S05E13: Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?

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Re: S05E13: Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?

Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:04 pm

Image Sister...why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me of your guilt?

:unenthused: There was nothing you could have done.

:pcstare: There must have been something I could have done to make you feel better. We're sisters...we need to stick together.

:speakest: Like paper and glue?

:gotcha: Like oil and water! Oh, wait...
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:13 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Image Sister...why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me of your guilt?

:unenthused: There was nothing you could have done.

:pcstare: There must have been something I could have done to make you feel better. We're sisters...we need to stick together.

:speakest: Like paper and glue?

:gotcha: Like oil and water! Oh, wait...


so, Luna has twice nearly destroyed equestria rather than talk to Sister.

:delight: I built those therapy wacky slides for a reason, you kno...
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:29 pm

There's like barely any images here, and I'm busy today. I am disappoint. :rainbert:

For now though...

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I'm kinda surprised Fluts was willing to lucid dream about this. Then again, I don't think she remembered much of her bat experience...
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:35 pm

PonyHag714 wrote::pcstare: There must have been something I could have done to make you feel better. We're sisters...we need to stick together.

:speakest: Big Macintosh is twice the princess you are, honey.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:42 pm

Act I-III rough timings: 3 min, 7 min, 9.5 min. While you could pick up that the problem was definitely coming from Luna, maybe a bit more of a hint it was entirely her fault (the fact she created the Tantabus was a surprise to me, personally), cut some of the repetitive exposition and I think the episode would have been more balanced.
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Postby Lorce (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:45 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Image

I'm kinda surprised Fluts was willing to lucid dream about this. Then again, I don't think she remembered much of her bat experience...

Those fangs look really weird. Image
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:00 pm

re: Big Mac's transformation scene:

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Postby Discord (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:32 pm

Awesome episode. :awesomedash:

I agree the exposition on "REAL WORLD" was a repetitive and the wacky hi-jinks may have made the resolution too quick. But for what it was, I loved it. A really good character bit for Luna along with so many hilarious and fun things on the dreamscape. It was ambitious in trying to balance both, but I think it did an adequate job.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:03 pm

This episode was really good and I'm heck of loving the continued focus on non Mane 6 characters and some of the background characters getting continued airtime post-episode 100. I want Lyrabon in every episode now.

Some more misc. thoughts:

Did the singing flowers sound like Tara to anyone else. "Watch me solo on this flute" sounded like that character she played on Chowder, whatever her name was.

And it seems like the writers are well aware of "Spike getting left out" gags at this point. There's no way that wasn't intentional.

Fluttershy's dream was great.

Uh, that's it. I liked it!
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:09 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:Did the singing flowers sound like Tara to anyone else. "Watch me solo on this flute" sounded like that character she played on Chowder, whatever her name was.

Possibly, although Peter New is the only one credited for "Sunflower." :amazed:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:11 pm

Has Tara ever done a second voice on the show?
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:20 pm

Lorce wrote:Those fangs look really weird. Image


And compare that to Applejack and Dash who both went with their Power Ponies mode.

But she IS the pony most in touch with the beasts, up to outright becoming one. Heck, she -bit- the house.
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:35 pm

She should've turned into a giant termite. An adorable yellow and pink termite.
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Postby Chronos30 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:41 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Possibly, although Peter New is the only one credited for "Sunflower." :amazed:

Haha, he has really shown his range this season!
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Postby Lorce (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:54 pm

The Doctor wrote:Has Tara ever done a second voice on the show?

Possibly, but i doubt it, since she's not actually at the recordings where they usually assign background voices. ^^
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:29 am

These wacky dream episodes aren't really my jam so much, but I did like the last third or so, where we got a little more insight into Luna's state-of-mind.

Also, did anyone else find Fluttershy's bit with giant Angel kinda weird? I feel like it says something about Fluttershy that she dreams of being "the pet".

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At first I thought they were going to go with the angle that Tantabus was the evil that corrupted Nightmare Moon, totally contradicting the comics. While I wasn't a big fan of the Nightmare Forces, I'd hate to see the show just totally knock down the comics by contradicting them.


This was my biggest concern early on too, but more because I just don't want there to be a "force" behind Luna's transformation to Nightmare Moon. It's so much more interesting if she changes due to something inside herself rather than some evil, external influence, which is why the Nightmare Rarity arc fell so flat for me.

Like you though, I'm glad they didn't directly contradict the comics. There seriously needs to be more crossover there.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:31 am

PaulloDEC wrote:These wacky dream episodes aren't really my jam so much, but I did like the last third or so, where we got a little more insight into Luna's state-of-mind.

Also, did anyone else find Fluttershy's bit with giant Angel kinda weird? I feel like it says something about Fluttershy that she dreams of being "the pet".



I didn't mind the joke, but my mind instantly flashed to what the fandom will do with that line. :-/
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:35 am

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I didn't mind the joke, but my mind instantly flashed to what the fandom will do with that line. :-/


Well yeah, exactly. Now I'm just left wondering if it was cheeky on purpose, especially in an episode that winked as hard at that fandom as this one did.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:41 am

I think it makes sense with all the tender care Fluts gives she would wonder how it would feel in reverse... nothing perverse there.

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:43 am

Just add it to the huge pile of "Stuff about Fluttershy I'll never relate to nor understand". :v: Was a funny segment.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:47 am

Wayoshi wrote:I think it makes sense with all the tender care Fluts gives she would wonder how it would feel in reverse... nothing perverse there.


Oh, for sure. I just wonder if the writer was smirking when they wrote it.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:49 am

Perhaps Sonneborn was... he certainly was during this:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:56 am

Wayoshi wrote:I think it makes sense with all the tender care Fluts gives she would wonder how it would feel in reverse... nothing perverse there.

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Strange thing about this, and maybe I imagined it, but hasn't Angel brushed her mane before?
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:57 am

He did when she was crying in Hurricane Flutterdhy, though he wasn't using a brush that time.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:35 am

PaulloDEC wrote:
This was my biggest concern early on too, but more because I just don't want there to be a "force" behind Luna's transformation to Nightmare Moon. It's so much more interesting if she changes due to something inside herself rather than some evil, external influence, which is why the Nightmare Rarity arc fell so flat for me.

Like you though, I'm glad they didn't directly contradict the comics. There seriously needs to be more crossover there.


You know, in a way, this episode kind of canonizes the Nightmare Rarity arc and the Nightmare Forces.

Luna in the show was defeated so quickly that she never really had time to terrorize the populace. Though, she was able to terrorize people from the Moon.

DerFurShur wrote:He did when she was crying in Hurricane Flutterdhy, though he wasn't using a brush that time.


Yay, I wasn't crazy! Thanks.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:50 am

Chronos30 wrote:Haha, he has really shown his range this season!

Remember that he also did the voice of Goldie Delicious back in Pinkie Apple Pie.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:56 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Remember that he also did the voice of Goldie Delicious back in Pinkie Apple Pie.


Really? Wow, sounds like Tabitha has some competition.
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Postby Frith (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:23 am

I tend to like slice of life episodes more than adventure episodes but this episode was really enjoyable. Good ending for the first half of the season.

Dream sequences were amusing (all hail Princess Big Mac!) and weird in a good way. Luna got finally some character development which was nice to see. Her emotional troubles were portrayed realistically and it was sad to see that she repeatedly punished herself.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:47 am

On second watch, I retract anything I said about Luna creating the Tantabus not being foreshadowed enough... it was actually pretty well-done. Still, at least 30 seconds of repetitive expository lines that could have gone somewhere else, if nothing else to balance the act length a bit more.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:04 am

The Doctor wrote:Has Tara ever done a second voice on the show?


I could have sworn that she voiced some background ponies in Season 1. :ponder:
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Postby Nemrex (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:10 am

All in all a good episode, but there are few things I feel that they could have improved on. I think with Luna entering their dreams, it could have shown hobbies that they otherwise wouldn't tell the others rather then their immediate characterizations. Like Applejack longing to be a writer, or Fluttershy's secret appreciation for Heavy Metal. (Although we all know Big Mac's secret desire). :gotcha:

Another was how they handled Luna coming to terms with her guilt. While it was great that she finally had some development, especially coming to terms to who she was as Nightmare Moon, I felt Rainbow Dash stating "Just gotta stop feeling bad for what you did!" was a little too on the nose for that revelation, and that it could have been stated a little more subtlety. :-/

But besides those nitpicks, I enjoyed the return of some of the Power Ponies, what would be akin to an eternal hellride through It's a Small World that was Rainbow Dash's nightmare, and especially the Catdog reference. :ohboy:
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Postby Nemrex (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:21 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:
I could have sworn that she voiced some background ponies in Season 1. :ponder:

I remember in Green Isn't Your Color when Bon Bon comes into Rarity's Carousel Boutique and asking if Fluttershy was there. It sounded alot like Tara Strong voicing her.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:24 am

Yeah, I think Tara did some additional voices in the early episodes.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:30 am

I'm pretty sure she was also in a S2 episode as a one off character...I've been racking my brain trying to figure out who.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:20 am

After some episodes Tank had returned.

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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:09 am

The actual moment they defeated the Tantabus was a bit anti-climactic, Luna got over her terrible guilt problem pretty sharpish and the monster was quickly nullified. The dream sequence wackiness is what this episode is all about though. :ponydrugs:

The thing about the Tantabus getting stronger the worse Luna felt reminded me of an old episode of Red Dwarf where something similar happened, and I agree about the Nightmare on Elm Street 3 comparison.

Yet another season 1 callback to add to the collection with that big red dragon briefly showing up in Pinkie's dream, can the Diamond Dogs, the cockatrice and whoever else I've forgotten be far behind?

It's probably not worth worrying about but I was a bit surprised to see Tank suddenly turn up again. RD's dream was definitely the best, that's twice we've seen changelings now (in S5).

I know it was only a dream but what was Filthy Rich doing in the upper floor of that house? :sbahj:
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:40 am

Nemrex wrote:All in all a good episode, but there are few things I feel that they could have improved on. I think with Luna entering their dreams, it could have shown hobbies that they otherwise wouldn't tell the others rather then their immediate characterizations. Like Applejack longing to be a writer, or Fluttershy's secret appreciation for Heavy Metal. (Although we all know Big Mac's secret desire). :gotcha:


I definitely feel like they missed a golden opportunity with the main 6 dream sequences. When I heard those were in this episode before I watched it, I was excited to see what they came up with, but most of them seemed really lazy.

Like, "oh, Twilight likes books, so she's in a library."
"Applejack likes apples, so she's polishing a big apple."
"Rarity likes dresses, so, uh... dresses are flying around!"
"... And then big scary monsters appear. :conftoot: "

I could give a pass to Fluttershy's, (she spends every day caring for a house full of dependents and wishes she could be the dependent for once.) The rest went for the low-hanging fruit. Dreams are very personal things, and I feel like they could have been a lot more creative with not only the dreams themselves, but what they turned into when the Tantabus came through. It would have been great to see any of the ponies deal with something she's really afraid of rather than some goofy, unpleasant monsters.

Aside from that, I enjoyed it. It was fun. Just wish it had a little more substance in that first act.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:52 pm

:unenthused: I hope you can all forgive me for the trouble I caused.

:party: Come on, everypony! Luna needs a big hug!

:speakest: That really isn't necessary...

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:54 pm

How do we not have that hugging smiley yet? :allears:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:26 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:It's probably not worth worrying about but I was a bit surprised to see Tank suddenly turn up again.

Whoa, I didn't even notice that! Huh, I guess we're not getting an episode where he wakes up from hibernation.
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