S05E15: Rarity Investigates!

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Re: S05E15: Rarity Investigates!

Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:01 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Perhaps the writers thought fans would have their own ideas. Like I said, I personally wondered that maybe Lightning Dust would be behind all this. She knows plenty about the Wonderbolts, has a score to settle with Spitfire, and has worked with Rainbow Dash before, which'd explain how she might've gotten that bit of hair that was put in the envelope.


Yeah, I saw a couple comments before saying they wondered if Issue 34 of the comics would contradict this week's episode - I'm guessing they had similar ideas. Me, I was actually half-wondering for a lot of the episode if it would turn out that Dash really *did* do it. I think I might've also wondered if Spitfire was making an excuse to get out of it for whatever reason. I *probably* suspected Wind Rider too, but just as one possibility out of a few.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:03 pm

The look of somepony who has accepted a challenge, confident they will prevail:
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Suddenly, Rarity's hats seem less extravagant:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:19 pm

Is it just me, or is Rarity's detective method similar to Columbo's. I definitely had a Columbo vibe while watching.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:23 pm

Where in Equestria is Rarity Sandiego?

Wherever fabulousness is needed of course!

Now I have the urge to play The Laura Bow Mysteries or Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe though. Yet I do not own those games. I think. :-/
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:26 pm

I wonder why jazz with a harmon mute trumpet lead became the go-to soundtrack for film noir. :ponder:

Double Indemnity, which is like the signature Film Noir picture, used traditional orchestral score, not the jazzy trumpet stuff.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:30 pm

Octavia wrote:I wonder why jazz with a harmon mute trumpet lead became the go-to soundtrack for film noir. :ponder:

I have a similar question with organ music and soap operas. :ponder:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:44 pm

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:46 pm

Bakertoons wrote:I have a similar question with organ music and soap operas. :ponder:

I'm guessing that's because most soap operas were originally broadcast live as they happened from the studio, so they needed a versatile instrument where improvisation on the fly was possible. Piano could've worked too, but that might make it sound too much like a stage play's dress rehearsal.
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Postby PhoolCat (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:49 pm

...and one by one, all the ponies got their hearts' desires...

:vogue: a boutique in Canterlot!

:awesomedash: joining the Wonderbolts!

:-/ if the next episode is books, somepony's going to get turned into an orange.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:57 pm

Octavia wrote:I'm guessing that's because most soap operas were originally broadcast live as they happened from the studio, so they needed a versatile instrument where improvisation on the fly was possible. Piano could've worked too, but that might make it sound too much like a stage play's dress rehearsal.


Especially versatile, if they were using something as magnificent as theater or cinema organs.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:04 pm

This animation is pretty amazing:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:14 pm

Thought I mention: Wind Rider's voice was provided by Jan Rabson. His only other voice on the show was...Mulia Mild in MMMMystery on the Friendship Express :v:

He also voiced incidental characters in films like Up, Toy Story 2 and 3, WALL-E, and Minions.
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:15 pm

This episode was great! I really really liked the continuity between this episode and the last. It's not something we see too often in the show. I'm a sucker for film noir so I really enjoyed the investigation scenes and the music that went along with them. Having the trumpet playing pony actually have a mute was a nice touch. I didn't figure out the mystery at first but in hindsight it was pretty obvious considering they introduced a new character but hey I didn't manage to catch it. :pinkieshrug: Rarity and Rainbow Dash being the only 2 mane characters worked pretty well, I wish they would do more 2 character episodes like that. Overall a really solid episode that's probably somewhere in my top 10.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:37 pm

This episode was an absolute joy to behold. :allears:

Rarity brought out her A++ game. :vogue:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:02 am

Bakertoons wrote:Thought I mention: Wind Rider's voice was provided by Jan Rabson. His only other voice on the show was...Mulia Mild in MMMMystery on the Friendship Express :v:

Ain't the first time something like that's happened. Peter New did the voice of Goldie Delicious, after all.

As soon as I heard him, though, I really had to wonder if Wind Rider was being played by some sort of surprise guest star. His voice seemed incredibly distinctive, like nothing I'd really heard on this show before.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:36 am

Mixed reaction to this one. I loved, loved, loved the slice of life stuff. Loved Rarity hanging out with Sassy Saddles at the boutique. Loved Rarity hanging out with Rainbow Dash at the party. Loved Rarity hanging out with Spitfire's mom at the arena. But that mystery was pretty bleh. Like, remedial Scooby Doo.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:47 am

Daaaamn, now this is how you do a whodunit detective story :awesomedash:

It blows MMMystery out of the water so hard in so many ways it really brings home how much better that episode could have (should have) been. In retrospect everything in it was a complete ass-pull, which I guess is in-character for it being a Pinkie episode, but even so all that does is underline how inappropriate Pinkie is as the vehicle by which to deliver this kind of story.

Making this one a Rarity episode means she's playing the detective part not because she's delusional (she straight-up points out that she's channeling the noir character), but because attention to detail is both the key to solving a mystery and her own personal strength. It's also the theme for the execution of the episode as a whole, right down to the noir-ified end theme music (Octavia, can you comment on whether this is actually a new arrangement of the FiM end-credits theme, or is it a new piece? I can't hear any similarities, but everyone is talking like it's the same song). The animation details, though, as pointed out above; the careful setup of all the little clues and bits of foreshadowing, like the silk staining and the cologne and the discussion of the record; and shit like this:

:vogue: He said, and I quote:

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:vogue: That's the polite yet disingenuous laugh you make when you want to seem happy but really you're not.

Now that is some fuckin' top-drawer self-aware writing right there.

Ultimately the fact that the entire first 8 minutes or so feels like "just some stuff happening in Canterlot" is the episode's biggest strength. You're just watching some backstage dishing between characters, nothing special going on, just another day in pony world. You're seeing scenes like "saying good night in a hotel hallway" and "picking up some broccoli at a reception buffet". And the fact that every bit of that feels so insignificant at the time (and yet so much fun, because it's exactly the kind of slice-of-life stuff that makes the world feel alive and real) is what makes it so much more rewarding later when every single detail they included ends up being key to the resolution of the mystery—and not in a weird, contrived way like the way the pieces fit together in MMMystery, but in a way that feels organic. It really helps, too, that all the clues Rarity uncovered served to implicate Rainbow Dash, so all throughout the investigation you're misdirected into thinking maybe it isn't the obvious New Friend Geromy who's the bad guy, maybe all this is leading somewhere weird and implausible like suddenly it turns out Lightning Dust or Starlight Glimmer is hiding under the bleachers controlling a robot delivery pony or some shit. When you get the actual reveal, and all the clues start clicking into place, it's more rewarding than you were ready to give it credit for, especially given the way it all plays out considering Wind Rider's status and stature and the awkward fact that he's still standing around there telling them all what he did and how and yet confident that nobody can or will dare touch him—and then they do anyway! After just enough time goes by that you realize they're not just following the Scooby-Doo script, even if the end result is more or less the same. Ultimately it's all about character and texture and detail, and the structure of the story itself is kind of immaterial and certainly hardly ground-breaking. Which is what has always been the strength of pony.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:59 am

One thing I really liked is that it showed Rainbow Dash as an actual member of the Wonderbolt Reserves. We knew she passed the test, but that was really the last we had heard of it. Now we know that not only is she in the reserves, we know that the reserves means they are actually backups for the Wonderbolts. That's a bit more impressive than the reserves being some side group that's not as important as the main force. Then Rainbow Dash finishes the episode flying with them. Combine that with all the praise that Spitfire was throwing at her, as if Rainbow Dash joining them and breaking the record was a foregone conclusion.

Though she hasn't become a full member yet, it's pretty safe to say that she will. Her dream has really come true.

Rarity also has a successful boutique in Canterlot.

Rainbow Dash and Rarity are the two ponies that seemed to have the biggest and clearest goals, and now we've seen them actually achieve those goals. It's great to see that kind of growth in the series.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:04 am

Daring Do wrote:A lot of folks seem to have figured out the mystery from the start (I wasn't one of them). Was it really that obvious? I guess it was.

One EQD comment in particular points out they should've had more than one suspect and that even Scooby Doo does that. I think he's got a point.

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Although Spitfire's mother was there too, but there was no reason for her to sabotage her own daughter.

I think they avoided throwing too many twists into this one because they were really pushing to get the whole investigation in before the end of the episode. They'd have needed to restructure the whole first half of the episode if they wanted more ambiguity because they spent so much time setting the story up ahead of time.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:27 am

I think we can all agree this episode maximized the premise of "Rarity noir", whether that fitted your tastes for an episode or not.

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I really liked how incidental things such as the loose curtain did matter... I didn't notice any change in Wind Rider's scarf either.

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EDIT: Huh, I wonder if the same blue body color is intentional considering his idol status with RD.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:36 am

Wayoshi wrote:I think we can all agree this episode maximized the premise of "Rarity noir", whether that fitted your tastes for an episode or not.

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:allears: I didn't realize she wore that dress in the episode. Guess the low quality and the Black and White made it hard to tell during airing.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:38 am

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I pulled out the ol' Photoshop eyedropper tool just to be sure this wasn't one of those optical illusions: Dash and Rider are the same color.

Also, it looks like the event was catered by the same restaurant that made dinner for Moondancer and company. After all, who doesn't like grill marks on their broccoli? :v:
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:45 am

They just draw those marks on the veggies to make their Canterlot clientele feel fancy. :vogue:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:02 am

Master_Twig wrote:One thing I really liked is that it showed Rainbow Dash as an actual member of the Wonderbolt Reserves. We knew she passed the test, but that was really the last we had heard of it. Now we know that not only is she in the reserves, we know that the reserves means they are actually backups for the Wonderbolts. That's a bit more impressive than the reserves being some side group that's not as important as the main force. Then Rainbow Dash finishes the episode flying with them. Combine that with all the praise that Spitfire was throwing at her, as if Rainbow Dash joining them and breaking the record was a foregone conclusion.

Though she hasn't become a full member yet, it's pretty safe to say that she will. Her dream has really come true.

I agree, and this is something that I had also considered earlier. I remember that one of TT123's very few bits of criticism was that it perhaps felt like it was going nowhere with Rainbow Dash joining the Wonderbolts despite making such a big deal of it, yet this episode gave us some majorly concrete evidence of her progress whilst downplaying it at the same time.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:05 am

I liked it when Rainbow Dash called Rarity "Rare"
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:11 am

Just wondering if anyone noticed this. During the flashback of Wind Rider's scarf getting stained, this happened:

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This is a reference to Sherlock Holmes. The first pony is Professor Moriarty (note that his cutie mark is an apple with a bite on it). Pony!Sherlock's cutie mark is a bee (in the original books, he took up beekeeping upon retirement), and Pony!Watson's cutie mark is a smiley face (in one of the episodes of the Sherlock TV series, Sherlock paints a similar smiley face on the walls)
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:16 am

This episode made me squeel. The ending was rather obvious but then again it is still a kids show. Rarity seemed a bit overly flirty for my tastes but it was still enjoyable. I didn't even notice the credits music until it was mentioned here. I had to go back and check it.

I think they should do more episodes with multiple writers.

I give it 8/10 Rare boops. Would watch again. :allears:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:21 am

Bakertoons wrote:Just wondering if anyone noticed this. During the flashback of Wind Rider's scarf getting stained, this happened:

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This is a reference to Sherlock Holmes. The first pony is Professor Moriarty (note that his cutie mark is an apple with a bite on it). Pony!Sherlock's cutie mark is a bee (in the original books, he took up beekeeping upon retirement), and Pony!Watson's cutie mark is a smiley face (in one of the episodes of the Sherlock TV series, Sherlock paints a similar smiley face on the walls)


Damn. That's a pretty serviceable Cummerbund Bandersnatch pony.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:28 am

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Damn. That's a pretty serviceable Cummerbund Bandersnatch pony.


Should have been a Jonny Lee Miller pony. :grumpydash:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:34 am

From RD's dream (while she's being accused):

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From Top Gun:

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:39 am

Niels Olof wrote:My reaction to this episode: Image

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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:05 am

Wylie wrote:From RD's dream (while she's being accused):

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From Top Gun:

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Why the hell didn't I catch that? :amazing:

Yep. Along with everything else in it, this was one of the best episodes so far.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:12 am

The pony that bought that cake wasn't Wind Rider in disguise, you can see it's not him in the flashback when Rarity's talking about how they got chocolate on the scarf. Maybe I'm being incredibly thick, but that's just a loose end that hasn't been tied up, right? I mean, I didn't miss something obvious? That was a bit of a red herring for me.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:21 am

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:The pony that bought that cake wasn't Wind Rider in disguise, you can see it's not him in the flashback when Rarity's talking about how they got chocolate on the scarf. Maybe I'm being incredibly thick, but that's just a loose end that hasn't been tied up, right? I mean, I didn't miss something obvious? That was a bit of a red herring for me.

The cake wasn't shown being delivered; one of the guards already had it. That said, you'd think ponies would be able to tell a "girl pony with a raspy voice" from an older stallion, given the pointy chin. But it had to be Wind Rider who delivered it in person so he could slip the note to Spitfire about her mom and Soarin' about Spitfire. And then somehow prevent Spitfire from checking in with the rest of the team about it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:36 am

Eh, a few mares have longer faces and sharper chins. Look at Spitfire's mother, for example.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:57 pm

A small touch I like is when you see Rainbow Dash Wind Rider flying together and Rainbow Dash got distracted and flew ahead of Wind Rider a bit and he got mad and sped up. At first I thought that he was annoyed that she wasn't taking this seriously. But now that I look back on it he was clearly jealous of her performance. A nice little subtle touch they added in. :allears:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:10 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:The cake wasn't shown being delivered; one of the guards already had it. That said, you'd think ponies would be able to tell a "girl pony with a raspy voice" from an older stallion, given the pointy chin. But it had to be Wind Rider who delivered it in person so he could slip the note to Spitfire about her mom and Soarin' about Spitfire. And then somehow prevent Spitfire from checking in with the rest of the team about it.


Yeah, I just meant that the loose end was that his cake buying accomplice wasn't brought to justice, or identified.

When the cake was delivered by WR he must have done it without being seen, like leave it somewhere in plain sight for the guards to find, and then slip the note under Spitfire's door when they took a break.
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Postby PhoolCat (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:29 pm

Wind Rider bought and delivered the cake (he probably tried to disguise his voice to sound like a mare too), hence him getting the chocolate ganache on his scarf when leaving the shop.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:04 pm

When Rarity asked the guards about whether they took a break, I first heard it as "took a brick"—and I assumed it was some obscure slang for taking a bribe.

:vogue: I'm not saying you did, but if you took a bribe, you more than deserved it.

Which might have successfully loosened their tongues :smirk:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:07 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:The pony that bought that cake wasn't Wind Rider in disguise, you can see it's not him in the flashback when Rarity's talking about how they got chocolate on the scarf. Maybe I'm being incredibly thick, but that's just a loose end that hasn't been tied up, right? I mean, I didn't miss something obvious? That was a bit of a red herring for me.


My take is that there is no conflict. We are being shown the flashback as it is being told, and the cake vendor thought that she sold the cake to a mare, and therefore the pony appears as such. Those were the facts presented to Rarity and RD at that point, and they should also be the facts presented to the viewers.

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