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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 10:07 pm

The Doctor wrote:Rainbow Dash lost that lone wolf thing quite a while ago. Episodes like Hurricane Fluttershy, Rainbow Falls, Wonderbolt Academt, Rarity Investigates, all of which deal with her and the Wonderbolts, shows that she's a great team player. She's still arrogant, and confident in her beliefs, but long gone were the days where she would try to make it all about her. She learned long ago that the Wonderbolts is a team thing.

I think the distinction is that Dash has become much better at being magnanimous toward others: "I'm still awesome, but you need help, and I'll be there for you."

Rainbow Falls was about her deciding whether to help her friends or advance her career. Wonderbolt Academy was about taking a stand for the little guys. In both cases, she knows she's better than the others, but she still helps them out. Rarity Investigates was something different because of the sabotage.

This is the first time I can recall since Sonic Rainboom that her basic competence as a team member has been questioned.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 10:10 pm

Just a little "This show, man" moment for me here:

On this week's episode of My Little Pony, the audience receives a lesson in taking fraternal ribbing with good humor and overcoming personal traumatic memories when in a military environment
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 10:49 pm

Also, thumbs up for story progression. For years, Dash has been taking baby steps towards the Wonderbolts, from winning the Best Young Flyers competition to training with the reserves to competing as an alternate in Rainbow Falls to nailing a big exam with help from Twilight.

Here, the cold open ends with an unambiguous "congrats Dash, you're finally a Wonderbolt." :awesomedash:

For me, this was a bigger deal than when the CMC got their cutie marks.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 08, 2016 11:10 pm

It wasn't anticlimactic either, though it risked being seen so. I imagine a lot of people had been assuming that if Dash ever did get to be a full-fledged Wonderbolt, it would be as the result of a climax of a story, an achievement she had to earn as an event in itself. But this felt real, in that often when momentous news arrives it does so with very little fanfare; you're just going about your day, when suddenly that call comes in that turns your life upside down, for good or bad.

One more thing that makes this episode feel like the kind of stuff grown-ups deal with, rather than schoolyard social graces.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 12:53 am

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 2:08 am

Oh man, I wish I hadn't missed this one live. :twonk: Great episode.

I can understand why Rainbow Dash was so bothered. I mean, that nickname is something that's stuck with her since childhood, and while it was one thing to hear it again from the same ponies back in Sonic Rainboom, to hear it from the other Wonderbolts must've been a million times more soul-crushing. As such, when her attempts to rebrand herself failed (and I thought those impressions of the others were hilarious, especially her take on Applejack), she resorted to even more desperate measures, and we saw how that went. I do appreciate both her and Spitfire's responses to that stunt, particularly that Spitfire recognized that it's still a fuckup deserving of reprimand and didn't completely smile and laugh and brush it all under the rug. It felt real in a way that a lot of these sorts of stories don't.

Speaking of reality, I guess these sorts of mocking nicknames really are a thing that happens, based on what Mechanical Ape posted. I think that it's a rather demeaning (almost to the point of being cruel) practice, but then I'm not the one who's in any sort of military organization.

Usually this is where I'd say I appreciate the show applying more human-like poses to ponies for the sake of variety, flair, etc., but I don't think this one worked particularly well. If Spitfire did normally stand upright then this would've been hella dramatic, but as it is I mostly just think it looks like she had a rough landing.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 2:11 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Oh man, I wish I hadn't missed this one live. :twonk: Great episode.

I can understand why Rainbow Dash was so bothered. I mean, that nickname is something that's stuck with her since childhood, and while it was one thing to hear it again from the same ponies back in Sonic Rainboom, to hear it from the other Wonderbolts must've been a million times more soul-crushing. As such, when her attempts to rebrand herself failed (and I thought those impressions of the others were hilarious, especially her take on Applejack), she resorted to even more desperate measures, and we saw how that went. I do appreciate both her and Spitfire's responses to that stunt, particularly that Spitfire recognized that it's still a fuckup deserving of reprimand and didn't completely smile and laugh and brush it all under the rug. It felt real in a way that a lot of these sorts of stories don't.

Speaking of reality, I guess these sorts of mocking nicknames really are a thing that happens, based on what Mechanical Ape posted. I think that it's a rather demeaning (almost to the point of being cruel) practice, but then I'm not the one who's in any sort of military organization.

Usually this is where I'd say I appreciate the show applying more human-like poses to ponies for the sake of variety, flair, etc., but I don't think this one worked particularly well. If Spitfire did normally stand upright then this would've been hella dramatic, but as it is I mostly just think it looks like she had a rough landing.


I don't know. Rainbow Dash isn't Fluttershy. She worked to prove herself and became basically a flying prodigy at flight camp. She didn't cower away and think herself a failure because of it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 2:15 am

Exactly. She got mocked way back when she was young, kept working to get past it, focused on her goal of joining the Wonderbolts, kept getting mocked into adulthood, still stayed focused as she began actually moving towards her goal, finally achieved it... and she still got mocked! Still got called "Rainbow Crash!" All that progress for this? To continue to be made fun of by the organization she so loved? Of course she's not Fluttershy, but she is not some sort of unfeeling robot either, so I would expect for this sort of thing to be able to get under her skin.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 4:46 am

Another thing—seeing Dash actually taking part in the performance, the part before she lost the plot and tried to spice it up with the cloud... that was really nice stuff. You definitely get the impression that this is some legitimately fancy flying, the stuff that ponies pay good money to see; and Dash does a fine job as just one member of the team holding up an end of the formation.

I like the concept of her warming to the idea of synchronized flying as an end in itself, for the sake of the grace and spectacle of the group formations and the heraldry of it all, as opposed to it being all about her.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 6:29 am

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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 9:02 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:I think the distinction is that Dash has become much better at being magnanimous toward others: "I'm still awesome, but you need help, and I'll be there for you."

Rainbow Falls was about her deciding whether to help her friends or advance her career. Wonderbolt Academy was about taking a stand for the little guys. In both cases, she knows she's better than the others, but she still helps them out. Rarity Investigates was something different because of the sabotage.

This is the first time I can recall since Sonic Rainboom that her basic competence as a team member has been questioned.


Agreed with all of that.

Additionally, while Dash may have worked with others well before, this is her first official gig as a Wonderbolt; she isn't helping them out or hanging around with them, she's officially a cog in that larger machine. Despite her skill, she's the small fish now, and I think it could be interesting to see how the writers use that.

Headless Horse wrote:Another thing—seeing Dash actually taking part in the performance, the part before she lost the plot and tried to spice it up with the cloud... that was really nice stuff. You definitely get the impression that this is some legitimately fancy flying, the stuff that ponies pay good money to see; and Dash does a fine job as just one member of the team holding up an end of the formation.

I like the concept of her warming to the idea of synchronized flying as an end in itself, for the sake of the grace and spectacle of the group formations and the heraldry of it all, as opposed to it being all about her.


This is the bit that interests me. Dash is typically so self-centered that seeing her pursue a goal that represents the exact opposite of that is really interesting.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 9:23 am

Could have done with losing the imitation scene but apart from that, good episode. Easily the best Wonderbolts episode.

Rainbow is on a good run of episodes lately.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 11:48 am

PaulloDEC wrote:This is the bit that interests me. Dash is typically so self-centered that seeing her pursue a goal that represents the exact opposite of that is really interesting.

I don't think she's quite so self-centered as to want to hog the lion's share of attention in performances like this. After all, she's gotten to fly with them while she was a reservist and she had no such trouble there. This is what she's wanted all her life, so it'd surely take something extra to push her in that direction, something like being saddled with an undesirable nickname.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 1:11 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I don't think she's quite so self-centered as to want to hog the lion's share of attention in performances like this. After all, she's gotten to fly with them while she was a reservist and she had no such trouble there. This is what she's wanted all her life, so it'd surely take something extra to push her in that direction, something like being saddled with an undesirable nickname.


Agree, totally. It's not that I'm expecting her to act out, I just find it interesting the way her established personality traits looked like they might clash with her desired goal. That they don't might suggest a level of maturity to S6 Dash that's been building for a while now.

EDIT: Oh, and I liked this little piece of animation:

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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 2:59 pm

Wait, there are 7 Wonderbolts now, including Dash? That seems strange. There are only 6 pilots in both the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds: Lead, Right Wing, Left Wing, and Slot (the "Diamond"), along with Lead Solo and Opposing Solo.

Do I remember right that Spitfire told Dash someone had retired, which opened up a slot for her? I don't have the episode handy.

So what's the Wonderbolts roster now? Let's see: Spitfire (CO), Soarin (XO?), Fleetfoot, Misty Fly, ???, ???, Dash... who am I missing here?
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 3:01 pm

Whomever the yellow one with the teal hair was, she was pretty and had a great voice.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 3:34 pm

Also, reading that list of pilots' callsigns and their explanations, I saw more than one who wanted more than anything to be "Iceman" after watching Top Gun and ended up with a callsign like "Slushie" (not cool enough to be ice), which makes me irrationally happy.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 4:13 pm

Wylie wrote:Wait, there are 7 Wonderbolts now, including Dash? That seems strange. There are only 6 pilots in both the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds: Lead, Right Wing, Left Wing, and Slot (the "Diamond"), along with Lead Solo and Opposing Solo.

Do I remember right that Spitfire told Dash someone had retired, which opened up a slot for her? I don't have the episode handy.

So what's the Wonderbolts roster now? Let's see: Spitfire (CO), Soarin (XO?), Fleetfoot, Misty Fly, ???, ???, Dash... who am I missing here?

I don't think the show has ever been clear on how many active Wonderbolts there are at any given time. Like, judging by this screenshot from The Best Night Ever, there were at least nine unique Wonderbolts (one of them at the table is very clearly a copy of Soarin) back then:
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To add to that, I think the Wonderbolts are better off not strictly following the Blue Angels in so many regards, anyway. A bunch of episodes, TT123 in particular, have done so much to establish the lore and history of the Wonderbolts that I think they rather deserve to have plenty of their own protocols as well.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 6:40 pm

I've a friend who liked the episode, but, "I had to fast forward the instant the cringe started" and he refuses to go back and watch it. Already deleted it off his DVR.

I even commanded him to go back and watch it, since he knows everything ends fine, and he won't!
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 7:31 pm

Aramek wrote:I've a friend who liked the episode, but, "I had to fast forward the instant the cringe started" and he refuses to go back and watch it. Already deleted it off his DVR.

I even commanded him to go back and watch it, since he knows everything ends fine, and he won't!

The cringe was definitely the most divisive part of this episode, from what I've seen of fan discussions.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 7:32 pm

Aramek wrote:I've a friend who liked the episode, but, "I had to fast forward the instant the cringe started" and he refuses to go back and watch it. Already deleted it off his DVR.

I even commanded him to go back and watch it, since he knows everything ends fine, and he won't!

I can sympathize, but I also loved that segment.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 7:32 pm

Wylie wrote:Wait, there are 7 Wonderbolts now, including Dash? That seems strange. There are only 6 pilots in both the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds: Lead, Right Wing, Left Wing, and Slot (the "Diamond"), along with Lead Solo and Opposing Solo.

Do I remember right that Spitfire told Dash someone had retired, which opened up a slot for her? I don't have the episode handy.

So what's the Wonderbolts roster now? Let's see: Spitfire (CO), Soarin (XO?), Fleetfoot, Misty Fly, ???, ???, Dash... who am I missing here?

Fluttershy: That's really great. I know how long you've been waiting for a spot to open up.
Rainbow Dash: Yeah. Fire Streak decided to retire and teach full-time. Cloudsdale Flight School will probably be churning out Wonderbolts with him there. But guess who was at the top of the Reserve list.


Rainbow Dash: But... you guys all called me Rainbow Crash.
Soarin: Yeah, so? My nickname's "Clipper". You know why they call me that?
Rainbow Dash: Uh... 'cause you're as fast as a ship?
Soarin: Because I clipped my wing on a flagpole as I was landing on my first day. Heh.
Rainbow Dash: Huh.
Fleetfoot: "Flatfoot". My first day, I misjudged my landing and came down right on Spitfire's hoof.
Misty Fly: "Dizzy".
Surprise: "Slowpoke".
"High Winds": "Hoof-in-Mouth".
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 7:39 pm

I cringed way more at Rainbow Dash's blown performance in the third act than at her impressions of her friends in the second act. Those I laughed at, but while she was seriously screwing up at the end, I just felt sorry for her.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 7:40 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I cringed way more at Rainbow Dash's blown performance in the third act than at her impressions of her friends in the second act. Those I laughed at, but while she was seriously screwing up at the end, I just felt sorry for her.

Same here, I felt way worse about that last ditch stunt she was pulling because I thought it'd get her kicked out.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 7:57 pm

Wonderbolts from the barracks.

From left to right: Soarin', (Rapidfire/"Silver Lining"), ("Lightning Streak"), ("High Winds"), Surprise/Wonderbolt 1, Spitfire, Fleetfoot, (???), Misty Fly?

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Also, I just noticed the paintings hanging in that room. :starity:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 8:03 pm

All their designs are so pretty! :allears:

Soarin always looks tired from that single line he's drawn with but in this case it makes sense.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 8:31 pm

Aramek wrote:All their designs are so pretty! :allears:

Soarin always looks tired from that single line he's drawn with but in this case it makes sense.

He's just high strung.
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 8:36 pm

I always interpreted that as him being older, like he's in his 50's or so.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 9:00 pm

VoidChicken wrote:I always interpreted that as him being older, like he's in his 50's or so.

I remember one if the creators saying he's based on one of their young sons or something. :ponder: No worries anyway, he's cool.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 9:05 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Wonderbolts from the barracks.

From left to right: Soarin', (Rapidfire/"Silver Lining"), ("Lightning Streak"), ("High Winds"), Surprise/Wonderbolt 1, Spitfire, Fleetfoot, (???), Misty Fly?

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So then that was Claire Corlett voicing Surprise (white w/yellow mane), can we work out who Michelle Creber was?
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 9:09 pm

I've never been sure one way or the other whether that line under his eye is meant to be a sagline or a bulge fold because his eyes stick out from his head moreso than most ponies?
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 10:18 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I cringed way more at Rainbow Dash's blown performance in the third act than at her impressions of her friends in the second act. Those I laughed at, but while she was seriously screwing up at the end, I just felt sorry for her.


It was a cartoony failure though, it's different from the very real awkwardness from that other scene :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 11:10 pm

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It was a cartoony failure though, it's different from the very real awkwardness from that other scene :v:

The weird part is that, when I was watching all that in the preview clip, I thought it was nothing more than goofy cartoon slapstick stuff. When I saw the full episode I actually felt bad even though the whole sequence was still the same.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 11:36 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Wonderbolts from the barracks.
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I'm one of the people who really loves making this show's universe come to life and wanting everything shown in the show to make sense, but because a wide shot of a room like this needs to look "full" in animation due to the pan from left to right, the storyboarders filled it in with a lot of extra characters. I also doubt the captain would sleep in the same room as the rest of the members.

From AKR's "The Elements of Harmony Guidebook,"
THE WONDERBOLTS are an elite squad of Pegasus ponies who perform amazing aerial feats of derring-do at competitions across the lands of Equestria. SPITFIRE is team captain and a spirited competitor. SOARIN loves blazing a trail through the clouds—but only when he's not chowing down on one of Applejack's pies. Other team members include Blaze, Fire Streak, Fleetfoot, High Winds, Lightning Streak, Misty Fly, Rapidfire, Silver Lining, Surprise, and Wave Chill.

I suppose if we really wanted to stretch our imaginations, we could say there are "show" Wonderbolts (the six or seven or whatever random number fits the current animation scene) who do all the acrobatics, and all of the Wonderbolts do things like fight dragons, evil queens, and other villains. Or they trade off depending on their speciality. I'm not sure the show-runners really have a firm grasp on what exactly the Wonderbolts are from episode to episode, I'm not sure they care, and as much as I want it to, I don't know if it really makes a difference. It wasn't until season 4 or so that Spitfire and Soarin' got their own cutie marks: The photo of Dash with Soarin' in Canterlot Wedding showed Soarin's cutie mark as the generic Wonderbolts logo, but later in Rainbow Falls he had his own unique 'mark.

Over time, the show's grown up and taken itself more seriously, but it's not lost what made it fun and special to begin with. What was once a placeholder (like a temporary cutie mark) can be developed over time, and while you can't erase the past animation, that doesn't need to invalidate what the producers, animators, and actors want to do with the Property in the future. The show is rich as well as constantly developing, and that's one of the things that makes it so special to me.

On a lighter topic, Soarin' always looks "old" and "tired," but I think the line under his eye makes him look distinct. Besides, Matt Hill's plays Soarin' with such a cool voice (mature and raspy but enthusiastic) I can't help but love him.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Mon May 09, 2016 11:56 pm

His voice reminds me of Shining Armor's voice Sans the surfer dude.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue May 10, 2016 1:07 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:The weird part is that, when I was watching all that in the preview clip, I thought it was nothing more than goofy cartoon slapstick stuff. When I saw the full episode I actually felt bad even though the whole sequence was still the same.


It's extra weird because its the exact same thing she reported Lightning Dust for and she got kicked out for it.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Tue May 10, 2016 1:10 am

After 5 years I'm finally changing my avatar. I kind of have to after this episode :awesomedash:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Tue May 10, 2016 1:29 am

I love that you're still here, friend. :hug: Also great ep, eh?
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