S04E13: Simple Ways

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:30 pm

Conspiracy Theory Time: What if ApeJewl is AJs real name but she later changed it to Applejack to sound less fru-fru.


Also, not sure if it's been touched on or not. But I think when Rarity had the Fillies in the barn showing them what the new theme was, her putting all that silly stuff on AB while kind of mean was a nice touch, it's like she was passive aggressively taking her anger out on AJ by picking on her little sister, which is of course wrong, but also shows how far down the rabbit whole she was at that point.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:50 pm

The Doctor wrote:Surprise combed her mane for the selection ceremony.


Can't be Surprise, she's never seen outside full uniform in public. Might have been a Wonderbolt -costume-, like the clown and Society For Creative Anachronism pair. Edit note: Forgot Wonderbolts Academy, that's where she's from! Ponyville's festivals get a lot of tourists- Wonderbolts, half the Apple relations...

This one had a lot of good parts, they just didn't gel as well as they could have. Rarity was good, Applejack was ALSO good- and oddly enough, it seems she gets her best moments in "other pony" episodes.

In other news, when I saw Pinkie at the beginning:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:00 pm

Is it just me, or did that knight pony at the beginning resemble El Cid?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:04 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I wonder if this subplot is going to serve a purpose like the Equestrian Games in the future.

Eh, I doubt we'll see Trenderhoof come back, at least as the object of Rarity's desires. Maybe he'll get a passing reference like Trixie got referenced in Ponyville Confidential.
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:22 pm

I like that the general concept of this episode was "weird hipster wants to mack on a farmer".

Also Spike was on point.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:39 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:It's also pretty mind-blowing and hilarious to see commentary on hipster cultural appropriation in My Little Pony

Tears wrote:very specific rendering of a certain type of hipster, might make the tone of this episode a little bit New Yorker cartoon for what some people want from poni


Yeah, I dug how Haber did a laser-guided skewering of hipsterism while still being subtle about it. Like those lines about extinct apples and "authenticity" -- they're funny because that's how people like that talk. The laughs are laughs of recognition, not a stereotypey LOL HE SAID "YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER HEARD OF IT" OH MAN WHAT A HIPSTER AMIRITE :v:

That said, it's a pretty inside-baseball joke and I get it if people don't think it feels pony. But it does seem like something that amuses Josh Haber, and I'm always in favor of writers doing what they think is funny instead of writing what they think the audience wants to see.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:45 pm

I also like that little bit of social commentary, it's interesting to see that happen within the show.
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Postby Minty (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:50 pm

It was nice Rarity complimented Applejack on her looks after all that. :allears: And Spike wearing that little suit was painfully cute. I like that the writers don't take his crush on Rarity seriously at all.

Trenderhoof is a pretty good picture of the out-of-touch society snobs, without being mean-spirited. He's obviously someone who has never really interacted with ponies who are not high society.

Uh...not sure if I should wait and put this in the feminist thread, but I guess I can post it here but maybe it is me being a killjoy?

I've seen some rather sexist reactions from the fanbase. Sympathies extend to Trenderhoof and Spike for being in love with a girl they can't have, but Rarity not only gets no sympathy, but apparently was horribly mean for saying that thing to Spike about how he could never understand being in love with a pony so much. I'm not the only one who has seen these reactions. If this is unnecessary for this post I apologize.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:04 pm

Minty wrote:It was nice Rarity complimented Applejack on her looks after all that. :allears: And Spike wearing that little suit was painfully cute. I like that the writers don't take his crush on Rarity seriously at all.

Trenderhoof is a pretty good picture of the out-of-touch society snobs, without being mean-spirited. He's obviously someone who has never really interacted with ponies who are not high society.

Uh...not sure if I should wait and put this in the feminist thread, but I guess I can post it here but maybe it is me being a killjoy?

I've seen some rather sexist reactions from the fanbase. Sympathies extend to Trenderhoof and Spike for being in love with a girl they can't have, but Rarity not only gets no sympathy, but apparently was horribly mean for saying that thing to Spike about how he could never understand being in love with a pony so much. I'm not the only one who has seen these reactions. If this is unnecessary for this post I apologize.


It certainly wouldn’t be the first time, Rarity has caused such a reaction in some quarters (just as Rarity seems to be the recipient of most accusations (among the Mane Six) of being wantonly promiscuous). As a Rarity loyalist (and feminist), it grinds my gears, but ignorance is more plentiful than hydrogen, and these days I tend to just tune the fools out. There was a reason I came to this delightful corner of the fandom.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:05 pm

Minty wrote:I've seen some rather sexist reactions from the fanbase. Sympathies extend to Trenderhoof and Spike for being in love with a girl they can't have, but Rarity not only gets no sympathy, but apparently was horribly mean for saying that thing to Spike about how he could never understand being in love with a pony so much. I'm not the only one who has seen these reactions. If this is unnecessary for this post I apologize.

She definitely wasn't "horribly" mean, but given that she knows full well about Spike's old feelings for her, bringing that up in front of him was a rather hypocritical thing for Rarity to do. And that's what was intended, considering the look Spike gave to the camera immediately afterwards.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:22 pm

Spike had his "It's Rarity, guys, you understand." face on. :spike101:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:23 pm

She's wasn't mean, just clueless from her hysteria.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:28 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:She definitely wasn't "horribly" mean, but given that she knows full well about Spike's old feelings for her, bringing that up in front of him was a rather hypocritical thing for Rarity to do. And that's what was intended, considering the look Spike gave to the camera immediately afterwards.


Spike may have a crush on Rarity, but her crush seems to be dangerously close to the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit. :-I
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:38 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:She definitely wasn't "horribly" mean, but given that she knows full well about Spike's old feelings for her, bringing that up in front of him was a rather hypocritical thing for Rarity to do. And that's what was intended, considering the look Spike gave to the camera immediately afterwards.



That and she had the whole "I couldn't do this without your help Spikey poo" bit. It's not sexist to point out Rarity's hypocrisy.

But given the whole episode was played for comedy, I don't think there was any intentional belittling of any gender, just a whole sale bashing of anyone acting silly/stupid over a crush, and a subtle jab at hipsters. Which I won't lie I have no idea what a hipster is. :pinkieshrug: I hear about it, but never have I seen one in person.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:41 pm

I've noticed that every time a character is the butt of a joke, some people will call the character who instigated the joke "mean." Rainbow Dash is "mean" because she forced Fluttershy to joust against her in the Crystal Empire, even though cowering armored Fluttershy was cute and funny. Rarity is "mean" because she made Sweetie Belle pull that huge cart of luggage in "Sleepless in Ponyville", even though it was funny. This scene was another such joke, highlighted by Spike's hilarious look straight at the viewer.

Whether or not you find such gags funny depends on your sense of humor, but it's silly to hold a grudge against a character because of an obvious joke. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:53 pm

Ransom wrote:She's wasn't mean, just clueless from her hysteria.


Since it is semi on topic, that's a pretty loaded word historically, and its use should be considered carefully. I'd suggest looking it up.

As for the more general topic, it's absurd that people would take offense as it is a thing that is really just played for laughs. I'm also surprised that people would be particularly sympathetic to a character like Trenderhoof, considering AJ doesn't do anything that could be perceived as mean-spirited in the episode. My sympathies were a lot more for AJ, who was getting really justifiably annoyed and was clearly trying to give an over-enthusiastic Trenderhoof the brush-off.

And then I realized while typing this that it isn't necessarily surprising at all.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:58 pm

Discord wrote:
Since it is semi on topic, that's a pretty loaded word historically, and its use should be considered carefully. I'd suggest looking it up.

As for the more general topic, it's absurd that people would take offense as it is a thing that is really just played for laughs. I'm also surprised that people would be particularly sympathetic to a character like Trenderhoof, considering AJ doesn't do anything that could be perceived as mean-spirited in the episode. My sympathies were a lot more for AJ, who was getting really justifiably annoyed and was clearly trying to give an over-enthusiastic Trenderhoof the brush-off.

And then I realized that it isn't necessarily surprising at all.




Agreed, I felt sorry for AJ having to put up with Trenderhoof & Rarity's nonsense for almost the entire episode.

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Honestly I kind of wish there had been a scene where Big Mac just grabs Trend & drags him off the farm. XD
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:59 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

That and she had the whole "I couldn't do this without your help Spikey poo" bit. It's not sexist to point out Rarity's hypocrisy.


I don’t really see that particular line as hypocritical though. Rarity really does appreciate Spike as a friend and as a helper. Throughout this ordeal, she has fleeting moments of clarity. Regarding her prior statements in that scene, it’s a bit much to require complete fairness from somepony in extremis. Had Rarity been stone-cold sober, and still said those things, it would be a different matter.

Also, no longer “Spikey-Wikey”, now “Spikey Poo”? I wonder if that’ll turn up again—I seem to recall “Spikey-Wikey” occurring in several episodes.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:25 pm

In fairness to Spike, he never tried to change who he is, he's always been helpful. What he needs to do is learn how not to be a tool.

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Honestly I kind of wish there had been a scene where Big Mac just grabs Trend & drags him off the farm. XD


Would have been nice to get some family moment. AJ did kind of go full jerk on Trenderhoof from the start. We never even see her try and get to know the guy first. Invite him to dinner and have be super awkward or something.
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Postby BartonFink (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:30 pm

On that topic, a few people mentioned it but I loved the timing of Spike's fourth wall gag:
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"Hypocrisy" seems like too harsh a word, maybe just a bit comically oblivious.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:37 pm

Well, it's certainly insensitive and tactless given Rarity knows how Spike feels.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:42 pm

The Doctor wrote:Well, it's certainly insensitive and tactless given Rarity knows how Spike feels.


Or rather it would be, were Rarity not in complete disarray. As it stands, she’ll need a mop and bucket to clean her tears from the floor. Hardly an appropriate moment to expect her to be ms. Manners.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:13 pm

Niels Olof wrote:As it stands, she’ll need a mop and bucket to clean her tears from the floor.

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:16 pm

Yeah it's just played for comedy, no need to make a big deal out of it.

Anywho on another topic, I like how Rarity let AJ keep the dress

Now AJ can tie with Rarity in the Fabulous Catagory! :flirt:

Man, Honest, Dependable, Hard Working, and now Fabulous to boot!? Slow down AJ or soon you'll be so perfect even Celestia will be jealous. XD
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:20 pm

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:31 pm

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Is that a Bad Apple cutie mark? The proverbial black sheep of the Apple clan?
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:44 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Also, no longer “Spikey-Wikey”, now “Spikey Poo”? I wonder if that’ll turn up again—I seem to recall “Spikey-Wikey” occurring in several episodes.


He was Spikey-boo in Power Ponies, and there's probably more :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:47 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Is that a Bad Apple cutie mark? The proverbial black sheep of the Apple clan?


Baked Apple, perhaps? (not a weed joke, there actually is such a thing)

The real black sheep of the clan is Grandpa Shrunken Apple Head, who only appears on Nightmare Night to snatch away little Apples who shirk their chores. :eyebrow: :flail:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:53 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Is that a Bad Apple cutie mark? The proverbial black sheep of the Apple clan?

It looks like a hot dab of caramel on top of an apple letting off a bit of steam.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:54 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:
He was Spikey-boo in Power Ponies, and there's probably more :pinkieshrug:


Ah, good. Thanks for refreshing my memory.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:00 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:
Baked Apple, perhaps? (not a weed joke, there actually is such a thing)


Adelor Lyon wrote:It looks like a hot dab of caramel on top of an apple letting off a bit of steam.


Those are definitely more appetising interpretations.
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Postby Minty (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:07 am

It was a little insensitive, but I've seen bronies act like it is pretty much the worst thing she could ever do. :pinkieshrug: But I will drop it. But mad props to this board, a lot of other brony spaces would be yelling at me right now and saying that Rarity is a serial friend zoner and also Satan.

I liked how when Trenderhoof pointed to the ponies and were calling them things like mundane and unappreciated, the ponies were looking back like "Who the hell are you calling mundane?!" It wasn't only a funny jab at the bronies' obsession with Muffin jpeg, but it kind of highlights he has no idea what he's talking about, since the whole point of the show is to show everyone they're valued. And Pinkie is always throwing everybody parties.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:34 am

So—was Trenderhoof a pastiche of Andy Warhol or what?

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:41 am

He was more a pastiche of guys who think they're Andy Warhol.
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Postby mr man (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:05 am

Minty wrote:It was a little insensitive, but I've seen bronies act like it is pretty much the worst thing she could ever do. :pinkieshrug: But I will drop it. But mad props to this board, a lot of other brony spaces would be yelling at me right now and saying that Rarity is a serial friend zoner and also Satan.


Heh, when I saw that scene I just knew there would be bronys crying about Rarity being a evil friendzoner.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:59 am

oh man, new emotes!

:heehaw: What ... what ... what .... what happened in this episode?
:flirt: You went full retard there, Rarity.



SoundMonkey44 wrote:Fun episode, Rarity being awkward stupid, and just down right ridiculous, AJ having to put up with all that. Oh and the part at carousel boutique, the exchange between Rarity & Spike about unrequited love, priceless! :gotcha:


Silent exchange.

What goes unsaid is louder than anything that could ever be spoken! :gotcha:

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"I really respect the work ethic of Earth Ponies." :gotcha:

That line killed me, even in Equestria they have cultural patronization.

We need a Trenderhoof smiley now.

:eyebrow: And it's Earth Ponies that are the numbskulls.
:bluh: Some unicorns have-
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Fizzbuzz wrote:One complaint: Even though the CMC appeared in that scene in the barn, neither Sweetie Belle nor Apple Bloom stopped and asked what the hell Rarity was doing. Though I guess the tiny unicorn is desensitized to this sort of thing by now?


None of them said anything for the episode
I suppose if they had another ten seconds...


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:gah: So uh.... so uh....
:nngh: Is this regular crazy or some sort of new kind of crazy?
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:04 am

Minty wrote:It was a little insensitive, but I've seen bronies act like it is pretty much the worst thing she could ever do. :pinkieshrug: But I will drop it. But mad props to this board, a lot of other brony spaces would be yelling at me right now and saying that Rarity is a serial friend zoner and also Satan.

I liked how when Trenderhoof pointed to the ponies and were calling them things like mundane and unappreciated, the ponies were looking back like "Who the hell are you calling mundane?!" It wasn't only a funny jab at the bronies' obsession with Muffin jpeg, but it kind of highlights he has no idea what he's talking about, since the whole point of the show is to show everyone they're valued. And Pinkie is always throwing everybody parties.


I, for one, think Rarity is awesome for being who she is. :allears:

If she started settling down and accepting "advances", I'd honestly be very disappointed with the show.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:26 am

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None of them said anything for the episode
I suppose if they had another ten seconds...


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They might not have said anything out loud, but the look they both gave Rarity says plenty.

:nngh: Sweetie Belle, what in the world is she doing?

:smirk: Technically I never re-sistered her after the Sisterhooves Social...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:48 am

The Outlander wrote:I, for one, think Rarity is awesome for being who she is. :allears:

If she started settling down and accepting "advances", I'd honestly be very disappointed with the show.

Such romanticism is part of who she is, though. If, say, Rainbow Dash dropped all her goals and ambitions and suddenly went boy-crazy, then I'd be upset. But since looking for love in general isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'm fine with this show having folks like Rarity do that.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:54 am

I think a bigger overlying fault to this episode is it continues a pattern that this show just doesn't want to do romance. "Best Night Ever" and This treat it as more of a joke, though at least this one got the nice "don't change who you are" message. "Hearts and Hooves Day" played it off as a joke, and while they left the door open, they've never stepped through it. Canterlot Wedding saw the wedding of two characters we didn't know and at the time, didn't care about. And the focus was an evil threat to Equestria with the backdrop of a wedding plan. I think a well one romance plot with one of the mane 6 would work just fine. I wouldn't have minded if this episode ended with Trenderhoof and Applejack keeping in touch.
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