S05E08: The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:01 pm

Ten outta Ten. Scratched literally every itch, maximum pony. :ponydrugs:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:01 pm

Sweet episode, Griffons rule, Gilda rules.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:03 pm

Would have liked to see a little more of giant cyclops goat, but it was still a sweet episode :3:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:03 pm

I hope that every map episode can be as amazing as this one. The others are going to have a high bar to clear. :party:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:04 pm

Easily the best redemption episode of the series. Shwoing both Rainbow Dash and Gilda still bitter about how their friendship ended, then seeing them both remember why they became friends to begin with.

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:05 pm

"HUGGING NOW!" :amazing:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:06 pm

Pinkie is best commercial making pony. :party:

This one was very good. I was expecting the atitude from Gilda when she first appeared, but at least she made nice at the end and made the right choice for her friends.

The animation in the Griffon flashback scene was really cool.

I liked how the whole Griffon problem wasn't automatically solved, but was left in Gilda's talons to take care of herself. Based on some of them...that store owner, wow...she has a lot of work to do.

I loved how Twilight literally made a whole book for them to use as reference. And Dash getting her Twilight on with her mane. :v:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:06 pm

This episode won with chick/cub Gilda.
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Loved Pinkie’s so not subtle product placement.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:08 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:And Dash getting her Twilight on with her mane. :v:


Season 5 theme is sick Twilight burns. :excellent:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:08 pm

Ending caught me a little off guard, as I didn't expect them to up and leave with the project unfinished, though maybe that's the point, it doesn't happen in a day and they need to do it themselves.

Loved the episode :allears: I do hope we get a revisit at some point. Also: watching for fan art for Greta.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:09 pm

Ransom wrote:Ending caught me a little off guard, as I didn't expect them to up and leave with the project unfinished, though maybe that's the point, it doesn't happen in a day and they need to do it themselves.

Loved the episode :allears: I do hope we get a revisit at some point. Also: watching for fan art for Greta.


Yea I like that they didn't magically save an entire crumbling nation by saying 'hey...be friends', but instead it's 'yea we showed them a better way to do things, now it's on them'.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:10 pm

Very good episode.

In fact all of the episodes this season have been very good. And it can't be stressed enough; MLP can be a really great looking show!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:10 pm

That was some good shit there. I actually hadn't been expecting Gilda to return, considering how cheesy it could've been, but this episode actually handled her really well. I appreciate that the lesson also didn't get delivered in some sort of miraculous fashion; instead, it took loads of cajoling from Pinkie Pie for Gilda to even show the first bit of niceness to that other griffon, then even more for her to accept one of Gilda's new scones. Obviously it'll take a lot of work for Griffonstone to return to anything close to glory, but it definitely seems like that potential's there now.

Someone in IRC mentioned that this episode felt like it did an awful lot of lolrandom humor. I don't really feel like that was the case, at least considering that it was starring Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie. That's just the brand of humor that works best with them (and only them; of the show's other characters, Discord is perhaps the only other one who can pull it off). This episode didn't really overdo it, either, I don't think.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:11 pm

We also now know why they only sent Dash and Pinkie in.

:-/ You....defiled....a...LIBRARRRRRRRRRRRRRRY!

And then Griffonstone was a charred crater.

:twiright: It's OK, little books...I saved you from the nasty ol' griffons. No race that treats their books like that deserved friends...

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:12 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:That was some good shit there. I actually hadn't been expecting Gilda to return, considering how cheesy it could've been, but this episode actually handled her really well. I appreciate that the lesson also didn't get delivered in some sort of miraculous fashion; instead, it took loads of cajoling from Pinkie Pie for Gilda to even show the first bit of niceness to that other griffon, then even more for her to accept one of Gilda's new scones. Obviously it'll take a lot of work for Griffonstone to return to anything close to glory, but it definitely seems like that potential's there now.

Someone in IRC mentioned that this episode felt like it did an awful lot of lolrandom humor. I don't really feel like that was the case, at least considering that it was starring Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie. That's just the brand of humor that works best with them (and only them; of the show's other characters, Discord is perhaps the only other one who can pull it off). This episode didn't really overdo it, either, I don't think.


I think the only random joke was the Griffon Greed thing with bits. Which seemed kind of pointless to continue stressing. Small flaw in an otherwise great episode for me.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:13 pm

Huh. Guess I'm the only one that thought that episode was just okay. It had some pretty good moments, but I left just feeling a little bit disappointed in it. Maybe my expectations were too high. :pinkieshrug:

I think what bothered me was how Pinkie and Rainbow Dash left without really changing anything. They rekindled their friendship with Gilda, but that's about it. Yeah, Gilda is supposedly going to turn the town around by spreading the magic of friendship, but maybe I'm just too cynical to think that that's a realistic outcome at all.
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Postby Toboe LoneWolf (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:15 pm

Aw yiss, worldbuilding!

Centaurs: The Totally Evil Race (except for that one nice dude Scorpan). Wonder if we're going to get the return of them as villains/allies in season 6?
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:15 pm

I guess the big question now is, what kind of magic controls the map? What are its motivations and reasons for doing what it does? It sent all six of them earlier, but this time only sent two. Obviously it's because of Rainbow and Pinkie's history with Gilda, but how does it know about that history? Even if it's never explained anywhere in the show's canon, it's a pretty cool piece of magical McGuffinry that fits pretty darn well into the show's style.

Any time a pony's pupils get slightly smaller and show off more iris, they're pissed, and seeing Twilight get passive-aggressively pissed off at the map when it didn't pick her to go was hilarious.

I wasn't keeping track; were there ANY griffons whose names didn't start with a G?
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:17 pm

I'm really happy that they didn't end up getting the gold statue back and sending a weird mixed message or anything. As soon as I saw it in the chasm, I just knew they weren't going to get it.

Really great episode, and shaping up to be a great season overall.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:17 pm

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I think the only random joke was the Griffon Greed thing with bits. Which seemed kind of pointless to continue stressing. Small flaw in an otherwise great episode for me.

That doesn't really seem like a joke at all, though. In fact, that seemed like a tragic flaw of their people. Their society was greedy by nature, but for a time their idol was glorious enough to collectively satisfy that greed. With it gone, Griffonstone fell into decay, and the individual griffons tried too much to find individual self-fulfillment through making money. Now that Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash have planted the seed of friendship, hopefully that'll grow in their community and push out a love of money as the driving force among them. (That's a lesson that a lot of people in our world could stand to learn, too.)
Master_Twig wrote:I think what bothered me was how Pinkie and Rainbow Dash left without really changing anything. They rekindled their friendship with Gilda, but that's about it. Yeah, Gilda is supposedly going to turn the town around by spreading the magic of friendship, but maybe I'm just too cynical to think that that's a realistic outcome at all.

I think it could work. I mean, honestly, I'd much rather have a realistic outcome like what we saw on screen than a (literally) magical thing where Griffonstone is transformed overnight or something.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:18 pm

Moral of the Week: Don't Be A Dick.

Kind of a nice turnaround of GtBO's lesson of "sometimes you can't make friends with everyone," which is a fair lesson in its own right but directly relatable to this ep's.

EDIT: I seriously want that Grandpa Gruff as a Friend in the MLP card game strictly so I can dismiss a Two Bits card to play him.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:18 pm

Oh yeah, and I'm definitely liking the recurring plot thread more this time around.
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Postby Baron Porkface (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:19 pm

If future episodes draw more attention to Twilights hair this season will surpass 2. :twiright:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:19 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:I guess the big question now is, what kind of magic controls the map?



Celestia and Luna have a copy of the map in Canterlot and move cutie marks around like chess pieces.

:speakest: Lets send the flashy one and the quiet one to Las Pegasus.

:pcstare: And then send Applejack and Twilight to Prance.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:20 pm

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This was great, though I don’t think Tara need fear for her job just yet... :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:21 pm

I actually liked the ending a lot. It showed that you can inspire others to make a change but it doesn't happen overnight...and that sometimes, it takes time to make friends.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:22 pm

WandereringPony wrote:We also now know why they only sent Dash and Pinkie in.

:-/ You....defiled....a...LIBRARRRRRRRRRRRRRRY!

And then Griffonstone was a charred crater.

:twiright: It's OK, little books...I saved you from the nasty ol' griffons. No race that treats their books like that deserved friends...

:-I OR LIFE.

Awesome, and as a librarian myself I appreciated the nod, heh.

Actually, it is interesting that Twilight interprets the Map as essentially banning her, considering it doesn't say she can't go and nothing is stopping her from going at a later time. The point ulitimately, was that Dash and Gilda needed to restore their friendship, and Pinkie was key to that, given the role she played in their falling out. Having Twilight might actually have thrown things off, since she would have been expected to take the lead.

I guess the big question now is, what kind of magic controls the map? What are its motivations and reasons for doing what it does? It sent all six of them earlier, but this time only sent two. Obviously it's because of Rainbow and Pinkie's history with Gilda, but how does it know about that history? Even if it's never explained anywhere in the show's canon, it's a pretty cool piece of magical McGuffinry that fits pretty darn well into the show's style.


Given that it was born out of a seed chest from the Tree of Harmony, I think we can see it as a vessel for the Tree, or capital H Harmony as a force that runs the tree. It's...well honestly it's pretty darn close to establishing God or at least a god like being or force tied to frienship and harmony as a benevolent guide in the Pony universe.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:22 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Image
This was great, though I don’t think Tara need fear for her job just yet... :gotcha:

I just wish the back part of Rainbow's mane had been done up as well.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:25 pm

Toboe LoneWolf wrote:Aw yiss, worldbuilding!

Centaurs: The Totally Evil Race (except for that one nice dude Scorpan). Wonder if we're going to get the return of them as villains/allies in season 6?


Scorpan was bipedal. Things aren't looking good for Centaurs.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:26 pm

Ransom wrote:Ending caught me a little off guard, as I didn't expect them to up and leave with the project unfinished, though maybe that's the point, it doesn't happen in a day and they need to do it themselves.

They're helping Princess Twilight, the Princess of Friendship, spread friendship to those in need of it. I think this is the point.

Griffons in general seemed to never really have "unity", it was just a false sense of one with that dumb treasure. Decently well done there.
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Postby Toboe LoneWolf (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:27 pm

Ransom wrote:It's...well honestly it's pretty darn close to establishing God or at least a god like being or force tied to frienship and harmony as a benevolent guide in the Pony universe.


It's...the FRIENDSHIP FORCE

(If Twilight can attain enough friends she can travel through time)

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:35 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Image
This was great, though I don’t think Tara need fear for her job just yet... :gotcha:


Just noticed, she seemed to mimic Twilight's faces as well. Just perfect... :v:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:40 pm

That and, well, all ponies look alike. :racis:
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Postby Youtwo (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Man if that was the seemingly capital of the Griffon people then I'd hate to see what the other Griffon communities would look like (If there are more that it :v: )

But man, great episode. I was hoping Gilda would return and boy was I glad that she did! 10/10 after my first time watching it. Season 5 has been amazing so far!
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Good to see more griffons and backstories. :yay:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:01 pm

Whoa :starity:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaspi
Mythological connection?.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:02 pm

Really nice writing and animating in this episode. World-building! Jokes! Griffons! And this was one of those episodes just packed with little flourishes to enjoy.

  • Storybook male griffons (and a few of the males in town) seem to have less... pelican-ish beaks.
  • It's easy to overlook how that giant goat steals their idol, falls off the bridge, and just dies there. The end.
  • "Awwww, well-- Tough tailfeathers! No refunds!"
  • "Typical pony hero complex" is a great line.
  • Gilda just drags Rainbow and Pinkie up out of the abyss by climbing up the rock face like it's nothing. :wowzers:

Only one little complaint: Gilda didn't sound the same, which is understandable after so much time, but it sounded like she was straining with every line. Kinda felt like she was performing as a character, not as a person. She did well with "I did have a friend once... you saw how that turned out."

Richard Ian Cox (Snails) played Grampa Gruff.

shotgunbadger wrote:Yea I like that they didn't magically save an entire crumbling nation by saying 'hey...be friends', but instead it's 'yea we showed them a better way to do things, now it's on them'.

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The Doctor wrote:I think the only random joke was the Griffon Greed thing with bits. Which seemed kind of pointless to continue stressing. Small flaw in an otherwise great episode for me.

I agree with other posters that the greed was an integral part of the story, but more importantly, what do books say about it? :excite:
Griffin wrote:Flavius Philostratus mentioned them in The Life of Apollonius of Tyana:

"As to the gold which the griffins dig up, there are rocks which are spotted with drops of gold as with sparks, which this creature can quarry because of the strength of its beak. “For these animals do exist in India” he said, “and are held in veneration as being sacred to the Sun ; and the Indian artists, when they represent the Sun, yoke four of them abreast to draw the images ; and in size and strength they resemble lions, but having this advantage over them that they have wings, they will attack them, and they get the better of elephants and of dragons. But they have no great power of flying, not more than have birds of short flight; for they are not winged as is proper with birds, but the palms of their feet are webbed with red membranes, such that they are able to revolve them, and make a flight and fight in the air; and the tiger alone is beyond their powers of attack, because in swiftness it rivals the winds."

"And the griffins of the Indians and the ants of the Ethiopians, though they are dissimilar in form, yet, from what we hear, play similar parts; for in each country they are, according to the tales of poets, the guardians of gold, and devoted to the gold reefs of the two countries."

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John Milton, in Paradise Lost II, refers to the legend of the griffin in describing Satan:

“As when a Gryfon through the Wilderness
With winged course ore Hill or moarie Dale,
Pursues the ARIMASPIAN, who by stelth
Had from his wakeful custody purloind
The guarded Gold [...]"

Arimaspi was the name of the goat. :spoiler:
Arimaspi wrote:This Aristeas, possessed by Phoibos, visited the Issedones; beyond these (he said) live the one-eyed Arimaspoi, beyond whom are the Grypes that guard gold, and beyond these again the Hyperboreoi, whose territory reaches to the sea. Except for the Hyperboreoi, all these nations (and first the Arimaspoi) are always at war with their neighbors.


Hyperborea wrote:In Greek mythology the Hyperboreans (Ancient Greek: Ὑπερβόρε(ι)οι, pronounced [hyperbóre(ː)ɔi̯]; Latin: Hyperborei) were mythical people who lived "beyond the North Wind". The Greeks thought that Boreas, the god of the North Wind (one of the Anemoi, or "Winds") lived in Thrace, and therefore Hyperborea indicates a region that lay far to the north of Thrace.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:02 pm

Ransom wrote:Whoa :starity:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaspi
Mythological connection?.

Undoubtedly, this shouldn't be a surprise by now. :-P
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:04 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:
Just noticed, she seemed to mimic Twilight's faces as well. Just perfect... :v:


The hoof-in-air is pure Twilight Sparkle Lecture Mode.

Remember, this is the pony that nearly got lectured into a coma while Twilight was trying to cram-study her during the Wonderbolts exam. If there's anyone in the Mane 6 that'd pull that, it was gonna be Dash.

I have to admit, much more Pinkie the Fool Sage than I expected here. Planting the seeds of friendship...with cocaine baking powder. And how the heck does a dump like that manage to pull things like a national sports team for the Equestrian Games?
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