S04E15: Twilight Time

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Re: S04E15: Twilight Time

Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:18 am

doodlesplat wrote:One of the kids' cutie marks is a tractor. I guess "Destiny" intends for Ponyville's farming to get with the times.
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Maybe that filly is related to Flim and Flam, except his machines are even better. :-P
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:04 pm

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TheNegaverser wrote:Even though it has matured since the earlier seasons, Sweetie Belle's voice (and the occasional squeak) never fail to bring a smile to my face!

Mad props to Claire Corlett for pulling off adorable like nobody else can! :ohboy:

I actually thought several voices sounded a bit odd this episode. Sweetie is understandable, but Pinkie sounded a little odd, and so did Spike's "Aw, come on!" I wonder if this was one of the first episodes they recorded this season.

Mr. Big wrote:Pipsqueak was supposedly voiced by a child actor named William Lawrenson in "Luna Eclipsed", but in this episode, it's Graham Verchere. Did the actors change, or was it always Graham? Granted, it's been three years since Pipqueak's last appearance, so whoever voiced him in "Luna" probably hit puberty by now.

Graham Verchere is apparently a 12-year-old who has performed as Gavroche in Les Misérables. I didn't even notice the difference in his voice, though, except that his diction was clearer.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:37 pm

Huh...so they actually got child actors to do the voices? That's interesting...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:47 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I actually thought several voices sounded a bit odd this episode. Sweetie is understandable, but Pinkie sounded a little odd, and so did Spike's "Aw, come on!" I wonder if this was one of the first episodes they recorded this season.

It's understandable that Spike would sound rather gruff in that last line. It was a moment of extreme exasperation for him, after all, and he was pretty much yelling it at the empty library. (Alternate answer: He's growing up, too.)
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:57 pm

Of course, Cathy Weseluck doesn't have the excuse that she's still maturing herself. :smirk:

It's funny how you start noticing these VAs' voices in everything. I popped open Netflix last night and it helpfully suggested something called "Bratz Babyz", presumably because it's exactly the same thing as FiM in the eyes of The Algorithm. So I took a peek at it, out of morbid curiosity, and sure enough there was Spike's voice coming out of some horrible baby-monster or something.


As for child actors in general, though, I will never take for granted just how great it is that this show managed to find real kids who can really act. It would have been so easy to just get whoever; it's standard practice. Even the hugest-budget productions ever made skimp on the child acting quality. Who can forget the fucking Jedi trainees in the Star Wars prequels (to say nothing of Anakin himself)? And even that Tim Burton Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (which I rewatched last night) was pretty dire. Compared to My Little Pony.
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Postby Jill (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:01 pm

I'm super late to this one because of ~game development~

That was funny. :hilarious: Lots of good, effective dialogue too. For a while I could see DT/SS being actual people with their own shallow motivations and not just smug gendo-poser machines engineered to mess with the CMC.

Otherwise the writing seemed kind of trite, like the plot was adopted from Every School Setting Ever where someone inevitably tries to turn a connection into Cool Status. Image
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:21 pm

It's also possible Spike sounded odd cuz the VA voiced one of the kids who were after Twilight It's like how sometimes Pinkie will sometimes sound like Fluttershy and vise versa.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:11 pm

sailoryue wrote:It's also possible Spike sounded odd cuz the VA voiced one of the kids who were after Twilight It's like how sometimes Pinkie will sometimes sound like Fluttershy and vise versa.

Aside from Spike, Cathy Weseluck only played "Classmate Pony 2" in this episode. I doubt one bit part like that would give her any trouble with doing Spike's voice, versus Andrea Libman having to push Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy to their limits.
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:51 pm

Does that mean that she is technically yelling at herself in "Filli Vanilli?" :-I
That sounds... Weird...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:32 pm

Yep. Of course, thanks to the magic of friendship audio editing, she could do Pinkie Pie's lines in one take and Fluttershy's in another, with them being stitched together afterwards. But maybe she's gotten familiar enough with them to where she can instantly switch between the voices and still provide a good take?
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:47 pm

She demonstrated once on stage, at one of the first BronyCons (the end-of-2011 one):

:modesty: You see, Fluttershy has this nice, soft, quiet little voice :amazing: AND PINKIE PIE'S CRAZY
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:04 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Yep. Of course, thanks to the magic of friendship audio editing, she could do Pinkie Pie's lines in one take and Fluttershy's in another, with them being stitched together afterwards. But maybe she's gotten familiar enough with them to where she can instantly switch between the voices and still provide a good take?

It think there was only one flub this season compared to how often it would happen in previous seasons
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:28 pm

It was my assumption that even if a VA could easily switch between roles, they still do more than one recording? (With the exception of a few, like Billy West, who like in Futurama, does do all those roles and voice switching in a single take.)
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:28 pm

I'm late to the party for this episode, so I guess all I really want to say is that it felt... different. Not bad, but there's something about the schoolyard antics with an entire real class full of kids that makes this one seem more like a middle/high school episode than the grade school I normally picture the CMC in. Normally, "kids in school" is something so ubiquitous and milquetoast in kids' cartoons that I like seeing anything else, but surely it won't be a major feature of the show. The Boulder is conflicted!

Part of the reason it feels different is seeing DT and SS diversifying from "CRUSH! :scheming: " to more nuanced social climbing. What did they even tell the other kids about Twilight, anyway?

Also, I'm not really sure how to feel about these talents. Not that they don't fit the CMC, or that ponies should never learn anything outside their cutie marks, but it's a little odd that Twilight is sending Scoots to shop class and Applebloom to Hogwarts, especially when Sweetie Belle is basically getting "how to be a unicorn" lessons. I wonder if this is just the first thing she bothered trying to teach them, and if we ever see Twilight Time again, it'll be some totally different curriculum.

Meanwhile, the diner scene was good, but I completely lost it when Spike brought in the giant platter of nachos. :lol:
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:15 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Meanwhile, the diner scene was good, but I completely lost it when Spike brought in the giant platter of nachos. :lol:


All I could think was "I saw that coming!" as I giggled. I love it how Twilight is still abusing that poor kid. That was always funny to watch in the first season.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:28 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I'm late to the party for this episode, so I guess all I really want to say is that it felt... different. Not bad, but there's something about the schoolyard antics with an entire real class full of kids that makes this one seem more like a middle/high school episode than the grade school I normally picture the CMC in. Normally, "kids in school" is something so ubiquitous and milquetoast in kids' cartoons that I like seeing anything else, but surely it won't be a major feature of the show. The Boulder is conflicted!

Part of the reason it feels different is seeing DT and SS diversifying from "CRUSH! :scheming: " to more nuanced social climbing. What did they even tell the other kids about Twilight, anyway?

This sort of attitude has been around for quite a while, at least since Ponyville Confidential. The complication of their social interactions is why I always saw the CMC, Spike, and most of the other kids as being more in the 10-12 range than as typical "little" kids. As for their school situation, since Ponyville still seems to be small enough to use a one-room schoolhouse, I figure they're all taught together until they reach high school age, at which point they can go off to a bigger high school in Canterlot (much like what we saw in the comics) or somewhere else, should they so choose.
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Postby Frith (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:59 am

This is really good episode. The plot is quite simple but simplicity of the plot and lack of drama have never been problem for me, especially when everything else works really well in this episode. The premise is realistic, CMC actions were believable and the moral was really good. The best part of the episode was definitely that the episode showed genuine character progression in CMC's abilities and Twilight's role as a princess. That kind of stuff happens so rarely in this show that I need give credit for writers about that.

Sweetie Belle's magic was the most impressive of the CMC's abilities. She has clearly progressed since that spark at the start of One Bad Apple. Scootaloo's mechanical skills also follow on the same episode.

This episode was also the first episode to successfully tackle how being a princess has changed Twilight's role in the show. She didn't look like a student anymore but rather she has become some sort of teacher for the next generation and I think it fits perfectly with her character considering how enthusiastic she was about learning earlier. I also liked that she stayed calm throughout the episode – few seasons ago Twilight would have lost her nerve at some point.

As for the other characters, Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon weren't as annoying as they usually are, perhaps because this time they weren't antagonists of the story. I can't say much about other school ponies other than that it was nice to see some new character designs.

Otherwise, some of the character interactions between Twilight and CMC, especially in the dinner scene and at the end of the episode, were really good.

Overall, Twilight Time is one of the best episodes in S4. It's the second episode that is written by Polsky that is in my top 4 episodes of the S4, which I never would have believed six months ago.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:45 am

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They should come out with a "Have Lunch With Twilight" lunch box. :-I
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:49 am

PonyHag714 wrote:Image

They should come out with a "Have Lunch With Twilight" lunch box. :-I


Why would twilight need a box? she'd have it all shoved haphazardly in her saddlebag for consumption at her leisure. :v:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:09 am

She might eat like a slob, but you know Twilight is the type to have all her food carefully packed and arranged into a perfect little interlocking puzzle-box with not a crumb out of place. :-I
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:50 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:This sort of attitude has been around for quite a while, at least since Ponyville Confidential. The complication of their social interactions is why I always saw the CMC, Spike, and most of the other kids as being more in the 10-12 range than as typical "little" kids.

I think it stands out more in this episode, where the CMC are doing Growing Up stuff, DT/SS are being manipulative divas, and everyone else is a mob of Pipsqueaks.

Maybe those five are the senior class, and everyone else (including Twist) is still in the little leagues.
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:59 am

The following interpretation is rated A for Absurd. :v:

Something that used to be ordinary ("we used to see her around town all the time, and I thought, "whatever"...")

and for a specific few ("I set up Twilight Time especially for you.")

was then tranformed ("now she's a princess, which makes her totally awesome! / Plus, she has wings. / And she's an alicorn.")

and became extremely popular ("Hey, guess what! I told everyone about your special Twilight Time!" "And they all want in!")

in a highly unexpected manner ("You seriously all want my autograph?")

...
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Who are the Diamond Tiara's? ("Princess Twilight, it is such a thrill and honor to be here! You have no idea. Oh my gosh, who dyes your tail?")
the Silver Spoon's? ("Me too. I thought that.")
the unruly mob? ("TWILIGHT TIME! TWILIGHT TIME! TWILIGHT TIME!")
.. Pipsqueak?

(The metaphor rapidly breaks down into a nonsensical mess, as one would expect.)
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:41 am

I like that weird exchange:

:anticipation: She's a Princess!
:scootawoo: And she has wings!
:ohboy: And she's an Alicorn!


:gah: Aren't those about the same thing?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:43 am

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:I like that weird exchange:

:anticipation: She's a Princess!
:scootawoo: And she has wings!
:ohboy: And she's an Alicorn!


:gah: Aren't those about the same thing?


Scootaloo knows what is most important. :awesomedash:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:12 am

That exchange was one of the best jokes of the episode. I love little gags like that.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:13 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:There's a front page? :v:


User was banned for this post :v:

No Fizz wasn't actually banned
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Postby Venusy (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:39 pm

No, you edit that into the quote, because otherwise it looks like you were banned. :spike101:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:46 pm

Venusy wrote:(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)


Huh. Well, I guess he had it coming :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:48 pm

Oh hey that's right there's a new episode. I've been so busy these last few days I forgot.

- The opening is pretty cute. "Layin' it on a little thick there, aren't ya, pal?"
- Hey, Pipsqueak exists! And maybe it's just me but he seems to have gotten bigger.
- It's so weird that they're finally acknowledging the whole "hey our protagonists should really pretty much be celebrities" thing four seasons in, and coming at it from such an atypical direction. Instead of a "Twilight being a leader of the state gets between her and her friends" episode, we're getting a "Twilight being a leader of the state gets between her and her friends' little sisters" episode. I've speculated before that they're being very deliberate about underplaying or sidestepping the former conflict in every episode since the season opener and I feel like this adds weight to that theory.
- "They'll have to learn something too!" I like the CMC's devious plot to lead their rivals on a journey of self-improvement.
- I like how Twilight, ignorant of all the schoolyard drama, clearly walks away with the impression that DT and SS are just weird drooling fangirls the CMC know.
- Every now and then this show likes to force concepts into oddly specific and somewhat strange repeated phrases ("very special somepony"). There's no real meat behind this observation except that "Twilight time" is one of those.
- Is there any reason these kids can't just walk into Twilight's house and meet her on their own at literally any time? I mean she lives in a public library.
- Hey, Pip gets a line! Keep bein' cockney, kid.
- Twilight's a horsie eater :horse:
- Pinkie's extreme head-cock accompanied by a ratchet sound effect :lol:
- "When I don't smile in a picture I look sad." There's something oddly morose about that line.
- I'm pretty sure hoof-shine horse was voiced by Cathy Weseluck, on account of he sounds exactly like Spike.
- Applebloom's bringing back the cunie mark.
- The CMC aren't into DT and SS's ivory tower bullshit :allears: Hey, wait a second...
- Hey, those ponies outscooted Scooterlee! C'mon, kid, if you can't fly you at least gotta scoot.
- "Looks like everything's working out just fine!" with five minutes on the clock. I know how this one ends.
- Don't be a snitch, Pip :rainbert:
- "Remember a moment ago when you asked me to give you a chance?" Wait no wasn't that your idea, Twilight?
- Aaand the classic "dunking on Spike" finale. It's okay, big guy, you'll have your day.

Fun episode, and I appreciate them coming at an obvious conflict from an unusual angle. Dunno how much else I have to add but maybe once I have time to stew on it a bit some actual thoughts will crystallize. Or not; that's pretty likely too.
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Postby Grue (?) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:52 pm

Not much to say about this episode, to summarize:

Cons:
- for an episode called "Twilight Time" there was very little of Twilight. It's not at all like Stare Master, because that one has Fluttershy in almost every scene, but Twilight Time follows CMC with Twilight appearing only occasionally. She was ok though.
- dumb hivemind kids suddenly realizing that Twilight is a princess and should be worshipped, as does everyone who even gets in contact with her. Everything the kids did felt incredibly forced.
- Pipsqueak (I didn't mind him in Luna Eclipsed, but he suddenly became twice as annoying)
Pros:
- pure SOL episode
- some parts were funny

It was ok. Considering it was a Polsky episode and a CMC episode, I'm just glad I didn't hate it.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:42 pm

The slower pace and lower stakes made this feel really different. I wonder if that was intended since the CMC advanced here. I've always felt their biggest problem was that they were trying too hard so a more mellow episode might have highlighted that. "When I don't smile in pictures, I look sad" has got to be the best playful jab at the fandom they've done. Still, while the cafeteria caught most people's attention, I found myself most liking Twilight's reprimand of the school kids for not being there to learn. Specifically, her tone of voice. It was more of disappointment than anger and the overall tone sounded more like Celestia. I want to see where things go with Twilight's role redefined as a teacher instead of a student.

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Postby Mordja (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:06 pm

Number three on the rewatch, and the only one I thought suffered from it. I'll be brief; I thought it was fine when I watched it at the stream, but twice is not the charm. Polsky, for all his faults, can be one of the funnier writers on the show, but I really felt this episode lacked any of his usual wit. Twilight gettin' her burg on will never not earn a laugh, and I dig that he really played up Silver Spoon's follower mentality, but everything else reminded me too much of S1 CMC episodes. *Probably* me least favourite of the season.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 10:25 pm

I actually thought the CMC here were a far cry from the way they were in S1. Apple Bloom and Scootaloo got pretty big hints as to what their true talents are and Sweetie Belle is now able to use magic, so they're actually growing up instead of just feeling like typical little kids. Furthermore, their interactions with Diamond Tiara, Silver Spoon, and the other kids actually felt a little more mature than the way they were in S1. Back then, if they weren't being bullied then the CMC were mostly just having their own fun and being vaguely annoying, but here we saw them worrying about their popularity and and actually cooking up schemes to boost it. To me that's far more interesting than their earliest behavior.
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Postby diribigal (?) » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:46 pm

Grim wrote:I'm super late to this one because of ~game development~

I'm super duper late to this due to whatever. Thanks to Octavia for mentioning in passing that Season 4 was on Netflix.

My primary thoughts were basically "oh, that's where that Sweetie Belle emoticon is from", "Haha look at Twilight eat" and "poor Spike". Like I mean there was development of the fillies, but it didn't really grab me in any way. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:13 am

Rewatching this at a resolution above stream-quality, I'm kinda weirded out that they gave power-overwhelming Twilight incisors:

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Horses, especially on this show, are very much lacking in pointy teeth.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:04 am

^ I wish Twilight Time had as much excitement as that!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:43 pm

S4E15: The Cutie Mark Crusaders seek out Twilight's guidance in developing their special talents. Twilight destroys the library.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:04 pm

Headless Horse wrote:S4E15: The Cutie Mark Crusaders seek out Twilight's guidance in developing their special talents. Twilight destroys the library.

The CMC were conspicuously absent from Twilight's Kingdom. :wat:
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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:27 pm

Damn it, had too many tabs open. Sorry. :v:
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:47 pm

Pretorius wrote:Rewatching this at a resolution above stream-quality, I'm kinda weirded out that they gave power-overwhelming Twilight incisors:

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Horses, especially on this show, are very much lacking in pointy teeth.

Pictured: Twilight just before devouring an oatburger.
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