S04E20: For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

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Re: S04E20: For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:13 pm

Does Luna have jurisdiction over Spike's dreams? If so, does she manifest as her pony self or as a big-ass Night Dragon of some kind?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:28 pm

I think Luna can enter any being's dreams. A part of me wonders if Celestia has a similar ability.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:39 pm

In S5 we'll get an episode where Luna visits Apple Bloom, if this keeps up. Then maybe she'll visit Spike if the is a sixth season.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:54 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I think Luna can enter any being's dreams. A part of me wonders if Celestia has a similar ability.

Only for daydreams :spike101:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:58 pm

Soon Luna will have her own episode where she appears in her own dreams to talk to her. :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:02 pm

Or better still, with Celestia.:allears:
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:20 pm

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Rainity. :vogue:

:sadrarity: "Terribly sorry, darling. I'm afraid I'm not very good with the thundery ones."

I gotta admit, at this point I'm on board with the "we need a Celestia episode" people. Luna has been a major player in several regular non-two-part episodes now, and Celestia seldom shows up in them at all anymore. That said, I'm excited for more dreamwalking.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:26 pm

The other thing is, I feel the comics have only solidified the fact that an episode focusing on Celestia could hold up very well. The Celestia/Spike comic was really good, and I liked the spotlight issue as well. If those hold together really well, what's to say a Celestia episode won't be good?
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:43 pm

Yeah, I'll add my vote for more Celestia as well. :pcstare:
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Postby Gloomy Rube (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:53 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Yeah, I'll add my vote for more Celestia as well. :pcstare:


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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:56 pm

I'd definitely like to see a Celestia episode in the future as well. It could be really amazing.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:08 pm

Cestia for sure, but I'd like to see episodes based around more secondary characters in general. An episode about just Cadance and Shining Armor could even be fun.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:18 pm

Well, we've technically had a few episodes without the Main Six like Hearts and Hooves Day and 99% of Just For Sidekicks...I think it could work.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:23 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Well, we've technically had a few episodes without the Main Six like Hearts and Hooves Day and 99% of Just For Sidekicks...I think it could work.

Of course, those episodes still featured the CMC and Spike, all of whom I feel like have gotten to almost the same level of importance as the adults. An episode without any of those ten would be difficult to carry, though I suppose Celestia and Luna could manage it.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:27 pm

On the topic of Luna and Celestia, they also could easily be paired with another pony, to hold the episode up. Celestia and Rarity would be a good one.

:pcstare: We're going on a royal adventure.
:vogue: Okay!

Aside frome that, looking at the episode title again, I find myself thinking "Why are there so many episodes with character names in them this season?" :ohrarity:
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Postby Stuff (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:11 pm

This episode title is metal as :black101: :black101: :black101:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:12 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:In S5 we'll get an episode where Luna visits Apple Bloom, if this keeps up. Then maybe she'll visit Spike if the is a sixth season.

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:speakest: All seems well in this child's dreams. We shall depart--
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:28 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I think Luna can enter any being's dreams. A part of me wonders if Celestia has a similar ability.


You mean, does she just go around all day bugging random ponies while they're awake?

I certainly hope so. :twiright:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:38 pm

I personally think she visits in daydreams, like what Doctor Wheeze said.

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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:58 pm

This episode is going to be awesomeballs and I approve of the synopsis. Excite.

As for a dedicated episode for Sunbutt, hell yeah that would work. However, I want it to be an ensemble government episode with all the princesses. It'll be in the same vein of The West Wing:
I've been watching far too much of this lately...


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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:01 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I think Luna can enter any being's dreams. A part of me wonders if Celestia has a similar ability.


Like Luna can do anything that Celestia can't do. :gotcha:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:14 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:Soon Luna will have her own episode where she appears in her own dreams to talk to her. :-I


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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:31 pm

The comics portray Celestia's days as being full of beurocratic nonsense and not much else. I doubt she has time for anything more exciting than the occasional official visitation.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:34 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:The comics portray Celestia's days as being full of beurocratic nonsense and not much else. I doubt she has time for anything more exciting than the occasional official visitation.


They also show her protecting Canterlot when it needs it, and dropping everything to go on an Adventure when one presents itself.
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:51 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:The comics portray Celestia's days as being full of beurocratic nonsense and not much else. I doubt she has time for anything more exciting than the occasional official visitation.


The latest issues from both running series have definitely contradicted that. Not to mention how she and Spike fought off giant, fire-breathing cockatrices in the backup for Issue #4. In fact, the only issue that had Celestia as a strict bureaucrat was Luna's micro, and that was mostly to show just how bad Luna is at dealing with royal duties outside of fighting off monsters and patrolling dreams. To quote Genghis Khan, "Conquering the world on horseback is easy; it is dismounting and governing that is hard."

Not that I dislike Luna, but I would prefer that Celestia got at least one episode where she could shine. Even Cadance got to help kick a giant worm's butt.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:36 pm

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:44 pm

That reminds me, I want to see a return of Chrissy as well. :evil:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:08 am

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:13 am

I'm really hoping Sweetie is trying to sing or something here. Hopefully that's why she's wearing dresses in a spotlight situation.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:20 am

Some filly needs a good talking to from the Moon Princess. :amazed: :speakest:
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:22 am

"It's my 5th birthday party all over again!"

Human aging confirmed unless I misheard this line (which I might have)? Or, at least, they don't age like real world ponies or else Sweetie Belle would be way into mare-hood.

That's kind of a cool detail that I'm looking way too deep into because Pony Forum
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:36 am

It's a bit of a role reversal here compared to Sisterhooves. Sweetie, you're being very Rarity. :smirk:

edit: also I hope we see a flashback to said fifth birthday party.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:37 am

Wayoshi wrote:I'm really hoping Sweetie is trying to sing or something here. Hopefully that's why she's wearing dresses in a spotlight situation.

Sweetie Belle singing is about the most reasonable explanation I can come up with for her behavior here, so yeah, I think we're going to see that.
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Human aging confirmed unless I misheard this line (which I might have)? Or, at least, they don't age like real world ponies or else Sweetie Belle would be way into mare-hood.

That's what I heard as well. Now, the real question: How old is she now? And has she actually been holding a grudge all these years, or did she just bring this up to twist the emotional dagger in Rarity's back?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:54 am

We now know Sweetie Belle is more then 5 years old. Not that age matters in A world of magical talking ponies, specially one where age altering spells exist. But nice to know.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:02 am

I was kind of hoping for a reason that doesn't make Sweetie look like a total jerk...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:06 am

The Doctor wrote:I was kind of hoping for a reason that doesn't make Sweetie look like a total jerk...

She's not a jerk, she's just growing up. I think this can easily be forgiven. :pinkieshrug:

Doesn't make it any less tragic, though. :fluttersmith:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:08 am

Sweetie Belle is Jan Brady in this episode.


:sweetielarm: MARSHA MARSHA MARSHA...I mean, RARITY RARITY RARITY!!
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:12 am

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:moonie: you'll turn into a horrible creature of nightmares and shadows!


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:unenthused: You can go home now.
:moonie: But I live here too you know!
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:25 am

I've been playing it close to the chest in this thread, but take my word for it, on the inside I've been going like :sweetielarm: :vogue: :cooliebelle: :milkshake: :wink: :sweetielarm: all week.

Now, after seeing this clip, we can add two :ohboy:s and a :iiaia: to the pile.
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Postby Corpy (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:27 am

Youtube re-host: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8nCzd2aPCc

This episode looks like it's gonna be great.
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