S05E03: Castle Sweet Castle

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Re: S05E03: Castle Sweet Castle

Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:05 pm

:beggarshy: Sad...sad...sad...sad...

I liked this one. I kind of knew they'd start fighting over how they decorated the castle, but the memory crystals were a good idea.

I think only Pinkie could get away with referencing the library blowing up as a flashback. :-P
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:05 pm

The Doctor wrote::lol: After a long discussion about how much Twilight loves books, they don't get her one book.

Rainbow Dash mentioned the library, implying that there's already a ton of books there.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:08 pm

I did like the Bulk cameo. I also liked how Twi still has that little snarky tone to her voice. :twiright:

And Rarity better still be able to wrap Spike around her hoof. :vogue:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:09 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:I did like the Bulk cameo. I also liked how Twi still has that little snarky tone to her voice. :twiright:


Did anyone else get Ren and Stimpy flashbacks when Bulk picked up Spike with his pecs?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:10 pm

This episode felt a lot like Castle Mane-ia, in that it came down to being a lot more about the friendship that the six of them share rather than whatever set piece it's taking place in (and both this and that episode involved big castles, even). It didn't end up being quite as feels-y as I thought it'd be, but still, the scene with Twilight and Spike at the ruined library hit fairly hard anyway.

I'm glad that Joanna Lewis and Kristine Songco did such a good job with all of them. I was worried about having FiM rookies write this episode, but I feel like they nailed the personalities of the Mane Six. Now I'm looking forward to any future episodes they might write.
PonyHag714 wrote:I did like the Bulk cameo. I also liked how Twi still has that little snarky tone to her voice. :twiright:

See, this is a good use of Bulk Biceps. The joke with him didn't get smeared in our faces like it was back in Rainbow Falls.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:10 pm

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I seriously want them to have them show up at various times from now on.

Some villain in season 8 is going to be thwarted from taking over the castle by a random burst of confetti.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:11 pm

Count me in as someone that was surprised that they didn't get her books. Anyway, this episode had everything and was a real emotional rollercoaster. The sudden shift from laughing my guts out as Bulk's massage to the...more serious parts with the ruined library was really well done. I'm not the only one who started crying a little bit.

Anyway, good to see new writers put out such great material.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:12 pm

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There were two Denny's ads during the show, which is quite appropriate.


.... and one ad for a baldness cure :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:13 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:.... and one ad for a baldness cure :-I

Well, y'know, all those 6-to-12-year-old kids going bald these days, that's an untapped market!
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Postby Picklepaige (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:13 pm

This one was so good! I agree it was a bit like Castle-Mania, which was probably my favorite episode from Season 4. Loved the character interactions.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:16 pm

Yeah, the bald ad took me by surprise. Who bought up that airtime anyway? :-P
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:17 pm

I'm going to go through it once it's online, but I am a bit surprised so little thought was put into the interior layout of the castle.

Clearly the trunk isn't a giant, expansive hallways, and the castle doesn't have that many rooms.

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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:17 pm

This one was mid-pack for SxE3 episodes (I loved S4E3), but the chandelier reveal at the end was genuinely touching, and very, very cool. Twilight's new mane 'do she had at the spa was pretty sweet, too; I bet it'll be just a few more minutes before there's fan art of it available.
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:18 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah, the bald ad took me by surprise. Who bought up that airtime anyway? :-P


People who knew me and Kefka would be watching.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:19 pm

What if they're personalising ads? :flutterdear:

"Hey, ROBOT B9, buy some more Bogart movies on Blu-Ray!"
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:19 pm

Interesting episode. I'm glad the show at least takes time to address all these things that it knows the audience is considering. It rarely leaves you hanging about a certain point, they definitely think of every possible outcome and address why each one will or will not work. I feel that kind of mentality is what gets you episodes like Filli Vanilli, with the "solution" being the Poison Joke. The show always keeps track of its assets and makes use of them at every opportunity. They don't always throw things away as offhand references. They allow those things, that other shows would relegate to referential humor, bloom into fully fledged character studies and episode premises. I'm always thankful that this show approaches storytelling from what appears to be a new and inventive angle.

That being said, I'm with a couple others in that I wish there was maybe some more emotional punch. Then again, the first mainline episode of a season is almost invariably fun and low-key.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:20 pm

Couple of things to note: Rainbow Dash in particular seemed to be autotuned really obviously in the song, and I'm pretty sure it was in one of AJ's bits too. I wonder what's up with that, Ashleigh Ball having problems with her voice or something? I don't recall obvious autotune being used in the songs before, so it's kinda weird.

Also, Meghan McCarthy was the story editor for this episode, which doesn't make much sense. She was supposed to only have been there for the latter half because of Rainbow Rocks and Larson was appropriately enough the story editor in the last episode, but now we have the third episode of the season and she's already back?

Another production credits note: Jim Miller was director, not co-director for this episode. The show is really inconsistent about the director credit so it might be nothing, but it could also be an indication that he directed this episode (though then again, James Wootton was almost always credited as director, even when the episode was directed by Jayson Thiessen) by himself, instead of doing it with Thiessen.

Now that I think about it, is it possible that these small two things might've been because this episode was actually produced as a part of the latter half of the season, when Meghan McCarthy would've been free to do story editing, and Jayson Thiessen would've been busy supervising the animation for Rainbow Rocks with Ishi Rudell?
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:21 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Yeah, the bald ad took me by surprise. Who bought up that airtime anyway? :-P

It's Discovery Family. Parents are watching too.

Ruflux wrote:Also, Meghan McCarthy was the story editor for this episode, which doesn't make much sense. She was supposed to only have been there for the latter half because of Rainbow Rocks and Larson was appropriately enough the story editor in the last episode, but now we have the third episode of the season and she's already back?

Now that I think about it, is it possible that these small two things might've been because this episode was actually produced as a part of the latter half of the season, when Meghan McCarthy would've been free to do story editing, and Jayson Thiessen would've been busy supervising the animation for Rainbow Rocks with Ishi Rudell?

No, Larson didn't even say he had the whole first half. He just had a short run in the beginning, but Meghan still ended up coming in before some of the scripts were done. I assume Cutie Map might've been the only one that was completely handled by Larson since he was also a writer for it.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:22 pm

Ruflux wrote:Couple of things to note: Rainbow Dash in particular seemed to be autotuned really obviously in the song, and I'm pretty sure it was in one of AJ's bits too. I wonder what's up with that, Ashleigh Ball having problems with her voice or something? I don't recall obvious autotune being used in the songs before, so it's kinda weird.

Also, Meghan McCarthy was the story editor for this episode, which doesn't make much sense. She was supposed to only have been there for the latter half because of Rainbow Rocks and Larson was appropriately enough the story editor in the last episode, but now we have the third episode of the season and she's already back?

Another production credits note: Jim Miller was director, not co-director for this episode. The show is really inconsistent about the director credit so it might be nothing, but it could also be an indication that he directed this episode (though then again, James Wootton was almost always credited as director, even when the episode was directed by Jayson Thiessen) by himself, instead of doing it with Thiessen.

Now that I think about it, is it possible that these small two things might've been because this episode was actually produced as a part of the latter half of the season, when Meghan McCarthy would've been free to do story editing, and Jayson Thiessen would've been busy supervising the animation for Rainbow Rocks with Ishi Rudell?


Was it ever said that Meghan and Mitch were splitting up purely for first half and second half? I thought it was just that they would be sharing the editor duties, and I figured they'd mix it up throughout the season.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:23 pm

It wasn't as cathartic as I was hoping, but it was still pretty sweet. The root chandelier is a nice way of merging the old and the new. I'll still miss that damn tree, though :fluttersmith:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:23 pm

One thing I do think Castle Mane-ia did better is that it felt like it went a bit deeper into the personalities of all of them. Like, with the way they were split up in that episode, it at least felt like we got better looks at how Rarity and Fluttershy and Applejack and Rainbow Dash behave around each other, whereas here it came off a bit more as a superficial look at what each of the other five like. I don't know, I guess it all felt a bit more... diluted? We still got plenty of great scenes out of it, but I can't help but feel like this episode was trying to be just a little more like The Ticket Master in the sense of (re)introducing them to the audience. Now I must wonder if season 6, episode 3 will do a similar thing.
Ruflux wrote:Couple of things to note: Rainbow Dash in particular seemed to be autotuned really obviously in the song, and I'm pretty sure it was in one of AJ's bits too. I wonder what's up with that, Ashleigh Ball having problems with her voice or something? I don't recall obvious autotune being used in the songs before, so it's kinda weird.

I've heard a few different people saying this, but I thought and still think that Rainbow Dash sounded great. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:25 pm

Should've kept that awesome picture, imho.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:26 pm

:flutterdear: Twilight...isn't that mane kind of wild and crazy?

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:29 pm

Clearly the most important revelation of this episode is that Spike has graduated from "pet sleeping at the foot of the bed" status. :yikes:

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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:30 pm

Hmm, between Pinkie remembering the tree blowing up and ratting out the equalized ponies in the first ep, that's two episodes where Pinkie has let her mouth get ahead of her brain, but immediately realized it. That a new trend?

I don't know, maybe I paid way too much attention to the arguments around Filli Vanilli but I noticed it :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:31 pm

That sleeping Twilight was some of the highlights. :yay:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:33 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I've heard a few different people saying this, but I thought and still think that Rainbow Dash sounded great. :pinkieshrug:


I thought she sounded a bit off when the song started, but that's it. And I don't think it was the voice, but that the song itself seemed a bit to pop-music in that...

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:36 pm

Ransom wrote:Hmm, between Pinkie remembering the tree blowing up and ratting out the equalized ponies in the first ep, that's two episodes where Pinkie has let her mouth get ahead of her brain, but immediately realized it. That a new trend?

I don't know, maybe I paid way too much attention to the arguments around Filli Vanilli but I noticed it :pinkieshrug:

At least she's realizing her problem. Back in Filli Vanilli, she thought she was helping until the others had to beat it into her that no, she wasn't.
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And considering that he's sleeping with a tiny Rarity plushie, I suppose he never fully got over her.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:39 pm

That itself made the episode worthwhile.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:41 pm

Marimo wrote:No, Larson didn't even say he had the whole first half. He just had a short run in the beginning, but Meghan still ended up coming in before some of the scripts were done. I assume Cutie Map might've been the only one that was completely handled by Larson since he was also a writer for it.


The Doctor wrote:Was it ever said that Meghan and Mitch were splitting up purely for first half and second half? I thought it was just that they would be sharing the editor duties, and I figured they'd mix it up throughout the season.

Apparently the official word on this is that it was indeed just the "beginning part." Still feels weird that a staff member tweeted about Larson being the co-story editor if it was just for the first two episodes. Although since the episodes are written out of order, Meghan might've well been there for when this was written, but not present when another episode that's aired far later in the season was being worked on.

Who knows really, I'm just baffled as to why they'd even bring it up if it really was a temp thing lasting for two whole episodes. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:45 pm

I have to wonder something about the name of the library. In most other sources it's always been Golden Oaks Library, but in this episode it was explicitly referred to in the singular ("Golden Oak Library"). To be fair, I don't think the comics, the trading cards, the Gameloft game, etc., have been 100% consistent on the spelling either.

Still, it figures that the show only uses the library's proper name after it's been destroyed. :v:
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:46 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I've heard a few different people saying this, but I thought and still think that Rainbow Dash sounded great. :pinkieshrug:

It's super obvious in the lines where a note is held for longer than a second. Those can be hard to pull off sometimes, which is why they're often autotuned, and they definitely sound autotuned here. Meanwhile, having trouble holding a steady note can be indicative of vocal problems, but as I said, it could also mean absolutely nothing. Either way, it's just something I noticed.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:49 pm

Ruflux wrote:

Apparently the official word on this is that it was indeed just the "beginning part." Still feels weird that a staff member tweeted about Larson being the co-story editor if it was just for the first two episodes. Although since the episodes are written out of order, Meghan might've well been there for when this was written, but not present when another episode that's aired far later in the season was being worked on.

Who knows really, I'm just baffled as to why they'd even bring it up if it really was a temp thing lasting for two whole episodes. :pinkieshrug:

I remember that Gravity Falls had rotating story editor credits, too, with Dan McGrath and Rob Renzetti back in season 1.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:53 pm

Angel will be the bad guy in the season finale when he goes for his revenge.


Edit. Dawns on me...

:lol:Two new writers likely watched the series before writing this episode, and one of their takeaways was "That little jerk bunny needs to get kicked into some mud".
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:56 pm

Another indicator S1 was a heavy influence: Spike relapsing to his Rarity crush.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:59 pm

The very specific season one callbacks should probably tip everyone off. I dunno, it feels a bit cheap in a way. Almost like a new writer's trap, referencing and bringing up things from way back in the first season, just to remind people of all those great moments from before, thus taking attention away from the actual episode. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:59 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Another indicator S1 was a heavy influence: Spike relapsing to his Rarity crush.

We've seen this sort of thing as late as JFS and Simple Ways. If we were going full S1 then he'd be obsessing like he was in GIYC or A Dog and Pony Show.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:00 pm

It's just a plushie, and he is a kid. Sweetie Belle has a Spike plushie in the comics. I just think it was an adorable little background gag.
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