S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

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Re: S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

Postby UnintelGen (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:46 pm

Wayoshi wrote:This episode reminded me how bad of a teacher Cheerilee is. :-I


:iamapony: "I counted, like, some of them and figured the little guy won. Alright, class dismissed."

:memories: "Whoo, finally got that load of foals outta here. Just you and me now, sweet, sweet cider..."
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:46 pm

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:pcstare: :"Oh look! A new photo from Twilight ... and some ... kids from around town."
:speakest: :"Heavens above! They've earned their cutie marks!"
:areyousure: :"You know these ponies?"
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:no: :"WHO ARE YOU? AND WHY IS YOUR HAT SO RAD?"
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Postby fenster (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:47 pm

There's so many amazing and great things about this episode that I dunno if I can go into it now since I have to leave soon, but I really just wanted to say I thought this one was amazing. Can't believe they got their cutie marks mid season, and certainly wasn't expecting those for their cutie marks. And DT Sining and SS getting her own character + singing. :allears: Season 5 has really been killing it. In particular, this episode is definitely up there with Amending Fences/Cutie Map for one of the best of the season I think.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:48 pm

This is absolutely an S+ episode. Like, it just kept getting better and better till suddenly totally unexpected major emotional climax and :-D

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Postby Toboe LoneWolf (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:49 pm

Okay, so more knowledgeable fans than me...were there any Indiana Jones references in the episode other than the title?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:52 pm

Here's a good shot of their inner marks.

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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:56 pm

At last DT got more songs.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:00 pm

Toboe LoneWolf wrote:Okay, so more knowledgeable fans than me...were there any Indiana Jones references in the episode other than the title?


Nope just the title. :pinkieshrug:

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:00 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Here's a good shot of their inner marks.

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God damn, they're cool.
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:03 pm

Wayoshi wrote:She's a secondary character, so I don't see this as a huge issue. Hell, I think we will see her working with the new CMC in S6.

She's the princess of cutie marks or something. Much like how the five little stars surrounding the bigger one on Twilight's cutie mark represent her friends that taught her about friendship, the five points on Diamond Tiara's crown represent Silver Spoon and the Cutie Mark Crusaders that taught her about cutie marks and friendship and stuff. :twiright:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:06 pm

So when can I expect alicorn Tiara? :v:
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:07 pm

I'm really surprised at the overwhelming positive response. I must be becoming a curmudgeonly old man or something.

I also think that the design of the cutie marks is pretty bad too. The colors stick out really badly, except on Scootaloo, they fit her. It's like they put what their cutie marks could have been, but put them on to the same bland shield logo.

And I'm not just being contrarian or anything. I honestly don't see the appeal of any part of this episode. Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks so.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:11 pm

I thought it was a great episode. Lots of songs, lots of emotion, the biggest turning point since Alicorn Twilight and a look into the future of MLP. :ponder:

A nice little touch was Sweetie giving Pip some magic help to high hoof the others in the opening.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:22 pm

A lovely episode, right up there with Amending Fences and Rarity Investigates! for this season.

I was among those who thought that we would never, or at least not before the very end (perhaps in the movie?) see the CMC marked, and I am happy to be proven wrong, and delighted by the manner in which it happened.

Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon both did very well for themselves in this episode. So good to see them developed.

It shall be interesting to see how the New CMC will take to their new task as the junior partners in Princess Twilight Sparkle's little venture. While there is not much time left in this season for that development, it should prove fertile ground in the next.
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:38 pm

I have nothing to contribute, just posting for the historical occasion. :allears:
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Postby Lorce (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:38 pm

Master_Twig wrote:I'm really surprised at the overwhelming positive response. I must be becoming a curmudgeonly old man or something.

I also think that the design of the cutie marks is pretty bad too. The colors stick out really badly, except on Scootaloo, they fit her. It's like they put what their cutie marks could have been, but put them on to the same bland shield logo.

And I'm not just being contrarian or anything. I honestly don't see the appeal of any part of this episode. Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Well, i was kinda lukewarm about it, so a bit disappointed that this was the one to give them the marks. :pinkieshrug:
Also have to agree about the marks sticking out, but i'm not sure if that's from being so used to seeing them blank or they really don't fit well graphically...
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Postby Zuzie (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:41 pm

I was honestly expecting the last few minutes to be some kind of dream :starity:.

Although I think it's a bit strange that they're all matching.
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Postby Toboe LoneWolf (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:51 pm

Zuzie wrote:I was honestly expecting the last few minutes to be some kind of dream :starity:.

Although I think it's a bit strange that they're all matching.


Cutie marks, how do we explain them? :pinkieshrug:

I hope we get more explanation on what cutie marks signify / mean / do, since it appears that this is the Cutie Mark Season

Season 1: Friends
Season 2: More Friends
Season 3: And Now You Get Wings
Season 4: Why Do I Have Wings
Season 5: pancakes Why Do We Have Cutie Marks?
Season 6: ????
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:53 pm

Master_Twig wrote:Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Sorry brosif, you're totes alone on this one. :-P I kid.
I'll share with you one thing that did rub me the wrong way. Didn't like DT flat out telling her mom "no". Not a good lesson for kids. Parents can be (and are) wrong all the time, but "no" is exactly the wrong way to approach it. :argh: Also, I guess DT's about-face redemption felt kinda fast for me. Maybe on re-watch now that I know it happens it won't, but meh.

Nonetheless, those don't mar what is otherwise an excellent and exemplary episode for me. :twiright:

I'm also still dead from a-cute poisoning. My stuff is now buried with me. The dirt is playing havoc with my computer. Stupid dirt.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:54 pm

I wonder if this season is a sign that things are winding down. With Rainbow Dash getting closer and closer to achieving her dream as a Wonderbolt, Rarity fulfilled her desire to have a shop in Canterlot, and now the CMCs finally have their marks.

And we still have season 6 that's in production right now. I'm REALLY wondering how things are going to go for the rest of the run.

What really impressed me is the fact that they kept this under wraps. Reading the synopsis, one was expected to think that the episode was going to be wacky hijinx with the CMCs nearly ruining Pipsqueak's campaign, but they actually did a good job with that, and the REAL story was something else.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:58 pm

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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:01 pm

Mr. Big wrote:I wonder if this season is a sign that things are winding down. With Rainbow Dash getting closer and closer to achieving her dream as a Wonderbolt, Rarity fulfilled her desire to have a shop in Canterlot, and now the CMCs finally have their marks.

And we still have season 6 that's in production right now. I'm REALLY wondering how things are going to go for the rest of the run.

I had this same thought. Maybe season 6 is gonna be the last season for FIM. If so, I'm happy that they're already starting to advance character arcs and stuff so they have plenty of time to wrap everything up nice and neat instead of turning it into a rushed ugly mess. There's a lot of things going on, like you said, that feel like drawing things toward conclusion.

But I have a feeling that, even if S6 is the end of FIM, there'll be a new My Little Pony show coming along to replace it. I haven't seen this many children running around with MLP merchandise since the 90s, so it's gotta be worth continued investment on Hasbro's part.
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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:04 pm

The crusaders are gonna save everyone from Starlight Glimmer in the finale, aren't they?
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:05 pm

Lapis Infinitas wrote:The crusaders are gonna save everyone from Starlight Glimmer in the finale, aren't they?

By...

By teaching her there's a better way to use her special cutie mark talents...

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:09 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :ohboy: :scootatrue: :sweet:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:10 pm

Also,
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Postby Brunellus (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:11 pm

I predicted they would get their marks back at the season premiere. :twiright:
I was almost certain when the CMC were obscured in that teaser poster a while back. :smug:
Accidentally spoiled the end by seeing the title of a video listed on Youtube. :facehoof:
Still got a bit misty. :memories:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:13 pm

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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:15 pm

Mr. Big wrote:What really impressed me is the fact that they kept this under wraps. Reading the synopsis, one was expected to think that the episode was going to be wacky hijinx with the CMCs nearly ruining Pipsqueak's campaign, but they actually did a good job with that, and the REAL story was something else.

Bingo. Halfway through the episode I was like, "Well, they've wrapped up the initial story of the episode, and we're only halfway through!" And then each time the CMC showed up they weren't engaging in whacky hijinks or being silly or doing anything really comedic for comedy's sake. This was a very grown-up and serious episode, split into two separate pieces until they were joined together at the end. And then we got the real party piece after all that! This was some great writing, perfectly paced, and just a whole lot of fun.

FWIW, I'm not too crazy about their "shield" cutie marks, but at least the symbol on the inside matches what we expect from each of them.

I don't remember, though: We saw Silver Spoon in the photo that was sent to the two Canterlot princesses, but did she and Diamond Tiara ever talk to each other again after their falling out? Or can we just assume they worked through things off-screen?
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:16 pm

TV and Movies never EVER make me cry, but this episode broke me. My boyfriend was very confused. :cry:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:19 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:I don't remember, though: We saw Silver Spoon in the photo that was sent to the two Canterlot princesses, but did she and Diamond Tiara ever talk to each other again after their falling out? Or can we just assume they worked through things off-screen?

During the montage where the kids are helping each-other rebuild the playground, we see DT helping Silver Spoon rebuild a fence. It's pretty given that they've made up.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:19 pm

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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:21 pm

Mr. Big wrote:During the montage where the kids are helping each-other rebuild the playground, we see DT helping Silver Spoon rebuild a fence. It's pretty given that they've made up.

I probably didn't notice because I was too busy grabbing kleenex. :allears:

Daniel Ingram posted on Facebook that William Anderson (the guy who usually does the background music) "passed the baton to Daniel" to do all the background music in this episode, just like he did in Magical Mystery Cure and Pinkie Pride.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:25 pm

I'd rather vote for Pipsqueak or DT than Harper or Trudeau. :-/
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Postby Corpy (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:26 pm

posted my thoughts in the PPPP thread. just chiming in here because I want to be a part of things.
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:27 pm

This pretty much puts the Cutie Marks as predestination theory fully in the ground anyways. The shield is clearly an addition to their existing talents, which are reflected in the symbols within. Weird things happen when a pony is separated from their cutie mark, but that is because a cutie mark is a part of them, not because the cutie mark is an outside influence.

I like it, it was well done. Not sure how I feel about Diamond Tiaras redemption, but in comparison to Discord she's far less problematic as a candidate for a face turn. She's only the petty tyrant of a school, not the former tyrant of an entire nation. Perhaps giving rich kids an out to see they don't have to be as classist as their parents is a good lesson. Pacifica was a better executed version of this since it was clear something was up with her family from the beginning, on the other hand the last we saw of DT's father was that he was a cool dude who at worst spoiled his girl a little too much.

I feel I would've preferred the CMC getting their cutie marks individually in their own episodes, as it is its like like Twilight's wings in the resolution feels a little rushed, but it was still a cute episode.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:28 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:Daniel Ingram posted on Facebook that William Anderson (the guy who usually does the background music) "passed the baton to Daniel" to do all the background music in this episode, just like he did in Magical Mystery Cure and Pinkie Pride.

It makes sense in a musical episode where all the underscore is thematically the same as the songs. It'd be way easier for Ingram to do it.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:40 pm

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A certain family resemblance cannot be denied, though I wonder how Spoiled Rich's snout ended up looking like that. A danger of turning up your nose too many times, I suppose...

Would Spoiled Rich's cutie mark indicate she married rich?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:49 pm

Song in this rocked. The song when they're all running back to the Schoolhouse is fantastic.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:00 pm

Damn! :twonk: What an episode for me to have to miss live. Like others, I figured that this wouldn't be an exceptionally important episode (I wasn't expecting it to be bad, mind you; in fact, most episodes starring all three of the CMC since S2 have been great), but instead it's both a big musical episode and also the one where they get their cutie marks. Holy cow.

I've generally spoken out against villain redemption in the past, but that's been on the scale of world-changing forces of evil, like Chrysalis and Tirek (loved the casual mentioning of him, incidentally). Convincing Diamond Tiara that she doesn't have to follow in the footsteps of her high-society-aspiring mother is a way more reasonable thing to expect of someone. It makes for a good lesson that what you're good at and who you are ain't one and the same, since being good at leadership doesn't necessarily have to be the same as being a snob. Explaining her mark as more of a sign of leadership was a good detail, too, since she's never shown any interest in metalsmithing. :v:

As for the marks of the Crusaders... eh. Could've been better. I agree with Master_Twig in that I think it would've been better if their marks were more unique, considering how much they've grown and how unique they've become between S1 and now, but at least their marks weren't literally the same and there's still some aspect of who they are in each of them. I've never been one to read strict, literal meanings in cutie marks, though, so I doubt this'll be a major limit in what the three of them will grow up doing. In this case, the alternative I'm imagining is the three of them all becoming youth counsellors or something similar, and with their interests as they are now, I just can't see that happening.
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