S07E02: All Bottled Up

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Re: S07E02: All Bottled Up

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:22 am

As one of only five songs this season, I really found this one a waste. We've done the meta reference to singing before... and it wasn't the meat of the episode anyways. We know the Mane 6 are unbreakable in friendship blah blah blah. Trixie & Starlight are getting there but it didn't need to be contrasted to the Mane 6 in this episode - it honestly felt like filling for time. :pinkieshrug:

We'll be getting a half-musical movie at this rate to make up for it, but bleh.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:57 pm

The song was catchy as fuck and the ponies were cute while singing it.

It sounded different from all the other songs, what with the notes and beat and stuff.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:39 pm

Cute episode, made giggles, and so forth.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:44 pm

I've seen a lot of chatter about the ending of this episode being the start of Startrix becoming canon. It'd be nice for Hasbro to finally let a non-straight thing happen, and with the way Trixie and Starlight have been introduced and trotted around over the past few seasons, it certainly seems like the best way for the show to set up any sort of romance arc. Still, I can't help but feel that it won't actually happen.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:35 pm

Goddamn, these were a good pair of episodes. Just the right measure of self-awareness and sincerity, and it was interesting having the season start without a grand, two-part arc. Me, personally, I'm glad Poni's back. VERY cool.

I am kinda disappointed that Starlight didn't actually get sucked into hell though.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:07 am

Starlight's such a great character to keep the series fresh it's shame she gets so much guff


Mordja wrote:Me, personally, I'm glad Poni's back. VERY cool.


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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:23 am

We'll probably never get a five-episode Ponybomb but two in one day is pretty nice. :good:

• Trixie, you are the Peridot of this show.
• (That's a compliment.)
• Even though Dash is a Wonderbolt and Rarity runs boutiques in three cities, it doesn't prevent the Mane Six from hanging out like usual and that's pretty cool.
• Magic is friendship and stuff. :smug: OK, I think I'll call Starlight's crew the MiF team.
• Do you suppose Trixie is the Element of Greatness or the Element of Power or maybe both?
• SPLICING OF SPIKE DRAGON AND TELEPOD 1 COMPLETE
• Oh! I thought the Mane Six were gone for the episode!
• Ha, Twilight being into Escape the Room is perfect. :excite:
:ohrarity: Yes yes, woo hoo.
• Ah ha ha, these ponies are going to be killing each other in five minutes. :gotcha:
Doin' the spell!
• So that's how they lose a table-sized map. Because Trix is just that big a screwup. Oh ponies, you never disappoint. :ponydrugs:
• Trixie is what Rainbow Dash would be if she were a unicorn.
• Are horns supposed to bleed? They're not, are they?
• I want the million teacups to be a recurring background gag this season. :lol:
• Locating the map should be simple! You just consult the map and ... oh, right.
• We're gonna need a bigger bottle.
• "We solved another clue, 'cuz our friendship is so true!" :)
• Rarity segment! :vogue:
• Starlight's just gonna see how this plays out.
• Subverting my expectations, the Mane Six are functional! :shock:
• And a song!
• Ha, Granny hurls her purse three inches. And boomerang visor.
• Starlight re-absorbs the curse and becomes Vampire Queen again.
• Old Starlight comes back for a sec, awesome.
• Ha, I was wondering about Bulk's spa job.

I loved this one! It was smart, we got a lesson about friendship, and everyone went to the spa.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:27 am

Octavia wrote:Literally bottling up her anger :fluttershock:

Repress Like Starlight Glimmer
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:19 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I've seen a lot of chatter about the ending of this episode being the start of Startrix becoming canon. It'd be nice for Hasbro to finally let a non-straight thing happen, and with the way Trixie and Starlight have been introduced and trotted around over the past few seasons, it certainly seems like the best way for the show to set up any sort of romance arc. Still, I can't help but feel that it won't actually happen.


I don't think it's going to happen on the show, less because it's non-straight than because I don't expect any romance between main characters to be a big thing on this show. The line was interesting enough for ambiguously implying it, though, and I'm sure fan artists and fan writers will go wild :smirk:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:26 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:Repress Like Starlight Glimmer

Yet another way we're alike.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:47 am

Bremen wrote:I don't think it's going to happen on the show, less because it's non-straight than because I don't expect any romance between main characters to be a big thing on this show.

Maybe not between main characters, but right now Starlight and Trixie occupy this odd place between the level of the ten main characters and the supporting cast. That's one reason why I felt that if this show were going to have two characters fall in love, they'd be a good pair for it.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:57 am

I was impressed by Trix's comment that Starlight's anger is one of the things she likes about her.

I'm fairly repressed myself, and I often forget that anger is not an emotional error, but normal and good and healthy (when justified and proportionate). Sometimes a piece of media reminds me of this fact, like this episode or Inside Out or even a scene in Clerks, and it always blows my mind just a little bit.

It's nice to see anger being validated. I remember in "Look Before You Sleep", when AJ and Rarity have wrecked the treehouse, and Twilight finally declares it is not okay. That was a neat moment for Twilight.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:22 am

SlateSlabrock wrote: :trixyay: Yaaay! Trixie! You're so great at magic and having good hair!


I want to give particular recognition to this line. Props to Lady Writers for making sure there's comedy still in the show with its roots in a feminine sensibility. I was sort of wondering whether having a bunch of dudes taking over all the writing of late might be making gags like this disappear from the show (because they won't occur naturally to guys as easily). This felt like the kind of humor Lauren might have asked for.

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I didn't immediately get the point of the song, but looking again I think it's just a big (deliberately) over-the-top "Our friendship is so awesome and we're so in-sync with one another!" to contrast with Starlight and Trixie being completely at odds with one another. In fact, that's probably true of the entire Mane 6 segment of the episode; to show one group of friends in perfect harmony versus another that isn't exactly working yet.

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Also oh my god I have a new favorite gif :ponydrugs:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:03 am

Just... don't look at Rarity's tail in that GIF. :wat:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:44 am

:excite: Hey girls, how'd it go?
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They made one more change to the opening sequence this season. Can you spot it?

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New:
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I wonder if this was intentional:
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"Starlight! A spark of magic could be very helpful right about now!"

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"I... can't."

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"The spark ignited inside me when I realized that you all... are my friends! You see, Nightmare Moon, when those Elements are ignited by the spark that resides in the heart of us all, it creates the sixth element: the element of... magic!"

Other stuff:

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This episode has the Trixiest Trixie.

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I'm curious about the door with the barred window and the smaller barred window.

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:16 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I'm curious about the door with the barred window and the smaller barred window.

The smaller barred window is just a picture. Every door has a picture on it, I guess to show the room's theme.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:24 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:They made one more change to the opening sequence this season. Can you spot it?

She's no longer unsure that she should be in the photo!

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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:06 am

It felt like they recanned Trixie's magical power. It has been bothering me for a bit. In season one she actually did know some legit magic like changing colors and summoning lightning. Then in season 6 they decided that she didn't know any magic at all. This episode just reminded me of that.

I liked how they remembered that Bulk works at the spa too. It was like they were saying to the fans "Yeah, we know, we didn't forgot. Don't bring it up at the next Q&A, thanks. :-/ "
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:08 am

Trixie knew stage magic, Flashy magic. She didn't really know practical stuff.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:41 am

If anything, it's surprising that she could learn something like teleportation, which has typically been a top-tier Twilight/Starlight/Sunset-only spell, in one try.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:10 am

Considering how she sent the table all the way to the spa by accident, I don't know if that'd quite count as properly learning it. :smirk:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:43 am

Anyone think it's interesting that Trixie is pretty much a recurring character now? She was originally just a one-time "villain of the week" back in season 1, but then the fans REALLY latched onto the characters, leading to her second appearance in season 3. Then she returned in season 6, but now that she's Starlight's friend she has more reason to stay.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:40 am

Mr. Big wrote:Anyone think it's interesting that Trixie is pretty much a recurring character now? She was originally just a one-time "villain of the week" back in season 1, but then the fans REALLY latched onto the characters, leading to her second appearance in season 3. Then she returned in season 6, but now that she's Starlight's friend she has more reason to stay.


Part of it is that, at least in my opinion, the mane 6 have kind of finished their character arcs to a greater or lesser degree. Twilight is a princess (and, I'd maintain, a good one and without the issues of early series Twilight), RD is in the wonderbolts, Rarity has a whole line of stores, etc. It's not like they're completely played out and need to be put on the bus or anything, but I think the show is trying to bring in new characters with new quirks to explore. Trixie was just an established one with a lot of fans.

I hope it continues, though. I even put "Trixie POV episode" on my bingo card :allears:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:51 am

I mean the actual Mane 6 in this episode barely counted as characters. Most of them got like one line if they were lucky. For story reasons they were hustled offstage to make room for the new gang, but even so it feels like the writers are having a lot more fun playing around with what kind of comic relief / straight man characters they can make out of Starlight and Trixie than the same old comfortable ones they've been batting around for six years. It's a whole new dynamic that the show's never had before, and I'll bet they're tickled pink to have the opportunity to stretch out in a new direction.

Random aside: I was in a meeting room today with a couple of ladies roughly my age who were sitting around waiting for a meeting on management principles to start, and we were playing around on our phones looking up MBTI analysis pages and chortling over all the wacky movie/book/toy-related ones we kept finding. "Harry Potter ... Nickelodeon... oh my god, there's a My Little Pony one? ISTJ: You are Twilight Sparkle. I mean, are the my little ponies seriously different enough personalities that you can even do this?"

me: :whatsup: :fluttershock:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:40 am

Octavia wrote:Literally bottling up her anger :fluttershock:



As opposed to -
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VGAddict wrote:Is it just me, or is Trixie completely oblivious in this episode?

She's never been this bad before. It's like she's this way just for the sake of the episode


She's taken on Pinkie levels of oblivious and giddy, even skipping.



Gosh, never realized how much I missed new episodes. :yay:

I think the animation is about as good as it's going to get given the budget / scope / whatever but there's a few details here and there that make for more expression

In previous seasons his feet were flat - but here he is wiggling his toes while reading that Archie comic
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Spike takes off his glove and gestures like this - which is way more one off expression than what you'd see in S3 or earlier.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:25 am

Just Scuds wrote:Image And it's not as if a door to door teacup salesman knocked on the front door of our tree palace and I bought everything he had.

:-I A sales-whatsit now?
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Postby Ransom (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:30 pm

Being able to transfigure or teleport objects like that would, if we took it seriously, have pretty far reaching effects for Equestria's economy. They really should be a Star Trek style post scarcity society. I wonder what sort of laws are on the books for people abusing a money counterfeiting spell that would wreck the economy? Are bits like latinum, made of a substance that cannot be magically reproduced?
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:50 pm

:prettywings: An imprint of me is on every coin, which keeps them honest.
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I suppose this episode does retread a bit of an old trope with 'character has a secret and they spend the entire episode keeping it hidden from each other. This probably works best when the characters aren't old friends who've been with each other forever. I'm missing that a bit from season one, but Starlight's 'keeping her worst traits at bay' adds quite a bit to it.

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:42 pm

I like that Spike feels in no way responsible for Starlight and Trixie, he just wants to read his comics in peace. He's not #1 Assistant to the whole world, you know!

Bremen wrote:It's not like they're completely played out and need to be put on the bus or anything, but I think the show is trying to bring in new characters with new quirks to explore. Trixie was just an established one with a lot of fans.


There's a different and potentially more varied dynamic with Starlight/Trixie because it's just those two. Starlight is not in a Mane Six of her own, where each friend has a different strong personality and it's easy to see where the friction comes from. Starlight and Trixie can have any kind of friendship problem and it will always be a Starlight and Trixie plot.

I'm not saying our Mane Six are one-note characters; but they all have broad recognizable traits which favor using one or the other for a particular story. For instance, if you wanted to explore a friendship problem where someone's being stubborn and muleheaded (no offense), any of the Mane Six could fill that role, but I bet you're picturing Applejack right now. Basically, friendships are complicated and when you've got six distinct characters, you can bounce them together in different ways to make the conflict you want to portray.

It's different with Starlight and Trixie because it's just the two of them, which means they each have to embody ALL the spectrum of qualities and flaws at different times. That doesn't mean they don't have their own personalities -- but just like real people, we're all muleheaded sometimes, or silly, or prissy, or blunt, depending on circumstances. That's why Trixie, originally a caricature, is now much more fleshed out -- she needs to be capable of being a lot of different things. There are fewer stories possible if she's simply The Smug One, even if her smugness is central to her other traits.

So if the writers want to tell a Starlight/Trixie story and someone needs to be the stubborn pony, they can't bring in the Applejack-equivalent because there is none. Either Starlight/Trixie need to be complex enough to be stubborn sometimes, or it's established by the external circumstances of the plot, and either way, it encourages good writing.

then either Trixie needs to be "real" enough that it would make sense, or it needs to be justified by the circumstances of the plot
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:18 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I like that Spike feels in no way responsible for Starlight and Trixie, he just wants to read his comics in peace. He's not #1 Assistant to the whole world, you know!


This is a great post :gotcha:
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:03 pm

I liked this episode.

Glimmer and Trixie make a great team. I have always liked their interactions. The moral of the episode was good and it was presented in rather clever way (Glimmer literally bottled up her anger).
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:24 pm

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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon May 15, 2017 3:35 pm

This was a good episode.

The best thing about the pony show for me has always been summed up by this image:

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i.e. soooper cute cartoon animals who are constantly PISSED OFF because of all the BULLSHIT, I mean get a load of this flying horse trying to get tickets she didn't even earn, it's total bullshit right

The best pony eps are the ones where the ponies kinda hate each others' guts (Look Before You Sleep was great at establishing this tone). But as the show has evolved the characters have become much less dysfunctional, which makes sense. But is also boring. And while I'm sure the puzzle room B-story in this episode was written to provide an ironic counterpoint to the A-story, it still just kind of sat there.

So thank god for:



How much fun are these two? Especially when they're aware of their status as ex-villains and "bad girls" and use that to set themselves apart from the goody-goody stars of the show? ("What even IS a 'friendship retreat'?" "We are going to have SO much more fun than they are.")

And as villains they have really strong negative personality traits. They're not trying to hold those in check either (Starlight becomes boring whenever she's trying to impress Twilight but here she's more honest).

This Trixie is the best Trixie. Infuriating, but also funny ("best hair") and surprisingly likeable when she gets excited about something (like the teacups).
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 15, 2017 5:14 pm

I love you very much Pictish.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon May 15, 2017 7:22 pm

PictishBeast wrote:This was a good episode.

The best thing about the pony show for me has always been summed up by this image:

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i.e. soooper cute cartoon animals who are constantly PISSED OFF because of all the BULLSHIT, I mean get a load of this flying horse trying to get tickets she didn't even earn, it's total bullshit right

The best pony eps are the ones where the ponies kinda hate each others' guts (Look Before You Sleep was great at establishing this tone). But as the show has evolved the characters have become much less dysfunctional, which makes sense. But is also boring. And while I'm sure the puzzle room B-story in this episode was written to provide an ironic counterpoint to the A-story, it still just kind of sat there.

So thank god for:



How much fun are these two? Especially when they're aware of their status as ex-villains and "bad girls" and use that to set themselves apart from the goody-goody stars of the show? ("What even IS a 'friendship retreat'?" "We are going to have SO much more fun than they are.")

And as villains they have really strong negative personality traits. They're not trying to hold those in check either (Starlight becomes boring whenever she's trying to impress Twilight but here she's more honest).

This Trixie is the best Trixie. Infuriating, but also funny ("best hair") and surprisingly likeable when she gets excited about something (like the teacups).


Are empty quotes okay now?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon May 15, 2017 11:11 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:
Are empty quotes okay now?
It's Pictish posting about S7 episodes. Sure! :allears:
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