S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 6:20 pm

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 6:26 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Hmm, judging from the style, that character is from either The Dark Crystal or Labyrinth. I can't remember which one... :ponder:

:v: no David Bowie crotch, must be Dark Crystal.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 4:50 am

Final episode deleted scene.

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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 5:00 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Final episode deleted scene.

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These deleted scenes own big, and you own big for posting them. :yay:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 6:05 am

I absolutely love those deleted scenes and someone should compile them all into their own thread.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:18 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Final episode deleted scene.

How DARE you have a positive attitude, Twilight! :butwhy:
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:20 am

Holy shit is that well done. Source?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:31 am

It's hotlinked (tsk, tsk) from the artist's DeviantArt account.
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Postby BackgroundPony (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 7:06 pm

Just realized I hadn't posted anything about this episode, so I guess I should get something down for posterity. It was a great spectacle episode. I was kind of expecting Discord to have some sort of grand chessmaster plan to doublecross Tirek, since he's pulled that sort of thing a couple times, but I guess when Celestia's involved she's always going to be the true chessmaster. For all the complaints about nuking the library, I saw that as necessary to flip Twilight's berserk switch. It gave her the justification she needed to go super saiyan on Tirek. Plus they got to replace it with the new and improved Twilight's crystal tree library playhouse. (available at stores near you!) Bring on S5!
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Postby Shakedatbooty (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 9:06 pm

Tirek was far better than Cheese Legs
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:16 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Final episode deleted scene.

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You magnificently terrible bastard. :smug:

Anyhow enjoyed story and enjoyed the season. Now no real cartoons to enjoy till whenever Korra season 3 and Gravity Falls season 2 show up. (Adventure Time I catch on season sets.)
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:18 pm

Shakedatbooty wrote:Tirek was far better than Cheese Legs


Have to sort of agree with that, but Chrysalis still has the superior design :evil:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:34 pm

Tirek and Chrysalis, both energy stealers. Maybe they should team up...
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 10:43 pm

I guess at this point it should be generally known what Tirek thinks about teamplay :-I
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 11:12 pm

Ransom wrote:Tirek and Chrysalis, both energy stealers. Maybe they should team up...

#TeamSuck

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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 11:15 pm

AlliterativeAxolotl wrote:I guess at this point it should be generally known what Tirek thinks about teamplay :-I

Tirek's probably a fine partner to have so long as you make sure to double-cross him first, though.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 17, 2014 11:20 pm

Chrysalis already has a legion at her command. I can't see her ever working with someone else outside of her own troop.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 12:17 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Did Spike have the same effect in his eyes? I was watching this episode on my crappy old TV and I couldn't tell.

He did not. And from the framing of the shots, it's not clear if he got drained the same way as the others, either.

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By the way, another nice little detail: When everyone's urging Twilight not to take Tirek's deal, Dash is frantically beating on the bubble, and Applejack gives it a frustrated kick:
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Postby Minty (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 12:38 am

I just remembered the original G1 special involved Applejack in a bubble, too. Although in a more life-saving fashion (the seaponies put her in one to save her from drowning. Then they forced her to sit through a musical number.)
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 3:42 am

Something just occurred to me...

Pegasi flying ability is based on magic.

:rainbert: Why the hell can't Scootaloo fly?
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 3:55 am

The same reason that Sweetie Belle only just now can use telekinesis and that Apple Bloom can't kick down trees. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 4:13 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:and that Apple Bloom can't kick down trees. :pinkieshrug:

Safety nets? :gotcha:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 4:15 am

The Doctor wrote:Something just occurred to me...

Pegasi flying ability is based on magic.

:rainbert: Why the hell can't Scootaloo fly?



Magic Deficancy would be my guess. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 4:50 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Chrysalis already has a legion at her command. I can't see her ever working with someone else outside of her own troop.

That said, if she ever wanted to break anyone out of Tartarus and request a favor, she has the natural ability to look like Celestia, with a few changlings disguised as guards, and walk right up to the gates.

Something just occurred to me...

Pegasi flying ability is based on magic.

Why the hell can't Scootaloo fly?


Pegasi magic works like fairy magic in Peter Pan.

In other words, she can't fly because you don't believe in her enough.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 5:12 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:The same reason that Sweetie Belle only just now can use telekinesis and that Apple Bloom can't kick down trees. :pinkieshrug:

Flight to the Finish made it pretty clear that Scootaloo is old enough to where her flightlessness is abnormal, though. Sweetie Belle seems to be growing up naturally for a unicorn, given how no one ever made a big deal of her magic use, and Apple Bloom still seems to be well able to buck apples from trees like her siblings can.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 9:15 am

Minty wrote:I just remembered the original G1 special involved Applejack in a bubble, too. Although in a more life-saving fashion (the seaponies put her in one to save her from drowning. Then they forced her to sit through a musical number.)


There were actually many moments of this S4 finale two parter that felt like callbacks to moments of the first G1 series that took place in Dream Valley, aka Pony Land.
I can't help but shake the feeling that most if not all of them were intentional. :starity:

The one that felt most intentional and obvious to me, reminded of this specific moment in the old show.
You can guess which part of the finale reminded me of this:

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Although, of course, the most obvious callbacks are the G4 versions of Scorpan and Tirek.
I guess they're powerful cross-generation demons! :v:

On top of that, the general pacing and presentation and tone of most of the finale two-parter felt so much like original G1:
Fantasy adventure sagas, full of drama and action! :damn:
Some of the other G4 multi-part episodes felt sorta like this, but something about the way it was done this time...

This combination of what seem to be intentional references along with the general mood & presentation both pointing to G1 Dream Valley is extremely satisfying. :-D

And didn't MLP just have a major anniversary, with several G1 merchandise released? Makes it feel even less coincidental then!
I have considered making a thread about all these subtle and overt G1 homage from the G4 S4 finale...
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 10:32 am

You know, I never thought of it in that way. Maybe someone should ask the showrunners if that was intentional or not.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 12:20 pm

I didn't realize there was a ton of homage, so I'd be interested in someone doing an in-depth analysis of it all
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 1:12 pm

Here's another of the more certain callback references they made.

The uploads are titled 'I wish' because G1 Twilight chants "I wish... I wish..." whenever she readies herself for teleportation.
I'm still not sure if she does it as a mantra, a spell word, or what else, but it's cute. :-I

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Twilight Sparkle even does a 'yay for me!' expression at the end in the G4 version, too. :excite:
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Postby acksed (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 3:32 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 3:38 pm

Damn, I love this show so much for putting in little touches like that... :allears:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sun May 18, 2014 10:37 pm

Amethyst_Gem wrote:Here's another of the more certain callback references they made.

The uploads are titled 'I wish' because G1 Twilight chants "I wish... I wish..." whenever she readies herself for teleportation.
I'm still not sure if she does it as a mantra, a spell word, or what else, but it's cute. :-I


I always saw it as literally wishing that she'd teleport.

:allears: :"If a unicorn wishes upon a star with all her heart, sometimes unicorn wishes can come true!"
:starity: :"We can DO THAT?"
Image :"Star light, star bright, first star I see tonight - um, you know the rest - I wish the man of my dreams would come and sweep me off my hooves ..."
Image :"Whatcha doin' Rarity? You look like you're trying to catch a smell on a breeze."
:wat: ...
:ohrarity: :"Very funny, Star."
:lol: :"Who?"

Really wish I had the time to pick around the episode and make little gifs and stuff like in the S2 days.

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Love this little take on the window.

Those of you watching in standard definition might miss this:
:spike101: :"The scene calls for Discord to be holding a plate full of cucumber sandwiches."
:flutterunsmith: :"Okay, good first pass, but you should make this whole thing about twenty percent more adorable."
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:allears: :"There."


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Twi sliding into Tirek's hoof.

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Tirek practices his hammer throw with Twilight.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 3:50 am

That is awesome and makes me smile
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 4:04 am

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:I always saw it as literally wishing that she'd teleport.

I was gonna suggest that as a third option... but in a bizarre fantasy world full of talking multi-colored ponies, that seems to be stretching things, don't you think?? :gotcha:
Nah I just need to be more wishful again, and less logical!
Thanks for your anti-intuition logic-influence, G4 Twilight!! :twonk:

It's easy to believe Twilight's anger and rage against Tirek when you've seen the place she's called home for four years get obliterated like that. One tactical mistake of teleporting there to scout out Tirek's position and plan her next move, and it costs her everything. I don't think she expected his magic to travel that far... :gonkity:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 4:06 am

Ahaha, another one of these from the ponymotes guy:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 6:12 am

I actually want to see something like that happen in the show, it's too funny not to do it.
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 11:00 am

Amethyst_Gem wrote:It's easy to believe Twilight's anger and rage against Tirek when you've seen the place she's called home for four years get obliterated like that. One tactical mistake of teleporting there to scout out Tirek's position and plan her next move, and it costs her everything. I don't think she expected his magic to travel that far... :gonkity:

Really sucks that it could have been prevented. :fluttersmith: Still, it's neat that she knew what was going to happen as soon as she saw him charge up that fireball, and was able to think quickly enough to blink in and back out to rescue her pet.

And that was enough for her to turn around and go on the offensive. No more running, you're going down :black101: :black101: :black101:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 11:20 am

Amethyst_Gem wrote:It's easy to believe Twilight's anger and rage against Tirek when you've seen the place she's called home for four years get obliterated like that. One tactical mistake of teleporting there to scout out Tirek's position and plan her next move, and it costs her everything. I don't think she expected his magic to travel that far... :gonkity:


Yeah I won't lie, it worked well. If they tried to have a crazy DBZ fight scene any other way it would have been weird. Twilight wasn't really going all in at the start of the fight, either. It was pony fighting, What Would A Brave Pony Like Rainbow Dash Do? (WWABPLRDD)

But this way? As over the top and ridiculous as it was, it worked. I wouldn't mind it at all if I didn't dislike the new castle design :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon May 19, 2014 11:43 am

I really wonder whether the show's tone won't change a little going forward. The destruction of the library is the first confirmation not only that things do change irrevocably in the show's timeline, bad things change irrevocably.

I don't know how much acknowledgment of it they're going to give, but inevitably there's going to be a contemplative and wistful feel about it at the least. I don't know how they're going to get around it. In a show that nearly always comes at things with a lighthearted, comedic angle, this is going to be a big gaping scar in the landscape, even if they hardly ever show it. It happened. It's in our memories, and those of the characters. It's going to hurt. Like if we saw a sequel to Independence Day, with humanity trying to rebuild after the complete destruction of all our major cities. All the Will Smith jokes in the world won't dull the pain of having to see the world in which you wake up the next day and freaking New York isn't there anymore.

I can only hope they're going to use it as a teachable moment about letting go and cherishing memories and so on. They won't have any trouble bringing the feels if they decide to milk it. But I'll be fascinated to see whether they think that's appropriate material for the weekly texture of this candy-colored horsie cartoon.


(I'll note that this is nothing new for Hasbro, of course. Their notorious MO was always to kill off the old generation of toys, often in quite gut-wrenching ways, to usher in the new ones. That goes for G1 Pony too. But I don't know if anything Hasbro has killed off in the past has ever had quite as much emotional baggage tied up with it, with the notable exception of Optimus Prime—and of course in his case the show was already an apocalyptic war drama, not a character-driven comedy about tea parties and fashion shows. I think they're treading new ground here.)


(E: And the other aspect is that I'm pretty sure the destruction of the library was done purely for dramatic reasons that originated with the writers, not from some Hasbro mandate. Twilight's Library Playset never existed in the first place, more's the pity. And if they just wanted to sell a new castle for Twilight, they could have done that without destroying anything.

What I'm saying is, this was a choice on McCarthy's part, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is part of a new vision that she's going to try to bring to bear.)
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