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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:28 am

From everything I've heard, there will be a seventh season of FiM, airing before or during or even after the movie. Note that all I've heard is rumors from people who have met the show staff, so I can't verify that myself or anything. (The most interaction I've ever had with someone who worked on the show was that I once used the same bathroom as M. A. Larson at BronyCon.)
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:19 am

I was thinking about :byopinkie: today, of all things

Specifically about the excellent choice of hover text. And it made me consider again how much fun it is that the show was designed to play to the entrenched "need" for cupcakes and sweets to be in a cartoon for girls, yet it subverted it by making it a thing specifically for Pinkie Pie—who is deliberately presented as a wacky oddball—and the rest of pony society eats normal stuff like veggies and flowers and carrot hot dogs.

Oldpony, particularly G3, kind of made itself infamous for gumdrop castles and candy cane lanes and all that sort of sugary rot, as though that kind of thing has to be part of any entertainment for girls (I guess because it's supposed to appeal to girls' aspirations to work in kitchens and bake?). And then in the G3.5 revamp, they bowed to the pressure of the times (I guess) and replaced the plates of cookies with fruits and vegetables—a token change in the scheme of things, but clearly there was some effort made to change up the status quo.



But in FiM, by making Pinkie's fixation on sweets be something that defines her specifically, and something that everyone else finds kind of weird and uncanny about her, plays a really interesting game with the old tropes. Nobody's going to grow up watching the show and thinking "I wish I lived in a world made of literal candy", nor even are they going to think "in an ideal world, you get to eat candy and cupcakes all the time". Instead pastry time is a special occasion, something you have to summon the Cakes to cater for you, and something for them to stress about and give them deadlines and responsibilities and financial constraints—the otherwise unseen "adult" side of celebratory eating. It takes all the mystique and novelty out of it, while still keeping it fun by making it part of Pinkie Pie's rules-of-physics-breaking goofball character :byopinkie:
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Postby Auxiliatrix (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:26 am

Headless Horse wrote:I was thinking about :byopinkie: today, of all things

Specifically about the excellent choice of hover text. And it made me consider again how much fun it is that the show was designed to play to the entrenched "need" for cupcakes and sweets to be in a cartoon for girls, yet it subverted it by making it a thing specifically for Pinkie Pie—who is deliberately presented as a wacky oddball—and the rest of pony society eats normal stuff like veggies and flowers and carrot hot dogs.

Oldpony, particularly G3, kind of made itself infamous for gumdrop castles and candy cane lanes and all that sort of sugary rot, as though that kind of thing has to be part of any entertainment for girls (I guess because it's supposed to appeal to girls' aspirations to work in kitchens and bake?). And then in the G3.5 revamp, they bowed to the pressure of the times (I guess) and replaced the plates of cookies with fruits and vegetables—a token change in the scheme of things, but clearly there was some effort made to change up the status quo.



But in FiM, by making Pinkie's fixation on sweets be something that defines her specifically, and something that everyone else finds kind of weird and uncanny about her, plays a really interesting game with the old tropes. Nobody's going to grow up watching the show and thinking "I wish I lived in a world made of literal candy", nor even are they going to think "in an ideal world, you get to eat candy and cupcakes all the time". Instead pastry time is a special occasion, something you have to summon the Cakes to cater for you, and something for them to stress about and give them deadlines and responsibilities and financial constraints—the otherwise unseen "adult" side of celebratory eating. It takes all the mystique and novelty out of it, while still keeping it fun by making it part of Pinkie Pie's rules-of-physics-breaking goofball character :byopinkie:


This is a surprisingly deep analysis with a very good point. Kudos to you! :-D

I'm glad that there is more variety to the food of Equestria, and that Pinkie's personality is actually kind of helped by this fact. I've never watched G3 (as I never was a fan during this time or before then), but it seems a lot more shallow and cutesy than the show we have today.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:05 pm

I love talking about G3 and G3.5. I grew up watching ponies and I was a fan of them when they came out. G3 had very little conflict and G3.5 managed to have even less then that. There was an episode in G3.5 were the plot was literally waiting for paint to dry. The main antagonist of the show was a strong breeze. It was cute and adorable and managed to be the least conversational thing in existence.
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From G1 on ward the series felt like it was becoming more watered down with each new reincarnation. Back then the fans liked the toys, not so much the show. After newborn cuties, the fans thought the show aspect of the franchise had all but died and passed away. We longed for the days of G1, what we thought was the peak of pony adventure. Then when G4 came out it was like the phoenix that rose from the ashes and reached heights never thought possible.

Before G4, the fandom was very inactive. Maybe once every couple of months there was news of Hasbro releasing a new pony toy that gave me the chance to recapture my childhood. I didn't even realize G4 came out until half way through the first season. Things really changed quickly after that.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:42 am

Is that about how the pre-FiM fandom feels in general? I guess I'd been under the impression that they were mostly annoyed with this generation, particularly for the first few years when there was little variety in the toys and blindbag figures and such, then later upset with us (by which I mean, bronies) for ruining the show or something.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:03 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Is that about how the pre-FiM fandom feels in general? I guess I'd been under the impression that they were mostly annoyed with this generation, particularly for the first few years when there was little variety in the toys and blindbag figures and such, then later upset with us (by which I mean, bronies) for ruining the show or something.


There is a lot of legitimate anger/sadness over how a very feminine franchise enjoyed by women got very much highjacked by loud men. It was a small fandom, and it was very nice it got expanded in such a way, but from all my interactions with the pre-G4 fandom, I saw a lot of understandable sadness, too.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:12 pm

Yes, there was a lot confusion, then anger, and then sadness. You have to understand the dynamics of the franchise changed completely with the popularity FiM. Before G4, the shows were more of a novelty. You get many one or two seasons a decade, some toy tie-ins, but that was about it. For the fans, it was all about the toys. The toys were how the fans learned about new characters and world lore. It would be like if the seasons of FiM were 5 to 7 years apart and the only tidbits you learned about the characters were the short descriptions on the toy package. They even had pre-FiM conventions but they were small and mostly focused on what clever designs you can put on your pony toys.

With the popularity of FiM, Hasbro focused exclusively on just producing mane six toys. This made pre-FiM sad because they weren't producing any new character toys like they use too. Where is Minty? Shady? Glory? Not only that, they barely made any brushable ponies. Which is like a toy staple. It would be like getting a transformer toy that doesn't transform. So all these loyal fans from decades ago felt like they got pushed aside by the bronies. It feels like pre-FiM is the dark past that Hasbro doesn't like talking about much.

I made the transition rather well. I loved the shows and bought a ton of toys. At this point I'm sure G4 won't be as easily forgotten when G5 comes out. And the previous generations won't be forgotten by me at all.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:33 pm

I remember Transformers being the same way, actually. When they were brand-new and I was a 7-year-old kid, there was nothing cooler in the world than a transforming toy, and much as I loved cartoons I didn't need there to even be a show to support the two or three car-robots I'd managed to cajole my mom into buying me.

Parents generally make a lot of careful decisions when they're deciding what to buy their kids to keep them quiet. They'll have to decide whether they want their kids playing with things that reinforce a love of space battles and violence, or whether they want their kids obsessing over makeup and hairstyling; some will say no, some will say yes, some will grudgingly give in to what the kids insist on. But it's often a completely separate decision that they make from the one over whether they'll let the kid watch a cartoon about laser robots or candy-eating ponies. And sometimes the outcome is very different. I know my parents weren't any too thrilled at my watching the TF show, though my saving up money to buy the toys was all just good clean fun.

I don't know if things have changed in the intervening 30 years; maybe parents these days are more likely to trust TV as a source of kids' entertainment versus letting the toys be the driving force, and maybe that's part of why Hasbro decided to lead with the show for G4 instead of making the "entertainment" into just an afterthought portion of their marketing budget for a high-effort toyline. Or maybe TV itself has changed enough, what with new methods of content delivery and a freshened emphasis on seasonal storytelling arcs as opposed to disposable 80s-style episodic content, that they thought it was a more viable primary means of engaging with kids than it used to be.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:50 pm



Now when do we get to the episode where Flurry Heart gets told about the time she almost destroyed the Crystal Empire?

Quick recap, Baby Flurry Heart's Heartfelt Scarpbook is a series on the MLP youtube channel that summarizes major plot points and lore of the show in a felt style (puns!).

Honestly if you ever need to explain the different pony races, or what the hell is up with cutie marks, the videos do a decent job of explaining them in two minutes.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:22 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Parents generally make a lot of careful decisions when they're deciding what to buy their kids to keep them quiet. They'll have to decide whether they want their kids playing with things that reinforce a love of space battles and violence, or whether they want their kids obsessing over makeup and hairstyling; some will say no, some will say yes, some will grudgingly give in to what the kids insist on. But it's often a completely separate decision that they make from the one over whether they'll let the kid watch a cartoon about laser robots or candy-eating ponies. And sometimes the outcome is very different. I know my parents weren't any too thrilled at my watching the TF show, though my saving up money to buy the toys was all just good clean fun.

I never watched the Transformers show when it was airing. I'm not sure if it was just on the wrong channel, or if my parents disapproved. But then I got Go-Bots toys instead of Transformers because they were cheaper and harder to break. :-P

I don't know if things have changed in the intervening 30 years; maybe parents these days are more likely to trust TV as a source of kids' entertainment versus letting the toys be the driving force, and maybe that's part of why Hasbro decided to lead with the show for G4 instead of making the "entertainment" into just an afterthought portion of their marketing budget for a high-effort toyline. Or maybe TV itself has changed enough, what with new methods of content delivery and a freshened emphasis on seasonal storytelling arcs as opposed to disposable 80s-style episodic content, that they thought it was a more viable primary means of engaging with kids than it used to be.

Well, parents were pretty mad at how merch-heavy kids' shows used to be. Maybe companies like Hasbro were scared away from being so blatant about how they tie media and toys together.

But I'm surprised the toy and animation departments are so disconnected these days. On one hand, that freedom on the TV side has been great for pony's creative development, compared to something like He-Man, where every episode was dictated by the the toys they had to sell.


On the other hand, the toys lived in a completely different world for about 4-5 years until they finally started doing some more show-accurate figurines and things. Like, why did they jump on toys like Princess Twilight's convertible and just now, in season 6, release a Golden Oaks playset? Transformers' toy and cartoon divisions seem to be much more in tune with each other.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:00 pm

Heh, I had Go-Bots myself. And I was super pissed at Transformers, the latecomers, who "ripped off" Go-Bots and somehow managed to become more popular.

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:11 pm

The Go-Bots had the better TV intro.

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Postby Bakufoon (?) » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:15 pm

It baffles me how bad Hasbro is at using their toy commercial cartoon to actually sell toys. It's taken them like 4 years to make a set of toys based on the Nightmare Night episode! Even the most recent wave of the 3 inch brushables (the translucent ones with glitter) would have made more sense to release in their Crystal Princess line from around the start of season 3 because they actually look kind of like crystal ponies.

The show runners do such a good job of designing characters, why doesn't the toy department use them! When season 5 premiered there should have been toys of Sugar Belle and Night Glider along side Starlight Glimmer. I'd like Party Favor and Double Diamond too but I've completely given up hope that Hasbro will make any more of the boy characters. :/

Hell, even the toys they do release aren't always really show accurate. Everyone knows about the Pink Celestia, but have you even looked at a Twilight brushable and noticed how the body color is more pink than purple, and that they're no blue in her hair despite that being the primary color?

It wasn't until I started collecting the past gen pony toys that I realized how awful the g4 toyline is. I don't blame the past gen fans who aren't happy with g4.

God, I could rant all day about the g4 toys :-/
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:59 am

As I understand it, it's because Hasbro had still been running FiM toys-first up until about when season 3 and EqG were produced. Cadance being made into an alicorn (and hell, the whole royal wedding, changelings aside) was done for toys, Twilight becoming an alicorn was done for toys, the humans in EqG got designed toys-first and tossed to DHX for them to animate something with... I think it's after MMC and the huge marketing blitz that Hasbro backed off and quit requiring so many toy-based design decisions, but even then it took a while afterwards for their toymakers to start really following the show. Big corporations take time to change, I guess.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:25 pm

On the subject of food, was Ticket Master the only time when anyone (Spike in the restaurant) even alluded to eating grass?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:45 pm

Hay is made from grass, so if that counts then there's been many instances of ponies eating it. When Spike directly mentioned grass in The Ticket Master, though, that could've been an attempt at an E/I sort of thing where the show was trying to explain to kids the grass-hay relationship.

Grass as an ingredient is mentioned twice (Owl's Well That Ends Well has Spike mentioning grass pancakes to Twilight, and in Spice Up Your Life, one of Saffron Masala's dishes is "a grass sandwich that has been marinated overnight in a mustard Dijon dressing"). However, I don't particularly remember any cases of a pony reaching down and taking a bite of grass straight from the ground.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:46 pm

Headless Horse wrote:On the subject of food, was Ticket Master the only time when anyone (Spike in the restaurant) even alluded to eating grass?


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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:19 am

Sometimes I rewatch Find A Pet and I always go "oh right, this song has those weird :whatsup: faces in it" :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:52 am

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Postby Auxiliatrix (?) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:01 am

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:59 pm

It's Thursday yet again, so tonight we're gonna run more of S4 and also last week's episode on the Pasture at 7:30 Eastern.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:36 pm

Curious, did they make a brony reference in Suicide Squad? Boomerang was carrying around a pink unicorn that he called "Pinkie." It showed up twice but had no plot relevance.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:21 am

So apparently this card is in the MLP card game:

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Postby PhoolCat (?) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:58 am

mods please change the forums subtitle to Attention Horsie Forums :3
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:04 pm

I was just thinking, did the CMC ever have their cuteceñearas?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:11 pm

Not really. I was thinking that it'd kind of been implied at the end of Crusaders of the Lost Mark, but it turns out that episode didn't actually have a party for them.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:25 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I was just thinking, did the CMC ever have their cuteceñearas?


:crushed: Uhhhhhhhh, a cuteceñeara is kind of a little kid's party
:scheming: ... but on the other hoof, the Crusaders are the definition of late bloomers. A cuteceñeara at their age would be like bringing a clown to a teenager's birthday party!
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:36 pm

Pinkie was talking about it at the end of Crusaders (she even dropped the name, a nice callback), but we never actually saw it.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:03 am

Yeah, they were getting ready to have it at the end of the episode, but they never showed it.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:43 pm

Hey, so the show's director is doing a contest, where a winner gets a Fluttershy and Discord Guardians of Harmony figurine. Deadline is August 27, the morning a new episode airs.

Here's the whole post on how to enter - https://twitter.com/TheBiggestJim/statu ... 5890088960
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:52 am

Specifically, it's a charity drive. Donate at least $5 to a charity of your choice, show Big Jim the email receipt, and he'll enter you into it.
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Postby Auxiliatrix (?) » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:33 am

Mr. Big wrote:Hey, so the show's director is doing a contest, where a winner gets a Fluttershy and Discord Guardians of Harmony figurine. Deadline is August 27, the morning a new episode airs.

Here's the whole post on how to enter - https://twitter.com/TheBiggestJim/statu ... 5890088960


That's pretty cool! I might consider entering it, especially if it'll help a good cause. :-P
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:39 pm

Visit the Pasture tonight at 7:30 Eastern for more old S4 episodes and also a rewatch of 28 Pranks Later.

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:41 am



Summary from EqD:

As discussed with Lauren Faust, Celestia and Luna were born alicorns from a race of alicorns before Equestria existed.
The alicorn race stuck to themselves.
During this time, there were also earth ponies, pegusai, and unicorns constantly fighting on the side.
The three pony races decided to found Equestria, but thought they couldn't rule themselves, so they invited Celestia and Luna to rule them.
Before this point, neither of them were royalty within their alicorn society. The three pony races asked them to be princesses.
In this newer land of Equestria, Flurry hearts is the first to be born as an alicorn.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:53 am

I wonder if all alicorns are seemingly immortal or if something about the Equestrian Princess designation imbues them with it. And why ponies are able to transform into Alicorns. Would alicorns even really need to reproduce if they can live for eons?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:58 am

Davyinatoga wrote:I wonder if all alicorns are seemingly immortal or if something about the Equestrian Princess designation imbues them with it. And why ponies are able to transform into Alicorns. Would alicorns even really need to reproduce if they can live for eons?

See also: Elves in every fantasy setting ever
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:04 am

For anyone interested, the Hugo awards are being livestreamed tonight. I don't know what time the category MLP is in (Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form) will be though. Even though it's nomination was BS, and submitted by some men's right's activists just trying to discredit the awards, some might be interested in watching.

http://www.ustream.tv/hugo-awards



:-/ Hearing these ladies hosting have to read the titles of some of these things is kind of depressing. There's already been one category announced as having no winner.


edit: IT'S HAPPENING NOW!


edit edit: And it lost. Surprisingly to Jessica Jones.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:36 am

Davyinatoga wrote:I wonder if all alicorns are seemingly immortal or if something about the Equestrian Princess designation imbues them with it. And why ponies are able to transform into Alicorns. Would alicorns even really need to reproduce if they can live for eons?

Just because you can never die of old age doesn't mean you shouldn't reproduce. Unless you are legit immortal and can't die. Otherwise, given enough time you will eventually die from something other then old age. A predator, disease or even an accident. If you can die, mathematically at someone point you will eventually die. Even if you live for a billion years.

Actually, did you know lobster don't die from old age? The older they yet the more bigger and stronger they become. They even found some 400 years old. But despite being immortal, they don't have long life expectancy. Even sponges have been known to live longer then 15,000 years. Some things on earth don't die from old age just still have to reproduce.

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Who? Why do these things happen to ponies?
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