S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 1:29 am

AlliterativeAxolotl wrote:Actually it was Celestia who chose the people

:pcstare: Tiny round marshmallow horses? Oh well, you take what you get.


:gotcha: :"Better than the Egyptians - they got a weird falcon headed guy wearing the sun for a hat! Whatta dork!"
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 1:35 am

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I had the feeling that the beautiful song the alicorns performed for Twilight might sound really nice at a slower pace and a lower key.
What do you guys think?

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 1:42 am

Tough to tell with them having deeper voices in that edit. I think it improved Twilight's part (which I really didn't care for much), but don't think it helps the other three's segment.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 1:46 am

^ Twilight sounds like Celestia in that version. :gotcha:
Wylie wrote:Celestia isn't nearly the chessmaster everyone seems to want to think she is. She's wise, almost preternaturally so, but she's not infallible. Which is why it kinda bugs me that everything that happens in these season-bookend adventures gets wrangled into All Just A Part Of Celestia's Master Plan™.

I guess the trouble with Chessmaster Celestia is that literally any happy ending turns into some insanely convoluted prophetic foresight.

Celestia sent Discord out, who failed, then sent Twilight out with an arbitrary restriction that didn't help her, but the day was saved because Discord backslid, Twilight wasn't captured with the others, her powers couldn't just be absorbed immediately, Discord was brought back in a bubble along with her friends, he was moved by her friendship, and they didn't get trampled underfoot by Tirek while running off to unlock the box.

Or when Sombra showed up, why tell Twilight she had to do everything alone? Could she really foresee that Twilight would bring Spike, and she would choose the good of the kingdom over herself?

If Celestia has that kind of freaky foresight, why would anyone ever attack Equestria? She'd have to be some kind of extradimensional supercomputer that calculates the optimal victory condition for every episode.

That idea that she has some sort of vague sense of fate or destiny is more appealing because she can still be wrong sometimes, even if the ponies ultimately succeed because she is good at picking competent underlings. And with a good poker face, she can still get away with pretending to be a pre-cog.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 1:52 am

Maybe, just maybe, when Celestia tells Twilight that the best thing is to relax and take things as they come, she's saying what she actually believes. :-/
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 2:18 am

I won't lie, I would love it if this happens in season 5.

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Postby Wildfire (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 2:32 am

Mr. Big wrote:I won't lie, I would love it if this happens in season 5.

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Bringing on the feels. :cry:
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 2:35 am

The Doctor wrote:Tough to tell with them having deeper voices in that edit. I think it improved Twilight's part (which I really didn't care for much), but don't think it helps the other three's segment.


I think Twilight's part - and the 'Your Time Is Coming Soon' refrain - are both very nice at the low key.
The rest is ok I guess, haha.
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Just start stacking books next to the sapling!!

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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:23 am

Do you happen to know how much you lowered the key? I'd love to hear the harmony at regular speed, but in the lower key.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 4:18 am

I can't believe I didn't get this reference in the episode:

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It's so obvious now. :facehoof:
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 4:19 am

Well, shit! Now I can't un-see it.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 4:22 am

I love how the pop culture references in Pony doesn't look like pop culture reference unless you look real hard :allears:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 4:24 am

Mr. Big wrote:I love how the pop culture references in Pony doesn't look like pop culture reference unless you look real hard :allears:


Great pop culture jokes are the ones you don't realize are pop culture jokes. MLP doesn't need to beat you over the head with a bat, screaming "LOOK AT WHAT I JUST DID!"
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 5:04 am

Just like poor Chewie... :fluttersmith:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 6:05 am

Wildfire wrote:I can't believe I didn't get this reference in the episode:

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It's so obvious now. :facehoof:


If that's the case, why didn't Discord just stab Tirek in the face like the real T 1000 would do? :v:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 6:32 am

Mr. Big wrote:I won't lie, I would love it if this happens in season 5.

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:excite: :"This book is overdue! That'll be two bits!"
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 6:34 am

That would be absolutely amazing and I would love it if that happened as well.
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 11:50 am

So we got a Terminator reference and a DBZ style fight in the same episode?

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 11:56 am

Even better; it's a Terminator 2 Judgement Day reference. :allears:
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:14 pm

Here's a little headcanon about the keys:
The box did not contain anything. The keys didn't really open it, they sort of powered it up. The box is more like a crucible or a catalyst than a treasure chest. Each key was imbued with its respective element by themselves and the pony(/breezie/draconequus) that granted it to them. They're actually more like batteries than keys, and the box helped mix them together to create something they could use. Thus, the Rainbow Power™ isn't magic gifted by the Tree of Harmony; the Tree merely provided them the means to create new magic.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 3:28 pm

So...The Tree of Harmony is like the Monolith from 2001? It didn't provide the hominids with tools, it provided them with the intelligence to use them.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 7:44 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:So...The Tree of Harmony is like the Monolith from 2001? It didn't provide the hominids with tools, it provided them with the intelligence to use them.


Well, now I want a "Dawn of Pony" segment in Ponies Anthology 4.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 8:51 pm

I want to see AJ throw an apple into the air, it goes up and up and suddenly turns into an apple-shaped satellite orbiting Equestria.

:squintyjack: None of that fancy music, though. "Raise This Barn."

:starity: Applejack...you cannot be serious.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 10:10 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:
Well, now I want a "Dawn of Pony" segment in Ponies Anthology 4.


Isn't there an extended 2001 segment in Anthology 2? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Thu May 15, 2014 10:39 pm

The Doctor wrote:Just like poor Chewie... :fluttersmith:


You did hear that the entire EU for Star Wars is non-canonical save for the Clone Wars cartoons, right? That and the actual movies.

So no more "Chewie gets mooned" being legit. It's all just high-class fanfiction now. :)
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 4:54 am

Wylie wrote:Do you happen to know how much you lowered the key? I'd love to hear the harmony at regular speed, but in the lower key.

I made it roughly a little higher than 2 semi-tones down (eg: D to C ) , or ' -11 %' speed in most editors.
In something like Audacity, proper 2 semi-tones down is actually -10.91 on the pitch, but I couldn't figure out how to make the video editor get that precise...
What I'm implying is, it'd probably sound a teeny bit more 'natural' and 'right if you can do -10.91, or whatever.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 6:10 am

Wylie wrote:
Isn't there an extended 2001 segment in Anthology 2? :pinkieshrug:


Yep, and it was absolutely awesome. They even parodied the MGM logo at the beginning and did the shuttle docking sequence. Twilight was Dave and Pinkie with a spatula swatting cupcakes was the Dawn Of Pony segment.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 1:02 pm

"Now you know we have the tactical advantage, Tirek."
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"What have you done?"
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"I have outsmarted you. Our second victory is assured."
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Wanted to put this on the 'is Celestia a chessmaster' thread, but figured this was too soon and too spoilery. :gotcha:
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Postby Venusy (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 1:28 pm

Spoiler moratorium is over, and most of the comments in there mention Twilight's Kingdom.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 1:53 pm

Her expression in Panel 3 reminds me so much of Two Best Sisters Play for some reason.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 2:19 pm

Dexanth wrote:Her expression in Panel 3 reminds me so much of Two Best Sisters Play for some reason.


Can't imagine why.

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 2:25 pm

That "you lose, Tirek" screenshot is one of the best looking Celly pics I've seen, along with her "No, you won't" face before her showdown with Chrysalis.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 2:32 pm

There's something about her face in that final screenshot that looks so amazing...it floors me that they have such awesome expressions.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 3:40 pm

:gotcha: oh Tirek please don't throw us into Tartarus with Ceberus. He's just so vicious.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 5:14 pm

I did love that smirk Celestia gave Tirek. Touches like that do make me think they at least care about Celestia characterization. She just needs an episode like "Luna Eclipsed" or "Three's a Crowd" where she can be a secondary protagonist.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 5:27 pm

One thing I find interesting is that ponies apparently like, are partially fueled by magic, since every magic-drained pony is laying about like they've been aged multiple decades and/or are completely exhausted.

I suppose it's possible the process just leaves them super enervated, except the Princesses look -worse- in Tartarus than right after they pass magic to Twilight (Aka, filmy eyes in Tartarus, clear eyes in the castle).

Though, the Mane 6 look -better- as time goes on. So I suppose there's no consistency there.

Cataract-eyes are creepy :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 6:08 pm

Dexanth wrote:Though, the Mane 6 look -better- as time goes on. So I suppose there's no consistency there.

It could be that the power of their friendship was already generating fresh magic, enough to at least restore the life to their eyes and a bit of vitality to their bodies.


Did Spike have the same effect in his eyes? I was watching this episode on my crappy old TV and I couldn't tell. I'm actually surprised they didn't do anything special with him, given that (aside from Discord) he is the only non-pony creature that Tirek attacked.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 6:10 pm

Dexanth wrote:One thing I find interesting is that ponies apparently like, are partially fueled by magic, since every magic-drained pony is laying about like they've been aged multiple decades and/or are completely exhausted.

I suppose it's possible the process just leaves them super enervated, except the Princesses look -worse- in Tartarus than right after they pass magic to Twilight (Aka, filmy eyes in Tartarus, clear eyes in the castle).

Though, the Mane 6 look -better- as time goes on. So I suppose there's no consistency there.

Cataract-eyes are creepy :-I


Yes. Yes they are.

Oh the nightmares I had after seeing this as a kid:

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(...Which I'm all but positive is the reference they were making)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 16, 2014 6:14 pm

Hmm, judging from the style, that character is from either The Dark Crystal or Labyrinth. I can't remember which one... :ponder:
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