S05E03: Castle Sweet Castle

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Re: S05E03: Castle Sweet Castle

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:02 pm

I assumed Wayoshi was referring more to Rarity cranking up the charm on Spike, and his reaction to it.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:05 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:We've seen this sort of thing as late as JFS and Simple Ways.

And let's not forget "Inspiration Manifestation".
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:19 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I have to wonder something about the name of the library. In most other sources it's always been Golden Oaks Library, but in this episode it was explicitly referred to in the singular ("Golden Oak Library"). To be fair, I don't think the comics, the trading cards, the Gameloft game, etc., have been 100% consistent on the spelling either.

MLP Wiki wrote:[Golden Oak Library] is also called the Golden Oak Library in Castle Sweet Castle, (the) Golden Oaks Library or Golden Eagle Library in some merchandise, Books and Branches Library at a former Hub website, and Twilight's Library in Gameloft's mobile game.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:22 pm

Plushies for the kids are nothing news. For those that don't read the comics...

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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:23 pm

I suppose I already said this a few posts ago, but it really makes sense that Twilight would have guards, servants, and such in the castle. I mean, Princess right? Or does that 'change the character too much' or something?

I mean, it'd be a great excuse to have more scenes with Flash Sentry and Twilight together.







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Postby Throbulator (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:29 pm

This had a lot of great moments, but overall it felt kind of average.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:29 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:44 pm

Wow, that is one awesome Sphinx design. I hope that actually gets used at some point within the show itself. :allears:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:46 pm

Heh. That's one of the very few times that coherent English is shown on-screen, even if only for split-second.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:47 pm

Good episode, even if it was a bit predictable. I like having an early episode settling things at home before the rest of the season, which will be filled with them traveling all over the world.

The ending was really touching. :cry:
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Postby Brunellus (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:55 pm

There was a lot of good avatar material. I'm predicting one of the hidden canons plays a part in another episode.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:01 pm

Brunellus wrote:There was a lot of good avatar material. I'm predicting one of the hidden canons plays a part in another episode.

Yeah I'm betting one will go off somewhere in pretty much every episode where they're in the castle. :gotcha:
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:03 pm

Few moments were great (especially the ending) but overall the episode was a bit meh.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:22 pm

I like how Twilight and Spike's haul from the bed warehouse is just another pile of pillows. Spike really does have pretty simple tastes when it comes to sleeping.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:24 pm

Notice also that it was Davenport selling those beds. I suppose he is no longer content to sell only quills and sofas and is now expanding to more home furnishings and (presumably) writing tools.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:27 pm

I agree with some others that I wish the ep had a bit more emotional punch, but it was still a sweet romp and I liked the ending. The tree chandelier was neat idea, and since it's in the map room I imagine that means we'll get to see it throughout the rest of the season.

Still not a big fan of the castle, tho. :-I
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:28 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Another indicator S1 was a heavy influence: Spike relapsing to his Rarity crush.


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Postby Grue (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:29 pm

I liked all the season 1 references. Quills and Sofas guy making a comeback was a nice surprise. Some of the jokes in the first half were also pretty funny. Really feels like the writers did their work and got it right at the first attempt. I also thought RD's singing was bad, but could've been intentional?
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:30 pm

Grue wrote:I liked all the season 1 references. Quills and Sofas guy making a comeback was a nice surprise. Some of the jokes in the first half were also pretty funny. Really feels like the writers did their work and got it right at the first attempt. I also thought RD's singing was bad, but could've been intentional?


I wouldn't be surprised if it's turned out tough to get that RD rasp going AND singing at the same time.
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Postby Brunellus (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:31 pm

Octavia wrote:Yeah I'm betting one will go off somewhere in pretty much every episode where they're in the castle. :gotcha:

Chekov's Gun Canon Cannon

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:58 pm

Brunellus wrote:Chekov's Gun Canon

Cannon :spike101:

Although it wouldn't surprise me if Daniel Ingram or William Anderson threw in a canon. :smirk:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:21 pm

In retrospect, this seems like an odd choice to not have included Owlocious in this episode.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:25 pm

Maybe he'll come back in a later episode. That'd be a sweet reunion. :allears:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:25 pm

The Doctor wrote:In retrospect, this seems like a very strange episode to not have included Owlocious.

...huh, that thought never occurred to me till now.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:20 pm

I don't think Rainbow Dash is autotuned here, but I do think she's singing a little higher than she normally does, and not quite as raspy as usual. Given AJ's odd voice and Twilight occasionally sounding a little flat in the premiere, I suspect they're all having to work to get back to their normal voices after the long break.

:yay: Furry friends and some popinjays so she won't be alone!
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Rarity's muttering while they're all worrying about how to fix the castle after the last commercial break. :lol:

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I love the group photo.
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...how... :skeptical:
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The mysterious ancient tree built Twilight a castle for ancient giants.
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Yep, just fill the war room up with sod. :twasnothin:
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This isn't the first time Fluttershy's treehouse has had full foliage, but the lighting is very different from how we usually see it.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:28 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I love the group photo.
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Aww, Spike's actually in it this time!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:35 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:
The mysterious ancient tree built Twilight a castle for ancient giants.
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Like I said, Twilight lives in a TARDIS now.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:39 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:41 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:This isn't the first time Fluttershy's treehouse has had full foliage, but the lighting is very different from how we usually see it.
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This is something that stood out to me, too. The soft filter and backlighting (thus making the visible side of the house look darker) overall makes all the plant life look a fair bit thicker than normal.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:56 pm

Twilight's look of disbelief there has to be one of the great shots thus far this season. :-I
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:59 pm

This episode was alright, there was a few interesting things here and there and the Angel abuse is always very welcome.

The main thing that bothered me was how predictable the plot was, in a way I didn't really like. As soon as they decided to revamp the castle for Twilight, I immediately thought, "Those idiots are going to bring their own shit like idiots because they should fucking know by now that Twilight doesn't like all the same things they do." :-/

And then they did, like idiots. At least they realized that how bad of an idea it was before Twilight got back and got pissed off that they're idiots and don't know anything about what Twilight likes.

Adding the tree's roots as a chandelier was a nice touch though, at least they're not straight up forgetting about the damn thing now that they have new merchandise to sell. :allears:
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:09 pm

More than a S1 callback, this felt like a season 1 episode - right down to the simplistic moral - unfortunately this meant that it felt like a lot of the character development we've had over the years just went out in a puff of smoke, so it rings a little hollow. It feels like average and forgettable children's TV where the archetypes reset every episode, which is fine. It's competent. It doesn't inspire a lot of interest in those of us who aren't children who along for the ride, and considering the moral of the episode is explicitly about remembering all the things that made these characters grow... well its a little bizarre.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:19 pm

ScionVyse wrote:The main thing that bothered me was how predictable the plot was, in a way I didn't really like. As soon as they decided to revamp the castle for Twilight, I immediately thought, "Those idiots are going to bring their own shit like idiots because they should fucking know by now that Twilight doesn't like all the same things they do." :-/

And then they did, like idiots. At least they realized that how bad of an idea it was before Twilight got back and got pissed off that they're idiots and don't know anything about what Twilight likes.

Honestly, this didn't feel that bad to me. I felt like the others thought that, by introducing things of theirs, it'd remind Twilight of them instead of the place just being a sterile crystal castle. I didn't think they were being selfish or (too) short-sighted.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:30 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Honestly, this didn't feel that bad to me. I felt like the others thought that, by introducing things of theirs, it'd remind Twilight of them instead of the place just being a sterile crystal castle. I didn't think they were being selfish or (too) short-sighted.


Agreed. They wanted to remind Twilight of them to make it feel less lonely. Also remember they were only decorating the Throne Room, which really belongs to all of them.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:31 pm

It was cute and fun. Plus Angel being kicked into mud face first. For Justice. :pinkietoot:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:36 pm

Captain Rufus wrote:It was cute and fun. Plus Angel being kicked into mud face first. For Justice. :pinkietoot:

I always approve of Angel abuse. :excellent:

And Opal abuse. :scheming:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:44 pm

The Ghost Of Ember wrote:More than a S1 callback, this felt like a season 1 episode - right down to the simplistic moral - unfortunately this meant that it felt like a lot of the character development we've had over the years just went out in a puff of smoke, so it rings a little hollow. It feels like average and forgettable children's TV where the archetypes reset every episode, which is fine. It's competent. It doesn't inspire a lot of interest in those of us who aren't children who along for the ride, and considering the moral of the episode is explicitly about remembering all the things that made these characters grow... well its a little bizarre.

I didn't get this impression. Yes, the characters fight, but they do so in the service of supporting their friend. Ultimately, they work together because their friendship is more important than their personal tastes. It's a step up from Lesson Zero, when everyone laughs off Twilight's distress until she goes nuts.

If there's one weakness that stood out to me, it's that the episode doesn't do much to sell Twilight's discomfort with the castle. I don't blame the writers or directors; they used all of their time very effectively. But the episode tries to be very upbeat and funny about a potentially depressing topic, and we get only one very brief "This castle's really empty!" scene without ever really having time to live there.

Ultimately, the problem is that Golden Oak(s) Library had charm and personality, while the new castle sticks out like a sore thumb. Chandelier or no, those complaints about it being big and empty and cold still hold true. That old concept sketch of a giant treehouse castle that might've been for Twilight still seems like a pretty neat idea, and if they could find a way to give this giant crystal some more natural trappings, I think I'd believe it's a place ponies could live.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:25 pm

Octavia wrote:I always approve of Angel abuse. :excellent:

And Opal abuse. :scheming:


Not abuse. JUSTICE. :clint:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:03 pm

Captain Rufus wrote:It was cute and fun. Plus Angel being kicked into mud face first. For Justice. :pinkietoot:


We're already getting a meme out of it:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:24 pm

So this was made two months ago.

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