S04E19: Trade Ya!

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Re: S04E19: Trade Ya!

Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:44 pm

Hearing wheelchair pony's lines made me wonder if he was voiced by... someone other than a professional actor. As a favor. And that the episode was pushed back because he was put in to replace a different pony that originally had that role. He sounds too old to be a Make-a-Wish Foundation kid, but something along those lines was what came to mind.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:45 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:I think the pony in the wheelchair device has an excellent, amazing color scheme. He looked kind of like an OC's design in a way that was different from the normal show style and somewhat distinctive, but I definitely think it was a good design. If the show staff can start designing more background ponies like that, the show's overall palette of background ponies will really benefit.

Eh, I didn't really like this one, honestly. I think ponies look best when sticking to light colors. There's a couple awesome dark-themed ones too, but it seems like they can get away with more on the lighter side.

EDIT: Amazingly... Pocket is right. (Got this tip off of Ponychan)

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:49 pm

Discord wrote:I thought the Pinkie-Twilight story worked well :pinkieshrug: Pinkie was off-the wall in a believable way, eccentric in a manner that doesn't betray her character and kind of harkening back to her market sensibilities in "Putting Your Hoof Down". The transition into Twilight realizing the value of her books worked well for me too, and I thought it was a pleasantly surprising resolution to the little story. It wasn't as developed as the RD/Fluts, but for its length, I really liked it.

Oh yeah, it definitely fit Pinkie very well. I guess it's just that having her get on Twilight's nerves like that just isn't anything terribly new, at least as far as Twilight's exasperation goes. But maybe I've just had my fill of Twilight groaning and grumbling after last week's episode.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:57 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Eh, I didn't really like this one, honestly. I think ponies look best when sticking to light colors. There's a couple awesome dark-themed ones too, but it seems like they can get away with more on the lighter side.

EDIT: Amazingly... Pocket is right. (Got this tip off of Ponychan)

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Well, that's interesting. I wonder how this one came about. :ponder:

I'm...not sure how to feel about it. The OC definitely stood out in a less-than-savory way. But it seems to have been a deserving kid and cause.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:59 pm

Huh...that's really interesting. I hope that kid and his cause get more publicity because of this.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:04 pm

At least this episode was actually a good chance to have someone who isn't a professional actor do a voice. I guess that's why this was delayed, then.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:05 pm

It's a genius move by the family, I think. Just email EqD to get the fundraiser train moving and boom, brony cash. And he did OK VAing, although I had to use CC just now to figure out "eat an oat burger". He didn't enunciate -ger very well.

Well anyways, gg you're all dead:

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:06 pm

That pouting face looks really weird with almost nothing indicating where their upper lips are.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:08 pm

Fluttershy's face is freaking me out. Rainbow Dash isn't any better.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:08 pm

I'm guessing it was supposed to look weird, especially since the Wheelchair Pony pretty much brushed them off.

I was wondering why that Pony had wheelchair. Now we know. Funny on on another thread we were talking about how this show can introduce a disabled character without getting heavy-handed. This episode pretty much gave us that.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:09 pm

Wayoshi wrote:It's a genius move by the family, I think. Just email EqD to get the fundraiser train moving and boom, brony cash. And he did OK VAing, although I had to use CC just now to figure out "eat an oat burger". He didn't enunciate -ger very well.

Well anyways, gg you're all dead:

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I was dead the moment I realized we were getting RD/Fluttershy adventure.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:09 pm

It will look better in a GIF when I have my new AV. :twiright:

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I guess I'm R.D. here. "... right? what?" :-P
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Pocket wrote:Hearing wheelchair pony's lines made me wonder if he was voiced by... someone other than a professional actor. As a favor. And that the episode was pushed back because he was put in to replace a different pony that originally had that role. He sounds too old to be a Make-a-Wish Foundation kid, but something along those lines was what came to mind.



The person who voiced him, Sylvain LeVasseur-Portelance, actually does suffer from Spinal Muscular Atrophy in real life. I give props to DHX for giving disabled fans/actors some work!
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Whoa, how did I miss this? When Rarity and Applejack are arguing who's a better friend, in the background you can see Fluttershy fly past three times. On the third time she's with Rainbow Dash, carrying an antique chicken.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:16 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Whoa, how did I miss this? When Rarity and Applejack are arguing who's a better friend, in the background you can see Fluttershy fly past three times. On the third time she's with Rainbow Dash, carrying an antique chicken.

There were a whole bunch of background details in this episode. I really appreciated it, as it actually made the event really feel alive.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:17 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:That pouting face looks really weird with almost nothing indicating where their upper lips are.


Could not resist the easy joke:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:17 pm

Wow, I completely missed that...I'll definitely have to look out for it when I watch it again.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:23 pm

Background details / storytelling: forever a strength of pony.

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:24 pm

That Dash/Fluttershy image reminds me of an old Bugs Bunny cartoon where the witch wanted to make rabbit stew out of him and he had the exact same look in his eyes.

:rainbert: :glare: Thanks a bunch PonyHag.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:28 pm

I think what bothered me about the Twi/Pinkie plot thread was that Pinkie is not setting out to show Twi the value of the books, she's just being a doofball (as usual) insisting on real value for the trade as a 3rd party, even though Twi doesn't care at the start. How Pinkie gets Twi from point A to point B isn't that organic.

It's still an OK thread but I wanted to go back to the other pairs mostly while watching.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:29 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Background details / storytelling: forever a strength of pony.

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Remember that creature on the left? :)


Looks like someone wasn't as scared of that cave as the Apples were.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:30 pm

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:v: Bring us the pony, and wipe away the debt!
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:36 pm

This was an okay episode. There were a couple of weird logic/character motivation holes that stood out to me in a distracting way; they piled on so many unnecessary extra reasons for Dash to want the book that it stopped making sense (There's only one first edition in existence? What kind of publisher has single-copy print runs?), and Twilight's about-face on the books at the end feels out-of-place and gives that whole subplot kind of a weird moral. I was sure they were building towards some point about how pushy and inappropriate Pinkie Pie's salesmanship is but they ended up not touching on that at all. That's not typically the kind of thing that bothers me and it didn't ruin the episode or anything, but I did find myself getting pulled out of the story a couple of times.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:39 pm

The good: I traded Fluttershy for a book nooo... :saddash:

The bad: The other subplots went nowhere and were basically filler.

The ugly: Pinkie Pie felt particularly motiveless this episode.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:41 pm

Opposing Farce wrote:This was an okay episode. There were a couple of weird logic/character motivation holes that stood out to me in a distracting way; they piled on so many unnecessary extra reasons for Dash to want the book that it stopped making sense (There's only one first edition in existence? What kind of publisher has single-copy print runs?), and Twilight's about-face on the books at the end feels out-of-place and gives that whole subplot kind of a weird moral. I was sure they were building towards some point about how pushy and inappropriate Pinkie Pie's salesmanship is but they ended up not touching on that at all. That's not typically the kind of thing that bothers me and it didn't ruin the episode or anything, but I did find myself getting pulled out of the story a couple of times.



I think Dash meant this was the only one in Equestria currently for sale. She was just being abit over dramatic about it cause she's such a DD fangirl.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:53 pm

:-/ I just realized that because of Pinkie, a child was prevented from learning the magic of reading...
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:00 pm

Pinkie has no real motivation because...well, she says so.

She just came along to peoplewatch, going full-on auctioneer was Pinkie's way of amusing herself while everyone else did their swapping.

Dash is going batty because it's the only first-edition autographed copy...which actually isn't out of the ordinary, especially for a small-print run. The first print run of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (UK version namely, actually ...and the Philosopher's Stone) was a mere 500 copies- and 300 of those ended up in libraries, meaning the odds of a first edition, autographed copy even existing was incredibly, incredibly small. Only one? Imagine if there were only 200 copies in private circulation to begin with for Dash's possible collection, and it was before Daring Do was popular!
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:35 pm

Opposing Farce wrote:This was an okay episode. There were a couple of weird logic/character motivation holes that stood out to me in a distracting way; they piled on so many unnecessary extra reasons for Dash to want the book that it stopped making sense (There's only one first edition in existence? What kind of publisher has single-copy print runs?), and Twilight's about-face on the books at the end feels out-of-place and gives that whole subplot kind of a weird moral. I was sure they were building towards some point about how pushy and inappropriate Pinkie Pie's salesmanship is but they ended up not touching on that at all. That's not typically the kind of thing that bothers me and it didn't ruin the episode or anything, but I did find myself getting pulled out of the story a couple of times.



As a collector myself, while ONE extant copy is low, very, very rare is not unheard of. There have been examples of shipments of print runs getting severely damaged, leaving only a very few copies on the market. In such a situation, it is entirely possible for the remaining copies to belong to libraries (run by others than HRH Twilight Sparkle) and other collectors, who are not selling, thank you very much. I know I’ll never part with my Albedo #2, for instance.

Also this:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:40 pm

Man, I can watch that GIF all day.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:43 pm

The iris and pupil of Fluttershy's left eye are bouncing off the bottom of it. Look at it go! :gotcha:
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:47 pm

Aramek wrote:CHARLES NELSON RILEY PONY! :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm:


He was kind of a weird mashup of Charles Nelson Reilly and Paul Lynde. His voice was sort of more Lynde but he was dressed like CNR. At least, I think. Maybe I'm getting them mixed up. :ponder:

Also I'm surprised no one pointed out that The Dude Pony was running the burger stand, and apparently has a cutie mark in fry cooking. I wonder if he runs an In-and-Oat Burger. :-P

Episode was ok. It was uneventful in a good way.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:54 pm

Aramek wrote:CHARLES NELSON RILEY PONY! :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm:

He's Gummy's cousin :v:

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Postby Kitsune (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:58 pm

Just watched this episode, it was good!

I feel like they might've been pushing it a bit and didn't quite flesh out all three plot threads as well as they could have so none of them was especially impactful, but as a silly bit of slice of life, it was great. Nothing really new this episode, but it was good for just watching pones be pones.

The animation was great, too - lots of unique designs and and moving parts, and the whole trade scene just felt natural no matter what weird stuff was going on. It's true that the overall plot didn't really hit hard, but they slipped in so many little details that I just loved every scene.

I also have to say that the second act was really the best part - the beginning and ending felt kinda weak, but watching everything in motion was where the episode shined. I honestly forgot there even were commercial breaks, because everything in that little bubble of time between them went so perfectly.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:43 pm

Scary pony?
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All in all, the episode was an enjoyable piece of fluff. The only scene that didn’t really do anything at all was the back and forth of finding out which kind of antique chicken the wheeled pony wanted.

Putting the only two ponies I would expect to know anything about trading together was a natural fit, and of course the aesthete and the utilitarian would clash in their attempts to eventually out-friend the other. The self-less and the selfish (well, until a split second after she made the trade. Not that I’m blaming her, I remember my own elation when I finally (after 15-20 years of collecting them) completed my own collection of first edition, hardcover, signed and numbered Usagi Yojimbo volumes) went on a truly epic quest, and finally the modest and the Pink. Though I am a bit peeved about HRH Twilight Sparkle treating the library stock as her own property (she may not have any more need for them, but what about the library’s patrons?), she came through in the end. Don’t throw perfectly good books out. Build a bigger library, or make a branch, I dunno, at The Two Sisters’ Castle, mayhap?

As in Castle Mane-ia, a pairing of ponies (with poor Spike sidelined this time) ensured comedy. Looking forward to eventually/hopefully seeing other combinations, e.g., (Spike, (∃p: p ∈ {Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy})), (HRH Twilight Sparkle, (∃p: p ∈ {Fluttershy, Rarity})).

Could have been fun to see what drove Spike to do his own trade at the last moment.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:50 pm

I'll never unsee Flutterpupils. :modesty:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:01 pm

Well, that was a screwball premise for an episode, but holy moly did it ever pack a lot into 22 minutes.

:offendash: Whooooo'll take my rusty horseshoooooe?!

So the iron law of the princesses watches swap meets like a hawk to make sure everyone gets a fair deal, but shady old antique shops in Canterlot sell amulets of untold power completely unregulated.

PONY WAGS THE TAIL :awesomedash:
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Niels Olof wrote:Though I am a bit peeved about HRH Twilight Sparkle treating the library stock as her own property (she may not have any more need for them, but what about the library’s patrons?)

Technically, while she did say, "The library's overflowing," she also said those books were sent to her by Celestia. It's possible they were never official library copies in the first place. On the other hand, as someone else mentioned earlier, libraries do have book sales fairly regularly because they can't just build a new wing every time they fill up the shelves.
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Postby Kamek (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:31 pm

I haven't even gotten to the opening sequence and I'm already :facehoof:

:twiright: There has to be a princess at the trader's exchange every year. I'm sure none of the other ponies will even notice I'm here.

:v: You mean like in every other episode this season?

:twiright: Exactly!

:crack: LOOK! THE PRINCESS! *streamers and confetti*

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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:36 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:And... this is a thing that is official MLP canon now, I guess. :wat:
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Yeah, what the hell indeed... :gonkity:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:39 pm

Eh, I thought it was completely hilarious. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:40 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:PONY WAGS THE TAIL :awesomedash:
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she is such precious baby I wanna hug her forever :awesomedash: :allears:
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