S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 5:44 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Pretty damn close, actually.

I can't remember it well enough, but oh how I would love it if that medallion from Scorpan was an artifact from Rescue at Midnight Castle too.

Alas, he was too beardy to have a medallion like that.
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I wonder if it was meant to be a reference to/red herring for the real medallion from that episode:
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Also, while I'm looking at that episode, a reminder that Tirek kidnapped ponies to turn them into dragons to pull his dread chariot across the night sky. Just because.
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Postby Caldera (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 5:49 pm

IIRC, Tirek originally was the one who wanted to bring eternal night. :moonie:

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For a split second I was wondering what sort of convention afterparty you were at but then it clicked and I was all like "Ooooh. Right."

(I still like the Rainbow power designs, to be honest. I know they're gaudy and over the top but I sometimes like to appreciate that rainbow barf type of design cause it's so goofy.)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 5:51 pm

Pinkemon wrote:(I still like the Rainbow power designs, to be honest. I know they're gaudy and over the top but I sometimes like to appreciate that rainbow barf type of design cause it's so goofy.)

I'm definitely fine with them as they are. I was just worried since, for the longest time, I thought they would be permanent changes to the characters much like what happened with Twilight in S3.

Now I wonder what the next thing will be to cause us to worry like that in S5. :shepspike:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 5:53 pm

Yeah, I thought of the wrong Tara as well and spent a good few minutes puzzling over how that happened.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 7:48 pm

Two more subtle things I loved:
1. Fluttershy giggles at Princess Discord :allears:
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2. At the end, Twilight says, "I may have given you my alicorn magic, but I carry within me the most powerful magic of all!" She doesn't go on to say, "The magic of friendship!" or anything like that, they just get on with lasering him. No need to spell it out!
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 9:19 pm

Headless Horse wrote:This episode's moral, then: friendship is a hell of a drug. :ponydrugs:


Is this the new face of :ponydrugs: , then?

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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 9:28 pm

Hmm. Well.

That was definitely exciting, but unfortunately, in looking back I think that's all I'm left with. There were strong & quality emotional moments in the episode, and some great quick visual additions as was discussed here, but I'm also getting a suspicious feeling of "jumped the shark" mixed in as well.


I think there's a lot of head-canonning going on around here, filling in gaps for Celestia the Puppetmaster and such. Nothing in this episode was ever shown, narrated, or implied in that direction. Celestia & Luna continue to be underutilized, bland, cardboard quest givers. These should be great characters, and have had awesome moments in the past. I am disappoint.

The rainbow power scene was actually as well-handled as I think they could have accomplished. While reasonable from a plot perspective, the new designs looked stupid. But it was visually brief, and I must admit that Rainbow Dash's flowing lightning-streak mane was the one (and only) thing that did end up looking really cool.

One other thing that's really building up in the show are all these random, independent "epic" enemies from a thousand years ago, which don't tie together in the least. They're jumping through weird hoops to show some of them together with older referenced characters (like Scorpan and Starswirl), but the major history points are starting to feel quite crowded and not cohesive.



And of course, home base of adorkableness is now gone. An unexpected, dramatic, and seriously bold and commendable move... if they keep the everyday personable feel of the show going forward. But the new castle looks garish, cold, dark, and sterile. It does not fit in Ponyville. It makes no sense that it was spawned half of an Everfree forest away from the tree of harmony. The sisters' old castle was far more interesting, and is now obsoleted.

Overall, Twilight's progression with MMC and now this has been way too abrupt and inorganic. They have entire seasons to build up to these events, and do nothing with them until some jarring deus ex machina finale. It's not "All is ruined!", but it could have been handled so incredibly much better. We need to see Twilight grow into achieving her accomplishments, not playing catch-up to the new toys being thrown at the show.


However, the writers have kept the show pretty good, even if we are losing touches of its uniqueness. As long as they can continue to integrate the core personality into the show, they can keep on keeping it good. It's just that these last 2 season finales have not been good indicators of the remaining presence of its lovable traits for their respective upcoming ponyless summers to ponder. Season 4 while still really good, already did suffer from poor handling of Twilight's princesshood throughout a lot of it. Even since season 2's finale, Celestia and Luna have been downgraded to include Cadance and now Twilight as equals, instead of Twilight being the successor in training. But we shall see.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 9:40 pm

Do you even remember what assholes Twilight and her friends used to be? They were that way up until the tail end of Best Night Ever, which is easily the most well-done full-cast episode of anything ever. It was a big turning point. Twilight's adorkability only showed through her snark and general unpleasantness in fleeting moments. That's the Twilight we lost, and while the new one might be a little less interesting, she's also a better pony all-around and has clearly gone through some serious growth.

They've executed everything pertaining to character arcs perfectly so far. They even got Discord's story wrapped up nicely, which I was extremely leery about going into this considering past portrayals of his relationship with Fluttershy.

I'm excited for Season 5 and possibly beyond (more than 6 seasons or so is probably begging for a truly bad one), and even all the Equestria Girls nonsense they throw at us. Even though plenty of the stuff surrounding the show right now makes me plenty mad, a lot of it is also entertaining and worth a look. The show will never, ever hope to capture the feelings I felt when I got hooked, but I think they'd be hard-pressed to synthesize a more powerful drug than :ponydrugs:, and that's okay.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 9:48 pm

I don't think I ever got around to posting in here (and I couldn't get the chat to work on Saturday), but I just wanted to hop in and say the episode was awesome. :black101:

Loved Tirek. The epic anime throwdown between him and Twilight could easily have been terrible, but the surprisingly great animation sold it for me. And personally I kind of love that they had the guts to freakin' blow the Library Tree to splinters (that deserves another :black101:), and I'm cool with Twilight getting a crystal-tree-palace upgrade. If you don't think Twilight is gonna have a new, bigger and badder library in there, you're kiddin' yourself. It's gonna be sweet.

Though it's going to be even harder to believe it when the regular citizens of Ponyville treat the Mane Six like average joes, now that they're sitting on a High Council or something in that giant crystal tree. Will the denizens of Equestria finally acknowledge that these six girls have saved the world multiple times? Stay tuned for season 5 to find out!

The only thing I didn't like about the episode was Discord actually turning traitor on the ponies and never turning back, or at least being stupid enough to actually trust Tirek. I figured he was just playing along with Tirek so he could stab him in the back later, like any great trickster would do. I guess friendship has made him weak and foolish, in the way of all baddies who go good... But some of the great posts in this thread, like Headless Horse's (as usual) have made me think better of the story as it was presented, so I'm warming up to it. Maybe I'll appreciate it more on rewatch.

All in all, a grand finale for a grand season! :toot: Now begins the wait... :conftoot:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:01 pm

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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:02 pm

The Outlander wrote:Do you even remember what assholes Twilight and her friends used to be? They were that way up until the tail end of Best Night Ever, which is easily the most well-done full-cast episode of anything ever. It was a big turning point.

Yes, I agree. But that was an organic progression. They didn't receive some magical macguffin which instantly changed their role in the show right in the last episode. They developed over the course of the season into what their finale moment would be, then used the finale as a showcase of what they've become.

The season 3 & 4 finales have attempted to shove character progression into single episodes instead, and in very jarring, abrupt deus ex machina ways. And again, season 4 went on to kind of ignoring that season 3 finale issue during the meat of the season, leaving it even more questionably jarring during the middle of the run. I don't think it's been good character writing in that regard, and feels very disappointing and underutilized even if the regular season episodes themselves have been good.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:10 pm

Doctor Wheeze wrote:2. At the end, Twilight says, "I may have given you my alicorn magic, but I carry within me the most powerful magic of all!" She doesn't go on to say, "The magic of friendship!" or anything like that, they just get on with lasering him. No need to spell it out!


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Postby Dexanth (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:18 pm

Homeswirl wrote:I think there's a lot of head-canonning going on around here, filling in gaps for Celestia the Puppetmaster and such. Nothing in this episode was ever shown, narrated, or implied in that direction. Celestia & Luna continue to be underutilized, bland, cardboard quest givers. These should be great characters, and have had awesome moments in the past. I am disappoint.

Even since season 2's finale, Celestia and Luna have been downgraded to include Cadance and now Twilight as equals, instead of Twilight being the successor in training. But we shall see.


These I would somewhat disagree with. Underutilized, yes - but cardboard? No. I fully admit, one has to read into the lines to go for the puppetmaster angle, but we have plenty of precedent in the show for her doing exactly that, and in absentia of any writing suggesting otherwise, it's the angle that to me, at least, makes the most sense. Subtlety is her schtick - much as I'd wish for more direct involvement, that's not how she's been shown to work thusfar.

That said, they -should- be used more, there is no question about it. They are easily the two most interesting characters who sit unused in the entire show, and there's so many positive things that can come out of using them - like the fact that even people on the very top of things actually struggle like those down below.

As for Cadance - I wouldn't say she & Twilight are equal. Celestia flat out overrules Cadance in this, and 'protect the Crystal Empire' is something of a step down from 'Sun/Moon/Equestria'; she's up there, sure, and rising, but she's not at Flowy Mane Heavenly Body tier yet.
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:21 pm

Homeswirl wrote:The season 3 & 4 finales have attempted to shove character progression into single episodes instead, and in very jarring, abrupt deus ex machina ways.


I don't know if this is exactly what you mean, but I was momentarily weirded out by Twilight's concerns about not "finding her place" in the beginning. It's a completely natural reaction to her princess status but it felt like it kind of came out of left field, especially since we had Trade Ya and Equestria Games near the end of the season where she seemed to be getting used to princessing fairly well. It's not a huge flaw but it could have been foreshadowed/set up better.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:23 pm

Actually, I think those two episodes you mentioned led into it quite well. Trade Ya had her pointing out how her role there was almost completely ceremonial, and while Equestria Games never explicitly stated it, a lot of Twilight's animations had her looking down at her friends from the royalty box, a fairly forlorn look on her face.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:26 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Actually, I think those two episodes you mentioned led into it quite well. Trade Ya had her pointing out how her role there was almost completely ceremonial, and while Equestria Games never explicitly stated it, a lot of Twilight's animations had her looking down at her friends from the royalty box, a fairly forlorn look on her face.


Not to mention plenty of more subtle bits from other episodes.

We're talking a Princess that can't get a cab in Manehattan, for one. And really gets most of her fame in Ponyville at first from...the kids, rather than the adults. And her newsworthy exploits were mostly out of the public eye or ceremonial in nature at best. Cadence actually ruled, Celestia and Luna certainly did, but Twilight's only had the title, and the public eye is a fickle one.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:30 pm

Dexanth wrote:
That said, they -should- be used more, there is no question about it. They are easily the two most interesting characters who sit unused in the entire show, and there's so many positive things that can come out of using them - like the fact that even people on the very top of things actually struggle like those down below.


One really needs to look no further than the comics for this. Celestia and Luna have yet to be used in a "oh no they've been captured" way.

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Not to mention plenty of more subtle bits from other episodes.

We're talking a Princess that can't get a cab in Manehattan, for one. And really gets most of her fame in Ponyville at first from...the kids, rather than the adults. And her newsworthy exploits were mostly out of the public eye or ceremonial in nature at best. Cadence actually ruled, Celestia and Luna certainly did, but Twilight's only had the title, and the public eye is a fickle one.


Well, Manehattan seemed like the type of place that might not care about seeing celebrities as they're always there. We saw Twilight get the Royal welcome in Trade Ya! Also, the Ponyville residents have lived with and known her for years, so I don't see them not being interested as a big deal. I thought Twilight Time was a little silly with the kids suddenly caring, especially since the CMC are sisters of 3 of the towns biggest heroes already.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:34 pm

The episode was pretty epic. Not much more I can ssy lol :allears:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 10:50 pm

WandereringPony wrote:And really gets most of her fame in Ponyville at first from...the kids, rather than the adults. And her newsworthy exploits were mostly out of the public eye or ceremonial in nature at best. Cadence actually ruled, Celestia and Luna certainly did, but Twilight's only had the title, and the public eye is a fickle one.

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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 11:09 pm

OK, so let's run a bit with the "Discord isn't such a bad guy after all" ball and see if we score, shall we?

Discord knows from the moment he pops into view that Twilight's upset about her place in the world. Also, he basically figured out her problem for her, and did everything but hold up a flashing neon sign pointing at their Friendship Journal™ saying "ANSWERS ARE HERE". He even helpfully bookmarked the darn thing for her.

It's not too far a leap to say that he figured out what the keys were from that alone- and from there, that the items the 5 got were, if not the keys themselves, at least connected to them. And if you're Discord, and you think that the keys are mundane items that were given to each of the Mane 6 as tokens of friendship, well, then you're already home free, aren't you? Because
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But obviously, that wasn't it. So Discord's stuck playing the long game with Tirek, and he learns that Tirek plans on ransoming Twilight's friends back to her in exchange for her alicorn magic.

Which, again, is JUST FINE. Because Discord knows first-hand that Twilight + magic isn't what's invincible, it's Twilight + her friends. If Tirek just wants to hand them over to her on a platter, well, it's his problem to solve, isn't it? If Discord was truly fully on Tirek's side, he'd have said "Hey, maybe you want to keep that one away from her friends. Worked for me, at least for a while."

From there, things progress rather predictably- Discord gives Twilight his medallion (rather dramatically, even for him in his state), and rainbow friendship magic etc.

It's not all provable, and if you still think Discord was a jerk for pretty much the whole episode, I can't blame you. But I can't believe all the little things here lined up by accident.
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Postby Tears (?) » Mon May 12, 2014 11:14 pm

Too late right now to go into much depth, but I just rewatched it and I liked it a lot more this time around when I was just settling back and enjoying the ride. It's still a bit too splosions-y for my taste and the characters do get suborned to plot a little (this is common for all MLP two-parters going back to the pilot to an extent, but the amount of ground Meghan's covering here is ambitious enough that the epic fantasy stuff remains pretty constant instead of existing for the set-up and then shifting back to the characters.

I was a little blinded by the lights last time but there's a lot more heart to it than I realised the first time round, some of the little notes pointed out here helped with that, like Flutters giggling at Discord's alicorn drag :allears:

And like Headless said, this is really the maxing out of pyrotechnics, I can't imagine how they could amp it up any further, which is interesting for future two-parters.

Another big difference is that the uncertainty that was set up in MMC and carried through S4, Twilight's transformation and her misgivings about it, and coming to terms with it and finding her place. That's all resolved now and in contrast to S3 we ended on a note of resolution and fulfilment. It'll be interesting to see where that goes next, because we're at a point where things are fine, which is nice.

I personally (OPINIONS) don't feel like the library detonation is as symbolic as some people are taking it to be. We knew from the moment it was set up in PTS that Twilight's eventual destination would be the castle, and by having the eventual reward apply to all her friends it democratises the princess thing a little more*. I don't think it means everyone's moving to the castle now, although if it did I could see a definite upside to the mane six learning to cohabitate. The princess' reward is Look Before You Sleep forever.

And I couldn't stop smiling by the end, the epilogue was so gooey and sweet and ponies. So yeah my feelings that it maybe went past the sale in terms of how HUGE everything got, but there's a lot more to like than I picked up initially.



*I know I'm not arguing this terribly well, it's just late and I wanna get my thoughts down. I'll come back to it tomorrow.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:30 am

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Twilight forgave and demanded Discord's release because it was one of the greatest things one friend can do for another : Take them at their lowest, and help build them back up. Throw them a rope when they are sitting at the bottom of the well. Yes, it's entirely possible Rainbow Dash may have been one to give angry looks, but Rainbow wasn't in any position to do so; only Twilight was. This was Twilight's choice, and as Princess of Friendship - even if she had not realized it yet - she was demonstrating just why she is worthy of that title.


I have to throw some cold water on this. It didn't *cost* Twilight anything extra to demand Discord's release. She was already giving up all her magic. And Discord had been drained and was helpless. He wasn't a threat anymore. Yes, she *could* have been vindictive and let Tirek take him away and toss him in a gulch somewhere, but really, what would you have thought of her had she done that?

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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:31 am

It didn't COST her anything extra, yes - but it also cost her nothing to leave him there. Where, I am sure, plenty of ponies would contend is where he belonged; certainly, in the real world, we see calls for such all the time.

And that's the important distinction. She chooses forgiveness over vengeance. That's why she's worth yof it all.

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The one flaw I see in this is that implies Twilight's key involves her not teaching anyone anything. The others were where her friends served as paragons for someone else to recognize the value of such. But, if Discord is playing the long game, Twilight's not teaching him about Friendship because he's been setting things up for her all along; he has nothing to learn.

I do think at the beginning, he is being helpful in his way, with the bookmarks - just that, when he turns to aid Tirek, it's a genuine heel turn.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 1:54 am

Dexanth wrote:The one flaw I see in this is that implies Twilight's key involves her not teaching anyone anything. The others were where her friends served as paragons for someone else to recognize the value of such. But, if Discord is playing the long game, Twilight's not teaching him about Friendship because he's been setting things up for her all along; he has nothing to learn.

I do think at the beginning, he is being helpful in his way, with the bookmarks - just that, when he turns to aid Tirek, it's a genuine heel turn.


Yeah, but from Discord's (admittedly selfish) point of view, he put Twilight to the test of friendship, and she passed. Maybe he didn't even realize what he was doing at the time, and only later (after reading the journal and figuring out what the others did) does he put the pieces together and assume that since he gave Twilight something, all she'd have to do was realize it and bang! Twilight's got her key. He was wrong because he wasn't actually watching the show and couldn't see the rainbow hints we all got along the way.

I'm pretty sure his heel turn was honest, actually- it'd have to be, or his echo of Fluttershy's "I really didn't!" line is robbed of much of its impact. But I still think he had this thought in the back of his head the whole time: "I've given her every single piece of the puzzle- it's not my fault if she doesn't put it all together. She's a smart cookie- she'll be busting in here shooting rainbows everywhere any time now." Of course, then he's got some explaining to do- so maybe not.

And really, the fact that I can even debate this point is astounding, when you think about it. My Little Pony, everyone. :starity:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 2:47 am

The counterpoint to that, IMO, is if he thought that was her key, there would have been a purple bookmark on the book to go with the other five :dwi:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 3:08 am

I like how Twilight rolls her eyes in the "Plow through every book looking for clues" scene at Discord's backhanded suggestion that the answer was in their journal all along.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 5:10 am

^ :lol:

One thing I missed initially: Rainbow and Fluttershy have the wavy manes, but Rainbow's is also constantly strobing like Christmas lights on the highest setting. :ponydrugs:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 6:09 am

Nice to see that they used the same flag again...it shows the attention to detail that this show puts in sometimes.
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Postby Lhet (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 6:43 am

Finally ended up seeing this after a busy weekend; I still think S2 and S3 are a bit better, but this is pretty great. It's hard to top changelings/mostly music episodes.
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:45 am

I've been giving the episode's two songs a lot of thought. They struck me as forgettable at first, but I've really grown to like them - "You'll Play Your Part" in particular. It's a sweet song, and the chorus was catchy enough to be stuck in my head for all of today. But what I really love about it is how appropriate each princess' words of support are, coming from their characters.

Your destiny's uncertain
And that's sometimes hard to take
But it will become much clearer
With every new choice you make

-Celestia's contribution comes straight from her role as Twilight's mentor. It's mild, but also wise and reassuring. It's the kind of guidance that only the eldest and wisest of the three can give.

Patience is never easy
I understand wanting more
I know how hard it is to wait
To spread out your wings and soar

-Luna's is based on experience. She isn't as wise or enlightened as Celestia, nor is she as close to Twilight, but she gives Twilight advice based on her own experience feeling like a "lesser princess," living in her sister's shadow.

But you stand here for a reason
You're gifted and you are strong
That crown is upon your head because
You belong

-Cadance's is the most personal, by far. She's the loving older sister of the trio. She gives the kind of warm, flattering reassurance that only a very close friend or family member can really provide.

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And I also want to give some praise to the theme that plays during the credits - I wish I knew its title. I'm pretty sure it played during PTS too. Something about it just perfectly complements the aesthetic of the Tree of Harmony and Twilight's new palace. The word 'crystalline' comes to mind whenever I hear it.
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Postby Discord (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 11:22 am

I absolutely adore "You'll Play Your Part" the more I listen to it. It's musically awesome and lyrically good (outside of some poor repetition on Luna's part).

But I also love it because I get such a sense that this song is knocking on the 4th wall to speak directly to young girls watching this show while growing up. With the show running for over 3 years now, the target demographic has grown quite a bit. The older end of the target range is probably starting to ask these kind of questions to themselves, as they reach the age where the princess thing starts to become less special and they may have all these lingering doubts that Twilight is expressing. This song, and the conclusion where Twilight chooses her destiny as a princess, feels like a really great way to address them.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 12:11 pm

Discord wrote:But I also love it because I get such a sense that this song is knocking on the 4th wall to speak directly to young girls watching this show while growing up. With the show running for over 3 years now, the target demographic has grown quite a bit. The older end of the target range is probably starting to ask these kind of questions to themselves, as they reach the age where the princess thing starts to become less special and they may have all these lingering doubts that Twilight is expressing. This song, and the conclusion where Twilight chooses her destiny as a princess, feels like a really great way to address them.

This is a feeling that I also got, especially towards the older kids who are entering high school (at least it sure handled that message far better than EqG did :v:). I think this theme can appeal and relate to a lot of older teens and twentysomethings, too; people who are just graduating from their schools or otherwise entering the real world for the first time, wondering what purpose they actually have now that they've gotten past such a major milestone in their life.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 2:32 pm

This is my favorite thing about this episode:

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This is a standard "join me" scene, but their conversation just seems so adult. I've gotten used to the main characters acting like real people, but this is one of the few times (maybe the only time?) when two secondary characters just interact and the scene plays out while we watch.

I like that they dispense with the introductions -- Tirek knows perfectly well who Discord is, and his "you're free?" comment reveals that he knows Discord's history too. And Tirek, after this doesn't work...

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...immediately pivots. He's like the Flim Flam brothers. And like the Flim Flam brothers in "Leap of Faith," he delivers solid, convincing lines. Not sneering villain lines.

I actually like "shriveled monkey" Tirek a lot more than "walking mountain" Tirek. He's a manipulator, not a musclehead. His voice delivery is better too. The more he gains power, the more he sounds like Iron Will. (The quality of his lines also takes a dive, e.g. "How is this possible?!")
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 5:36 pm

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 7:02 pm

You know, for an animation team that is pretty awesome about including little things, I was surprised that they didn't bother to draw Celestia and Luna without their Princess Bling after the dream (Well, Celestia. Luna was either sleeping on the job, or was up ruling the night. :gotcha: )

:-/ you really sleep in the shoes and crown?

:pcstare: Did we not get you a set of pajama crowns and shoes?


Has Celestia or Luna ever been seen without the Princess bling in the show? I know the comics have a few times.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 7:37 pm

The Doctor wrote:You know, for an animation team that is pretty awesome about including little things, I was surprised that they didn't bother to draw Celestia and Luna without their Princess Bling after the dream (Well, Celestia. Luna was either sleeping on the job, or was up ruling the night. :gotcha: )

:-/ you really sleep in the shoes and crown?

:pcstare: Did we not get you a set of pajama crowns and shoes?


Has Celestia or Luna ever been seen without the Princess bling in the show? I know the comics have a few times.


I don't believe so...except for when Chrysalis blew her crown off :fluttersmith: And yeah I noticed that she slept in her gear too.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 8:06 pm

Wylie wrote:Someone needs to update these guys:
http://www.movoto.com/blog/novelty-real ... ree-house/


It's now a steal at 14 cents. :beggarshy:
:speakest: The fun has been doubled!
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:26 pm

PictishBeast wrote:This is my favorite thing about this episode:

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This is a standard "join me" scene, but their conversation just seems so adult. I've gotten used to the main characters acting like real people, but this is one of the few times (maybe the only time?) when two secondary characters just interact and the scene plays out while we watch.

I like that they dispense with the introductions -- Tirek knows perfectly well who Discord is, and his "you're free?" comment reveals that he knows Discord's history too.


I kept feeling like Tirek was a hiccup away from saying something like "What happened to you, Discord man? You used to be cool."
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:37 pm

One thing about Discord & Tirek, these two hold the record for longest interactions between two male characters in the entire series. Think about it, it's usually female/female or male/female interactions. This is the first time in the show we've had extended male character interaction.

Obviously we can't let villains keep that record of course, so guess it's time for a Spike/Shining Armor ep in S5 :twiright:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:46 pm

And they talked to each other!

Did they talk about a woman, though? :ponder:
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