S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby doodlesplat (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:48 pm

Tears wrote:And like Headless said, this is really the maxing out of pyrotechnics, I can't imagine how they could amp it up any further, which is interesting for future two-parters.
It was really amped up. But, it seems they still have headroom. What we got was the raw magic from all four alicorns put together. Without introducing anything new lore-wise, they still have available for combining such power sources as love+crystal heart, friendship+elements/tree, chaos magic from Discord, dark magic, or other more obscure artifacts/potions such as those Zecora deals with.

That said, perhaps what is of interest is not how they can amp it more, but whether they should. Staying with the trend of personal faceoff scenarios and simply upping powerlevels risks the story growing unbearably ludicrous. By involving more that just a single central character at a time in the main conflict, it may be possible to increase the stakes and scope of the story without ratcheting up any individual's powers.
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 9:59 pm

Aramek wrote:And they talked to each other!

Did they talk about a woman, though? :ponder:

They talked about Fluttershy. :dreamworks:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:01 pm

They discussed Discord's friendship with the ponies, specifically Fluttershy
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Postby Aramek (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:06 pm

Chaos Sonic wrote:They talked about Fluttershy. :dreamworks:
Dang. Well, despite this, I liked the scene.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:06 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Obviously we can't let villains keep that record of course, so guess it's time for a Spike/Shining Armor ep in S5 :twiright:

I won't lie, a Spike/Shining Armor "Boy's Night Out" episode is in my season 5 wish list.

Bonus points if Big Macintosh tags along.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:27 pm

Nope, supreme girliness is one of the main draws of the show for me. Those boys can stay in their secondary role holes. DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY :twonk:

Also, they didn't talk as much as Spike and Garble did in Dragon Quest, and Flim and Flam occasionally talk to one-another.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:31 pm

Mr. Big wrote:I won't lie, a Spike/Shining Armor "Boy's Night Out" episode is in my season 5 wish list.

Bonus points if Big Macintosh tags along.



My Little Hangover Staring Spike The Dragon, Shining Armor, Big Mac & Flash Sentry.

:ponynet: *Dave Poslky writing*
:twiright: best episode ever! Meghan will love this!

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:twonk: .......
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:35 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:My Little Hangover Staring Spike The Dragon, Shining Armor, Big Mac & Flash Sentry.


This, but with Dash, Rarity, Twilight, and Pinkie.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 10:45 pm

What Happens in Las Pegasus, Stays In Las Pegasus. :dwi:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Tue May 13, 2014 11:48 pm

Aramek wrote:Dang. Well, despite this, I liked the scene.


And, oh so incredibly tragically, My Little Pony once more fails the Reverse-Bechdel Test :-I

:dwi: Except the main thrust of their conversation was 'Discord should be evil again' so not really
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:12 am

PictishBeast wrote:
This, but with Dash, Rarity, Twilight, and Pinkie.


Can't do it without Fluttershy. I've always pictured her as a mean drunk.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:22 am

Niels Olof wrote:
Can't do it without Fluttershy. I've always pictured her as a mean drunk.


Agreed.

Pinkie, Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Fluttershy would be the great "girls night out" foursome.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:25 am

Applejack or Twilight is the straight mare.

Pinkie or Rainbow is the high energy.

Fluttershy is the quiet one who totally changes character at some point.

And Rarity is the melodramatic one.

So really, IMO, you can't run both Pinkie & Rainbow, because you're left without a straight mare.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:27 am

I say have all six of them go out.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:37 am

Goodie, a reason to repost this.


:excite: You needed to see us, Princess Celestia.

:pcstare: Yes my faithful student. Tonight you and your friends will join me and Luna on a quest.

:awesomedash: I LOVE quests!

:starity: what kind of quest?

:gotcha: Tonight, we will be partaking of a liquid repast as we wind our way up the Golden Mile. Commencing with an inaugural tankard in The First Post, then on to The Old Familiar, The Famous Griffon, The Cross Hooves, The Good Companions, The Trusty Servant, The Three-Headed Dog, The Seapony, The Beehive, The Queen's Head, and The Hole in the Wall for a measure of the same, all before the last bittersweet pint in that most fateful terminus, The World's End...

:hilarious: They all serve cider!

:v: Ahh, a we're partaking in a good old fashioned Thursday.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:39 am

Have an ep with parallel girls and guys night out stories, the Mane 6 vs Spike, Shining Armor, Flash Sentry, Bulk Biceps, Prince Blueblood, and Fancy Pants.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:40 am

Ransom wrote:Have an ep with parallel girls and guys night out stories, the Mane 6 vs Spike, Shining Armor, Flash Sentry, Bulk Biceps, Prince Blueblood, and Fancy Pants.


Guys night out without Discord. Are you mad?!
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Postby Ransom (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:41 am

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Guys night out without Discord. Are you mad?!

You're right, and I forgot Big Mac.
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 1:58 am

Waaaaaay late to the party but I'm finally watching these episodes, yay for me.

-They're really going for it with this first song. The chorus has this sweeping, bombastic quality that's very cinematic. I think I like it.

-Oh wow they really are doing Tirek. Huh. I kind of had it spoiled by one of the related video links but even then I half-assumed that "TWILIGHT VS. TIREK" video was some kind of fanfic-y brony thing.

-Man, way to turn a random event in a random episode into a plot point in the next season's finale. I can already tell this episode's gonna be a big hit with the lore nerds.

-You know, sending Discord for this makes a lot of sense. If Tirek is stealing magic I can't imagine sending Ms. Magic Magick McSparklemagic herself is a smart move, and whatever the fuck Discord does is probably a totally different thing from pony magic that Tirek may well be unable to take for himself. I'm a little disappointed that Discord's inevitably going to get chumped or turn evil again so Twilight can save the day.

-Speaking of Discord, Discord is great. He's my favorite. Actually forget Twilight and her ennui let's just make this two-parter be about Discord the Bounty Hunter.

-Books are your answer to everything, Twilight.

-The Discord/Tirek conversation is kind of making me reassess Discord's character but I'm not totally sure how just yet. Maybe I'll figure out what I'm thinking later on.

-Oh great a clip show.

-RIP Boneless, turned into key.

-Yep there we go the other shoe's finally dropped on Discord. I'm sure he'll make yet another U-turn and help beat Tirek in the end, though, right? Right?

-I kind of like this "we have to give up our magic" plot beat.

-Magic is the most overpowered Element this is bullshit hasbro nerf pls

-Wait a second. Tirek may not know about Twilight, but Discord certainly does. Celestia I question the wisdom of your plan

-That's our Twilight. Mild-mannered and bookish yet extremely powerful Princess of Magic by day, mild-mannered and bookish yet all-powerful Princess of Magic by night.

-Hmmm. Discord's up to something, perhaps? Then again Discord's always up to something.

-Oh man, are we just gonna have a Twilight magic shenanigans episode while Tirek is running around stealing everybody's souls in the background? Hiding away the most powerful powers where he hopefully can't get them isn't actually solving the "giant goat-man monster running around stealing everybody's powers" problem, guys.

-Man Tirek did you go eat Iron Will's magic too?

-I think the thing that's making me reassess Discord is watching him be so weirdly deferential to Tirek. Before he always came off as an omnipotent being with no care or concern for any interests but his own, and even when he started making friends he basically did it under protest, toying with the ponies and never making any real efforts to act like their friend. Tirek, though, gets none of that; even during the initial confrontation Discord never looks down upon Tirek the way he seems to look down upon everyone else, and that's making me realize he may never have been the omnipotent trickster far above any other being in the world I always kind of assumed he was.

-Well, this necklace thing is important. I'm starting to think I was right about Discord playing the long game here. (Just wishful thinking, though.)

-Fluttershy: "I didn't! I really didn't!" Applejack's face: "I did."

-So Tirek can steal Discord's magic. Explains that power dynamic I just wrote a giant paragraph about. But of course Discord turns evil and gets chumped so c'mon guys use your DeLancie better.

-You know Twilight that was a situation where you really should've kept to the air.

-I had heard about the destroyed library thing but still, man, how weird is it that that happened?

-I guarantee this is the single most anime fight scene to ever come out of My Little Pony.

-amazing chest ahead

-Wow their super-saiyan forms are ugly as sin. EqG had this problem too although that's because the characters were ugly to begin with. Can I blame the toy department for this? Because those designs look very much like ugly toy department mandates.

-"Whose is it?" is really not the first question I would've asked about the giant castle that just spontaneously grew out of a magic box that got carried into the ground by a rainbow.

-"Princess of Friendship?" Geeze. At least Spike gets a chair, these magic things never seem to remember he's Twilight's friend too.

-They're very quick to forgive Discord. I'm not complaining, exactly, but c'mon man you tried to stab everybody in the back and couldn't even do that right. Chaos doesn't take sides.

-That last song just kind of happened for no real good reason. The cameos were nice to see at least.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 3:07 am

Opposing Farce wrote:-"Whose is it?" is really not the first question I would've asked about the giant castle that just spontaneously grew out of a magic box that got carried into the ground by a rainbow.

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Postby Wildfire (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 6:55 am

So a revelation about Discord has come up:

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Was it seriously that planned out? If so... :starity: :amazing:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 7:11 am

I doubt it. I think Discord's motivations were left purposefully unclear, just so these sorts of theories could take hold. I've outlined myself how helpful Discord was during his first appearance in the episode, go back a page or two.

Discord is right where the writers want him- in that grey area between friend and foe, still able to be the antagonist in a low-stakes episode like "Three's a Crowd," but not universe-warpingly evil like he was in "Return of Harmony."

Also, Discord handing Celestia a bouquet and winking at her is about the only thing I could think of that could get Celestia flustered, which is funny in itself.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 7:27 am

Not surprisingly he is just like Q in Star Trek. He's a helpful asshole.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 10:12 am

Given the handful of shipping jokes that the gang posted on Twitter (I saw Nicole Oliver retweet one and AKR make another) after the fact, I don't think it was supposed to be anything more than that.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 10:52 am

By the way, the episode codified one pretty significant thing about the universe: pegasi's powers of flight involve a magic component, without which they're as grounded as anything else with wings that small and decorative and slow-flapping. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 10:54 am

But then how does Bulk Biceps fly? :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 11:00 am

Headless Horse wrote:By the way, the episode codified one pretty significant thing about the universe: pegasi's powers of flight involve a magic component, without which they're as grounded as anything else with wings that small and decorative and slow-flapping. :v:

And the earth ponies directly had their strength mentioned as their racial gift. That's about the most we've ever had that directly acknowledged.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 11:31 am

Yeah. And I think it speaks really well of Meghan and the team that they're committed to frittering out these little spoonfuls of information as stingily as possible, while still keeping it coming steadily enough to keep things interesting. It's very much the same rate of these revelations as in later S1 and S2.

This is one of those aspects in which a new creative team's output could easily have appeared starkly different from the previous one's, no matter how good the intentions. They could have gone overboard with new worldbuilding that tried to establish a new and unique legacy for the new team; or they could have frozen everything in time and kept Lauren's vision so perfectly preserved that it stagnated. But Meghan doesn't look to be prone to the temptation of empire-building, nor is she afraid to tinker with the formula as necessary. I think that's an important thing to recognize because so often, in all kinds of industries, a turnover in leadership leads directly to major changes in the company's fortunes (we can watch Microsoft carefully for evidence of the former type, and Apple for the latter).
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 11:41 am

I think it's mildly amusing that having to become what amounts to regular (talking) animals living in a regular world is tantamount to extinction for them. They've built up a civilization so reliant on magic that the world as they know it would crumble without that vital resource—not unlike electricity for us.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 11:46 am

doodlesplat wrote:I think it's mildly amusing that having to become what amounts to regular (talking) animals living in a regular world is tantamount to extinction for them. They've built up a civilization so reliant on magic that the world as they know it would crumble without that vital resource—not unlike electricity for us.
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Without magic, their entire planet would be destroyed. The sun and the moon would stop rising and setting, limiting life to a single narrow band halfway between the two. That's something to keep in mind about the importance of Celestia and Luna. :fluttersmith:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:12 pm

Equestria needs to get some kind of back-up magic generator machine incase there's ever a day where all the princesses are randomly sick. :-P
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 12:52 pm

I loved that that Blue Unicorn instantly went on the offensive during the Tirek attack. :allears: Equestria is full of civic-minded heroes, because ponies are good people.

I forgot to bring it up last thread, but we had this two weeks in a row. When the ice chunk was falling, instead of just bailing, all the Pegasusseses instantly leaped into action. There was danger to their event, their friends, and their countrymen! "A Natural disaster?!" And then all flew straight at it, because it was weather, and they do not fear weather, they are its master.

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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 1:23 pm

Wildfire wrote:So a revelation about Discord has come up:

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Was it seriously that planned out? If so... :starity: :amazing:


I can't see -Discord- planning it out, because the problem is every line of his after Tirek turns on him is so genuine that I can't see it being fake.

I can see -Celestia- planning it out, as both a way to teach Discord the true meaning of friendship, and to get Twilight another step up the Princess ladder, because that's what Celestia does.

Which then makes the bouquet a 'I know what you did, and thank you' moment, because while Twi & co might not have realized what she was up to, Discord totally did.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 2:44 pm

Dexanth wrote:
I can't see -Discord- planning it out, because the problem is every line of his after Tirek turns on him is so genuine that I can't see it being fake.

I can see -Celestia- planning it out, as both a way to teach Discord the true meaning of friendship, and to get Twilight another step up the Princess ladder, because that's what Celestia does.

Which then makes the bouquet a 'I know what you did, and thank you' moment, because while Twi & co might not have realized what she was up to, Discord totally did.


and that does it for me about it being a good thing Discord betrayed them. :yay:
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 3:21 pm

Honestly, I don't think either Discord or Celestia planned the whole thing - maybe Twi was their backup plan, but they both went in thinking Discord would save the day, and not even Discord thought he'd betray them until he'd actually done it.

I really doubt Celestia would put the entirety of Equestria and possibly the world on the line just to teach Discord about friendship.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 3:40 pm

Heh. That sounds ripped straight out of South Park.

"That's the most horrible story I've ever heard. Why would God do such horrible things to a good person just to prove a point to Satan? :psygum: "
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 3:43 pm

Foxfyre wrote:Honestly, I don't think either Discord or Celestia planned the whole thing - maybe Twi was their backup plan, but they both went in thinking Discord would save the day, and not even Discord thought he'd betray them until he'd actually done it.

I really doubt Celestia would put the entirety of Equestria and possibly the world on the line just to teach Discord about friendship.


She would need to if it meant opening the chest though. She never showed surprise at the chest or what was in it
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 4:00 pm

Foxfyre wrote:Honestly, I don't think either Discord or Celestia planned the whole thing - maybe Twi was their backup plan, but they both went in thinking Discord would save the day, and not even Discord thought he'd betray them until he'd actually done it.

I really doubt Celestia would put the entirety of Equestria and possibly the world on the line just to teach Discord about friendship.


The key is it was never on the line, she rigged the game.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 7:04 pm

If there is one truth we have learned from this show, it is evidently that everything happens precisely according to Celestia's plan. :v:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed May 14, 2014 7:09 pm

Wylie wrote:If there is one truth we have learned from this show, it is evidently that everything happens precisely according to Celestia's plan. :v:



And that's why some people don't care for her much. She needs to be wrong at least once in the show!

I think this is why I like Comic Celestia over show Celestia, comic Celestia isn't perfect. :twiright:
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