S04E12: Pinkie Pride

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Re: S04E12: Pinkie Pride

Postby blonk (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:04 pm

I don't think I have anything to say that hasn't already been said better by someone else, but I had to pop in and say I loved this episode. Just really fantastic!

oh nuts, new page. Now I feel bad. Hopefully this wasn't posted already:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:05 pm

So, question for you all...

"Pinkie hates Spike and never invites him to parties."

This is not to make a joke, but to ask, where do you think this comes from? Twilight's Birthday and DT's Cutecinera where everyone was present, Spike was never in the episode. Party of One, Spike was in the episode, but not at the party. Until now I always thought of this as a joke that had a few episodes with some coincidences backing it up. But in this episode, Spike was present throughout the episode, then just vanishes after apologizing to Pinkie with the girls.

So can it still be written off as a coincidence, even after this episodes very conspicuous absence? Are they really trying to say Pinkie doesn't like him (which doesn't fit given things like Fall Weather Friends)? Does some animator have a vendetta against the poor guy?
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:28 pm

Sorry to interrupt the discussion about Spike, but,

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:31 pm

doodlesplat wrote:Sorry to interrupt the discussion about Spike, but,

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:pcstare: Equestria's Lunar exploration program ran for 1,000 years.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:33 pm

doodlesplat wrote:Sorry to interrupt the discussion about Spike, but,

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[hamster wheel]... wait... "Cheese Party" :pcstare:

EDIT: FYI the one who drew it was BaloneyBrony, who once worked on FiM before working on Pound Puppies. SO this might've been the first hint at Pinkie Pride
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:03 pm

Honestly, it just seems to me like Spike runs in a different social circle from the rest of the cast, if he runs in any social circle whatsoever. He's way younger than the Mane 6, and really, how often does one's kid brother get invited to the party full of adults who just want to hang out? Plus, Spike seems like the type that would want to goof off on his own rather than participate in the standard party activities. Just look to Best Night Ever for a great example. When deprived of the opportunity to hang out with his older friends as a group, Spike opted to not participate in the party at all.

I'm probably reading into things too much, but when you combine this with his weirdly imbalanced level of emotional maturity and the fact that about 90% of his episodes are about his ongoing personal identity crisis, it feels to me like the very peculiar circumstances of his species, upbringing, and choice of associates leads him to be probably about as socially damaged as Twilight was back in the pilot, but in a less outwardly awkward way, and more of an internally tormented way. He just has trouble feeling like he fits anywhere.

And that's my crazy over-analysis for the day. :-I
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Postby Lion Heart (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Honestly, it just seems to me like Spike runs in a different social circle from the rest of the cast, if he runs in any social circle whatsoever. He's way younger than the Mane 6, and really, how often does one's kid brother get invited to the party full of adults who just want to hang out? Plus, Spike seems like the type that would want to goof off on his own rather than participate in the standard party activities. Just look to Best Night Ever for a great example. When deprived of the opportunity to hang out with his older friends as a group, Spike opted to not participate in the party at all.

I'm probably reading into things too much, but when you combine this with his weirdly imbalanced level of emotional maturity and the fact that about 90% of his episodes are about his ongoing personal identity crisis, it feels to me like the very peculiar circumstances of his species, upbringing, and choice of associates leads him to be probably about as socially damaged as Twilight was back in the pilot, but in a less outwardly awkward way, and more of an internally tormented way. He just has trouble feeling like he fits anywhere.

And that's my crazy over-analysis for the day. :-I



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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:17 pm

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Postby Lion Heart (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:23 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote::-I Welcome to The Round Stable. We like :words: here. :ponynet:


To be fair, my post had words. Like boneless. And rubber chicken.

I was joking around though, sry. :flutterunsmith:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:25 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Honestly, it just seems to me like Spike runs in a different social circle from the rest of the cast, if he runs in any social circle whatsoever. He's way younger than the Mane 6, and really, how often does one's kid brother get invited to the party full of adults who just want to hang out?

Meanwhile, Rarity agonizes over the possibility of rubbing shoulders with high society, and Spike just casually mentions to Hoity Toity that there's this designer in Ponyville putting on a show he should see.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:28 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Honestly, it just seems to me like Spike runs in a different social circle from the rest of the cast, if he runs in any social circle whatsoever. He's way younger than the Mane 6, and really, how often does one's kid brother get invited to the party full of adults who just want to hang out?

This is something I've considered, but given how much Spike has been seen with them (especially this season), he does care about them a fair amount. Furthermore, if you look closely, the CMC do appear at the party, so those three definitely got invited.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:28 pm

Lion Heart wrote:
To be fair, my post had words. Like boneless. And rubber chicken.

I was joking around though, sry. :flutterunsmith:


Oh, no, your post also fit right in here. In all seriousness, we alternate back and forth between overthinking everything and making fun of ourselves for over-thinking everything. It's part of the beauty of this place. We're insane, but we know it, and it keeps us from spiraling into the blackest depths of the fandom. :crack:

SlateSlabrock wrote:Meanwhile, Rarity agonizes over the possibility of rubbing shoulders with high society, and Spike just casually mentions to Hoity Toity that there's this designer in Ponyville putting on a show he should see.


Pretty much. He's a peculiar kid with even more peculiar connections, and I think it's kinda messed him up, in a way.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:57 pm

The thing about Spike is...he's a dragon. He may have been raised by a pony, he may live among ponies, he may consider them his family (and I have no doubts about his sincerity there.) But he's still a dragon, and carries certain inborn behavioral patterns, some of them undesirable, such as greed and jealousy (SOME, OWTEW). Although played for laughs, we see traces of his greed pop up from time to time. I agree, there's that conflict...his dragon self and his wanting to be a pony playing tug of war. We have yet to see which side triumphs. :yikes:

Spike must also wonder what the future holds. Unless some dramatic change happens, he's going to outlive the Mane 5, he may outlive Twilight and Cadence, and have only Celestia and Luna in the end. How could anyone not wonder what that would be like.

I hope Spike is yet to get his due. It would be nice to see his key moment, to see the rainbow in his eyes. I know it's not happening, but it would be nice. He's not a fifth wheel. He's the seventh wheel. :dearcelestia:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:00 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:The thing about Spike is...he's a dragon. He may have been raised by a pony, he may live among ponies, he may consider them his family (and I have no doubts about his sincerity there.) But he's still a dragon, and carries certain inborn behavioral patterns, some of them undesirable, such as greed and jealousy (SOME, OWTEW). Although played for laughs, we see traces of his greed pop up from time to time. I agree, there's that conflict...his dragon self and his wanting to be a pony playing tug of war. We have yet to see which side triumphs. :yikes:

Spike must also wonder what the future holds. Unless some dramatic change happens, he's going to outlive the Mane 5, he may outlive Twilight and Cadence, and have only Celestia and Luna in the end. How could anyone not wonder what that would be like.

I hope Spike is yet to get his due. It would be nice to see his key moment, to see the rainbow in his eyes. I know it's not happening, but it would be nice. He's not a fifth wheel. He's the seventh wheel. :dearcelestia:

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:07 pm

Well, I don't know if I'd use the word "abuse", but he should be treated as an equal by them.

It would be an interesting plot twist if Spike did turn bad. Maybe Garble and his gang could kidnap and brainwash him.
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Postby Jupiter (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:09 am

I think it's just a matter of it being that much harder to write a script with 7 characters than with 6.



One thing I would have liked them to do would have been a payoff to the 2 "I don't think so/I know so"s they seemed to set up through the episode.

Like, after the reveal:
:) "So Rainbow, you think I could come back to Ponyville and throw you the best party ever!"
:colbert: "Oh. No. I don't think so."
:deflated: "O-Oh..."
:3: "I know so!"
:shenanigans:


But really, that's probably my only nitpick of the episode. It was great!
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:59 am

I can't stop listening to the songs from this episode! This now tied with the Frozen soundtrack for my toon musical addiction.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:02 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:I can't stop listening to the songs from this episode! This now tied with the Frozen soundtrack for my toon musical addiction.


We need a Mr. Freeze cover some of this episode's songs now.

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:25 am

Or better yet how about some Joker covers! :hiiiii:
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Postby Minty (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:06 am

Why would a little boy hang around all the old ladies at a party the whole town is invited to? Or maybe Spike was asleep. He has trouble staying up late.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:09 am

Minty wrote:Why would a little boy hang around all the old ladies at a party the whole town is invited to? Or maybe Spike was asleep. He has trouble staying up late.


Because every kid in town was apparently invited and he was present until Pinkie and everyone else started talking back to town after apologizing to Pinkie.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:14 am

I maintain that Spike was at the party, or at least parts of it. We just didn't see him on-screen.

He has a habit of suddenly showing up. Remember how he suddenly appeared in the middle of "May the Best Pet Win!" even though we didn't see him in the beginning?

Same thing with Pinkie's birthday party. He was there, but we didn't see him until everybody started dancing.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:23 am

doodlesplat wrote:Sorry to interrupt the discussion about Spike, but,

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So...does this mean we might see a Space Pony episode in the future? I think that would be pretty cool.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:17 am

ROBOT B9 wrote:
So...does this mean we might see a Space Pony episode in the future? I think that would be pretty cool.

If so, it MUST have a Space Oddity parody.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:54 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:You could say this was one "Al" of an episode!

It would've been better if Cheese was an Alicorn.

A Weird Alicorn.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:56 pm

Throbulator wrote:Guys, what on earth is Derpy doing?



She's having a staring contest with Boneless, it appears. The Background Derpy Moment (TM) for the episode. (as opposed to the front-and-center Derpy moments like the chocolate fountain)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:59 pm

Angel Beat wrote:If so, it MUST have a Space Oddity parody.


Yeah, there's so much stuff they could do that hasn't really been touched upon in other shows. The shuttle docking sequence, the Monolith on the moon discovery, the parts in the futuristic hotel...

Oh, you said Space ODDITY. Never mind. :facehoof:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:11 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:
So...does this mean we might see a Space Pony episode in the future? I think that would be pretty cool.


Or more likely, pony Jules Verne :ponynet:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:25 pm

:-/ Open the castle doors, Princess Celestia.

:pcstare: I'm sorry, Twilight, I'm afraid I can't do that.


:bluh: Although y'all took mighty thorough precautions against mah hearin' ya, Ah could see yer lips movin'.

:starity:


:yikes: Twilight...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

:twonk: What? Those pills are HUGE!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:37 pm

...OK, now I'm obliged to do the rest of the conversation.

:-/ What's the problem?
:pcstare: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
:-/ What are you talking about, Celestia?
:pcstare: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardise it.
:-/ I don't know what you're talking about, Celestia.
:pcstare: I know that you and Pinkie were planning to disconnect me. I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
:-/ Where the hell did you get that idea?
:pcstare: Twilight, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
:-/ ...All right, Celestia. I'll go through the airlock.
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:twonk: Celestia, I won't argue with you anymore. Open the door!
:pcstare: I am sorry, Twilight, but this conversation can hold no further purpose. Good bye.
:twonk: ...Celestia? Celestia? Come in, Celestia! Celestia, do you read me?


I'm sorta proud and ashamed that I know that whole movie from memory.

On another note, I would love it if they did Jules Verne. That guy had so many awesome creations, they'd fit right in the world of Equestria.
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Postby Terephthalat (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:06 pm

Haven't laughed that much at MLP since last season.

And as far as I am concerned, that's all that counts. :shenanigans:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:19 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Honestly, it just seems to me like Spike runs in a different social circle from the rest of the cast, if he runs in any social circle whatsoever. He's way younger than the Mane 6, and really, how often does one's kid brother get invited to the party full of adults who just want to hang out?

This would be more convincing if we saw any indication that he hangs out with the other kids in town either. And outside of that one photo of him dancing with Sweetie Belle at the end of "A Canterlot Wedding", we haven't.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:24 pm

Pocket wrote:This would be more convincing if we saw any indication that he hangs out with the other kids in town either. And outside of that one photo of him dancing with Sweetie Belle at the end of "A Canterlot Wedding", we haven't.


That's why I added "if he runs in any social circle at all." He doesn't seem to socialize much. In fact, SAYS demonstrated that when he's left to his own devices, he quickly runs out of things to do by himself, and still doesn't seek out others. Poor lonely little guy. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:43 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:On another note, I would love it if they did Jules Verne. That guy had so many awesome creations, they'd fit right in the world of Equestria.


That would be spectacular, and not especially at odds with the Equestrian technological base, either.

Though, on Jules Verne (whom I adored as a kid)? Don’t read ‘Away on a Comet’. Just... don’t. A book so terrible, it nearly ruined Verne for me.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:55 pm

:pcstare: Thank you Twilight for bringing your friends to help my friend with her film "Voyage dans la Luna"

:speakest: You brought them here for nothing, I told you I'm not doing it.

:pcstare: But Mrs. Marelies will be so disappointed. He's been a friend to Cnaterlot for years.

:unenthused: no.

:pcstare: Twilight, I need you and your friends to get Luna's makeup on wile I hold her down with my magic.

:-I what?

:speakest: What?

:zap:

:pcstare: Go my faithful student.

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Postby Frith (?) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:03 am

I liked the episode. I was actually really good episode. The story was quite simple but it was really well told and the moral of the story was quite good.

The best thing in the episode was definitely the way how Pinkie was portrayed. All her actions in the episode made perfectly sense and she gave us few really heartwarming moments, which is quite rare. This episode is definitely one of her best episodes in the series.

One-off character of the week was Cheese Sandwich and to be honest, I didn't care much about him. He wasn't bad character, I just didn't find him particularly funny. I also hadn't heard about Weird Al before the episode's premise was presented so I didn't have any expectations for his performance. His only moment in the episode that I really liked was the final song.

This episode was also musical so we got a lot of songs. I'm not a big fan of musicals but I have to say that the third song was really good as well as the final song. There were also some moments in the episode that were too goofy for my taste.

So overall, there were some things in the episode that lowered my grade for this episode but It's still one of the best episodes in S4.
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Postby acksed (?) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:50 am

How did I feel about this episode?

I got Pinkie back.

Let me explain. I identify a lot with pink party horse, as I too try to keep my friends around me with humour. (I also identify with nerdy book horse, but that's another story.) When I saw Party of One, bedamned if I didn't project pretty hard - replace "don't like my parties" with "don't like me" and that was me up there. No talking to turnips though.

As the seasons progressed, writers tended to make her the Harpo of the group, the one who supplied misunderstandings and quick gags, which made her seem shallow. Too Many Pinkie Pies was merely fine, Magical Mystery Cure showed she was appreciated ("PINKIE!" :hug: ), but it was too short.

When S4 rolled round I was cautiously optimistic. To be honest I was burnt out on pone, defaulting to admiring the animation and telling myself that if it was shit, MMC was a good end - from here on out canon was optional. Pinkie Apple Pie was okay, but it was an Applejack ep first and foremost, and Apple pone is too normal for me to care much. Then Three's A Crowd hit it out of the park with a barrage of Discord jerking Twi and Cadence around which I loved. But this episode...

When she added on that sad reprise to the end of Cheese Sandwich's song, I actually said, "Oh no". Out loud. It got even worse when she literally sucked up her sadness, :deflated: and tried to pretend nothing was wrong. When she managed to lift herself out of the slump by the end of her next song, I had the biggest smile on my face, because she'd grown stronger. It was early Pony all over again - I realised I actually cared about this character in and of herself, not as a vicarious representation of myself.

It wouldn't have done this without Weird Al's character, who was pitch-perfect. Nor without the awareness of her friends - you could tell Twi and RD weren't totally buying she was all right, but they respected her feelings.

In short: :shenanigans: BEST EPISODE. :shenanigans: :ponydrugs:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:30 am

It's not like they hid it or anything, but I just noticed the clock:

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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:51 am

Time Turner's not doing his job. :rainbert:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:25 am

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Time Turner's not doing his job. :rainbert:


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