S07E01: Celestial Advice

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Re: S07E01: Celestial Advice

Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:04 pm

Not a Celestia episode, but probably the closest thing to one we'll ever see. Cramming everything into the last 5 minutes does not a character episode make.

She should have been telling stories throughout the episode. This would have been the perfect time for a return of Sunset Shimmer and a flashback about her.


But I guess this is the best we can expect from a Celestia appearance. And at least the little we did get was really good.


:lol: Changelings sounding like Waspinator is hilarious.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:12 pm

Good things about this ep:

-- The scenarios Twilight ran through

-- Celestia having emotions

-- Twilight being dorky

Bad things:

-- Go away Discord

-- I was disappointed Starlight didn't leave, but I guess I should have expected that
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:37 pm

Pony's back, and delivering as always. :allears:

I thought CA was a good Celly episode. I think she had more lines than in the previous six seasons. :gotcha: Her laughing fit caught me totally off guard.

I liked how they resolved Starlight being sent away. We got to see some nice cameos such as Ember and extra Thorax scenes as Twilight went through her options.

Funny scenes for me included Thorax's medal not fitting over his horns and the fly swatter.

Trixie was being a real jerk for a while in Bottled, I'm glad she was straightened out but still has that mischevous spark. Also nice to see Starlight retain that spirit and fire. Her anger cloud was really cool. The whole episode gave me a bit of a LZ vibe, with Starlight rushing around, her mane getting increasingly messy and her anger spell affecting others.

It's nice to see Pony laugh at itself with lines like "sing shorter songs". And we're just getting started. :awesomedash:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:38 pm

I knew they wouldn't just get rid of her :twiright: I'm glad, too.

This was cute and Twilight stressing out over things is always fun to see :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:39 pm

RudeCyrus wrote:Go away Discord

Where is the line for a trickster between being helpful and being annoying? I suspect this varies a lot from person to person. But as he was in the S4 premiere, I liked his role here too.

And hey, we finally got something meaningful featuring Celestia without any harm coming to her in the same episode.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:04 pm

While I am of course saddened by the lack of Star Twinkle (or whatever...) disappearing for good, actually hearing Princess Celestia talk about herself more than made up for it.

An episode with a catchy Mane 6 song cannot help being good, so there’s that, and Trixie was certainly very good being inconvenient. (A fair amount of head canon must be suffering across the fandom, now that it is firmly established that Trixie is in fact not very talented, magic wise).
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:45 pm

I'm glad Twilight hates Discord's guts as much as I do.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:48 pm

Credits:
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This episode was written by Joanna Lewis and Kristine Songco, and it shows in the wordplay.

Fun moments:

Spike trying to act cool and calling Twilight "Sparkle."

Image So... you can't have friendship without makeovers?
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Twilight pouring her tea out after Discord takes a bath in it.

:twonk: I can't just send her off to Celestia-knows-where without thinking it through!
:pcstare: Hm. I was not aware that I was an expression. An appropriate one, of course, for even I don't know the answer.

Starlight and the dragons blowing up pony-shaped piles of rocks :nnngh:

Image Star... kle... light... star...

Finally, proof that Celestia actually taught at her School For Gifted Unicorns.
:yikes: Are you talking about Twilight? I can't see what you're thinking about.

:excellent: I know a trick that will turn Celestia's castle into cheese! Do you think it's a gouda idea? That's just the first of many cheese jokes if we go down this path.

I'll wait for iTunes to do screenshots, but this was too good to wait:
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Also, they drew the photographs on Starlight's mirror by hand:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:51 pm

It was great.

Especially the Predator joke.

I love Starlight and I love Trixie so much.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:00 pm

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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:22 pm

I loved it, Starlight is here to stay and that's great because she's wonderful and always has room to improve, just like everyone.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:34 pm

I'm already rewatching this episode (don't judge me :twonk:) and I have to wonder what the point was of showing Luna struggling so much with putting Thorax's medal over his huge antlers. The episode did a gag with Discord just a moment before, so why not have Thorax briefly transform into his alter-ego Crystal Hoof or into some other pony, put the medal on, and then return to his true form? This is a very minor nitpick, but I feel like it would've been funnier.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:37 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I'm already rewatching this episode (don't judge me :twonk:) and I have to wonder what the point was of showing Luna struggling so much with putting Thorax's medal over his huge antlers. The episode did a gag with Discord just a moment before, so why not have Thorax briefly transform into his alter-ego Crystal Hoof or into some other pony, put the medal on, and then return to his true form? This is a very minor nitpick, but I feel like it would've been funnier.


I was about to rewatch it too because there was a LOT of background stuff that I missed, like who were the CMC talking to during the first crowd shot? Was it Cheerilee or someone else?
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:40 pm

Berry Punch.

I noticed.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:45 pm

Sidotsy wrote:
I was about to rewatch it too because there was a LOT of background stuff that I missed, like who were the CMC talking to during the first crowd shot? Was it Cheerilee or someone else?

In the first crowd scene, Sweetie Belle is dancing with Spike, and Rainbow Dash is talking to Scootaloo (who's standing on the table, ew!) while Applebloom watches. A minute later, all three are talking to Berry Punch.

Speaking of background details, what were they all eating at that party? This is the only thing on any of their plates:

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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:31 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I'm already rewatching this episode (don't judge me :twonk:) and I have to wonder what the point was of showing Luna struggling so much with putting Thorax's medal over his huge antlers. The episode did a gag with Discord just a moment before, so why not have Thorax briefly transform into his alter-ego Crystal Hoof or into some other pony, put the medal on, and then return to his true form? This is a very minor nitpick, but I feel like it would've been funnier.

I imagine the writers thought it would be funnier to have at least one character have a hard time with the logistics of putting on that medal. Comedy most often comes from misfortune. And it was more fitting for Discord to have an easier time because his powers and character allows him to be more in control of the situation and can do it in a wackier, less conventional way.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:47 pm

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:57 pm

Sidotsy wrote:
I was about to rewatch it too because there was a LOT of background stuff that I missed, like who were the CMC talking to during the first crowd shot? Was it Cheerilee or someone else?

We definitely saw Andy Price's pony walking by
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Postby Strangepony (?) » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:54 pm

Sidotsy wrote:
I was about to rewatch it too because there was a LOT of background stuff that I missed, like who were the CMC talking to during the first crowd shot? Was it Cheerilee or someone else?


I saw M. A. Larson's ponysona walking past.

EDIT: Around 3:50 in, after DJ kicks off the party. He's talking to Mayor Mare.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:14 am

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What does it mean?! :heehaw:

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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:41 am

I like how, after Discord shows up in Twilight's drink, she just casually dumps it into a flowerpot :v:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:48 am

Lyra wow
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:11 am

Adelor Lyon wrote:Image

What does it mean?! :heehaw:

...Deepest lore...


I think it means the show staff are just trolling us now.

Well, ok, they've been doing that for awhile. But even more so.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:14 am

:gotcha: Celestia laughed at Sparkle Dork. Good and sweet episode :wingsright:

Pulling the rug at the end to keep Starlight around is a peculiar choice, but it was also cute.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:03 am

Celestia's maniacal laughter is the last freakin' thing I ever expected. It was so out of left field, so played-to-the-hilt, I'm still not even sure how I feel about it. I think it was great, but damn if they almost went overboard with the mandate of suddenly giving Celestia characterization at long last.

The story was laudably out-of-formula for a premiere and the Twilight imaginationland scenarios (and Spike as the peanut gallery) were excellent fun, but I feel like I missed some key thing about the plot somehow. The story beats as I recall them were something like:

* Discord sets up the conflict by forcing Twilight to have to think of a new plan for Starlight's future
* Twilight flounders through several self-induced false starts of possibilities involving sending Starlight on assignment to some remote place where she would probably (according to Twilight) get into trouble, and all of which have the common theme of "she'll be there for a hella long time"
* Celestia goes HAW HAW in Twilight's face, says "Hey you giant flying purple nerd, you should let go and not try to control Starlight, you're basically family now and nobody likes a helicopter mom"
* Twilight decides to ... just tell Starlight "Congrabulations, you graduated, you're a full-fledged tank paratrooper" and not assign her to do anything
* Everyone cheers

Which... I guess is coherent, but it also feels like something of a cop-out on Twilight's part, doesn't it? Isn't that just the easy escape hatch, to spring a "graduation" on her that she didn't even realize she was working toward? Like a guitar tutor who tells Dwayne "It's all in your fingers now, I have nothing more to teach you", you expect that he's saying that not because he literally thinks Dwayne is his equal in skill, but because he's just sick of trying to provide structure and discipline for someone who wouldn't benefit from it anymore?

I'm not sure I know what central point I was making to the princess man here. I guess I was expecting Twilight to come up with something a bit more ... ambitious to do with Starlight than to just wash her hooves of her and say "go forth and prosper" and sit back in satisfaction at a job well disposed of while making this expression: :wingsright:

Maybe what threw me off was that Celestia's story of sending Twilight to Ponyville seemed to be telling her that the right choice was still "You have to send her to some place with an important political assignment", but Twilight interpreted that story instead to be about letting go of control, and that was the point. I think the way my mind took it was to think that Twilight heard "Celestia sending me to Ponyville wasn't about defeating Nightmare Moon at all, but rather was about meeting the other five, who apparently all knew each other and were all good buddies even before I got there"—complete with narration drawing explicit parallels between Celestia fretting about the dangers Twilight would face and Twilight fretting about the dangers Starlight would face—and instead of keeping to the parallel and finding a Ponyville-like assignment to send Starlight on, Twilight only heard "You need to let her fly away, if she loves you she'll come back".

I guess that's a complete story after all, and I don't know what I'm on about. Maybe I shouldn't have taken Celestia's fourth-wall-cracking one-liner about "You can always make her write you letters" as merely a hilarious gag and realized that it was actually the key thing I was missing at the beginning of this post. Twilight was better at catching the point of Celestia's story than I was. I would make a sucky princess of friendship.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:17 am

The whole "I knew about the other 5" was a bit much. There' no need to try and tie everything together like that. Not to mention, it really seemed in S1 that the 5 weren't very good friends yet until Twilight showed up. Fluttershy and Dash grew up together and were friends, and Pinkie would be friend with everyone, but there's not much indication they were good friend before Twilight showed up.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:11 am

There was definitely a bit of retconning with the Celestia scene. Kinda inevitable at a Season 7. But I think it was worth it just for that laughter. :gotcha:

Starlight also isn't a perfect parallel to Twilight. She doesn't need to be nudged towards making friends, she has two really good ones now: Trixie & Sunburst.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:53 am

Headless Horse wrote:Maybe what threw me off was that Celestia's story of sending Twilight to Ponyville seemed to be telling her that the right choice was still "You have to send her to some place with an important political assignment", but Twilight interpreted that story instead to be about letting go of control, and that was the point.


I'm not sure that's Celestia's point. She did groom Twilight as best she could, but was that truly a long, long, long game she was playing to set Twilight on the path to princesshood?

In early seasons, we assumed Celestia's mask of serene wisdom meant that she was the 12-dimensional chessmaster, but they've spent the entire series gradually pulling her off that pedestal and making her more "real." Even her laughter in this episode seems to me to be an intentional push in that direction. And here she flat-out says that she had no idea what was best, just that she knew Twilight needed a big push out of Celestia's shadow and toward forming her own relationships.

That said, what is Starlight's role? She could go off and form a new Elements of Harmony B-Team, but she's staying in Ponyville. She has a few friends, but she needs to open up more. I get the feeling she will need her own Lesson Zero moment where Twilight tells her that just following a lesson plan isn't the important part of growing as a person.

Wayoshi wrote:Starlight also isn't a perfect parallel to Twilight. She doesn't need to be nudged towards making friends, she has two really good ones now: Trixie & Sunburst.

Ehhhh. She's a good leader, but I don't think, even now, that she's demonstrated any real understanding of others' feelings. She knows that Twilight and friends have something she doesn't, but she doesn't inherently get what that is or why it's good. I'm not sure if they're going to directly address that or just skip over it and make her a more friendly pony, sort of like Sunset Shimmer's turnaround between the first and second movies.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:00 am

I don't think she's ready to leave either, and Starlight KNOWS those faults you mentioned and I think that's why she still refused to leave. At the same time she has "graduated" from basic lessons, so Discord was right to bring it up (in his trollish way).

It's hard to tell whether there's some plan in the writing for Starlight to continue to grow or if this ep was just laying the ground for "she's staying forever regardless of progress, here's a decent reason why". Hopefully the former.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:19 pm

The Doctor wrote:The whole "I knew about the other 5" was a bit much. There' no need to try and tie everything together like that. Not to mention, it really seemed in S1 that the 5 weren't very good friends yet until Twilight showed up. Fluttershy and Dash grew up together and were friends, and Pinkie would be friend with everyone, but there's not much indication they were good friend before Twilight showed up.

I figure Celestia did know them. I mean, remember that she was to appear in Ponyville for the Summer Sun Celebration that year. Celestia sent Twilight to Ponyville under the guise of checking up on the other five, all of whom had been given important roles in the ceremonies there. The other five weren't the best of friends yet, but I certainly think they would've at least met and known who the others were.

Their appearance together in that scene was likely done because the script and the storyboards called for a quick shot of them. To show them particularly apart from each other might've made just a little more sense in the overall canon of the series, but it also would've been distracting (as compared to how we see them today) and wouldn't have had time to get that message across to the 90% of viewers who aren't super nerds like us.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:09 pm

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Sun + Lollipop + Rainbow = 2 :lol:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:37 pm

:pcstare: You should share your candy with one other pony, thus making two happy, during a hot summer day. Is it not obvious?

I enjoyed this one. Sunhorse letting the mane down is always appreciated, and while it was low key - and not yet a true Celestia episode - she was fun, and got to be more pony than Princess, and didn't get kidnapped. All pluses.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:38 pm

So, one line from this episode prompted some discussion when it showed up in the teasers:

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I checked the iTunes subtitles, and:

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:44 pm

Gorb could be even worse Image

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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:46 pm

And gore is funnier :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:55 pm



:fluttershock: He literally has a wing coming out of his butt...
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:55 pm

I don't know what that's supposed to be but I'm gonna bet someone's gonna post a picture of an insect that looks close to that.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:08 pm

I wonder if Chrissy took part in these gorbfests or just figured it was a good way to get the drones out of her hair for awhile. Image
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:12 pm

Lots of screenshots, gonna have to break them up a bit.

As others have pointed out, the logo changed a bit this season. Old logo:
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New logo:
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Just a hunka hunka burnin' love.
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Photos! The photos are hand-drawn, though.
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This heart's so important it gets TWO banners!
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Maybe changelings can't change anymore?

Honk!
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Starlight really gets a kick out of Discord.
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Eheheh...
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Verklempt pony.
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Suds? In MY Earl Grey?
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Master of disguise
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This dude knows when it's time to stop standing near a princess.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:33 pm

(let's get to that next page)
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