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Postby Xaradius (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:21 am

ponygals wrote:I don't get why all of you keep thinking the show will fail or the movie will end it all, I thought all of the fan base loved the show and the series is very popular right now why would you want it to end?


Because majority of the people want to keep in their heart their ``discovery moments´´ it means, the moments when they started to watch the show, all the content and chars are fresh or for exploring, and all seems sunshine and rainbows. Even if that point of view respond in the 90% of the cases at an idealization, more than a reality.

Personally for me, i would like to see the characters that i learned to appreciate survive at FIM and integrate in new shows, now that they form part a bit of the geek culture, like Transformers do (Optimus Prime don´t arrive to earth every transformers reboot from the start) but know, sadly, that the shows for little girls are ruled for other different laws, and every generation of ponies is a product for use and throw to the trash bin when his job is done.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:29 am

Xaradius wrote:Personally for me, i would like to see the characters that i learned to appreciate survive at FIM and integrate in new shows, now that they form part a bit of the geek culture, like Transformers do (Optimus Prime don´t arrive to earth every transformers reboot from the start) but know, sadly, that the shows for little girls are ruled for other different laws, and every generation of ponies is a product for use and throw to the trash bin when his job is done.

Whenever the next generation of MLP begins, I do think all of the Mane Six will survive, at least with their names and general appearances intact. It's not like this hasn't already happened; Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash both had fairly notable G3 incarnations (as well as Cheerilee, Scootaloo, and Sweetie Belle), after all, and Applejack has been around since G1. G5 might have their personalities be wildly different, of course, though it's entirely possible that they were so iconic in FiM that they'll mostly be the same in G5 too.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:30 am

Yeah, these particular six mesh in such a complete way that throwing away their personalities just because you need a new "generation" doesn't make any sense at all.

We might be seeing the end of "generations" of Pony as we know it. The animation/art style might change in the future, but the characters themselves are probably a requirement from here on out.

It might just be that the entire setting of Equestria is what's retained- you could do a whole new "generation" by setting a show in that brief time before Luna was banished, and have an adventurey-type show where a new (old) group of ponies learn the magic of friendship by battling Nightmare Moon's minion-of-the-week, for example.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:29 am

ponygals wrote:I don't get why all of you keep thinking the show will fail or the movie will end it all, I thought all of the fan base loved the show and the series is very popular right now why would you want it to end?


Because it's better to prepare for the worst early, rather than live in a dreamworld where the show will continue forever without ever declining in quality.

I love the show, and if the stars align and it manages to continue without becoming creatively bankrupt I'd love for it to last a bunch more seasons after the movie. Realistically though, it won't be much of a surprise if it doesn't.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:16 am

Wylie wrote:It might just be that the entire setting of Equestria is what's retained- you could do a whole new "generation" by setting a show in that brief time before Luna was banished, and have an adventurey-type show where a new (old) group of ponies learn the magic of friendship by battling Nightmare Moon's minion-of-the-week, for example.

I think if they end G4, they're going to want a clean break to allow everything to start fresh and cast off fan expectations. Transformers might be the best way to guess how Hasbro will react. Maybe they shut the existing show down and move on to something completely new, like the transition from G1/G2 to Beast Wars.

On the other hand, modern Transformers has moved to a more comic book-like model, where the main characters are classics who can be recycled in different settings --- RiD, Armada, Animated, Prime, etc.

I'm just having a hard time imagining "Twilight Sparkle" as the sort of evergreen character who could work in different contexts. The characters are so heavily tied to their emotional journey through this series that I'd rather see them create a new main cast (or at least shuffle them a bit) when they move on.

But I really like the fact that this show is an actual fantasy, which is so hard to find in kids' cartoons these days. If they can come up with a different way to do a fantasy show, I'd totally be down for a "one hundred years later..."
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 am

I'd be cool with a sequel show taking place in the not too distant future (next Sunday A.D). They could do a lot of world building with that premise.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:50 am

How much are y'all betting that the movie will begin with the tale of Celestia and Luna, or more specifically: Luna's downfall/transformation? :smirk:

It's probably gonna fade in to the castle and then we'll have that scene when Luna turns evil in front of Celestia but because the budget is higher this time, it'll be 10X more 'epic'. More explosions, more shaky cam, more lens flares, and Hans Zimmer WUUUUB music up the WUB-zoo
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But yeah, I think that's how the movie will start, this scene serving as the cold opening prior to the MLP theme. That or, it'll be that book exposition scene from FiM part one... just with more budget.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:55 am

That would be awesome to see on the big screen. Can't imagine how awesome that sequence would look. :allears:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:42 pm

The movie will start with Rainbow Dash in the movie theater, yelling at everyone on how they spent money on something they can get for free on television

:rainbert: If you ask me, everypony here are a bunch of losers

:shutup: ESPECIALLY YOU (points hoof to camera)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:48 pm

Nah, I think Applejack would be the one to gripe when it comes to matters of practicality and frugality like that. Rainbow Dash is nerdy enough to where she'd get upset over whatever little bits of the movie would be inevitably cut for television runtime.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:50 pm

Maybe the ending can have Pinkie riffing on the credits like MST3K The Movie.

:-P Animation director? There wasn't any animation in this movie!
:amazing: Eastman! He came from the east to do battle with...THE AMAZING RANDO!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:36 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Maybe the ending can have Pinkie riffing on the credits like MST3K The Movie.

:-P Animation director? There wasn't any animation in this movie!
:amazing: Eastman! He came from the east to do battle with...THE AMAZING RANDO!


:v: these are the ponies that sit in basements and figure out ways to make elves disappear.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:47 pm

:-D While we're thanking people, I'd like to thank a guy named Earl!
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:54 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Whenever the next generation of MLP begins, I do think all of the Mane Six will survive, at least with their names and general appearances intact. It's not like this hasn't already happened; Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash both had fairly notable G3 incarnations (as well as Cheerilee, Scootaloo, and Sweetie Belle), after all, and Applejack has been around since G1. G5 might have their personalities be wildly different, of course, though it's entirely possible that they were so iconic in FiM that they'll mostly be the same in G5 too.


Spike has also been prominent since G1, he's practically guaranteed to return in G5.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:09 am

Oh yeah, I think that Spike will always be a part of the franchise no matter what.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:21 pm

Bakertoons wrote:The movie will start with Rainbow Dash in the movie theater, yelling at everyone on how they spent money on something they can get for free on television

:rainbert: If you ask me, everypony here are a bunch of losers

:shutup: ESPECIALLY YOU (points hoof to camera)


:amazing: did you hear that? Somebody in the back row just dropped their drink, and now it's flowing to the front in a river of sticky syrupy goodness! Watch your feet, people!

:gonkity: Somebody snuck chinese in! I can smell it!

:-/ Spike, if you need to use the bathroom, go now.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:30 pm

So I just mentioned this in another thread, but Mike "@mktoon" Vogel is leaving his former post at Hasbro Studios so that he can focus on this movie instead. If Hasbro is dedicating someone like him solely to this then the movie is definitely some serious shit for them.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:52 pm

This is going to be amazing, that's for sure. Oh, how I wish time travel existed so I could see how awesome this movie will be.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:58 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:So I just mentioned this in another thread, but Mike "@mktoon" Vogel is leaving his former post at Hasbro Studios so that he can focus on this movie instead. If Hasbro is dedicating someone like him solely to this then the movie is definitely some serious shit for them.


I think this goes to show that this movie will take place of a season, if people like this are focusing on the film more instead.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:36 pm

Mike was more of a executive role, overseeing things, rather than being part of the creative process. They've basically said on Twitter that the show's development will continue without him being a part of it.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:46 am

Where did they say that?
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:06 am

Mike told me specifically after he stepping down from his VP position, he'd only be involved with the movie and not the show.
https://twitter.com/mktoon/status/543634163836805120

And then there's Jim saying that they're losing Mike from the TV series.
https://twitter.com/TheBiggestJim/statu ... 9855151105

This does not sound like they'll be putting production on hold while he works on the movie. They are saying he is leaving the show's production, meaning there's production that will continue on without him.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:35 am

But it also doesn't mean that there won't be production directly close to the movie, as this production could easily just refer to Season 5. I'm still convinced there won't be a season during the movie.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:36 am

Okay, are you saying that they won't be producing a season at the same time as the movie? Or that the movie won't be shown during the time a season is running, like the Equestria Girls movies?
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:03 am

Marimo wrote:Okay, are you saying that they won't be producing a season at the same time as the movie? Or that the movie won't be shown during the time a season is running, like the Equestria Girls movies?


The latter.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:15 am

I personally think the movie will correlate with the end of a season and will probably be the finale.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:18 am

I just thought of something that could blow your mind! What if the movie isn't the end but a new beginning? :starity:

Think about it, seven years after a cartoon aired to release it's tie-in movie is a rather long time. Most of the intended target audience would be well in their teens and grown out of the pony phase. Then who is the movie intended for? Seven years would be a prefect time for the next wave of eight year old girls to get hooked on ponies...

It is not the series finally, it's a soft reboot!!!!~ :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:33 pm

Well, it'd be the finale of the series as we know it...but that certainly makes sense.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:16 pm

Sobana wrote:I just thought of something that could blow your mind! What if the movie isn't the end but a new beginning? :starity:

Think about it, seven years after a cartoon aired to release it's tie-in movie is a rather long time. Most of the intended target audience would be well in their teens and grown out of the pony phase. Then who is the movie intended for? Seven years would be a prefect time for the next wave of eight year old girls to get hooked on ponies...

It is not the series finally, it's a soft reboot!!!!~ :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm: :sweetielarm:

Why can't it be both? If it were the end of FiM, the end of the Mane Six and their adventures, couldn't Hasbro start the show for generation 5 afterwards?
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:58 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Why can't it be both? If it were the end of FiM, the end of the Mane Six and their adventures, couldn't Hasbro start the show for generation 5 afterwards?

Nah, they are going to reboot the entire thing yet keep everything the way it was in the same manner as they did with the end of X-Men: Days of Future Past. The toy brand shall live forever! On the plus side Twilight gets her tree library back. :party:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:29 pm

:-I Okay everypony, time to reboot the show!

:bluh: Ah'm holdin' in the power button...

:vogue: Please note that rebooting can take up to one minute. Do not touch the show while rebooting is in progress.

:ponder: But...it's still the same.

:-/ Okay...we'll have to unplug it for 30 seconds.

:rainbert: And if that dosen't work?

:twiright: We'll book an appointment with Lauren.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:58 pm

Sobana wrote:Nah, they are going to reboot the entire thing yet keep everything the way it was in the same manner as they did with the end of X-Men: Days of Future Past. The toy brand shall live forever! On the plus side Twilight gets her tree library back. :party:


Eh...that'd make all of the changes, evolution and character growth seem a bit pointless in the end. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:50 pm

Sobana wrote:Nah, they are going to reboot the entire thing yet keep everything the way it was in the same manner as they did with the end of X-Men: Days of Future Past. The toy brand shall live forever! On the plus side Twilight gets her tree library back. :party:


You do realize My Little Pony has been around since the 80s, right? Of course they'll stay around, but at some point they're going to move on to Generation 5. And chances are, this is the point where they're going to switch over, because it'll be the best chance to start over.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:31 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
You do realize My Little Pony has been around since the 80s, right? Of course they'll stay around, but at some point they're going to move on to Generation 5. And chances are, this is the point where they're going to switch over, because it'll be the best chance to start over.

My little Pony: Friendship is Magic 2: The Refriendshipping. :party:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:00 am

Keep in mind, it might not be FiM at all after the movie. They might start an entire new series with different characters and settings... :pinkieshrug:
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:24 am

In previous generations (toys and/or show), what were the typical historical reasons for making such a change? Are we seeing a similar situation happen at present? This generation did not start off typically, and hasn't progressed typically; I wouldn't be surprised if its ending was a departure from history as well.
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Postby Doctor Zoidberg, Homeowner (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:42 am

Usually, toy lines get about 18 months to 2 years before a big refresh. FiM has kind of followed that, in that there have been new themes every year (Crystal Empire, Rainbow Power, other stuff I don't know/can't remember). Wrt cartoons related to toy lines, you might get 52 to 65 episodes before they stop and reboot or continue in a new series. This is because they aim to get a new group of kids interested as the previous group ages out/loses interest.

I guess the most radical examples I can think of offhand are from the 1980s. Hasbro planned to kill off a bunch of characters in their Transformers and GI Joe movies to make room for new toys. The backlash from Optimus Prime's death (lots of upset kids and parents) modified their approach with the Joe movie, so Duke was injured and kept offscreen instead of killed. I don't know how the first MLP movie was handled, because I've never seen it :v: But the original plan with Transformers was a huge time skip between season 2 and the movie, so having a new cast to sell for season 3 had an in universe explanation.

1980s cartoons being long toy commercials meant that new characters were showing up all the time before the movies anyway, like Cadance and Shining Armor did in FiM.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:56 am

IIRC, the entire reason for the Smooze destroying the ponies' homes in the G1 movie was to sell playsets of their new homes. Flash forward to 2014, and they couldn't be bothered making playsets of Golden Oaks Library, it remains to be seen if they'll make one of its replacement. :v:

I think, going forward, the FIM characters will be like Optimus Prime is to Transformers. Maybe they'll only exist as legends, maybe new incarnations of them will serve as the main characters.
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Postby Sobana (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:59 am

G1 had way more adventure then G4. But the problem with G1 is that no one stood around for every long. They had a rotating mane cast of like a 14 ponies. Trying to remember who was who was hard in the first half of the series because everyone had the same personality. But they had way more adventure and danger.

G1.5 had a moderate setting for the time. no dragons or wizards just school and boy problems. It was like an early 90s show but with ponies.

G3 killed off all sense of conflict and danger. Most episodes revolved around having parties.

G4 I'm sure you're familiar with.
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:48 am

I don't know the toy side of G4 well, apart from them periodically putting out new sets and stuff; are these sets gaining traction in their market each time? If they're able to continue this and keep up sales, there wouldn't be as much of a reason to reboot for marketshare purposes.

Also the point about age groups feels pretty important. By the time the movie releases, the first season will be 7 years old. That it may now be too old for the kids at that time is irrelevant because there are always new young kids every year. However, these new young kids might have a different set of preferences. New generations' interests may have shifted away. It probably does help the show that, on its release, it was rather fresh and progressive-feeling as a children's show. If FiM never happened when it did, and we're only seeing it premiere today, it would mostly still feel current and fresh, possible technical clunkiness of Flash excepted. But that would be to us non-kids. Anyone know anyone who will be in the FiM age bracket in 2017? Do you think they'd take to ponies as easily as someone their age might have in 2010? Also consider that the availability of alternative shows and entertainment will be different in 2017 than in 2010.
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