S07E05: Fluttershy Leans In

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S07E05: Fluttershy Leans In

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 3:17 pm

Fluttershy is determined to make her career dreams come true with the help of some very special ponies. But when her true vision is not being executed properly, she must find a way to stand up and fight for her ideas.


This thread is for discussion of the episode. This episode airs on Discovery Family on 11:30 AM Eastern / 8:30 AM Pacific on Saturday, May 6, but has already aired on Treehouse TV, so open discussion on everything about the episode is effective immediately.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 3:33 pm

This was a top tier pony ep.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 3:49 pm

I imagine the cold open is Fluttershy sitting in her cottage, two minutes pass as she sips tea, then she yells "OH FUCK I FORGOT TO GET A JOB" and credits.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 4:05 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I imagine the cold open is Fluttershy sitting in her cottage, two minutes pass as she sips tea, then she yells "OH FUCK I FORGOT TO GET A JOB" and credits.


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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 4:26 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I imagine the cold open is Fluttershy sitting in her cottage, two minutes pass as she sips tea, then she yells "OH FUCK I FORGOT TO GET A JOB" and credits.


:smirk: I bet they haven't made a Pony Music video of that...

:v: Of course they have.



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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 4:55 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I imagine the cold open is Fluttershy sitting in her cottage, two minutes pass as she sips tea, then she yells "OH FUCK I FORGOT TO GET A JOB" and credits.

Would that make her a hypocrite, considering how she treated her brother?
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 5:11 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Would that make her a hypocrite, considering how she treated her brother?


That's what I've been saying since that episode came out.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed May 03, 2017 5:16 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Would that make her a hypocrite, considering how she treated her brother?

I would sorta love it if Zephyr Breeze shows up and he's a wildly successful CEO, and Fluttershy gets the sads because for the very first time she's the slacker of the family. This motivates her to pursue career success, or so help her Celestia, die trying.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu May 04, 2017 6:24 am

An episode where Fluttershy has to overcome her shyness?????? They've never done an episode like that! :dreamworks:

Okay since apparently all discussion on the specifics of the episode is allowed, I'm staying out of this thread until the episode airs in the US on Saturday. The same goes for the other episodes that aired early.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri May 05, 2017 6:30 am

Thank goodness for the leak. I had an opportunity to watch it before I went on vacation. That is one less thing on my mind now.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 4:03 pm

Surprisingly, they did not retread old ground with this ep, which I feared would happen. Lesson: if you want shit done properly, do it yourself. :v:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 4:06 pm

Jeez, Fluttershy, it's as though you handed a construction contractor your dream journal and said, "Here, build this!" :allears:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 4:13 pm

RudeCyrus wrote:Surprisingly, they did not retread old ground with this ep, which I feared would happen. Lesson: if you want shit done properly, do it yourself. :v:

Of course, it remains to be seen whether Fluttershy's animal sanctuary will work out in the long run. I mean, wouldn't you at least need some fences to keep the animals from straying too far? Or are the creatures of Equestria really smart enough to know when they ought to come and go, as Fluttershy so trusts in them? Similarly, again I would think at least a few cages would be necessary for transporting animals, but perhaps Fluttershy can just use her dominating willpower on any animals who need to go somewhere but refuse to do so.

Thinking about the episode now, this almost seems like the show's crew wanted Fluttershy to have a victory lap for all she's done over the years towards self-improvement. This episode even had her acknowledge as such!
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 4:25 pm

Considering how the more goal-orientered of the Mane 6 (Rainbow Dash and Rarity) pretty much have achieved their dreams as formulated early on in the series, and by some measures therefore can be thought to have completed their respective character arcs, this would seem to be a similar endpoint for Fluttershy's arc. She demonstrates assertiveness and vision, and is indeed more Flutterbold than Fluttershy. (Even if she probably should be more clear, when communicating with contractors).

So, what would be the matching episode for Applejack?
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 4:43 pm

I love how much she's grown, and that the others are noticing.

Fuck yeah, Fluttershy! :yay:

Also, uuuuh, that giraffe was totally sentient...right? Like, they drew her with sentient eyes.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 5:49 pm

Aramek wrote:I love how much she's grown, and that the others are noticing.

Fuck yeah, Fluttershy! :yay:

Also, uuuuh, that giraffe was totally sentient...right? Like, they drew her with sentient eyes.


I think they fall into the same category as sheep, cows, mules, yaks, deer and goats.
They are as sentient and intelligent as the plot wants them to be.

Sentient cows being herd like dumb cattle unless they stop for a moment and then they can form thoughts. (Applebuck Season)
Goats can seemingly talk in a goat-ish language and handle organizational tasks but in other episodes they are as dumb as a regular goat. (Putting Your Hoof Down, May the Best Pet Win)
Sentient sheep are kept behind gates and bullied around. (Sisterhooves Social)
Deer are intelligent in the comics but in the TV show they are just as dumb as the rest and kept behind a fence. (Filli Vanilli)
Angel bunny is almost as clever as a pony, he cannot talk but can express himself. (All the episodes)
The mule is a slow thinker and the races is used as an insult. (Applebuck Season)
Donkeys appear to be on par with the ponies, as well as with buffaloes, and maybe yaks.

Animals are weird in Equestria.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:07 pm

I'm saying since we've seen multiple kinds of deer, some are more sentient and pony-like than others.

Kinda like how Goofy and Pluto both exist at the same time in the Mickey Mouse media.

Basically, are they drawn with pony eyes or animal eyes?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:19 pm

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Postby Discord (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:20 pm

In which Fluttershy does nothing wrong and everyone else stinks :yay:

Charming episode.

Also, I totally hoped Discord would be the one called in to build everything at the end. :discord: Interesting callback.

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So, what would be the matching episode for Applejack?


Probably Granny Smith retiring, possibly to see the world, and AJ actualizing her role as the centre of the family both physically and emotionally.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:22 pm

Aramek wrote:I'm saying since we've seen multiple kinds of deer, some are more sentient and pony-like than others.

Kinda like how Goofy and Pluto both exist at the same time in the Mickey Mouse media.

Basically, are they drawn with pony eyes or animal eyes?


Deer in the TV show have dot eyes and the ones in the comics have pony eyes (more or less).
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:23 pm

Discord wrote:Probably Granny Smith retiring, possibly to see the world, and AJ actualizing her role as the centre of the family both physically and emotionally.

AJ joins her parents, traveling the galaxy with the Apple Justice League.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:30 pm

adiwan wrote:
Deer in the TV show have dot eyes and the ones in the comics have pony eyes (more or less).

This just means we haven't seen any of the filthy, filthy, elves sentient deer in the show yet! We still may!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:33 pm

adiwan wrote:Sentient cows being herd like dumb cattle unless they stop for a moment and then they can form thoughts. (Applebuck Season)

I think the smartest we ever saw cows was in A Friend In Deed; at the beginning, Pinkie Pie greets one who is going into Sugarcube Corner.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:50 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I think the smartest we ever saw cows was in A Friend In Deed; at the beginning, Pinkie Pie greets one who is going into Sugarcube Corner.


Yeah, to get cookies to go with her milk.

Which is really fricking weird when you think about it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 6:56 pm

Niels Olof wrote:So, what would be the matching episode for Applejack?

Applejack doesn't seem to want for much other than to grow crops and raise her sister well. When Apple Bloom grows up and moves out to pursue a career in life coaching and/or alchemy, it's hard to say what Applejack will do. Maybe run for mayor of Ponyville?
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 9:17 pm

Pre-episode: I don't know what to expect, but I'm hoping for Fluttershy in a business suit with '80s shoulder pads. And a power flower in her mane.

• THE TINIEST WHEELCHAIR which I think we've seen before, actually, a mouse was in it.
• It's shameful the way Equestria treats its vets. :equestria:
• oh god don't eat the cotton swabs :nnngh:
• It raises the question of how Fluts "called" the other ponies. She probably knows some carrier pigeons who owed her a favor.
• Fluttershy's animal sanctuary :flutterunsmith:
• Soon she won't have to grovel for Gala tickets to see animals!
• OK, I've seen Wrangler for 2 frames and her character design is already the best. (Sounds like Michelle Creber's voice a little, will have to check.) (e: it is Kazumi Evans)
• The pitch is going poorly! Quick, Fluts, come up with some stretch goals!
• The contractors are kind of jerks doing their own thing, but I get it, I have no idea what Fluttershy is going for. There doesn't seem much difference between her sanctuary and any old patch of nature.
• Oh no, the building Fluttershy hates fell down!
• I have no memory of the McColts episode, so I'll assume this guy knows his stuff.
• I like the building montage music. :good:
• Sweetfeather Sanctuary :allears:

Post-episode: It was okay? I guess I should expect Fluttershy episodes to be chill and sedate, and this was that, it was the televisual equivalent of resting in a comfortable hammock. But there seemed so little in the way of conflict or escalation that I'm not sure I'll even remember it a week from now.

Would love to read the thread and see what others think about what the plot/message/conflict was, because I'm still a bit :pinkieshrug: about what Fluttershy or the others did right or wrong. One thing I know, it was neat to see Fluttershy being firm and even angry sometimes, and this was not shown as being a flaw or a problem.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 9:27 pm

Am I hallucinating, or just before the final fade-out, on the bottom right, is there a fish floating down the stream in a coffee cup? :starity:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 9:46 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Am I hallucinating, or just before the final fade-out, on the bottom right, is there a fish floating down the stream in a coffee cup? :starity:


Yes.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 9:48 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Would love to read the thread and see what others think about what the plot/message/conflict was, because I'm still a bit :pinkieshrug: about what Fluttershy or the others did right or wrong. One thing I know, it was neat to see Fluttershy being firm and even angry sometimes, and this was not shown as being a flaw or a problem.



I mean, there wasn't so much a message as it was an episode about how far Fluttershy has come. She had a problem, she settled it on her own. I don't think a character always needs to learn a lesson and get help in order to solve a problem. It's nice to see them just lay down the law and get stuff done. For Fluttershy, that's a pretty big deal.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 10:40 pm

I like that they're showing how Fluttershy is growing, but the conflict in this episode felt pretty weak. This felt like Suited for Success in reverse, but at least in SFS, there was an added level of conflict that the clients were also friends. This just felt like "Fluttershy hires a contractor." I really wish they'd do an episode that shows similar growth for Rainbow Dash without it involving all her friends ganging up on her.

Also, it really felt like the animals were being freeloading lazy jerks, but maybe that's just how animals in Equestria are. Dealing with Zephyr Breeze her whole life is what got Fluttershy so good at caring for them. :whatsup:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 10:40 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:• It raises the question of how Fluts "called" the other ponies. She probably knows some carrier pigeons who owed her a favor.

This is a tiny detail, but it's one that's been lingering on my mind too. Whereas some folks might look at it and think of it as lazy, non-"pony" writing, to me it seems more a consequence of how our world has become so massively interconnected. We're so accustomed to being able to contact anyone we know, anywhere, anytime those people are available, that maybe we're subconsciously expecting characters in our media to be able to do the same. As such, in a fantasy world where the telephone has yet to be fully rolled out, the means of how Fluttershy gathered the other five are just quietly brushed under the rug for the sake of more expedient storytelling, whereas in decades past such an occurrence might've been thought utterly ridiculous.

It's almost a pity that they don't have computers as we do. I was joking in #ponyday that Fluttershy's idea board made me think she'd use Tumblr and have one of those super ~ a e s t h e t i c ~ blog themes that was nearly useless when you wanted to actually navigate through it.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 06, 2017 10:42 pm

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Yes.

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:applejargh: it is not appropriate to have Winona's autopsy report blown up and put on the wall.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun May 07, 2017 6:19 am

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:applejargh: it is not appropriate to have Winona's autopsy report blown up and put on the wall.

It's a miracle she lived so long, considering her organs must be jumbled around based on how the heart in the picture is in the wrong place for a dog.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sun May 07, 2017 8:25 am

The Doctor wrote: :applejargh: it is not appropriate to have Winona's autopsy report blown up and put on the wall.

Fun fact: It was there in Secret of My Excess
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Postby Frith (?) » Sun May 07, 2017 3:02 pm

It was a good laid back slice of life episode with well written characters and character interactions. Fluttershy's characterization was really on point here. It was great to see how much she has progressed as a character. Otherwise, it was nice to see Dr. Fauna again and appearance of Big Daddy McColt was a nice surprise.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 08, 2017 10:01 am

Bunny Sasuke!
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Na-na-na-na-na-na
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Aww. I actually feel bad for Angel Bunny. Never thought I'd see the day.
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Tiny wheelchair.
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Kind of a sparsely-populated side of town.
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Back to not caring about Angel Bunny.
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Giraffe! Sloth! Birds! Snake! Fruit bats! Toucan! Koalas! Beavers! Loon! Also Tank? :bwuh:
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Don't be that housemate.
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Even more animals.
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Sir, this is a verterinarian's office.
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Birds.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 08, 2017 10:37 am

:allears: A beautiful habitat where every animal – whether sick or scared or even just lonely... not naming any names...
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Thank you, Rupert.
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Here's the "plan"! You're working for exposure, right?
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♫ Little critters hibernate under the snow and ice 𝅘𝅥𝅱
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This is Scenery: The Episode
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Ruined.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 08, 2017 10:53 am

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This sloth attaches herself to Fluttershy's leg for the rest of the episode.
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The plan: Take 2
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TAKE 2
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I'd never noticed before that the squirrel railings along the ceiling are suspended.
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oh hi Starlight
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Building character.
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Those must be some deep buckets.
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♪ Colorful flowers too! ♬
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Twilight finally learned how to build a nest.
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Finished.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 08, 2017 10:56 am

Wing hands.
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Sweet Feather Sanctuary
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A... tire swing? Where'd that come from?
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Fish.
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Snakes kissing.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 08, 2017 2:38 pm

I love the vet, she's pretty and has a good voice, and she said flummoxed again.
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