S04E14: Filli Vanilli

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Re: S04E14: Filli Vanilli

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:15 pm

I think it's okay if they bring back and expand on actual characters. Jokes, however, shouldn't be recycled and referenced just for the sake of their popularity.


With that said, I actually doubt Zecora will be making some sort of potion to bring back the Flutterguy voice. Zecora has always been far more concerned with wisdom and personal growth than with providing the quick fix for social issues (see The Cutie Pox, Magic Duel, Just For Sidekicks). I expect she'll provide Fluttershy with actual advice here. (Besides, if you want to be irresponsible with potions, Apple Bloom's the one to ask. :anticipation: )
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:33 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I think it's okay if they bring back and expand on actual characters.


Which would all be fine and dandy if those character were actually expanded on. Daring Do is a Rainbow Dash recolor (they didn't even think to maybe change her design :facehoof: ) who's only characterization is being angry at Dash and saying she works alone. Bulk Biceps is what? He's litterly the same joke as he was in Hurricane Fluttershy, only now he yells more lines instead of just "Yeah!" and isn't funny anymore.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:36 pm

Well if those characters appear more in the future they have a better chance of being further developed.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:38 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Well if those characters appear more in the future they have a better chance of being further developed.


Not really.

Trenderhoof and Cheese Sandwich were one shot characters that appeared and probably will only ever appear in their respective episodes and had better characterization than Daring Do and Bulk Biceps combined.

One shots aren't a problem for the writers to write, but apparently when they decide to "expand" one of those one shot's they don't expand them at all.

Daring Do and Bulk Biceps are the most glaring examples, because they had no characterization at all and now they still barely have any, even though, as the writers have shown in the above examples, this shouldn't be a problem.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:34 pm

There was an episode of The Brak Show where Zorak had "a beautiful manvoice" and was a good R&B singer.

That's why I'd like it if Fluttershy did the deep again, not because of callbacks or anything.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:39 pm

And then they did a callback to it in one later episode, completely without calling any attention to it (his part as the motel owner in Psychoklahoma!). Which is really an example of how to do it right.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:13 pm

Of COURSE Big Mac is the one to lose his voice :facehoof:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:35 pm

sailoryue wrote:Of COURSE Big Mac is the one to lose his voice :facehoof:

"Sorry...I'm just...a little...hoarse..." :eenope:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:45 pm

:anticipation: You're a Big Little Pony!
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:18 pm

TV Guide clip (dialogue has significant plot spoilers, so avoid if wanted):

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:22 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote: :anticipation: You're a Big Little Pony!

:ohboy: I wish I could help your singing group!
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:03 pm

I wonder were Fluttershy is. That doesn't look like part of her home, at least from what we've seen of it before. And to be honest, am I the only one a bit thrown off by Pinkie's behavior? I mean, it's almost as if she was being a bit invasive, rather than being funny/random, more like she was almost trying to make Fluttershy feel bad. (I highly doubt she was trying to, but the way this was handled almost makes it look like she meant to.) So I don't really like that so much myself.
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Postby Tears (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:06 pm

Not watching the clip, but I can see Flutters at the spa :allears:

The :gonkity: ness of the premise is now forgiven :twiright:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:13 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:And to be honest, am I the only one a bit thrown off by Pinkie's behavior? I mean, it's almost as if she was being a bit invasive, rather than being funny/random, more like she was almost trying to make Fluttershy feel bad. (I highly doubt she was trying to, but the way this was handled almost makes it look like she meant to.) So I don't really like that so much myself.


Nah, you're not the only one. Pinkie was terrible.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:14 pm

Eeeeeh, the preview clips aren't warming me up to this episode.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:25 pm

Tailspin wrote:
Nah, you're not the only one. Pinkie was terrible.


Oh, that makes me feel a bit better to know it's not just me. :v: It seems more like the effect of Pinkie Pie being poorly written. I mean, I figured that even Pinkie Pie knows how sensitive Fluttershy is, judging from episodes like Griffon the Brush-Off, when she stops Rainbow Dash from even squirting water in her face. But in this clip, she almost just seems insensitive.

I feel like that's the thing with Amy Keating Rogers. When it comes to her episodes, I either really like it (Pinkie Pride, Best Night Ever) and feel the characters are written really well. Or of course, I really really dislike it (MMMystery on the Friendship Express and The Last Roundup) and feel the ponies are written very out of character. It's almost like she's back and forth. :yikes:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:32 pm

Honestly, to me her behavior is less insensitive and more borders on cruel.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:36 pm

Well, now I'm really looking forward to seeing it! :evil:

(At work, vids be all blocked so, haven't seen the clip.)
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:39 pm

Yeah, I didn't like Pinkie here. Not even as Spider-Pinkie. :deflated:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:55 pm

Pinkie, did you forget to take your pills this morning? Seriously, wtf!?

Other then that though, still looking forward to the ep overall.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:33 pm

This is a Fluttershy episode, and I admittedly tend to root for Fluttershy episodes to be particularly good like I would root for my home team. I haven't watched the preview clips, but so far the reactions seem pretty disheartening.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:50 pm

Yeah, this is shaping up to be a pretty meh episode.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:02 pm

I think it'll be good. I know that feeling of being good at something but not wanting to demonstrate it for others, and I've definitely had well-meaning people stress me out like Pinkie Pie did in that one clip. The way you all were making the clips out, I thought it was going to be like Rainbow Falls or something.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:09 pm

Glad to have Fluttershy back and adorable as ever, and yeah her not wanting people to know she's incredibly good at something seems up her alley.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:11 pm

Frosthawk wrote:so far the reactions seem pretty disheartening.
Don't let them do that to you. If Fluttershy episodes are your home team then you root for them! If anyone says a Fluttershy episode is bad (none of them are) then they're wrong! It doesn't matter if the whole world says they are bad, you cheer that episode on and you tell the whole world

:glare: "No, you're wrong!"
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:49 pm

Guys, Fluts is at her home, not the spa. :glare: Can't recognize her own home, can you?

Also, this is going to be cute and focus on Fluts' amazing voice. :allears: Although yes, I'm not sure what Amy was trying to do with Pinkie there. Came off as ignorant.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:51 pm

Don't know how y'all can bash that last clip when it had Fluttershy singing with flowers in her hair. :allears: :yay: :flutterunsmith:

I mean, sure, we all know how Fluttershy episodes go: Fluttershy is shy about a thing, eventually overcomes shyness. But they're always cute and fun so whatever. And she'll sing in this one, so that's enough for me.

Though, I hope they somehow address the fact that all the ponies have heard her sing before. I guess they could joke it off as the not-quite-reality of song sequences, but Fluttershy's line in "Best Pet" ("Should we sing about it again?") makes you wonder...
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:03 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Guys, Fluts is at her home, not the spa. :glare: Can't recognize her own home, can you?

Also, this is going to be cute and focus on Fluts' amazing voice. :allears: Although yes, I'm not sure what Amy was trying to do with Pinkie there. Came off as ignorant.


It's a pretty typical gag. Oblivious character says blatantly insensitive thing. They did the same thing with Fluttershy in Sonic Rainboom.

Fluttershy: But, Rainbow Dash. Just because you've failed the sonic rainboom a hundred thousand times in practice doesn't mean you won't be able to do it in front of an entire stadium, full of impatient, super-critical sportsfan ponies.


Not saying it's necessarily a good gag, but... what was my point again? :ponder:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:07 pm

^ Two rebuttals -

A) You wouldn't expect R.D. to react like that, you would expect Fluts to, so Fluts doesn't look bad at all
B) Pinkie's hyper way of delivery amplifies the awkwardness at a bad time
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:16 pm

^Those are fair points. I think it just shows how much trouble they have writing for Pinkie, her level of well-meaning obliviousness is wildly inconsistent.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:21 pm

Your supposition hinges on the "Fluttershy is extra <whatever> so the ponies should know better".

I'm not saying you're wrong, but, maybe, for this episode, they, maybe just for a moment, forget that Fluts "needs a bit more care than normal"?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:41 pm

Pinkie took extra care of Fluts in GTBO. :pinkieshrug: Any way you look at it, the joke doesn't come off well. It's not a big deal.

I mean, look at Fluts at the end of the EW clip. I'm going to have plenty of material in my images this week. :allears:
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Postby Kronos (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:58 pm

I know this sounds really silly, but I actually am hoping that they pull something totally out of left field and have Angel suddenly start belting out a rock ballad for Big Mac.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:31 pm

At least it's not Rainbow Dash being the jerk.

:awesomedash: Cause Rainbow Dash would never be mean to Fluttershy.

:-/ And Rainbow Dash should know Fluttershy can sing.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:48 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Also, this is going to be cute and focus on Fluts' amazing voice. :allears: Although yes, I'm not sure what Amy was trying to do with Pinkie there. Came off as ignorant.

It felt reasonable to me. Pinkie Pie is easily excitable and highly enthusiastic about her friends. Of course she'd want Fluttershy to sing for everyone! After all, Pinkie Pie doesn't know what it's like to feel such social anxiety. She doesn't know how much it bothers people like Fluttershy to be the focus of so much attention. In fact, Pinkie thrives off of that kind of attention, so naturally she'd think that everyone else does too. And while she has sometimes shown restraint in the past, she also gets worked up very easily and can tend to lose sight of such little things. I'm sure she just thought she was doing the right thing by trying to get Fluttershy to sing.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:55 pm

I guess this will be good discussion tomorrow when everyone has freely seen it. I agree that Pinkie is perfectly in-character, it's the particular dialogue and the voice acting there that just rubbed me (and some others who are usually very tolerant, even (gasp) SoundMonkey) the wrong way. It may look better in context with the episode though.

I think this might be a surprisingly deep episode
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:08 am

That last clip was adorable as fuck. :allears:

Also liked Pinkie creeping up a vertical wall.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:51 am

Latest HUB tweet confirms Flutterguy return.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:39 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Latest HUB tweet confirms Flutterguy return.

No surprise there. Well, from the looks of things it seems like they'll be using it for an actual story-related purpose, so that's not so bad. Maybe this episode will have her lipsynching for Big Mac and get exposed for it, like we were predicting earlier.
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