S04E21: Leap of Faith

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S04E21: Leap of Faith

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:55 pm

The Flim Flam Brothers’ cure-all tonic promises Ponyville citizens a chance to be rid of their ailments. Applejack has her doubts about the merits of the tonic until Granny Smith begins taking it and appears to be cured of all her aches and pains.


This thread is for discussion of this episode. The episode airs at 10:30 AM Eastern / 7:30 AM Pacific on Saturday, March 29!

Official preview clips and images are okay to post, as is speculation about the episode.

Writer: Josh Haber (3rd of S4, most recently: Simple Ways)
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:56 pm

Key episode.

Recycled one-shot characters.

Josh Haber has had good episodes so far.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:58 pm

Oh?

The AJ key episode this week?

I guess I better watch The last 7 episodes (every episode after Simple Ways) I havent seen yet :-I
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:02 pm

If we get another Flim Flam song out of this, this episode will be awesome for that alone. I hope they do more ragtime...:allears:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:13 pm

Catchy song time. :smirk:

And a key.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:26 pm

AJ's key needs to be a hat. :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:41 pm

Here's hoping that Flim and Flam have an actually good product here. That'd mean Applejack is having to put aside her misconceptions and prejudices in the face of proper evidence, instead of just having her be right and the the brothers being the bad guys again.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:44 pm

Eh, I think that Flim and Flam are supposed to be...well, not villains but antagonists. They seem like turn of the century conmen who just want to make money no matter what.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:47 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Eh, I think that Flim and Flam are supposed to be...well, not villains but antagonists. They seem like turn of the century conmen who just want to make money no matter what.


Pretty much, they're supposed to be your typical snake oil salesman.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:52 pm

The Doctor wrote:AJ's key needs to be a hat. :gotcha:

It's going to be an apple. And it's going to rot before they get a chance to open the box. :aghast:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:57 pm

No, the key will obviously be Applebloom. :gotcha:

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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:01 pm

Last key before the end, right? I hope they'll do a good job with Flim&Flam, I'm not a fan of reusing secondary characters like this and I loved the Cider episode :ponder:

Only 6 episodes left :ohgawd:
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Postby Tears (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:24 pm

Not particularly psyched about the synopsis or the return, but I've got serious time for Haber, so let's see.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:28 pm

I'm pretty stoked for this one. And I'm glad to see the brothers return. FiM has such fun and interesting characters, I'd consider it a shame not to bring the best ones back from time to time. :flimflam:

Plus, AJ has had some truly great moments this season, so I'm excited to see more of that. :twasnothin:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:30 pm

I'm really excited to see what Haber has in store for this episode, he's done really well with the show so far.
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:32 pm

Eh, not sure we needed these guys to come back. :pinkieshrug: I can't help but feel like this episode is going to be built around trying to replicate the popularity of the cider song. Good for them if the song is going to be good, but it feels a tad unoriginal.

Fizzbuzz wrote:Here's hoping that Flim and Flam have an actually good product here. That'd mean Applejack is having to put aside her misconceptions and prejudices in the face of proper evidence, instead of just having her be right and the the brothers being the bad guys again.


Exactly, if we have to have F&F back I actually wouldn't mind if it was a semi-redemption episode for them, not necessarily making them good guys, just not shifty conponies that deserve to be driven out of town. Otherwise it's going to be another "I didn't learn anything" episode, except unironically this time.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:34 pm

So this episode is going to be about Flim & Flam's snake oil placebo and Granny Smith believing that it works while AJ is skeptical?

:flimflam: Looks like we've got ourselves another Feeling Pinkie Keen moral, brother o' mine!

:flimflam: Those are never controversial and always go over just fine!
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:35 pm

Well, I'm glad someone brought that up so I didn't have to. :-I
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:36 pm

That mustache must be the key! :twonk:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:43 pm

No! Such a glorious handlebar mustache must never be removed! :gonkity:
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Postby Mordja (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:52 pm

This season's treated AJ pretty good; let's see where this goes. :twasnothin:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:17 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:So this episode is going to be about Flim & Flam's snake oil placebo and Granny Smith believing that it works while AJ is skeptical?

:flimflam: Looks like we've got ourselves another Feeling Pinkie Keen moral, brother o' mine!

:flimflam: Those are never controversial and always go over just fine!

Even the title reminded me of how all those Internet Atheists™ got upset over FPK. That means this'll be a great one. :excellent:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:19 pm

Oh boy...I really hope that doesn't happen. :-/
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:31 pm

Looks like this is the key episode. I hope it's handled better than Breezies, which I feel was the weakest of them. This then just leaves Twilight, who will probably get it in the finale.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:33 pm

Unless Twilight gets her key in the penultimate episode, I'm pretty sure that she'll get her's in the finale.
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Postby citric (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:38 pm

Everyone expects a 'Super Cider Squeezy' song reprise. They sing this instead:


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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:39 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Here's hoping that Flim and Flam have an actually good product here. That'd mean Applejack is having to put aside her misconceptions and prejudices in the face of proper evidence, instead of just having her be right and the the brothers being the bad guys again.


ROBOT B9 wrote:Eh, I think that Flim and Flam are supposed to be...well, not villains but antagonists. They seem like turn of the century conmen who just want to make money no matter what.


londonarbuckle wrote:So this episode is going to be about Flim & Flam's snake oil placebo and Granny Smith believing that it works while AJ is skeptical?

:flimflam: Looks like we've got ourselves another Feeling Pinkie Keen moral, brother o' mine!

:flimflam: Those are never controversial and always go over just fine!



But Flim and Flam weren't con-men. They had a better product. It made Cider just as good as the Apple Family Cider, but did so in better quantities. Their only flaw was getting overconfident during the competition at the end.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:41 pm

Who's to say it's gotta be the brothers doing the singing? I, for one, expect a rousing solo by Granny Smith in which she regales us with tales of her rheumatism. :gotcha:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:42 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Here's hoping that Flim and Flam have an actually good product here. That'd mean Applejack is having to put aside her misconceptions and prejudices in the face of proper evidence, instead of just having her be right and the the brothers being the bad guys again.

*BANKRUPT horns*

AJ needs to inspire honesty in them. I can't see this plot going with that.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:52 pm

Mordja wrote:Who's to say it's gotta be the brothers doing the singing? I, for one, expect a rousing solo by Granny Smith in which she regales us with tales of her rheumatism. :gotcha:


Oh boy...I can't really stand Granny Smith's singing voice and I don't know what rheumatism is so that can't be good. :v:
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Postby Caldera (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:56 pm

If they're following the past trend, then Applejack will end up inspiring Flim and Flam to be honest, which would suggest that one way or another they ended up tricking people. :ponder:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:24 pm

The Doctor wrote:But Flim and Flam weren't con-men. They had a better product. It made Cider just as good as the Apple Family Cider, but did so in better quantities. Their only flaw was getting overconfident during the competition at the end.

And trying to take the majority profit in a production partnership.
And pushing the Apple Family into a competition they knew they could win for total control of the Ponyville market so that they could force the Apples out of business/town.
And selling awful swill when they did win.

Flim and Flam weren't bad because of their cider gizmo. They're bad because they tried to hustle honest working folk from the moment they arrived to the moment they left.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:25 pm

Wayoshi wrote:AJ needs to inspire honesty in them. I can't see this plot going with that.

Then again, if this episode took a different route from the other key episodes by having Applejack realize this herself, not only would they be able to avoid the same key episode plot structure (which has grown a bit cheesy, honestly), but Applejack would actually learn something (much unlike what she learned in SSCS6K). I think that'd make for a good bit of meta-humor if they did reference Applejack learning nothing back then.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:27 pm

AJ needs a key. How is that going to happen if she learns the lesson?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:30 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:And trying to take the majority profit in a production partnership.
And pushing the Apple Family into a competition they knew they could win for total control of the Ponyville market so that they could force the Apples out of business/town.
And selling awful swill when they did win.

Flim and Flam weren't bad because of their cider gizmo. They're bad because they tried to hustle honest working folk from the moment they arrived to the moment they left.


That's what negotiations are for. I'll grant they were greedy and started too high, but they need the apples, so a reasonable compromise could have likely been had.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:24 pm

I want one thing from this episode:

:eyebrow: My name is Applejack, of Sweet Apple Acres. I have opened a bottle of this "elixir" and I say to you it is nothing but an arrant fraud!

Basically, if they don't do a song based off (or in the style of) "Pirelli's Miracle Elixir" from Sweeney Todd, I will be disappointed. It's set up perfectly, and we know already how much this show loves Sondheim music.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:23 pm

The Doctor wrote:But Flim and Flam weren't con-men. They had a better product. It made Cider just as good as the Apple Family Cider, but did so in better quantities. Their only flaw was getting overconfident during the competition at the end.


This. The Flams are sleazy as fuck, and I have no problem calling them villainous seeing how gleefully they rendered the Apples homeless, but I can't call them dishonest -- their cider machine worked just as they said, no fraud. Honestly (hee!) the only reason I'm interested in this week's plot is that for all we have any reason to think, the Flam's elixir does work. It might be a fraud, but that hasn't been their MO thus far.

Maybe the Flams are honest (though sleazy) but AJ, refusing to forgive them, goes so far as to spread lies in order to discredit them. Realizing what she's done wrong is how she gets her key.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:28 pm

Wayoshi wrote:*BANKRUPT horns*


I instantly heard this in my head. :v:

For those who aren't as lucky: Price Is Right Losing Horn
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:33 pm

PictishBeast wrote:
I instantly heard this in my head. :v:

For those who aren't as lucky: Price Is Right Losing Horn


Given that Wayo is a huge TPIR fan, it had its intended effect. :gotcha:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:36 pm

I kinda mixed that and the BANKRUPT whoosh from WoF there, but yes, either. :v:
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