S05E25-26: The Cutie Re-Mark

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S05E25-26: The Cutie Re-Mark

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:18 pm

Starlight Glimmer, hoping to obtain revenge against the Mane 6, acquires a spell that could change the past, present and future of Equestria forever.

Princess Twilight and her friends continue to fight against Starlight's attempts to alter the past, but they fear that their efforts may be in vain.


This thread is for discussion of these episodes. The two-parter airs at 11:00 AM Eastern / 8:00 AM Pacific on Saturday, November 28!

Official preview clips and images are okay to post (including an animatic and a preview already), as is speculation about the episode.



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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:26 pm

Dammit Bill Cipher, is there any dimension you won't screw up? :applejargh:



e: Holy smokes, what if Starlight messes with the opening credits :flutterdear:
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:37 pm

This is not the way I expected Starlight Glimmer to return. :starity:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:12 pm

Finally. I have been waiting for months to see Starlight come back again to face Twilight. :yay:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:29 pm

I do not have high hopes for this episode. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:54 pm

The Doctor wrote:I do not have high hopes for this episode. :pinkieshrug:

What in particular concerns you?
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:59 pm

:-/ Starlight Glimmer, Starlight Glimmer, beware that evil stare

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:46 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:What in particular concerns you?


Time Travel is difficult to do well, and I'm not a fan of brining Starlight Glimmer back as some super-threat with the power of time travel. I mean are time spells just lying around for anyone to find ? One Twilight used was locked away in a restricted wing in the Canterlot Library, and established nice, stable time loops. Not changing the future stuff.

And Celestia appears in the teaser, so most likely going to have to see yet another quick defeat for her.
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Postby UnintelGen (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:55 pm

I was just reading some TvTropes articles 'bout the show, ...cause I was bored, and I just happened upon this little nugget:

Hidden as it refers to the SDCC clip.

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Huh, turns out they did have an arc for this season, it was right under our noses! :v: Also, man, Starlight sure did pick the right days for stalking.

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Time Travel is difficult to do well, and I'm not a fan of brining Starlight Glimmer back as some super-threat with the power of time travel. I mean are time spells just lying around for anyone to find ? One Twilight used was locked away in a restricted wing in the Canterlot Library, and established nice, stable time loops. Not changing the future stuff.

And Celestia appears in the teaser, so most likely going to have to see yet another quick defeat for her.


Twilight was able to change the past without time travel so anything goes as far as I'm concerned (Though I'm assuming you didn't care for that either)
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:01 pm

UnintelGen wrote:I was just reading some TvTropes articles 'bout the show, ...cause I was bored, and I just happened upon this little nugget:

Hidden as it refers to the SDCC clip.

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Huh, turns out they did have an arc for this season, it was right under our noses! :v: Also, man, Starlight sure did pick the right days for stalking.



Twilight was able to change the past without time travel so anything goes as far as I'm concerned (Though I'm assuming you didn't care for that either)


I am drawing a blank. When has Twilight changed the past? Thought the only use of time travel in the series was in "it's about time", and the Two Sisters Journal where Starswirl can go to the Future.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:05 pm

I think this two-parter sounds great, but yeah: there's probably no timeline in which Celestia doesn't get chumped, yet again. :equestria:
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Postby UnintelGen (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:10 pm

The Doctor wrote:
I am drawing a blank. When has Twilight changed the past? Thought the only use of time travel in the show was in "it's about time", and the Two Sisters Journal where Starswirl can go to the Future.


I should clarify. I am talking about Magical Mystery Cure- Which I thought would more or less be the only way that statement could be taken. I consider it to be "past changing" as beyond the memories of the other 5. The entire town if not all of Equestria seems to think it to be the reality they live in. It's not changing the past, necessarily, but it's good enough for me. To be fair though they leave a lot of answers unclear, which is probably for the best.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:19 pm

UnintelGen wrote:
I should clarify. I am talking about Magical Mystery Cure- Which I thought would more or less be the only way that statement could be taken. I consider it to be "past changing" as beyond the memories of the other 5. The entire town if not all of Equestria seems to think it to be the reality they live in. It's not changing the past, necessarily, but it's good enough for me. To be fair though they leave a lot of answers unclear, which is probably for the best.


Gotcha. It was unclear, but I always saw it as something that only affected the present. Like the five got up that morning and went to the others job. Carousel Boutique looks the same, so Rarity still designed it. Same with Fluttershy's cabin. And the townspeople seemed that know that Pinkie is the party pony, not Fluttershy.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:36 pm

I get the feeling that what'll happen is that Starlight Glimmer merely stops Twilight Sparkle from going to Ponyville, or from defeating Nightmare Moon, or similar. She doesn't necessarily have to be a big bad superpowered villain to do that. I mean, sure, she needs to be able to perform time travel, but Twilight's done that before, so I guess Starlight could manage it as well.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:42 pm

The Doctor wrote:I mean are time spells just lying around for anyone to find ? One Twilight used was locked away in a restricted wing in the Canterlot Library, and established nice, stable time loops. Not changing the future stuff.

The Journal of the Two Sisters seemed to indicate that Starswirl's time travel spell went through different iterations. One version of it had the pony travel back and forward through time, but also had them grow younger. Its possible other versions of the spell could be found.

For It's About Time, several things. The Starswirl section was only said to be the most secured. I don't think it was ever considered restricted, and the sleep deprivation was clearly making her overreact. Even if Starlight wouldn't normally be allowed in, she probably has the magical ability to get past the guards and into the wing (she already has shown great ability to gather information without being noticed). Finally, Twilight, Spike, and Pinkie didn't do a thorough search, they did a quick scan for a time-stopping spell, and Pinkie just happened to find one spell that lets you travel through time. That only indicated it was the first time traveling spell she found, not that it was the only one available in the wing.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:29 pm

The Doctor wrote:Time Travel is difficult to do well, and I'm not a fan of brining Starlight Glimmer back as some super-threat with the power of time travel. I mean are time spells just lying around for anyone to find ?

She has cutie mark changing magic, so it is feasible to say she's powerful enough to do time travel.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:44 pm

Wayoshi wrote:She has cutie mark changing magic, so it is feasible to say she's powerful enough to do time travel.

That's what I was thinking. She's not some sort of literal centaur demon who escaped from hell or anything, but she is very good at magic. Perhaps she's what Twilight could've been, had Twilight made all the wrong choices in life.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:12 pm

Saturday is my birthday :allears:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:03 am

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I think we're going to see a whole new level of evil in this finale.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:12 am

:ponder: If it fell into Equality, wouldn't all the houses look alike?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:23 am

I get the feeling that's a Photoshopped version of a shot of another episode, still gets the point across though.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:24 am

Wayoshi wrote:I get the feeling that's a Photoshopped version of a shot of another episode, still gets the point across though.


I don't know. The town looks far more populated than normal. Lot of houses in the background.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:14 am

Eh, that seems about similar to other S5 establishing shots of Ponyville, though I admit I am going off the top of my head on that one.

What is a notable difference is the omission of Twilight's big castle. :smirk:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:30 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:
What is a notable difference is the omission of Twilight's big castle. :smirk:


So Starlight is the hero and is fixing things? :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:54 am

Come to think of it, I guess the Twilight in this timeline won't be an alicorn either.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:57 am

Hey, maybe the library is still standing in this timeline and Twilight can grab a seed while she's there!
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:09 am

That would be awesome. :excite:
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Postby Marimo (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:21 am

The Doctor wrote:
I don't know. The town looks far more populated than normal. Lot of houses in the background.

That's actually the same shot of Ponyville shown in the intro, where we get a wide shot of it before zooming in on Twilight landing in Ponyville.

But for some reason Canterlot and the other mountains are completely removed from the background.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:23 am

I'm still mad at Discovery Family for choosing to air this over Thanksgiving weekend rather than waiting an extra week. :argh:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:26 pm

The Doctor wrote:
Time Travel is difficult to do well,


Yeah that's a bit of a concern for me as well, hopefully it turns out ok.


What happpens to Starlight at the end could be a status-quo changing thing.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:58 pm

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Another Facebook image, presumably this is from when they get sent back.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:12 pm

Alternatively, the may be getting back to the present the long way via having to wait it out through crystal suspended animation.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:22 pm

:-/ "Uggghhh, I hate being sent to the Phantom Zone, it's so flat! Spike, you got any reading material?"
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:41 pm

Image Twilight, I have to...

Image You should have thought of that before Starlight Glimmer sent us back in time.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:48 pm

So the premise is "imagine if Stalin HAD ACCESS TO A TIME MACHINE" :flail:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:02 am

Headless Horse wrote:So the premise is "imagine if Stalin HAD ACCESS TO A TIME MACHINE" :flail:


When you put it like that, this does feel oddly familiar :v:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:16 pm

Starlight's going to be the new Discord :gotcha:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:01 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:What is a notable difference is the omission of Twilight's big castle. :smirk:

I think the castle's in a different direction. It's usually in front of a waterfall.

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:11 pm

Wayoshi wrote:She has cutie mark changing magic, so it is feasible to say she's powerful enough to do time travel.

She probably bought it at the same shop where Trixie got her necklace. Equestria really needs to regulate this stuff better.



My prediction for how this all resolves, based on absolutely nothing: Adult Starlight is irredeemable, but the CMC go back further and teach Filly Starlight the true, good purpose of her special talent. Starlight grows up nice and all the bad stuff never happens.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:37 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:My prediction for how this all resolves, based on absolutely nothing: Adult Starlight is irredeemable, but the CMC go back further and teach Filly Starlight the true, good purpose of her special talent. Starlight grows up nice and all the bad stuff never happens.


Or maybe Twi and Starlight have a 10 minute DBZ fighting scene, whatever works.
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