S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

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Re: S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

Postby Thaddeus (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:55 pm

Took ya long enough. :rainbert: ( :D )
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:01 pm

Gravenstein wrote:Here is my opinion of this episode:

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I was expecting this ever since the episode aired.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:12 pm

My, this seems to generating a lot more controversy that I would have expected from it. It was an innocuous little episode without too many flaws.

I liked the breezies’ design (admittedly, had I not gone into computer science, it is likely I had become an entomologist, so I have a bias for wee little beasties), but what really sold me on them were their voices. Faux Swedish is adorable, and I get a kick out of North Americans trying to do Scandinavian (one of many reasons why I loved Frozen). Sea Breeze was a great character, and absolutely right throughout (I’ve been watching a lot of Regular Show lately, and while harsh by pony standards, he’s no Benson). You’ve got to be cruel to be kind, as Mrs Fiona Lewis puts it (1:47 in—apparently you can’t embed links into a video):



Spike was finally back to his true calling, and most of the cast were just being themselves, without necessarily contributing much to resolve the situation (and why should they have to? Since when did MLP:FiM become an exercise in narrative minimalism?) Rarity demonstrating that she can take it to eleven and beyond (and the animators having a field day tweaking lighting and colors to match her vision) was amusing. That dress was well above 100% reflectance.

As for the transformation, it was good to see Princess Twilight pull off major magic to resolve a crisis without any sort of hitch. :wingsright: Well, except for a certain pegasus turning needy...

As a key episode, there is IMHO still no matching Rarity Takes Manehattan for emotional and narrative impact, but that’s okay, because that episode set the bar awfully high. This was a low key episode, but it was good to see the staff realize Teaching of Kindness without having Fluttershy become a (momentary) jerk in the process. Fluttershy tearing Rarity and Pinkie Pie a new one in Putting Your Hoof Down is still one of my favorite Fluttershy scenes (it’s probably in my top five of all pony moments), but it is, largely, not that representative of her.

My only problem with the toy angle is that Hasbro should be putting out higher quality merchandize. I’d buy a good set of Mane Six Breezies in a heartbeat. They would make a killer mobile with those wings.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:55 pm

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Add this to Twilight's Tree Library Playset and Celestia's Chariot and the Warm-Water-Activated Cutie Marks and the Elements of Harmony Pony Accessories that the show keeps shoving at the toy division yelling "Take it! Take it! PLEEAAAASE :gonkity: " while the toy division is all like :q: :silly: :thejoke: BIBBIDY BIBBIDY BIBBIDY


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Postby !saak (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:03 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:They have animated a few scenes on the ones in the past. While I don't think they look bad, per se, they definitely are perceptibly different.

Yeah, I realized this just after posting :v: My guess is then that they animated it every other frame? I'd have to scroll through the episode frame by frame to see what's up then.

Headless Horse wrote:Honestly I don't think the slow-flapping wings have any "errors" in the way you guys are describing them; they're animated in a whole different way than wings normally are. Lots more frames, and they bend right up near the tips. The entire wing is differently constructed, too—look at that screenshot. The wings have a whole trailing edge full of feathers, which they hardly ever draw out like that. Usually a pegasus only has three or four main feathers visible at all.

But I'm not convinced this is an error. Here she's trying to "swim against the current" almost, like she's trying deliberately to slow down the wind. And the animators are so careful about the wing animation in the whole rest of that sequence, with close-ups calling attention to it and everything, that I can't imagine they just completely biffed it halfway through that clip and started getting their frames in reverse order.

I don't think there's anything wrong with how the wing articultes, it's as if they didn't allocate enough frames to convey a smooth motion :ponder:

May I point out that we're talking about the tiniest animation detail of an episode of My Little Pony in which the ponies guide a group of cute sentient ponybugs to their home? :v:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:08 pm


I'll have you know my 3yo daughter loves baby Spike :rainbert:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:09 pm


Hey now, the So Soft Newborn Spike doll is actually cute, largely because he's already a bipedal creature (thus actually looking natural in that sitting pose) and because we've actually seen him when he was a baby.


(Sudden thought: If you want a real glimpse at horror, imagine So Soft Newborn dolls of the EqG characters. :shepspike:)
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:20 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Hey now, the So Soft Newborn Spike doll is actually cute, largely because he's already a bipedal creature (thus actually looking natural in that sitting pose) and because we've actually seen him when he was a baby.


(Sudden thought: If you want a real glimpse at horror, imagine So Soft Newborn dolls of the EqG characters. :shepspike:)


I think that those would count as "nightmare fuel"... :ngh: And thus relegated to the weird thread... :starity:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:46 pm

Eh, that toy doesn't really creep me out. I can see how some would be weirded out, but it just looks so stupid to me.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:18 pm

Seabreeze strongly reminds me of Wind Whistler from G1's My Little Pony 'n Friends cartoon.
In particular, their personalities and interactions with the rest of their respective herds. They're smart, aware, and serious.
Seabreeze seems way more emotional and rude, although he was under a lot of anxious stress, what with a wife and baby to return to.

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Similar color schemes too.
Has anyone else made this connection, or am I reaching a bit here?
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Postby Minty (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:18 pm

I love Wind Whistler and baby Spike. :allears:

Considering the lockets in the toyline, I wonder if there will be a future episode where the ponies imprison Breezies in lockets for the hell of it.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:21 pm

Maybe they can appear in lockets or something. I have no idea if they'll make another appearance and if I want that or not.
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Postby Veradox (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:45 pm

I didn't really care for this episode too much. 3/10.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:06 pm

Alright, I couldn’t wait for Monday to watch it on itunes, too much heated spoilery discussion bubbling around this one.

After my bitter and uncomfortable disappointment with Twilight Time this was an episode I could really get behind. I understand it is quite divisive, but I will politely defend it against anyone, any time. To list all the things I love about it would be a waste of life - but not a single 30 second interval went by where I didn’t :ponydrugs:. This was reminiscent of the type of season 1 episode I actually liked. It’s comparable and tied to Bird In the Hoof, my personal favorite Fluttershy episode.

Here’s a brief sampler:

+> The mane 6’s heads all in a row as they whisper-cheered in unison.

+> Rarity’s entire post-intro scene and people’s responses to it.

+> Great little character moments for everyone actually. The kind of stuff that keeps me coming back for more.

+> Great line reads all over the place.

+> Spike backing away from Pinkie.

+> Mushroom hat.

+> Fluttershy covered in breezies.

+> The row of birds in Fluttershy’s house dourly turning to contemplate the invaders in their nest.

+> Sea Breeze is da feudal lord, man. :chillin:

+> That little squish-squeak noise when Sea Breeze beautifully spirals into the hive.

+> Mushroom hat.

+> The animation gags in Twilight’s spell (e.g. Rarity’s reaction to her leg suddenly shrinking right after her wonder at getting wings again).

+> The breezies themselves are so adorable I almost snapped a jaw tendon d’awwwing over every little thing they did. The design, the voices, the accents, the mushroom hat, the dancing couple, drinking from thimbles, putting on tiny sweaters, cowering with their wings folded over their heads, playing saxophones, smashing saxophones…

+> The mane 6 AS breezies is both adorable and funny. Just listen to ‘em!

All this and I feel as sick as a skateboard stunt right now, so I can only imagine how much I’ll like it when I recover and watch it a third time.

If this really ends up being considered one of the worst episodes of the show we truly have a special show on our hands.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:38 pm

Opinion seems pretty split, so I don't think it'll be generally regarded as one of the worst.

There's a lot of great moments, but I simply wasn't as invested in the episode as I am in other ones. It's missing the emotional weight that Fluttershy's episodes tend to have - the highs, the lows, the moment of triumph. The core emotional conflict here is more on the part of Sea Breeze rather than Fluttershy, and it's not really expressed fully until relatively late in the episode.

I suppose it really depends on what you feel is the most important thing about the show is as to your opinion on this one. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:01 pm

Amethyst_Gem wrote:Seabreeze strongly reminds me of Wind Whistler from G1's My Little Pony 'n Friends cartoon.
In particular, their personalities and interactions with the rest of their respective herds. They're smart, aware, and serious.
Seabreeze seems way more emotional and rude, although he was under a lot of anxious stress, what with a wife and baby to return to.

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Similar color schemes too.
Has anyone else made this connection, or am I reaching a bit here?


Isn't Wind Whistler that British Fluttershy pony?
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:07 pm

Venusy wrote:Opinion seems pretty split, so I don't think it'll be generally regarded as one of the worst.

There's a lot of great moments, but I simply wasn't as invested in the episode as I am in other ones. It's missing the emotional weight that Fluttershy's episodes tend to have - the highs, the lows, the moment of triumph. The core emotional conflict here is more on the part of Sea Breeze rather than Fluttershy, and it's not really expressed fully until relatively late in the episode.

I suppose it really depends on what you feel is the most important thing about the show is as to your opinion on this one. :pinkieshrug:


I agree it's a lot more of a trifle than a lot of Flutters episodes, but skimming the thread it seems like your mileage on the episode is pretty totally dependent on whether you vibe with the Breezies or not :beggarshy:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:22 pm

I love Wind Whistler and baby Spike


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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:44 pm

Durandal wrote:
Isn't Wind Whistler that British Fluttershy pony?

G1 Wind Whistler was basically Spock in pegasus mare form. The comparison to Sea Breeze doesn't really work for me, because WW was always calm and never a jerk intentionally, she was just kinda oblivious to others' feelings.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:47 pm

Passport Clean wrote: drinking from thimbles


I liked the way the water bunched up in the thimbles due to surface tension. Reminded me of this:

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This felt very "early S1" to me, and not in a bad way. It seemed like a return to worldbuilding both new and established. When they showed the breeze blowing through Ponyville and panned over to show that two pegasi were generating it, I was like "oh yeah, I guess I forgot they can do that, can't they?"
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:58 pm

  • Sind's point re: AJ's colloquialism is valid. Newborn babies are ugly as sin for at least the first week.
  • Likewise, IIRC a bunch of viewers were pretty displeased when infant ponies were first shown during Mysterious Mare-Do-Well. Two strikes.
  • Fairies are tiny European-esque people with veneer wings, usually long, graceful, and delicate. Breezies are tiny European-esque ponies with veneer wings, pretty much long, graceful and delicate (aside from Seabreeze who's only long). The design's solid enough, and was good enough for me.
  • What better way to ensure the Breezies' chances of success than to turn the fastest, most agile flyer into one. Sonic Rainwhoosh! :v:
  • I sat through the cringe-worthy tripe of an intro/Act 1 that is Rarity Takes Manehattan and that episode got infinitely better afterwards, so don't quite write this episode off yet.
  • How are we so sure that the portal in is the same as the portal out, or that it doesn't change location every year due to planetary alignment affecting magical flarespots in the world?
  • This episode was pretty good.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:16 pm

I thought Seabreeze was a well done character. Who can blame him for getting mad at the other Breezies when thier wanting to crash at Fluttershy's place and have a party might have kept him from seeing his home and family again, not to mention thier own? As I've said, I'm a sucker for that kind of thing, which is why I appreciate AJ and her family closeness as well.

I'm expecting some serious feels when STWOM comes out. :twasnothin:
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:23 pm

Davyinatoga wrote:[*]How are we so sure that the portal in is the same as the portal out, or that it doesn't change location every year due to planetary alignment affecting magical flarespots in the world?


They're the Moongates of Equestria :tinfoil:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:24 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Also, I think we need a Seabreeze emote of some sort. He's just so adorably mad. He's angry, like a kitten!

After staring at Breezies for an afternoon, I've decided that (a) Sea Breeze's color scheme is weird as heck, and (b) on balance, the Mane 6 make better faces, even as bugs.


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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:37 pm

Tears wrote:
I agree it's a lot more of a trifle than a lot of Flutters episodes, but skimming the thread it seems like your mileage on the episode is pretty totally dependent on whether you vibe with the Breezies or not :beggarshy:


That's where I think I deviate from most; I can take or leave the Breezies, I don't mind them but I'm not enamored with them either. But I really liked how Fluttershy was handled throughout the episode, and thus I enjoyed the episode by extension. :flutterunsmith:
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:57 pm

Frosthawk wrote:
That's where I think I deviate from most; I can take or leave the Breezies, I don't mind them but I'm not enamored with them either. But I really liked how Fluttershy was handled throughout the episode, and thus I enjoyed the episode by extension. :flutterunsmith:


I totally agree, and I mis-spoke a little initially (uncharacteristically :v: )

I didn't mind the breezies at all, although I wasn't in raptures about them, but if you found them a complete turn-off then the episode is probably tough going.

But Flutters was great, Rarity was a ham, everyone was written pretty well, and that's a lot of what I ask for in horse anime.

I loved Rarity's little "I knew there was too much purple, but Twilight didn't think so", and Twilight's "What! I-" :twonk:

Because obviously being a giant purple horse Twilight would think purple is the best thing ever to be the point of total aesthetic mania, and Twilight doesn't even know what's going on because she's preparing her dumb nerd speech that no one wants her to make, and some poseur's still throwing shade at her.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:12 pm

Venusy wrote:I suppose it really depends on what you feel is the most important thing about the show is as to your opinion on this one. :pinkieshrug:

This is pretty much on the mark. Solidly mid-tier, my Fluts bias + emphasis on good morals raises it up a bit above that for me.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:20 pm



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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:24 pm

By the way, I find it hilarious how RD sticks her hoof inside her mouth to check the wind's direction. She doesn't have thumbs, you see :v:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:30 pm

Tears wrote:I didn't mind the breezies at all, although I wasn't in raptures about them, but if you found them a complete turn-off then the episode is probably tough going.

But Flutters was great, Rarity was a ham, everyone was written pretty well, and that's a lot of what I ask for in horse anime.

I agree that the comedy really lifts this episode up. But when I'm trying to evaluate it as a whole, I'm struck most by how complicated the message is.

Seabreeze is a jerk. But maybe he needs to be, to keep his people alive. But Fluttershy tries to teach him that you can be tough without being mean. But then her kindness encourages the Breezies to be lazy freeloaders. But then Seabreeze shows her that sometimes you have to be firm. But that doesn't make her feel any better about dropping the hammer on them. But Seabreeze also learns that just being a dick won't convince others to follow you.

It's an ambitious bit of storytelling to try to approach the dilemma from both sides at the same time, and I think it needed to play out the way it did to get both messages across without feeling like it's hand-waving away one problem. However, it also starts to develop a little plot whiplash as it flips back and forth between the two extremes so often.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:41 pm

After a bit of consideration, I think I might owe this episode something of an apology.

Overall, I very much enjoyed it. Fluttershy had some spectacular moments, Sea Breeze was a great character, and the episode as a whole was a really enjoyable.

But shortly after watching it on Saturday morning, I said that my only problem was the transformation thing. I said I found it weird that Twilight used a spell to transform her friends into tiny creatures so fundamentally different from ponies. It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way for some reason.

But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that the whole thing wasn't as weird as I'd initially thought. In Sonic Rainboom, Twilight used magic to give Rarity a pair of glitter wings. In The Cutie Mark Chronicles, Twilight turned her parents and the school board into various inanimate objects. In Secret Of My Excess, Spike transformed from a tiny baby dragon into a 50-foot tall rampaging beast because of nothing more than greed. And there's an entire race of Changelings who can take on the appearance of any individual they choose.

In light of all those considerations, Twilight turning her friends into Breezies for a little while doesn't seem far-fetched at all. Whether or not it was a toy-bait move, it's nevertheless still very plausible in the established world. Seeing the transformation was so unexpected that it initially elicited a negative reaction from me. But after I put it in perspective, I realized that it wasn't the bizarre event I'd written it off as.

So there you have it. It Ain't Easy Being Breezies, I hope you can forgive me for jumping to such a hasty conclusion. You're a great episode, and I hope we can still be friends.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:49 pm

I'm more curious about why Seabreeze is the only breezy wearing clothes than anything else. And how he is able to wear a sleeved singlet with such a poorly-proportioned body. :v:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:00 am

Sea Breeze wears cloths because Sea Breeze is fabulous! :flirt:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:04 am

Maybe the dark colored shirt was to try and visually identify him as a male. Few people in this thread (myself included) thought he was female until Fluttershy said "he".
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:08 am

After rewatching the episode, and this review of sorts by TBBBAP, I gotta say, their opinions pretty much sync up with mine this time. I usually disagree with a few things they say, but everything was right with this one. :v: Basically, the episode is bad and the breezies should die from natural selection feel bad.



The last quote pretty much sums up the episode.

They spent too much time saying 3 things.
1:"Be careful around the fuckin' breezies!"
2:"These breezies are fuckin' adorable!"
3:"Get the fuck outta my house!"
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:20 am

D'awww, it's little eyes go all scrambly... :awesomedash:

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:23 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Seabreeze is a jerk. But maybe he needs to be, to keep his people alive. But Fluttershy tries to teach him that you can be tough without being mean. But then her kindness encourages the Breezies to be lazy freeloaders. But then Seabreeze shows her that sometimes you have to be firm. But that doesn't make her feel any better about dropping the hammer on them. But Seabreeze also learns that just being a dick won't convince others to follow you.

It's an ambitious bit of storytelling to try to approach the dilemma from both sides at the same time, and I think it needed to play out the way it did to get both messages across without feeling like it's hand-waving away one problem. However, it also starts to develop a little plot whiplash as it flips back and forth between the two extremes so often.

I get the feeling that this message could've been a bit clearer. Of course, it's not the easiest one to communicate in the first place. Much like Keep Calm and Flutter On, with its moral of being nice even to your enemies, it's more complex than most of FiM's other friendship lessons. At least this episode was definitely far better than that one in terms of clarity.
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Postby J. Jonah Jameson (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:28 am

personally I'd be delighted if the breezies returned for a later episode. I seriously can't get enough of em :allears: I've been doodling them none-stop since I watched the ep (apologies for low image quality, my phone camera is my scanner)

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ScionVyse wrote:After rewatching the episode, and this review of sorts by TBBBAP, I gotta say, their opinions pretty much sync up with mine this time. I usually disagree with a few things they say, but everything was right with this one. :v: Basically, the episode is bad and the breezies should die from natural selection feel bad.


I tried to give this a chance but these guys are way too obnoxious I'm sorry. :bluh: "These tiny fairy ponies are so unrealistic!! Something this small and defenseless would never survive in real life what the hell are insects?? EDGY SWEARING TIME NOW"
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