Re: S04E12: Pinkie Pride






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sailoryue wrote:Well in my opinion, the one pony song that has the worst lyrics is "The pony every pony should know" Some of the lyrics are alright, but the overuse of the word pony in that song is ridiculous lol(i can see why that song didnt get dubbed in the Japanese dub)
InC wrote:A Day Aria is wonderfully orchestrated, but the first thing Cadance is worried about is, apparently, cake.
Headless Horse wrote:I do want to say "Glass of Water" last week really did feel like it was playing in the big leagues, lyrically. First and only time for this show, and it felt like it was getting there only because they pulled out every last one of their stops.
Wayoshi wrote:-I'm still trying to wrap my ahead around this Pink-IE vs. PINK-ie thing... sounds exactly the same in my head.
Fizzbuzz wrote:Not gonna lie, Chrysalis singing about how she could care less about the dress still bugs me to this day.
The Doctor wrote:
I can't hate that line because it comes during that shot of a totally defeated Pinkie being helped by AJ.
Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:It reminds me of the paragon of western romantic literature, Grease.
The Outlander wrote:Honestly, still better than most cartoon songs. Have you ever heard freaking Strawberry Shortcake?
Rainbow Brite wrote:I do think it's kind of a shame that the real knockout singers (Shannon Chan-Kent, Kazumi Evans, Rebecca Stoichet) don't get regular speaking roles in the show. That's not to talk down Ball's or Libman's singing, but I feel like those three hit it out of the park all the time.
PictishBeast wrote:"Pinkie" is the first kind of word. It's not as blatant as "baker" so you can get away with fudging it a bit, but you're still fudging it. "It's the best place for me/For Pink-ee" isn't a rhyme. It's like, half a rhyme.
Highbrow Dash wrote:I don't really mind if they mess with the pronuntiation a little for the sake of a rhyme![]()
: You better THINK before you mess with the PINK
: ie pie
Highbrow Dash wrote:I don't really mind if they mess with the pronuntiation a little for the sake of a rhyme![]()
: You better THINK before you mess with the PINK
: ie pie
Headless Horse wrote:The point being, it's limiting, writing this way. And giving yourself the license to say "Pin-KEE" opens up a whole universe of rhyme possibilities that aren't otherwise on the table. Not only are there a ton more words that fit, they also sound more "Pinkie-like".
SWEENEY TODD: The history of the world, my love
MRS. LOVETT: Save a lot of graves, do a lot of relatives favors
SWEENEY TODD: Is those below serving those up above
MRS. LOVETT: Everybody shaves so there should be plenty of flavors
Prince Ali, handsome is he
—There's no question this Ali's alluring
Ali Ababwa
—Never ordinary, never boring
That physique! How can I speak? Weak at the knee...
—Everything about the man just plain impresses
Well get on out in that square
—He's a winner, he's a whiz, a wonder
Adjust your veil and prepare
—He's about to pull my heart asunder
To gawk and grovel and stare at Prince Ali!
—And I absolutely love the way he dresses!
Headless Horse wrote:Perhaps not the best example because the "For Pinkie" line isn't part of the normal rhyme scheme anyway.
[...]
A better example might be:
Twilight is my bestest friend
Whoopee, whoopee
Pinkie...
She's the cutest, smartest, all around best po-NEE, po-NEE
Pinkie...
I bet if I throw a super-duper fun par-TEE, par-TEE
Pinkie!
She'll give her extra ticket to the Gala to meeeee!
[etc etc etc]
Wylie wrote:Which is kind of what my point is. It took Sondheim years of writing to get to that level, and he still was his own worst critic. Tim Rice (who's responsible for Headless' example from Alladin) likewise is a genius-level wordsmith. Some of the stuff he did recently to revive the Chess book for "Chess In Concert" was inspired- because he'd been working on it on-and-off for literally decades.
Davyinatoga wrote:I like how Cheese almost comes off like a tragic hero of sorts. Here we have a character who spends his life wandering the world, throwing parties to recapture a feeling of acceptance and joy he once experienced as a lonely and depressed young colt. He's outrageously zany, loud and excessive; a flash in the pan who set up such lavish events, then leaves before everybody has a chance to burn themselves out. His lifestyle demands he keep his friendly relationships with other ponies at a shallow level, which is possibly still more friendliness from others than he was shown in his childhood. Even his deepest connection, with Pinkie Pie, is limited at best: he stumbled into one of her parties; she doesn't even recognize him from that time, though she had such a profound effect on him. He carries one-sided conversations with an inanimate object as if he's still a kid. He's such a lonely guy, desperate to feel accepted and loved that he lives his life to protect himself from potential long-term pain. Despite being so similar to Pinkie Pie, he clearly has different motivations and character than her.
Pinkie lives for the long-term happiness of the people who make her happy, like her existence helps others validate their lives by knowing her. Cheese lives for the short-term happiness of all, to validate himself. It's so saddening, yet so badass, especially for MLP.
Wylie wrote:Didn't Rice finish Ashman's work on Alladin, though? Maybe that's what I was thinking. I'm not sure where the line fell exactly as to what Rice wrote and what Ashman wrote.
So Ali turns out to be merely Aladdin
Just a con, need I go on, take it from me
BackgroundPony wrote:Totally agreed here. I love that song, but every time Rarity sings "We can try to do what we can now / For together we can be her guide" I just cringe. We can try to do what we can now? Yeeeesh! Talk about your meaningless filler lines.
Headless Horse wrote:Ahem, actually that bit was the late Howard Ashman. Tim Rice isn't fit to sharpen Ashman's bequested pencils.
Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:i am not ready for the transhumanist revolution to begin with my butt
Perpetual Lurker wrote:Here's what I'm never able to get. In cases like this, why is it that the subjective quality of the music always goes down the more educated you are on the subject? I mean, it almost seems like being taught all of these rules that must be adhered to makes it harder to enjoy music that doesn't do it perfectly, while those who don't know about those rules don't hear the problem, and thus enjoy the music more.
Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:i am not ready for the transhumanist revolution to begin with my butt
Headless Horse wrote:Meter is this:
but SOFT! what LIGHT through YONder WINdow BREAKS
and why you don't say
BUT soft what LIGHT through yonDER winDOW BREAKS
or
i am HERE at THE Grand GALa
for it IS the BEST parTY
but the ONE thing IT was MISsing WAS a POny NAMED pinKIE
In other words it's the natural emphasis of syllables falling into a pleasing pattern. Sucky meter is when you have to emphasize the wrong syllables just to make the words fit the beats of the music.
Perpetual Lurker wrote:Here's what I'm never able to get. In cases like this, why is it that the subjective quality of the music always goes down the more educated you are on the subject? I mean, it almost seems like being taught all of these rules that must be adhered to makes it harder to enjoy music that doesn't do it perfectly, while those who don't know about those rules don't hear the problem, and thus enjoy the music more.
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