S06E15: The Cart Before The Ponies

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Re: S06E15: The Cart Before The Ponies

Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:01 pm

You know, it's not often that a kids cartoon do a "adults don't always know the best" moral, so points for that, at least.

I like that they didn't reveal who won what prize in the end. Gives it a nice touch.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:02 pm

It just said "older pony" maybe not related.

But methinks older Snips was actually Lee Tockar's ponysona.

Was cute as hell. Nothing daring or flashy, just wholesome fun. And the song was really cool.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:03 pm

Cute episode :ohboy: :scootatrue: :anticipation:

Maybe don't design a racetrack with intersections in it though :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:04 pm

That episode was really cute.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:05 pm

This was a lot of fun. I'm a big racing fan, so I know I was going to like it. It was nice seeing Cheerilee have a big role, and I liked seeing Sweetie doing some magic, even though it's no longer a novelty.

It played out pretty much as I expected, with the big sisters taking over, but Pony always delivers and things turned out as they should. It was a good idea not to show the winner of the race, very fair. The song was catchy, too.

CRASH AT THE FINISH LINE! CARTS FLYING EVERYWHERE! :flail:

Applebloom's race car design was pretty sweet.

Was this the first time the CMC referred to themselves as the CMC? :ponder:

I'll give it a 9 out of 10. :good:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:05 pm

I didn't have very high hopes for this one but it was fun enough. The instrumental music section in the first third was a lot of fun, and the song was pretty great. I liked the chorus ponies. Also adults ruin everything.

That all said, why did they start with a solid block of wood? That's just weird. I wonder if the writers were confusing soap-box derby cars with pinewood derby cars. This is a pinewood derby car set:

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I may've built a few in my cub scouting days that took home a couple of trophies; my secret was to sand down the wheels so less surface area touched the track, make sure the axles were properly lubricated with powdered graphite, and cut the car into a wedge shape. Basically, less friction the better.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:05 pm

This episode was weird. Importing full-on racing culture into Equestria worked OK... a song in this episode was an odd choice...

I dunno, just, not terribly much to say. I have a feeling new Dinky will be the biggest notable once this episode is well past.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:06 pm

The story might've been fairly common, but I really enjoyed this episode regardless. Part of the moral, that it's hard to stand up to older loved ones whom you believe to know better, really resonated with me. I have to wonder who it's for, though... the kids watching this show, or the parents watching it with them? Maybe it's for both? There's not really anything wrong with that, of course.

And all the different carts were cool, and all the ponies driving them, and horsie physics. And dat song tho.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:27 pm

Horsie Physics :3:
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:27 pm

The thing that kept fresh for me was that it wasn't just everyone wanted to win, the three older characters all had extremely different goals in mind. It was a small thing but kept it from feeling too played out.

Song was nice and seeing Cheerilee for the first time in forever was nice.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:49 pm

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The second part of S6 is smashing. :yay:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:53 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:I may've built a few in my cub scouting days that took home a couple of trophies; my secret was to sand down the wheels so less surface area touched the track, make sure the axles were properly lubricated with powdered graphite, and cut the car into a wedge shape. Basically, less friction the better.

Modifying the wheels is forbidden! :applejargh:

Wayoshi wrote:This episode was weird. Importing full-on racing culture into Equestria worked OK...


I don't know about racing culture. This was specifically about parents taking over their kids' competitions so they can have another shot at their own childhoods. Definitely familiar to people who've been around Pinewood Derbies, but maybe a little obscure if you haven't. It's basically the dad who stands on the sidelines at soccer matches throwing a fit, if he was allowed to run onto the field with his kid.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:54 pm

:rariwhat: So, no sane person could have picked Muffin's ugly cart over Rarity's. Do we assume the judge's eyes are as bad as Muffins? Maybe it's her father.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:54 pm

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We already knew that filly RD was adorable, but dang if disappointed and enraged filly Rarity isn't giving her stiff competition.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:59 pm

I was reminded of building CO2 racers in shop class. Mine looked like hell and performed worse than that, but it was still fun. :-I
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:07 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I don't know about racing culture. This was specifically about parents taking over their kids' competitions so they can have another shot at their own childhoods. Definitely familiar to people who've been around Pinewood Derbies, but maybe a little obscure if you haven't. It's basically the dad who stands on the sidelines at soccer matches throwing a fit, if he was allowed to run onto the field with his kid.

Well yeah. I was referring to the fact that suddenly every town in Equestria has a derby every year. Seemed to be lazy worldbuilding
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:20 pm


Note that all Pinewood Derby rules are set at the local race level. There are no Official Pinewood Derby Rules that are used nationwide. For our Pack we used a simple, clear set of rules. Other Packs may have elaborate rules. Be sure to read and abide by the rules for your local race.


There sure were a lot of "seams" and "imperfections" on the wheels back in the day; There was often this big burr on the surface of the wheel that needed to be trimmed off. My father showed me how to clamp the axle in the chuck of a power drill, run it at medium speed, and use a wood chisel to carve away the seams and such from the wheels, followed by a good rubbing with sandpaper. If you were to sand/chisel the edges of the wheels into a rounded V shape, it made less contact with the track surface, leading to less friction. Since the only drive the cars had was gravity, the less friction there is the better. I can definitely see why this practice was outlawed.

Ah well. Like I said, I wasn't too keen on this one at first but I just rewatched it and enjoyed it more. I gotta say, Season 6 has been really rich in the background department; the animation staff are doing wonderful things with backgrounds, background characters, and all the really subtle details. Every episode has had great new faces, too: I was listening to a podcast interview with either Cody or Haber (can't remember which) and they said the animators absolutely love getting a request for a "crazy face" because it means they don't need to use recycled assets and design something completely new and clever. I don't know if the writing in S6 is quite up to par with S5's, but the freedom the animators are getting this season is really making the whole show better: their enjoyment in the work they're doing is clearly showing.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:35 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Well yeah. I was referring to the fact that suddenly every town in Equestria has a derby every year. Seemed to be lazy worldbuilding

"suddenly"? If this had been a plot point in S1, revealed with exactly the same amount of grace, we would've gladly accepted it and there would've been a fuckin' deluge of fanfics of young Twilight obsessing over every last detail of her cart in Canterlot's race and Pinkie Pie being sad that she was stuck on a rock farm and not able to take part in an event like that and so on. Is the show no longer able to introduce new details and further flesh out its world solely because of its age?

Besides, this episode made a big effort (relative to how consequential the detail was to the plot) to explain what the races were like in Cloudsdale, and even showed how their races were similar to yet still different than Ponyville's. I really don't think that's lazy.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:50 pm

The Doctor wrote::rariwhat: So, no sane person could have picked Muffin's ugly cart over Rarity's. Do we assume the judge's eyes are as bad as Muffins? Maybe it's her father.

Maybe Rarity exaggerated the details, imagining her car looking better and the other pony's car worse? Like I doubt a rain cloud was suddenly pushed over just her while confetti out of nowhere rained down on Derpy at the exact same time.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:54 pm

Marimo wrote:Maybe Rarity exaggerated the details, imagining her car looking better and the other pony's car worse? Like I doubt a rain cloud was suddenly pushed over just her while confetti out of nowhere rained down on Derpy at the exact same time.

It's magic.

It don't gotta explain shit.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:56 pm

Adults ruin everything, the end.

Great episode, nice song, Rarity was a treat to watch as always. Also, Cheerilee's outfit was ace.

I have to say, Season 6 has really been consistent with the quality so far. There hasn't been a single "bad" episode so far.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:05 pm

This episode is definitely not amongst the best. I'd say this one belongs to the bottom half.
I can suspend my disbelief that tiny talking magical horses can hold scissors and use tools with their hooves but the lack of common sense in the track design and the lack of teacherly supervision from Cheerilee (or other officials) made the episode a big doozie. Also I absolutely hate the "adults take over the children's school project" trope.
Since it's a kind of school project I think Cheerilee had the obligation to check that the children were the ones responsible in the planning and construction of the carts.
Well... this time the adults were the real children.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:14 pm

My, that was a fun little episode. :3:
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Postby Minty (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:43 pm

Muffin Jpeg obviously bribed the judge.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:51 pm

Good stuff. I've always said the biggest motivator in life is spite, so Rarity's part in this episode tickled me
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:52 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:"suddenly"? If this had been a plot point in S1, revealed with exactly the same amount of grace, we would've gladly accepted it and there would've been a fuckin' deluge of fanfics of young Twilight obsessing over every last detail of her cart in Canterlot's race and Pinkie Pie being sad that she was stuck on a rock farm and not able to take part in an event like that and so on. Is the show no longer able to introduce new details and further flesh out its world solely because of its age?

Besides, this episode made a big effort (relative to how consequential the detail was to the plot) to explain what the races were like in Cloudsdale, and even showed how their races were similar to yet still different than Ponyville's. I really don't think that's lazy.

It's freakin' racecars. Feels so modern and out of place to me.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:09 pm

I tell you, these Fast & the Furious sequels keep getting weirder.

:iamapony: "Today in physics, we finally learn this equation that's been on the blackboard for 5 years!"
• Scootaloo doesn't see any use for basic Newtonian physics. Scootaloo also doesn't know how to fly. She does not seem to make the connection here, but you get it and I get it.
• They spring this on the kids the day before?! Well, maybe that's part of the challenge. Still, what if, I dunno, Twist is booked to go on a cruise that day or something?
• Oh neat, the CMC's are each going for a different award than the one that was obviously designed for them!
• Michelle Creber sounds old. I mean, not OLD old, but you know. Not twelve.
• Nice to show the balloon outside Dash's house to explain how Scoots got up there.
• Holy shit, cloud cart racing is rad as hell. :starity:
SECOND! :cry:
• Well, this is a nice setup. I was all :roll: at how the awards were tailored to each CMC, but they immediately subvert that and now I have no expectation who's going to try for what or win what.
• Though of course AJ, Dash and Rarity have no problem being stereotypical.
• Maniacal Rarity is definitely among my top three Rarities.
• It'd be funny if the other three Mane Sixers were in the background helping other kids. I wonder if dragons, bunnies and lint balls can participate?
• Here's my Robin Hood pitch: they're all in high school and oppose Vice Principal Ed Nottingham.
• The CMC are in deep denial about the Mane Six knowing best or being helpful or sane in any way.
• Can't wait to see the other kids' parents!
• Ha, AB sad face.
:iiaia: "Sweetie Belle, precious-face, 'old-timey' is just another word for passé!"
• Okay, the chicken thing has to be intentional.
• The Apples passive-aggressively erasing one another's accomplishments, just like a real family! :anticipation:
• Cool montage music!
• DEEP denial.
• Ha, DT's passenger is her butler and her cart has diamond headlights and a wooden grille.
• Muffins may have a relative, or maybe the colt just wanted advice from a FORMER CHAMPION.
• Snips' car looks like a barber pole. I guess we know the family business!
:vogue: "Yes, Sweetie, you just go right up there on the roof! A place for everypony, and everypony in her place!"
• Song SNEAK ATTACK!
:smug: "Wheels ... my greatest nemesis."
:shock: "I thought I was your greatest nemesis!"
:roll: "I have a life outside of you, Twilight."
• I think the swan cart is this show's first decapitation.
• The CMC heart-to-heart with their big sisters while Twist bleeds out in the wreckage.
• AB's apple racer looks seriously cool. She may end up winning Most Creative.
:iiaia: "I think I have an idea ... [cut] Martinis!"

Supersonic review: Fun! I wonder what it would have been like if the episode had been from the adult ponies' POV, so that the viewer gets caught up in the race like they do, and when the CMC snap at the end we're ashamed because we forgot about them too.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:16 pm

Wayoshi wrote:It's freakin' racecars. Feels so modern and out of place to me.

In the styling of the carts built for speed, maybe, but unpowered soapbox racers in Equestria don't feel strange to me. :pinkieshrug:
Mechanical Ape wrote:• Michelle Creber sounds old. I mean, not OLD old, but you know. Not twelve.

I remember getting that feeling, too, but I think it was more just that she somewhat flubbed a line right around there. Most of the rest of her performance in this episode sounded good to me.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:24 pm

It was fun. But I think Cherillee is trying too hard to find herself a special some pony with that cosplay. Hasn't she seen Ebichu the Housekeeping Hamster? It'll just get you the wrong sort of fella.

Also midlife crises suuuuck. I've been having one since the 2nd Clinton Administration. When I was in my 20s. Seriously. Chers needs to get some proper advice and help.

Loved Scoots trying to make CHICKENMOBILE too. Maybe it's a sign imma get Popeyes for dinner tomorrow or Monday. Some good ass chicken it is. I have to check some of the auto parts stores nearby for my own automotive derp last night anyhow. ( I brokeded my driver side rear view mirror. So I need the main mirror bit. Mechanics work housing works but only the little mini angle mirror isn't cracked to hell. And as someone who merely considers the speed limit as a suggestion having a proper working mirror to get into the passing Lane safely is... Kind of important. )

Overall a cute and fun episode.

Edit: And given the pile up someone needs to modify Super Off Road into Super Pony Road! :awesomedash:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:31 pm

That was a bit too by the numbers and without a lot of jokes :-I They can't all be winners though.

Captain Rufus wrote:Edit: And given the pile up someone needs to modify Super Off Road into Super Pony Road! :awesomedash:


Whatever happened to that pony Mario Kart game someone was making? :ponder:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:48 pm

Ponykart died because its developers got burnt out or otherwise drifted away. Its source code and last build are still available, but as far as I can tell, no one else in the fandom has tried to revive it.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:59 pm

This was a fun little episode. I had fun and it was fun. Not top tier, but it was what I would expect from this show.
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Ponykart, much like every other fan made game, died out because it's creators didn't realize how much time and effort a game takes to make.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:06 am

Guys

This is clearly the star of the episode:

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:iiaia: RARITY MADE A PRINCESS SWANLESTIA CART :gotcha:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:18 am

:hilarious: "What've ya got there, Rarity? Some kinda ... spruce goose or somethin'?"
:vogue: "It is a swan, for your information, and it is applewood, just like all the others."
:v: "Ha! I bet it can't even fly."
:rariwhat: "Wh .... g ... b ... "
:gonkity: "Well of COURSE it can't fly, it's a CART! An ordinary, albeit fabulous, street-legal CART!"
:sadrarity: "Fluttershy, help me out here."
:fluttersmith: "Um, Rarity? There's a delegation from the bats whose home was chopped down to build your cart."
:starity:
:flutterunsmith: "I talked them down to fair market value plus 80% of the winnings."
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:18 am

Also this:

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Lots of kickin-up-the-heels in the onlookers generally. Giddyup!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:44 am

That animation bugged me a little bit. Let's focus on Dizzy Twister in the front, there. See the key points of her movement:
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She goes down from her starting position, way up, back down past where she started, then back up once more, but to her starting position. Usually when doing the wave, we stand up and throw up our arms in one movement, then sit back down instead of going down, up, down, and a little up. While what we have here is perhaps more accurate for a quadruped, I feel like the animation would've been cleaner if they'd just reared up and raised their forelegs instead of what all we got here.

Of course, I'm only going off of what I saw in the stream as well as this GIF which looks like it came from a stream rip. I imagine the frame rate is better on TV and the iTunes copy, so perhaps the animation would look better there too.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:33 am

Animators love doing anticipations! :party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticipation_(animation)
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:39 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:In the styling of the carts built for speed, maybe, but unpowered soapbox racers in Equestria don't feel strange to me. :pinkieshrug:

I guess ideally, they would've thrown in some pedals or something, just to clarify that they aren't throwing motorcycle engines in there.

Or have them running along underneath like Fred Flintstone. :gotcha:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:02 am

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No matter how old and familiar the show becomes, I'll never get tired of how Rainbow Dash raises her wings to express surprise or anger or excitement or really just about anything

it's just so damn cute
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:09 am

Early in the episode, one of the characters said that this is "bee's knees". That cracked me up, because a day before, I drew a comic where I had a character say "bee's knees" as a crack on the 1920s slang :v:
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