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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 11:40 pm

Perhaps the answer to such questions will be given... tomorrow? :ponder:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 11:48 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Perhaps the answer to such questions will be given... tomorrow? :ponder:

But we want it now! :flail:
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 11:53 pm

That is basically this forum in a nutshell.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri May 09, 2014 11:59 pm

A bit of startling lack of faith here. I think it would be interesting if Celestia has a bit of a fault in judgment, truly afraid of Tirek's power. In that case, the student would have really surpassed her mentor, and Twilight would really come into her own as a Princess. Hell, she could literally specifically be a Princess of Friendship.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:01 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Something I just realized, isn't there something wrong with Celestia saying that the rest of the Mane 6 shouldn't be able to help in anything? I mean, she was the one who made Twilight make friends in the first place, rather than simply assigning her other ponies to take up the elements. It's stuff like this that kind of irks me about this finale. She new the friends would become the elements, but if they're no good to anything else to her (in her eyes) what's the point?


I got the meaning from that statement that it's more of a "Telling them will put them in danger" than "Don't tell them because they can't help". If Twilight having this magic needs to be kept secret because Tirek doesn't know about her it makes sense. He's been in Tartarus and might not know about her.

:ponder: But I guess that doesn't explain how he would know about Cadance. I am assuming that Tirek is a very very old enemy...
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:30 am

Well, holy crap, I just took a look at the title and synopsis. This ought be really big, so it better be good!

Four season finales, guys. Four years. What are we even doing to ourselves? :gonkity:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 1:38 am

I'm so Nervouscited about the Finale tomorrow, What if it's to awesome for me to handle!? What if I explode, twice!? :-D
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 2:49 am

One last preview image:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 2:55 am

Aww, Discord is giving Spike a hug.

Fluttershy should be more happy about getting a hug from her friend.

:amazing: never change, Pinkie.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:03 am

Discord loves AJ best :twasnothin:
:party: A pony, a plan, a canal...Panamare!
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:33 am

Mr. Big wrote:One last preview image:

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Collect All The Ponies!!! :twonk:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:03 am

And one last thought: I just realized how much of a back seat the Rainbow Power has taken here. Last year Twilight's ascension overshadowed everything about the finale, but not this time. I do still hope it won't dominate the story here.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:12 am

I'm guessing Rainbow Power will just be the last 5 minutes max . The rest will be pure awesomeness!!! :awesomedash:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:23 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:I'm guessing Rainbow Power will just be the last 5 minutes max . The rest will be pure awesomeness!!! :awesomedash:


Well, I think the power itself is certainly going to be revealed at the end, but I would guess that Twilight's efforts to open the box will take up a good chunk of the episode.

Which begs the question as to where the final showdown takes place. The 5 don't carry around their key items. Do they warp in? Do they run home to get them? Do the special ponies bring them to the group ( :gotcha: surprise Weird Al song?)?
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:29 am

Discord turns into a human at the end of the episode :amazing:

"He's actually a prince!" :spike101:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:30 am

Ransom wrote:Discord turns into a human at the end of the episode :amazing:

"He's actually a prince!" :spike101:


Discord is Megan. :gotcha:
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:32 am

Discord's not going to turn out bad. Cause that'd make Fluttershy look really really bad and this show isn't heavy enough for that.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:33 am

Me, I'm more hype for all the little side things we're getting here.

We're going to see Tartarus. Pony Hell, ladies and gents. Season 4 is literally opening a portal to Hell in the end.

We're going to have a bad guy that unlike Sombra has some character. We haven't had a REALLY bad one since Discord showed up!

How do you take an adorkable character who's finally getting used to her powers and put her through awkwardsville again? MOAR POWER.

Maaaaaybe some wrap ups of some of the mystery bits from earlier in the season?

Optimism, folks.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 6:29 am

Like you know how in G1 Megan was all like "the rainbow of light is only for emergencies" and then like the next episode she is using it to pick fruit from a tree with it? Some one needs to make a parody comic of that where Twilight is saying the Rainbow of Harmony is only for emergencies and have the next panel showing Applejack using it to pick apples with it... Just my funny thought... :flutterdear:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 10:34 am

Frosthawk wrote:Discord's not going to turn out bad. Cause that'd make Fluttershy look really really bad and this show isn't heavy enough for that.


He's been a toxic friend, a bully and complete asshole to Fluttershy and her friends the entire season. As far as I'm concerned he's already made not just Fluttershy, but the writers look bad as well.

Getting rid of him would teach a nice lesson about getting rid of toxic "friends", but I would be expecting too much from these writers to understand something like that. Especially Meghan, she is the one who thought bringing him back was a good idea in the first place.
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 10:53 am

Tailspin wrote:He's been a toxic friend, a bully and complete asshole to Fluttershy and her friends the entire season. As far as I'm concerned he's already made not just Fluttershy, but the writers look bad as well.

Getting rid of him would teach a nice lesson about getting rid of toxic "friends", but I would be expecting too much for these writers to understand something like that. Meghan is too concerned with making everything "epic" and how fricking hilarious Discord's behavior is.


I don't think he's been a jerk to Fluttershy at any point. He's constantly pushing to see exactly how loose the leash he's on is and what he can get away with, but only with everyone else.

In Three's a Crowd he's genuinely delighted to see her and chills out a lot after she gets back to town. I thought realigning him into a moderately-reformed Loki type in Princess Twilight Sparkle was a much more graceful way of dealing with his transformation, after Keep Calm and Flutter On seemed to run out of time.

Basically he seems like a reformed villain only in that he's not trying to take anything over, but he'll still indulge in any malicious behaviour he thinks he can get away with, up to and including putting people in danger. With the exception of Fluttershy, who he seems genuinely happy to be around and would probably go to bat for if the situation arose.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 10:59 am

So he's that kind of "friend" that's nice to you, but treats your other friends like shit. This show is teaching such wonderful lesson.
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:04 am

Tailspin wrote:So he's that kind of "friend" that's nice to you, but treats your other friends like shit. This show is teaching such wonderful lesson.


If there hadn't been a bunch of single-frame pop culture shout-outs in Discord's song would your outlook on him be this negative? Like I'm happy to discuss the abusive friend thing if that's genuinely what bothers you about Discord.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:06 am

Tears wrote:
If there hadn't been a bunch of single-frame pop culture shout-outs in Discord's song would your outlook on him be this negative? Like I'm happy to discuss the abusive friend thing if that's genuinely what bothers you about Discord.


Yes, I would still be this negative on him even if there weren't any pop culture referances, I have said that KCAFO is the worst episode ("tolerating abuse will change a bully") ever made and any episode that features him is garbage just by his presence.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:08 am

So he's an ambiguously reformed baddie. He polarizes people's opinions about whether to trust him or not. Ponies call him out on his assholish behavior and the dialogue frequently points out stuff like "that's not how friends act", often coming out of his mouth for extra irony points. What exactly is the problem here?
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:09 am

Headless Horse wrote:What exactly is the problem here?


He never gets called out and punished for his behavior and always gets away with bad behavior because the writers don't want to do it.
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:13 am

Tailspin wrote:
Yes, I would still be this negative on him even if there weren't any pop culture referances, I have said that KCAFO is the worst episode ever made and any episode that features him is garbage just by his presence.


Fair enough then :party:

I agree that KCaFO had his reformation happen incredibly quickly. It's a shame the episode had such a short turnaround time for the script because it definitely could have been more polished, it's crazy to me that you'd only give two days time to actually make the skeleton you're going to spend a year and hundreds of thousands of dollars turning into an episode.

But I feel like Meghan took the opportunity of Discord having a role in the premier to flesh out what actually happened with Discord in the end, something they didn't really touch on in KCaFO. I wasn't looking forward to him being back but I've ended up enjoying his last couple of appearances.

But I understand your reasons for not wanting him around and hope there's still other stuff you can enjoy in the finale :flutterunsmith:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:23 am

Probably the best thing for the show would have been to never mention Discord again after his defeat, sure. But it's a way harder proposition to try to bring him back from where they left him and to try to turn him into an ongoing part of the show, and to allow him to keep his Q-like snark without turning into a tiresomely never-fully-defeated arch-enemy they have to run up against over and over and over. What they're trying to do is fraught with pitfalls (the "what does it say about Fluttershy's willingness to trust him" thing, the "tolerating a bully will make him nice" thing, etc); but it's interesting. Way more interesting than either "Aw shit Shredder got away again" or "Hey remember that one bad guy with the celebrity voice from a million episodes ago? No? me either". Whether they're successful or not with it, I love to see them trying something new in the landscape of kids' cartoons, just as they always have.

Though of course it's not strictly "new". Really they're sticking pretty closely to the Trek model still; Discord's appearances correspond pretty closely with Q's in terms of frequency and theme. And if you look at it that way, where the cast's tolerance of him is the minimum they have to do in order to not piss him off or trigger some kind of major relapse, I think it's right in line with what anyone would do given the situation. The only thing keeping him in line right now is "friendship", not the Elements of Harmony or any threat of violence. It's very much the same thing that Q said kept him on the side of the Enterprise crew and not judging them to oblivion, even though every time he showed up he made life hell for them for 44 minutes. Everyone put up with it because they knew the alternative was a lot worse. There wasn't a moral about friendship in Star Trek (rather, "the worthiness of humanity to take part in the galactic community" or whatever), but that's the model they're trying to follow with Discord. And grafting "friendship" lessons onto it is just an extra ingredient in the soup that may or may not work in the end.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:37 am

This isn't Star Trek and I don't care how Star Trek did it.

Discord is a terrible character that was only good in his first episode and the best thing for him would've been to leave him stoned and forget he ever existed. He didn't need to be an "ongoing part of the show".

Tears wrote:But I understand your reasons for not wanting him around and hope there's still other stuff you can enjoy in the finale :flutterunsmith:


I doubt it, this is Meghan McCarthy we're talking about, she's already claimed how the episode is "epic" which means the episode going to be trying too hard to be all epic and worldchanging. And of course she a biiiiig fan of Discord, so he'll have a nice share of the screentime. These are both problems I had with Princess Twilight Sparkle and the only thing I liked there was Applejack's characterization, other then that I didn't like the episode.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 11:40 am

Keep Calm & Remain Hype!!! :party: Less then 2.5 hours I can't wait!!!

Also, Discord is awesome. :twiright:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:07 pm

Sobana wrote:Like you know how in G1 Megan was all like "the rainbow of light is only for emergencies" and then like the next episode she is using it to pick fruit from a tree with it? Some one needs to make a parody comic of that where Twilight is saying the Rainbow of Harmony is only for emergencies and have the next panel showing Applejack using it to pick apples with it... Just my funny thought... :flutterdear:


:-/ The Elements of Harmony are for emergencies only! They're priceless ancient magical artifacts since before the founding of Equestria!
:sadrarity: But ... But the necklace really ties this outfit together!
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:nnngh: Nnnnngh ... I'll take 'Discord's Motivations' for 400.
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:flutterdear: oh carp...

:flutterunsmith: Wait! That analogy works for simpler animals like snakes and scorpions, but you're literally a jumble of things. We never really know what you're going to do next!
:excellent: Keeps life interesting, doesn't it?
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Postby drunkill (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:27 pm

:amazing: Are you excited? Because I'm excited.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:30 pm

:ohgawd: I am super nervous.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:31 pm

1.5 hours! I'm so Nervouscited!!! :amazing: :hilarious:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:38 pm

I understand Headless's meta viewpoint on the matter of just enjoying seeing them trying to wade through the convolutions that come up because of Discord as a friend, but it really degraded TaC for me. Tl;dr from that epthread - I still don't know what his true motivations are, some people enjoy that, I personally am annoyed by that uncertainty.

It's definitely been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole so far. While Discord is iffy as a character, though, his visual gags and VAing partially make up for it.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 12:56 pm

It's almost time, but it's also almost over.

Let's end this season with a bang.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 1:02 pm

1 hour! My body isn't ready!!! :awesomedash:

If I explode, I leave all my stuff to Aramek & Applecobbler. :-P
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Postby harryhenry (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 1:14 pm

45 minutes! Can't wait! :yay: :anticipation:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 1:33 pm

OMG less then 30 minutes!!! :awesomedash: Are you excited cause I'm excited!!! :-D :-D :sweetielarm:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 1:48 pm

I have read absolutely nothing about this episode and I am extremely hyped over this! I won't even be posting in here until the episode's over, that's how serious I'm taking this! :excite:

Also, I think Discord is funny and cool and I like seeing him in the show.
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