually in the nofunallowed.jpg camp, but that left a really bad taste in my mouth.

* - I assume it was supposed to be a death metaphor, otherwise Tank wouldn't have literally been put in a hole in the ground instead of something more sensible, like a terrarium. All that was missing was Taps.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 12:38 am

marshmallow wrote:The popularity of the "Applejack cries on the inside" line confuses me a bit. Can someone explain why you like it specifically? I have some ideas.

Is it funny? If so, I assume it's because Twilight was trying to deflect Pinkie's attack to include AJ, which backfired immediately -- comedy, right? But I was with Twilight on how ridiculous everyone was acting, unless you go with the hibernation as a metaphor for death* angle. In that case, Twilight should be taking it seriously and trying to console RD more, even if she isn't personally invested in Tank. So either everyone was acting over the top, Twilight doesn't care, or Twilight is an autistic robot who can't into feelings, even though she has in the past, specifically with RD. Ha ha?

Do people get feels from it, because you could draw a line from that to her reaction to her parents dying? Ya know, emphasizing how she's a tough tomboy gal, right? Even though she's cried and gotten emotional before plenty of times. Or is it funny because she has been emotional before, so it's the opposite of the truth? Maybe I'm thinking it over too much.

That whole crying scene was all over the place tonally. For me it was more funny than anything, but apparently a lot of people took it as a gut punch. I can't take the drama seriously with these over the top cartoon faces mugging the screen, not to mention all the Looney Tunes tears. The show has done more somber depictions of crying and depression that tugged at my heart strings. This felt more like one of Rarity's diva meltdowns, which doesn't fit RD at all. I know, I know, it's supposed to be her lowest moment, and she's letting the mask down. All that was missing was a snot nose bubble.



OK, yes, of course it's a death metaphor. And by this point, we know Dash is dense enough and impulsive enough that 4 months of winter may as well be forever. The whole point of the episode was to get Dash through the stages of grief- denial, anger, bargaining ("I'll keep winter from coming!"), so that she could get to some sort of acceptance and let her feelings out.

There wasn't one single joke to get- if you're looking for The Joke, it's not in that scene. It's complex comedy, and it doesn't depend on one single punch line. There's lots of little absurd beats thrown in to lighten the mood of a scene where Dash is crying over the impending death/hibernation of her pet. First Fluttershy turns into Stern Mom, then Rarity and Pinkie join in the waterworks, then Twilight -doesn't- and gets called on it by Pinkie, etc. None of those things (or anything that follows, I'm not writing the whole scene out here) are particularly hilarious in and of themselves, but they're not supposed to be.

It's very much the same sort of scene we saw back in "Suited for Success", where everyone's staring at Rarity's door while she has a giant pity party for herself. There's a lot of back-and-forth, with just about everyone getting a good line in:
:facehoof: "You're not a laughingstock!"
:v: "She kind of is!"
:-/ "Shh!"

I'm not sure just the "Applejack cries on the inside" line is all that was popular about that scene- take it out, and it's kinda funny, sure. But it's just one layer in the scene, which added up with everything else worked pretty well for me.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 1:47 am

I laughed more at AJ's "Nah I'm good" moment earlier, but "AJ cries on the inside"was funny to me because Twilight and the viewer both thought she wasn't getting emotional, but of course Pinkie Pie is so empathetic she can read people like an open book even when they have literally no reaction. It's part of her characterization, same with Gummy and Maud :-P

And I just noticed I never posted my impressions here :v: I didn't love this episode as much as everyone seems to, but that was also true for Sleepless in Ponyville. Still, it was entertaining and had plenty of character moments so it was good fun. And I really loved the song :allears:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 2:41 am

Pinkie primes the humor with her APPLEJACK CRIES ON THE INSIDE, TWILIGHT line, which is uncharacteristic in its forthrightness with the characters as we know them, but absolutely in-character in that it's almost a breaking-the-fourth-wall moment like so many others that have Pinkie at the center, but in a new way they've never really done before. And that puts us off our guard.

(It's also hilarious just in how mad she is. HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS YOU NERD :rant: )

And then, just as we're recovering from that, the camera moves to Applejack, who might well react to Pinkie's directness about her personality with affront or embarrassment or at the very least calling out the silliness of the metaphorical concept of "crying on the inside", but instead she just goes :twasnothin: Nope, ya got me

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 3:06 am

marshmallow wrote:Do people get feels from it, because you could draw a line from that to her reaction to her parents dying? Ya know, emphasizing how she's a tough tomboy gal, right? Even though she's cried and gotten emotional before plenty of times. Or is it funny because she has been emotional before, so it's the opposite of the truth? Maybe I'm thinking it over too much.

That whole crying scene was all over the place tonally. For me it was more funny than anything, but apparently a lot of people took it as a gut punch. I can't take the drama seriously with these over the top cartoon faces mugging the screen, not to mention all the Looney Tunes tears. The show has done more somber depictions of crying and depression that tugged at my heart strings.

I felt Rainbow Dash's crying was a more straightforward, serious expression of grief than I can remember her ever delivering in the past. I honestly feel really bad for her in that scene because she keeps going, like a real person would if they were actually in tears.

The mood gets a little corny when everyone else joins in, since some of them follow the "laughing is the same as crying" school of acting. I think they realized they had a lot more time to fill with awkward crying than they knew what to do with, so the rest of the scene is jokes to lighten the mood and keep the episode from ending with a "TANK'S DEAD! :saddash: " ♪ Myyyy Little Ponyyyy ♫ smash cut.

That said, things can be funny because of their contrast, not just because they're ha-ha hilarious. That's why AJ's lines work. It's more of a relief from the somber mood than a comedy.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 3:41 am

Of course, Applejack is always crying on the inside.

She's Batmare. And her parents are deeeeeeeeeeead!

I get the feeling that if anything actually made AJ really cry on a RD-hibernation-tank-WAAAAH level, she'd probably snap cleanly in two and crumble to dust on the spot.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 6:21 am

I'm pretty sure that we actually did see her cry once...I think it was in Apple Family Reunion.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 8:55 am

The crying scene was always pure comedy as far as I was concerned. If Tank actually were dying it might've been a different story, but we as the audience know from the word go that Dash is being a ridiculous drama queen about the whole thing. Seeing her bawling and flailing in her dressing gown and tank slippers isn't something I could see myself getting torn up over.

As for the "crying on the inside bit", I thought that was pretty simple. Pinkie Pie delivers a funny concept in a funny way, and AJ offers a response that is both A) unexpected and B) delivered in a way that suggests she's actually playing along with Pinkie for her own entertainment.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri May 01, 2015 10:19 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:I'm pretty sure that we actually did see her cry once...I think it was in Apple Family Reunion.


The one that occurs to me is during What My Cutie Mark Is Telling Me, when she's struggling with making dresses.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 04, 2015 6:50 am

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Twilight really does have huge wings now. :starity:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon May 04, 2015 7:00 am

Alternatively:

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:twonk: :"DID ANYPONY FIND A PAIR OF WINGS IN THE SNOW? YES, THEY'RE A PAIR OF LARGE FLOPPY PURPLE ALICORN WINGS. WE'RE NOT LEAVING UNTIL WE FIND THEM, SO START LOOKING."
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 04, 2015 12:01 pm

Her giraffe neck seems to have vanished, too.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 04, 2015 6:53 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote: :twonk: :"DID ANYPONY FIND A PAIR OF WINGS IN THE SNOW? YES, THEY'RE A PAIR OF LARGE FLOPPY PURPLE ALICORN WINGS. WE'RE NOT LEAVING UNTIL WE FIND THEM, SO START LOOKING."

:pcstare: Alicorn wings are a limited edition run, Twilight. They're numbered and signed by the Franklin Mint, so we can't issue a replacement after the initial lot is gone.

:speakest: ...but we do have a cellar full of dangerous old magical artifacts if you'd like to try for a big, sparkly cutie mark or a pair of gills.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Wed May 06, 2015 4:52 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Her giraffe neck seems to have vanished, too.


Clearly, cold makes Twilight shrink a bit....wait, I think we've found her other weakness!

Besides books.
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