S05E09: Slice of Life

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Re: S05E09: Slice of Life

Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:48 pm

For me, the episode had ups and downs. There were a few parts I didn't like, one part I *really* liked... but in spite of everything, I'm feeling good in the aftermath.

Hope you guys don't think I'm being too negative if I list off some of the parts I didn't like:

1) At least at first, some of the fandom pandering was making me uncomfortable. I might've been okay there by the end, though.

2) I felt the flower trio was badly Flanderized in their appearance

3) When Gummy's inner monologue started up, I started thinking about the increasingly wacky direction the show's been taking. Normally I like that kind of thing, but I wonder whether it's the right direction for FiM or not.

4) Doesn't really make sense that so many royals are attending this wedding

5) The part where Steven Magnet showed up at the spa, if only because a massive creature of the Everfree just soaking in the spa with no comment (and he's so big, and the tub was so small!), for the sake of being a fanpleaser, seemed... odd. BUT I did like how his talk about his adventures with Cranky gives good material for fanfic. So do a couple other things in the episode, actually.


Could probably try to remember a few more points, but... This list's dragging on as it is and I don't want you guys to think I'm some kind of pessimist. :P

A part I really did like was "Secret Agent Sweetie Drops". See, I haven't written any MLP fanfic at this point, but I've had a few ideas. I thought the one I'd start with first would be one about those two, but I'd heard the 100th episode would be about background ponies, so I decided to wait in case of conflicting portrayals.

I still remember when I didn't really "get" people's liking for background ponies, but all thanks to the fic ideas running through my brain, I've gotten kind of a liking for this duo.

So, this kind of huge character reveal that has ramifications for my fic - and involves my 2 "favorites" (if they can be called that)... Well, I enjoyed it.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:03 pm

Gummy was supposed to have a French accent?

I can't even point to a specific thing they're parodying.

French existentialist avantgarde something something.




E: Oddly enough, there aren't any fourth wall breakages for such a hammed up episode.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:11 pm

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4) Doesn't really make sense that so many royals are attending this wedding



Matilda and Cranky have both independently attended a Grand Galloping Gala, the most prestigious social event in the realm, so they are clearly equines of note. That doesn’t answer why the rulers of the Crystal Empire were there, but it would seem that Shining has thing for weddings.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:30 pm

Niels Olof wrote:
Matilda and Cranky have both independently attended a Grand Galloping Gala, the most prestigious social event in the realm, so they are clearly equines of note. That doesn’t answer why the rulers of the Crystal Empire were there, but it would seem that Shining has thing for weddings.


Personally, while important ponies clearly do attend the gala, I don't think it's exclusively important ponies.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:57 pm

Knight Dash wrote:
Personally, while important ponies clearly do attend the gala, I don't think it's exclusively important ponies.


Well, you have to be sufficiently important to Princess Celestia to get invited. General social standing is something else, and probably not that crucial—not to the immortal Sun Goddess at least (what brief mortals might think is irrelevant as they are not the one hoofing out the invitations, and She seems keenly aware of the worth of all Her subjects).

Besides, it gave the other royals an opportunity to visit the newest member of the ruling elite, though she sadly had the rather bad grace to have brought her work home this particular day.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:14 pm

In my own headcanon I imagine the princesses came because they were invited by Pinkie. Pinkie happened to be with the Princesses and was talking about how great it was to be planning a wedding and just insisted that the princesses come.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:15 pm

Hmm, is Celestia really the only way to get a ticket, though? Actually, maybe so... Discord was waiting on an invite, right? (I don't remember well enough to say whether what happened rules anything out)

Edit: @Master_Twig: So... Why was Pinkie with the princesses? :P
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Postby Caldera (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:33 pm

Before I'm gonna backtrack and read through this thread I'm just gonna wonder if I didn't just hallucinate this entire episode. :-I I just....what the hell was that???
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:37 pm

Knight Dash wrote:Edit: @Master_Twig: So... Why was Pinkie with the princesses? :P


Well, I have my own crazy headcanon for that. :-P
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:54 pm

Caldera wrote:Before I'm gonna backtrack and read through this thread I'm just gonna wonder if I didn't just hallucinate this entire episode. :-I I just....what the hell was that???

My thoughts exactly. I don't even know how to compare this to other episodes because it's just so completely out of left field. :psygum:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:59 pm

I think that's the point of it. That it's meant to be incredibly out of left field and it works.
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Postby Snow Drift (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:05 pm

Thoughts I considered about the royals attending:
Cranky had all kinds of adventures with Steven magnet.
There is also is/was a secret monster hunting organization under Celestia. The bugbear was tracking down Bon Bon.
Doctor Time Turner (thats what I call him now) says "Is that the Bugbear" as if he had knowledge of it suggesting he too might have been in this organization.
It is entirely possible that Cranky's advenutures cross paths with this monster hunting organization (whose symbol on the briefcase matches the one on Daring Do's book for hiding things in)
If this is the case than he would be a known entity to Celestia as some sort of clandestine hero, which means he probably had dealings with Shining Armor. Which leads to the idea that the changeling there might have been one that warned cranky of the changeling invasion, which is how Shining Armor knew to prepare for the attack against canterlot in A Canterlot Wedding.

Thus, Cranky "Doodle" Donkey is a national hero all too happy to overshadowed by the mane six.

Or thats complete hogwash. :pinkieshrug: ANYWAY

Loved the episode. This season has been fantastic. :yay:
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:51 pm

Snow Drift wrote:Thoughts I considered about the royals attending


^^ I like all of this. :allears:

After rewatching the ep, my favorite bit is still Celestia and Luna arguing about wedding presents. It's more characterization than Celestia has gotten in 5 seasons.

Based on what we saw here, I would kill for an episode about Celestia and Luna ordering breakfast or going to trivia night or moving a couch or something.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:55 pm

Snow Drift wrote:This season has been fantastic.


Yeah I've gotta say I have been enjoying the hell out of this season. Only misses for me so far have been Castle Sweet Castle and Troubleshoes.

And we haven't even had any Rarity episodes yet. :vogue:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:07 pm

Snow Drift wrote:This season has been fantastic.


Indeed. So far this is shaping up to be the season to beat.

PictishBeast wrote:And we haven't even had any Rarity episodes yet. :vogue:


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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:10 pm

The Mayor’s speech brought a sense of sonder to the show, something that is not easy to do in a show where we usually talk about Mane Six and background ponies.

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:34 pm

If anybody's put off by any characters acting "flanderized" or having implausible things happen to them, well, that's the entire point. :-P I highly doubt we're supposed to consider much of what happened this episode "canon".

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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:05 pm

By the way. I held off on mentioning this before, but

FIENDShip is Magic SPOILERS!

Considering Seven Seas's list... Could the escape of the changelings in the comics have anything to do with the originally planned "changeling swarm heading for Ponyville"?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:39 pm

Knight Dash wrote:By the way. I held off on mentioning this before, but

FIENDShip is Magic SPOILERS!

Considering Seven Seas's list... Could the escape of the changelings in the comics have anything to do with the originally planned "changeling swarm heading for Ponyville"?



Possibly. She was released either for the purposes of the show or the comics.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:54 pm

Hey, Doc! Not sure if you saw my reply on that EQD comment of yours, but... I bet you loved this episode. :D So much Doctor Hooves. Or Time Turner, as you apparently prefer.

By the way, I did check out the first episode of MS3TK; Didn't seem like my thing, sadly, and I didn't finish. Do you have any other episodes you'd recommend as a starting point?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:56 pm

The first season of MST3K is a little rough around the edges. Try watching Pod People or Space Mutiny and see if you like those.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:59 pm

Knight Dash wrote:Hey, Doc! Not sure if you saw my reply on that EQD comment of yours, but... I bet you loved this episode. :D So much Doctor Hooves. Or Time Turner, as you apparently prefer.

By the way, I did check out the first episode of MS3TK; Didn't seem like my thing, sadly, and I didn't finish. Do you have any other episodes you'd recommend as a starting point?



ROBOT B9 wrote:The first season of MST3K is a little rough around the edges. Try watching Pod People or Space Mutiny and see if you like those.


Basically this. The first season, is kind of bad. It improves quite a bit. The two episodes there that ROBOT B9 lists are good ones.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:29 pm

Knight Dash wrote:Hmm, is Celestia really the only way to get a ticket, though? Actually, maybe so... Discord was waiting on an invite, right? (I don't remember well enough to say whether what happened rules anything out)

Edit: @Master_Twig: So... Why was Pinkie with the princesses? :P


Because Pinkie and Celestia are friends of course. I would imagine that Celestia rather enjoys spending time with Pinkie.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:51 pm

Knight Dash wrote:2) I felt the flower trio was badly Flanderized in their appearance

But when are they not? :wink:

3) When Gummy's inner monologue started up, I started thinking about the increasingly wacky direction the show's been taking. Normally I like that kind of thing, but I wonder whether it's the right direction for FiM or not.

I've been debating this season whether they're spending too much time mocking their own premise, like Gilda's "lemme guess... friendship" line. Part of the show's success early on was in knowing they were teaching simple lessons but doing it well instead of saying, "Let's just cover this up with wacky comedy and hope nobody gets bored."

I'm not really decided on that point yet. A lot can change over the course of a season. But this was a goofy one-off episode, so I'm not going to judge the whole show on it.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:03 pm

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Basically this. The first season, is kind of bad. It improves quite a bit. The two episodes there that ROBOT B9 lists are good ones.


If you're actually watching the very first season, it was little more than a local cable access show, and is therefore actually not very good. Off the top of my head, a few that are decent from the Joel run: Any of the Gamera/Godzilla ones (the second/third season versions, not the KTMA versions), Star Force: Fugitive Alien 2, War of the Colossal Beast (Mr. B Natural!), Hercules v. The Moon Men (DEEP HURTING), and of course, Manos.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:08 pm

Headless Horse wrote:If anybody's put off by any characters acting "flanderized" or having implausible things happen to them, well, that's the entire point. :-P I highly doubt we're supposed to consider much of what happened this episode "canon".

*cannon grows out of the stump of his neck and blows a hole in a ship on the horizon*


If this episode were to be completely canon then what would have to be carried forward into other episodes?
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Oh hey, Lyra and Bonbon are Ashleigh Ball and Andrea Libman doing voices that are completely different form Rainbow and Pinkie. They come off quite well.
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Postby Hiltonium (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:36 am

Hearing Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie's voices (at least slightly) come out of Lyra and Bon Bon was weird, but other than that, great work, staff.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:49 am

Hiltonium wrote:Hearing Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie's voices (at least slightly) come out of Lyra and Bon Bon was weird, but other than that, great work, staff.
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I think you meant Fluttershy rather than Pinkie Pie.
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Postby Hiltonium (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:51 am

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I think you meant Fluttershy rather than Pinkie Pie.

Eh, I don't know. Sounds more like Pinkie to me.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:53 am

Yeah Bon Bon sounded pretty much exactly like Pinkie Pie.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:27 am

To me she sounded exactly like fluttershy, but without the whispery tone to her voice.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:37 am

Huh. I just watch the scene again. Sometimes she sounds more like Pinkie, sometimes she sounds more like Fluttershy. Her voice is like... halfway between the two.
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Postby stonecutter (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:42 am

The Doctor wrote:Basically this. The first season, is kind of bad. It improves quite a bit. The two episodes there that ROBOT B9 lists are good ones.

Most of the MST3k shorts are great too. 'Last Clear Chance' is still one of my favorites.


As for this episode, I had fun watching it and hope to find time to watch it again soon. :crack:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:13 am

I thought Bon Bon sounds like Pinkie more than Fluttershy.
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Postby acksed (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:32 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I thought Bon Bon sounds like Pinkie more than Fluttershy.

Damn, Bon Bon Sweetie Drops is good.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:48 pm

No MST3K discussion is complete without the Bergman parody:


As for the flower trio being flanderized—they seemed perfectly within their normal operating parameters to me. This is after all the ponies who went all Colonel Kurtz after a few bunnies had passed through town. They do not cope well with stress.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:06 pm

Well they are...

Sensitive flowers...

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Postby Corpy (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:48 pm

Reopen the PPPP thread, Wayoshi
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:51 pm

Corpy wrote:Reopen the PPPP thread, Wayoshi

Pretend that I'm emptyquoting this because everyone knows it will only end in pain if PPPP is forced to come here
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:19 am

Please don't bring that pettiness here.
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