S05E14: Canterlot Boutique

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Re: S05E14: Canterlot Boutique

Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:14 am

I think one of the problems Rarity was having was that each of the dresses she mass produced was slightly worse off then the last because she was rushing. Ruining the quality of her work. If you noticed pony society is generally resistant of mass produced goods. Like in the case of the super cider squeeze 6000. I think it might having something to do with detracting from their special talents if it is not hoof made. Like how would a pony with a special talent in making something feel if any pony without that talent could make it faster and cheaper? It would be harder to make a living off of it and lead to insecurity and depression issues. A good reason why so many would be opposed to it.
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Postby Cthulhu Inc (?) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:53 am

SSCS6K was explicitly better than Apple Family cider, the problem was the operators were dumb. We see a video game arcade, and there's mention of bullets and tanks, which necessitate mass production, since modern weaponry relies on interchangable parts, and electronics requires manufacturing millions of transistors and other...electronics things.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:37 pm

Cthulhu Inc wrote:SSCS6K was explicitly better than Apple Family cider, the problem was the operators were dumb. We see a video game arcade, and there's mention of bullets and tanks, which necessitate mass production, since modern weaponry relies on interchangable parts, and electronics requires manufacturing millions of transistors and other...electronics things.


Or magic. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:02 pm

Soft Snow wrote:If you noticed pony society is generally resistant of mass produced goods.


I'd argue that based what we've seen of Canterlot, they DO like mass produced, popular goods. They follow trends, and flavors of the week. We've seen this both in this episode, and back in Sweet and Elite.
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Postby Glazius (?) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:08 am

Cthulhu Inc wrote:SSCS6K was explicitly better than Apple Family cider, the problem was the operators were dumb. We see a video game arcade, and there's mention of bullets and tanks, which necessitate mass production, since modern weaponry relies on interchangable parts, and electronics requires manufacturing millions of transistors and other...electronics things.


You'd be surprised, actually.

  • Why are these called "bullet points"?
  • The word comes from the French "boulet", or "small ball"
  • It was originally coined in the 17th century to refer to cannon shot.

Battle tanks are called "tanks" because the chassis had some similarities in size and shape to municipal water tanks, so "tank" was the internal code word used by engineers developing the prototypes. The name just stuck.

The Transistor actually existed before all of Cloudbank and was found in an area near the outskirts as part of the Goldwalk development, suggesting the word actually existed in-- oh, wait, that's something different. Yeah, I got nothing there.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:53 am

I was referring more from the perspective of the artisans. I'm sure the ponies love mass produced goods but the ponies crafting those things may feel threatened by the idea. I guess from my point of view if my special talent was making pottery and some pony came along and made a machine thst could quickly mass produce pots that every pony wanted I would feel like my special talent just isn't that special any more. Not only that it would cut into my profits and effect my livelihood. Can you imagine the thing you are best at no pony cares for? If I was in a simulare experience I would protest the idea of mass production as well.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:23 pm

Cthulhu Inc wrote:SSCS6K was explicitly better than Apple Family cider, the problem was the operators were dumb. We see a video game arcade, and there's mention of bullets and tanks, which necessitate mass production, since modern weaponry relies on interchangable parts, and electronics requires manufacturing millions of transistors and other...electronics things.


Visual gags, such as a young colt with a video arcade, are, I think, just visual gags, and no more. Ditto for cunning, punning names, such as Tank (if they possessed tanks, which I sincerely doubt, arming guards with aught else but spears seems rather… odd). We have been shown nothing conclusive about a robust Equestrian industrial base, and until such (regrettable) times I maintain the following:

  1. It's magic
  2. It's magic
  3. Never have we been promised that the show writers be consistent, especially if Rule of Funny applies, and finally, but not least
  4. It's magic

This was an excellent episode, and one that markedly improves upon rewatching, as it is easier to, e.g., catch Sassy's little ticks then. She really wants the Boutique to succeed, and right from the start fears failure – unsurprising, given her past experience. Once these two mares get one another, they should be a force to be reckoned with in the equine fashion world.

Rarity is an absolute joy throughout – this is Rarity in her true elements of inspiration and bringing joy to others through her art. Right from the series' start, Rarity has craved recognition from society. Over the past seasons, she has gained it, while retaining a connection to her origins, and now she gets the opportunity to experience that success is not all one might hope for, if it comes at the cost of that which we enjoy in life. Her art in the end remains an intimate, close act with the customer, and satisfaction is derived, not from mere fame (though Rarity would never shrink away from that), but in enriching the life of an individual with something just right.

I'll admit that I thought that the writers might well chose the rather obvious path of whether Rarity would have to stay in Canterlot (something that almost invariantly is taken for a given in fanfic), but her clear confirmation of Ponyville as her base ended those expectations quite effectively.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:20 am

Niels Olof wrote:Ditto for cunning, punning names, such as Tank (if they possessed tanks, which I sincerely doubt, arming guards with aught else but spears seems rather… odd).

In this timeline, Equestria is still part of Civiliation III. :iamapony:
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Postby Lhet (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:43 am

Forgot that this aired last week, just saw it.

Really really good.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:24 am

Niels Olof wrote:Ditto for cunning, punning names, such as Tank (if they possessed tanks, which I sincerely doubt, arming guards with aught else but spears seems rather… odd).


You think tanks don't exist in the non-visual-gag FiM universe?
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:34 pm

That kind of tank, I have no issue with.


Much as I enjoyed this episode (and it is a wonderful Rarity episode), now, an episode later, it nearly only serves to set the scene for the majesty of Rarity Investigates!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:34 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Much as I enjoyed this episode (and it is a wonderful Rarity episode), now, an episode later, it nearly only serves to set the scene for the majesty of Rarity Investigates!

Would you have felt the same way had they not aired consecutively? There was originally a different episode meant to air in between the two, but it got moved ahead to air on Halloween instead.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:38 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Would you have felt the same way had they not aired consecutively? There was originally a different episode meant to air in between the two, but it got moved ahead to air on Halloween instead.

I am a little worried that people will feel Rarity overload with her episodes so clumped up like this. She gets good episodes, but they're definitely a little different from typical slice of life pony fare, and ya gotta share the wealth, y'know?
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:02 pm

Niels Olof wrote:That kind of tank, I have no issue with.


Much as I enjoyed this episode (and it is a wonderful Rarity episode), now, an episode later, it nearly only serves to set the scene for the majesty of Rarity Investigates!



It's a little strange, if you take a step back and look at it, that these two episodes basically handed Rarity (a shop in Canterlot) and Rainbow Dash (a performance with the Wonderbolts) the exact things they wanted ever since the show started- and that they -never acknowledge- that fact as such. It's just, "Yep, Rarity has a Canterlot location now because of course she does, she's good at fashion." and "Yep, Dash gets called up to the first team because she's actually as good as she says she is. No biggie." A lesser show would've fallen all over itself to make sure we knew it was everything they ever wanted.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:24 am

That's what dreams coming true is like, in real life. It's cool, in some ways, but in other ways it's just another workaday layer of bullshit to deal with. There's no "happily ever after". There's just a new kind of today.

Pony's always been good at conveying the really important life lessons as subtext beneath the much more explicit morals.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:11 pm

Will there come a point where all the ponies have achieved their life/career goals, and become too busy with their own daily bullshit to stay friends or to deal with the next crisis?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:16 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Will there come a point where all the ponies have achieved their life/career goals, and become too busy with their own daily bullshit to stay friends or to deal with the next crisis?

If that ever happens then that'd most likely be the end of the series. And even if that did happen, I imagine that Applejack, Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pie would still remain friends, considering that none of them have particularly demanding or ambitious lives.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:25 pm

I wouldn't want the show to end like that because it'd be super depressing, obviously. But I could roll with seeing it as a short mini-arc; or something that happens between seasons, where the new season opens with the ponies having been occupied with their own lives and not really being friends for a while. Then they reconnect to face the latest threat, learn their lesson and go "Whoa, let's not let that happen again."

The moral, of course, being that friendships must be tended and nurtured.

Also, this may be a particularly grown-up friendship issue and I'm showing my age by suggesting it. :granny:
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:13 pm

Eh. I think it's a fine lesson to say that sometimes, even the best friendships can end with the people involved simply moving on with their lives and moving apart.

I think the mane six moving on to other things would be a fine, bittersweet ending. To show that even if they don't see each other all the time anymore, that they're still friends and will always care for each other.

I'm 30 now, and I have my own career and am living a pretty adult life. There's friends I had in high school and college that I pretty much never see anymore. We still talk form time to time and are on good terms. I still consider them friends, but they're just not a big part of my life anymore. I have other, new friends that I see frequently. Doesn't mean the friends of my past were any less valuable to me. It's just part of life. I think that would be a very solid lesson for the finale.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:55 pm

There are about 80 million "oh no we all grew apart and let our friendships grow cold" fanfics, and I'd rather not see it in the show. Rarity episodes already kinda toe that line, and Twilight had that downer scene in the season 4 premiere where everyone rides off into the sunset to have fun without her.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:35 pm

Finally catching up and this was one of the Raritiest of Rarity episodes. Sure, it shared some similarities with Suited for Success, but it's looking at the creative process from another point of her career since she's successful and popular now. That's something I'm really digging about this season, it's showing the continued growths of the various characters along their chosen, individual paths.
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Postby Jill (?) » Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:54 am

  • Rarity gets a boutique in Canterlot. She won, episode over.
  • No of course not. We have yet another fashion horse who's overstepping their bounds.
  • Oboy a song.
  • So I guess the fashion world at large is full of pricks without the slightest appreciation for variation and creative freedom. But enough about the real world.
  • Raven pony totally speaks to me. Like nails on a chalkboard.
  • There's the fat horse people were bickering about in PPPP. I'm not going to a
  • At least this fashion horse whose name I've already forgotten had the best of intentions as far as making Rarity a success goes, but you can't just take the Rarity out of Rarity's work by mass-producing it. :vogue:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:24 am

The logic in this episode eludes me. Was Rarity's plan to sell nothing but one-of-a-kind, made-to-order dresses? And if so, why did she even bother to create a "line" and promote it in the first place? For that matter, how could she possibly do that if she's going to be spending all her time away from the shop? Were the princess dresses just supposed to be a sample of what sort of work she can do, like how people on DeviantArt will create an original piece, color it in three different styles, and be like "flat color is this much, cel shading is so-and-so, painterly is etc"?
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