S04E14: Filli Vanilli

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Re: S04E14: Filli Vanilli

Postby doodlesplat (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:42 am

When Zecora takes poison joke, she speaks normally. :-I
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:43 am

Ransom wrote:Rarity: Hmm, maybe if she needs material for a sweater?


But she could just go to the store for that, and of all ponies I don't think the one with the ability to find gems easily is going broke any time soon. So that as well is useless. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:46 am

doodlesplat wrote:When Zecora takes poison joke, she speaks normally. :-I


:ponder: Or maybe she's just never bothered to take the antidote...
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:48 am

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:ponder: Or maybe she's just never bothered to take the antidote...


Or maybe she was trying to make the antidote for herself in the first episode we saw her, then after ruining the first brew, the Mane 6 just kind of took the second brew. And stole the recipe for themselves. :-I
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:09 am

She lives near Poison Joke, maybe her work takes her in proximity to it so often that she just deals with it rather than make a new bath brew every day.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:10 am

drunkill wrote:I'm looking for two or three people to join us in this weeks Round Table discussion for the episode.

A few people have it already so I don't want it to get too long or crowded. Anyone interested?

e: The Doctor & ShieldedDiamond take two places

Oh right. I did want to get in on this.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:15 am

Poison Joke makes Zecora have to constantly rhyme.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:14 am

Simple. Cute. Happy.

:yay: A good Fluttershy Episode (tm)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:21 am

Master_Twig wrote:Poison Joke makes Zecora have to constantly rhyme.


I'd like to see this, just to see how she speaks without rhyming.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:33 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Most of them are useless, but maybe Applejack being tiny will be useful someday. :ponder:


:twonk: Oh crappos, I lost a contact lens down my bathroom sink!
:squintyjack: Well, it's as good as lost. You'll never get it back.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:58 am

Must be a big sink, given their giant pony eyes. At least Appleteeny wouldn't have many problems finding it :-I
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:01 am

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:
:twonk: Oh crappos, I lost a contact lens down my bathroom sink!
:squintyjack: Well, it's as good as lost. You'll never get it back.


:whine: Oh, it's getting so difficult to thread this tiny needle, if only there was some pony who could shrink down and easily thread these-
:notthisshitagain: Y'all need to stop asking me to do this stuff, I ain't exposing myself to no poison joke again.
:ohrarity: Fine. Be like that.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:11 pm

PictishBeast wrote:Interesting that poison joke's effects aren't random, they're uniquely tailored to individual ponies and once you find out what they are, they're repeatable.


It should have given her a really high pitched voice as a joke, but that wouldn't have made for such a good episode :v:
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Postby Frith (?) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:28 am

I watched the episode again and I like it now much more than last Saturday. Pinkie was still annoying as hell but she didn't annoy me as much as last Saturday. Otherwise the episode was pure gold. The story was really realistic and the moral was really good. The songs were also good.

Fluttershy's fear of doing something in front of public is the problem I can really relate to, because I also suffer from the stage fright. It's always really positive thing when the writers can create situations I can relate to.

As for the other characters, I liked how Rarity was portrayed in this episode. Her interactions with Fluttershy were lovely. But on the other hand, Pinkie was really irritating. The way how she talked to Fluttershy, even though Fluttershy was clearly distressed, was dreadful. She was almost as bad as in A Friend In Deed, which by the way was also AKR's episode. Other characters were fine; I don't have much opinions about them.

So, even though there was one quite a big flaw in the episode (Pinkie), the episode was really good; one of the best Fluttershy episodes and one of the best episodes in S4.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:53 am

Grim wrote:Fluttershy for mayor! :yay:


Amusingly enough, this means Mayor Mare's mane looks the same before or after the dye job to the colorblind. Educational.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:12 am

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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:58 pm

Big Mac never lost his voice, the one who did was his lip syncher. All 4 of the Ponytones are doing the same voiceover trick. It should have been obvious, really:

If you listen carefully
On every corner there's a rhythm playing


Four corners. Four ponytones :twiright:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:30 pm

Anyone else kind of wish they had gone full a Capella with the music?
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:40 pm

Foxfyre wrote:...But Pinkie's 'you sound like a dude' comment means I'll probably never watch/listen to this episode again :fluttersmith: A lot of Pinkie's behavior seemed kinda bad, but for me that just went too far.

londonarbuckle wrote:I'll admit, I didn't like that either. I was pretty disappointed that they went there. :/

Yeah, as soon as I heard that line, I worried about how it might come off to trans members of the audience. :fluttersmith:

Headless Horse wrote:The more I think about this the more it cracks me up. Somewhere in town there's a pony who has a deer as a pet. :gotcha:

At least one pony. Looking at that cloud of dust, there seems to be a doe in there too.

Ransom wrote:Hope Twilight doesn't start to ponder what useful jokes the plant could play on other ponies.

Applebloom becomes Appleboom, and explodes whenever anypony within earshot says "Apple", then instantly reforms. :gah:
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:06 pm

Headless Horse wrote:The more I think about this the more it cracks me up. Somewhere in town there's a pony who has a deer as a pet. :gotcha:


The deer's all, "Um, I really should be getting home now. My wife and kids are probably starting to get worried."

:ohboy: "D'aww! He thinks he's people!"
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Postby drunkill (?) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:06 pm

The (delayed due to server upgrades) roundtable for this episode is up:
http://www.roundstable.com/2014/02/22/t ... li-review/
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:10 pm

I do appreciate a good pun, but this is such a feelsy episode that I kind of wish they'd gone with another title. "Filli Vanilli" makes it sound like a gimmick episode and I think that undersells it.

WandereringPony wrote:Amusingly enough, this means Mayor Mare's mane looks the same before or after the dye job to the colorblind. Educational.


Can confirm, I had to engage in online forensics in order to reconstruct with text what everybody else got from the visual. The same thing happened the other day with the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer. One site said that it took two hours to apply Zoe Saldana's makeup, so after squinting to look for weird prosthetics I figured it might be a color thing, then I had to visit a surprising number of Marvel fan sites before I finally found a printed reference that Gamora is supposed to be green. You people need to document this shit :applejargh:

drunkill wrote:The (delayed due to server upgrades) roundtable for this episode is up:
"Put on your matching cardigans..."


THOSE AREN'T CARDIGANS THOSE ARE V-NECKS :twonk:
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Postby Tears (?) » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:06 am

Lovely work all, and all the excuse I need to watch it again tonight :wink:
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Postby Grue (?) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:08 pm

I really liked the song(s) in this episode, they were best songs since like... season 2? Catchy and nice harmonies. Good job, Daniel.

Pinkie was bad though, and this is coming from someone who likes A Friend In Deed and AKR's Pinkie in general.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:23 am

I've watched this a couple more times since it aired and can confirm it's one of my favorite episodes, like ever. And there's one bit in particular, in the music, that I have to call out.

When I'm watching the ep and they sing this verse:

If you listen carefully
On every corner there's a rhythm playing
Then it happens suddenly
The music takes you over and you


And as God is my witness I can't help but come in on the "FIIIIIIIND."

It's like playing Shave and a Haircut for Roger Rabbit, or like when the guitars kick in on Bohemian Rhapsody.

(Okay I don't actually sing anything, or vocalize in any way, but I do silently mouth the word, except for when I just do a sharp head bob instead. Still, that's very demonstrative for me.) :modesty:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:13 am

I'll probably write the thoughts shorter than before because- well, the discussion pretty much is over and some of the episodes I've seen still have problems with pacing and etc. so I'll likely cut down on the Film Making 101 stuff
:-I (...unless it's worse than it frequently is then I may talk about it)

So...

Someone's been egging me on Filli Vanilli some time ago and how it was an amazing episode for him but I saw through his lies and knew it was because of his Fluttershy bias. A character who's by far not my favorite character on the show
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But goddammit she just has so many great inspiring episodes :flutterunsmith:

So what did I think about the episode?

I liked it. At least, I liked it fine.

I really liked how Fluttershy was giddy about the whole event. Sure, Fluttershy's been giddy before over baby dragons, Parasprites, Phoenixes, and more in the past but an event that comprises of Ponies and her being giddy throughout most of the episode? I can't really think of one, especially the latter since most of the giddy moments with her are infrequent, maybe just for one small scene then we never see it again. I found Fluttershy dancing and reacting to the music really d'awwww-ing. Again like Rainbow Dash in Daring Don't, it's really heartwarming to see how invested the characters are into something, even if you the viewer may not be as invested into the object or subject (i.e. you being invested in Daring Don't the same way RD is to her)

Which brings me to the mixed bag part...

The song is kinda like the song in Pinkie Apple Pie. For the most part it's good... until the end and then everything goes horribly wrong. Thankfully unlike PAP, it didn't have Granny breaking the entire song but rather I just don't like how the song just ends abruptly. I'm no music or song guy so I don't have the right terms for what I'm trying to say but it would have been nice if the very end of the song ended more... beautifully(?). Like, it just ends with no drama or weight. It just... ends. But again, not as bad as PAP and the song in general is good. It kinda balances out to an okay song. Might have been good or even great if the ending have more longer finality to it than just a sudden end.

Onto the bad... Well, there's Pinkie Pie screaming her head off :rant: thus reminding me the glaring difference between S1 Pinkie and later-Pinkie. I found all the critters and related scenes to be whimsically-distracting (i'm sorry, maybe it was because of that Animal Planet doc on that baby elephant and the sheep being best of buds and the narrator making me sick with all her whimsy way of narration still bugging me).

Other things... I liked FlutterGuy (even though the same VA, Blu Mankuma was replaced by Alvin Sanders), I like the production values in this episode (had some creative and fun camera angles), Big Mac actually feels used for once, and I really didn't have an issue with the episode's structure, flow, or pacing.

Overall, I liked the episode. It wasn't as satisfyingly rewarding as Hurricane Fluttershy or some other Fluttershy episode (granted, Filli Vanilli also is better overall than some episodes like KCaFO) and the notorious loud annoying Pinkie moments really annoyed me but I found the song uplifting and Fluttershy's conflict and resolution to be very awfully cute but also awfully inspiring.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:06 pm

It's funny, I was bothered by LoF's song ended abruptly, but here it works perfectly since Fluts' character progression leads up to this exact moment.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:28 pm

Wayoshi wrote:It's funny, I was bothered by LoF's song ended abruptly, but here it works perfectly since Fluts' character progression leads up to this exact moment.


[Re-reads my post]

Wow.... I sure didn't proofread it :facehoof: (sentences that start but are left unfinished, some confusing sentences, and OUTDATED facts like me having to watch LoF.)

Well, I barely wrote anything extensive for 7 weeks (about two months) so there's my excuse
:v: (or maybe I was too lazy/tired when I went back to finishing this after I left it hanging since Tuesday)

But onto your point:

Care to explain more? I don't really get the "Fluts' progression leads up to the exact moment". What I mean by the song's abrupt end isn't that it's too short but rather I just don't like how the very last notes, "the music in you!" doesn't have any oomph or weight. Like I wish it went for something like: "the music innnnnn.... youuuuuuuuuuuuu...". Something dramatic and lasting than what they have now.

I dunno, i'm interested to see your explanation :allears:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:32 pm

I thought you were talking about Fluts being revealed and the song stopping then. My mistake.

You think the lyrics are too abrupt? It's not supposed to be a grandiose thing, that seems like nitpicking. The whole song is about the nature of music in people/ponies, so that's a fine end to them.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:42 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I thought you were talking about Fluts being revealed and the song stopping then. My mistake.

You think the lyrics are too abrupt? It's not supposed to be a grandiose thing, that seems like nitpicking. The whole song is about the nature of music in people/ponies, so that's a fine end to them.


I don't exactly agree.... but at least I found the song okay/fine. At least it didn't turn out horrible because of the ending :v: (like in PAP)

But that's just my personal preference. I like music that ends on a high note that's memorable and endearing rather than feels abrupt unless it's a grandiose orchestral piece. Maybe this abrupt ending is a common thing with these type of songs similar to the one in Filli Vanilli
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:21 pm

You know, I just rewatched this and as it turns out, Flutterguy isn't even the strangest voice in this performance.
The real strange one is Rarity. :wat:

Take a look at her mouth movements, she's clearly the really highpitched female voice mixed in there, but she sounds absolutely nothing like she ever has in any other songs.

like the Matrix, but with raccoons instead of computers...
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:47 am

Episode status: still amazing :yay:
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Postby ThunderBunny (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:14 pm

I just rewatched this one for the first time, and I have to say that it might be my favorite episode in all of season four. A focus split between Fluttershy and Rarity is always good news to me, the music was adorably catchy, there were lots of animals, and the episode was just packed front-to-back with endorphin triggers.

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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 5:50 am

I marathoned through season 4 before the finale, and yeah this is still my favorite :allears:
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:01 pm

Next up on my rewatch...

Ohboyohboyohboy! :awesomedash: :awesomedash:

This episode is one of my favourite and it just radiates joy, despite some of the ordeals Fluttershy goes through. I love, love the fact that the moral isn't some simple "faking is bad" or "don't push your friends to do things they don't want" but is instead wonderfully nuanced and positive; "baby steps," because real self improvement is always a slow process. Filli Vanilli really shows just how far Fluttershy has come since season 1. :modesty:

It's funny, because the first time around I pacing issues where they are none; the whole montage of events is vital to show Fluttershy warming to the role.

And about Pinkie: she owns. Like, laugh out loud hilarious imo. :pinkieshrug:

Oh, and I can't forget to mention the song(s) which just makes me transcendentally happy for some reason. :yay:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 11, 2014 11:34 pm

I also haven't been rewatching anything in the back half of this season, so I'm looking forward to curling up with them again sometime soon. But in the meantime, even though I've only seen it the once, I still have that freaking song stuck in my head this many weeks later. :-P


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Postby Dexanth (?) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:18 am

Welcome to Week Thirty-Six of Let's Re-Watch, where a random episode from the pony pantheon is chosen to be the episode of the week!

The basics :
1. Threads will go up on Thursdays! Re-watch day is Saturday. This is the new cookie as of week 32 times five. You can obviously join in sooner or later, but the first two days are more for reminiscing, while Saturday-Wednesday is for fresh eyes! Sometimes I put this up early on Friday cause it's still Thursday as far as I'm concerned.
2. Each week is a random episode. All episodes are now fair game, except repeats!
3. This is fun, and totally random - I literally roll the episode moments before making the thread. Two-parters are combined so technically have a double chance of being chosen but hey! More fun!
4. :dwi:

In this episode, Fluttershy utilizes dark magic to make Big Mac lose his for her nefarious plans

Week Thirty-Six is

Filli Vanilli!

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Filli Vanilli is the fourteenth episode of the fourth season of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic and the seventy-ninth episode overall. When a member of the Pony Tones loses his voice before a performance, Fluttershy disguises her voice to fill in for him due to her stage fright.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:32 am

Nice episode, this one. A few questionable bits hold it back a little for me, but I really enjoyed the way they started Fluttershy on the road to self-improvement here.

As for the questionable bits, from my rewatch notes:

In which everypony shows up unannounced at Fluttershy's cottage and then promptly forgets her single most defining character trait. It's in her name for christ's sake. You can't seriously be surprised that the one character known for her crippling shyness and performance anxiety isn't keen to suddenly join a vocal group?

Also in which Pinkie Pie is suddenly a raving maniac who nearly causes Fluttershy to have a nervous breakdown on about three separate occasions. I realise Pinkie can be a little unpredictable, but this is the same character who was shocked and aghast when Rainbow Dash suggested playing a harmless prank on Fluttershy back in Season 1. She's super-funny here though, so I'm giving her a pass. You got lucky, Pinkie.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:00 am

Definitely in the running for one of my favorite episodes of the series (and not just the season). Callbacks, character growth, and a fairly nuanced take on Fluttershy's fears (Rarity is understanding throughout, and at the end while Fluttershy has progressed a bit she doesn't instantly get over everything.)

I know a lot of people dislike Pinkie in this episode, and I can understand why, but I guess I'm quick to forgive when a character has to be written a certain way to drive the story. It was important that kids be able to get just what Fluttershy was afraid of, and Pinkie drove that home well. Even Fluttershy filled that same role when Rainbow was nervous about the Young Fliers competition :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:15 am

I'm a Big Mac fan, so I always like to see him get to do more than just go "Eeyup" and "Nope." And he does have a good singing voice (and Fluttershy made a good stand in.) I also enjoyed AJ's rapid fire questioning of Mac scene. A good episode overall. :eeyup: :allears:
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