S04E13: Simple Ways

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Re: S04E13: Simple Ways

Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:03 pm

Octavia wrote:I LOVE BEIN COVERED IN MUD! :whine:

Tabitha delivered, as expected. :vogue:


Funny how Rarity has resolved two of her conflicts by covering herself in mud now. :smirk:
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:07 pm

KEEP CALM AND COVER YOURSELF IN MUD :vogue:

Rarity will make a line of trendy t shirts that say this
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:08 pm

Rarity: Organizing the Ponyville Day celebration was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I learned an important lesson. Real friends will like you for who you are, and changing yourself to impress them is no way to make new ones. And, when you're as fabulous as I am, it's practically a crime!


... Practically a crime to what? To change yourself? :psygum: That's a bit of a vain note to end the episode on.
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:08 pm

Rarity's attraction to Blueblood wasn't just all based upon the character either, I took it that she was just romanticizing the idea of marrying a prince and becoming a princess, not really thinking about Blueblood himself but rather royalty. Expecting to outright marry a prince =/= expecting a travel writer to take interest in you.

On that note, this episode was good. Voice acting was WOW and the last act was hilarious (mosting because of the voice acting). However, it's probably still on the lower end of my episode ranking so far this season because nothing really jumped out at me aside from the great performances from Ashleigh and Tabitha. I really don't feel like rewatching it again, and the plotting was kind of boring besides the ending.

I do like Trenderhoof though, mostly because he wasn't a douche, which surprised me. Also, I kind of found his fixation with Applejack kind of...well...adorable. :awkward: No, not in the "I ship it" way, but the way that he just assumes that all she cares about is apples.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:11 pm

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... Practically a crime to what? To change yourself? :psygum: That's a bit of a vain note to end the episode on.


She's saying it's bad to change yourself, especially when yourself is awesome as Rarity :vogue:

But yeah vanity has kind of been a personality flaw Rarity's had since the beginning
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:17 pm

It's bad to change yourself to impress others. If a change is the result of learning and self-discovery, that's good, but not if it's the result of "they like whatever, so I'm going to force myself to like it too even though I currently can't stand it".
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:18 pm

And Rarity is a bit vain, but we like her that way. :vogue:

The Doctor wrote:You make one ugly duckface, AJ...

Still, I applaud the animators on making new duckfaces every time they pull this gag. They could easily re-use the same duckface for each one, but nope - Rarity, Pinkie, and now AJ have all made different ones! And really, I'd have to say Pinkie's is the worst - sorry Davyinatoga... :-P
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:18 pm

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... Practically a crime to what? To change yourself? :psygum: That's a bit of a vain note to end the episode on.

It's a vain note because Rarity is a vain person. If something like this ever comes up again in the future, perhaps she can learn that there's a balance to be struck between being yourself and being vain and stuck-up.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:28 pm

Rarietty wrote:Rarity's attraction to Blueblood wasn't just all based upon the character either, I took it that she was just romanticizing the idea of marrying a prince and becoming a princess, not really thinking about Blueblood himself but rather royalty. Expecting to outright marry a prince =/= expecting a travel writer to take interest in you.

On that note, this episode was good. Voice acting was WOW and the last act was hilarious (mosting because of the voice acting). However, it's probably still on the lower end of my episode ranking so far this season because nothing really jumped out at me aside from the great performances from Ashleigh and Tabitha. I really don't feel like rewatching it again, and the plotting was kind of boring besides the ending.

I do like Trenderhoof though, mostly because he wasn't a douche, which surprised me. Also, I kind of found his fixation with Applejack kind of...well...adorable. :awkward: No, not in the "I ship it" way, but the way that he just assumes that all she cares about is apples.


Other big difference between Blueblood was that Blueblood was a total jerk, where Trenderhoof was exactly as advertised except he wasn't interested in her.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:29 pm

Ho, boy. Two episodes in a season with Rarity featured prominently? What is this madness?

Rarity takes Manehattan would be a tough act to follow, and this episode does not attempt it. Instead, we are treated to the most cringe-worthy Rarity, we have ever seen. It is high comedy, playing off standard tropes, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I usually do not like cringe humor—it just doesn't do anything for me, and I'm sure that there are a whole bunch of scenes in this episode that others found funnier than me. What saves those scenes for me is Tabitha St. Germain, who once again demonstrates what a tremendous VA she is (by far my favorite VA of our generation). She has excellent range and superb comedic timing, and she showcases both in this episode.

As for Rarity. You'd think that the mare would learn… but as Orange Fluffy Sheep pointed out above, Rarity is a romantic. I have always held that she has next to no experience in actual romance (as opposed to what you'll see stated rather often elsewhere)—her dithering upon seeing Prince Blueblood in Best Night Ever is proof enough of that—this is no experienced seductress. Her notions of romance is based more on novels rather than anything else. Not changing who you are is pretty much Romance 101, but she doesn't have the experience to know that. Add to this her passionate nature (this lady does not do anything by half measures. Not her gestures, not her dresses, and not her feelings), and we are set for drama. Of course, she goes all in, it's who she is. (That said, the shrine was probably overdoing it, but I recognize a comedic prop when I see it).

Is this a Rarity Snaps episode? I believe it is. Those are actually true rarities. Rarity may wail and flail, or perhaps unleash her fearsome temper, but she rarely goes crazy (as in Party of One or Lesson Zero crazy). Her propensity for emotional outbursts acts as her safety valve—she nearly always lets off steam before she explodes. Only when she is well and truly overwhelmed does she snap. Until this episode, I consider only Sonic Rainboom as a Crazy Rarity episode, because the fabulosity of those wings snapped her mind like a brittle twig. So too, it would appear, does the appearance of Trenderhoof, though she of course herself had been stoking that boiler for some time.

So, Rarity rejects Reality and substitutes her own (well, it works for Adam Savage…), trying harder and harder to bend herself to conform to How It Ought To Be. That rarely works, and certainly doesn't here—the strain on her (true nature) increases until Applejack and a healthy dose of mud finally snaps her out of it.

Pacing wise, I think I would have liked to see 30 seconds less Country Crazy Rarity, if that 30 seconds could have been added to the ending. We could have the reconfirmation of the great friendship between Applejack and Rarity extended upon. We could have seen Rarity go full Super Saiyan to make up for lost time (because evidently she managed to realize her vision JIT), and that is something I still hope to see someday. As it stands, those things are implied.

Applejack and Rarity continue to work well together. They were the first great comedic duo of the Mane Six in Look Before You Sleep, and they carry on in this episode. I look forward to an episode where Rarity helps Applejack realize something. Mud need not be involved.

All in all, an enjoyable enough episode. Just as The Straight Story was told straight, Simple Ways does not try to be especially clever, and while this particular type of comedy is not exactly my cup of tea, Tabitha St. Germain carries the day.

As for Rarity being vain? Fiddlesticks! She just happens to have a keen and precise understanding of her own appearance. She is beholden to beauty, so she can hardly be blamed if mirrors are a distraction for her :vogue:
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:30 pm

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You make one ugly duckface, AJ...


This and Rarity's idea of plowing the field had me in stitches. I also liked Applejack's grumbling about Rarity and Trend's sudden interest in agriculture, and I really enjoyed Spike's attitude towards Rarity. He was in an almost WWU-esque role as Rarity's assistant, and while he didn't quite reach that level of snarkiness he was still a voice of reason instead of a pathetic doormat. Emotional maturity or silent acceptance of his serfdom? :shepspike:

That said, despite having some of the funniest moments of the season, this episode didn't feel like a cohesive whole the way both Pinkie episodes did. I'll need to watch it again to make sure, but what Haber said about the story cuts was kind of apparent. They could have tightened up the pre-Trend sequence even if they had to use (much as I hate it) the old "I can't believe ____ is _____!" standby to set it up more quickly. Also, I do agree a bit with the comment Wayoshi posted - while it's true that this is only the second time Rarity has pined for a specific love interest, it was a bit too similar to the Blueblood debacle. And as amazing as Rarity's breakdowns are, today's was a bit too similar to the one in Manehattan. You don't need the breakdown to make a good Rarisode, just look at the ones in Season 2.

Finally, there was just something about Trenderhoof that felt off to me. I guess I expected him to be a bit more rational and Rarity to be the only crazy one in this episode... but on the other hand, if he hadn't been the way he was, AJ's role would have been much more boring as well.
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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:32 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I don't think any of these differences really changes how she acts at the start. :pinkieshrug: And after S1, shouldn't she have learned a little bit about faraway crushes?


I've been burned 4 times and still keep at it so, no, probably not. She may have lowered her sights from prince to travel writer, but snuffing out the belief in love at first sight and her tendency to admire from afar would take a hell of a lot more than one mean prince, and I suspect it'd have to take shaking her to her core. Rarity's fundamentally an idealistic pony, and being a hopeless romantic is just one expression of that. She's generous even after it betrays her based on a belief that doing good will earn good. She makes dresses on the idea that outer beauty should reflect inner beauty, which requires a belief in inner beauty in the first place. She's hopeful to a fault. Her most melodramatic breakdowns are based on believing hope is gone. She's willing to jump in a mud puddle out of the sheer hope it'd make Trenderhoof fall for her.

She's a romantic based on such hope, and we call it hopeless romanticism because it's idealized to a fault. And it'd take more than one bad time to break that hope.

I admit the opinion is probably too nostalgia-based


It's nostalgia for a thing that never existed, based on extrapolating the ending of Best Night Ever to a conclusion that is supported by nothing except that it took them 79 episodes to get to a love triangle.

I mean Jesus Christ can't they try that once in a while? With how this season's going I'd trust this crew with Fluttershy becoming a Truther or something ludicrous like that.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:36 pm

Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:With how this season's going I'd trust this crew with Fluttershy becoming a Truther or something ludicrous like that.

Now you've done it. You know somebody has to write that now.
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Postby FightingDreamer (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:40 pm

Tabitha was amazing of course, but I feel like Ashleigh Ball isn't getting enough credit. She did a great job with AJ's slow-burn frustration, and then of course the face-off.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:42 pm

Anyways, mini-FFT. I really don't think there's a lot here, but there were some faces.

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Clown Day Festival doesn't sound good to me. Nor Astronomy Day Festival.

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Dioramas, dimmed lights, classical music. :vogue:

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:spike101: : Let me refer back to my notes...

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Image <-- that right-hand pony is grumpy...

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Let me sing you the praises of dear old Trenderhoof...

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Not that loud, Rarity!!

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I don't like your new tailhairstyle, Rarity. :v:

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Oh, now you dread it?

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:-/ : GET OUTTA MY SIGHT.

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So ignored, Rarity...

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You see, AJ has sweat. And apples.

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Yes, definitely apples.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:43 pm

Yeah kudos to Ashleigh for pulling off sophisticated better than Tabitha did country
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:44 pm

Star Platinum wrote:I really enjoyed Spike's attitude towards Rarity. He was in an almost WWU-esque role as Rarity's assistant, and while he didn't quite reach that level of snarkiness he was still a voice of reason instead of a pathetic doormat. Emotional maturity or silent acceptance of his serfdom? :shepspike:

I think it's a sign that he's grown up, at least a little. Post-SoME it seems like he mostly just thinks of her as a close friend, one with whom he knows a relationship just wouldn't work. Short of him developing actual feelings for another girl (not too likely, though an episode like this also didn't seem very likely a year or two ago) I think that's about as much explanation as we'll get.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:44 pm

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Drugs are bad, m'kay?
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Postby FightingDreamer (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:44 pm

Well, Rarity NOT being able to pull off country was the (hilarious) point.
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Postby reidransom (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:48 pm

That was a great episode. It had everything, Rarity, giggling schoolgirl Rarity, sad Rarity, clearly gone insane Rarity, all the possible things.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:49 pm

Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:It's nostalgia for a thing that never existed

I disagree, Rarity's S1 mini-arc is all about being too hasty in love. There's something there, it's nothing too bad and a minor discontinuity at worst but it's there.

Fizzbuzz wrote:It's a vain note because Rarity is a vain person.

OK, but not a great way to end an episode. (At this point I'm probably nitpicking, but this bothers me a lot, especially with the rose for no other reason)
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:49 pm

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I know she has been accused of being written as an air head, but that is ridiculous. :gotcha:
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:51 pm

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Oh, now you dread it?


:gonkity: "Good heavens, darling, when was the last time you washed your tail!? I'm fairly sure a unicorn horn is supposed to poke through the hair!"
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:55 pm

Second watch:
  • It's back to "Las Pegasus" again. Which one is it?! :gonkity:
  • The Friendship Express has hearts painted on the cowcatcher.
  • Without farm life, there'd be such disparity.
    These thoughts I think with great clarity!
    Apples high to the sky
    She's the one of my eye!
    That fruit-hauling pony named
    Applejack!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:56 pm

That moment surprisingly got me good for some strange reason. Ponies with each others hairstyles are still hilarious.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:57 pm

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Finally, there was just something about Trenderhoof that felt off to me. I guess I expected him to be a bit more rational and Rarity to be the only crazy one in this episode... but on the other hand, if he hadn't been the way he was, AJ's role would have been much more boring as well.


He was rational really up until he decks out in the overalls and wants to move to Ponyville. Until then he's just a lovestruck guy trying to get to know a girl he likes by trying to engage her in talk and activities that of of interest to her to try and better know her. Until the end he wasn't trying to change who he was, and I actually think the episode would have been better without the overalls gag and just had him wanting to move to Ponyville. City folk moving to the country to get away from it all isn't that uncommon.
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Postby MasterOfKnees (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:58 pm

A pretty good episode. Not one that's going to go down as one of the big ones, but still good fun. Reminds me of Secret of my Excess and Swarm of the Century in that regard, not exactly one that's going to be talked about as being among the show's peak, but there's really nothing wrong with it either.

On another note it feels pretty damn good to only be halfway through the season.
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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:03 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I disagree, Rarity's S1 mini-arc is all about being too hasty in love.


Yeah, that. You're making that up. She was invested in the fairy tale romance with Prince Charming, meets said prince, and finds out he's a gigantic asshat and goes after the idea of princeliness despite it until the breaking point. It's her pursuing an idea. You might say it's because she's idealistic. The flaw wasn't that she ran into trying to bag a prince, it's that she assumed he'd be Prince Charming instead of Prince Charmless and refused to accept it until hope was lost.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:04 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Without farm life, there'd be such disparity.
These thoughts I think with great clarity!
Apples high to the sky
She's the one of my eye!
That fruit-hauling pony named
Applejack!


^^In light of the lyricschat derail during last week's episode thread, this bit absolutely slayed me.

Episode was P-E-R-F-E-C-T.

will post more after watching it 100x, kthxbai
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:05 pm

MasterOfKnees wrote:On another note it feels pretty damn good to only be halfway through the season.


Quoted for Truth. Much pony still to come. And a season beyond this one, too. Good times, good times.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:06 pm

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He was rational really up until he decks out in the overalls and wants to move to Ponyville. Until then he's just a lovestruck guy trying to get to know a girl he likes by trying to engage her in talk and activities that of of interest to her to try and better know her. Until the end he wasn't trying to change who he was, and I actually think the episode would have been better without the overalls gag and just had him wanting to move to Ponyville. City folk moving to the country to get away from it all isn't that uncommon.


Yeah but when those kinds of people move out into the country they try to blend in with the culture, or what they perceive as the culture. Where I live it may not necessarily be overalls, but it is stuff like flannels and boots and country music and other "rustic" things
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:08 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:
  • It's back to "Las Pegasus" again. Which one is it?! :gonkity:

Las Pegasus seems to be the final and proper name for that city. We, and the first map, had originally misheard it as Los Pegasus.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:09 pm

Wow...I can't believe we're halfway through the season already. It's amazing to think that it's going so fast. But luckily, we have the rest of this and next season to look out for. :allears:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:09 pm

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Yeah but when those kinds of people move out into the country they try to blend in with the culture, or what they perceive as the culture. Where I live it may not necessarily be overalls, but it is stuff like flannels and boots and country music and other "rustic" things


Still, until the overalls he wasn't really trying to change who he was and it came off as something just done for a visual gag. He could have been in his normal clothes and delivered the exact same lines.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:11 pm

Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:
Yeah, that. You're making that up. She was invested in the fairy tale romance with Prince Charming, meets said prince, and finds out he's a gigantic asshat and goes after the idea of princeliness despite it until the breaking point. It's her pursuing an idea. You might say it's because she's idealistic. The flaw wasn’t that she ran into trying to bag a prince, it's that she assumed he'd be Prince Charming instead of Prince Charmless and refused to accept it until hope was lost.


I believe that Rarity is more interested in the idea of being in love than actually being in love.

As we say in computer science “I want to live in theory, everything works in theory”. Rarity craves perfection, and reality has a tendency to fall well short of that. Whether she can adjust her expectations, or settle for being a busy career pony with a closet full of romance novels is something I expect to never see resolved. And I’m fine with that.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:12 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Wow...I can't believe we're halfway through the season already. It's amazing to think that it's going so fast. But luckily, we have the rest of this and next season to look out for. :allears:

To put this into perspective, GPP aired 364 days ago and MMC came one week later, along with the start of the third summer. Or, in other words, we still have another whole S3 to look forward to! :party:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:14 pm

Despite humorous freakouts, and funny noises my favorite Rarity line has to be the unintentionally insulting, and hilariously deadpan deliver of..

:rariwhat: "Who? Applejack?"

I know she isn't trying to be a total jerk, but just the perfect delivery says "Why the hell are you interested in her, she's covered in... nature?"
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:16 pm

The Doctor wrote:Despite humorous freakouts, and funny noises my favorite Rarity line has to be the unintentionally insulting, and hilariously deadpan deliver of..

:rariwhat: "Who? Applejack?"

I know she isn't trying to be a total jerk, but just the perfect delivery says "Why the hell are you interested in her, she's covered in... nature?"


Of course, she lost her way. Trenderhoof was going way off script.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:19 pm

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:spike101: : Here we go...

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Transition stills, still the funniest.

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What strong back hooves, Rarity, to still be standing. Perhaps you started becoming Cowgirlity earlier than I thought.

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THIS is the funniest part of the episode, forget Muddity.

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"I dunno man, been through that, not helping you"

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He doesn't have a purple cutie mark... :psygum:

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Like this design a lot

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I know Rarity, that "set up your name with a rhyme, inexplicably go the other way" joke was kinda :nngh:

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This is funny, but also too dumb for Rarity

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Giraffity is not happy with Generic Love Interest.

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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:19 pm

It is a good feeling to know we still have an entire 13 episodes of pony left, especially considering the next three episodes are about some of my favorite characters.

Soon best pony will make her triumphant since becoming a vampire pony :allears:
"Why does life have to be so IRONIC?" :milkshake:
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