S05E03: Castle Sweet Castle

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Re: S05E03: Castle Sweet Castle

Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:03 am

I hope we see some continuity in the future episodes regarding the unseen rooms.

I'm sure some research will be done at some point, so seeing the Darring Do stuff in the Library would be nice.

Seems a few times a season we get a cold opening of Twilight waking up in bed, so I'd like to see a lot of stuffed animals on her bed.

I'd also like to see that Spike has his own room and bed now, not just the doggie bed on the floor.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:14 am

Ransom wrote:Maybe Ponyville becomes a boomtown with the new princess and all?

I'm just not sure why they went with crystal for the castle. In the Crystal Empire, we can assume they just mine the stuff, or it grows out of the ground or whatever. Just like Canterlot is all elegant gold spires, cupolas, and bridges, Ponyville is working-class wood and nails (except for that one house with the Greek columns). It's hard to see how the town will grow into the look of a crystal palace, unless the tree starts spitting out more houses, or they import all their building materials.

That said, "rustic" isn't really befitting a princess, but personally, I'd like to see the castle evolve later on.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:19 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:I'm just not sure why they went with crystal for the castle. In the Crystal Empire, we can assume they just mine the stuff, or it grows out of the ground or whatever. Just like Canterlot is all elegant gold spires, cupolas, and bridges, Ponyville is working-class wood and nails (except for that one house with the Greek columns). It's hard to see how the town will grow into the look of a crystal palace, unless the tree starts spitting out more houses, or they import all their building materials.

That said, "rustic" isn't really befitting a princess, but personally, I'd like to see the castle evolve later on.


I think a more traditional, European style castle would have worked.

Or even that artwork from a year or so ago of the really elaborate tree castle. I think that would have looked great.

edit: Can't find that piece of artwork. We were discussing it recently too, but I can't remember in which thread.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:23 am

Isn't it just because the Tree of Harmony was crystalline, and the castle came from the tree?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:24 am

PaulloDEC wrote:Isn't it just because the Tree of Harmony was crystalline, and the castle came from the tree?


I would venture a guess that the Tree Castle was a toy design they had to work into the show, and that the Tree of Harmony was designed after that. I bet they worked backwards.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:38 am

I thought it was a really sweet episode although it was pretty predictable. The song was admittedly a bit bland but it was still nice to hear the girls singing again after such a long break. In comparison with the other third episodes of each season it's my second favorite, below Lesson Zero but on par with Too Many Pinkies for different reasons.

Spike was great this episode, I like when he's the brutally honest voice of reason. I was a little annoyed that after 4 seasons her best friends didn't think to immediately fill her house with books but at least they realize their mistake after the song. The castle still isn't as cozy as the library but I wasn't as disappointed as other people were when it was destroyed and never expected any drastic changes anytime soon.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:39 am

The Doctor wrote:
I would venture a guess that the Tree Castle was a toy design they had to work into the show, and that the Tree of Harmony was designed after that. I bet they worked backwards.


You're probably right. That being said, it does kinda make sense that a tree that can grow gems would be crystalline, and that a castle grown from said tree would share the same properties. I mean, at least they've picked a theme and stuck to it, I guess.

In a perfect world I'd have loved Twilight's castle to be like a bigger version of Golden Oak(s), but then that kinda suggests Twilight is a character heavily in tune with nature, which doesn't really fit.
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:55 am

Oh yeah pony show happened

-Twilight's a jerk to Angel. I approve.
-Something about the end of the cold open feels a little weird. It might be that I'm kind of getting mixed signals from the setup/normal expectations for a scene like this, which make me expect Angel's reaction to the bath to be something of a punchline, and the actual execution, where Angel just looks slightly grumpy and we get a foreboding musical sting and then we fade to black.
-twilight take a bath
-"The surprise is I lost the measuring spoon in the batter" made me laugh.
-twilight you're still covered in mud stop putting this off
-twilight you're getting mud on the pancakes now this isn't okay
-"Hello my name is Pancake Sparkle"
-pinkie that pancake is covered in twilight's facemud even you should be having second thoughts
-"Nopony knows me better than you." Except Spike. Plus he has to live there too. Doesn't he get a say in this process?
-I guess not. But it's cute that he enjoys sleeping in cavern-esque conditions.
-Dash you're sounding a bit autotuney there. Am I the only one hearing that? The end of "togethe-er" specifically.
-Congratulations Rarity, you got Dash and Applejack to sing the word "divine."
-You guys realize you're just renovating Twilight's house to look like your own, right? I mean I realize that's probably the point of the episode but c'mon.
-Dash hanging up a picture of herself is pretty funny.
-I like Spike's head poking into the corner of that picture.
-I feel like somebody should've pointed out that stuffing the castle full of animals was a bad idea for this exact reason.
-Bold Bigflank is an A+ background character.
-Are they all gonna get snippy and start down a dark road of vindictive decoration removal? Because if the goal is to get stuff uncluttered that's honestly a good way to make sure it gets done.
-Have we ever heard it called "the Golden Oak Library" before?
-I like that Twilight's thinking about Spike. I'm not the only one!
-"Everypony knows babies are terrible sleepers." It's true!
-See? I was right about getting rid of that clutter.
-But wait, doesn't this mean there's now a giant pile of rejected decorations sitting outside that room?
-"If we can't do this, Twilight will be stuck living in a castle that makes her feel sad!" Was that supposed to make the stakes seem higher?
-Pinkie Pie: zero to worry in one commercial break.
-"Maybe we should think about what Twilight would want instead of just filling this room with the stuff we like!" Yes, good. Next they're going to realize they need to decorate more than one room.
-"That's it! Twilight's defining character trait! Why didn't we think of this earlier?"
-Man, a song and a refrain? How indulgent!
-I'm glad Twilight also noticed the lack of work on anything other than that one room.
-Picture gems? Yeah, okay. But I still feel like this one ornament isn't really addressing the problem.
-Okay, so they did do more work.

Episode's a bit on the predictable side, to the point where it feels just a little bit uninspired, especially because I could swear they've done this exact moral before. "Twilight feels kind of lonely in this big empty castle and it could use some decoration" is the kind of continuity/worldbuilding/character-based premise I like to see, though, and it's nice that the writers are thinking about these kind of more nuanced, down-to-earth consequences to stuff like the treehouse blowing up.
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:45 am

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:51 am

Personally, I think we might see more...renovations of the castle as the season goes on, sort of like a background story.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:54 am

The surprise appearance from Bulk Biceps was a good joke.

Myriad references to old episodes in this one, so glad they didn't do any flashbacks.

Twilight must be fairly easy to please. :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:12 am

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:Twilight must be fairly easy to please. :v:

Well, she's never been the extravagant sort. It's implied that her castle already has a filled library, and of course Spike is already there, so all she really needs now is the appreciation of her friends.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:48 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:The surprise appearance from Bulk Biceps was a good joke.


Yeah, that's kind of the feeling I get about the episode as a whole: nothing big really stands out as a win, but lots of little things were done just right. Bulk Biceps was used perfectly. And all of Opposing Farce's "Hey, what about" comments were all addressed directly, just like the show has always done ("Uh Twilight, should we be hiding in a giant tree during a lightning storm?" "Magical lightning rod, lol").

Plus lots of pony bickering, which can be tiresome, especially if everyone is flanderized—but they weren't here. And it was great fun.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:15 pm

Something else that felt "movie-paced" was the whole scene with Fluttershy geeeeently hinting that Twilight please go away now, while she just keeps dusting and dusting. :gotcha:

E: Also, great comedy reveal: the ponies sitting around the pancake table talking shit about Twilight, and then pull back and Twilight is right there (only asleep) :lol:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:05 pm

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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:13 pm

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No it's just a magical castle that's bigger on the inside please don't spread misinformation :spike101:
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:14 pm

Feels like Rarity was going to call Twilight ugly, or worse.

:rariwhat: "Twilight I've never seen you look so..."
:nnngh: "Frazzled?"
:vogue: "...yes that's EXACTLY the word I was looking for."
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:16 pm

The Doctor wrote:
I think a more traditional, European style castle would have worked.

Or even that artwork from a year or so ago of the really elaborate tree castle. I think that would have looked great.

edit: Can't find that piece of artwork. We were discussing it recently too, but I can't remember in which thread.

If what you're talking about is what I think you're talking about, that wasn't concept art for the show. That was a creative drawing that was part of the portfolio of someone who worked on the show. It also wasn't a tree castle, it was a tree that you could travel up to see the village on top of the tree.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:20 pm

AlliterativeAxolotl wrote:
No it's just a magical castle that's bigger on the inside please don't spread misinformation :spike101:


There's even a glowing beacon on the top!

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:23 pm

Man, nearly all the establishing shots we've seen of the castle have been from a distance, so right now it's hard to get a proper sense of scale. There's plenty of room up top for those huge rooms.

There must be one hell of a main staircase to climb in there, though. :-I
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:24 pm

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PictishBeast wrote:Feels like Rarity was going to call Twilight ugly, or worse.

:rariwhat: "Twilight I've never seen you look so..."
:nnngh: "Frazzled?"
:vogue: "...yes that's EXACTLY the word I was looking for."

Image Twilight, you look like shit.
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:24 pm

Theory: Most of the castle is underground, Nargothrond style

Which makes Spike living there pretty funny

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:32 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Man, nearly all the establishing shots we've seen of the castle have been from a distance, so right now it's hard to get a proper sense of scale. There's plenty of room up top for those huge rooms.

There must be one hell of a main staircase to climb in there, though. :-I


All the pony homes suffer from TARDIS syndrome, I'm just having a bit of fun. Though, I am a little surprised that, being a new building, they didn't map out the interior during the design phase.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:35 pm

It makes me wonder to what degree Twilight's castle is going to suffer from Pride Rock Syndrome this season:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:22 pm

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You know, everything seems to be a TARDIS these days on the internet. Are they really that common? :v:
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:31 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Man, nearly all the establishing shots we've seen of the castle have been from a distance, so right now it's hard to get a proper sense of scale. There's plenty of room up top for those huge rooms.

There must be one hell of a main staircase to climb in there, though. :-I

Obviously there's a gorgeous magical elevator. :vogue:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:48 pm

Chaos Sonic wrote:Obviously there's a gorgeous magical elevator. :vogue:



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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:19 pm

:twonk: We have to go faster...faster! Or we'll never get through the roof!

:flutterdear: But this elevator is made of glass...we'll be smashed to bits!

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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:49 pm

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:51 pm

As we seem to observe the castle from one angle only, we can assume that the castle is actually an isosceles triangle in floor plan — we are looking at the sharp end and the castle reaches to the horizon. :-I

This was amusing all around, everypony was well in character, and the plot resolved satisfactorily.

Bulk Biceps demonstrating how a pegasus with differently sized wings can adapt and still be able to pick stuff/dragons up was a nice joke, as was the lampshading of his entering through breaking.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:02 pm

I think that the reasons why the Bulk joke works so well is how its set up. You have Aloe talking nice and softly and then, out of nowhere, "YEAHHHHH!".
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:03 pm

He also didn't get overused, unlike in Rainbow Falls.
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Postby Ragnar (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:03 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Image Probably.

I need this emote.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:09 pm

While we might not need another smug smiley, I'm all for that one being implemented.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:33 pm

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There's even a glowing beacon on the top!

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All I ever see when I look at it is a hand with a raised middle finger. :-I
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:39 pm

A nice shot to wrap up the episode might have been one of the hole where the tree was located, and at the bottom there's a seed, and suddenly a sprout pops out... :allears:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:55 pm

:ponder: which begs the question, where do the Townspeople go for books now?

:scootawoo: :ohboy: :sweet: BOOKS!

:vogue: Bye, bye, girls!

:v: have fun storming the castle!

:eyebrow: Think Twilight will give them a book?

:thatsright: it would take a miracle.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:02 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:A nice shot to wrap up the episode might have been one of the hole where the tree was located, and at the bottom there's a seed, and suddenly a sprout pops out... :allears:

Save it for the season finale when the town gets wrecked again and only the castle survives... and then...
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:56 am

Oh dang, I know where I've seen this before.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:41 am

PonyHag714 wrote:A nice shot to wrap up the episode might have been one of the hole where the tree was located, and at the bottom there's a seed, and suddenly a sprout pops out... :allears:


So....it's like that Spongebob episode where his pineapple is eaten by nematodes. :v:

Anyway, wow, I didn't notice that callback before. Good eye, Scuderia.
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