S06E04: On Your Marks

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Re: S06E04: On Your Marks

Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:48 pm

The Doctor wrote:OK episode. I liked the ending a lot, but Applebloom was made really, really stupid to get there. She's done plenty of stuff without the other 2 before. They even say right in the episode that she enjoys making potions.

I think the point they were trying to make was that Applebloom needs the company of other ponies her own age. Yes, she could go hang out at the library or with Zecora, but that's not a very active social life. She equates that with CMCing because that's how she's spent her whole adolescence.

She really must have been in a deep funk, though, to have a boy her age basically shout, "I sure wish SOMEONE could help me GET MY CUTIE MARK!" and ignore him.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:54 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:She really must have been in a deep funk, though, to have a boy her age basically shout, "I sure wish SOMEONE could help me GET MY CUTIE MARK!" and ignore him.

She's been abandoned by her past friends before (see Twist). Here I think she was afraid that would happen again.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:00 pm

I was a little surprised that Twist didn't even get a cameo here. "Find something I can do without my two friends? Didn't I have another friend one time...?"
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:01 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I was a little surprised that Twist didn't even get a cameo here. "Find something I can do without my two friends? Didn't I have another friend one time...?"


She was in the kitchen scene cooking with another pony.

Fizzbuzz wrote:She's been abandoned by her past friends before (see Twist). Here I think she was afraid that would happen again.


Image SHE abandoned Twist. Not the other way round.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:04 pm

Here's the episode link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x43ayph

The Doctor wrote:Image SHE abandoned Twist. Not the other way round.

Well, now that the issue of for/from Moondancer has been settled, we need another thing to argue about... :smirk:

But for real though, I'd like to see that addressed again someday. Apple Bloom and Twist obviously used to be friends, so if Apple Bloom is finally figuring out that different interests don't have to drive you and others apart, I think she ought to at least talk to Twist again.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:12 pm

That was cute. The CMC are at their best when they're just being themselves and not worrying about cutie marks and stuff like that, so hopefully we'll get more slice of life now that this is out of the way :-P
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:20 pm

The episode is still sinking in for me, but yeah, that was cute. :3:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:50 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:But for real though, I'd like to see that addressed again someday. Apple Bloom and Twist obviously used to be friends, so if Apple Bloom is finally figuring out that different interests don't have to drive you and others apart, I think she ought to at least talk to Twist again.

From what I've heard (from a Bronies React video that had both Michelle and Claire in it), the voice actor who played Twist moved away from the Vancouver studio to Pennsylvania and doesn't/can't voice for the show anymore.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:57 pm

This episode was a little dull to me, but I'm glad they set up future CMC solo episodes.

I can't wait for a solo Scootaloo ep :scootawoo:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:04 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:From what I've heard (from a Bronies React video that had both Michelle and Claire in it), the voice actor who played Twist moved away from the Vancouver studio to Pennsylvania and doesn't/can't voice for the show anymore.

Oh, that's a pity. I'd heard that a couple times before but I wasn't sure if that was actually true or if it was a joke born from how Twist's voice seems to be widely disliked around our fandom. I suppose she could be recast, as Flutterguy was between Bridle Gossip and Filli Vanilli, but perhaps she's just not important enough to be worth finding another actress who can play her.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:19 pm

I think what I found interesting is that, in this case, the colt knew what his special talent is. He even says so that he has an idea on why his cutie mark would be like. However, because he was so shy, he didn't have the push needed to actually do something that would earn him a mark until Apple Bloom and co. gave him the encouragement.

All in all, a decent episode. And yes, this is the first time that none of the mane six appeared (Sweetie Belle mentioned Rarity, but that's it)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:25 pm

Mr. Big wrote:I think what I found interesting is that, in this case, the colt knew what his special talent is. He even says so that he has an idea on why his cutie mark would be like. However, because he was so shy, he didn't have the push needed to actually do something that would earn him a mark until Apple Bloom and co. gave him the encouragement.

That's something we saw a bit of back in The Show Stoppers, too. Apple Bloom and Scootaloo both thought Sweetie Belle was a great singer, but she didn't think she was good enough to sing in front of a crowd.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:26 pm

It was cute. Can't really say it was anything more than a pleasant way to spend 22 minutes though.

I did keep revoicing Sweetie Belle as Thrackerzod from Mentally Advanced though. ( Not Scootaloo because that reinterpretation scares on many many levels.)
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Here's an all-in-one-post today.

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You said what now?

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DT & SS making other friends now :sweetielarm:

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Even Pinkie is X'd out? :-P

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:gah: : I done fucked up.

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New ponies and old. Guess Vinyl doesn't care about tap dancing. :-P

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:sweetielarm: : This is fine.

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Here's one of the more interesting background ponies I've seen.

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Took me a moment to remember bottom-right pony. Was in the Smile song more than 4 years ago now.

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:gah: : Just between you mean, Tender Taps is a bit... yeah.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:56 pm

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Even Pinkie is X'd out? :-P

I spy Fluttershy, Applejack, Rarity, and Spike in there as well.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:45 pm

Damn, that was good!

It had the feeling of a "writer's block fourth wall break" to me, kind of like Lesson Zero way back when. Like, "Shit, we've always written CMC episodes with a certain given premise; now what do we do now that that premise is gone?" "I know! Let's have the CMCs themselves react to the loss of that premise in completely different (but in-character) ways!"

And they did it by bringing up some fairly thorny actual friendship issues—touching on the idea (that we've long speculated about the show tackling) of growing apart—and introducing some good new characters.

Kids who have grown up with this show will have experienced what it's like to no longer be a "unit" with their own friends due to one thing and another, and that's an experience that can fuck you up if you let it. Apple Bloom's craziness here is a bit over the top (Applejack was crossed out too! :sweetielarm: ), but it actually rings pretty true if you remember that happening to you once upon a time.

I really liked her song too. It gave me some of the old sniffles.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:08 pm

What I'd like to know now is the makeup of FiM's audience overall. I've always thought it was aimed at kids 6-12 years old, but has that changed? The show and its characters have definitely matured between S1 and now. I feel like the show's main audience has gotten older, too, but I can't be sure. If the show really is being written for the sake of those kids who are growing up alongside it then that's a brilliant way of keeping it and its characters (esp. the CMC, as we saw today) fresh as time goes on.

Basically, I'm not sure if the show's shift in tone is intentionally aimed at a loyal base that is growing into adolescence or if it's just a fortunate consequence of the show's staff making new and different stories for it.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:09 pm

So far, 100% of the ponies with dreds, have been green.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:19 pm

Also, I want to take a moment to admire the art. Here's Zecora's house as we saw it today:
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I watched Bridle Gossip again last night as part of the S1 rewatch series in the Pasture. As such, that establishing shot seriously stood out to me, because here's how Zecora's house appeared when we first saw it way back then:
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It's honestly starting to get hard to believe that these are from the same show. :wowzers:
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Postby Swift (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:20 pm

Awww, that was a really sweet episode. :allears: I really liked it! I was curious how they'd handle the post-Cutie Mark CMC, and I think they did a great job here.

This was a great follow up to Crusaders of the Lost Mark, which I enjoyed but had some mixed feelings about due to how much it focused on the CMC as a single unit rather than individual characters (as well as the insertion of Diamond Tiara's mom, who'd never been seen before, as the cause of DT's behavior feeling rather cheap). It's really nice that they're addressing their individuality head-on like this, and makes me feel better about CotLM in retrospect.

And the song was very nice, too! :ohboy: I didn't even think about the "inconsistency" of Applebloom's singing proficiency until checking here. :lol:

Interesting that AB looked over at Diamond Tiara and Silverspoon but didn't try to hang out with them. I'm curious how they'll handle their characters in the future, and hope we see more of them.

Oh yeah, and this was very much Apple Bloom's "Party of One". :hithere: Definitely got that vibe when Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo walked in. :v:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:30 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Also, I want to take a moment to admire the art. Here's Zecora's house as we saw it today:
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I watched Bridle Gossip again last night as part of the S1 rewatch series in the Pasture. As such, that establishing shot seriously stood out to me, because here's how Zecora's house appeared when we first saw it way back then:
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It's honestly starting to get hard to believe that these are from the same show. :wowzers:


Lol @ the photoshop gradient fills they used to do :v:

Still, the old style had its own beauty to it. There's something really evocative about its simplicity somehow.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:32 pm

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:33 pm

Time to watch the episode and then think thoughts about it! :anticipation:
  • :ohboy: :scootatrue: "Sorry, we were distracted by our butts!"
  • Having the characters say the marks look good doesn't make them look good, show. Your transparent shilling demeans us both.
  • "It's like we're wearin' nothing at all! Nothing at all! Nothing at all!" Stupid sexy cutie marks.
  • Yes, CMC, embrace the ennui of adulthood. Succumb to it. :excellent:
  • AB busting out an AJ-perfect "Ex-actly!"
  • Thought they were giving the blank flank speech to Spike instead of the twins. :lol:
  • They should talk to the like 20% of Ponyvillians who have that hourglass cutie mark.
  • Don't look at us, CMC, we can't help you, we're just the audience.
  • SB and AB falling off their scooters was a great piece of comic timing.
  • Holy smokes, this episode is meta as hell.
  • Oh no, AB's back at square one. The Twist square. :gah:
  • Michelle Creber showing off the pipes.
  • Oh my god, Tree Hugger's a nude model! Wait ...
  • Not sure where this plot is heading yet.
  • Male Scootaloo is kinda creeping me out.
  • It's all too easy for me to imagine Rarity trash-talking crochet.
  • God forgive me, but I love it when cute cartoon ponies go insane.
  • :ohboy: "You don't have to be good at it to have fun!" :v: "Yes you do!"
  • The sun on the stage backdrop has a horsie snout!
  • "Look! Look at my butt!" "Yep, that's a butt all right."
  • And that's the story of how the CMC got a life!
  • Of course it was Tabitha as the dance instructor.

Micro-review: Pretty good!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:35 pm

Swift wrote:Awww, that was a really sweet episode. :allears: I really liked it! I was curious how they'd handle the post-Cutie Mark CMC, and I think they did a great job here.

This was a great follow up to Crusaders of the Lost Mark, which I enjoyed but had some mixed feelings about due to how much it focused on the CMC as a single unit rather than individual characters (as well as the insertion of Diamond Tiara's mom, who'd never been seen before, as the cause of DT's behavior feeling rather cheap). It's really nice that they're addressing their individuality head-on like this, and makes me feel better about CotLM in retrospect.


I want to believe that

:cutealoo: "I mean... it's pretty amazing how the colors just pop off your flank. It's kinda hard to look away!"

is a sly reference to the lukewarm fan reaction to the muted and anticlimactic CMC marks :smirk:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:57 pm

Upon rewatch I actually listened hard to Apple Bloom's song (the first time through I was all like "Horsie whitewater rafting! Tree Hugger! Pies! And Twist! :awesomedash:") and now I get why this was such an emotional thing. Wow. If I weren't in a good mood today then I think I could've shed a tear there.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:59 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:
  • :ohboy: "You don't have to be good at it to have fun!"

I like how they also mentioned the opposite, where just because you're good at something doesn't mean you enjoy doing it and have to keep doing it.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:01 pm

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Postby SneakHorse (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:13 pm

Not a bad episode all around. I'm not nuts about CMC episodes generally, but this was cute and had some effective emotional stuff. I'm glad they actually addressed the whole "we have our Cutie Marks!...now what?" aspect.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:14 pm


In that same vein, someone mentioned this in #ponyday earlier:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:15 pm

I guess I'll be a somewhat dissenting voice this week; I thought that was a bit of a muddled, tonally inconsistent story. Clearly they wanted to tell two stories; "solving friendship problems" and "learning to do things apart from one another", but I felt like neither one got quite as much attention as it needed, nor were they woven together all that well. I thought things took a more interesting turn when the story became about Applebloom not being able to cope on her own, but that didn't last awfully long.

Quite liked AB's song though, and I enjoyed seeing the Crusaders' individual talents (scootering/singing/botany) showing up again.

Will rewatch later on today, might improve the second time round.
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Postby Chronos30 (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:19 pm

There was some new music playing during that montage where they look for blank flanks (among adults?) but in my head I was still hearing the original montage music they played back in season 1 a couple times.

I wonder if they'll ever help an actual adult with a blank flank? They helped that rodeo clown to understand his cutie mark, that was kinda close.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:21 pm

SneakHorse wrote:Not a bad episode all around. I'm not nuts about CMC episodes generally, but this was cute and had some effective emotional stuff. I'm glad they actually addressed the whole "we have our Cutie Marks!...now what?" aspect.

That's true, for a show which has lately focused a lot more on cutie marks (ever since Starlight's appearance, really), it was nice to see an episode de-emphasize them and say "eh, cutie marks are not the magic key to identity or happiness, you still have to discover/decide those for yourself :pinkieshrug: " You have to be a more well-rounded person than just what your special talent is.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:24 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:I guess I'll be a somewhat dissenting voice this week; I thought that was a bit of a muddled, tonally inconsistent story. Clearly they wanted to tell two stories; "solving friendship problems" and "learning to do things apart from one another", but I felt like neither one got quite as much attention as it needed, nor were they woven together all that well. I thought things took a more interesting turn when the story became about Applebloom not being able to cope on her own, but that didn't last awfully long.

When I watched this episode live I saw the first bit of the cold open and then ended up missing the whole first act. The strange thing is, I actually didn't feel lost at all, perhaps because the first act boiled down to them realizing that having a shared destiny of handing out life advice was rather unfulfilling and fruitless. I wonder if my first impression being only of the second and third acts improved my opinion of the episode? I mean, I don't think there was anything wrong with the first act, and I thought the stuff with Bulk Biceps and the Cake twins was funny, but it didn't serve too much purpose other than to set the Crusaders up for pursuing their own interests. For an episode like this I don't really think that's a problem, since this isn't a massively plot-heavy and fast-paced episode, but it is different. Hmm.
Chronos30 wrote:There was some new music playing during that montage where they look for blank flanks (among adults?) but in my head I was still hearing the original montage music they played back in season 1 a couple times.

I wonder if they'll ever help an actual adult with a blank flank? They helped that rodeo clown to understand his cutie mark, that was kinda close.

I don't think they were looking for ponies without their marks quite so much as they were looking for ponies dissatisfied with their lives, as Troubleshoes was when they met him. I imagine that blank flanked adults are exceedingly rare in Equestrian society, to the point where I think it'd have to be a pony who was severely depressed to reach adulthood without thinking that he or she had any sort of special talent at all.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:26 pm

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:cutealoo: "I mean... it's pretty amazing how the colors just pop off your flank. It's kinda hard to look away!"

is a sly reference to the lukewarm fan reaction to the muted and anticlimactic CMC marks :smirk:

Though according to Jim they were already storyboarding season 6 midway through season 5's animation. And considering CotLM was in the second half of season 5 and this is one of the first season 6 episodes, CotLM was even done with before they put in those lines about them admiring their cutie marks.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:29 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:When I watched this episode live I saw the first bit of the cold open and then ended up missing the whole first act. The strange thing is, I actually didn't feel lost at all, perhaps because the first act boiled down to them realizing that having a shared destiny of handing out life advice was rather unfulfilling and fruitless. I wonder if my first impression being only of the second and third acts improved my opinion of the episode? I mean, I don't think there was anything wrong with the first act, and I thought the stuff with Bulk Biceps and the Cake twins was funny, but it didn't serve too much purpose other than to set the Crusaders up for pursuing their own interests. For an episode like this I don't really think that's a problem, since this isn't a massively plot-heavy and fast-paced episode, but it is different. Hmm.


You might not be wrong on that. The start of the episode is pretty arbitrary stuff that mostly just repeats things we already know, and additionally it's a lot more broad comedy than the rest of the story is. I can see why dropping those scenes might result in something more consistent and focussed.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:44 pm

I liked this episode. I knew it was going to be good. I'm glad that everyone else here agrees that it is good as well. Now I am confident that I liked it as well.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:48 pm

Marimo wrote:Though according to Jim they were already storyboarding season 6 midway through season 5's animation. And considering CotLM was in the second half of season 5 and this is one of the first season 6 episodes, CotLM was even done with before they put in those lines about them admiring their cutie marks.

Maybe the show's staff weren't terribly thrilled about the final designs of the cutie marks, either. I imagine that passing the mark designs around a bunch of Hasbro suits must've taken quite some time before Crusaders of the Lost Mark began animation.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:51 pm

Chronos30 wrote:There was some new music playing during that montage where they look for blank flanks (among adults?) but in my head I was still hearing the original montage music they played back in season 1 a couple times.

That original montage music is still my ringtone.

I also made a blues version of it a while back :smirk:

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