S04E22: Testing Testing 1, 2, 3

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Re: S04E22: Testing Testing 1, 2, 3

Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:10 pm

Mr. Big wrote:It's a common procedure to say "testing, testing, one, two, three" whenever somebody tests a microphone.


:twistberg: Thibilenthe ... thibilenthe
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:17 pm

Richy33 wrote:Image Colonel Purple Dart


Kyle "Colonel Purple Dart" Smith will tell you all about hustle and bustle. :twiright:
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:15 am

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:Man I love these character heavy 'bottle' episodes where characters are actually able to have a conversation without some sort of forced misunderstanding or time sensitive theme.


After I watched Season 1 I thought, "y'know, you could pick any two of these characters at random, stick them in an elevator together for 22 minutes, and end up with the best episode ever." I've been wanting to see that ever since, and this ep is pretty close. (Previous standard-bearer for two characters just bouncing off each other for 22 minutes was Look Before You Sleep, which is also great.)

Richy33 wrote:The Wonderbolts! A Canon History


Nice job with this, Richy!
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:22 am

PictishBeast wrote:


Nice job with this, Richy!


I do surely hope so... :fluttersmith: I see so many mistakes with it now...
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:27 am

Richy33 wrote:
I do surely hope so... :fluttersmith: I see so many mistakes with it now...


Well you can always go back and edit it.

In discussion of the modern Wonderbolts, might be worth adding the cadet/trainee flight suits and Soarin's uniform (when he was dancing with Dash at the wedding).
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:30 am

Headless Horse wrote:
:twistberg: Thibilenthe ... thibilenthe

...How do you know what I do every time I start to record in the booth? :-o
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:58 am

I've come to realize this episode can be used to make references to that episode of Spongebob where Spongebob takes Patrick to boating school and I'm kind of disappointed people have not entirely recreated that episode with Spike, Dashie, and Twilight already.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:14 am

When Rainbow Dash said "Yeah, right. Some history buff like you must have made that up to bring us flyers down." I think she really meant it. I think she really has been harboring some resentment towards those who learn "normally", and feels like they've gone out of their way to rig the game in their own favor. She does feel like it's all Twilight's fault, and I bet she's been wanting to go on that rant for some time.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:22 am

:gotcha: remember when this episode was announced and some worried it would be a "very special episode" about PEDs?
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:12 am

I keep thinking about how well written Rainbow's and Twilight's conversation was, after Rainbow flies off feeling dejected. She shoots down every one of Twilight's attempts to reassure her, but Twilight keeps trying. She even shoots off a couple of frustrated expressions in between.

That short little scene totally captured the difficulty in trying to pick someone up who does not want to be picked up. And it's even better that Rainbow's perspective is just as understandable.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:21 am

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:modesty: Say! Where were you able to find a one hundred percent accurate Princess Celestia costume on such short notice?

Headless Horse wrote:
:twistberg: Thibilenthe ... thibilenthe


Aramek wrote:...How do you know what I do every time I start to record in the booth? :-o


:drpony: Plosive ... plosive!

:drpony: voiced epiglottal fricative.

:drpony: labiodental click
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:45 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote::drpony: Plosive ... plosive!

:drpony: voiced epiglottal fricative.

:drpony: labiodental click


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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:33 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote: :modesty: Say! Where were you able to find a one hundred percent accurate Princess Celestia costume on such short notice?

Perhaps the wisps of green magic hold the answer. :wat:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:03 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Perhaps the wisps of green magic hold the answer. :wat:

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Postby acksed (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:03 pm

Sobana wrote:When Rainbow Dash said "Yeah, right. Some history buff like you must have made that up to bring us flyers down." I think she really meant it. I think she really has been harboring some resentment towards those who learn "normally", and feels like they've gone out of their way to rig the game in their own favor. She does feel like it's all Twilight's fault, and I bet she's been wanting to go on that rant for some time.

Dash might also have been feeling guilty about lacking a basic 'universal' skill. All these ponies can learn -> I can't learn = There must be something wrong with me. "At least I'm still awesome at flying."

*begin rationality tangent*
Thing is, universal experiences are less universal than you might think. The article tells of people who didn't realise they couldn't smell, or were asexual and puzzled that everyone else seemed to have these strange impulses, but it's the commenters that are the real eye-openers: people who assumed that everyone who claimed to like their job was lying; synasthetes who wondered why no-one else could see how 7 was yellow; even someone who didn't realise that stress was a thing.

Point is, Twi, the people in the above article and the rest of the Mane 6 were displaying the typical mind fallacy i.e. believing that everyone thought like them and coming up with justifications why it was so. It's to Twi's credit that she realised this. Now, this is not a wholly bad thing - fans of Robert Rankin delighted at all the obscure references he slipped into his stories, but he was quite puzzled; he'd assumed that everyone thought like him.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:11 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote::modesty: Say! Where were you able to find a one hundred percent accurate Princess Celestia costume on such short notice?

It's Twilight's cosplay :spoiler:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:25 pm

On resentment: I think the sharpest barb Dash threw out was during their second flight: "I'm sure you'll become a great flyer in no time. After all, you're good at everything."

That's partly her frustration with Twilight's misguided attempts at motivation ("I could pass this test!"), but I wonder how strongly she believes that ("Since when does Twilight Sparkle ever fail?").
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:34 pm

I doubt she seriously believes it too much, though considering Twilight's status now I can see where Rainbow Dash would have some feelings of inadequacy lurking in her heart. It's like how Fluttershy never voiced her concerns with Rarity and Pinkie Pie until the climax of PYHD. They're the sorts of things that don't come out until you've been pressed to your limit.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:21 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Bellbottoms on the battlefield served an important purpose. How else were you supposed to tell whose funk levels were the highest and therefore who was in charge? Epaulettes? :ponder:

Also, Twilight's "how many pegasi flew in the first squadron" bit was a bullshit trick question; she never covered that in the lesson :rainbert:


Rainbow Dash would not be the first student surprised that they also have to read the syllabus, rather than just show up for the lectures (I should know, I've been holding exams for the past two weeks. Happily, the vast majority knew to also read). That book seemed pretty comprehensive, and presumably said factoid was covered within the text Rainbow Dash highlighted.

To quote Private Pansy, I really, really, (...), really do not like Rainbow Dash. She is rude, inconsiderate, often contemptuous of others' interests, egocentric to a degree that makes other prima donnas in the show pale by comparison, and has repeatedly chosen violence as her first resort. For me, she has no discernible positive qualities that are not expressed better and more admirable by others of the Mane Six. She is the Major Charles Emerson Winchester III of the show, without the love of fine music (not in the sense of being a gifted surgeon, but in the sense of an annoying main character, you may laugh at, but very rarely with (it happened from time to time in M*A*S*H, and it has happened in MLP:FIM, too)). She is, in short, a buffoon, maybe a necessary one, but not one I can love.

This, however, was an excellent episode (I'd rate it easily among Read It and Weep and Mysterious Mare Do Well, my hitherto favorite RD episodes), and probably one of the finest ensemble episodes in a long time. Each pony played true, and to their strengths (well, except poor Applejack, first "fancy mathematics" about addition, and now this? Her "up a creek" line was a classic, though). While it did not improve my appreciation of miss Dash (or her work ethics), she was used to good effect. I was impressed by the town ponies' ability to whip up props for the occasion (does Rarity keep replicas of all historical types of apparel?), giving me a sneaking suspicion that the majority could have passed that test. While the rap look was great, the rewind effect was even better. I wonder how many in the core audience have even used VHS?

The only fly in the ointment for me was her perfect 100% score. Finding an effective method of memorization is fine, but any decently designed written exam (even a multiple choice one, which I would think would be the standard in a pegasi setting, given the challenging way they write) should test more than mere facts, and I'm not convinced that learning by fly-by-diorama rather than actually hitting the books (remember, no hitting need be involved :serious:) will get you to quite those soaring heights. In that, Bart Simpson's famous D- was better. There are, sadly, no shortcuts to learning, though gaining the confidence to believe you can learn is an important first step (especially if you then do the work). (One can, of course, speculate that Rainbow Dash read The Book, once she had gained the necessary confidence to do so, but we were not shown that, and suggesting that putting off reading up for an exam to the last day is a successful strategy is not a message I would want a kids' show to convey). The "everypony laughs" scene towards the end could have been concluded rather effectively by Princess Twilight Sparkle proffering The Book with a "Seriously, though? Read it." :-/

That said, still heck of a Rainbow Dash episode. And a very nice way of info dumping the history of the Equestrian armed forces. I would posit that the forces were needed because whereas the Celestial Sisters wielding the Elements were unassailable, a single sister, however formidable, was not (though you have to wonder what kind of crazy you'd have to be to attack the country ruled by The One Who Moves the Sun with Her Mind, but I digress).
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:37 pm

Niels Olof wrote:
She is the Major Charles Emerson Winchester III of the show


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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:45 pm

Foxfyre wrote:I've come to realize this episode can be used to make references to that episode of Spongebob where Spongebob takes Patrick to boating school and I'm kind of disappointed people have not entirely recreated that episode with Spike, Dashie, and Twilight already.



I definitely think there was an intentional reference to that episode with the "Is it nap time?" line. Patrick said the same thing...
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Postby ThunderBunny (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:52 pm

Niels Olof, it is almost silly how much I love every single thing you just said. ...so much so that I had to write a nearly pointless post in order to say it.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:16 pm

I forgot to take a peek at staff Twitters this week, and this caught my eye:
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Kathy Selden: Don, you're not through!
Cosmo Brown: Why of course not. Why, with your looks and figure, you could drive an ice wagon or shine shoes!
Kathy Selden: Block hats!
Cosmo Brown: Sell pencils!
Kathy Selden: Dig ditches!
Cosmo Brown: Or worse still, go back to vaudeville.


Also... :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:20 pm

Wow...Singing In The Rain is one of my favourite films of all time and yet, I completely missed that reference. Kudos to the writers for coming up with something like that.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:48 pm

Aramek wrote:It happened because Dash is an awesome horse who is full of confidence and everyone loves her. :awesomedash:


Niels Olof wrote:To quote Private Pansy, I really, really, (...), really do not like Rainbow Dash.


It appears we have reached an impasse. :ponder:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:57 pm

We must solve this via a spirited online debate on the topic. If nothing else, it'd be interesting.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:03 pm

I'll start off the debate with an opening statement:

Rainbow Dash owns.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:07 pm

Frosthawk wrote:


It appears we have reached an impasse. :ponder:


Well, I do not begrudge others' their preferences (even if I do not understand them), and happily, I have all the other ponies to adore. :party:

Besides, Major Charles Winchester was pretty fun to watch, just as Dr. Frasier Crane, and just as likable.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:19 pm

Frosthawk wrote:It appears we have reached an impasse. :ponder:


Or -- OR -- maybe this is Niels:

:vogue: "No, I do not like Rainbow Dash."

"I love her!"
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Postby Gravenstein (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:22 pm

Richy33 wrote:First off, we have General Firefly, the pony that gave the name to the group we know as the Wonderbolts. With him, we can group the traditional flying uniform of the Wonderbolts, as shown by Rarity.

General Firefly's female, yo.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:31 pm

I adore Rainbow Dash and all her flaws. They make her so much more realistic. Like so many of us, she puts up a hard, exterior facade to the world, but we occasionally get glimpses of her on the inside. In Sonic Rainboom and Testing Testing 123, we can see that she has issues with anxiety, almost to the point of impostor syndrome. In Sleepless in Ponyville and Flight to the Finish, she has some very touching moments with Scootaloo where she lets her guard down, and we can see that she's not just the superficial, arrogant pony that so many people accuse her of being. Even since her youth, she's always been very protective of her friends, especially Fluttershy, and she definitely deserves her element of loyalty. I might find someone with Rainbow Dash's personality off-putting if I met her one time at a party, but if I were ever able to crack her shell, like her friends have, then she'd absolutely be someone I'd want as a friend. :3:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:50 pm

I guess I can say that I appreciate Rainbow Dash, but I don't really like her. While we've seen bits of kindness and consideration in her over the course of the series, it's still been little compared to the other five. She also frequently requires her friends to provide her with self-validation. Personally, I can't provide much of that IRL before I really start to get worn out, so if she were a real person then I don't think I could associate with or hang around her much.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:05 pm

I don't mind Rainbow. I think her bravado has a lot to do with being and growing up as a Pegasus--she can do something most other ponies can't. I don't see how she could help having a bit of a superior feeling towards non-Pegasi/Alicorns. The key is to keep it in check. Fluttershy is an exception because she grew up at ground level, and in fact preferred being there. :allears:
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:15 pm

Gravenstein wrote:General Firefly's female, yo.


Yup! I just went back to Pinkie's rap and slowed it down. At full speed, it sounds like "he brought them all together..." but in reality, Pinkie is saying "she brought them all together..." Sorry! :fluttersmith:

It has been fixed in the Wonderbolts thread. :)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:23 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Fluttershy is an exception because she grew up at ground level, and in fact preferred being there. :allears:

Fluttershy grew up in Cloudsdale, or at least that's where we've always seen her in flashbacks. Even after she got her cutie mark, we know she went back there, since the flashback in Hurricane Fluttershy showed her and Rainbow Dash with their marks.


(edit: of course, I'm absolutely sure she preferred being on the ground)
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Postby ThunderBunny (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:26 pm

I have an extremely poor opinion of Rainbow Dash, but I will say that I appreciate the lessons that are able to develop around her. I feel like she and Pinkie Pie provide some of the most rudimentary lessons that are important for the really young kids to take hold of. So while I may not ENJOY watching Rainbow Dash be a terrible person and would not be able to stand being around her in real life, I like the lessons that always comes out of it in the end and think those lessons are a valuable addition to the show.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:47 pm

Can't add much more about Rainbow herself, but I am a fan of sky horse and she's usually either 2nd or 3rd in my overall rankings, depending on how I feel about Rarity that day.

There's yet to be an episode the prominently features my triage of favorite pones - Fluts, Dash and Rarity. But I also have no idea what such a theoretical episode would be about.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:02 pm

Frosthawk wrote:It appears we have reached an impasse. :ponder:
Impasse or no, Dash is awesome, and will continue to be awesome regardless of other people who can't appreciate her.

:cool: Look at her. Look at her with her badass shades. Bein' too cool. Too cool for your school.

Proof of how cool she is:
Cool Proof wrote:She is rude, inconsiderate, often contemptuous of others' interests, egocentric to a degree that makes other prima donnas in the show pale by comparison, and has repeatedly chosen violence as her first resort.
All of those things are things I absolutely love about her. You just...nailed it.

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Octavia wrote:I might find someone with Rainbow Dash's personality off-putting if I met her one time at a party, but if I were ever able to crack her shell, like her friends have, then she'd absolutely be someone I'd want as a friend. :3:

Also nailed it. Absolutely someone I'd love having as a friend.

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e: Also, Charles was a heel because he was a bit of a buffoon and he was "stuffy". Dash is the opposite of stuffy.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:13 pm

I'd like her as a friend, mostly because she control the weather and can also get eagles to knit sweaters in her likeness embroidered on it. :fancyhat:
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:14 pm

You know how Dash used to hate reading books, but after Read it and Weep she became a Daring Doo fanatic? I'd love it if something like that happened here: Dash gets crazy into Wonderbolts History, and discovering how awesome it is can't help but fact drop now and then.

:awesomedash: Did you know that General Firefly once single-hoofedly took on an entire griffon squadron in the battle of Purple Porcupine Peak?!

Frosthawk wrote:There's yet to be an episode the prominently features my triage of favorite pones - Fluts, Dash and Rarity. But I also have no idea what such a theoretical episode would be about.

It seems like both Dash and Rarity consider Fluts their best friend, so I suppose that angle could be milked for some drama (although that scenario may be too grating for some.)
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