S04E14: Filli Vanilli

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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:07 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Holy shit.
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Farewell, mother. Farewell, father.
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The way they're able to visualize Fluttershy's social anxiety is incredibly creepy. The fucking eyes, man. Always watching :negative:

Also, "Making Family Fun!" :amazing:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:10 pm

Of all the times to put that logo, it had to be there. :gotcha:
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:17 pm

The eyes! THE EYES!

This isn't fun at all! :nnngh:
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:19 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Holy shit.
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Farewell, mother. Farewell, father.
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These screencaps were from an episode of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. :crack: Really. This is pretty dang :black101:

ahhh those ponies are all bald as well, furthering the creepiness. This show likes going into the uncomfortable zone a bit. :amazing:

The lesson learned is so perfect since it's what I have been doing when writing up essays. I hated doing that, but you just have to dive in and progress slowly. Eventually, you get comfortable. I'm so glad Fluttershy mentioned "baby steps". It's an apt description. I want to bet all of us have had some experience with this lesson.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:24 pm

I can't screencap it right now, but guess who was invited to the cuteceañera party of that weird filly with the terrible design?

Twist :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:26 pm

I actually noticed Twist. She was almost right next to that filly as well...
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:36 pm

Oh my god, this season :starity:

I was so down on this episode and I was so wrong. Again :shenanigans:

Perfect slice of life, just every little thing, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :flail:

Too :ponydrugs: for proper analysis right now, just five fave pones out of five :allears: :allears: :allears: :allears: :allears:
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:37 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :yay: :flipout: :flipout: :flutterunsmith: :yay: :yay:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:41 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:I can't screencap it right now, but guess who was invited to the cuteceañera party of that weird filly with the terrible design?

Twist :gotcha:

:fluttersmith: Twist had to find new friends after being abandoned by Apple Bloom.

:flutterunsmith: It's good that she's moved on and has new ponies to hang out with.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:45 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:I can't screencap it right now, but guess who was invited to the cuteceañera party of that weird filly with the terrible design?

Twist :gotcha:

To add to that, I wonder if the CMC straight-up weren't invited or if they just chose not to go.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:45 pm

God, Pinkie is shit in this episode. Like seriously, she's a total asshole. I think this is a new low in how much the writers have screwed up writing her.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:53 pm

Tailspin wrote:God, Pinkie is shit in this episode. Like seriously, she's a total asshole. I think this is a new low in how much the writers have screwed up writing her.

Good thing there's more to the episode than just this!

Act II (1/2)

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Looks like Cranky & Matilda enjoy farm activities as well.

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:amazing: : A silly activity someone has won 6 years in a row? I must out-do him!!

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Love that turkey trophy.

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Yes Rarity, a turkey call.

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The inside of Big Mac's mouth - Making Family Fun.

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Oh, memories... still love Spike & Spitty Pie's faces.

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:vogue: : Do unscrunch your nose, dearest.

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:nuhuh:

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The walrus has created a fanon love traingle... :thejoke:

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Yo Spike, you're a kid, you can abuse that and go to the front! :v:

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Oh, that wasn't Tank... well, Dinky has a turtle tortoise now at least. :allears:

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Goldie: A standout among pet adoption savers....... yeah.

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Gummy, I want you to be tiny forever. Don't eat the 'gator.

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Don't give it all away already Big Mac. (I totally didn't see any fireflies first watch)

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:allears: #4

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:memories:

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These fireflies are sure well-trained!
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:54 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:
The way they're able to visualize Fluttershy's social anxiety is incredibly creepy. The fucking eyes, man. Always watching :negative:

Also, "Making Family Fun!" :amazing:


It's sorta a theme for Fluttershy:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:58 pm

Wayoshi wrote:
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I love the eye at the end so leave open if she's just screwing with him or not.

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The walrus has created a fanon love traingle...


And Lyra found herself a special somepony. :smirk:

:excellent: Fandom implosion imminent.
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:59 pm

such cute

much adorbs

wow

:) / :D
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:02 pm

The Doctor wrote:I love the eye at the end so leave open if she's just screwing with him or not.



Oh man, that is such a great detail :allears:

Not down with all the flack adorable filly and her cool Scandinavian dad are getting :rainbert:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:04 pm

All I can say in the brief time I have right now is

JESUS SHIT WHAT AN EPISODE :flail:

Aramek-style :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs:

Amy Keating Rogers has never been my favorite writer; back in the S1/S2 era she was by far the most wildly variable, penning both some of the best eps (like Best Night Ever) and some of the worst (MMMystery, others I'm not fond of). But I don't know what's got into her this season, other than a whole lot of fan adulation, because holy crap she is bringing it now. This episode had so damn much story, so many surprising little pieces of invention right alongside long-dormant callbacks, it felt like getting bombarded with new stuff at every disorienting turn like in Best Night Ever all over again.

And Daniel Ingram has just turned in his formal "Please submit only bare outline lyrics to me from now on, I'll take it from there" request. And if I were running the show I'd take him up on it in a heartbeat. The entire episode was basically one enormous song, and it just kept getting better and better. Every new verse, every new little Fluttershy-getting-into-it scene just piled on the joy and the :ponydrugs: —my sides are still aching and my eyes are still streaming, best episode this season. And partly BECAUSE of Pinkie Pie. I love that AKR was consciously doing something new with her. I'm not going to tie myself in knots over whether Pinkie was "wrong" or whether her actions here are directly contradicted by prior canon that AKR herself established. I'm going to revel in the fact that she said "fuck it" and just wrote her so goddamn over-the-top that at first I was just slack-jawed at the sheer audacity of it.... and then could only sit in awe at her dedication to this crazy new angle on overbearing unfeeling jerk Pinkie who honestly doesn't realize that what she's saying is hurtful, she's just spewing out her stream of consciousness and saying what everyone is thinking, especially Fluttershy. It's traditionally RD's role, but RD has been growing out of her tactless phase lately, and Pinkie's new fresh take on it is funny as hell and I laughed my ass off. That to me is a win.

Now if you'll excuse me I have more :ponydrugs: in my brain than I've had in a goddamn long time.

BUM BUM BUM BA-DA-DAAH DAAAH BUM BUM BUM-BA DAA AAAAHHH :yay:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:06 pm

Finished watching it, it was OK and that's that.

Recycling Flutterguy was pointless and the episode would've still worked without it.
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:08 pm

I wanted to like Flutterguy, but it wasn't the previous voice actor, so it just didn't fully work. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:09 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Now if you'll excuse me I have more :ponydrugs: in my brain than I've had in a goddamn long time.

BUM BUM BUM BA-DA-DAAH DAAAH BUM BUM BUM-BA DAA AAAAHHH :yay:



Totally, it feels like someone's injected a giant syringe full of serotonin into my brain :D

So I just keep bloating my post count with practically content-free posts because I can't even-

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Postby Strangepony (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:12 pm

Tailspin wrote:God, Pinkie is shit in this episode. Like seriously, she's a total asshole. I think this is a new low in how much the writers have screwed up writing her.


:v: Being an insensitive jerk is my job!

Jerkass Pinkie worked from a storytelling perspective as the voice of Fluttershy's inner fears. So I'm willing to give the writers a pass on this one.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:13 pm

Pinkie is probably one of the most inconsistenly written characters I've encountered. I'd say at this point I don't know if she even has an actual character, as her characterization changes from episode to episode.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:17 pm

At this point I think she just is inconsistent. Which makes sense, given her normal wackiness and such.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:21 pm

I'd say it's just bad writing. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:22 pm

I never expected myself to see Pinkie in the "villain" role, but, she did it so well, I hope it happens more often. :awesomedash:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:26 pm

The Doctor wrote:And Lyra found herself a special somepony. :smirk:

:excellent: Fandom implosion imminent.

Don't worry, that's Lyra #2. Lyra #1 is off to the left looking at the "proper care for pets" display.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:27 pm

Strangepony wrote:Jerkass Pinkie worked from a storytelling perspective as the voice of Fluttershy's inner fears. So I'm willing to give the writers a pass on this one.

Basically. Fluttershy's thought process needed explaining to the audience, and it needed to be vocalized so that the other characters could explain that those thoughts aren't correct and whap them with a newspaper. The only other alternative way of doing this would have been for Fluttershy to vocalize those words herself, but that might have confused kids into thinking the rest were admonishing her instead of that thought process.
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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:31 pm

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The inside of Big Mac's mouth - Making Family Fun.


Note that, unlike humans, horses and ponies have their front teeth disconnected from the molars. (Probably should be the same on the top, but that would cause issues with cartoony smiling, so...)

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:32 pm

I had said in the spoiler thread that I really really hoped they didn't bring Flutterguy back because doing so would dilute the effect of the original joke. But the corollary that I didn't say (or maybe said, I can't remember) was that if they really go all-in with it and sell the hell out of it, it can work great. If the benefits of revisiting the idea lend themselves enough to a new story concept that the benefits outweigh the knock it deals to the out-of-the-weeds surprise factor of the original, then the results can be even more rewarding than it was the first time.

Futurama (pre-resurrection) was really good at this. Small jokes in early episodes became the basis for whole episodes later. I really didn't expect (or want) to see the Robot Devil come back after four whole years. And yet he did, in the (original) finale... which turned out to be one of the best episodes the show ever did. Because they sold it. They made something new out of it. They acknowledged its ridiculousness in-universe, and turned it into something even better.

That's what they did here with Flutterguy. It's really really hard to just let a great joke lie, much as it's usually the right thing to do. And if you don't take the bull by the horns and really make it worth it, it's usually far more to the show's detriment to lazily dip back into the old bag of tricks just for the sake of a "hey remember that time when" joke that doesn't expand upon it, or expands upon it in a stupid, "midichlorians" kind of way that ruins the magic of the original. But here, it starts with Zecora giggling to herself as she forms the plan before even telling the rest of us about it, and the episode takes its time spinning its way into making for a nice, organic, obvious setup for making Flutterguy an actual useful thing for a story. Once the setup is in place, it feels right that that's the way it should go... and indeed, if the episode had set up a "Fluttershy likes to sing, the Ponytones want her on stage, and Big Mac has lost his voice" premise, and they had solved it some way other than Flutterguy, how many of us would have been all like "Hey I know what they could have done, c'mon writers it was so obvious :rainbert: "

It all felt right to me. It felt like AKR was just reveling in the world she'd helped create, with as much of the frenetic joy of creation and "holy shit this is My Little Pony" as must have been present in the chaotic days of the show's inception. It felt like the callback was earned... and if for no larger reason than that Flutterguy itself wasn't even the focus of the episode or its lesson, it was just a catalyst for putting Fluttershy in a new place and letting us see her in a new set of (really frickin' adorable) circumstances.

And "baby steps" is chapter-and-verse Pony, just the way we like it. Really, the whole thing is a rich mixture of "everything we've always loved about the show" and "holy shit new things".



Anyway, I totally thought Zipporwhill was supposed to be a Breezie. :wat:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:33 pm

Headless Horse wrote:It's traditionally RD's role, but RD has been growing out of her tactless phase lately, and Pinkie's new fresh take on it is funny as hell and I laughed my ass off. That to me is a win.

Meanwhile, AJ steps into Pinkie's vacated role of "sum up what happened to catch the rest of the characters up in 10 seconds." :iamapony:

Pretorius: cool, thanks for that mini-lecture! :spike101:

Headless Horse wrote:It all felt right to me. It felt like AKR was just reveling in the world she'd helped create, with as much of the frenetic joy of creation and "holy shit this is My Little Pony" as must have been present in the chaotic days of the show's inception.

Absolutely, I felt similarly - an episode based off of one of the best early episodes, and yet also feels right at home with the early days.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:36 pm

Pretorius wrote:(Probably should be the same on the top, but that would cause issues with cartoony smiling, so...)

Well, consider also how short their muzzles are compared to a real horse. Much like humans evolved from lesser apes, these ponies developed shorter faces and more bunched-up teeth as they rose to sapience. :twience:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:43 pm

I also had confidently predicted that Big Mac would have conveniently "lost his voice" just prior to the first word that comes out of his mouth on stage, just to further the "doesn't talk as long as the camera is on" joke in the same way as the "parachute will open" gag in Pinkie Apple Pie.

But this episode didn't take that easy angle either. It actually made him sing. It did do its share of NO TALK HORSE jokes (Rarity interrupting him to straighten his tie, etc), but putting him up on stage and having him anchor the bass line with some barbershop doo-wopping was just so rewarding to see, if anyone was concerned that it "ruined his character" or anything I hope they were swiftly kicked in the pants. And when he loses his voice, the fact that it comes later on in the episode—after it's established that he actually does sing and we get to hear him and everything—means it has accreted multiple layers of irony. Big Mac.... has lost his voice. :iamapony: It's not lost on anyone, and it's a bloody great idea.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:49 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Well, consider also how short their muzzles are compared to a real horse. Much like humans evolved from lesser apes, these ponies developed shorter faces and more bunched-up teeth as they rose to sapience. :twience:


Considering they also have more brains in there, yeah. We humans have that issue too, I've had eight teeth yanked simply to give my other teeth room (4 wisdoms, 4 other).

This one felt more "together" than last week's episode- don't get me wrong, last one had it's good parts as well. But it took a situation and put in an off-the-wall solution, reminded us that Laughter is also Hysteria (and then must be whomped with rolled up papers), and gave us a lot of those little slice-of-life moments mixed in that take an episode above the norm. Pony world just got a little more colorful and fleshed out, and this is a Good Thing.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:50 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I also had confidently predicted that Big Mac would have conveniently "lost his voice" just prior to the first word that comes out of his mouth on stage, just to further the "doesn't talk as long as the camera is on" joke in the same way as the "parachute will open" gag in Pinkie Apple Pie.

But this episode didn't take that easy angle either. It actually made him sing. It did do its share of NO TALK HORSE jokes (Rarity interrupting him to straighten his tie, etc), but putting him up on stage and having him anchor the bass line with some barbershop doo-wopping was just so rewarding to see, if anyone was concerned that it "ruined his character" or anything I hope they were swiftly kicked in the pants. And when he loses his voice, the fact that it comes later on in the episode—after it's established that he actually does sing and we get to hear him and everything—means it has accreted multiple layers of irony. Big Mac.... has lost his voice. :iamapony: It's not lost on anyone, and it's a bloody great idea.

Agreed. I've never been down with the Big-Mac-doesn't-talk jokes, but if any other show had tried to handle it the way this show does, it would come off as gratuitously inconsistent, like the writers couldn't decide what direction to take it. Here, somehow, it still manages to feel organic.

Headless Horse wrote:Anyway, I totally thought Zipporwhill was supposed to be a Breezie. :wat:

Oh yeah, and that too. She's just so tiny! And I only had a vague idea what breezies even were.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:54 pm

Wayoshi wrote:^ :flutterdear: : That's a little harsh, don't you think?

(I liked it :pinkieshrug: )


There's way too much going on with that design. The hair. The body style. The shirt. The beard. The glasses.

A minor character doesn't need any of those things, and can get away with maybe one of them if it's gotta be an atypical design for some reason, but including them all at once is a goddamn train wreck. It's like when people go on Pony Creator and ADD ALL THE ACCESSORIES for their overdone OCs.

This was a good episode though! I just really, really hated this one instance of design work.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:59 pm

It was very obviously based on some real person, possibly a show staffer.

Zipporwhill probably was too. :-P
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:59 pm

The design is still terrible, regardless.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:02 pm

Well, not arguing that, though it's not like the Big Lebowski ponies were any less "wrong" for the show. Still, the voice/accent they gave him for no particular reason was hilarious. :cheese:

As is the idea of a hyperactive pegasus kid who is part hummingbird :gotcha:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:07 pm

That kid is the new Twist. :gotcha:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:09 pm

Tailspin wrote:That kid is the new Twist. :gotcha:


Twist has always been cool. This kid is Pipsqueak mark 2.
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