S05E13: Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?

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Re: S05E13: Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?

Postby Strangepony (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:45 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:How do we not have that hugging smiley yet? :allears:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:31 am

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:ponder: I now wonder if Celestia was in the original script, but cut.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:33 am

This was more "mane 6 are the main characters" syndrome than anything else, but I didn't mind Celestia not being in it. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:12 am

I think that Celestia wasn't in it because she doesn't want to deal with her sister's problems, especially what happened last time. She's afraid that she'll mess up again.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:23 am

londonarbuckle wrote:Did the singing flowers sound like Tara to anyone else. "Watch me solo on this flute" sounded like that character she played on Chowder, whatever her name was.


I heard "jazz flute". Was I hearing things?
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:35 am

Gnot Syndrome wrote:Like, "oh, Twilight likes books, so she's in a library."
"Applejack likes apples, so she's polishing a big apple."
"Rarity likes dresses, so, uh... dresses are flying around!"

Totally agree. There were some fun callbacks in that final fight, but there wasn't nearly enough learning about the characters' mental states which should be table stakes for any dream episode.

I guess you could say we learned something about Luna, Fluttershy, and Big Mac, but having Rarity dream about dresses and Applejack dream about apples is just :unenthused:

The Crystal Empire Pt. 2 did a much better dream sequence when Twilight walked through Sombra's evil door.

I dunno, I feel like I'm being too hard on it but I feel the episode really whiffed on characterization in favor of stuff like "here's the Power Ponies again."
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:19 am

^^ That being basically what felt flat about parts of Magic Duel to me, like "oh hey remember parasprites".

I didn't know what to make of all these callbacks and shoutouts. Like, every successive one I let out a bigger bark of choking disbelieving laughter. Princess Big Mac is Jayson Thiessen being such a big lovable dork that when he promises some fan that "yeah that's a pretty funny idea, we should probably put that in an episode someday" he actually feels like he has to make good on that promise. I can indulge that one just because it's so gloriously goofy. But Power Ponies (just two at random out of the six?) and Flutterbat out of nowhere felt really shallowly rooted in any kind of show continuity and seemed only to make the barest attempt at acknowledging the dream state as their justification; it's not like we've ever been given to believe that RD or Applejack ever fantasized about their Power Ponies incarnations to the extent that they'd voluntarily turn into them again if given the chance to lucid dream. And Flutterbat doesn't make any kind of sense nohow. As an Episode 100 Part 2 this all worked perfectly well; but as a serious progression of Luna's dreamscape worldbuilding, the self-referential gags seemed like cheap stunts. Not much of it felt like a dream, which is annoying largely because I know this show can do dreamlike reality convincingly (e.g. For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils).

But that's not to say I didn't have fun. I loved Luna everywhere she appeared, especially zipping around kicking ass and getting into all kinds of new poses with the animation. I really appreciated what this episode did for her character-development-wise. It was great to see some further exploration of her relationship with the Mane 6 and with the rest of the town.

And I love how Winona rubbed her ear on the table after she got it chomped by Gummy. :awesomedash:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:28 am

E: Scootaloo's giant wings though, those were kind of awesome :amazing:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:57 am

Headless Horse wrote:
I heard "jazz flute". Was I hearing things?

It's pretty slurred, but "this flute" makes more sense.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:09 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:It's pretty slurred, but "this flute" makes more sense.

That's how I heard it, too.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:30 am

I heard it as jazz flute, personally. :pinkieshrug:

Oh no, this'll be the new "for" or "from" debate! :gonkity:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:17 pm

:ponder: So if Princess Celestia raises the sun...and Luna raises the moon, and Cadence is the Princess of Love, and Twilight is the Princess of Friendship, what is Big Mac the princess of?

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:05 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I think that Celestia wasn't in it because she doesn't want to deal with her sister's problems, especially what happened last time. She's afraid that she'll mess up again.

Celestia wasn't in it because this episode is about forgiving yourself, so what Celestia may think isn't particularly relevant to Luna's problem. Besides, it's not as if Celestia can provide much credible insight on self-forgiveness -- she's never made any big mistakes that we're aware of. (She feels bad about imprisoning Luna, but doesn't see it as a mistake; she feels that it was the necessary and right course.) It's a lesson that's more meaningful coming from six ponies who have all screwed up in ways both small and calamitous.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:55 pm

:pcstare: My sister...I'm so glad you're having pleasant dreams again.

:unenthused: Yes, indeed...a slug of Milk of Marenesia before bed helps as well.

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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:26 am

LunarRainbow92 wrote:(Never thought I would hear the Barney theme ever again *shudders*)

I must be showing my age when I saw that as yet another generic nursery rhyme rip (specifically This Old Man) and not specifically the I Love You song. :granny: I guess I can see the Teletubbies and Barney influence on Dash's dream, even though I personally was reminded of the scene in Roger Rabbit when Eddie goes into Toontown for the first time.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:05 am

Davyinatoga wrote:I must be showing my age when I saw that as yet another generic nursery rhyme rip (specifically This Old Man) and not specifically the I Love You song. :granny: I guess I can see the Teletubbies and Barney influence on Dash's dream, even though I personally was reminded of the scene in Roger Rabbit when Eddie goes into Toontown for the first time.

:starity: 2.5 decades and I'm just now realizing those are the exact same melody, my only excuse is that "I Love You" was always at a much slower tempo so I never made the connection as a kid.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:18 am

I took it to be a riff on Barney specifically because it was taking a nursery rhyme that normally doesn't have much to do with saccharine sweet kiddie cartoons (This Old Man) and repurposing it as exactly that for shock/horror effect as a sideswipe at the kind of cloying material that Barney exemplifies.

In other words, if they weren't poking fun at Barney, they could have picked any other nursery rhyme tune in the world (or made up their own) and it would have served equally well as a "Rainbow Dash's worst nightmare" soundtrack. Using "This Old Man" in and of itself is just kind of a non-sequitur.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:11 am

For the joke, it's the Barney theme song.

For the purposes of music licensing, it's definitely "This Old Man."
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:04 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:For the joke, it's the Barney theme song.

For the purposes of music licensing, it's definitely "This Old Man."

For the purposes of music licensing, This Old Man is in the public domain, so anyone is free to use it. :spike101:
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:23 am

Octavia wrote:For the purposes of music licensing, This Old Man is in the public domain, so anyone is free to use it. :spike101:

Which is likely why Barney used it, and why it's so easily imitable.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:01 am

As always, MST3K said it best:

"This song is public domain, we don't have to pay anyone! Hahahaha!"
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Postby Mordja (?) » Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:58 am

Lol, RIP ROBOT B9

Anyway, had somehow forgot that this wasn't a new episode and was confused at first. Anyway, more rewatch thoughts.
-Nice character moment near the start; when Spike flaunts his night's sleep again after Luna arrives, only Rarity, RD and Twilight say "We know" in exasperation. Fluttershy and Pinkie are too mellow to get pissed.
-Those dress-monsters are somehow familiar but I just can't place it.
-Gawd Luna, nobody likes a martyr. Speaking of Luna, I do miss her archaic speaking habits from her first reintroduction ep. Oh well.
-Real good episode and poignant to boot.
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Postby Jill (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:58 pm

  • So we're starting with some NMM transformation followed by friendship blast. Make that two.
  • "My dream ended happily? THAT CANNOT HAPPEN" okay then. I'm gonna guess that when Luna stops having nightmares, it means some kind of seal on NMM has been broken.
  • It might seem silly that Pinkie doesn't act much different when tired, but a lack of sleep tends to make me act more like she normally does. :v: I guess that's because it dulls my hyper-awareness and sensitivity around people. It's hard to be very anxious when you just don't have the energy to overthink every move you make.
  • "Blue smoke thingy" gee wonder what that could be
  • Okay so maybe it has nothing to do with NMM but I was still mostly right.
  • Spike's feeling left out of Luna's dreams. What a creep.
  • DREAM TENTACLES :eep:
  • So is this gonna be like Applebuck Season but with Luna?
  • pinkie no quit screwing up everything
  • "It's so nice to be the pet for once." :starity: :starity: :starity: You don't say.
  • Rainbow Dash has a very predictable distinction between dreams and nightmares.
  • Welp, mission failed. Universe over.
  • Giant Muffins is Mayor Mare's nightmare.
  • That Lyrabon hug. :3:
  • That Berry Punch, what an airhead.
  • A doom house?!
  • I see Flutterbat has returned once already. :allears:
  • Well what do you know? Princess Big Mac actually happened.
  • Library revival! Book storm! :twonk:
  • Fluttershy befriended even her own nightmare. :flutterunsmith:
  • Okay so this whole thing is about Luna's inability to forgive herself and how one's own guilt can become a hazard to those around them. Hmm, nope. I just can't seem to relate. :liarjack:
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