S06E20: Viva Las Pegasus

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Re: S06E20: Viva Las Pegasus

Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:02 pm

Pulling down Gladmane's statue :whatsup:
:speakest: The fun has been doubled!
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:02 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:(in fact, it was packed enough to where Applejack and Fluttershy went to Las Pegasus in a jump-cut in the cold open, whereas most other map episodes have at least a whole scene for travel)

Yeah, that's something I noticed. By now, the audience knows the routine for the map episodes, so they skipped the train sequence for once. Made for a great intro, when they arrived at Las Pegasus.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:14 pm

This episode was real enjoyable.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:12 pm

I deal at a casino albeit an easy coast one. It's not this fun sadly. Nowhere near as much Skee Ball. And Skee Ball is best ball.

Was a good bit of fun though. A fine episode to drink a Pumpkin Spice Iced Coffee to. (It's not just for white chicks. THE SPICE MUST FLOW! Now where are the Eggo Pumpkin Spice Waffles? You put them in the oven and goodness arises.)
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:03 pm

I really enjoyed this one. The relationships between all of the key players were fun and surprising, and the new one-off characters and change of scenery were very welcome.

Most of all I'm glad the writers found something new and interesting to do with Flim and Flam. The worst thing this episode could've been was a retread of their old shtick, so I was very pleased to see it become something totally different.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:59 pm

Hahahaha holy shit what a fantastic episode.

I was starting to wonder if the show had it in itself anymore to come up with a super-memorable kindasorta-villain along the lines of Photo Finish, someone who was memorable and uniquely designed and quirky but not generically cartoon-goofy, but they sure did nail it here. Not only was Gladmane super fun, the stunt of bringing Flim and Flam back into the story not as villains but as unlikely allies for the protags was really goddamn inspired.

I had a big dumb grin on my face throughout the last half of the episode, and I don't seem to remember that being the case for a lot of this season. Of course, that might be because it's just the only natural reaction to DDR ponies, Siegfried & Roy ponies, a neato bunch of organic-sounding and intelligently developed arguments between the performers ("It's alliterative!" "It's called mixing of genres!"), and of course the twist of Gladmane recognizing Fluttershy through her costume. That thing I was feeling was the thrill of the show finding ways to keep surprising me, even at this late stage. And when the writers are able to generate that thrill from something as simple and obvious as lampshading the fame of Princess Twilight's friends, or pointing out that a Literal Party City is really more Pinkie's (or even Rainbow Dash's) speed, it's exactly what I've been hankering for.

Super props to them for designing Las Pegasus in a way that makes it look genuinely fun, yet without a hint of the gambling aspect. It really is just a big party town, in the kids-show carnival-arcade sense. Kids know what "fun" is better than adults do, lord knows, and the writers/boarders were sure able to recognize that and design a setting that didn't depend on any adult expectations of what Vegas is, yet still feels like a great destination. Bonus points for actually helping add a bit of texture to a world that is literally powered by friendship—it would be pretty ludicrous for us in the real world to imagine Steve Wynn taking a personal interest (however fake it might be shown to be) in being seen as a friend to every guest and a patron of their happiness, but in Equestria it's actually not implausible and everyone in-universe just rolls with it. And the exuberance on everyone's faces as they play their midway games and line up for their Cirque du Soleil shows and go running when there's an announcement of a new hourly special is genuine and infectious. (Holy hell was it cute when they would all go galloping past to go get three-for-one apple fritters or whatever. Makes me wish real Vegas was like that, and I'm the kind of guy who goes there for the shows and the atmosphere rather than the gambling.)

On top of that, I loved the face design work they keep doing. No big overblown freakout faces this time, but some great subtle expression moments:

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^^ Flim and Flam as sympathetic characters = neato expressive faces!

So yeah, a "talky" episode, but far from a bottle episode—tons of atmosphere and set changes, lots of action spinning around them the whole time, and a nice zippy pace that keeps you on your toes and actually does a decent job of hiding the final twist because you're wondering just how much of the playing-out of events was actually according to plan. They double-bluffed me into thinking Gladmane was actually a step ahead of them by the time they went into his office that final time, and that's a pretty neat trick :flimflam:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:08 am

Rewatched the episode. Still felt like I could have been blindfolded and gotten everything - too much talking, not enough showing.

The ending was decently clever, although I can't say I care much for "lol the audio is on" trick or "lol Gladmane just runs off in shame kbai". Or the weak-ish justification at the end for why it had to be Fluts / Applejack particularly for this job.

OK episode, at least we got some cute prairie dogs.

EDIT: And Flim/Flam making up in 30 seconds because AJ never lies? Yeah ok sure. :liarjack: :notthisshitagain:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:12 am

Wayoshi wrote:Is it just me or did literally nothing happen but talking, talking, talking? :pinkieshrug:


Yeah, it was great! :allears:

...Though it's a bit weird that they never tried to, you know, tell the other ponies they were getting played. I'm gonna chalk that up to lack of time though. Otherwise it was a really solid episode.

Wayoshi wrote:EDIT: And Flim/Flam making up in 30 seconds because AJ never lies? Yeah ok sure. :liarjack: :notthisshitagain:


Yeah, that was weird. I mean they could've believed her all the same, the "you never lie" explanation was just unnecessary.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:24 am

Yep, pretty good episode. It was also written by Kevin Burke and Chris Wyatt, who wrote the changeling episode, so it's good to see that they're getting their sea legs. The animation team earned their keep on this one as well by giving Las Pegasus so much living detail.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:29 am


"Ah feel a great disturbance in the force. Ah don't know what it is, but ah'm fuckin' pissed." :applejargh:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:00 am

Wayoshi wrote:Rewatched the episode. Still felt like I could have been blindfolded and gotten everything - too much talking, not enough showing.

How do you feel this episode could have improved in terms of showing more? I mean yeah, this was on the wordier side of things, but I think that's just playing to the strengths of the characters involved. Gladmane and the various performers all had big personalities and voices to match, and Flim and Flam are two of the chattiest characters in the series.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:18 am

The episode couldn't be improved per say, but IMO this concept didn't fully translate to entertaining television, and never could.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:23 am

Luck, be a pony tonight!

• Well, they're certainly wasting no time with the setup!
• It's just one big party and this offends Applejack to her very core. :applejargh:
• Twilight knew not to invite Pinkie to the briefing because she'd go bananas.
• Hold on, is this town in the clouds?! :starity:
• Love that Ferris wheel in the lobby. And the "casino" area is all ordinary games.
Pony Fantastique! :awesomedash:
• Aw, Gladmane is nice! Please don't make him a secret villain. :flutterdear:
• That dude's beard. :gotcha:
• Hello Siegfried! Hello Roy!
• Ha, AJ's face when she hears :flimflam: speaking:



• I don't know whether it's more interesting if F&F really are competing or if it's all a scam. :ponder:
• Well, if it's a con, it sure is a long con. Either way I like how this plays into AJ and Fluts' personalities; everyone's well characterized so far.
• She's right! Acrobatic magic IS awesome! Blending genres is only sometimes awesome.
• Oh no, Gladmane's gonna be a secret villain. :fluttersmith:
That rabbit's singing like a canary! ... Figuratively.
• Earth ponies need a special bracelet to apply lipstick.
• Oh no, Gladmane's the Manchurian Candidate! :twonk:
• "Bernard"
• "Flying Prairinos"
• Oh Fluttershy, you are such a little sneak.
• AJ is teaming up with the Flams! I think I have the vapors.
• Impossibly Rich!
• Why can't I have an office like that? Oh, right, because I don't run a cloud casino.
• Oh shit, he's onto them! Am I really watching a pony episode with a twisty plot?!!
• Twist upon twist! :idea:
• Boy, AJ's getting a kick out of this whole "lying" concept.
• Gladmane has been executed, his regime toppled. Ponyville has won the war ... but can it win the peace? :ponder:
• Nice rebound, :flimflam: !

Mini-review: Liked this one a lot! Well-written and it's neat to see F&F as on the heroes' side, but not reformed, and in a setting where they and their marks kinda deserve each other. If we never saw these characters again, this is an apt place to leave them.

I thought it was interesting that Gladmane uses generosity as a weapon, to cover his various scams, and what Rarity would say about that. :ohrarity:
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Postby Zebran (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:32 am

Something that has always ground my gears is the name "Las Pegasus" for reasons that are honestly irrelevant. :-/

Las Vegas is an obviously Spanish name with the Vega in Las Vegas being an actual noun. As someone who knows Spanish, the name Las Pegasus sounds like fingernails on the chalk board.
See, in the Spanish language, the translation for Pegasus is a masculine noun so for the name to sound grammatically correct, the name would have to be Los Pegasos.

Anyway, getting to the episode itself, it was an interesting experience and I wasn't distracted this time around. I was invested in the problem and wanting to see its eventual resolution partly because it had kept me guessing, which is quite refreshing given how predictable or even tedious some of the last episodes were.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:43 am

Headless Horse wrote:Flim and Flam as sympathetic characters = neato expressive faces!

Once characters are pulled out of their stock villain roles, they get a chance to show actual personalities.

It has a lot in common with the Trixie episode earlier this season. Trixie, Flim, and Flam are flamboyant, extroverted characters with big external personalities and great VA work; and really, characters like that are just begging to be put in roles beyond "jerk", and where we can see them interact normally with the heroes, react to a greater variety of situations and maybe drop the mask just a bit.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:44 am

Melanoma wrote:Something that has always ground my gears is the name "Las Pegasus" for reasons that are honestly irrelevant. :-/

Las Vegas is an obviously Spanish name with the Vega in Las Vegas being an actual noun. As someone who knows Spanish, the name Las Pegasus sounds like fingernails on the chalk board.
See, in the Spanish language, the translation for Pegasus is a masculine noun so for the name to sound grammatically correct, the name would have to be Los Pegasos.


I totally sympathize with this and I agree, but I look past the grammatical clumsiness because I know (based on things like the old map) that they were this close to making "Los Pegasus" into the analog not of Vegas but of Los Angeles, and that would have been even worse.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:47 am

:seethe: You will hear our English puns and you will like it!
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:02 am

Yeah, I'm Spanish and I don't care :v: I can't really think of a Las Vegas pun that would work. "Las Pegas"? That just sounds like "you hit them" :-I
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Postby PhoolCat (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:35 am

Works for Blackjack :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:14 am

I think the jump cut from the castle to Las Pegasus helps get us into the action faster, but I'm a little sad that we never really get to see Las Pegasus from the air.

You can hear Flim and Flam faintly arguing with each other as Applejack and Fluttershy talk over them, although I think they might've cut the audio up a bit.
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I think the Elvis reference of the episode is:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:30 am

The only shot we see confirming that Las Pegasus is a cloud city.
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But it's definitely built on cloud.
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I really, really want to know what that game with the lights is. Also, tourists. Also, Saturn cutie mark.
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Hey! No drinking from the fountain!
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Shooting horseshoe! Sun and clouds! That vendor from the Daring Do convention! Parasprites, Ursa Majors, a phoenix, and... a jackalope?
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For an acrobatic act, this is a pretty crazy set.
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Pony chest hair :fear:
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Lipstick band!
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:starity:
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Lots of background ponies and unusual cutie marks in this episode.

Right as they're arriving (getting off an airship?), a bunch of ponies rush by.

Polo!
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Boxing gloves... with love!
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A love tornado!
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and... BEES!
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(also, lots of really long tails in this episode)

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:skeptical:
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I wonder who the elf-mermaid pony is.
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The pony with the glasses kept showing up.
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Those ponies from the beginning again. Lower left: A pony wearing a lampshade. :v: Upper right: A pony whose hair looks suspiciously Crystal Pony-ish, but he doesn't have the glow or the eyes.
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Also seen here. LOADSOFMONEY (still can't tell what that pony on the left's cutie mark is supposed to be)
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Wild hair in the foreground.
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Penn and Teller, tail buzz cuts, and... a heart with a lock? Also, the purple haired pony in the back has a rose with hearts around it. Hmm.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:43 am

I really wish the show's animators, background artists, etc., got attention on Twitter on the same level that the writers, directors, and actors do. Sibsy is the only particularly noticed one who comes to mind and she doesn't even work on the show anymore.
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Postby Bakufoon (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:15 pm

I think that weird cutie mark looks like two hilltops with wispy clouds above it, maybe? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:08 pm

Random Ponies walking up and drinking from the ornate fancy fountain like it's a water fountain is my favorite background joke this episode.
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Postby Mir (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:10 pm

I think that game with all the lights looks like one of those old robotic fortune teller machines.
like the Matrix, but with raccoons instead of computers...
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Postby Skipper (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:21 pm


Double popped collar! :terrified:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:30 pm

DerFurShur wrote:Random Ponies walking up and drinking from the ornate fancy fountain like it's a water fountain is my favorite background joke this episode.

True story: when I was young and got to visit Disney World, if I ever got thirsty when walking around the parks then I'd scoop up a handful of water from a fountain like that whenever there was one nearby.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:35 pm

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DRTINCH :squintyjack: :lol:
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:04 pm

Applejack's look of slowly dawning horror is the best :lol:

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:14 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:Image

DRTINCH :squintyjack: :lol:

Today I learned that Britney Spears is still relevant enough to have a show in Vegas and to get referenced in My Little Pony. What an honor!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:24 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Polo!
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Polo Popcollar here is even wearing a shirt from Polo Ralph Lauren Faust :gotcha:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:28 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:But it's definitely built on cloud.
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And I super dig the design of Fantasy Pony Vegas. That's the MGM Grand in the middle there, and New York New York at left, and either the Luxor or Paris at right. And I think the diamond-shaped sign is meant to evoke the famous Welcome sign.

More subtly, all the footbridges really capture the feel of being a pedestrian in Vegas, walking up and down the Strip and up and over the bridges between hotels and over the main streets.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:33 pm

Also let's not overlook horse buffet:

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E: Most unicorns are thought of as upper crust types, but here we see the other unicorn caste: menial laborers and food servers
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Postby Skipper (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:41 pm


Hey, is that Gordon Ramsay again?
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:47 pm

I was wondering that too, but couldn't remember whether he was a unicorn.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:48 pm

Octavia wrote:That's a new avatar for Adelor Lyon

Here you go:

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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:08 pm

Thanks! :3:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:40 pm

Headless Horse wrote:
And I super dig the design of Fantasy Pony Vegas. That's the MGM Grand in the middle there, and New York New York at left, and either the Luxor or Paris at right. And I think the diamond-shaped sign is meant to evoke the famous Welcome sign.

The Luxor is definitely the one in the center background. And as for the sign, the one behind pony Britney Spears on the poster is definitely it, at least.
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