S05E13: Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?

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Re: S05E13: Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?

Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:03 pm

It started out slow, then went balls to the wall AWESOME. :awesomedash:

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Angel mutant, comic ref's, dogs and cats living together!....

10/10

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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:04 pm

Well, Peter New's signature cards just got a lot more canonical.

http://pixelkitties.deviantart.com/art/ ... -353892131

And this became slightly more prophetic.

https://twitter.com/ActorPeterNew/statu ... 8071848960
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:04 pm

Holy shit...that was amazing. :speakest:

Between Mega Mac and Super Derpy (or Muffins), there's almost too much to talk about. This episode did a great service to Luna's character. The guilt she was feeling was very effective, and it felt good to see her happy at the end. She deserved it.

If only in a dream, Golden Oaks came back. That felt awesome too. :excite:

And Luna finally got a letter. :allears:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:07 pm

My main problem with this was that it might've been playing off a serious issue (in this case, Luna's guilt and self-loathing, which was apparently bad enough that she resorted to harming herself as a coping mechanism) as too easily resolved. Yes, telling your friends and loved ones about mental problems usually does help, but they can't be solved lickety-split like that. I know it's a cartoon and there's a lot of layers of abstraction between magical cartoon horses and real world mental illness, but still, I hope people who watch this won't come off with the wrong idea of how to treat it.

Aside from that, this was really fuckin' hilarious.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:09 pm

I get the feeling that this episode's lesson is relatable to almost everybody. We all make mistakes, and it can be really difficult to let go, haunting us. Pinkie even said it in the middle of the episode, too, which hinted what this was going to be about.
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:10 pm

Now we just need Princess Winona and the prophecy shall be fulfilled. :-P
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:11 pm

For what it's worth, I thought the message was extremely well done. It tackled a complex issue in just the right way where it can be accessable to the target audience.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:12 pm

The icing on the cake would have been Celestia coming in the bedroom in the end and asking "Did I miss anything?" :gotcha:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:12 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:My main problem with this was that it might've been playing off a serious issue (in this case, Luna's guilt and self-loathing, which was apparently bad enough that she resorted to harming herself as a coping mechanism) as too easily resolved. Yes, telling your friends and loved ones about mental problems usually does help, but they can't be solved lickety-split like that. I know it's a cartoon and there's a lot of layers of abstraction between magical cartoon horses and real world mental illness, but still, I hope people who watch this won't come off with the wrong idea of how to treat it.

Aside from that, this was really fuckin' hilarious.


I think the guilt worked well, but what was missing was Celestia. Yeah, I know I'm the Celestia fanboy, but hear me out.

If Luna's confronting the guilt about what she did as Nightmare Moon, it seems really odd to leave Celestia out of that. Celestia should have been there with the other ponies in the dream to give Luna encouragement and forgiveness.

I do agree, it was hilarious.


Also, almost certainly a coincidence, but Andy Price tweeted this right as the episode ended. :lol:

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:20 pm

One more of Kimi Sparkle's predictions came true.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:20 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:The icing on the cake would have been Celestia coming in the bedroom in the end and asking "Did I miss anything?" :gotcha:


That probably would have been the best ending.

Of course, maybe Celestia doesn't want to interfer with Luna because she feels guilty about sending her to the moon.
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Postby Chronos30 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:37 pm

WandereringPony wrote:Well, Peter New's signature cards just got a lot more canonical.

http://pixelkitties.deviantart.com/art/ ... -353892131

And this became slightly more prophetic.

https://twitter.com/ActorPeterNew/statu ... 8071848960


That was Pixelkitties as heck, right down to the jewels. They must have some kind of agreement with her to use her art/ideas cause they use them for the cards too.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:40 pm

Also, am I the only one who thought this felt rather similar to the Nightmare Rarity story in the comics? Much like that, this dealt with a thing that Luna created coming back to bite her and the rest of Equestria in the ass, as well as her guilt over having turned into Nightmare Moon in the past, and also featured the Mane Six being plagued by nightmares. I have to wonder if the show's writers have read the comics and wanted to reference them without copying them outright.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:42 pm

So many highlights like canon alicorn Big Mac. Seeing Luna inside the shield reminds me of the famous Water Balls.

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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:43 pm

Yeah, they even describe it the same way. I was almost immediately struck by how similar they are.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:51 pm

Luna "plugging in" to everypony's dreams was pretty cool.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:52 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Also, am I the only one who thought this felt rather similar to the Nightmare Rarity story in the comics? Much like that, this dealt with a thing that Luna created coming back to bite her and the rest of Equestria in the ass, as well as her guilt over having turned into Nightmare Moon in the past, and also featured the Mane Six being plagued by nightmares. I have to wonder if the show's writers have read the comics and wanted to reference them without copying them outright.


I'd REALLY like to think they'd have no problems outright referencing them if they wanted.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:00 pm

That comic arc focused on the origins of NMM. That doesn't come up at all here. The resulting plot from both premises just happened to be similar (and both flow pretty well).
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:09 pm

Wayoshi wrote:That comic arc focused on the origins of NMM. That doesn't come up at all here. The resulting plot from both premises just happened to be similar (and both flow pretty well).


At first I thought they were going to go with the angle that Tantabus was the evil that corrupted Nightmare Moon, totally contradicting the comics. While I wasn't a big fan of the Nightmare Forces, I'd hate to see the show just totally knock down the comics by contradicting them.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:16 pm

This was another episode where Jayson and Jim had a hand in the story (their third). I wonder if there's gonna be more of this in the second half of season 5.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:28 pm

A pretty decent episode to go out on. I'd even say it does the "wacky" episode type better than the 100th episode. It's good to have at least a little grounding in seriousness.

One nitpick: They could probably have avoided reiterating that the Tantabus was going to escape the Matrix and do stuff in the real world about six times. It feels like they meant for those reminders to constantly stab Luna in the heart, but half the time she wasn't even in frame when it was brought up.

The animators really went wild on this one.
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Luna's room has: wacky egg-moon bed, stalagmite-ish lights, an odd alarm clock, pony slippers :allears:
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Have we ever seen this pony before?
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:31 pm

I'm sort of with the Doctor in that I'm disappointed we didn't get Celestia showing up and getting Twilight's lines at the end. Just seemed like a missed opportunity. But aside from that it was an absolutely awesome episode, so, I'll let it slide.
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Postby Lorce (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:33 pm

Isn't that just Lyra through the filter of the magic aura surrounding Luna?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:35 pm

Lorce wrote:Isn't that just Lyra through the filter of the magic aura surrounding Luna?

No, different pony.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:35 pm

I know the animators work their butts off, but just like with Celestia in "Twilight's Kingdom" why can't they be bothered to remove the Princess Bling when they're sleeping?

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:gonkity: The slippers will do nothing!
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:07 pm

I had a big dumb grin on my face for most of this episode. Equal parts hilarious and amazing. Season 5 has been really good so far.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:11 pm

:ponder: You know there's been a great running theme this season...

Other ponies exist outside Twilight's friendship bubble. "Slice of Life" is the most obvious, but add in the opening, and both last week and this week's episode, it's a lot more apparent.

It's like Q went to Twilight and said...

:excellent: Please, spare me your egotistical musings on your pivotal role in history. Nothing you do here will cause the Federation to collapse or galaxies to explode. To be blunt, you're not that important.
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Postby LunarRainbow92 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:14 pm

I mean there were so many things there were awesome about it, But seeing the guilt Luna had for turning to the dark side is what really got to me though!, you can't help but feel sorry for her T_T and plus Rainbow Dash's nightmare was freaking disturbing (Never thought I would hear the Barney theme ever again *shudders*)
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:18 pm

LunarRainbow92 wrote: (Never thought I would hear the Barney theme ever again *shudders*)

D'oh! NOW I remember where I heard that tune before!

Wow, so MLP referenced Barney...so they can make fun of it :amazing:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:24 pm

Flutterbat cameo. :allears:

This was a fun as heck episode. :vogue:
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:46 pm

Now, personally, this episode didn't really do it for me. But I guess they can't all be winners (I did like last week's), and most folks look to have had a good time with it. Might go into my thoughts a little more later. I've seen talk about how the 22 minute compression might've hurt it; That could be part of my problem.

Rainbow Dash's nightmare/dream were amazing, though.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:05 pm

I'm not normally big on adventure episodes vs. slice of life episodes, but I really liked this one a lot. :-D
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:15 pm

This was amazing. It could have been a season finale. It could have been a series finale, even, what with the high stakes and the NMM story and the entire cast coming together. Also balls-to-the-wall crazy (between Slice of Life and this, I think the animators have gotten a lot of pent-up wackiness out of their system).

The exposition was a little repetitive, but great variety, so many great new backgrounds (Luna's room!) and top-shelf animation and effects.

In short, this fucking show. :ponydrugs:

Also: it was cool to have the cold open whetting our appetites with a genuine WTF? mystery. Just like real TV shows do.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:36 pm

Eh, the stakes were so quickly established, and so impersonal, that I don't think it would have worked as any type of finale.

It was a good Luna character development ep, her first since Luna Eclipsed. Certainly not a mare with high self-esteem. :fluttersmith:
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:38 pm

If I didn't get this out of my system, I wouldn't be able to do anything else all day:

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:44 pm

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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:44 pm

MochaBean wrote:If I didn't get this out of my system, I wouldn't be able to do anything else all day:

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:47 pm

Lyra and Bon Bon are best Pushmi-Pullyu pony. :allears:

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:50 pm

So how much of the fanservice and S4 callbacks were Sonneborn vs the layout/animation team? :smirk:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:59 pm

It was good to see the library again, if only for a little while. :flutterunsmith:
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