Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom




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Amethyst_Gem wrote:Villain Duckfaces o3o
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Discord looks comparatively dignified
The Doctor wrote:I would also like in on an eventual RT for this.
Amethyst_Gem wrote:You're welcome!
I would love to get involved also... though um, I have no idea about the qualifications for such a role...
How is it done anyway, do you get together on irc and save then edit a chat transcript?
I only got in on the RT in the last two or so eps, and was not chased out of town.Skipper wrote:[e] I see there's already quite some interest from qualified posters. Never mind then!
doodlesplat wrote:Does Twilight's new castle operate similarly to the Crystal Empire castle? Was that a test firing of the superweapon at the end of the episode? Are Equestria's defensive capabilities becoming overpowered?
doodlesplat wrote:Does Twilight's new castle operate similarly to the Crystal Empire castle? Was that a test firing of the superweapon at the end of the episode? Are Equestria's defensive capabilities becoming overpowered?
kefkafloyd wrote:The front page is dead, long live the front page.
Why can't Celestia and Luna just get rid of Tirek like they did before? No reason other than they need to be kidnapped again to make way for Twilight to save the day.
Why can't she tell her friends? No reason, we need to clear 5 minutes for the Tirek fight. Can't have them getting in the way.
Have Celestia, Luna and Cadance have the big fight with Tirek, buying time for Twilight to figure out the box. Have the other 5 help to hide Twilight from Tirek. Heck, have the big action sequence after the box is opened and let the other 5 do something. Do something with the rest of the cast rather than nonsensically brush them aside.
Where episodes like "Friendship is Magic" and "Return of Harmony" showed why Twilight needs her friends, and the "magic" of friendship, all this episode did was show that the Princess of Friendship doesn't need friends. She needs 5 fuses for the magic friendship canon, and all they need to do is stand there.
Episodes like MMC show why she is a great leader, and worthy of being a princess, this episode she's chosen for no reason except "Tirek might not know about you".
Same reason why they couldn't deal with Discord, Chystalis, or Sombra. They're not as strong as they used to be and they're not connected to the elements anymore. It's also implied that they got Tirek in a weakened state, whereas here he's much stronger.
See, I think MMC was a much better example of why should be a princess. There she actually uses her smarts to solve a problem. She doesn't do it all herself, and it shows why she should be the Princess of Friendship by solving the problem with friendship.
Same reason why they couldn't deal with Discord, Chystalis, or Sombra. They're not as strong as they used to be and they're not connected to the elements anymore. It's also implied that they got Tirek in a weakened state, whereas here he's much stronger.
Well, to be fair, Celestia did help with Discord. She had to fix Twilight before Twilight could fix everyone else. And TCE suffers much of the same "shove everyone else off to the side" problems this episode has. Really, TCE should have been a Cadance story.
Discord wrote:
MMC is my favourite episode of all time, so I'm not one to argue against it, as I do think it does a great job. But I think this one does a great job too, and she absolutely solves the problem with friendship; specifically, befriending Discord.
It was indirect intervention though; she wasn't trying to zap Discord like she originally did, and like you seem to suggest she should have been able to do against Tirek. And TCE suffers from its own issues so I don't feel much like defending it, and it doesn't add to my point in this case (that being that Celestia/Luna not taking on Tirek does make sense, given the show has repeatedly displayed them as not being as magically powerful as they once were).
Well, given that before they had the magic of two Alicorns, and now they have four. I don't buy them not being able to take him out early. And while they don't have access to the Elements, I don't see the show making them less powerful, so much as not having any good ideas how to use them. Look at the comics. They pretty seamlessly write Celestia and Luna into the adventure arcs without them being the focus (the mirror arc being an obvious exception since it WAS about Celestia).
Twilight being the focus isn't the problem for me. My problem is when they force it with not much attention paid to the story to get there. "Canterlot Wedding". It made sense for everyone else to have a smaller role. She's the only one who knows Cadance and would be suspicious (well, and Celestia, but that's just one plot hole in an otherwise solid episode). This episode, it makes no sense for everyone else to be shoved aside, other than "we need to get to that fight scene".
PaulloDEC wrote:I'd like to come back to this thread later, but for now I'll say that I liked this story a lot, and that I agree with Discord's post.
I'd also like to note that any time it seems like Celestia is dumping a lot of work on Twilight, we can just assume it's her doing her whole "Celestia works in mysterious ways and also teaches Twilight stuff by forcing her to save Equestria" thing.
PaulloDEC wrote:I'd like to come back to this thread later, but for now I'll say that I liked this story a lot, and that I agree with Discord's post.
I'd also like to note that any time it seems like Celestia is dumping a lot of work on Twilight, we can just assume it's her doing her whole "Celestia works in mysterious ways and also teaches Twilight stuff by forcing her to save Equestria" thing.
Dexanth wrote:
The real answer here is almost certainly Plot Holes, because that's something I've noticed with every McCarthy bookender (And EQG1) since the Wedding. Rainbow Rocks, however, did much much better in that department, so I'm much more optimistic S5 is going to be more Wedding and less Princess Twilight Sparkle.
The Doctor wrote:Well, given that before they had the magic of two Alicorns, and now they have four. I don't buy them not being able to take him out early.
SlateSlabrock wrote:We want to believe Celestia is playing eleven-dimensional chess at all times, even when changelings are beating her in battle, or she's sending Twilight dangerous magic that could destroy Team Elements o' Harmony, or when she gives Twilight strange, counter-productive orders for saving the Crystal Empire. But I think she simply trains her subjects as best she can, then places absolute faith in them to succeed. In normal matters of the heart, she's probably seen it all across fifty lifetimes and knows exactly what to say, but supervillains are always a unique challenge. She's not omniscient, she's not always right, but she can't ever stop trusting.
Fizzbuzz wrote:They couldn't take him out early because they didn't know about him early. He was believed to have escaped when Cerberus got loose back during the events of It's About Time, so if Tirek had been waiting until he had enough power to start sucking up the magic of unicorns, Celestia wouldn't have known about him until reports of that started to surface. By the time she could figure out a response, Tirek was strong enough to where she thought it would be quicker and safer to send Discord instead of going and fighting Tirek herself.
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