S04E21: Leap of Faith

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Re: S04E21: Leap of Faith

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:59 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Well, something appreciated Big Macintosh' bait (could have been Granny, but she'd have to move fast underwater to do it).
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The vampire fruit bats were left unchecked in their reserved part of the orchard and their droppings have begun to infect the river's fish with fruit vampirism.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:28 pm

All seaponies are decendents of the Apple Family. That's the only explanation I have.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:30 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:All seaponies are decendents of the Apple Family. That's the only explanation I have.


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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:38 pm

:vogue: Applejack...you're simply going to ruin your cowmare hat, wearing it in the water.

:twasnothin: Not to worry, Rarity...mah hat is indestructible and repels all known forms of liquid matter.

:starity: And Applebloom's bow?

:bluh: That too.

:wat: And Big Mac's yoke?

:liarjack: You got it Pontiac.

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:08 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:The vampire fruit bats were left unchecked in their reserved part of the orchard and their droppings have begun to infect the river's fish with fruit vampirism.


Along that line of thought... Does Fluttershy swim? :eeyup: :dreamworks:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:18 pm

I think we've seen her swimming a couple of times. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby citric (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:27 pm

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Which made for a wonderful subversion in SSCS6000 when it turned out they weren't con men, just businessmen. In the end, AJ only "beat them" by exploiting their overconfidence.

I'm with 'not con men' on this one. Less because of 'character consistency' which pony show never really been great on with side characters(Luna. Oh Luna), and more because the brothers being legitimate in some sense instead of having no redeeming features at all just makes them more unique characters and thus more interesting. :hiiiii:

Honestly(heh) I think the 'AJ spreads painful honesty about genuine product out of bitterness' guess someone had early on in the thread would have been a better episode, especially if you paired it with boater hat key, though this episode wasn't half bad in and of itself. I was pleased they got the 'this obviously fake product is fake' realisation out of the way real quick, and Applejack's dilemma was quite interesting. Silver Shill was by far the...least good of the key bearers, though. Unless Twilight's is unexpectedly boring. Weirdly enough, from reading his name from a spoilery episode synopsis, I expected the character to be a vegas showgirl salespony :-I
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:06 pm

Just hopping in to make a useless post about how much I loved this episode.

I really loved this episode. The story was well executed, Applejack was really well characterized, and the lesson definitely appeal to me. Plus the Film Flam Brothers were fun as always.

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Postby acksed (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:48 pm

Finally got to watch this.

I enjoyed it! But man did they ever stick the knife in AJ's honesty and keep twisting. Plus I appreciated the lesson on placebos.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:39 pm

:v: How did I miss this the first watch.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:42 pm

I'm surprised you missed that. His cameo there was something that immediately jumped out at me in the previews.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:54 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:All seaponies are decendents of the Apple Family. That's the only explanation I have.

Applejack and Megan were the first to meet the sea ponies back in the original G1 special. :twasnothin:
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Very cute, tho she looks more like an eel or some other skinny fish, rather than a seahorse.. uh I mean, sea pony. :liarjack:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:12 am

Weird as it might be, if they ever do a seaponies episode, I sort of do want a seapony to be an Apple family member.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:42 am

:applejargh: But Granny Smith's hip is still broken!
:anticipation: Sorry Sis, the herd has spoken.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:54 am

Mechanical Ape wrote: :applejargh: But Granny Smith's hip is still broken!
:anticipation: Sorry Sis, the herd has spoken.

And then they launch into song. :gotcha:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:11 am

Amethyst_Gem wrote:Very cute, tho she looks more like an eel or some other skinny fish, rather than a seahorse.. uh I mean, sea pony. :liarjack:


Yeah, but I didn't want to go for the obvious. :P
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Postby Pocket (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:27 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Even the title reminded me of how all those Internet Atheists™ got upset over FPK. That means this'll be a great one. :excellent:

Huh. This episode turned out to be almost the complete antithesis of "Feeling Pinkie Keen". So that's interesting.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:39 am

I dunno about that, both are about belief, ones just about believing in friends and the other is about believing in yourself...and not getting all your confidence from beer & drugs...I mean tonic.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:53 am

Amethyst_Gem wrote:Applejack and Megan were the first to meet the sea ponies back in the original G1 special. :twasnothin:

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Postby Veradox (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:27 am

I think it's safe to say this is so far my favorite S4 episode. The song was great, the moral was great, it was extremely funny and entertaining, and Silver Shill was pretty cool. I give this episode a 10/10.
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Postby Momo (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:18 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Image IT WAS GREAT

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Postby Big Boss (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:24 am

It's too dim. Needs more contrast/brightness. Then I will add it.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:30 am

First no McDonald's toy, now a G1 emote. March has not been good to poor AJ. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:15 am

Mechanical Ape wrote::applejargh: But Granny Smith's hip is still broken!
:anticipation: Sorry Sis, the herd has spoken.


Ha, I was thinking of that throughout the entire song.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:32 am

kefkafloyd wrote:It's too dim. Needs more contrast/brightness. Then I will add it.

Tweaked for G4 colors. Kept the G1 heavy outlines.
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Postby MasterOfKnees (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:32 pm

I really liked the subjects and questions this episode brought up, however I think the execution was very clunky. The best scene in the episode was when Flim and Flam convinced AJ that they were doing more good than bad despite the product being a fluke, I really liked how Flim and Flam brought it all up as a hypothetical scenario despite how obvious it is, really makes them seem like those filthy business men that they are. AJ's scenes where she questions herself and watches her face being plastered everywhere were also really good, and I've long wanted to see AJ's honesty being pushed to the limit, never quite felt she was as connected with her element as the others up until now.

However, those are only select scenes. I don't like Granny Smith, her character is based entirely around being old, which isn't funny or enjoyable in the slightest. So for me those three swimming scenes were really stupid, and I really didn't care a lot about the climactic scene towards the end. I'd rather that we'd have spent more time doing something else, maybe have had a bit more time with Flim and Flam who really only had two scenes where they actually interacted beyond saying "Applejack approved."

So yeah, this episode is the definition of a mixed bag for me. I love parts of it, I hate other parts of it. However, I do slightly lean towards the good side of it, I do like to focus more on its good aspects than the bad ones, and in this case the good things were really strong. So yeah, a pretty decent episode.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:00 pm

Do the camera ponies have names? If not I suggest Money Shot, Kodak & Bea Reel.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:35 pm

The one in the ballcap has a name in the CCG

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:37 pm

Huh...what episode is that screenshot from? It could have been from this one, but I thought the trading card game came out before this.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:42 pm

She was apparently in Green Isn't Your Colour and MMDW as well, so I'd guess MMDW for that shot. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:28 pm

"Bail?" "Bail!"
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:36 pm

:excite: All right, I can't wait for a new Aramek song!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:37 pm

Aramek wrote:(Anyone know where I can get a good-bitrate stereo version of the song? I'll check YT when I get home, see if I can strip it.)

Octavia ripped it and posted it in the song thread, but I haven't listened to tell if it's mono or stereo.
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Postby Minty (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:44 pm

I think there's also a male pegasus version of "Shutterbug" there, although I don't think he appeared in this episode.
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Postby Frith (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:01 pm

I liked this episode a lot. AJ's characterization was really good and the dilemma she faced (should she be dishonest if that makes others happy) suited really well for her character. It was also really nice to see Apple family together. I've always liked Apple family because the chemistry between the members of Apple family works really well, at least for me.

As in SSCS6000 I didn't care much about The Flim Flam Brothers and I also didn't like the song they sang in this episode. But those were just minor flaws and they didn't bother much when I watched the episode.

So I would say that this is the second best key episode behind Rarity's key episode and that at the moment it's top 5 episode on S4.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:49 pm

I only just now looked at the title and realized that you know what, that's a damn good episode title. :vogue:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:21 am

Headless Horse wrote:I only just now looked at the title and realized that you know what, that's a damn good episode title. :vogue:


Don't Drink and Dive
Pool and Unusual
Sink or Swindle
Go Jump in a Fake
Where There's a Shill There's a Way
Hey Potion!
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:31 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:Hey Potion!


The staff, the show, and the fandom have finally culminated in the ultimate expression of Pony. It's over everyone. Had fun while it lasted. :chillin:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:33 am

Nah, that needs to be the episode where Apple Bloom tries to convince Applejack to accept the usage of crop-enhancing potions at Sweet Apple Acres.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:59 am

While I do enjoy this episode a lot the one thing that annoys me is how long it takes AJ to tell the truth about the tonic. Once she discovered the medicine was a shame I could understand her dilemma between Granny Smith's rediscovered confidence and her well being as long as her activities were safe. If Granny Smith was the only pony duped into believing the Flim Flams I'd have no problem with the story however the conflict is much bigger than just the brothers and Apple family. With so many sick and injured ponies, many with life altering conditions, obliviously betting their lives on a bottle of tainted apple juice I feel that AJ should have had the integrity to put the well being of the many over the feelings of one individual even if she is family. That isn't to say that the lesson was poorly explained but because of how some earlier evens occurred it makes AJ seem very selfish and insensitive if she only felt motivated to be honest once her kin's life was in danger but not the lives of others.
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