S05E01-02: The Cutie Map

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Re: S05E01-02: The Cutie Map

Postby Seven Seas (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:45 am


I'd love to see all three of these on the forum.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:53 am

That last one is just perfect. We need something like that on the forums, the face is making me laugh hard right now.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:58 am

Some alt text ideas.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:13 am

That last face is genius. He's all like "Bah!", and I love it.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:21 am

You think that Fluttershy emote would replace flutterdear?
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:21 am

Headless Horse wrote:" :-/ Actually it was about ten minutes ago."


It all depends on how long the ponies require to reiterate they

  1. Found all six keys
  2. Defeated Tirek
  3. Got a sweet castle

One Million times.
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:42 am

So how long until someone ships Party Favors with Pokey Pierce? :gotcha:
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:44 am

Niels Olof wrote:
It all depends on how long the ponies require to reiterate they

  1. Found all six keys
  2. Defeated Tirek
  3. Got a sweet castle

One Million times.

Apparently it took well over a year.
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:28 am

:v: This is a Derpy Pony. And this...

:amazing: This is what is known as a Derpy Pony that has ascended past a Derpy Pony. Or you could just call this a Derpy Pony 2.

Image And this... is to go... even further beyond!
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Postby !saak (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:49 am

The Doctor wrote:Some alt text ideas.
Image "They're letting people post WHAT on the Booru?"

I love you.

Factory Factory wrote::v: This is a Derpy Pony. And this...

:amazing: This is what is known as a Derpy Pony that has ascended past a Derpy Pony. Or you could just call this a Derpy Pony 2.

Image And this... is to go... even further beyond!

And you.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:18 am

Image HEY GUYS DID YOU SEE THE NEW EPISODE IT WAS GREAT

:amazing: YEAH I KNOW IT WAS GREAT

:yay: I still can't believe that ending!

:evil: Season One was better.

:rant: :twonk: :gonkity:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:45 am

Yeah that was alright, I'm glad I got to see it.

I can pat myself on the back a tiny bit because I just knew it would turn out that Starlight Glimmer was deceiving them in some way about her own CM :twiright: . When she spilt that bucket of water over herself I knew what was up.

Starlight Glimmer certainly seemed keen to hang on to the Mane 6's cutie marks, she didn't just lock them in the vault with all the riff-raff.

Guessing that we'll see her again given that she got away scot free.

Anyway, I've only been watching the show since about October 2014 so all I can say is :ponydrugs:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:08 pm

This one is made for the newbie thread.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:48 pm

I just now got time to watch it, and yeah, wow, this is great stuff. I appreciate that this episode seems to represent Meghan and the gang stepping down from the epic-ness of past two-parters. I'll have to post more (and finish reading the thread! :twonk:) later, but for now, yay :ponydrugs:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:15 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I just now got time to watch it, and yeah, wow, this is great stuff. I appreciate that this episode seems to represent Meghan and the gang stepping down from the epic-ness of past two-parters. I'll have to post more (and finish reading the thread! :twonk:) later, but for now, yay :ponydrugs:


Hope it stays like that. I'd hate for Starlight to return at seasons end with some, magical McGuffin that suddenly makes her a threat to all of Equestria.

:ponder: I wonder if the map can/will send ponies off on solo missions sometimes. Maybe have them face Starlight on their own...
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:18 pm

:deflated: Laughs don't come in barrels...they come from inside you as your body's response to delight.

:maud: I couldn't have put it better myself.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:36 pm

Factory Factory wrote: :v: This is a Derpy Pony. And this...

:amazing: This is what is known as a Derpy Pony that has ascended past a Derpy Pony. Or you could just call this a Derpy Pony 2.

Image And this... is to go... even further beyond!

Image AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:41 pm

On Fluttershy in this episode: I understood her point of view from the first second of it. A community without interpersonal conflict sounds fantastic, especially if you're someone who is both highly empathetic and who worries a lot, like her. The thing is, though, decreasing unhappiness does not necessarily result in a net increase in happiness. Most people aren't affected quite so badly by social negativity and would thus quickly reach the conclusion that Starlight Glimmer is wrong, but for Fluttershy, an escape from having to worry about how others see you is highly appealing.

I wonder how much of this was by M. A. Larson and how much was by Scott Sonneborn. Larson has frequently said that he doesn't "get" Fluttershy and people like her and it's really showed in episodes like Magic Duel. As such, while Fluttershy having a big part in saving the day definitely feels like his influence, I get the feeling that much of her characterization here was thanks to Sonneborn.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:54 pm

Chaos Sonic wrote:So how long until someone ships Party Favors with Pokey Pierce? :gotcha:


That's like mixing matter and anti-matter. Massive explosions are inevitable. (Pic related, just before Ponyville is obliterated)

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:03 pm

On Starlight Glimmer: I think her intentions were (relatively) pure. Sure she reserved power for herself, but I think that was because she was the only one who had learned to remove someone's cutie mark, and thus she had to be the one to usher Equestria into a new age of equality. She really wanted to make things better, but she had the wrong idea of how to actually do it. (I remember that I arrived at the exact same conclusion on Amon after watching the first season of Korra. :wat:)

I'm not expecting to see her again, at least not in S5. Maybe we'll see her make a Trixie-esque return in another season or two.
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This is something I noticed a long time ago, but without having seen the "normal" Starlight Glimmer, I figured that maybe she was just normally ultra-bright or something. The equalization effect is nowhere near as visually strong as Discord's curse (for example) was; had the desaturation been more pronounced, perhaps I would've given it another thought.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:49 pm

WandereringPony wrote:
That's like mixing matter and anti-matter. Massive explosions are inevitable.


In my fic, they both voluntarily give up their cutie marks so they can be together. :allears:

That's ... that'd be a happy ending, right? Discuss.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:00 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:In my fic
Already a sad ending. :saddershy:
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Postby Wooten (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:37 pm

The episode was good. I liked the part with the horsies.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:39 pm

Wooten wrote:The episode was good. I liked the part with the horsies.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:02 pm

:squintyjack: Fizzbuzz...is there something you knew before everybody else?
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:19 pm

So that episode was really good. Probably my second favourite season opener behind Return of Harmony. :allears:

A lot of really good jokes near the start, and once the plot got going, it was really interesting and was paced really nicely. The town and people in it were genuinely creepy for the most part, really getting getting across how unnatural and weird forced happiness can be, a la We Happy Few.


I saw the twist a mile away once I saw the cutie mark vault, but it still fit with the story well. It was great that Fluttershy was the one who was sent undercover, since she hates any kind of conflict, and a town with no such conflict seems like it would be a great fit for her.

Finally, I'm really glad that the mane 6/Twilight weren't the ones that saved the day this time. That was getting really boring, how pretty much the same thing in every opener/finale. Bad things happen, struggles happen, Twilight/mane 6 come and save the day, end. Them being in an actually vulnerable and useless state was a really good way to get them out of the climax of the story, and it was done in a way that for some strange reason makes sense. :v: I don't understand why Applejack's countryisms got taken away, considering that the other characters' mannerisms weren't taken away. (Pinkie's were subdued, but after they happen, not straight up taking here hyperness away.)

I like it a lot. If this season ends up being a bit more adventure heavy, I'd welcome it. As much as I like the slice of life stuff, if they can keep on doing stuff like this for this season, then it'll end up being a really good one. :crack:

Also, I head a Willhelm scream during the party at the end, I guess somebody died. :v:
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Postby Dragoness (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:37 pm

Damn, that was a good ep.

Also Party Favor was frigging awesome.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:37 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote: :squintyjack: Fizzbuzz...is there something you knew before everybody else?

The way the stallions of this village have their hair cut is actually frighteningly close to how my hair (and by extension, my OC's hair) is generally cut and parted :wat:

But for real, I think it's rather interesting how the hair of these ponies was restored to their normal appearance when they got their cutie marks back. Since ponies don't normally wear clothes, their hair colors and styles are often their most immediately distinguishing feature, before you get a look at their cutie marks.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:57 pm

Could be a version of "state approved haircuts and styles". I think North Korea has those.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:58 pm

:awesomedash: Damn, I forgot how good this show can be. I had gone cold turkey for the entire hiatus to avoid any potential spoilers, only reading the comics and watching EQG2. I didn't even rewatch old episodes to keep nostalgia from clouding my judgement of the new season. However during the hiatus I followed Gravity Falls, Steven Universe and Korra, easily some of the best animated shows of this decade and after their most recent episodes I started to underestimate how good this new season could be in comparison. "Pony has great stories but it has be written for a younger audience" and "Hasbro controls the IP, DHX only push the envelope so far" would be my excuses if the season was less than stellar.

Boy was I wrong, I never expected this show to deal with such a real-world topic, specially for a 2 parter. The ponies have dealt with lots of creepy monsters and evil abominations but none of them sent cold shivers down my spine quite like this episode with the cult village. The scenes in the "re-education" room effected me personally because of the brain washing techniques that felt all too similar to a self help "seminar" I was dragged into once. Neither of Celestia's "deaths" or the destruction of the library created a scene as dark as the mane 6 being slowly broken psychologically.

I'm glad the staff did something new with this grounded, realistic villain instead of simply trying to one-up the anime spectacle of the Tirek fight. Starlight might not be the most entertaining villain but she needs to come back with a new army of Equalists Markless that willingly adopted her ideals and NOT turn into a evil abomination that gets a rainbow redemption. Pinkie was great this episode, ironically she was more cautious and perceptive of the threat than the rest of the group for once. This is also the first 2 parter without the royal exposition dumps which was great for Twilight stepping into her princess role; seeking out major problems herself and handling them with her posse.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:13 pm

Actually, yeah, I just realized that this is, to date, the only two-parter where Celestia doesn't appear at all.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:45 pm

Starlight asked her "Do you know Princess Celestia?" And she didn't even answer. :gotcha:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:11 pm

So, that song. Am I rite? :ohgawd:

Here's what it reminded me of, oddly:



"Revolutionary propaganda march" was another one of those things pretty high up on my list of "things I do not expect ever to see in My Little Pony", but here we are. And knowing that Daniel Ingram is capable of a whole lot more genres than just the cheerful bubblegum stuff that made up almost the entire show up until we got our first melancholy song in MMC, it doesn't surprise me that they're willing to branch out even further than the more adventuresome things they've done in the past like This Day Aria and SSCS6K.

The premise of the song is to be something that's inspiring to those who sing it, but that comes across as vaguely unsettling and full of veiled threats to outsiders. That's a tall order for a show of this type, to carry that kind of subtext. Especially because by its nature it's actually making a direct commentary on certain political phenomena in the real world. The song does a great job of conveying the insidious evil of a "utopia" like Starlight's—something that is imposed with the explicit intention of doing good, and bought into by people who delude themselves into thinking that their goal is good and any failings along the way are due to their own ineptitude or lack of commitment. It's a commentary that applies to all kinds of cultish thinking, but it's presented here with the trappings that make it explicitly about the kinds of communist systems Orwell was writing about, and I doubt any Marxist-Leninists in the audience would be very amused. Get back to the Soapbox, pony show! :rant:

It's also a bit of a departure in that it's a diegetic song, meaning that it happens as a song in-universe. The ponies realize that they're putting on a performance, rather than it just being a normal piece of storytelling that happens to occur in song form for some reason—i.e. I'm sure Pinkie doesn't actually go around town leading chorus lines about the joys of smiling, and I'm sure all the ponies arriving at the Gala didn't actually all join in a song-and-dance number in order to get in the front gate. But here, that's exactly what they're doing. And it's for that reason that the lyrics have to carry an extra layer of subtext and intensity—the Mane Six are having this song sung at them, not inferring its meaning from their vague unspoken impressions of the place. They have to make the same judgment about the nature of the town that we do, and in the same real time. It's going to be just as confusing (and, to some :modesty: , seductive) to them as it is to us.

"Lyrics and Music by Daniel Ingram", huh? Good show old chap. Sounds like Danny is getting more invested in the show as it goes on, not less. If this is what it looks like when they hand the whole damn ball of wax of songwriting over to him, like they've done quite successfully a couple of times in the near past, this is going to be one of the biggest and most significant changes to the show's texture they've ever done—and all for the better, if you ask me.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:23 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I'm sure Pinkie doesn't actually go around town leading chorus lines about the joys of smiling,


This I refuse to believe :colbert:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:34 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:You think that Fluttershy emote would replace flutterdear?

It can be "flutterdearer". Leaving "flutterdearest" open for the inevitable shot of her cowering under a piece of furniture or something.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:42 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I'm sure Pinkie doesn't actually go around town leading chorus lines about the joys of smiling,


No way, man. Just you wait, they're totally going to do something like that. :v:
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:42 pm

I grew up in a cult, so this whole thing sent chills down my spine. I almost had to turn the damn thing off once or twice. It was less hard hitting than the Deep Space Nine episode for me, but I think it's good kids are being exposed to and taught how these things work in the hope that it will help them to avoid them.

That said, because this hits so close to home don't expect much analysis from me.

Headless Horse wrote:I spy with my little eye a running theme among Larson's ensemble episodes: having Fluttershy be the one who has to shoulder the burden and come through for the rest of them.

Return of Harmony, Magic Duel, this... possibly others?


Didn't Larson say he didn't like/didn't really understand Fluttershy? In my experiences with writers there's a tendency to play around with characters they don't understand to try to figure out what makes them tick, throw them in extreme circumstances to try to figure out how and why they react. It could also be the impulse to torture a character you don't like. Either way I don't think it's coming from a place of benevolence to Fluttershy.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:46 pm

The Ghost Of Ember wrote:I grew up in a cult, so this whole thing sent chills down my spine. I almost had to turn the damn thing off once or twice. It was less hard hitting than the Deep Space Nine episode for me, but I think it's good kids are being exposed to and taught how these things work in the hope that it will help them to avoid them.

That said, because this hits so close to home don't expect much analysis from me.



Didn't Larson say he didn't like/didn't really understand Fluttershy? In my experiences with writers there's a tendency to play around with characters they don't understand to try to figure out what makes them tick, throw them in extreme circumstances to try to figure out how and why they react. It could also be the impulse to torture a character you don't like. Either way I don't think it's coming from a place of benevolence to Fluttershy.


I'd say Larson has a great grasp on Fluttershy. Other play her meek manner for laughs. So does Larson, but with the payoff that she's overcoming a lot to come through for her friends.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:55 pm

Maybe that's why he feels like he doesn't "get" her: he always wants her meekness to be in service of something, some end goal, rather than just being a characteristic she happened to roll in the toss of the D20. Other writers seem more able to just have her be what she is for no greater reason, and maybe that's what he doesn't feel able to grok.
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