S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

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Re: S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:03 pm

There were many things to love in this episode, not least Applejack, Rainbow Dash, and Rarity expressing their pride over their sisters/protégés.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:03 pm

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:scheming: : You're... running backwards.

:anticipation: : Yep. :hishovel:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:09 pm

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:10 pm

fenster wrote:There's so many amazing and great things about this episode that I dunno if I can go into it now since I have to leave soon, but I really just wanted to say I thought this one was amazing. Can't believe they got their cutie marks mid season, and certainly wasn't expecting those for their cutie marks. And DT Sining and SS getting her own character + singing. :allears: Season 5 has really been killing it. In particular, this episode is definitely up there with Amending Fences/Cutie Map for one of the best of the season I think.

In the middle of the episode, I literally thought "I bet fenster will love this episode".
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:12 pm

It was definitely a surreal feeling when I realized this was the musical episode at 11:35.

[2015-10-10 11:56:33] <Chronos30> WHATS HAPPENING
[2015-10-10 11:56:36] <garamir> oh what
[2015-10-10 11:56:36] <drunkill> buy all our playsets and toooooys!
[2015-10-10 11:56:46] <Wayo|Laptop> WHAT
[2015-10-10 11:56:46] <Chronos30> The show is ending you guys
[2015-10-10 11:56:47] <garamir> WHAT
[2015-10-10 11:56:49] <KillingVector> welp
[2015-10-10 11:56:52] <drunkill> hah
[2015-10-10 11:56:55] <RudeCyrus> uh
[2015-10-10 11:56:58] <KefkaFloyd> oh shit
[2015-10-10 11:57:01] <Shotgunbadger> WHAT
[2015-10-10 11:57:02] <drunkill> neat
[2015-10-10 11:57:05] <quyksilver> wtf
[2015-10-10 11:57:08] <BaronPorkface> Wtf
[2015-10-10 11:57:09] <Shotgunbadger> ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT
[2015-10-10 11:57:10] <garamir> WHHAAAAAAAAA
[2015-10-10 11:57:13] <Niels_Olof> CMC reformulated!
[2015-10-10 11:57:15] <RudeCyrus> whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
[2015-10-10 11:57:16] <drunkill> super siyan CMCs
[2015-10-10 11:57:17] <fenster> whoaaa :o
[2015-10-10 11:57:18] <Knuckleshy> Finally!
[2015-10-10 11:57:20] <Momo> Welp
[2015-10-10 11:57:21] <RainbowCrash> oh my gaaaaaaaawwwwwwd
[2015-10-10 11:57:23] <KillingVector> CMC marks!
[2015-10-10 11:57:23] <Scuderia> WOSH
[2015-10-10 11:57:24] <KefkaFloyd> show's over
[2015-10-10 11:57:26] <Knuckleshy> yay!
[2015-10-10 11:57:26] <BaronPorkface> Not season finale!
[2015-10-10 11:57:27] <KefkaFloyd> go home everyone
[2015-10-10 11:57:27] <drunkill> A Good Ep. (TM)
[2015-10-10 11:57:29] <KefkaFloyd> nothing to see here
[2015-10-10 11:57:33] <LapisInfinitas> Holy shit
[2015-10-10 11:57:35] <RudeCyrus> holy shit
[2015-10-10 11:57:39] <drunkill> A Good Ep. (TM)
[2015-10-10 11:57:42] <LapisInfinitas> IT'S HAPPENING
[2015-10-10 11:57:43] <Aramek> nfasdkljsbfkljbfbfkjadfkjabf
[2015-10-10 11:57:43] <RudeCyrus> best ep ever
[2015-10-10 11:57:44] <Aramek> afbafbasfadfkljbfklfa'
[2015-10-10 11:57:46] <Aramek> AFKLJBgafkljbAFKLJBafkljbAFKLJBAFKLJSBFKLJSBF;LSBF
[2015-10-10 11:57:50] <Shotgunbadger> all the awards
[2015-10-10 11:57:52] <Niels_Olof> WOW
[2015-10-10 11:57:55] <VoidChicken> that's
[2015-10-10 11:57:55] <Shadowwalker> I CRY ERRYTIEM
[2015-10-10 11:57:55] <Scuderia> five years coming
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:14 pm

Also, when I made this post:
Fizzbuzz wrote:I'm surprised there was no preview clip for this episode. Seems like Hasbro had just gotten back into the habit of doing those.


I'd been thinking that maybe Hasbro held off on it this week since the clip for last week's episode seemed to sour a lot of expectations for it, so perhaps they wanted to go back to the drawing board on how best to represent upcoming episodes. Instead, maybe they seriously just wanted to keep today's events a big surprise.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:18 pm

My gibberish is laid bare to all.

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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:19 pm

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A certain family resemblance cannot be denied, though I wonder how Spoiled Rich's snout ended up looking like that. A danger of turning up your nose too many times, I suppose...

Would Spoiled Rich's cutie mark indicate she married rich?


According to AKR's tweets Spoiled Rich's name was originally Married Rich, so yea, her special talent that shapes who she is is that she a gold digga
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:24 pm

Her CM indicates she's good at being married.

She's the best at it. :allears:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:31 pm

Niels Olof wrote:There were many things to love in this episode, not least Applejack, Rainbow Dash, and Rarity expressing their pride over their sisters/protégés.


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Unintentional as the timing may have been, I think the final scene with Mac and AB last week added some emotional punch to the scene with the Apples today. Image
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:33 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:
According to AKR's tweets Spoiled Rich's name was originally Married Rich, so yea, her special talent that shapes who she is is that she a gold digga

I wonder if they could've gotten away with naming her "Mary Rich". :ponder:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:37 pm

Damn this episode was amazeballs. :-D

Mr. Big wrote:During the montage where the kids are helping each-other rebuild the playground, we see DT helping Silver Spoon rebuild a fence. It's pretty given that they've made up.

They amended fences in more ways than one. :lol:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:38 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:
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Unintentional as the timing may have been, I think the final scene with Mac and AB last week added some emotional punch to the scene with the Apples today. Image
Oh yeah, that's another thing, I never expected the show to actually have Big Mac, Applejack, or Apple Bloom acknowledge their parents being dead. This is about the best way it could've happened.

Now that I think about it, I have to wonder if they were alive to see Applejack's cutie mark. I should think not since we didn't see them in The Cutie Mark Chronicles, but then we didn't see Maud Pie in that episode either.
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:42 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:
According to AKR's tweets Spoiled Rich's name was originally Married Rich, so yea, her special talent that shapes who she is is that she a gold digga


The intense need to 'prove' their superiority over to the common rabble is usually a more new money trait, whereas old money usually act intrinsically superior.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:44 pm

Toboe LoneWolf wrote:Okay, so more knowledgeable fans than me...were there any Indiana Jones references in the episode other than the title?

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:46 pm

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Le gasp, the high-class "social" pony has no friends

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Those teeth must be good for carrot picking or something.

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The "badge" is compromised of their three mane colors, I believe.

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What was it again that DT/SS said in S1... sugar bump rump or something? lol

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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:49 pm

this episode has the emotional subtlety of a sack of hammers lol
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:51 pm

this should've probably been the apex of the show for me and they kind of blew it imo
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:55 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:this should've probably been the apex of the show for me and they kind of blew it imo

Yeah, because the best is yet to come!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:56 pm

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I wonder if Sweetie Belle's mouth was just reused from a 45º shot or if it was drawn to represent the not-quite-90-degree angle she's at there. The show has definitely drawn pony mouths like that before, of course, but they don't do it super commonly.
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When this happened, was anyone else reminded of that bit in Twilight's Kingdom where Twilight Sparkle briefly had magic wavy hair after absorbing the magic of the other three princesses? Maybe it's just me, but this felt similarly epic.
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:57 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:Yeah, because the best is yet to come!


that passed a long time ago, friend
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:03 pm

i guess on the upswing they can move the cmc on to doing more things as characters in their own right as opposed to being defined by [NEED CUTIE MARK] or [SISTER/SISTER FIGURE] because there's always been interesting stuff there but we're well past that point i think

edit: i guess that fact that they are now literally defined by their relationship to each other via their marks kind of drives that home
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:03 pm

also i feel like creber has to be at the tail end of being able to do apple bloom's voice, her solo line in the ending song sounded waaaay off
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:06 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:also i feel like creber has to be at the tail end of being able to do apple bloom's voice, her solo line in the ending song sounded waaaay off

Well, between how she and the others act now vs. how they were in S1 and the fact that they've got their cutie marks, it'd now be dead easy for the show to outright say the CMC are growing up.
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:09 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Well, between how she and the others act now vs. how they were in S1 and the fact that they've got their cutie marks, it'd now be dead easy for the show to outright say the CMC are growing up.

yeah its not a problem or anything, just an observation really
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:10 pm

when applejack dropped that IF MAW AND PAW WERE HERE line i basically gagged irl
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:11 pm

how to get a cutie mark, apparently: follow around an asshole and let her sing for half an episode
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:16 pm

i'm going off on this because the cmc were the last thing i gave a dang about on this show and they botched this pretty hard, so

as lazy pointed out in skype, which i hadn't considered: the fact that the whole thing with cutie marks is that they express individuality and then these three all get THE SAME ONE sails so damn wide of the goalposts. especially when you spent actual time building up the fact that they do have unique talents of their own
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:18 pm

it's a pretty good metaphor that their marks ended up being literally small bits on unique traits (music, speed, apples (lol)) encircled by what they are to the plot
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:24 pm

Like I said, it reminds me a lot of Magical Mystery Cure, a musical episode which is good until it gets a rushed plot resolution to a longstanding plot thread that needed way more time for catharses than they gave it. I remember back when MMC happened people felt this meant that too much plot was happening. Instead I think the problem is the opposite, MLP gets so caught up with its day to day slice of life stuff that when they finally get to an important plot beat that isn't a magical adventure they rush it and make it feel like a long and booming overture that all of a sudden kicks into 10x speed at the crescendo.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:25 pm

Amazing. And if you were too concerned about Diamond Tiara being "good" in the future, remember that the CMC just reminded her that her special talent is literally getting other people to do what she wants.

:scheming: "Thanks guys! I'd forgotten for a bit that my alignment's Lawful Evil and I have 18 charisma!"
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:32 pm

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there i made the marks better
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:34 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:how to get a cutie mark, apparently: follow around an asshole and let her sing for half an episode


:lol: :"Works for wings, too!"

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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:39 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Porcupines are a symbol of super strength, apparently.


That is clearly a hedgehog :twiright:

Yeah, it's an odd combination, but Maud's cutie mark was a rock and she was basically pony Hercules. I'm just going to guess it's an ability that sometimes manifests in Earth Ponies.

Adelor Lyon wrote:Bingo. Halfway through the episode I was like, "Well, they've wrapped up the initial story of the episode, and we're only halfway through!" And then each time the CMC showed up they weren't engaging in whacky hijinks or being silly or doing anything really comedic for comedy's sake. This was a very grown-up and serious episode, split into two separate pieces until they were joined together at the end. And then we got the real party piece after all that! This was some great writing, perfectly paced, and just a whole lot of fun.


Even more than that, it kept you guessing in the episode. When MMC wrapped up 10 minutes early it was clear something more was going to happen, but when they solved this episode early I figured Diamond Tiara was just going to win everyone over to her side and then go back to bullying. So the actual ending double blindsided me.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:39 pm

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Those look great. Slap'em on shields to complete the package.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:39 pm

If the marks were any more similar then I'd be worried, but as they are now they're still unique enough that I can deal with it. It helps to think of this like how the Mane Six all got their cutie marks as a result of Rainbow Dash doing the sonic rainboom for the first time, but on a more personal level.

I don't know, maybe I was just prepared for this. I figured that after Bloom and Gloom teased the idea of Apple Bloom's cutie mark being for potion-making, there'd be no way that the marks of her and the others would be plain representations of their skills.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:41 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:If the marks were any more similar then I'd be worried, but as they are now they're still unique enough that I can deal with it. It helps to think of this like how the Mane Six all got their cutie marks as a result of Rainbow Dash doing the sonic rainboom for the first time, but on a more personal level.

I don't know, maybe I was just prepared for this. I figured that after Bloom and Gloom teased the idea of Apple Bloom's cutie mark being for potion-making, there'd be no way that the marks of her and the others would be plain representations of their skills.


I like it. It says that part of the CMC's special talent is being a team, though they're still all unique individuals.
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:42 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:If the marks were any more similar then I'd be worried, but as they are now they're still unique enough that I can deal with it.


they could not have half-assed any degree of individuality into them harder than they did
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:43 pm

Bremen wrote:
I like it. It says that part of the CMC's special talent is being a team, though they're still all unique individuals.


"we couldn't commit to growing these characters out of the box they've been in from the start, so fuck it, have your sap-happy ending anyway and we'll just kind of leave them where they are"
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:44 pm

I actually really like the idea of a joint destiny between the three of them. They reach their fullest potential when they're working as a single unit, and they've invested tons of their personal identities into it as well.
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