Re: S07E10: A Royal Problem
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Daring Do
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The Doctor wrote:I just can't get past this character flaw, and it's fourth time she's done this.
Daring Do wrote:Starlight is schizophrenic, and Twilight was the manifestation of her own inner doubts.
Soft Snow wrote:You know what? I see a lot of myself in your comments when I utter hate something about a character everyone else loves. While I don't agree with your sentiment, I appreciate the passion of your opinions. Your comments make me feel human, thank you.
Being a former schizophrenic myself, I don't think my hallucinations were ever the result of my emotional feelings. It felt more like being trapped in a waking dream where I saw people around me doing and saying things they weren't actually doing while real people sounded like they were talking in gibberish. I get it was a joke and I found it funny, but my own experience make me feel like Twilight would have seemed her normal size to her.
Daring Do wrote:
Oh. Wow. Thanks for sharing... Hope I wasn't being insensitive.
Soft Snow wrote:Nah, your fine. But it always leaves me with a weird feeling when people bring it up because it's a unique experience few people understand. I tend to clarify it whenever people joke about it. I hope I didn't make you feel uncomfortable about bringing it up.
Aramek wrote:I like Starlight because of all the things Doc hates about her.
I love the way she solves problems by just magic-ing it.
Dexanth wrote:
I too feel this way. I find Starlight hitting things with magic to be engaging and interesting and YES STARLIGHT GLIMMER was amusing to me and this is pony world where things like random mind control just happen
Fizzbuzz wrote:This is my take on it too, pretty much. Starlight's actions in Every Little Thing She Does might seem abhorrent to us, but in a world where crazy giant monsters show up and get swept away all in about half an hour, is it really that bad? Weird magic stuff happens, might as well have fun with it.
The Doctor wrote:
Again, she's violating others. Magical world or not, it's a shitty thing to keep doing I think. And worst of all, she's not learning from it, she's now being praised for it. She has absolutely no regard for others if they aren't acting the way she wants them to. Hell, that was the point of "Every Little Thing She Does", and apparently it's not longer a big deal. That's bad character development.
Dexanth wrote:
I don't think the writers are looking at it through the morality lens of agency and the philosophical ramifications of mind control so much as 'This will be fun and funny to write about/animate'
The Doctor wrote:
Would have been funny to write about an animate if she had suggested it as a plan to Celestia and Luna and them given her permission. Or if they had asked her to do it. Would have made her less of a sociopath, and really wouldn't have changed anything else about the episode. She would still have her fears of it not working.
Dexanth wrote:Contextually I saw it far more as her going 'Shit this is all falling apart they are fighting even more now what do I do AHA!' and then she leapt before looking.
The Doctor wrote:
And how many times does she get to do this before it's a problem? This would have been a great opportunity for her to finally grow out of that. But apparently, her forcing her will on others is now something others praise her for. I don't think that's right.
Fizzbuzz wrote:Well, what is the alternative? She panicked in the face of Celestia and Luna bickering with each other, after more diplomatic means failed. She's pretty obviously trying not to do this sort of stuff as a first resort anymore. Is she too dangerous to exist? Does Celestia need to call Tirek up, have him suck out all Starlight's magic, and send him back to hell with it? Or can she be brought about to use her power for good?
Fizzbuzz wrote:She did ask them, though. Specifically, she asked Celestia and Luna to consider each other's grievances. When that got them to fighting even more, and after having been fed a healthy dose of neuroses from Twilight, that's what made her panic and take drastic measures to stop what she perhaps thought, for just a second, was going to be the start of a new dark age for Equestria. I really wouldn't expect Starlight to be able to keep cool in the face of two titans about to clash, at least not now.
Soft Snow wrote:It is really surprisingly how these pony conversations can lead to some unexpected happy places. I'm going to remember these times fondly.
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The Doctor wrote:Starlight would still worry about doing the wrong thing.
The Doctor wrote:Her anxiety came a good amount from Twilight. And Twilight still would have freaked out about it, even with their consent. I think Starlght still would have freaked out wondering if it was the right thing to do and second guessing the plan. She would still have a nightmare about the worst imaginable scenario.
Soft Snow wrote:But would be worst imaginable scenario for two ponies who realize they have a problem and are trying to solve but fail to do so? What would develop that would make Starlight question if it was the right thing to do? Because at this point in the revision of the story the two sisters are still willing to talk to each other to work things out. There would have to be something to suggest that dialog has broken down to the point where the extreme outcome is a likely event. The whole premise of the first story is that the sisters weren't talking which was creating hurt feeling between them and last time that happened it resulted in Nightmare Moon and it could happen again. In this story, the sisters are talking so they are at least explaining how they feel, they just disagree that the other is doing more work and decide to which jobs to them to prove the other has it easy. By eliminating that emotional element, it removes the threat that if one of them is proven right, the other will turn evil. Your story would be like if Celestia and Luna held a baking contest and they called Starlight over to be the judge and she was so worried that she might mess up that the end result would turn both of them evil. Which might be true of some characters of the show, but for Starlight, that would seem strangely out of character for her. Then you would also have to explain by Twilight would be so panicky over Starlight judging the sister's cakes. There needs to be something more to explain why things could escalate that far.
Captain Rufus wrote:Glimmy sometimes just does the first thing that comes to her mind.
Which is usually MAGIC THE HELL OUT OF IT.
Captain Rufus wrote:Which is usually MAGIC THE HELL OUT OF IT.
Her character arc is learning that just because she can doesn't mean she should.
Gloomy Rube wrote:Is what Starlight did morally right? Probably not. Is it something totally in character for her? Yes. That's really all it comes down to in the end.
Ragnar wrote:It worked great this time, I note.
Captain Rufus wrote:
Yes but no. Because if it worked fine and she didn't learn to just do first and ask forgiveness later (and also think before acting) it means in the future she gonna mess shit up in a bad bad way both emotionally, personally, and in general.
(But it's a semi episodic cartoon with only a loose continuity and a setting with logic that only works if you don't think too hard about it so it might not matter either way. )![]()
Past performance does not guarantee future results.
But now I totally want a Jeff Goldblum guest star episode.
Fizzbuzz wrote:But with that title that'd just be about a pony de-aging and becoming a child, not turning into some sort of bug monster.
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