S05E16: Made in Manehattan

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Re: S05E16: Made in Manehattan

Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:56 pm


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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:01 pm

This episode felt pretty standard to me... nothing really that great. Nothing was bad either, though.

It was like everything in the episode was take it or leave it. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:03 pm

I thought that was a cute episode, although pretty middle-of-the-road. :3:

I liked the Rosie Perez pony, and I also liked how Applejack's hat is just a hat. It's not some deep significant gift from her dead parents. :roll:
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:03 pm

Definitely not as great as the previous two eps, but it was good. Tabitha's acting was great, as usual. A lot of secondary roles in this one.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:03 pm

AJ's hat Image But at least she got a new one. I liked the fact they didn't just magically repair her old hat by the next scene like a lot of cartoons would do.

This was a nice episode. I liked seeing Coco again.

AJ's eyebrow should be registered as a lethal weapon. :twasnothin:

Be patient Twilight, your turn is coming. :-I
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:04 pm

I agree that this episode felt a bit lacking. Especially coming off the last few episodes.

Also, compared to Rainbow Dash and Pinkie's map episode, this one didn't feel as well done. For one, the guest star did pretty much nothing. Gilda had a big role in that episode. Coco just kind of sat there and did nothing once Rarity and AJ showed up. Missed opportunity to grow her character.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:04 pm

Angel Beat wrote:So many Rarity noises. :vogue:

The part of Rarity in tonight's performance will be played by Bill the Cat.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:05 pm

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Made me think about Mrs. Henderson Presents. And, finally more Manehattan as I had been waiting for in a year. And cya in Brotherhooves Social.
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Postby fenster (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:08 pm

Huh, honestly not sure what to make of this episode. For some reaosn, it never felt like it built much tension? Maybe it'll be different on a rewatch but it just never felt like the episode ever hit any High-Highs oddly enough. Everything was super cute as usual and the buildup was okay at least.

Octavia wrote: and I also liked how Applejack's hat is just a hat. It's not some deep significant gift from her dead parents. :roll:


Definitely this. That plus I like the cartoon gags where cartoon characters have closets full of the exact same outfit. :gotcha:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:09 pm

Octavia wrote:I also liked how Applejack's hat is just a hat. It's not some deep significant gift from her dead parents. :roll:


Don't worry, they have spares.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:13 pm

I give it a 5/10. Not real interesting. At least Coco got a bit of character development. That moment she blushed.. :3: I felt my blood sugar spike a bit.
And we have more beatnik ponies now (at least they weren't hipster ponies :black101: ).
And Rarity's Peanuts ref'. :whatsup: The booth was missing the "the doctor is in" sign.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:14 pm

It was good enough, I guess. As I worried earlier, Coco Pommel really didn't do much of interest. It was at least nice that she cared so much about her neighborhood that she wanted to spearhead the return of neighborhood theater, but... eh. At least it provided an insight into how it's hard to get people interested in volunteer stuff like this. Seeing more of Manehattan is nice, too.

I have to wonder where the season is going to go with Twilight's increasing boredom. Back in The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone, she was mildly unhappy about not getting to go on that trip with Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash, and she was even more visibly bummed out here. If there's a later episode where she and Fluttershy will be going somewhere, maybe there'll be a clash between her growing wanderlust and Fluttershy's cautiousness.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:16 pm

Episode was nice, AJ being uncomfortable with the city didn't seem to come into play during the last half of the episode. But there were still some cute moments and the moral was nice.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:16 pm

This was Noelle's 2nd episode (Maud Pie). Not sure if I can really detect any trends in her writing style...

Why were the Manehattan ponies never called out on being jerks? I don't see how "but it seemed too big a job to even bother" is an excuse for the rudeness on display. :rainbert:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:17 pm

Image Maybe you have pantophobia. Do you think you have pantophobia?

:ponder: What's pantophobia?

Image The fear of everything.

Image That's it.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:17 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:It was good enough, I guess. As I worried earlier, Coco Pommel really didn't do much of interest. It was at least nice that she cared so much about her neighborhood that she wanted to spearhead the return of neighborhood theater, but... eh. At least it provided an insight into how it's hard to get people interested in volunteer stuff like this. Seeing more of Manehattan is nice, too.

I have to wonder where the season is going to go with Twilight's increasing boredom. Back in The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone, she was mildly unhappy about not getting to go on that trip with Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash, and she was even more visibly bummed out here. If there's a later episode where she and Fluttershy will be going somewhere, maybe there'll be a clash between her growing wanderlust and Fluttershy's cautiousness.

I wonder if it could relate to the reason why Twilight was left out of the other two. Like involving Twilight in learning a lesson that sometimes one should be more of a guiding hand than the one doing things in order for others to learn.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:18 pm

You know what episode did the "every contribution is important no matter how small, just do it!" moral already? Hurricane Fluts.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:19 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:28 pm

Marimo wrote:I wonder if it could relate to the reason why Twilight was left out of the other two. Like involving Twilight in learning a lesson that sometimes one should be more of a guiding hand than the one doing things in order for others to learn.

If the show wanted to do that lesson then I think she would've come along here, since that could've better shown that fixing things (the park, in this case) doesn't necessarily fix problems in society. Whereas, if she and Fluttershy are the only two to go elsewhere and Fluttershy has to do all the real work in the end... well, then it'd mostly just look like Fluttershy had to do all the work herself. :-I
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:31 pm

You know what didn't work? How was Applejack's contribution "small" when we barely saw what it was? It seemed like building a stage on the street on the fly wasn't very small at all. Nonetheless, how it was built was literally not shown.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:38 pm

Wayoshi wrote:You know what didn't work? How was Applejack's contribution "small" when we barely saw what it was? It seemed like building a stage on the street on the fly wasn't very small at all. Nonetheless, how it was built was literally not shown.

It seemed small to her, and it's not much of a stretch to imagine it was easier than clearing up and entire park and reconstructing a much larger set. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:39 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Image Maybe you have pantophobia. Do you think you have pantophobia?
:ponder: What's pantophobia?
Image The fear of everything.
Image That's it.

:sadrarity: Also pants. Fear of pants.
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We've seen a number of ponies on a stage, but this is the first time we've seen a taped over cutie mark.

Maybe pony society has a deck of cutie mark cards that are just for stock characters, kind of like how the ancient greeks used masks to denote parts.


:starity: :"Applejack! Your hat looks like it crossed paths with a lawn mower."
:eyebrow: :"Your point being?"
:ohrarity: :"We're sitting front row center! Everypony can see you! Take it off at once!"
:-( :"..."
:sadrarity: :"Oh now you look weird without it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:39 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:If the show wanted to do that lesson then I think she would've come along here, since that could've better shown that fixing things (the park, in this case) doesn't necessarily fix problems in society. Whereas, if she and Fluttershy are the only two to go elsewhere and Fluttershy has to do all the real work in the end... well, then it'd mostly just look like Fluttershy had to do all the work herself. :-I

Or more likely it would be more about getting whatever town has a friendship problem to figure out things for themselves, not make Fluttershy do things.

And Twilight wasn't brought along because this was clearly Applejack and Rarity's episode, it's them who are supposed to be in focus now, plus bringing Twilight helped fix things too well to the point where they'd probably get a happy ending still, but it wouldn't have a lasting effect and it would wear off, just not for some time. People would enjoy the play, but the next time the play comes around they still wouldn't help. They can't make too much time pass for one episode just to show that Twilight's results wouldn't work.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:42 pm

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We've seen a number of ponies on a stage, but this is the first time we've seen a taped over cutie mark.

I think the marks drawn on paper and taped over their actual marks are meant as a way of showing this as a low-effort production. We know ponies can use various paints and powders to give themselves more convincing-looking fake cutie marks, as we've seen a few times in the comics and with Starlight Glimmer in this season's premiere.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:45 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:
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We've seen a number of ponies on a stage, but this is the first time we've seen a taped over cutie mark.



Didn't Fluttershy and Rarity have taped on Celestia and Luna cutie marks in "Testing 1, 2, 3"?
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:15 pm

Yea taped on cutie marks have been a thing I think.

Also, great episode.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:22 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I have to wonder where the season is going to go with Twilight's increasing boredom. Back in The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone, she was mildly unhappy about not getting to go on that trip with Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash, and she was even more visibly bummed out here.

Agreed. She was mostly sidelined in season 4, and here they seem to be actively pushing the idea that she's chained to the castle and never gets to go have fun anymore. I can't imagine that they want to turn her into Celestia, so why?

fenster wrote:Huh, honestly not sure what to make of this episode. For some reaosn, it never felt like it built much tension? Maybe it'll be different on a rewatch but it just never felt like the episode ever hit any High-Highs oddly enough. Everything was super cute as usual and the buildup was okay at least.

I haven't had a chance to rewatch it yet, but it felt... comfortable. Coco's troubles were mostly offscreen, the Manehattanites were jerks but not that much, and the biggest villain was the dilapidated park.

The message seemed to be that, no matter how little others seem to care, one act of selflessness or generosity can inspire them. Basically, Coco passing on the lesson Rarity taught her last season. Meanwhile, the lesson for Rarity and Applejack is the same as the other map episodes: Your purpose is not to fix everything yourself, but to help and inspire others. Fix the friendship problem, not the obvious one.

It seems like an example of an episode where all the pieces work together and the message comes across fine, but perhaps it should have focused more on the underlying discontent in the neighborhood that Coco felt she desperately needed to fix with the community event.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:23 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Agreed. She was mostly sidelined in season 4, and here they seem to be actively pushing the idea that she's chained to the castle and never gets to go have fun anymore. I can't imagine that they want to turn her into Celestia, so why?



I expect it so she can have an adventure all by herself again in the finale.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:41 pm

I'm having trouble imagining the result of building up to defeat a Big Baddie.


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:35 pm

One minor art detail that caught my eye:
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Notice how the pupils of her eyes are colored blue. This is the first time we've seen a pony with eyes like this, as far as I can remember. I wonder if the intended effect was to make her look half-blind from cataracts or something? In that case I figure the pupils would be a dark gray instead of the normal black, but after Twilight's Kingdom, I suppose that effect is reserved just for ponies who have been drained of all their magic.

I found it interesting since a fair number of artists in this fandom (including me) tend to draw all ponies with colored pupils like this.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:51 pm

I enjoyed this episode. Stumbled into a conclusion a little awkwardly near the end, but I've got no complaints. I like the lesson; I've been considering doing some volunteer work myself.

Well, I do have one complaint...

The Apples are supposed to be super big on family, right? And AJ's got multiple relatives in Manehattan... And she didn't even consider dropping by to see any of them.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:52 pm

Such a cute little episode. :3: Nice and calm, with the plot moving slowly instead of being rushed.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:11 pm

Daring Do wrote:The Apples are supposed to be super big on family, right? And AJ's got multiple relatives in Manehattan... And she didn't even consider dropping by to see any of them.


:squintyjack: :"Now, I ain't one to carry a grudge but, let's just say that there's some friction between the Apples and the Oranges."
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:59 pm

Ah yes, a Gameloft/Episode tie-in!
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Postby fenster (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:59 pm

Daring Do wrote:
The Apples are supposed to be super big on family, right? And AJ's got multiple relatives in Manehattan... And she didn't even consider dropping by to see any of them.


Well, there was that one pony who kind of looked like she could be Babs' mom that AJ asked from.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:07 pm

That was a perfectly serviceable episode, which unavoidably feels a little tame after the fireworks of last week. Still, it stands well enough on its own. I enjoyed Manehattan, Rarity's compulsions, and Applejack's trepidations. Good BTW to see that the writers have moved beyond focussing on conflict between these two—they worked well together in this episode.

What I probably enjoyed the most in the episode were the players—there is just something about (voice) actors acting like Thespians, that tickles me. I would have liked to see more of the play, even if we got the gist of it.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:56 pm

Well, lookie what I found on derpibooru...

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Notice anyone familiar in the upper left?
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:58 pm

Fake edit: ^^^^I didn't notice that. Nice touch!

That was an okay episode. There were a few good gags but nothing really outstanding. I do like seeing Manehatten though, the backgrounds are way different from what we normally see and I like the variety.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:59 pm

Daring Do wrote:Well, lookie what I found on derpibooru...

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Notice anyone familiar in the upper left?


If that's supposed to be Babs, then they got her Sister's colors wrong.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:01 pm

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If that's supposed to be Babs, then they got her Sister's colors wrong.


Oh, that's not Sunflower... But it's still someone we know.
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