S05E04: Bloom and Gloom

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Re: S05E04: Bloom and Gloom

Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:16 pm

It's getting to be like the Trix Rabbit. JUST GIVE THEM THEIR MARKS AT THIS POINT ITS GETTING MEAN NOW.
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Good episode though. And odd anyone would dodos thus place. People are dumb. :eyebrow:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:43 pm

Aww, Scootaloo dreams about flying. :flutterunsmith:


...Oh. :fluttersmith:

And the bit with the egg-laying rooster was pretty brilliant, in hindsight; at first it just seemed like a weird gag or something, but on the second viewing it's like, oh, because she's dreaming. I love it when writers do stuff like that.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:25 am

I'll post this quick before the forums get taken down again:

I decided to watch this one again as on first viewing I didn't think it was all that, though my mood then was probably soured by the fact that I had to spend 20+ minutes fucking around with the computer before I could watch it. I appreciated it more on 2nd viewing, I think the first time when I realised that most of the episode was going to be a dream I groaned to myself a bit.

Pretty rough psychological treatment for AB. I didn't predict that the shadow was a manifestation of her subconscious, though I probably should have guessed.

No complaints about the Babs thing, she's one character that I could definitely live without seeing again.

Long lines from Big Mac, to go with Bulk Bicep's longest line ever last week.

I got the Independence Day reference. :yay:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:41 am

Maybe it's because I am a big silly and missed it, but where was the Independence Day reference? Was it during the scene with the fleeing ponies?
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:49 am

Yes, it's when the twitterflies gather round above the barn and destroy it.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:05 am

The constant dreaming gets old really quickly, I'll be honest. It doesn't take much to realize that it is a dream, and when it starts to loop around as a dream within a dream, it begins to feel overdone. This is especially true once Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle start acting rude to Applebloom, since we know more than well enough that this is not how they act, and that made it feel pretty awkward and unnatural. Once Luna saves her, things start to normalize back into the show we know and love. It's just a small portion compared to the rest of the episode though, so I can't say I'm all that excited about this episode now that I've seen it.

On another note, Michele Creber's voice is changing, and I was quick to pick up on how different Applebloom sounded in this episode. It's not really a bad thing, or anything that can really be controlled, but it will be something that I'll have to get used to.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:38 am

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:Yes, it's when the twitterflies gather round above the barn and destroy it.


Haha, that's pretty great. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:55 am

Yeah, I noticed that Michelle's voice was beginning to be a little strained as well. Maybe more credence to the theory that they'll be aged up sometime later on in the show?
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:22 pm

So are we not doing Freeze Frame Theatre anymore?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:52 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah, I noticed that Michelle's voice was beginning to be a little strained as well. Maybe more credence to the theory that they'll be aged up sometime later on in the show?

Them getting their cutie marks would be a good way of showing that they've grown up between S1 and now. It'd be nice if the animators could also make them look a little bigger and older, but I'd be awfully surprised if that happens.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:12 pm

Headless Horse wrote:So are we not doing Freeze Frame Theatre anymore?

Forum downtime has made it hard this week, I also don't feel that inspired by this episode.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:37 pm

Marioland1 wrote:This is especially true once Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle start acting rude to Applebloom, since we know more than well enough that this is not how they act, and that made it feel pretty awkward and unnatural.

That was the point, though. Of course they wouldn't actually be that upset with Apple Bloom (though, to be fair, they have fought over small stuff before; see Flight to the Finish). She's still irrationally scared of that happening, though.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:42 pm

Applebloom's own face appearing as her cutie mark reminded me of this ad:



Applebloom has a cutie mark of herself. She is the most interesting filly in Equestria. :sweet:
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:16 pm

It took me a little while to see this one but, eh, whatever. I felt kind of lousy this weekend and the forums were down anyway.

-Gee, Applebloom, isn't it kind of dangerous for your blind cousin to be playing with scissors?
-"What happens if you get stuck with a cutie mark you don't like?" What, indeed? I mean it's pretty well established that a cutie mark is some kind of magical destiny that always fits you even if you don't realize it at first, but I've always thought magical destinies were a little too easy.
-This seems like more of an existential fear than a "quake in terror" fear.
-Applebloom might have too many questions to answer in one night, but couldn't you at least try to answer some of them in one night?
-Existential dread isn't repelled by sunlight, Applejack.
-I approve of Parasprite callback.
-Oh no, Twittermites! They're going to bury us in semi-coherent rage, 140 characters at a time!
-"Metal Gear?"
-You got the touch! You got the power! YEAH!
-On the plus side, if she dodges 100 more lightning bolts in a row she'll unlock her ultimate weapon.
-She doesn't even have to stun them with her flashlight first. Applebloom's got it easy.
-Whenever you need a friend, you can just go out and catch one. Like Pokemon.
-You know I'm tired as hell right now because all I can think of are references.
-"My cutie mark isn't the worst, you two are!" She's not wrong.
-Is it just me or is this spooky ghost voice just Scootaloo with reverb?
-Why did that shock wake her up and not any of the other, more intense-seeming ones?
-Oh no, she's trapped in a dream-loop!
-I know people have been expecting some kind of "what happens if one of them gets their cutie mark before the others?" episode for ages so I'm glad they're finally covering that ground, even in a dream montage.
-"Now there's all kinds of trouble" actually I think there's just the one kind right now.
-Now we've moved away from looping dreams into a Rose's Room "artificial reality is breaking down" scenario.
-Goofy dolphin cutie mark is pretty good but I was kind of hoping it'd be a pear.
-I wonder why Big Mac's voice features so prominently in Applebloom's fears. Maybe in the absence of parents he's taken on the role of family disciplinarian? I think I'm reading too much into it.
-Spooky ghost voice didn't turn up for that loop. Hm.
-Can we count the Applebloom's face cutie mark as another FiW prediction?
-"I don't want to see another cutie mark as long as I live" seems like kind of an odd sentiment considering a cutie mark could theoretically be just about any image imaginable.
-There's spooky ghost voice! I was starting to get worried.
-Now it's a Luna episode.
-Cutie marks are an expression of the inner self yadda yadda, I guess that's kind of the theme for this season. Still a little too magical destiny for me.
-Sweetie Belle didn't even get to audition before they disqualified her based on her cutie mark! Fursecution is real.
-Flying is one of the all-time classic dream abilities but it takes on a certain tragic quality when it's Scootaloo's dream. Actually, now that I think about it, did Scootaloo's wings get bigger in the scene where she and Sweetie Belle were like "actually we got our cutie marks?" Something seemed off about them but I couldn't put my finger on it at the time.
-They're not going to spy on Babs' dreams to find out if she's anxious? I don't know whether I'm proud of the CMC's integrity or disappointed by their lack of ambition.
-The flippant pan smack contrasts with the gentle lullaby in a way I'm really into.
-An exhausting night's sleep? Yeah, I've been having some of those myself these last few days.

This was a solid episode. I'm always into weird dream logic stuff and they have some fun with it. I've been and will likely continue to be just a little bit cynical/down on their explanations of cutie marks, but that's just because the concept's always kind of rubbed me the wrong way for irrelevant philosophical reasons. I'm glad that they've started exploring this stuff a bit more, even if the answers they're giving aren't exactly the ones I would want.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:16 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:That was the point, though. Of course they wouldn't actually be that upset with Apple Bloom (though, to be fair, they have fought over small stuff before; see Flight to the Finish). She's still irrationally scared of that happening, though.

I like how it's a gradual worsening, too. At first, Scoots and Sweetie are genuinely happy at the news, then apologetic, then businesslike, then actively cold. It's like they're incrementally meaner each time we cut back to them, and it's pitch-perfect nightmare anti-logic.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:51 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Applebloom's own face appearing as her cutie mark reminded me of this ad:



"PLEASE ENJOY MY LITTLE PONY FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC RESPONSIBLY" :gotcha:

I did notice AB's voice changed, but it wasn't a big distraction. Scootaloo's fine, and we still got some Squeaky Belle!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:48 am

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This was such a great little micro-story.

Fully animated, you get to see how Rarity is blushing in embarrassment and burying her face in her hooves and making a tiny little stand by at least rating her a 1 because she's her sister for crying out loud but she can't even bring herself to score her better than that even out of rank nepotism.

It's a speculative thing that doesn't even actually "happen", but nonetheless it's a fresh opportunity to toss a well-known character into a new situation and get a good character-driven laugh out of her. It only lasts a few seconds, but damn they're well spent.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:08 am

Headless Horse wrote:It's a speculative thing that doesn't even actually "happen"

In particular, the pest pony dream was so detailed, I wonder if dreams work differently in Equestria. How did AB's mind conjure all those details up? Sweetie dreaming of Rarity being Rarity makes sense, but again, to that exact detail? Do dreams take on a life of their own? Is Luna involved in such a transformation / embellishment?

(I know the answer probably is "lolcartoon")
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:33 am

You know how on some nights, you have dreams that are a lot more vivid than usual? We're most likely only seeing those. After all, it'd be kinda boring if we were seeing the thousands of nights in which they had no coherent dreams, or no dreams at all.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:43 am

Vivid enough to have fleshed out details beyond the scope of the dreamers?
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Postby Ransom (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:59 am

I could see dreams being a bit different in Equestria. For instance, actual dream traveling monsters that Luna has to fight off.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:34 am

I wonder if we'll ever have another dream episode with Luna. Maybe she can't sleep and its been causing problems so the Main Six have to enter her mind.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:53 am

Well, now we have the whole bit with the Nyx and such from the Nightmare Moon comic.

That is, ponies can and do have complex dreams crafted for them. Of course, if that was canon, it'd also lead to the whole Nightmarity bit being canon as well, which would make poor Rarity the punching bag for possessive dark forces (comic arc + Inspiration Manifestation).
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Postby Throbulator (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:46 am

Since I'm home sick with the flu I had time to watch this episode.

At first I was pretty luke-warm to the premise: AB gonna fret about her assmark for another 22 minutes, let's just get this over with.
But it was really great. I was worried they were going to cop-out and go 'it was all a dreeeeaaam!', which they did, but it really worked great the way each dream sequence became even more strange. I liked the references to previous episodes they made: pest pony talking about parasprites, and AB's little spin while looking for her cutiemark.

I thought the shadow thing was either going to be the evil pony from the season starter, or Luna. Speaking of which: best princess! :awesomedash:
I like how Scoots and Sweetie Belle were like 'hi Luna'. That was pretty gosh darn cute.

Great episode. Will watch again.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:44 am

Is it just me or did they reuse the spinning animation from Call of The Cutie? (I think that's the episode it's from...)
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Postby acksed (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:37 pm

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Octavia is definitely the Simon Cowell here. :hilarious:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:32 pm

Such a missed opportunity not to make the bug catcher pony look like a Dale Gribble pony. :gotcha:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:32 pm

The Doctor wrote:Such a missed opportunity not to make the bug catcher pony look like a Dale Gribble pony. :gotcha:

:pestcontrolpony: - "Cutie Mark is just a way for Celestia to control our minds, but I showed her. As long as I wear this tinfoil on my head, she'll never hack into my brain and do her bidding so that she's prepared the next time Luna goes crazy and turn into Nightmare Moon again"

:bluh: - "Shut up, pest control pony."
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:42 pm

Next I want an episode where Luna has a nightmare, so she appears in her own dream to help herself through her personal issues. :speakest: :unenthused:

ROBOT B9 wrote:Is it just me or did they reuse the spinning animation from Call of The Cutie? (I think that's the episode it's from...)

I thought that too. It's a classic Apple Bloom move and I was glad to see it again. :sweet:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:18 pm

They don't do a lot of actual recycled animation in the show. Hardly any, in fact, outside of run cycles and other stuff that they put together as a library for S1. (Or wacky Pinkie dances)

A lot of things look similar, but they're really not the same. Which is kind of crazy for a show done in a medium specifically suited to reuse of assets.

I imagine they do a lot of stuff like "recycle the basic body movement and hair bobbing but swap in all new facial animation and clothes and stuff", to the point where not that much of the original is left.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:28 pm

I need to post this because I'm still laughing

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I love to imagine what happened with the animators behind-the-scenes with this. The script would just say "[AB has the worst cutie mark possible]" and they had to think up what the worst cutie mark in the world would be.

It makes me wonder what other ideas they had.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:51 pm

Hey, Sapphire Shores (the Pony of Pop!) would probably kill for a dolphin cutie mark!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:59 pm

Well, y'see, there's dolphin cutie marks, and then there's dolphin cutie marks. This is the latter.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:33 pm

Maybe it was one they had left over after having filled in the cutie mark vault in The Cutie Map.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:16 am

Durandal wrote:I need to post this because I'm still laughing

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I love to imagine what happened with the animators behind-the-scenes with this. The script would just say "[AB has the worst cutie mark possible]" and they had to think up what the worst cutie mark in the world would be.

It makes me wonder what other ideas they had.


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Postby Frith (?) » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:02 pm

I'm not a fan of this episode.

The biggest problem for me was that the story wasn't particularly interesting. In theory basic setup of the episode was good, but I don't really care anymore about CMC's attempts to get their cutie marks. I just wish they would get their marks already. :-/ Otherwise, I think AB's nightmares took too long time and they were also dull.

On a positive note, it's always great to see Luna and AJ's lullaby was cute.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:42 pm

Finally saw this episode and thought it was pretty great.

Josh Haber did a good job of playing up all the anxieties about being different. That's why Apple Bloom is so stressed out in the first place--that she's different from all the other kids who already have their cutie marks. Then her subconscious tortures her with all the ways it can get so much worse.

You could get a low-status cutie mark, dooming you to a job you hate and causing Best Horse and her friend to rip on you hilariously. You could get your cutie mark too soon, causing your friends to abandon you. You could get your cutie mark too late, causing your friends to abandon you for the opposite reason. You could get the wrong kind of (non-apple) cutie mark, revealing your family as the apple-obsessed mafia fans have been joking about for years.

My favorite part was the beginning with the pest control pony. Nice worldbuilding and nice steampunky design on the equipment.

I liked how Apple Bloom was so much better at exterminating with the cutie mark than without it. It implies that following your cutie mark is a societal obligation which is pretty heavy.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:21 am

Headless Horse wrote:So are we not doing Freeze Frame Theatre anymore?

Admittedly, I mostly skim for faces, and there were a lot of Applebloom faces this (last) week. Not a whole ton of funny frames that haven't already been posted, though.

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Cutting AB out of all the family photos is rough.

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I think a viking hat would be a pretty baller cutie mark.

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I laughed pretty hard at the THWUMP and rooster laying an egg.

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Maybe this is a different angle on the town, but isn't there supposed to be a castle here...?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:13 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Maybe this is a different angle on the town, but isn't there supposed to be a castle here...?


:gotcha: Told you she lives in a TARDIS.
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:14 pm

Aurora wrote:I was kind of surprised the "shadow" wasn't Starlight Glimmer

Yeah, until Luna actually showed up, I was thinking that this was some dream that Starlight Glimmer was sending to try to convince Applebloom that cutie marks are actually a bad thing.
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