S05E08: The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone

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Re: S05E08: The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone

Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:06 pm

Pretty cool add on there. Also, can someone confirm or deny that the griffons playing dice were playing with d8 and d10 dice?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:06 pm

Ransom wrote:Whoa :starity:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaspi
Mythological connection?.


Ha, they're even related to Griffons. Awesome.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:14 pm

Sneaky, sneaky MLP staff. That's a nugget of history to wrap the entire griffon lore around I would not have expected. Even explains the whole "You got bits?" thing from an angle I would have utterly missed otherwise.
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Postby Toboe LoneWolf (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:27 pm

WandereringPony wrote:And how the heck does a dump like that manage to pull things like a national sports team for the Equestrian Games?


I was thinking that too! That said, there's still a number of underprivileged/poor countries in real life that still participate in the Olympics. So probably at that time Griffonstone had enough pride (or competition) to scrounge up enough athletes to send to the games (assuming the athletes were from Griffonstone).
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:29 pm

Toboe LoneWolf wrote:
I was thinking that too! That said, there's still a number of underprivileged/poor countries in real life that still participate in the Olympics. So probably at that time Griffonstone had enough pride (or competition) to scrounge up enough athletes to send to the games (assuming the athletes were from Griffonstone).


Alternately, they just wanted the gold medals :rainbert:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:34 pm

Ransom wrote:Pretty cool add on there. Also, can someone confirm or deny that the griffons playing dice were playing with d8 and d10 dice?


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Those definitely aren't d6's.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:39 pm

WandereringPony wrote:
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Those definitely aren't d6's.


Looks like a d10 and a d20 to me; with a d10 you can usually see 5 faces when looking at it dead on (as opposed to four sides for a d8).
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:43 pm

WandereringPony wrote:And how the heck does a dump like that manage to pull things like a national sports team for the Equestrian Games?


:rage: Some people say, you know they can't believe! Griffonstone we have a bobsled team!
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:51 pm

Anyone notice that they're seem to be making fun of the show's tropes this season? This episode alone had Gilda sarcastically mentioning that the secret ingredient is friendship (actually baking soda), and Rainbow saying that Pinkie's moral was "sappy".

The show's been running for so long they can do this now.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:52 pm

Bakertoons wrote:Anyone notice that they're seem to be making fun of the show's tropes this season? This episode alone had Gilda sarcastically mentioning that the secret ingredient is friendship (actually baking soda), and Rainbow saying that Pinkie's moral was "sappy".

The show's been running for so long they can do this now.


Best was the "No Singing" sign.

I agree. This season has felt like more S1 and S2 where they took the conventional story tropes and ideas and mess with them a little bit. Hopefully it continues for the rest of the season, because it's been a fantastic start.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:55 pm

With regards to the Equestria Games, while it's possible for Griffonstone to have scrounged up a team, I wouldn't be suprised if they were just Equestrian residents. We know there are more than ponies living there, and I'm guessing griffons that want to be successful leave Griffonstone regularly.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 5:56 pm

Ransom wrote:With regards to the Equestria Games, while it's possible for Griffonstone to have scrounged up a team, I wouldn't be suprised if they were just Equestrian residents. We know there are more than ponies living there, and I'm guessing griffons that want to be successful leave Griffonstone regularly.



Twilight specifically said Griffonstone was in Equestria though. I imagine it's a principality or something like the Crystal Empire.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:06 pm

The Doctor wrote:

Twilight specifically said Griffonstone was in Equestria though. I imagine it's a principality or something like the Crystal Empire.

Well, I was thinking of Equestria as a political entity rather than a continent, which isn't quite right I suppose.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:07 pm

Oh, that reminds me: I've seen a lot of theories about what Earth culture traditional Griffon society might represent -- Rome, Medieval Europe, etc. -- but Mongolia is an interesting choice I'd never considered.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:08 pm

Ransom wrote:Well, I was thinking of Equestria as a political entity rather than a continent, which isn't quite right I suppose.


I think it's kind of both. A continent, and a country. And there are more than just ponies and communities of mostly ponies, within the borders.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:09 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Oh, that reminds me: I've seen a lot of theories about what Earth culture traditional Griffon society might represent -- Rome, Medieval Europe, etc. -- but Mongolia is an interesting choice I'd never considered.

Heh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught a Mongolia vibe as well. Also, thanks for blowing up the dice pic guys.

I think it's kind of both. A continent, and a country. And there are more than just ponies and communities of mostly ponies, within the borders.

I was just thinking that since Twilight didn't know their current political situation they would be outside the uh' alicorn jurisdiction.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:12 pm

The Doctor wrote:

Twilight specifically said Griffonstone was in Equestria though. I imagine it's a principality or something like the Crystal Empire.


One has to wonder that for all that pony country is happy and well-off, THIS part of Equestria is a total dump.

Seriously, Celestia?

The only way it makes sense is the above mention of "Equestria is the world, not just a kingdom of ponies."
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:17 pm

Well, if we take AKRs book, Celestia and Luna came to help and protect it. They were not there to step on the toes of the other pony leaders. It fits with Celestia leadership style to let ponies take care of their own affairs and only get directly involved when absolutely necessary.

Also, one thing Griffonstone did seem to do is keep up it's outside image. They wanted people to think their capitol was a great and mighty city. No one knew there were problems there.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:18 pm

WandereringPony wrote:
One has to wonder that for all that pony country is happy and well-off, THIS part of Equestria is a total dump.

Seriously, Celestia?

The only way it makes sense is the above mention of "Equestria is the world, not just a kingdom of ponies."


They've called the world Earth before, IIRC. It could still be the continent, though.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:27 pm

:hugedork:

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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:29 pm

This was a really fun episode. :3:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:32 pm

On Gilda's voice, I think she sounded just fine. Like, sure she sounded rough and jerk-ish, but I think that's how she's supposed to sound. Maybe I'll go back to GTBO and listen to a few of her lines there, but I really don't think there's that big a difference between then and now.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:33 pm

Ransom wrote:

We need a Griffonstone version of this.

Well, there's this



(that's Octavia doing the music)
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:34 pm

WandereringPony wrote:
One has to wonder that for all that pony country is happy and well-off, THIS part of Equestria is a total dump.

Seriously, Celestia?

The only way it makes sense is the above mention of “Equestria is the world, not just a kingdom of ponies."


Two words: States’ Rights. It is quite conceivable that Equestria is a relatively loosely defined empire consisting of largely self-governed entities. Were the griffons to ask the Princess for help, I have no doubt it would be offered.
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:34 pm

I imagine Equestria just lays claim to anywhere the suns rays and the moonlight touches, while the reality of the situation is their influence is imposed rather than intrinsic. Twilight simply buys into the bunk. We've seen the ponies don't really respect the property rights of other species from Appleoosa, and Gilda called them out for perpetuating the white mans alicorns burden in this very episode. Considering how bound up FIM is in Greek and Roman mythology, it makes since that the ponies would have an imperialist attitude.
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Postby Caldera (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:47 pm

I liked this ep. It was cute and silly and I also liked those meta jokes here and there. :allears: At first I thought the goat might've been a sort of oldschool mlp villain again cause I remember seeing a goat like that before but a mythological reference is even better.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:03 pm

Well that was just lovely :allears:

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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:12 pm

Poor Griffons. But now they have scones. Soon they will have American biscuits and the magic of friendship and fattening baked goods to replace being that Bioshock place. ( I have the first 2 games on clearance but haven't gotten around to them yet. My current project to collect, play, and review every US Sega Master System game is kind of getting in the way of more regular gaming. Plus I am bad at time management. :pinkieshrug: )

I still say there are other Griffons since I ran one in a RPG session at Connecticon last year.

Cagey Bee from Stalliongrad. He was not a fan of silly ponies. Or the bourgeois. He helped save the day though. ( When I RP things GET DONE. )
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:20 pm

Captain Rufus wrote:Poor Griffons. But now they have scones. Soon they will have American biscuits and the magic of friendship and fattening baked goods to replace being that Bioshock place. ( I have the first 2 games on clearance but haven't gotten around to them yet. My current project to collect, play, and review every US Sega Master System game is kind of getting in the way of more regular gaming. Plus I am bad at time management. :pinkieshrug: )

I still say there are other Griffons since I ran one in a RPG session at Connecticon last year.

Cagey Bee from Stalliongrad. He was not a fan of silly ponies. Or the bourgeois. He helped save the day though. ( When I RP things GET DONE. )

Yeah, griffons have had a lot of fanwork done about them, so I'm sure quite a few people had their head canons and fanfictions anihilated in glorious fashion.

But, and I guess I already said this, we know Gilda wanted to get out of Griffonstone and apparently did visit Cloudsdale's school, maybe for that reason, I do think we can guess that there are plenty of griffons who fled Griffonstone for greener pastures.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:24 pm

Bakertoons wrote:(that's Octavia doing the music)
And me on the words. :v:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:25 pm

Aramek wrote:And me on the words. :v:

I give you major props for that glorious pun at the end.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:27 pm

Ransom wrote:Yeah, griffons have had a lot of fanwork done about them, so I'm sure quite a few people had their head canons and fanfictions anihilated in glorious fashion.

But, and I guess I already said this, we know Gilda wanted to get out of Griffonstone and apparently did visit Cloudsdale's school, maybe for that reason, I do think we can guess that there are plenty of griffons who fled Griffonstone for greener pastures.


Griffonstone didn't seem to have a very nurturing atmosphere. Maybe after she learned the basics her family sent Gilda to the Jr. Speedsters Camp for more advanced lessons.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:32 pm

I wonder what happened to Gilda after Speedsters Camp. Did she leave Griffonstone?
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Postby ixnay (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:34 pm

Good episode, all hail king Grover

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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:40 pm

Aramek wrote:"Hang on, loser!"
"What took you so long, doofus?"


That was the best. :awesomedash:

Seriously loved this episode so much.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:52 pm

Something about this ep rang hollow with me. Fairly good gags as usual but Gilda's sudden heel-turn to get through the plot, how empty Griffinstone and griffons as a species felt, how the Gummy punchline at the very end somehow didn't have time to breathe, I don't know, something felt off. :pinkieshrug:

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To support Ember's argument, this sounds like an imperialist, romanticized line when we see the real deal: "The griffons are sure to help you as long as you share the wealth"

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I kinda got a Nordic vibe from this hiking gear. Cute.

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Second storytime... I did not care for this style at all - too edgy.

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I agree RD, those bullies are pretty old hat at this point.

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Pinkie making a suicide move? You don't say. :fluttershock:

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Postby LunarRainbow92 (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:52 pm

Love seeing the return of Gilda and the fact that Rainbow Dash repaired her broken friendship with her, overall great episode! :awesomedash:, moral is the only gold in life you need is friendship (And I laughed at Pinkie's moments, can't believe singing is banned in Griffon stone XD) :rant:
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:53 pm

I like that the map sent them to Griffonstone more or less just to patch up Rainbow Dash's relationship with Gilda. It almost make me think that the map cares about the betterment of the mane 6 and their understanding of friendship just as much as it does about fixing things elsewhere.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:58 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Something about this ep rang hollow with me. Fairly good gags as usual but Gilda's sudden heel-turn to get through the plot, how empty Griffinstone and griffons as a species felt, how the Gummy punchline at the very end somehow didn't have time to breathe, I don't know, something felt off. :pinkieshrug:


I don't think it was a sudden heel turn. Both Gilda and Rainbow Dash clearly regret their friendship ending, and them remembering how thye became friends makes this a great redemption episode for me.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 23, 2015 7:59 pm

How is RD shown to remember?
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