S04E24: Equestria Games

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Re: Let's Re-Watch Week 17 : Equestria Games

Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:20 pm

I have no idea how it would have worked as a two parter, to tell you the truth. It's just that all the evidence seemed there... :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:30 pm

It didn't need to be a two part episode. The Spiek story was very well paced and it worked great. But two (or even more) stories set during the Games would have been nice. There didn't need to be any connection other than that both were at the games. Think "Games Ponies Play" and "Just For Sidekicks", if both had been set in Ponyville.

Give us a story about the non-Pegasus stuff of the games. Surely there must be magic competitions and stuff for Earth Ponies as well. Beyond just the archery.
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:00 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Then what would it have been? 22 minutes of horsie sporting events? I feel like that would've just turned this episode into shallow pre-finale filler, much like MMMystery on the Friendship Express and Games Ponies Play were. I know there are people who like those sorts of episodes, but I tend to find them rather boring compared to FiM's usual stories.


Well, if Daring Don't were cut (as per my recommendation; as much as I dislike it Three's a Crowd serves a useful narrative function by reminding us, or rather the target audience, that Cadance exists and that Discord a) exists and b) is a dick who hasn't really reformed much at all), then Rainbow Dash would be down an episode, so the episode could be changed to have more focus on her in some way. Perhaps by bringing back Lightning Dust.

In fact that's just a general thing that should happen; I liked Lightning Dust.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:13 pm

Lightning Dust was a good counter to Rainbow, just as Gilda was to Pinkie, but I doubt we'll see them again. They did their job, and they did it spectacularly.

Also, Daring Don't and Three's a Crowd aren't the best of episodes, but they're by no means bad. They're just different than the expectations most people had set on them, which I think is what caused so much of a ruckus (especially in the case of Daring Don't).
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:45 pm

Marioland1 wrote:Lightning Dust was a good counter to Rainbow, just as Gilda was to Pinkie, but I doubt we'll see them again. They did their job, and they did it spectacularly.


One might have said the same thing about Trixie, but so far she's shown up with major roles in an additional episode, three comics, and (soon to be) two movies. Of course, Lightning doesn't have the same level of popularity...but I'd still love to see her back.
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Postby Marioland1 (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:57 am

Trixie was by far the most popular, garnering hordes of fans early on to the point where it felt like about 30% of the early fans thought that Trixie was their favorite. Gilda and Lightning Dust were largely ignored for a time after, so we probably won't be seeing them again unless they suddenly spike in popularity.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:18 am

Because the only thing more exhilarating than watching Rainbow Dash race Spitfire for the second time in a season is to watch her race Lightning Dust again.
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:40 am

DerFurShur wrote:Because the only thing more exhilarating than watching Rainbow Dash race Spitfire for the second time in a season is to watch her race Lightning Dust again.


Six Fast and Furious movies later...
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:46 am

Am I the only one who misses arrogant Rainbow Dash from season 1? The kind who hates losing? I kinda want that back :flutterunsmith:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:57 am

Bakertoons wrote:Am I the only one who misses arrogant Rainbow Dash from season 1? The kind who hates losing? I kinda want that back :flutterunsmith:


She still hates losing. But she has learned there are more important things. Best part of Rainbow Falls is the first 5 minutes, where they establish that she chose to help a weak Ponyville relay team, knowing her chances at winning were nil. She could have chosen to join one of the strong ponyville team events, or no doubt won easily in a solo event, but she didn't.

Things like that, or in Rainbow Falls when she immediately gives up on the record to get the job done help showcase what a good leader she is. I would argue she's the strongest leader of the 6, even more so than Twilight, because she is much better at rallying followers.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:30 am

Eh, I think she's better now. She still has the competitive streak without being obnoxious about it.
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Postby Seven Seas (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:51 am

Following Season 1, Rainbow was my least favorite Mane 6 character by a mile. Since then, she's undergone such an impressive transformation and maturation-- remarkably, without losing who she is at heart-- that she's become my favorite of the bunch. So yeah, I don't really want Season 1 Rainbow Dash back. :v:

I mean, she's still the same pony. She's still arrogant and impatient. She still loves to win and finds losing tough to swallow-- this was at the root of her conflict in Rainbow Falls, even after she'd committed to flying for a losing team. But ever more, she's learning to recognize her negative traits, understand when they're starting to be a problem, and dial them back accordingly. This is a necessary first step to putting others ahead of herself, which is the essence of loyalty.

She still has progress to make, but I'd argue that since Season 1, Rainbow has grown into her element more dramatically than anyone in the Mane 6.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:41 am

That's pretty much exactly how I feel about RD as well. She's grown so much into such a great character, it'd be a shame to bring her back like that.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:47 pm

RainbowDoubleDash wrote:
Six Fast and Furious movies later...


You're implying the Fast and Furious movie are actually good.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:51 pm

The first one was fun if a bit silly, but Vin Diesel was the one that held it together for me in that one.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:43 pm

Seven Seas wrote:Following Season 1, Rainbow was my least favorite Mane 6 character by a mile. Since then, she's undergone such an impressive transformation and maturation-- remarkably, without losing who she is at heart-- that she's become my favorite of the bunch. So yeah, I don't really want Season 1 Rainbow Dash back. :v:

I mean, she's still the same pony. She's still arrogant and impatient. She still loves to win and finds losing tough to swallow-- this was at the root of her conflict in Rainbow Falls, even after she'd committed to flying for a losing team. But ever more, she's learning to recognize her negative traits, understand when they're starting to be a problem, and dial them back accordingly. This is a necessary first step to putting others ahead of herself, which is the essence of loyalty.

She still has progress to make, but I'd argue that since Season 1, Rainbow has grown into her element more dramatically than anyone in the Mane 6.



Yeah honestly in season 1 Dash was the only one I didn't like. She has the grown the most of any of them and thankfully it was for the better.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:21 pm

I liked season 1 Dash. While I enjoy that she's grown as a leader, her tactlessness is part of her charm.

Things like this :3:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:30 pm

They should have just given her ticket to Spike and left her there.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:54 pm

DerFurShur wrote:They should have just given her ticket to Spike and left her there.


Well, I have little doubt the second ticket was intended for Spike when Celestia sent them. Hence why she remembered to send him one at the end.
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Postby Discord (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:32 pm

As enjoyable as these characters were at the outset, seeing them actually grow into, and be, better people has been more enjoyable.
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Postby RainbowDoubleDash (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:33 pm

DerFurShur wrote:You're implying the Fast and Furious movie are actually good.


I'm saying they put butts in seats. They're doing something right, and clearly prove that a series of movies built around racing can be successful amongst a large audience.

Ergo, I don't see why another episode of MLP built around racing couldn't be successful. "We've been here before" isn't a death sentence if the episode adds some new twist.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:37 pm

Eh...Fall Weather Friends covered that territory already.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:06 pm

RainbowDoubleDash wrote:
I'm saying they put butts in seats. They're doing something right, and clearly prove that a series of movies built around racing can be successful amongst a large audience.


Well they're consistent; right before the big illegal underground race there's a car wash + booty jigglin' scene in every one! :whatsup:
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