S04E19: Trade Ya!

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Re: S04E19: Trade Ya!

Postby MochaBean (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:43 am

Maybe they're Officially Licensed Discord® Lamps! Now that he's free and technically a law-abiding citizen, he's cashing in on his image.

:excellent: Nuts to this chaos business, the big bucks're in merchandising!
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:09 am

If Discord wasn't mentioned, I would say that he would be Sylvain's favorite character.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:20 am

:twiright: "Now, this book isn't a valuable 1st edition, just a well-used paperback copy."
:awesomedash: "Even better! Because that means I can read it --"
:excite: "With all your friends?"
:v: "I was gonna say 'on the can', but your answer's better."
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:23 am

I have to say, I definitely sympathized with Twilight at the end there. I also have a good number of books that I keep around entirely for sentimental reasons. And some aren't even actual literature; hell, one's a textbook from 7th grade.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:27 am

Oh, to add to the callback list: Power Ponies :-P
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:32 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I have to say, I definitely sympathized with Twilight at the end there. I also have a good number of books that I keep around entirely for sentimental reasons. And some aren't even actual literature; hell, one's a textbook from 7th grade.

B-b-b-but, she's hoarding, and she's a librarian, she's supposed to support reading for others!!!!!11

(Yes, this is a real complaint making the rounds.)

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I haven't seen a pic of Sylvain's OC here yet, so:

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It's... not as bad as that bearded pony in FV, at least. I think a light color or two would have really helped though - these colors do not mesh well together. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:39 am

I wasn't too impressed with Stellar Eclipse's colors when I first saw him on my TV, but now that I'm seeing him in proper color (I've been watching on a shitty old CRT television) I think he's okay. A generally dark color scheme like that is definitely different, but I think the colors go together well.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:44 am

I like his design. The colors are alright and they don't clash. At least to me.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:47 am

I also wanted to note that they're going out of their way to do interesting things with wings this time out—perhaps in general this season. There's a shot early on that raised my eyebrows, a close-up of Fluttershy pulling the bear whistle out from under her wing. We haven't seen such an explicit use of under-the-wing as a place to carry things since, like, Winter Wrap Up (though Testing123 did it too) —and this is the first time they trucked the camera in so close to make such a big deal of it.

Then there's Rainbow Dash flittering away from that one booth on her wingtips, Twilight using her wings to hide her face, Twilight doing wing gestures to punctuate her princessy stuff at the end—it's all over the place.

I often feel like one of the obvious pitfalls to watch out for with the show is for it to gradually stop acknowledging its premise in the animation—to stop doing horse noises and hind-leg gestures, to use hoofhands everywhere, and to dispense with all that unique body language that's so peculiar to Pony, with wings being used for emoting, pegasi hovering versus standing on the ground with wings folded, all those things. It feels like any show being held to typical standards would have fallen way off the wagon by this point—would be deep into the "lost track of the recipe for the secret sauce" zone. But this episode had a shot right toward the beginning of Applejack picking up the harness for her cart of trade goods and strapping it on herself. If that isn't a loud-and-clear statement of purpose and reaffirmation that there's no such danger in this show at this juncture, I don't know what would be.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:50 am

Wayoshi wrote:It's... not as bad as that bearded pony in FV, at least. I think a light color or two would have really helped though - these colors do not mesh well together.

I think he looks great, and I'd love to see more ponies in the show that look like this. In a darker, more earth-like place, he'd fit right in. Heck, if you look at Daring Don't and fast-forward to the temple scene, everyone fits in except the Mane 6. Everyone's all warm earthy colors. Lots of deep reds, oranges, darker yellows. It doesn't necessarily fit the show's usual theme, but it fits the environment, and most of the time the character Sylvian voiced (It's not fair to say it's his OC (and then get heaped with all the negative connotation this place inevitably puts on all OC designs, regardless of merit) until it's confirmed that's exactly the OC he wanted designed) was in a darkish area or in front of a darkish background for most of the episode. The only time he really stuck out was when he was waiting in line for a burger, and by then we knew what he looked like.

He looks better than Star Hunter from Hurricane Fluttershy.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:55 am

Star Hunter is awesome. :rainbert:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:56 am

You're right about the OC context, I keep forgetting it was named. Stellar Eclipse it is.

But Star Hunter or whatever has amazing colors. :rainbert: :v:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:56 am

For what it's worth I really liked the design of his wheelchair thingy. It's built for a quadruped, it's practical, and it's steampunk-stylish. It's what a pony wheelchair should look like.

And on top of all that, it didn't demand attention drawn to itself. It looked to me like "just another way for a pony to get around, perhaps under certain unusual circumstances". It felt like a natural and obvious extension of the universe.

Take that, Read It And Weep/Rainbow Falls. :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:04 am

Headless Horse wrote:Take that, Read It And Weep/Rainbow Falls. :-I

I thought about that earlier and I came to the conclusion that a more traditional wheelchair probably is better for temporary use (for example, when wheeling someone out of a hospital). For a pony whose back legs don't work at all, I can see why he'd have something more like this. Though, now that I think about it, he'd fall flat on his face if he ever raised both his forelegs at once.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:08 am

You know what? It's episodes like these that really put into perspective just how indescribably special this show is in my eyes.

I mean, a huge portion of the episode's story involved the exceptionally cliché "Person wants X, but the owner of X wants Y, and the owner of Y wants Z, etc" thing. That concept has been done to death. I can't even count the number of times I've seen a cartoon revolving around that general idea. Now, I'm admittedly pretty easily entertained; even if a cliché plotline comes around in a TV show, I'm usually relatively satisfied. At the very least, I'll be happy enough with 20-ish minutes of entertaining escapism. :pinkieshrug:

But here? This episode made me smile, laugh, and grin almost entirely throughout. I even felt some heartstrings twinging toward the end. I thoroughly enjoyed the 22 minutes I spent, recycled storyline be damned! It's still Saturday, and I've seen the episode thrice. I actively set out to re-watch the same episode I'd seen only hours before. And then I did it all over again. Honesty, I can't envision myself doing that with any other show. But here? I was more than happy to do it! :allears:

And why? At it's core, today's episode revolved around what many would consider to be an overdone concept. So why was I so tickled to see it over and over again? Was it the specific execution of the writing? The directing? The character interactions and dialogue? The animation and visuals? The voice acting? The background music? It was probably all of those things taken together. But when you get right down to it, this episode was enjoyable - at least for me - in a way that comparable episodes of other programs simply aren't. And that goes double for this Season and this entire show too.

It's kind of frustrating that I can't put it properly into the right words. But today's pony outing served as a great reminder that this show has a special something about it that makes it so astoundingly wonderful. Like, seriously - wow! :ponydrugs:
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Postby Dilbert As Fuck (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:10 am

Good moments but don't think it desireved an episode; the background animations and ongoing story was good.

But honestly it just felt like Shipping: The Episode
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:22 am

Dilbert As Fuck wrote:But honestly it just felt like Shipping: The Episode

How so? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought that shipping was (generally) based on romantic interests and pursuits. "Good friends hanging out and getting into mischief with each other" seems like a pretty non-romantic, non-shippy scenario. Especially for a show that tends to treat friendship like something of a big deal. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Dilbert As Fuck (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:26 am

TheNegaverser wrote:How so? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought that shipping was (generally) based on romantic interests and pursuits. "Good friends hanging out and getting into mischief with each other" seems like a pretty non-romantic, non-shippy scenario. Especially for a show that tends to treat friendship like something of a big deal. :pinkieshrug:



RariJack and FlutterDash pairing up, just seemed really odd. Then again I may be spending too much time one MLP:G again so who knows; that and the fact mlpg is no longer on /co/ so yeah probably just me paying attention to the fandom. Pulling the eject button after bronycon and I can't wait.

But wow I hate shipping.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:30 am

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Good thing you're in the insane world of Equestria, R.D., or it would have been gg for you indeed.

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Discord gawks at thee...

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That CE snowglobe is available right at the train station (JFS Act III). What a terrible trade that would have been. :v:

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ConstipatedPie.png anyone

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Obligatory cute Fluts :allears: pic of the week

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So this nerd finally accepts as time runs out... waffling all day on this one trade, these two. :-I

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Solid B+ episode.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:34 am

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Can we call this a callback to Fluttershy carrying Rainbow Dash in "May the Best Pet Win"?

Dilbert As Fuck wrote:

RariJack and FlutterDash pairing up, just seemed really odd. Then again I may be spending too much time one MLP:G again so who knows; that and the fact mlpg is no longer on /co/ so yeah probably just me paying attention to the fandom. Pulling the eject button after bronycon and I can't wait.

But wow I hate shipping.


Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy make up what is arguably the shows strongest friendship between any of the Mane 6, so there was nothing odd about them hanging out again. Rarity and AJ have two little sisters who are best friends so them interacting is also not out of the ordinary at all.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:42 am

The Doctor wrote:
Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy make up what is arguably the shows strongest friendship between any of the Mane 6, so there was nothing odd about them hanging out again. Rarity and AJ have two little sisters who are best friends so them interacting is also not out of the ordinary at all.


All of the Mane 6 are friends. It's not really weird for any of them to be hanging out :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:45 am

Just because they get paired off for a story doesn't mean they're being shipped with each other. Rarity is the only one of the Mane Six to be shown as interested in romance, and episodes like Simple Ways have made it quite clear where her tastes lie. Everything here was friends being friends.
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Postby @Zebra_ebooks (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:46 am

This episode is not about shipping. If you see it as shipping, then it's your own problem. Please drop the talk about shipping, tia.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:47 am

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Oooooh, nice move there, animators. "How do we depict ON BREAK without using readable text?" :rariwhat: "Show the sign from the back!" :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:49 am

Headless Horse wrote:
Oooooh, nice move there, animators. "How do we depict ON BREAK without using readable text?" :rariwhat: "Show the sign from the back!" :v:

I was actually kind of put off by that. With the way Rainbow Dash read it out, it felt like one of those cases where the writer did too much telling and not enough showing. Ponies have been shown using clear English text before, so it wouldn't have been that bad if that had happened here.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:51 am

Yeah, I'm being kindasorta sarcastic. I mean, "on break" wouldn't be the hardest Pictionary round ever invented. :-P Just draw a little doodle of Rainbow Dash on a cloud :effort:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:51 am

Didn't Hasbro mandate that no English text is visible on the show for the sake of easy translating in foreign languages? Few do slip past, like the silent movie subtitles in MMMystery, as well as "Welcome Princess Celest" all the way back in season 1, but generally the designers are not allowed to show any text, period.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:55 am

I just realized that if that Bob's Burgers episode had aired after this one, we'd all be saying they had to have been written in collaboration or something.

"Hey, that guy swindled Tina out of her toy pony! Someone get Princess Twilight to arbitrate!" :flail:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:57 am

Headless Horse wrote:I just realized that if that Bob's Burgers episode had aired after this one, we'd all be saying they had to have been written in collaboration or something.

"Hey, that guy swindled Tina out of her toy pony! Someone get Princess Twilight to arbitrate!" :flail:

Would it be bad if I say that I want Pony to do a parody of Bob's Burgers as a "take that" to the Equesticles episode in season 5 (or 6, depending on how far ahead they are with the scripts)? :v:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:58 am

From the horse's mouth re: Antique Chicken pony:

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:04 am

Wylie wrote:From the horse's mouth re: Antique Chicken pony:

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Postby Pocket (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:38 am

Cool. Now I just have to figure out who Charles Nelson Reilly is, aside from the subject of a Weird Al song.

Wayoshi wrote:If Discord wasn't mentioned, I would say that he would be Sylvain's favorite character.

That might still be the case; if they had time to get him into the recording booth, they probably could have had Ashleigh Ball stick around after whatever season five episode they were recording that day and redo Dash's lines as well. We won't know until the full story breaks, which hopefully will be soon.

Headless Horse wrote:For what it's worth I really liked the design of his wheelchair thingy. It's built for a quadruped, it's practical, and it's steampunk-stylish. It's what a pony wheelchair should look like.

It should; it's based on what they use for dogs who have lost the use of their back legs. I'm sure there's a proper veterinary term for them, and I've been trying to figure out what it is, but my Google-fu is weak.

Headless Horse wrote:I just realized that if that Bob's Burgers episode had aired after this one, we'd all be saying they had to have been written in collaboration or something.

"Hey, that guy swindled Tina out of her toy pony! Someone get Princess Twilight to arbitrate!" :flail:

I've been waiting for someone else to notice the similarity. Honestly, I expected it would come during the pre-episode discussion.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:55 am

Headless Horse wrote:Oh, to add to the callback list: Power Ponies :-P


The best way to make sure a comic is never opened again.

Trade it near-mint to a collector. :)
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:16 am

I think it's great that Fluttershy does the gluing and looks immaculate, while Rainbow somehow manages to fly through a hurricane of tape and glue.

Pocket wrote:Cool. Now I just have to figure out who Charles Nelson Reilly is, aside from the subject of a Weird Al song.

He was a comedian/actor in the '50s-'70s, with roles on TV sitcoms and cartoon voices until he passed away in 2007. He acted on stage (and won a Tony and another nomination!), but he's probably more known for his appearances on TV, particularly on shows like Match Game. People of our age might remember him as Killer in All Dogs Go To Heaven.


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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:40 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I have to say, I definitely sympathized with Twilight at the end there. I also have a good number of books that I keep around entirely for sentimental reasons. And some aren't even actual literature; hell, one's a textbook from 7th grade.


I'm the same way, and a while ago in a flurry of panic at having to clear out my room for electricians to get in there and fuck around with the wiring, I threw a bunch of that kind of stuff out. I regret that to this day.

I also want to re-emphasize how much I loved the way this episode tied up, again, especially with RD and Fluts' story arc. At first I was like "come on Rainbow what the fuck are you doing" when she sold Fluttershy away but it was pretty evident that she didn't realize what she was doing at all at the time. I also don't like the accusations of Fluttershy being too much of a "pushover" in this episode, as it suggests her actions were done out of fear of being yelled at or something than out of genuine friendship, which was the whole damn point.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:51 am

Huh...neat to see that pony was based off of Charles Nelson Reilly. If he was still alive, he probably would have done the voice himself as he did animation all the time. He was The Dirty Bubble from Spongebob amongst other roles.
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:07 am

I woke up at 6 AM today!.... to go to a zoo. When is seriously the last time I watched pony with the stream? :cry:

This wasn't as spectacular as before, but it did its job. Pinkie annoyed me once again which is absolutely sad since she was a favorite of mine. :fluttersmith: I mean, if T-Sparx was willing to trade for it, then who cares? A kid wanted to read them books. :books:

It got a little too wacky for my tastes at some parts like when that last vendor coincidentally wanted a rusty horseshoe. RD and Fluts hopping in on the burger wagon was also :rariwhat: (and plus those ponies didn't pay!) I was hoping for a lesson like "you don't always get what you want". Maybe next time, then. I had some fun and I enjoyed the interactions in the background. ponies/ponies
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:10 am

Stuff wrote:
It got a little too wacky for my tastes at some parts like when that last vendor coincidentally wanted a rusty horseshoe. I was hoping for a lesson like "you don't always get what you want". Whatever.


It still kind of was though, wasn't it? Neither Applejack nor Rarity got the original items that they had in mind, nor did Rainbow get the super-special collector's edition that she vied for.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:39 am

Really, the winner of "who got the best trade" was probably Fluttershy, who scored a sweet bird call.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:54 am

Wylie wrote:Really, the winner of "who got the best trade" was probably Fluttershy, who scored a sweet bird call.


And she was far and away the one who sacrificed the most in the episode before that, too, so that only made sense. Quite a karma trip, really.
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