S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

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Re: S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:21 am

J. Jonah Jameson wrote:if filthy rich is oblivious to his wife's behaviour he's the least perceptive horse ever born

"dad mum shouted at me in public again, this time in front of my entire class and my teacher. miss cheerilee called the police and now mum has to stay in custody overnight because she kicked one of them in the mouth"
"mmmhmm that's nice honey"


This is now my headcanon for this shit. He means well, he's just dumb as sin and doesn't pay attention.

:-/ "His name is Filthy Rich not Observant Father"
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:41 am

shotgunbadger wrote:
This is now my headcanon for this shit. He means well, he's just dumb as sin and doesn't pay attention.

:-/ "His name is Filthy Rich not Observant Father"


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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:45 am

Ah, that was a classic bit of Slice, thanks for that. :allears:

I feel like looking back at all the CMC episodes and framing them in the context of this episode. ilcane made a good point about Call of the Cutie connecting to this one by sheer coincidence (yet another happy accident / perfect storm for this show, I suppose). Maybe I'll do that tomorrow.

There's probably not many connections beyond CotC and of course Appleoosa's Most Wanted but hey, it's worth a look.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:54 am

People keep bringing up that the Troubleshoes episode foreshadowed this, but I don't think anyone brought up another S5 episode, "Bloom and Gloom" yet, where Apple Bloom had nightmares about what kind of cutie mark she was going to get.

In way, those two episodes foreshadowed this ep, abet rather subtlety in the case of "Gloom"
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Postby Minty (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:19 am

I wonder what would have happened if two of them had the same mark but one got a different one. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:45 am

The Doctor wrote:Theory:


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We've now seen the CMC's cutie marks.


:gotcha: Not going to lie. I would be insufferably smug right now...
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:28 am

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this horse
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:11 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:Image

this horse
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in certain very specific
circumstances
environments
with appropriate coaching and motivation
and the plot princess doth mote it be so

on alternating Tuesdays



when the moon is full


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:18 am

The Doctor wrote:
:gotcha: Not going to lie. I would be insufferably smug right now...

I'm sure we'll end up seeing the unique parts of their cutie marks worked into any fancy clothes they get in the future.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:15 am

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:16 pm

Image Applebloom, if Mom and Dad were here, they'd be so proud of you.

Applejack...Apppplejaaaack...

Image WHAT IN TARNATION WAS THAT

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:speakest: The fun has been doubled!
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:21 pm

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Uniform in iTunes quality.

Those doors are still too blurry to read.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:44 pm

Incidentally, I have to wonder if the Riches are divorced, because it really seems like they not only have completely opposite approaches to raising their kid, they also don't seem to even realize it.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:08 am

Didn't he get mad at her for dressing up as a bunny in the zap apple jam episode? :ponder:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:10 am

Andew Ryan's Fursona wrote:Incidentally, I have to wonder if the Riches are divorced, because it really seems like they not only have completely opposite approaches to raising their kid, they also don't seem to even realize it.

I doubt they're divorced so much as distant. Spoiled Rich doesn't exactly seem like the loving type, after all, and Filthy Rich seems to be the fairly oblivious sort when it comes to personal and family matters.
Highbrow Dash wrote:Didn't he get mad at her for dressing up as a bunny in the zap apple jam episode? :ponder:

Actually, Filthy Rich seemed like a relatively good guy there. Diamond Tiara was whining about having to do that with Apple Bloom, but he wasn't having any of her crap.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:13 am

Oh, it's been a while since I last watched that. Ok then :-P
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:17 am

Yea DT was being a jerk and Filthy came in all 'are you dumb, we do business in this town and of course we have ties with one of the oldest business families around here, do the bunny thing'.
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Postby Throbulator (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:59 am

Great songs. Like, super great songs.
Silver Spoon standing up to Diamond Tiara.
Diamond Tiara standing up to her toxic mom and subsequently redeeming herself.
The CMC getting ass tattoos of the Tricolore.

Pretty much new favourite episode material. How the shit did they manage to cram all that into 20 minutes.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:02 am

I don't know if anyone noticed but I was in the photo at the end. You know the white pegasus flying next to Fluttershy? I know it doesn't look like me because it isn't but that was totally me. :-P

Who was that?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:09 am

Andew Ryan's Fursona wrote:Incidentally, I have to wonder if the Riches are divorced, because it really seems like they not only have completely opposite approaches to raising their kid, they also don't seem to even realize it.

Interesting theory, might adapt it as headcanon.

Also that's a cool logo on Derpy's cap.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:45 am

Soft Snow wrote:I don't know if anyone noticed but I was in the photo at the end. You know the white pegasus flying next to Fluttershy? I know it doesn't look like me because it isn't but that was totally me. :-P

Who was that?

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Appears to be this one. Shows up off and on with various appearances/races/cutie marks.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:03 am

It was good of Photo Finish to come back for this shoot! (Bit surprised they didn't get Featherweight.)
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:03 am

Andew Ryan's Fursona wrote:Oh yeah, forgot to mention the songs. They were pretty meh, honestly; the lyrics weren't anything to write home about and the music was completely unmemorable. I'm worried that Ingram is starting to slip into a formulaic style that all blends together. I mean, I never would have guessed any of those influences Rogers mentioned, although admittedly I haven't seen Wicked so maybe that one is spot-on for all I know.


It ain't. None of the songs that AKR mentioned as influences really come through at all. The songs in this ep are fine but they're not particularly musical. Compare to MMC: What My Cutie Mark Is Telling Me, True True Friend, Celestia's Ballad, and Morning In Ponyville are all standouts and several of them are genuine earworms. I don't think any of the songs in this ep are on the same level.

DT's singing voice was great though.

Something I liked that I didn't see anyone mention: Sweetie is using magic! She levitated Pip and later she magic-knotted a rope on the swing set. That's new, isn't it?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:16 am

:lol: Pointed out by one of the Japanese commenters...

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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:31 am

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My thoughts exactly :negative:

I think I was still in a state of shock when I posted my thoughts on the episode on Sunday morning, but yeah I think they've made a serious error with these cutie marks. It's funny that Apple Bloom was worried about getting a bad cutie mark in Bloom and Gloom bacause that's exactly what's happened.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:42 am

PictishBeast wrote:Something I liked that I didn't see anyone mention: Sweetie is using magic! She levitated Pip and later she magic-knotted a rope on the swing set. That's new, isn't it?

Sweetie's been using magic ever since Twilight Time last season, however casually lifting a foal and tying knots is a big improvement over her previous uses of magic.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:24 pm

DaBatGuy wrote:casually lifting a foal

To be fair, Pipsqueak is really tiny. :-P


But yeah, in general I expect Sweetie Belle will end up being rather good at magic in general, considering that she's learned it from Twilight Sparkle herself.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:02 pm

I liked how Tirek and Discord were casually name-dropped as reasons for new school equipment. Felt very day-to-day, like how people would actually react. "Hey good for you, congrats on banishing the literal demon from hell. Now who's going to clean up all this shit?"

Silver Spoon had a nice scene when she stood up to DT. She's not the bullied victim that the fandom popularized. She's a beta who wants to be an alpha.

On the other hand, DT's mom was too cartoonishly evil to really work as a character. She wouldn't give a shit about the CMC being "blank flanks," for starters. She would care who their parents were.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:40 pm

PictishBeast wrote:She wouldn't give a shit about the CMC being "blank flanks," for starters. She would care who their parents were.



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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:14 pm

If they were interested in making her cartoonishly evil, they might as well have pushed it a little further and had her shit-talking the CMCs during their conversation in semi-private, or even in front of them. Doing it the way only a "responsible" adult can be poisonous. "I think there's something wrong with them..." :nngh:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:09 pm

Can't say the CMs look any better or worse in color corrected HD, either.

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:26 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Can't say the CMs look any better or worse in color corrected HD, either.

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That looks... very saturated.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:31 pm

The main trouble with their cutie marks is that it's hard to pick them out at a glance, seeing as they have the same basic shape and same basic color scheme and pattern. Even in HD it's hard to see the difference unless you look closely at the purple-pink bit in the middle.

That is to say, they look better on paper (or in a computer file, on the side of a toy, etc.) than they do in animation.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:44 pm

PictishBeast wrote:It ain't. None of the songs that AKR mentioned as influences really come through at all.

I wonder if she even bothered to tell Ingram what she had in mind. It's not like it would be the first time a song has been based on something from a musical and both the tune and lyrics reflected it. Or the second... or the third...
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:28 am

Wayoshi wrote:Can't say the CMs look any better or worse in color corrected HD, either.

The "color corrected" versions are just people cranking up the saturation. It looked okay in iTunes rips of season 1, but it's entirely unnecessary and it looks really bad in S2 and beyond. The video editors for the show know what they're doing and don't need people messing with the colors. :-/
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:35 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:The main trouble with their cutie marks is that it's hard to pick them out at a glance, seeing as they have the same basic shape and same basic color scheme and pattern. Even in HD it's hard to see the difference unless you look closely at the purple-pink bit in the middle.

That is to say, they look better on paper (or in a computer file, on the side of a toy, etc.) than they do in animation.


They could really do with losing those outlines, that would at least make them look more normal, they stand out like a sore thumb as is. They're literally the only cutie marks in Equestria that have it.

This is a long shot but I really hope they conjure up a way to revise the design of those cutie marks in the future. Surely they can't leave them like that. :fluttersmith:

Messing with the saturation won't make them look better, the only way to do that is to turn up the brightness so much that you can't see anything :rainbert:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:31 pm

I still can't get over how much I love DT's song "The Pony I Want To Be." I know someone said earlier that the songs in this episode had clumsy lyrics, but this song doesn't. I think they're brilliant and clever, especially the first verse with all the diamond/rock references. It's probably my second-favorite song in the show now. Chantal Strand has a beautiful singing voice.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:03 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Can't say the CMs look any better or worse in color corrected HD, either.


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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:42 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:Chantal Strand has a beautiful singing voice.

VAs make the character :-D
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