S04E24: Equestria Games

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Re: S04E24: Equestria Games

Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 5:15 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:So, do any of you suppose we'll see Harshwhinny again?


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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:02 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:
Image Whenever there is a contest to be officiated ... I'll be there.

Image Whenever you need a doddering middle aged pony to scold a dragon ... I'll be there.

Image Whenever a character of unflappable demeanor is required (because I'm an earth pony) to stand up for THE RULES, I shall be there!


Not to mention letting the air out of overblown egos...
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 3:11 pm

Harshwhinny in the Grapes of Wrath? I can see it. :v:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu May 08, 2014 5:34 pm

:pcstare: Ms. Harshwhinny, since you did an exemplary job running the Equestria Games, I think you're ready for a different task. I'm assigning you to Ponyville to become thier Director Of Sport and Athletics.

:thatsright: Awesome! That means we'll be hanging out every single day!

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:pcstare: Of course, there is always the position of Lunar Sports and Athletic Director.

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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 2:37 pm

I recently rewatched The Office UK because the entire series is only like 10 hours and it's one of my favorite things ever, and ran across this quote in the Onion AV Club review:

And what I would say to this is that Brent isn’t likable so much as he is someone I can understand, someone I’ve been at multiple points in my life. He always misreads the social situation. He’s desperate for acceptance but rarely aware that others find him horrifying. In short, he’s deluded about just about everything, and because he can never succeed, he ironically becomes a more empathetic character than just about anyone on the show, no matter how much awful stuff he does.

I’d never want to work for David Brent, and I’d never want to count him as a friend, but I’ve had more than enough times when I’ve been David Brent, and I never, ever want to repeat those times again. And that’s the essence of cringe humor, the engine that drives this show, comedically: the idea that there’s nothing funnier than being forced to relive your own worst moments via others who go through greatly heightened versions of them.


That really nailed why Spike singing the anthem was so funny to me. Not because I wanted to laugh at Spike, but because it made me go "dude, I have so been there."

And those quotes about The Office can apply equally well to this show, I think. It's about how deeply flawed the characters are, and how important that is if you want to make cartoon unicorns into relatable people.

Rarity can be pretty awful sometimes, but it's the kind of awfulness that a real person lets out on a bad day. Like David Brent in The Office, it's exaggerated but it's not so broad it becomes cartoonishly alien. It's "there but for the grace of god go I."
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 6:39 pm

Finally got a chance to watch this. It was a truly beautiful episode, and perfect climax to a character's long, long journey of being constantly cast under the scrutinizing eyes of strangers, the summit of a of a grueling, slow-paced path which started with not even being able to function in the presence of one new pony to being able to perform in a field they struggle with in front of a stadium of thousands. This is the culmination of every lesson, every trial, and yes, every failure that they've encountered for four years.



And Spike was there too.


For real though, the anthem scene was one of the best scenes in this entire series. The rest of the episode was okay.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 11:28 pm

Wayoshi wrote:(Spike's stupidity with the mind thing).


This would fly in the real world.

But this is Equestria, where pegasi fly, dragons breathe fire, and unicorns do magic. Spike is also the only dragon around, and barring that bit in Dragon Quest, hasn't interacted with other dragons.

From his perspective, dragons gaining pyrokinesis is an actually not-unreasonable theory, especially when one is trying to light a fire and then it inexplicably ignites.

In the real world? Yea, that'd be a rather silly thing to believe. But in Equestria?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:28 am

Yes, even in Equestria. Look at the reactions
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:34 am

Again, he's the only dragon around, and Equestrian civilization knows incredibly little about dragons. Neither those ponies nor Spike had any idea what to believe there, but Spike definitely knew more about himself than any of them do, so he's in the best position to make such a call.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:54 am

So just because he's a dragon, it might be plausible to believe what he did?

The teenage dragons from DQ are laughing right now. Enough contrived excuses. :-/
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 6:14 am

Wayoshi wrote:So just because he's a dragon, it might be plausible to believe what he did?

If your imagination regarding dragons isn't completely boring, than yes. :-P
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 10:06 am

Wayoshi wrote:So just because he's a dragon, it might be plausible to believe what he did?

The teenage dragons from DQ are laughing right now. Enough contrived excuses. :-/

Well, of course they would be laughing, as it is stupid. I'm just saying that I don't think it's unreasonable for Spike to act stupid in this regard.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:58 pm

Wayoshi wrote:So just because he's a dragon, it might be plausible to believe what he did?

The teenage dragons from DQ are laughing right now. Enough contrived excuses. :-/


Yes? He barely hung out with them, he's around the Elements of Harmony all the time, and the whole 'Ponies were facehoofing' means nothing because Ponies as a group tend to act, well, dumb. Just look at Bridle Gossip.
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Postby Skipper (?) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:27 am

And Twilight had already told them that she had lit the torch; they knew for a fact that it hadn't been Spike. That knowledge might explain the facehoofing.

Like, "look what you made Spike believe," rather than "Silly Spike, pyrokinesis isn't real."
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:48 pm

The word "pyrokinesis" has always seemed wrong to me. It seems to stem from "telekinesis", which is effectively "tele (remote) + kinesis (movement)". The action in question is remote control of fire instead of movement, thus should be "telepyrosis" or something. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Skipper (?) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:58 pm

Well Twilight "moved" the fire from her horn to the torch, so there. :wingsright:

(No, you're right. Perhaps also the reason why my spellcheck says the word "pyrokinesis" doesn't exist.)
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:54 pm

Homeswirl wrote:The word "pyrokinesis" has always seemed wrong to me. It seems to stem from "telekinesis", which is effectively "tele (remote) + kinesis (movement)". The action in question is remote control of fire instead of movement, thus should be "telepyrosis" or something. :pinkieshrug:


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:52 pm

I'll be completely honest, I picked the word up entirely from its usage as one of the psychic abilities you could learn in System Shock 2. :-I
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:34 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I'll be completely honest, I picked the word up entirely from its usage as one of the psychic abilities you could learn in System Shock 2. :-I


I know pyrokineses and cryokinesis from the final boss of Street Fighter III. Those projectiles of his count as 2 attacks instead of one, so they power right through everything you throw at him. :-/

He shoots those with his hands, though, so It's definitely "fire movement" and not "remote flame." What Spike attempted was definitely more of a "mind flame"
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:05 am

Instead, they became mind farts. :gotcha:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:32 pm

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My wife is literally allergic to chocolate- she cannot have any of it at all or she gets massive migraines and her throat starts to close up on her. She is probably the closest to an actual "chocoholic" that exists. :v:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:23 am

My Latin teacher was severely allergic to chocolate. He could eat white chocolate, just nothing with cocoa
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Postby Princess Thunderburger (?) » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:55 pm

I got around watching this episode (finally). It hit harder then pony usually does. :cry:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:40 am

Headless Horse wrote:
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Fizzbuzz wrote:I'll be completely honest, I picked the word up entirely from its usage as one of the psychic abilities you could learn in System Shock 2. :-I


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Postby diribigal (?) » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:19 pm

Oh right, I saw this and had an opinion. I think I really liked the part at the end where everyone was like "no Spike, everyone thinks you're great except you. How can we help?" Like the episode dealt with self-confidence issues in a way that I think was unlike any previous episode. Did I cringe a little at awkward/silly Spike? Maybe, but it was totally worth it for how they were presenting the episode. Also side things like Twilight feeling out of place with the other princesses, etc. were good too.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:03 am

Welcome to Week Seventeen of Let's Re-Watch, where a random episode from the pony pantheon is chosen to be the episode of the week!

The basics :
1. Threads will go up on Thursdays! Re-watch day is Saturday. You can obviously join in sooner or later, but the first two days are more for reminiscing, while Saturday-Wednesday is for fresh eyes! Sometimes I put this up early on Friday cause it's still Thursday as far as I'm concerned. The first person to quote this line gets to brag about noticing it.
2. Each week is a random episode. All episodes are now fair game, except repeats!
3. This is fun, and totally random - I literally roll the episode moments before making the thread. Two-parters are combined so technically have a double chance of being chosen but hey! More fun!
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This week, Equestria learns firsthoof why overly restrictive security features can end up causing disaster rather than preventing them. Spike switches bodies with Michael Scott for half the episode. Also, gryphons are present.

Week Seventeen is

Equestria Games!

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Equestria Games is the twenty-fourth episode of the fourth season of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic and the eighty-ninth episode overall. In this episode, Spike's nerves get the better of him when he is put in charge of lighting the Equestria Games torch.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:05 am

Spike finally got a good season 4 episode, since Power Ponies is more of a "Ponies as superheroes" episode that just happened to have a side of Spike focus.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:09 am

I quite enjoyed this episode. Probably they best of the Spike episodes we have gotten, with a lot of nice moments for him. We get to see more of the crystal Empire, and just have fun. One little touch I liked is them showing Rainbow Dash being totally OK with second place. Really, my only dislike was them having to have Ponyville win the medal count. There was no reason for it.



One more thought. I wish more than one episode had been dedicated to the games. While it does not diminish my liking of this episode on its own, I think all the buildup we had for the games, it just seems a waste to have the games basically be the backdrop for an episode. I am not even saying this should have been a two part episode. The Spike story was very well paced. Just have another episode or even two with other stories of the Equestria Games.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:23 am

DerFurShur wrote:Spike finally got a good season 4 episode, since Power Ponies is more of a "Ponies as superheroes" episode that just happened to have a side of Spike focus.

Does Inspiration Manifestation not count? Sure, Rarity (naturally) hogged a lot of the attention there, but I feel like that ended up being fairly big for him as well.
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Honestly, I'm really happy with how the Games got used in S4. Had we gotten more focus on the actual athletic competitions then yeah, there would've been action there, but certainly none of the emotion and feelings that this episode gave us. The same applies for Scootaloo in Flight to the Finish and Rainbow Dash in Rainbow Falls (had that episode not been needlessly bogged down with cheap gags, Bulk Biceps, and the repeated key episode structure). If they'd spent more time on the events of the Games then I worry we might have ended up with something more like GPP than what we got here.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:26 am

This is my favorite episode of the entire show. Mostly because it speaks to me on a very personal level. It may not be about depression, but it certainly applies to it. I know I cried at the end when the lesson was delivered. This episode capped off Spike's long running "self-worth" arc in the best way it possibly could.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:28 am

The Doctor wrote:I quite enjoyed this episode. Probably they best of the Spike episodes we have gotten, with a lot of nice moments for him. We get to see more of the crystal Empire, and just have fun. One little touch I liked is them showing Rainbow Dash being totally OK with second place. Really, my only dislike was them having to have Ponyville win the medal count. There was no reason for it.


These were pretty much my key bullet points too. Good Spike episode, Crystal Empire used well, Rainbow Dash depicted nicely, no need for Ponyville to have won the medal tally.

Fun episode overall.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:41 am

Not my fav season 4 ep, but a solid ep overall, I think it tackled the issue of self doubt/defeat very well, and Spike was adorkable to me in this ep for some reason.

Also it's nice to know there's an entire kingdom of ponies that worship Spike as a Great & Honerable, Brave & Glorious hero. :shepspike:

I Still can't sit through the lil guys singing though it just makes me cringe too much. :eep:

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:45 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:This episode capped off Spike's long running "self-worth" arc in the best way it possibly could.

Huh, I never really thought of this episode like that. It's funny since I thought of Inspiration Manifestation as a conclusion to Spike's old crush on Rarity, showing that he still cares about her as a friend but isn't romantically obsessed like he used to be. If both of those aspects really are concluded then I wonder what his episodes in S5 will be about, given that those were all his really major conflicts as a character.
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Postby Discord (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:59 am

From last week's discussion

PaulloDEC wrote:I'm with Fizzbuzz and Foxfyre. Pinkie is just Pinkie. She doesn't suffer from any mental illness or condition, because that stuff doesn't exist in the world of MLP.


I was going to comment on this by citing this episode, but I didn't get around to it. Might as well do it now. :ponynet:

Spike, even though not necessarily having full blown depression, is definitely going through a depressive bought here. And it's not exactly the first time where our characters have had false perceptions of themselves either. I don't think I would say mental illness does not exist in MLP outright :ponder: Oh, also barking dog pony in Read it and Weep. :v:

Anyways, this episode is pretty excellent, and manages to tell a really good Spike story while still balancing a little games time. The cringe song...not my cup of tea, but Pinkie's line saves it.

Ponyville winning the medal count is also a small flaw, but theoretically, it's not impossible. Lots of smaller countries compete or win medal counts through strategic investments and programs. :spike101:

But other than that, this episode is very solid. And it astonishes me it got panned elsewhere because it didn't show more of the games. :-I
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:07 am

I actually have no opinion on this episode, strangely enough. Positive or negative.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:54 am

I'd call it one of Spike's best episodes. I think we can all relate to rushing into something without thinking it through, and then being embarrassed. The various events were interesting, ice archery in particular. We could probably have had a two parter and featured more events, but the episode as is was fine. And of course Harshie, although I must call her out for likely giving Spike the idea to try to sing the anthem with her "rock concert" remark.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:00 am

I think I'll hold off on discussing this one just yet, or even scrolling down for that matter. This is one of just a few episodes I happened to miss entirely due to some kind of event occurring on it's first showing and simply haven't gotten around to watching yet.

So yeah. Everything is a spoiler.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:25 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Does Inspiration Manifestation not count? Sure, Rarity (naturally) hogged a lot of the attention there, but I feel like that ended up being fairly big for him as well.



Not really since it's just another episode where Spike is a "nice guy" to try and get Rarity to like him. He also learned the wrong lesson. The episode went with this quasi-"don't be an enabler, stop your friends from doing X" lesson....except Spike's the one who got Rarity involved with the book to begin with. Then immediately in the end scene he fumbles that moral of being honest with your friends for a lame joke with Twilight that just made him look like a tool.

As for the episode, I still don't get why people want a full episode of just the games. Did they really want Rainbow Dash's rematch with Spitfire and more of Rainbow Dash and the others explaining how various Equestrian sports work?

What we got is pretty much the best we could hope for from the Games.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:02 am

One of my favorite episodes, and the best one to feature Spike to date.

Probably the one I can relate to the most. I always viewed Spike suffering from some sort of depression, and this is pretty much the closest it's going to tackle it, so I was satisfied.

That anthem song was cringe worthy, though Pinkie's "NAILED IT!" was funny.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:04 am

I should be in bed, but I must discuss this episode. After going through at least two straight ones that I flat-out did not like, we got to one that I really enjoyed. And seeing as Spike episodes typically don't do it for me, that's a major plus.

The episode has one of the most wonderfully perfect morals in the entire series. It doesn't matter how talented and wonderful everyone else says you are; none of that matters if you don't have confidence in yourself. It's important not to let past mistakes take control of your life, especially if they weren't that important or lasting. Spike shutting down, doubling down on the embarrassment to try and make things right, and having to be dragged out in public by stern but loving parental figures? Yeah, that's happened to me. Multiple times, in fact. Maybe I should try internalizing the lessons every now and then.

I also loved the small touches, like Rainbow Dash being fine with not winning as long as everyone puts on a good effort, or Cadance waving excitedly to Twilight while they're on their thrones in the stands.

All in all, this was a good episode. Too bad it's often only remembered because it wasn't just about a sequence of sporting events.
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