S04E17: Somepony to Watch Over Me

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Re: S04E17: Somepony to Watch Over Me

Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:04 am

The Doctor wrote:It went a lot like Simple Ways. Rarity going a bit overbaord is fine, we've seen her do that. AJ going gung ho on a task and protecting her family, also works. But there is a point where it's a bit overboard. Rarity going full hick was too far. AJ covering everything in the house and putting AB in a crib was too far. :pinkieshrug:

That being said, just like with Simple Ways, there are enough gags and great moments in this episode to still be quite entertaining. :yay:


Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel. I did like this episode a lot more than Simple Ways, though, maybe because Applejack going crazy wasn't the climax of this episode, and aside from the crib and baby-proofing everything, I think it was a fair representation of a real-life family situation with some exaggeration for the sake of humor. I thought the helmet gags and Applejack constantly bursting into the room were really funny.

Wayoshi wrote:If S1's maximum quality was equal to this episode's, the show would not have taken off. That's my point.


Well, S1's maximum quality was higher and the show did take off, so I don't really understand why you're making this point. I don't think anyone here has called this episode the best of the season, or better than S1 or anything. Likewise, this episode is nowhere near the worst quality episodes in S1; if it had in fact aired in S1 it would probably be considered above average. Now you could argue that this episode would have been fine in S1 but not after three seasons of character development for AJ, but I think the idea was good enough to justify it in S4 even if it was seemingly a step backwards for Applejack. Leaving a kid home alone for the first time, especially on a farm where there is a lot of work to do and a lot of potential dangerous situations to get into is kind of a big deal and a new situation for her as a guardian.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:04 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Okay, so the episode was a dud to you.


Actually, it wasn't a dud to him. He thought it was pretty good except for his subjective concern about character. That's his right and he's not being unreasonable. The part I object to is his recurring insistence that season 1 is some sort of prodigy work from start to finish or that his tastes are most fan's tastes.

Wayoshi wrote:I'm not sure what you're saying here. In any case, all your listed episodes are better than Daring Don't, Power Ponies, Simple Ways, Twilight Time.


Subjective, subjective, subjective. Those aren't my feelings, and I can dig up any number of people who will write lengthy and impressive sounding essays to either defend the critical merits of the episodes you just panned or pan any of the episodes I listed.

And even if they were worse, what does that have to do with this episode?

Wayoshi wrote:If S1's maximum quality was equal to this episode's, the show would not have taken off. That's my point.


But a huge chunk of season 1's episodes are at this level. Very few people put Bird in the Hoof, Stare Master, or Griffon the Brush Off in their top 10 lists. The ones I've already listed routinely land near the mid-bottom of grand episodes rankings.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:07 am

The Doctor wrote:I don't know if Bridle Gossip counts. In that case there was a real (perceived) threat.

In the case of Bloomberg, it was AJ building up to say goodbye.


But this case is a bit of a farewell too.

AJ's sudden over-protectiveness doesn't bother me because I can buy her wanting to overcompensate and hang on extra tight to Applebloom because of her growing up, to the point she may no longer need AJ. It's not that uncommon for parents to try to deny their children are growing, because of that desire to be needed and that it may mean starting to say goodbye and letting them go to do their own thing. I see this case as similar.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:07 am

I see where Ader & Wayoshi are coming from but I still personally Disagree, Although I do Agree Season 1 AJ eps like Applebuck season are better. I would still prefere this ep to other general S1 eps. But yeah, maybe this ep would have worked better had it been back in S1, but oh well.

Also sad we have to "defend AJ". or a positive view of the episode... I fear this fanbase is becoming more & more like the anime & gaming fanbase by the day... And that is. NOT A good thing! :fluttersmith:

Oh what ever, ponies gonna pony, haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love & net is gonna net. Such is the way of the world.

Edit @Discord Agreed, AJ to a degree also fills the role for mother for AppleBloom on top of being A big sister. Letting Go & letting your child grow-up can be hard for some to do.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:07 am

Wayoshi wrote:Arrgh, frustrating...

As I've said, the episode was good. I just found AJ to be really dumb, and all these BS explanations about how she was in-character or it didn't matter really irk me.

Not sure why it's necessary to dismiss them as "BS", even if you disagree. :-/

Mr. Big wrote:Yeah, they're fire-proof boots. Which reminds me, shouldn't the ground be really hot when Apple Bloom arrived at the swamp? Even if she didn't directly run into the firehole...

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I assumed that the fires were caused by igniting marsh gasses rising from the rotting organic matter in the swamp, like the scientific explanation for will-o-the-wisp myths. In which case the ground wouldn't actually be hot like lava. Much like the "candles" of the Dead Marshes in Lord of the Rings.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:13 am

I liked the episode :chillin:

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Postby Sind (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:16 am

This episode had some wonderfully hilarious gags :crack:

I admit I didn't much like Applejack's exaggerated character, but I was willing to forgive it for the first half of the episode, simply because Apple Bloom looked so adorable in those shots :gotcha:

The second half was a bit worse though; The Chimera battle was dragged out a bit too much, and the morale was delivered really weakly :pinkieshrug:

Still, it was a pretty good episode overall, and a nice debut for a new writer
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Postby everyponytothelimit (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:31 am

I liked this one, it was very silly and that's about all I ask for in this little-girl pony cartoon.

Applejack's overprotectiveness maybe could have been handled better but ah well, we got some great gags like helmet/double helmet and the "checking in on you every five seconds" line which I'm not really sure why I found so funny.

I definitely think that the highlight was everything in Applebloom's room, after Scootie Belle showed up, up until AJ leaving. Lots of little character moments, like Sweetie getting into bed like Rarity, Applebloom sleeping sassily, the "Scootaloo?' 'Um... no?" exchange, switching when they get tired of pretending to sleep. Very fun. (The hats and bow closet was also a great little meta-joke. Do Mac and Granny have a yoke and bonnet wardrobe?)

The chimera's design was pretty great and is good counter-part to Sea Breeze's design from last episode, being a very 'masculine' female character(s) to his traditionally 'feminine' design. I think maybe they could have played up the Chimera's sisterly conflict more and tied it into AJ and AB's reconciliation but ennnnh not a big deal to me.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:39 am

Discord wrote:
But this case is a bit of a farewell too.

AJ's sudden over-protectiveness doesn't bother me because I can buy her wanting to overcompensate and hang on extra tight to Applebloom because of her growing up, to the point she may no longer need AJ. It's not that uncommon for parents to try to deny their children are growing, because of that desire to be needed and that it may mean starting to say goodbye and letting them go to do their own thing. I see this case as similar.


But we also see AJ leave Apple Bloom and the other girls at a dilapidated shack and tells them to fix it themselves. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:45 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote: But yeah, maybe this ep would have worked better had it been back in S1, but oh well.


Several of season 3 and 4's more contentious episodes would have been readily accepted (but not completely without dissent of course) if they had been in season 1. As a few have said here lately, season 1 and the way it was received are wrapped in a protective bubble in many people's minds. It is their right to maintain that happy memory, but we should also have the right to call them on it if they question our tastes on that basis.

SoundMonkey44 wrote: Also sad we have to "defend AJ". or a positive view of the episode... I fear this fanbase is becoming more & more like the anime & gaming fanbase by the day... And that is. NOT A good thing! :fluttersmith:


HA!

Boy, where we are now you can't even imagine what the bottom will be like!


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But seriously, you're right, we're getting there. I'm kind of tired of arguing against this inevitability.

Here's what's going on: This fandom is too large and too diverse, and, crucially, the show doesn't have a single tone or style at all and never did. It's got heartfelt episodes, slapstick episodes, adventure episodes, slice-of-life episodes, continuity episodes, fuck-continuity episodes, etc. When you get a slice-of-life episode the adventure people say its boring. When you get a slapstick episode the continuity people cry "betrayal!" and so on. Once in a while you get an across-the-board crowd-pleaser (Pinkie Pride), but these are more rare than you think and STILL have detractors.

I still believe with absolute conviction that the show's fine for now and the fandom is not bad... it's just way too complicated for some of us to enjoy anymore.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:50 am

I am thoroughly in favor of this episode :jingo:

I have only two minor little overly-specific points contention that I feel detract from it, in fact. Both for the same reason:

- The "With sass!" line was great, but it doesn't have any payoff. I was confidently expecting to see Sweetie Belle trying to "sleep with sass". I felt honestly gypped when they showed us no such thing. (I was really curious, too. What would she be doing? Punching the air while scowling? Snoring like "SSKNNNXXXXX HAY HAY HAY Image" ?)

- The chimera's oddly conspiratorial little line about having an overprotective sister felt, too, like it was setting up for a big payoff—like maybe the resolution of the scene would be about Apple Bloom and the chimera bonding over having the same sibling problems. But no, it was just a throwaway line. I was like "Ohhhh? :-D ... Oohhhhh. :pinkieshrug: "

But literally every single other thing I thought was gold. I laughed quite heartily at and/or immoderately appreciated:

- Big Mac's parting "EeeeyuuuuUUUP!" They're still finding ways to squeeze juice out of that turnip of a joke, Jesus Christ. That alone should earn them some kind of medal.

- The double helmet, of course

- AJ's little "hyuck" laugh during her "awww, ain't mah li'l sis so cute when she thinks she's grown-up" moments. Seriously great acting there.

- The gag of the Cajun pony dissing his poor old ma. WTF, pony show? :awesomedash:

- AJ biting her hoof and little nail filings flying off. Also, later in the episode she bites down on it and it makes a little wrinkle. Holy shit :lol:

- The FUCKING MUSIC right after the cold open! Holy crap you guys, is William Anderson really earning his paycheck this year or what? And then again at the end in Not-Hollow-Shades. Lovely, atmospheric, and original. It made me WANT TO BE THERE. :ponydrugs:



And all this about Applejack being over-the-character or out-of-top or whatever, I just want to make sure I'm watching the same show you guys are. This is MLP:FiM, right? The one with that one episode in the first season where like seven episodes in, the main character and agency-holding protagonist suddenly turned into an infantilized little weeaboo who wanted to have her first slumber party at age 21 with a couple of local small business owners? I know some people don't think too highly of LBYS as an episode, or even consider its supporting-role-with-exaggerated-to-the-breaking-point character-traits treatment of one of the core characters to be somehow beyond the pale—but I for one think that that sort of storytelling is fundamental to what this show is. Yes these ponies are all deeply and richly characterized. Yes they have had 80+ episodes in which to flesh out what "the norm" is. The writers put lots of work into making sure the characters read the same from one week to the next, and are well enough established that we can all get away with writing long essays analyzing their psychological problems while we count down the ticking hours of a ponyless summer. But that level of consistency is not some kind of edict. The show has never been about the kind of soap-opera character continuity that you find in a show like, oh, Breaking Bad or Star Trek. It's a show that exists first and foremost to be funny, and it happens to derive an awful lot of its humor from characterization. That means the characterization has to be well-established, naturally. But then once it's established the writers are free to play with it. They love fucking around with the show's tropes! They revel in it! That's why just as much as they can skewer themselves with a "We don't have time for a song right now" joke, they can turn Applejack for the space of an episode into an overprotective caricature of the very thing she was in Bridle Gossip—ignoring her sister's clearly demonstrated competence and independent streak and "Ah am a big pony" in favor of her own misguided preconceptions about how to keep Apple Bloom safe. And going absolutely bugfuck insane with it.

I thought the helmets and the apple nets and the bubble wrap and the crib were gut-bustingly funny, especially in how tragic they were. That's exactly the kind of unbelievable and unexpected upending of our expectations that this show does so well. It's like it knows that we adult fans have somehow gotten ourselves worked up to a point where we expect this silly pony cartoon to turn in Emmy-worthy performances and flawlessly paced scripts about epic world-shattering events that perfectly illustrate rich and rewarding character development arcs that never once deviate from their intricately pre-planned trajectories or do anything that isn't 100% plausible and well-sourced in a real-world context... and they write with a knowing smirk on their faces and a mischievous twirl of their pens and typing fingers, knowing just how much of our world they'll upset with the simple deployment of a "hats and bows closet" joke. A joke at which everyone who enjoys the show for what it is and looks forward to whatever it decides to serve up week over week will accept with a hearty guffaw.

Give me more episodes like this or give me death. :jingo:
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:53 am

The Doctor wrote:
But we also see AJ leave Apple Bloom and the other girls at a dilapidated shack and tells him to fix it themselves. :pinkieshrug:


What episode are you talking about?
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:54 am

I remember an old quote comparing pony to pizza; when it's good its' REALLY good, but when it's not so good it's actually still pretty good.

Given the exception of SaYS (because I think everybody can agree that episode just didn't work at all), any given episode of pony is STILL leagues above other kids shows. I'd take MMDW over all of Johnny Test anyway, for example.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:56 am

This was not the best episode of the season by far but boy was I loving it. I think there's ways it could have been improved (basically, better paced escalation in Act I & II) but the sheer unfiltered awesome they let AJ unleash simply blew my mind. This really is her season.

SoundMonkey44 wrote: But yea A "you're not my mother". moment would have made the ep infinitly better IMO. But what we got was pretty good too!


From the synopsis' wording it felt like this would be the perfect ep for it. However, with what we got, I'll say it would have been the wrong kind of mood whiplash and wouldn't quite fit the structure.

Passport Clean wrote:Very few people put Bird in the Hoof, Stare Master, or Griffon the Brush Off in their top 10 lists.


Stare Master isn't my favorite S1 ep but I rate it higher than the more popular Dragonshy. I think it suffers in ratings due to people's dislike of the early CMC despite having the more developed Fluttershy portrayal.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:56 am

When the hell did this become 'defending AJ' can we just like a funny kid's show? Can I just think this episode had funny gags and some cute moments? I wasn't aware by saying this isn't the worst ever I was taking up the banner of defense for the entire quality of ponies post (insert whatever season you started watching with, ergo the best, just like whatever system you started gaming on is the best and whatever tv shows you watched as a kid are the best, because this is the internet and nostalgia means more than anything).

edit: also holy shit people are upset there wasn't a super mood ruining Serious Discussion about AJ's probably dead parents in the middle of the ep with a fire swamp and sassy sleeping? Stop being that guy.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:00 am

Kronos wrote:Given the exception of SaYS (because I think everybody can agree that episode just didn't work at all)


Intriguingly, myself and a few others find it to be a flawed Spike episode but an awesome Applejack episode.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:00 am

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What episode are you talking about?


Whatever episode they introduce the CMC Clubhouse. I want to say "Show Stoppers" but am not 100% on that.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:03 am

I have no problem with Spike At Your Service. :pinkieshrug:

I might agree with the consensus that Spike being painted as a klutz was inconsistent with previous portrayals. But does that make it a bad episode? To me that's like saying "I squirted some mustard on my clothes trying to eat a hot dog, therefore the baseball game was a complete shambles".
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:04 am

HH's post needs to be framed :smug:

Headless Horse wrote:I have no problem with Spike At Your Service. :pinkieshrug:

I might agree with the consensus that Spike being painted as a klutz was inconsistent with previous portrayals. But does that make it a bad episode? To me that's like saying "I squirted some mustard on my clothes trying to eat a hot dog, therefore the baseball game was a complete shambles".

Yeah, I'm in the same camp.

Although I want to see what the version with Rarity would have been like.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:09 am

The Doctor wrote:
Whatever episode they introduce the CMC Clubhouse. I want to say "Show Stoppers" but am not 100% on that.


Yeah, that'd be Show Stoppers, I'm pretty sure.

:ponder: I don't think the scenarios are necessarily congruent, though. For one thing, that was AJ dealing with the CMC on a whole, as opposed to just her sister. And again, I can buy what's going on here as AJ feeling threatened and worried about her sister growing up fast on her- which isn't really a threat brought about in Show toppers.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:18 am

Headless Horse wrote:- The gag of the Cajun pony dissing his poor old ma. WTF, pony show? :awesomedash:

Anyone else feel this was an odd pot shot at a stereotype that didn't really fit in the show? :pinkieshrug:

shotgunbadger wrote:When the hell did this become 'defending AJ' can we just like a funny kid's show?

Alright, probably too obsessive a word choice by me, sorry. But seriously, I agree with HH's post for the most part, it's just that the OOC-ness was that bad for AJ. :ponynet:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:21 am

Yea the Cajun stereotype was really out of place in an episode focused around a country stereotype character.

Come on I'm Cajun and I thought it was hilarious that there's swamp trash ponies to balance out all these wild west hicks :-P
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:22 am

Wayoshi wrote:Anyone else feel this was an odd pot shot at a stereotype that didn't really fit in the show? :pinkieshrug:


:doomed: What, like the African stereotype zebra accused of cannibalism?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:24 am

The type of pony was funny and an interesting piece of worldbuilding, but the line and the subsequent "look at poor mama" line seemed to want the audience to laugh AT the stereotype and made me a bit uncomfortable. As I said before, that and the sass line seems to be indicative of a kinda crude / sarcastic style for Sonneborn, which I think his IMDB page hinted at...

Preview edit: The entire plot was built around that and thus rectified. No such thing here
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:35 am

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:doomed: What, like the African stereotype zebra accused of cannibalism?


Actually, I do think there were problematic aspects with the inception of Zecora. Zecora's a Swahili word, and they wanted her to chant in Swahili but couldn't get anyone who spoke the language in time, so asked the VA to chant in something approximate to what she imagined Swahili sounded like.

So they get a zebra character who's initially ostracised for her otherness, fill her hut with a hodgepodge of East, West and South African paraphernalia, and then get the character's white North American voice actor to chant in an African-ish way?

I mean, I like Zecora but damn she did not have an auspicious start, and skirts the line between appropriation and something worse in an astonishingly cavalier way.

Zecora's been great since, but it does astonish me that in the process of fleshing her out for Bridle Gossip no one said "god, isn't this just patronising as hell, how we're going about this?" :starity:

Like, that could be from a cartoon in the forties.

E: and it's supposed to be fixed because it turns out she's not a cannibal or a sorceress, but instead just a genial occasionally-used avenue of self-actualisation? Nnnnyah. It really isn't great.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:36 am

Wayoshi wrote:
Preview edit: The entire plot was built around that and thus rectified.


Ok, you may have a point on the cannibalism thing (though I'd say that specter shouldn't have been raised in the first place), but are you saying that by the end of Bridle Gossip Zecora stopped being a magical negro* stereotype? :rariwhat:

And if that was a "dig" on cajuns it was one of the gentlest I've ever encountered. That exact mama joke could have been delivered in any number of groups, including regular southern stereotype ponies like the Apples.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:39 am

OK, as a preface, my mom was overprotective. This is a real thing that happened to 17-year-old, high-school-senior me:

:twiright: "Mom, I'm going to take my car over to my friend's house."
:pcstare: "No, it's very humid outside and the roads might be wet."
:-I "What."

You try and argue with that one. What my point is, is this: I've seen someone who is otherwise reliable and vaguely sane go completely bug-nutty when it comes to letting go of someone under their care. So watching AJ turn into Super Helicopter Mom wasn't as much of a stretch for me, especially after having already seen AJ be too protective of her little sis way back in Bridle Gossip (although there, it was her projecting her own fears onto AB more than anything else).

(And you're Cajun, Shotgun? I was born in New Orleans, but never lived there. I loved it the times I visited, though.)

:doomed: Also Brenda Crichlow isn't white.
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:43 am

Wylie wrote:

:doomed: Also Brenda Crichlow isn't white.


Haha, really? Man, well I guess that's me being a patronising idiot as well then :facehoof:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:44 am

Let's reset everything since I'm getting too worked up over, ultimately, a flaw that isn't a deal-breaker and look at Sleepy Belle.

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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:48 am

Wylie wrote:OK, as a preface, my mom was overprotective. This is a real thing that happened to 17-year-old, high-school-senior me:

:twiright: "Mom, I'm going to take my car over to my friend's house."
:pcstare: "No, it's very humid outside and the roads might be wet."
:-I "What."



:gotcha: This probably reads a little different using the alicorn (and thus part pegasus) sun princess for "mom".
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:03 am

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Imagine if Twilight Sparkle started wearing Applejack's hat. Wouldn't that be weird? That's still what Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo wearing Apple Bloom's bow is like to me.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:31 am

Headless Horss initial post deserves an Oscar cause its freakin awesome!!! :awesomedash:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:31 am

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Postby reidransom (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:58 am

Was out doin shit all day and just remembered to watch this. Enjoyable, but not great.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:00 am

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(And you're Cajun, Shotgun? I was born in New Orleans, but never lived there. I loved it the times I visited, though.)



Yep, born in Lafayette spent my childhood there, lotta family scattered about the state. Of all the Cajun jabs I've heard, a mama joke is pretty much the mildest you can get.

Also yea Zecora' s va isn't white, still a really poorly thought out hodgepodge of "spooky savage" tropes but at least her voice isn't a white chick doing her best ooga booga.

Also sleepy belle best belle.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:11 am

Just watched it a minute ago. Every single gag in the first two acts was top-notch. Like, the hat+bow closet was funny on its own, but then it just kept going as we saw more and more bows stashed in random places of the house. The gags became self-aware and evolved before they had a chance to get stale. Same with the helmets, the song fakeout, Big Mac's shouted "EEYUP", the babyproofing, everything.

That being said, the ending went in such a weird direction that was exactly the opposite of anything that I was expecting, and apart from the awesome visual atmosphere, nothing really resonated with me. Like HH, I heard the "you don't know what it's like to have a sister over your shoulder" line and was expecting some kind of payoff where the two connected and friendship was formed, and it.....never really happened. And then suddenly, Cajun ponies and an ambiguously worded lesson by AJ, the end.

I guess the gags spent so much time being funny that there was none left for a heartwarming resolution :ohrarity:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:25 am

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OK I just want to point out this frame because people give Tony Fleecs crap for shots like this one in the comics:
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Yes, people, horses have upper teeth.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:29 am

Wylie wrote:Yes, people, horses have upper teeth.

Well yeah, but they aren't normally visible. Between the angle of that shot and the way Sweetie Belle was snoring, it made sense that we'd be able to see her upper teeth there. That's not so much the case for the way Tony Fleecs often draws ponies in his issues of the comics.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:29 am

I think it's no depth on the mouth that makes it look odd, but that's another discussion. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:37 am

That Fleecs drawing is adorable. I don't know what y'all are talking about :rainbert:

It's just an artist's characteristic.
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