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Re: Equestria Timeline Project

Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:23 pm

Still waiting for my Journal :fluttersmith:

In the meantime, anyone read the Celestia Micro recently? I've just realised there's an attack on Canterlot directly referenced in that one that we don't see or hear about anywhere else.

We can date it roughly based on Professor Inkwell's age; in the present day she looks at least as old as Granny Smith (who we've previously put at somewhere around 100 years old), and in the flashback to the battle she looks to be at least the Mane 6's age (presumed 20-ish), probably a little closer to 30. That would put the attack on Canterlot at around 70 BF.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:55 pm

Given the number of attacks we see in the show, I have to think while mostly peaceful, there were plenty of crisis that developed over the course of the 1000 years Celestia reigned alone.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:34 am

The Doctor wrote:Given the number of attacks we see in the show, I have to think while mostly peaceful, there were plenty of crisis that developed over the course of the 1000 years Celestia reigned alone.

I don't think he was questioning the canonicity of the attack described. I agree with you; considering how many villains and other bad guys we've met in just the few years since the beginning of the series, I am certain that hundreds more such events were quelled before then.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:49 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I don't think he was questioning the canonicity of the attack described. I agree with you; considering how many villains and other bad guys we've met in just the few years since the beginning of the series, I am certain that hundreds more such events were quelled before then.


Yup. All told, for an empire of pretty pastel ponies, Equestria is actually quite a dangerous place to live. If the periods before (Sombra, Discord, Tirek and Scorpan, Windigos, probably a bunch more) and after (every villain under the sun/moon) Luna's banishment are anything to go by, Celestia's solo rule would've been quite a handful too.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:02 am

I always thought Inkwell seemed older than the mane 6 at the time of the flashback. No way to tell for sure, but I got a more mature vibe from her than we see from the others.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:57 am

A lot of the show is often composed very halfhazardly - given how Celestia raising the sun in Cutie Mark Chronicles involved Celestia in ceremonial garb and sweating & exerting herself in the first draft, and Lauren's response was, in part 'Make it really Sailor Moon like, where the magic makes her hair whip around & crap'

So at least for Season 1, things were being made up literally on the fly. Or in response to Standards & Practices. Applebonk Season and Cutie Mark Crusaders Tightrope Walkers :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:17 am

Dexanth wrote:A lot of the show is often composed very halfhazardly - given how Celestia raising the sun in Cutie Mark Chronicles involved Celestia in ceremonial garb and sweating & exerting herself in the first draft, and Lauren's response was, in part 'Make it really Sailor Moon like, where the magic makes her hair whip around & crap'

Wait, is this real? I've actually never heard that story.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:27 am

Dexanth wrote:A lot of the show is often composed very halfhazardly - given how Celestia raising the sun in Cutie Mark Chronicles involved Celestia in ceremonial garb and sweating & exerting herself in the first draft, and Lauren's response was, in part 'Make it really Sailor Moon like, where the magic makes her hair whip around & crap'

So at least for Season 1, things were being made up literally on the fly. Or in response to Standards & Practices. Applebonk Season and Cutie Mark Crusaders Tightrope Walkers :gotcha:


Maybe she was sweating because the ceremonial garb is heavy and hot?

:pcstare: worse than that awful coronation dress it is....
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:14 am

The Doctor wrote:I always thought Inkwell seemed older than the mane 6 at the time of the flashback. No way to tell for sure, but I got a more mature vibe from her than we see from the others.


I'd agree with that. 35-40 maybe?

Dexanth wrote:A lot of the show is often composed very halfhazardly - given how Celestia raising the sun in Cutie Mark Chronicles involved Celestia in ceremonial garb and sweating & exerting herself in the first draft, and Lauren's response was, in part 'Make it really Sailor Moon like, where the magic makes her hair whip around & crap'

So at least for Season 1, things were being made up literally on the fly. Or in response to Standards & Practices. Applebonk Season and Cutie Mark Crusaders Tightrope Walkers :gotcha:


Huh, neat! Glad they went in the direction they did with Celestia.

In related news, my Journal finally arrived. Will get stuck in tonight.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:17 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Wait, is this real? I've actually never heard that story.


That's because it only came out in MA Larson panels at recent cons :-P
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:16 am

Let's hear more of these stories. :allears:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:36 pm

Dexanth wrote:
That's because it only came out in MA Larson panels at recent cons :-P

I can't help but get the feeling that he might have made that up.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:01 pm

Yeah, I feel like that's something they'd explore in a future episode, and it wouldn't be that.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:09 pm

On my second run through the Journal now, making notes this time. I'll copy-paste a few of the more interesting things I've come across:

Celestia says something interesting about the coronation. She notes that being crowned Princess beside Luna "almost felt like something I'd lived before... like deja vu." She goes on to talk about playing Princesses with her sister back in Canterlot, but it'd be kinda weird for that to be what she meant with the deja vu remark. Deja vu typically refers to a feeling of familiarity you can't pin down, not clearly remembering when you play-acted something as a child. Could be nothing, but it caught my eye.

Also interesting hearing Celestia talking about age. She mentions the feeling of being "...surrounded by so many ponies who have their cutie marks and are so much younger than we are", which is interesting phrasing. "So much younger" implies quite a gap, and typical cutie mark age seems to be between 10 and 15 for regular ponies. So for the ponies Celestia is refering to have their cutie marks and still be "so much younger" than Celestia and Luna, the sisters would have to be biologically in their twenties at the very least, right? Possibly even much older?

The plot thickens. Luna talks about searching for where to put their new castle in her next entry, mentioning a desire for somewhere quiet and remote. The Everfree forest is mentioned, and Luna soon discovers the Tree of Harmony within, not knowing at the time what it is (besides something powerful and significant).

We soon learn that Star Swirl already knows what the tree is (Celestia too, though she has always assumed it to be a legend). This is becoming suspicious now. Star Swirl knowing about the tree wouldn't be questionable on its own, but given that it was also Star Swirl who told the sisters about the Everfree Forest in the first place makes it start to smell like a deliberate sequence of events.

Star Swirl found the sisters. Star Swirl made them Princesses. Star Swirl led them to the Tree of Harmony. Star Swirl encouraged them to build their castle above it. He evens drops some shady hints about how building close to the tree will help them "protect Equestria". He really seems to know exactly what do and when to do it, does old Star Swirl.


Lots of interesting little bits in this book!
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:11 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I can't help but get the feeling that he might have made that up.


No, it is very clear in the script notes. We weren't allowed to take pictures though :twonk:

Headless Horse wrote:Let's hear more of these stories. :allears:


Uhh, other things. Scootaloo having a Rainbow Dash infatuation became a thing to allow the plot of Cutie Mark Chronicles to drive forward. Filly Applejack was first written as prissy as modern Rarity. Aunt & Uncle Orange got their names so Lauren could make an Apples & Oranges joke. The No Laughter, No Joy, Only Rocks was a gag Larson threw into the outline that made it all the way and drew a 'hahaha!!!!' with 4 exclamads from Lauren.

Scootaloo originally quoted Dickens right before Cutie Mark Crusaders Zipliners. Rarity's school play was going to be about the pony food groups which is why they are in bedazzled food costumes.

And, most importantly, 'We better harvest the rocks from the north field tomorrow. Winter's Coming' :moonie:

Oh, no, wait, and the one Season 5 Spoiler : Princess Big Mac :awesomedash:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:10 am

Quite a few updates since the last time I posted here. In light of the impending release of EG2, I've gone and re-examined some of the Sunset Shimmer stuff in an attempt to be more complete. I've accepted by this point that the production team are weaving EG and FiM quite closely together, so it looks like I'll have to follow suit!

I've also updated the layout a little, and started bringing some pictures in. I've also added an explanation on how the Era system works at the bottom, which I think might actually be more confusing than helpful :-I

As always, feedback and suggestions are very welcome (particularly regarding the Sunset Shimmer stuff, at the moment).

Check it out here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/165HiA4rvdFF9KgCLnikqv-hSnSiU_uHZRJwD3-vba8s/edit?usp=sharing
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Postby Sobana (?) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:09 am

I thought Sunset Shimmer left before Twilight showed up. Also your missing a lot of lore from your time line...
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:33 am

Sobana wrote:I thought Sunset Shimmer left before Twilight showed up. Also your missing a lot of lore from your time line...


For the former, one of my key pieces of evidence is this panel (and a few around it) from the EG Annual:

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As to the latter, I'm always keen to hear any suggestions you might have! I'm trying to focus on key events at the moment though, so there's loads of smaller events that won't have made the cut.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:51 pm

If you look at Twilight in that comic, she's still a blank flank. So, it looks like Sunset leaves the picture before Twilight gets her Cutie Mark, meaning she's not Celestia's student yet.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:50 am

Dexanth wrote:If you look at Twilight in that comic, she's still a blank flank. So, it looks like Sunset leaves the picture before Twilight gets her Cutie Mark, meaning she's not Celestia's student yet.


Good spot! There's a little wiggle room to be had in that time period - we see Twilight hanging out with Cadance and Shining before Sunset gets the boot, but a period of "weeks" pass before we actually see the aforementioned booting. That's certainly a long enough period of time for Twilight to have gotten her cutie mark in, if we had a reason to believe that might be the case.

I thought I was on to a really good theory regarding Twilight's early life (as I'm working towards nailing down when she and the others got their marks), but a closer look at Canterlot Wedding Part 1 just kinda killed it. I had it in my head that the timeline went like this:

1) At some point before the events of the "Neigh Anything" comic, Twilight is foal-sat by Cadance for the first time.
2) Cadance and Shining meet up, and some of the events of "Neigh Anything" occur. We know at this point that Twilight doesn't have her cutie mark yet and is still living with her parents.
3/4) Sunset Shimmer is dismissed by Princess Celestia
3/4) Twilight Sparkle gains her cutie mark and becomes Celestia's student. Twilight then moves into a room in Canterlot Castle as a kind of boarding-student, where Cadance continues to occasionally foalsit her.
5) This ultimately leads to the start of FiM, where Twilight seems to be living on-campus at the Castle with Spike.

3 and 4 are difficult to place at the moment. Anyway, the big killer was this:

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To me, that looks a lot like Twilight moving into a room in the Castle. She has a chest of her stuff, she appears to be unpacking Smarty Pants... it all made sense! Only problem? No cutie mark. If she'd had her mark there, it all would've fit.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:57 am

I thought Celestia said that Sunset was before Twilight, so I just assume that means she left before Twilight become her new student... :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:00 am

Sobana wrote:I thought Celestia said that Sunset was before Twilight, so I just assume that means she left before Twilight become her new student... :pinkieshrug:


I think I vaguely recall something like that... d'you think it was in Equestria Girls? I'll check it out later tonight. Depending on how she words it, it might be a nice concrete statement.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:06 am

Yep, I think it was from EQGs. Right after she disappeared into the mirror and Celestia explained everything.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:47 am

Sobana wrote:Yep, I think it was from EQGs. Right after she disappeared into the mirror and Celestia explained everything.


I've just taken a look, and the line goes like this:

Sunset Shimmer, a former student of mine. She began her studies with me not long before Twilight.


As per usual, it's incredibly vague! It puts a rough date on when Sunset began her studies, but doesn't clue us in on whether or not Sunset was still being tutored when Twilight became Celestia's student too. I've gone ahead and put the two events in the same year for now.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:10 am

Celestial does seem like the kind to take two students at the same time.

It seems like when they were writing the story they didn't realize how serious the fans would take it...
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:12 am

Sobana wrote:Celestial does seem like the kind to take two students at the same time.

It seems like when they were writing the story they didn't realize how serious the fans would take it...


While I'm certain that's true, I can assure that this project and everything I say in regards to it, however serious I may sound, is done in the spirit of both fun and the needless fannish tendency to want to arrange stuff in a pleasing order :ponynet:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:33 am

By taking it serious I meant that this is the first generation that anyone cared enough to ask about the chronicle order of events. :v:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:39 am

It's funny how time seems to move faster in Equestria then in the human world, save maybe the three days the portal connects the two. But hey, as Granny Smith said...Magic is as magic does. It's just funny that way. :v:


And then again there's the fact time is irrelivant to fictional characters outside of being used for plot device.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:31 pm

I think that and mainly because they have direct control over the length of days and season. Why would they make a day a 24 hour peroid? Or if you could control the number of days in a year why have it at an odd number like 365? Any reasonable culture would use a more semantic number system like having 100 days in a year or even 1000 days. It would be easier to count that way... :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:29 am

Sobana wrote:I think that and mainly because they have direct control over the length of days and season. Why would they make a day a 24 hour peroid? Or if you could control the number of days in a year why have it at an odd number like 365? Any reasonable culture would use a more semantic number system like having 100 days in a year or even 1000 days. It would be easier to count that way... :pinkieshrug:


I'd never have thought of it that way... nice idea, I like it!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:35 am

:vogue: It's the first Octidi in Germinal, time for Winter Wrap Up!
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:58 am

Until we see a calendar we can't say for sure. For now it is just logical guessing on my part.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:09 am

Equestrian Days are wacky in that Celestia and Luna can, if desired, make them longer or shorter. Of course, if one accepts Word of Faust, doing so would play havoc with the temperature. Although I suppose Celestia could move the sun nearer/further away to counteract that.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:47 am

Dexanth wrote:Equestrian Days are wacky in that Celestia and Luna can, if desired, make them longer or shorter. Of course, if one accepts Word of Faust, doing so would play havoc with the temperature. Although I suppose Celestia could move the sun nearer/further away to counteract that.


It's a good thing Celestia isn't the mischievous type. Imagine the trouble you could cause with the ability to imperceptibly add or subtract time from the day!
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:19 pm

:twonk:

If anyone's still interested, I'm working on unravelling the surprisingly huge nightmare that is the timing of events relating to Rainbow Rocks.

If you've seen the film and you'd like to help me not go insane, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what I've got pencilled in so far. You'll find the relevant bits at the very beginning of the timeline, and then to a larger degree at the very end.

LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/165HiA4rvdFF9KgCLnikqv-hSnSiU_uHZRJwD3-vba8s/edit?usp=sharing
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:47 am

I've just completed work on the Equestria Timeline Project 2.0. Changes from the original include:

• Wider page layout allowing for bigger, more readable text
• Tweaked era system that is (hopefully) a little less obtuse
• Much bigger pictures (and heaps more of them)
• A generally more carefully designed look that should be both nicer stylistically and easier to read
• A variety of small event tweaks and changes

Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jynNkhiCH09yrelw-YOgg8AID8gcJcUYf0XMtSl1huM/edit?usp=sharing

As always, feedback and discussion are very welcome.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:06 am

I think it's a bit off, the Sirens were around during the reign of the two sister. Anything involving Starswirl is during the two sisters.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:15 am

Sobana wrote:I think it's a bit off, the Sirens were around during the reign of the two sister. Anything involving Starswirl is during the two sisters.


You could be right. The primary reason why I've placed the Sirens vs Star Swirl before Celestia and Luna entered the picture is that neither Celestia nor Luna are mentioned in Twilight's book. Given that their whole deal was to be protectors of Equestria, it seems kinda weird that Star Swirl would do all the work while they don't even get a mention.

As for Star Swirl himself, thanks to the Journal we know that he was knocking around with the Unicorns for a while before Celestia and Luna hit the scene.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:24 am

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You could be right. The primary reason why I've placed the Sirens vs Star Swirl before Celestia and Luna entered the picture is that neither Celestia nor Luna are mentioned in Twilight's book. Given that their whole deal was to be protectors of Equestria, it seems kinda weird that Star Swirl would do all the work while they don't even get a mention.

As for Star Swirl himself, thanks to the Journal we know that he was knocking around with the Unicorns for a while before Celestia and Luna hit the scene.


IIRC, don't the Sirens refer to "Equestrian magic"? That might indicate that they existed after the founding of Equestria (or at least were banished after the founding of Equestria). Though honestly I could see it going either way, and nothing in the journal says that the Alicorn sisters became princesses immediately after the founding of Equestria, either; the sirens could have been between the founding and Celestia and Luna's coronation, which given their modus operandi might even explain why the three races decided they needed a neutral party in charge to prevent fighting.

Edit: You talk about time travel in the notes; I guess I just assumed the Sirens had been around the EqG world for over a thousand years.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:30 am

Bremen wrote:
IIRC, don't the Sirens refer to "Equestrian magic"? That might indicate that they existed after the founding of Equestria (or at least were banished after the founding of Equestria). Though honestly I could see it going either way, and nothing in the journal says that the Alicorn sisters became princesses immediately after the founding of Equestria, either; the sirens could have been between the founding and Celestia and Luna's coronation, which given their modus operandi might even explain why the three races decided they needed a neutral party in charge to prevent fighting.


Ooh, this is good stuff! I'd forgotten that the Sirens mention Equestria, so that definitely shifts events past the federation of the tribes. I like your thinking about the placement too; I'll shift this one to the point between the founding of Equestria and Celestia and Luna's coronation.

Thanks for the thoughts, folks!
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