S04E14: Filli Vanilli

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Re: S04E14: Filli Vanilli

Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:07 pm

DerFurShur wrote:This might actually be my favorite AKR episode yet. Another great Fluttershy episode

Right? First Pinkie Pride, and now this? I am SO greateful she decided to return for Season 4! :allears:
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:07 pm

Episode was much better than expected. I was worried about the return of Flutterguy. Felt like 'fan pandering', but they made it work in the episode just because everything else was so great. Cute story, good lesson for Fluttershy without changing her character, Big Mac singing, Fluttershy singing, Zecora appeared...

Lots of people are going to say Pinkie was annoying because that always happens, but I thought she was okay in the end. I can see her getting overexcited and letting her mouth run away with her, and the various gags ("you totally sounded like a dude," Rarity slapping her, Twilight levitating her down, etc.) were all funny. So I was okay with ignorant schadenfreude Pinkie. :-P

Really fun episode.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:07 pm

9/10 episode. That was awesome. The return of Flutterguy. :awesomedash: and singing Big Mac. :starity:
It really was like Milli Vanilli.

I've got Pinkie's new theme song though:



I actually cussed her out on Bronystate.
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:08 pm

It was not just Pinkie being a jerk, but that this is at least the third time they did that same joke in the series. Green Isn't Your Color and some other episode I forget had it.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:08 pm

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:Episode was much better than expected. I was worried about the return of Flutterguy. Felt like 'fan pandering', but they made it work in the episode just because everything else was so great. Cute story, good lesson for Fluttershy without changing her character, Big Mac singing, Fluttershy singing, Zecora appeared...

Lots of people are going to say Pinkie was annoying because that always happens, but I thought she was okay in the end. I can see her getting overexcited and letting her mouth run away with her, and the various gags ("you totally sounded like a dude," Rarity slapping her, Twilight levitating her down, etc.) were all funny. So I was okay with ignorant schadenfreude Pinkie. :-P

Really fun episode.


Agreed. An entire episode with Fluttergy. How could that work?

:awesomedash: They made it work!
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:08 pm

This here have to be one of the best AKR episodes I ever seen. :yay:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:09 pm

Great episode. Who knew Big Mac could sing like that? I liked all the screen time he got, and the little things like horsie sounds. It was cool that he met Zecora too. :eeyup:

They kind of overdid Pinkie in this one, I think.

I really liked thier song. Ponies can really harmonize...but I guess that makes sense, harmony and all. :awkward:

I was expecting to see Flutterkey, but I guess not. She definitely gets the face of the episode award however. :modesty:

The scene with AJ questioning Mac was pretty good. She shows why she effectively is in charge of the family. :twasnothin:
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:09 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Pinkie edged into straight-up annoying a few times, but "no offense, you kinda sounded like a dude" gave me the best laugh all season. :lol:


Yeah, I completely forgave Pinkie for being such an ass throughout the episode with that one line. That was a contender for best line ever. :gotcha:
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:09 pm

This was a good episode, OK that is all thread.

No but seriously, this was definitely the best Fluttershy episode since Hurricane and it even felt like the natural evolution of that entire anxiety storyline. The rest of the cast was used perfectly here, as well.

And I'm usually lock-step behind Headless Horse, but I actually thought the use of Flutterguy worked excellently, not only for plot-related reasons, but for thematic ones as well. After all, what's a completely different voice if not another curtain to hide behind?
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:10 pm

Woooow I loved that. Have to go to work really soon so this'll be brief.

A few things I wanted to mention. Firstly, while I can see how some will feel that Pinkie was too much, I thought it was worth it for some of the best comedy the show has done so far. I actually choked a bit when Rarity whacked Pinkie with that poster. I don't know what it was about that, but it was just so funny to me. Also Pinkie's line "No offense, but you kinda sounded like a dude." was perfect.

Song was catchy as hell and not only that, with Fluttershy's changing voice as well as Big Mac, we got a few different versions of it too. The lesson and resolution were great. I thought I was going to feel a little meh when we were shown Fluttershy performing on a stage, but then we see that it was just in front of her friends and animals. Then we see that she's still not able to perform in front of others, but maybe someday. That's great and handled exceptionally well. I really really hate public speaking (I even get a little uncomfortable at family gatherings when I start talking and everyone turns to listen) so the resolution of that problem could've been a problem.

So, that was kind of a roundabout way of saying that it was great, I'm happy, and now I have to go sell stuff. :awesomedash:
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Postby DarkMatter (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:11 pm

Episode ruled. I loved it and I love Fluttershy. Best Fluttershy episode since Hurricane Fluttershy. :allears: I also like that it wasn't just called Filli Vanilli to make a cute pun, it actually made sense given the episode's content. Pinkie certainly lacked tact, though. But I sure did laugh at "No offense, but you kinda sounded like a dude."

There were so many good moments in this one I have no idea what I want as an av. :flutterdear:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:11 pm

This definitely has my favorite song of the season so far, and the episode was really nice and I liked how the ending had Fluttershy saying that she needs to take baby steps. I honestly didn't think they'd reuse the whole Flutterguy thing, but I thought it was handled well. Also interesting that this episode was written by Amy Keating Rogers, who wrote Bridle Gossip to begin with.

Just tone down Pinkie just a little (didn't even need to be a lot) and this episode is perfect. Still one of my favorite of the season, with my favorite pony to boot. :allears: :yay: :flutterunsmith:
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:12 pm

Flutterguy was Alvin Sanders, while the singing voice was Marcus Mosley.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:13 pm

I disagree with everyone who didn't like Pinkie being a jerk.

That made this episode even better. We need more jerk Pinkie.
I just have so many positive things to say about this episode, just, maaaan. :allears:

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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:14 pm

You know, I think the reason Pinkie worked for me so much is that she doesn't get away with it. Every time she goes over the top, the other ponies call her on it, immediately.

And that's a huge difference. What makes Friend In Deed obnoxious is nopony is stopping her. Here, she gets hit with a newspaper like a misbehaving dog.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:14 pm

Huh, so the singing and the talking for Flutterguy was done by two different people? Wow, they sound almost exactly alike.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:14 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Flutterguy was Alvin Sanders, while the singing voice was Marcus Mosley.

Oh. I... was hoping it was Blu Mankuma again... :fluttersmith: Well, those two did a find job, regardless.
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Postby drunkill (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:16 pm

I was wondering when we'd get a specific callback in an episode like today. Sure, we had a bit of previous footage shown in Magic Duel and in Magical Mystery Cure has the whole hall of youtube but for the show to do a callback like this? It worked out really well I think. Flutterguy was perfect to bring back one more time and referencing the first instance of it wasn't awkward or odd, just a 'oh yeah remember this kids?' type of thing.


I really liked this episode and I think I'll have more to say about it after a re-watch. AKR did a great job, the song was neat and it has some nice world building included too. And hey, finally, more lines for Big Mac, Peter new has more potential then just 'Eyup' and 'Nope.'
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:16 pm

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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:17 pm

Dexanth wrote:You know, I think the reason Pinkie worked for me so much is that she doesn't get away with it. Every time she goes over the top, the other ponies call her on it, immediately.

And that's a huge difference. What makes Friend In Deed obnoxious is nopony is stopping her. Here, she gets hit with a newspaper like a misbehaving dog.


Yeah I actually did like that, the others all respect and understand Fluttershy, and when Pinkie gets to be a little too much, the others reprimand her and for me that made the whole thing work personally.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:18 pm

Dude has a great voice.

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:18 pm

So glad Big Mac was legitimately sick -- I was worried at first that it was a Rarity scam to get Fluts on stage.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:19 pm

LardLad3545 wrote:I thought it was worth it for some of the best comedy the show has done so far. I actually choked a bit when Rarity whacked Pinkie with that poster. I don't know what it was about that, but it was just so funny to me.

Yeah, that was pretty good.

I felt like Pinkie was flanderized here just to have a bit more conflict / play up Fluts' nerves, and it just didn't quite work for me. I'll analyze it later
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:19 pm

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, the episode. :flutterunsmith:

Really, really good, and a very valuable lesson. :yay: Pinkie's bits were funny, but also very, very :nnngh:. But thinking about that more, there's a reason why - she's verbalizing the irrational thought process social anxiety sufferers go through: extremist thoughts about what could go wrong; saying "yes, but..." to Fluttershy's successes... It's important to recognize when you're doing that kind of thing, and to shut it down. :glare:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:20 pm

I wonder if anyone else thought of Navi with that little fairy-like pony.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:21 pm

Yeah, Big Macintosh had some amazing moments in this episode.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:23 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:I wonder if anyone else thought of Navi with that little fairy-like pony.


She certainly takes the "Most annoying filly/colt" title away from Pipsqueak. :bluh:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:25 pm

I think that's something the show is doing very well this season--taking the secondary or background characters and giving them thier chance to shine--like Derpy, and Big Mac in this episode.

Maybe they should pull back on Spike's admiration of Rarity a bit. He was kind of rude to the other singers, ignoring them at first, and essentially blew them off even when Rarity reminded him of them.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:26 pm

Oh, does anyone know if Big Mac's singing at the beginning was Peter New or also Marcus Mosley?
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:27 pm

First impression: The episode would have been in the same category with Flight to the Finish and Rarity takes Manehatten if Pinkie wouldn't have been so annoying. But it was still really good episode.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:29 pm

Amy still a tweeting, check my earlier post for more updates
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:30 pm

Mordja wrote:Oh, does anyone know if Big Mac's singing at the beginning was Peter New or also Marcus Mosley?

Going by this tweet from Thiessen, it was indeed Peter.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:34 pm

Big Mac was definitely one of the highlights of the episode. One reason I had low expectations was because the preview clips made me think he wasn't going to get to sing at all, so that first song performance took me by surprise. :-D

And they somehow managed to squeeze another laugh out of the "eeyup" joke anyway, in that exchange with Applejack. "Lost your voice at the turkey call?", "Eeyup", etc. That was great.

The whole episode was really funny. Yes, including Pinkie playing the part of S1 Rainbow Dash. I almost feel like they need a character who just "says it like it is", and since they've sort of developed Dash beyond that (since episodes like Dragonshy), they have to fall back on Pinkie. The fact that she got called out on it made it work, IMO.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:38 pm

The amazing thing is every time I think that the Eeyup joke is going to get old, they always put a new twist on it.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:44 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Yeah, that was a nice end.

So, who were the other two ponies in the group?




According to Amy's Twitter their names are Toe-Tapper & Torch Song.

Edit: Nevermind way beat me to it. :-P :v:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:46 pm

A magnificent episode. Replaces Putting Your Hoof Down as my favorite Fluttershy episode, and is in top three of the season. Hooves down the best songs, too. With this episode, I feel that Daniel Ingram is back in style.

The episode and the cast was wonderful all around. The main conflict was between Fluttershy and her anxiety with everypony else being supportive throughout. Pinkie Pie was a bit of a motormouth from time to time, but that was mainly free association running away with her, which I find plausible. And it gave us an opportunity to see her thwacked with a rolled-up poster, and we would have been poorer without it.

(And Rarity being a bit embarrassed about Spike's manners was sweet).

It was sweet that they acknowledged that anxiety cannot be cured in the span of an episode, but that, perhaps, you can take the first step towards overcoming it.

The dad and foal pairing looked very distinctive, but if they were meant to reference someone, it was someone I don't know.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:51 pm

So much good in this episode. Go back and look at Cheerilee swooning at Big Mac's performance, then glancing back up at him to make sure he saw her do it. :iamapony:

This is textbook Pony: take a by-the-numbers plot, play it pretty much straight, and add so much adorableness in the margins that it just shines.

Great job all around, I say. It's not the best episode ever, but it's not trying to be, either.

Also, Torch Song is a perfect name for her. Torch singers usually have a strong alto range, and that's exactly the part she filled in the group. Yay musical accuracy! :allears:
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:53 pm

I think people are overlooking something important here. We now have groundwork for a :allears: :milkshake: episode.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:01 pm

:sweetiefrown: After 3 and a half years it is time to say goodbye to one of our oldest members.

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:gah: Sweetie Belle, would you begin the 21 milkshake salute for this ex-crusader.

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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:03 pm

Pinkie was funny as hell in this episode. Forget the haters.
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