S04E12: Pinkie Pride

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Re: S04E12: Pinkie Pride

Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:28 pm

For the song being based on "Belle" from Beauty and the Beast" I kind of wish they hadn't passed up the opportunity to toss the "that girl is strange, no question" line into Pinkie the Party Planner. :lol:
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Postby Tears (?) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:57 pm

I listened to the Beauty and the Beast song and I can definitely see the germ of Party Planner in it, but Pinkie's song has all kinds of variation on it.

Also, listening to the songs on the ranking thread, Pinkie's usual singer has a great, very pure voice, but I love all the little Pinkie-isms Andrea puts into her singing in Goof Off, to the point where I wonder what it would be like if she got a whole song to sing. Did she do all the short Pinkie songs we saw in S1?
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:40 pm

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................................

A for effort? :yikes:

Y'know, when I said I'd love more 'F*** it :party: ' episodes that emphasized on the fun-aspect, I didn't mean to see a Supreme Commander-esque Party Tank in FiM :facehoof:

Where to start....

I guess Cheese Sandwich. Being the uncultured person that I am :snobtavia: I was intimidated by his character since I didn't know Weird Al and thought I wouldn't get his shtick while everyone else did. While there was some references that I didn't get like that chicken or maybe his band members and he did come off as more of a special guest compared to JDL as Discord because of his shticks, I think I was able to see him still as a character kinda. He also had a few funny lines like "I was ready before I was born"
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What this episode did very well was that it had a lot of fun lively imagery and great facial expressions :q: like the emotes and when Pinkie went: "I challenge you... TO A GOOF OFF!"

With the Weirdness... it's kinda contradictory that a weird person like me was legit weirded out by this episode. That tank Hitler probably would never build, the real life footage of Gummie or that chicken puppetry, the hippo in the present, and whatnot got me doing the : psyducks : . I think I would've been fine with them if these weird things weren't juxtaposed against Ponyvilel and rather a surreal background. Yknow, like the CMC songs such as Babs Seed with their own surreal scenery. When these weird things are played against the Ponyville background instead of a surreal scenery, it feels really off and jarring to me.

And about the songs... I'm probably gonna get crucified for this :ohgawd: but I thought at best the songs were okay while others were forgettable. And coming from AKR who proselytized her Second Coming and bringing her ukulele to every con (that I watched through) and wrote the Smile song, I was kinda disappointed. Is it because the songs were Weird Al-esque which I never heard? I dunno but I wasn't really a fan of the songs in this episode. I mean, some had a nice tune to them but they pass by so quickly that they end before I can really appreciate them. My 'favorite' (which is okay) song was at the Birthday celebration and like that catchy Cafeteria song in EqG, it was interrupted/not given a proper ending because the story got in the way. I guess they might sell the official uncut song in the future.


The last thing I'll talk about is Rainbow and Pinkie. I haven't read anyone else's impressions but I found Rainbow Dash's decision to ditch Pinkie Pie to be really off putting. Given what the what have gone through in the entire series from Griffon Brush Off to Over A Barrel to Wonderbolts Academy and whatnot, I'm kinda surprised to see Rainbow just ditch Pinkie like that. I don't really buy that Rainbow would be someone to exchange a friend for all this flash (Cheese). Maybe it's because it's S4. I mean, I could see this happen in S2 or even S3 at the very latest but given all they've been through and how each character has noticeably grown up/matured, I'm taken back by Rainbow's decision

And finally Pinkie Pie, AKR's favorite pony... I wonder if this is a fault of having the episode mostly in a musical but then again MMC was able to pull on my heart strings though thanks mostly to the visual imagery. The best part about Pinkie Pie was when she wasn't singing. I even found her 'sad' songs to not really be that sad which I guess is because they didn't use any surreal backgrounds and instead played it straight against the Ponyville background that looks the same and had no gloomy dark tones (MMC). Plus the lyrics to the songs weren't that great imo.

I think Pinkie's motivation could've been much more gripping too. Sure she loves throwing parties and I guess Rainbow's party is also supposed to be important but if they added some personal connection between the two, Pinkie and Rainbow, then it might've made me care more about Pinkie overcoming Cheese. Because I'm also surprised that Pinkie never brought up how Rainbow Dash caused her to get her cutie mark and therefore be the Bright Lovable pony she is today (Cutie Mark Chronicles). If she said that (which she had an opportunity to do so when looking at the photos. Maybe cut out the parts about Cadence and Shining Armor and instead talk about Rainbow Dash?

But what was the most off putting was when Pinkie decided to leave Ponyville :pcstare: "But Cobbler, they never said she'd leave Ponyville" But why is she out in the road then with all her stuff after the last scene was in Ponyville? I mean, I had to rewatch that scene in case I was wrong and that the scene took place elsewhere but no, it was in Ponyville and Pinkie then appeared outside of Ponyville as if she was going to leave. Like, talk about emotional whiplash. First we're having a Weird-Off battle then suddenly Pinkie decides to leave Ponyville? Again, maybe if Pinkie stated how important Rainbow was to her (Cutie Mark Chronicles and other episodes) that it compelled her to feel left behind on the wayside, then I get it. But all I got was Pinkie felt bad about not being able to throw a party because it's Cheese's fault/her fault when the key term that was missing was "RAINBOW's" party.

In conclusion, this is one of the hardest episodes for me to give my thoughts on :ponder: Ironic too given that this is a musical and a Pinkie episode. On one hand the episode looked great and f***ing A for effort on the songs and I kinda liked Weird Al but on the other hand, the songs weren't that great, the surreal weird stuff felt out of place when Ponyville was in the background, Rainbow Dash's decision was very jarring to me given her relationship with Pinkie Pie, and Pinkie's own motivation felt like it could've greatly been more gripping if she came off like she cared more about Dash than her birthday party.

I therefore must say I liked it as much as Castlemane-ia, an okay episode that could've done more but it at least had the fun moments and Pinkie, despite her lacking motivation for me, is hard to write poorly for (I even still at least liked her in A Friend In Deed and MMMystery on... Train). But I also have to give it credit for having a lot of effort from everyone involved too.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:57 pm

Am I the only one who's a bit weirded out by :shenanigans:? I get what they're going for, but the star eyes kill it for me :v:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:27 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:Am I the only one who's a bit weirded out by :shenanigans:? I get what they're going for, but the star eyes kill it for me :v:

Everypony's starry eyed. :v:

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Postby Somnambula (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:36 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:But why is she out in the road then with all her stuff after the last scene was in Ponyville? I mean, I had to rewatch that scene in case I was wrong and that the scene took place elsewhere but no, it was in Ponyville and Pinkie then appeared outside of Ponyville as if she was going to leave. Like, talk about emotional whiplash.


I agree that scene would have been weird if Pinkie had been leaving Ponyville, but I don't think that's how it's meant to be interpreted. I saw it as Pinkie packing up her party supplies from the area where Rainbow's party was being staged (which was probably slightly outside of or on the edge of town, to accommodate all the roller coasters 'n shit) and taking them back to Sugarcube Corner.

In her dialogue, Pinkie never says anything about leaving town, but rather, having lost the competition to be the party headliner, she tells Rainbow that Cheese would do a great job and she should have her day. That doesn't sound like she's skipping town to me; if she were, I would expect her to be totally depressed or upset! Additionally, when Pinkie and Cheese reconcile, they turn around and are immediately back in the Rainbow Dash's party zone area, lending credence to the theory that Pinkie was just packing up her stuff there.

Sooo....all in all, I don't think Pinkie was leaving.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:38 am

AppleCobbler44 wrote:But what was the most off putting was when Pinkie decided to leave Ponyville :pcstare: "But Cobbler, they never said she'd leave Ponyville" But why is she out in the road then with all her stuff after the last scene was in Ponyville? I mean, I had to rewatch that scene in case I was wrong and that the scene took place elsewhere but no, it was in Ponyville and Pinkie then appeared outside of Ponyville as if she was going to leave. Like, talk about emotional whiplash. First we're having a Weird-Off battle then suddenly Pinkie decides to leave Ponyville? Again, maybe if Pinkie stated how important Rainbow was to her (Cutie Mark Chronicles and other episodes) that it compelled her to feel left behind on the wayside, then I get it. But all I got was Pinkie felt bad about not being able to throw a party because it's Cheese's fault/her fault when the key term that was missing was "RAINBOW's" party.


She was the one putting her self-worth into being "that pony who throws parties the best" throughout the whole episode, let alone a good portion of the series. If she felt like she can't do the one thing that she should be able to do, why should she stay around? She thought he was essentially taking her place, so it makes sense for her to want to leave. We as the omnipotent audience know that Cheese could never replace her, because we can see that he's a loner who's never going to stay around. He doesn't know the Mane 6 well enough to know all their quirks, and he certainly will never learn the names and birthdays of every pony in town. Pinkie doesn't see that because A) she just met the guy and doesn't know him well enough, and B) is distracted with her own emotions and makes a few poor decisions in the heat of it all.

FAKE PREVIEW EDIT: Or what Somnambula said. :thejoke:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:44 am

Pinkie has been established as one to feel abandoned at the drop of a hat. Look at Party of One, and that character trait was the reason for the conflict this episode. It was all in Pinkie's head.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:47 am

Somnambula wrote:
I agree that scene would have been weird if Pinkie had been leaving Ponyville, but I don't think that's how it's meant to be interpreted. I saw it as Pinkie packing up her party supplies from the area where Rainbow's party was being staged (which was probably slightly outside of or on the edge of town, to accommodate all the roller coasters 'n shit) and taking them back to Sugarcube Corner.

In her dialogue, Pinkie never says anything about leaving town, but rather, having lost the competition to be the party headliner, she tells Rainbow that Cheese would do a great job and she should have her day. That doesn't sound like she's skipping town to me; if she were, I would expect her to be totally depressed or upset! Additionally, when Pinkie and Cheese reconcile, they turn around and are immediately back in the Rainbow Dash's party zone area, lending credence to the theory that Pinkie was just packing up her stuff there.

Sooo....all in all, I don't think Pinkie was leaving.


Yeah, I guess the scene was mostly for dramatic/emotional effect rather than for the audience to go: "She's leaving Ponyville" and instead "She lost and now isn't going to do a party" thing.


Davyinatoga wrote:
She was the one putting her self-worth into being "that pony who throws parties the best" throughout the whole episode, let alone a good portion of the series. If she felt like she can't do the one thing that she should be able to do, why should she stay around? She thought he was essentially taking her place, so it makes sense for her to want to leave. We as the omnipotent audience know that Cheese could never replace her, because we can see that he's a loner who's never going to stay around. He doesn't know the Mane 6 well enough to know all their quirks, and he certainly will never learn the names and birthdays of every pony in town. Pinkie doesn't see that because A) she just met the guy and doesn't know him well enough, and B) is distracted with her own emotions and makes a few poor decisions in the heat of it all.

FAKE PREVIEW EDIT: Or what Somnambula said. :thejoke:


I personally like to think that Pinkie would have grown past her love for parties solely because of the word, "Party" and learn to appreciate what matters most, the birthday pony, "Rainbow Dash". It's kinda why I said this episode might've made more sense if it was in S2 or S3 at the latest because Pinkie and Rainbow not only have bonded more than ever but both kinda grew up. I could see Pinkie being more about the party/her competition with Cheese earlier in the series or Rainbow being all about the flash and 'epicness' but this late into the series?... I dunno, I would have at the very least liked it if Pinkie saw through all the competition, the party, and whatnot and fought for her friendship with Rainbow instead of being upstaged by some stranger taking over her 'tribute' to her great friend.

There's a bit of me who wonders if this was the result of AKR being gone from the series for some time and not having seen WB Academy or just not watching the series as much to consider Griffon Brush Off and whatnot which I can see kinda happening since Writing takes place before animation and writers may not see their episode for a long time.
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Edit: Going on from Pinkie and Rainbow... It kinda would've been poetic because back in Griffon Brush Off, Twilight accused Pinkie of being jealous of Gilda upstaging her with Rainbow which wasn't true whereas here, I kinda felt that Pinkie was jealous.

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Postby Big Boss (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:58 am

Dumb things I notice:

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Check out the green pegasus mare in the back left. She's using Twilight's princess body model. These'll probably be showing up more in the background.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:59 am

It doesn't seem that bad to me. While that pony in question would be better off without Twilight's pointy wings, more differentiation even in the background ponies is always welcome.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:00 am

I thought the implication was pretty clear that Pinkie was leaving Ponyville. Cheese specifically addressed that thought in his reconciliation line.

Rainbow Dash is right. I never meant to take your place in Ponyville. I just wanted to show you what a great party pony I am, Pinkie.


Classic overreaction on Pinkie's part. Seemed pretty straightforward and believable to me. :pinkieshrug:


E: Rainbow Dash's line preceding it is pretty hilariously meta:

But don't you get it? You're both super duper party ponies. Sure, Cheese Sandwich is a great guest party pony, but you're Ponyville's permanent party pony. Nopony could ever take your place, and we could never have a party without you.


:v: Wasn't that a great guest spot you guys?
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:04 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:It doesn't seem that bad to me. While that pony in question would be better off without Twilight's pointy wings, more differentiation even in the background ponies is always welcome.


I wasn't criticizing it, I was just making note of it. "Dumb things I notice" is just shorthand for "things that aren't important but I like to point out."
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:42 am

Random thought, what happens to the keys when they use them on the box at the end?

I'm genuinely curious, because I'd hate to see anything bad happen to boneless. :thejoke:


:hiiiii: Heya Pinkie, how's my old buddy Boneless doin!?

:deflated: Oh ahh well you see.... We ah, there was this chest, and keys, and.....boneless kind of got sucked in and turned into part of a giant rainbow that gave us all new magical powers..so, yeah.


:hiiiii: ................

:shenanigans: But on the bright side I can make my parties even crazier then before!!!
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:09 am

Headless Horse wrote:I thought the implication was pretty clear that Pinkie was leaving Ponyville. Cheese specifically addressed that thought in his reconciliation line.

Mmmm, that is pretty damning. If this is so, I just wish they had some time, even a bit, to specify that's what it was and the severity of the reaction. As it stands, we got nothing on it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:19 am

It felt clear to me, too. In fact, I'm a bit surprised that there was even this sort of reaction to Pinkie getting upset and leaving. To me, that just felt like Pinkie Pie being Pinkie Pie. She gets depressed if she thinks she's been abandoned and she overreacts to nearly everything. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:30 am

Even if it's Pinkie overreacting, it's a Big Deal. I know it was squeezed out due to time, but resolving a Big Deal in <1 minute is going to turn some heads.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:32 am

It also helped that Pinkie didn't seem quite like she used to be back in episodes like Party of One. Consider how her hair never fully deflated and how "Pinkie's Lament" actually had her talking herself out of her problems. Were this S1 then I'd be put off by such a quick resolution, but examples of how she's (somewhat) grown up like that made the quick turnaround feel real to me.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:42 am

I wonder if


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is a callback to

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I love this little exchange
:hiiiii: This Cheese has stood alone a long time, Pinkie Pie. You think you can out-goof me?
:skeptical: Oh, I don't think so. I know so! And the stakes are high, Cheese Sandwich. Whoever wins will be dubbed the ultimate super duper party pony and headline the Rainbow Dash birth-iversary bash!
:shock: And the loser?
:sbahj: Doesn't!


I got chills. :gotcha: Thunderdome doesn't have anything on this!
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:57 am

If Pinkie planned the foalshower where the Cakes chose Pound and Pumpkin's names, why was she surprised in the delivery room when she learned that they'd had twins? :ponder:
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:59 am

Maybe they were like, "If it's a girl we'll name her Pumpkin, but if it's a boy we'll name him Pound."

And then a miracle happened. :-D
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:10 am

PictishBeast wrote:If Pinkie planned the foalshower where the Cakes chose Pound and Pumpkin's names, why was she surprised in the delivery room when she learned that they'd had twins? :ponder:


Maybe it's held after the birth? Like a naming party or something. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:10 am

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:And the stakes are high, Cheese Sandwich.


:hiiiii: "I had a similar contest with a pony like you when I was younger ..."
:hiiiii: "... but of course those were just filly Cheese stakes."
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Postby Jupiter (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:14 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:
:hiiiii: "I had a similar contest with a pony like you when I was younger ..."
:hiiiii: "... but of course that was just filly Cheese stakes."

Wrap it up, folks
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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:20 am

This forum needs a "pelting someone with tomatoes" emoticon.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:21 am

You could say this was one "Al" of an episode!

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Postby Veradox (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:26 am

Ok, I'm just gonna say it. I fucking LOVED this episode. Other than a few nitpicks, this episode is almost flawless. The songs were all great and catchy, the story was great, and the humour was top-notch. The only true complaints I have is the forced Man with no name reference at the end, and the pacing was a little fast. Best episode this season, and possibly the best episode of the show so far. 10/10.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:29 am

Pocket wrote:This forum needs a "pelting someone with tomatoes" emoticon.


Or a crowd of them just standing around in distraught stomach churning disbelief.


:nnngh: :facehoof: :skeptical: :applejargh: :whine: :nngh: :ohboy: "I laughed."
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Postby Sind (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:22 am

I don't get it :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:29 am

Sweetie Belle's face at the end of that is icing on the cake.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:56 am

Sind wrote:I don't get it :-I

Philadelphia is known for its cheese steaks. :-I
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Postby mr man (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:42 am

I don't really have anything to add other than this episode ruled! Way better than I imagined it would be, best episode of the season, would watch again 10/10 etc etc. :shenanigans:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:16 pm

But why is she out in the road then with all her stuff after the last scene was in Ponyville?


I also got fooled by thinking that Pinkie Pie would leave Ponyville too.

it's kinda contradictory that a weird person like me was legit weirded out by this episode.


I'm a weird person too.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:22 pm

You know...is this the most positive reception an episode has ever received?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:51 pm

The Doctor wrote:
Maybe it's held after the birth? Like a naming party or something. :pinkieshrug:

The names of the children had already been decided by the time Carrot Cake introduced them. MochaBean's explanation seems most likely, or at least like the best fit given what we do know.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:00 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:You know...is this the most positive reception an episode has ever received?

Don't disrespect <------- my AV. :glare:

(I would say this and HF and this are similar, a vast majority of greats or better and no worse than OK.)
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:28 pm

Actually the best thing in the history of forever.

(Disclaimer: Not actually. But pretty close.)
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:32 pm

As some of you (none of you) might (don't) remember, I do my own little freeze frame thing for every episode as a source of random wallpapers. It's one big folder full of :ponydrugs:

This episode creamed the previous record holder, Princess Twilight Sparkle Part One, which had 89 pics. This one had 122 :-D :shenanigans: I liked this episode a lot! It's a top 3 contender, definitely.
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Postby Lion Heart (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:37 pm

Loved the episode but I keep feeling like something was missing. Now, granted, that's how I've felt about the entire season so far for some reason. I've enjoyed every episode of Season 4 to some capacity but in the end, it always feels like there was something missing to help make them A+. But I can't tell what.

What a cruddy opinion to have about the new episode huh? "Good but it was missing a certain...something :rariwhat: ". Geez.

Now that said, I still really enjoyed it. Weird Al was great. Pinkie was great (I feel like they do a much better job writing her when she's the center of attention rather than a side character to be honest). The songs were great.

Gummy of course, stole the show.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:01 pm

Lyric chat again, but the opening number is great. One of my favorite numbers in the show, easily. And they solved the whole "pink-EE" emphasis problem by simply using her full name. Check out how well this works:

Don't HAVE much time to GA-ther all the THINGS I NEED
If I'm REALLY gonna MAKE this party FLY
For to-DAY's another DAY that all of PO-nyville will SAY
There GOES the super PAR-ty pony PINK-ie PIE!


I capitalized the stressed syllables to point out how they line up with natural pronunciation (party, pinkie, the second syllable of today) and how the meter is pleasing to hear and fun to sing: the last line is basically bum bah dadadada bah dadadada Bum...Bum...Bum.

Also nice internal rhyme on line 3.

This song is a real pleasure and one of my favorite songs of S4 next to Apples to the Core.

And it would have perfect too, if they hadn't ended it with "our super party pony pink-EE!" :yellsatcloud:
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