S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

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Re: S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:03 pm

Pocket wrote:Man, Fluttershy in the bee costume was so random. It just came and went in like ten seconds. Where was she even keeping that thing?

She bought a bee-themed Janimals suit.
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:06 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Maybe only the Breezies curse.

I don't know about that. :pinkieshrug: Also "horseapples" is slang for horse poop, sooo... :gotcha:

Venusy wrote:I kind of wish we'd been able to have closed captions on the stream for the breezie language subtitles. :lol:

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:10 pm

Fluts: "Oh my, maybe it's because there's too few of them. When they started their journey, there was more of them to face the breeze together!"

Where "it" is the problem of not being able to make a perfect breeze suddenly.

So uh... yeah, no. What? They're going WITH the breeze, not against/facing it. Blehhhhhh plot hole, whatever.

The bigger issue for me is how Twilight being able to change anypony's race is suddenly a huge OP buff. I mean, I know she IS a huge OP princess, but this is kind of the first time it's really happened.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:12 pm

As I saw it, if only one or a few of them try to travel, they just can't go as fast or as far as if there were a certain critical mass of Breezies. It's like with migratory animals in real life, like how flocks of geese are somehow able to travel farther than they can on their own.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:13 pm

Not a bad episode, but it's in competition with Rainbow Falls for the weakest key episode so far.

The plight of the breezies made no sense to me. What were they doing - carrying pollen from the pony world to theirs? Why would they need to do that? Do they have all-female plants that don't make pollen? I might be overthinking it, but I still feel they should have been carrying something different from the pony world.

I liked Sea Breeze; it was good idea to have a breezy who wasn't just a dumb cute creature thing. But him suddenly apologizing and being nice to the other breezies near the end felt forced. I know the key episode formula calls for someone to learn about Kindness from Fluttershy, but it was Sea Breeze's lesson TO Fluttershy that actually worked. So the Nice Sea Breeze scene out of nowhere felt a bit tacked-on.

Episode was cute, but I feel like they could have done some more interesting stuff with the breezies. I'd have to put this on the low end of the season. Oh well. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:14 pm

Think of it like how geese migrate together to reduce the strain on each individual goose. It's sorta like that. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:15 pm

If there's some physics / biology / psychology / whatever thing that explains this, that's fine. I mean, some people elsewhere have been complaining about a simple leaf causing all the trouble, but that was totally sensible. "Face the breeze" though when they're going with it doesn't seem to line up.

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:But him suddenly apologizing and being nice to the other breezies near the end felt forced. I know the key episode formula calls for someone to learn about Kindness from Fluttershy, but it was Sea Breeze's lesson TO Fluttershy that actually worked. So the Nice Sea Breeze scene out of nowhere felt a bit tacked-on.

But Sea Breeze was being too harsh, instead of being firm. This is actually done really well, they both learn something about kindness and ultimately end up meeting in the middle.

The plot (at least up until rainbow eyes and finally getting the Breezies out of Fluts' cottage) and moral here is as solid as any top episode in S4, and that's a great positive. I'm still a bit :starity: @ Mane 6 Breezies, which was the lasting impression besides the moral.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:17 pm

Not the best S4 episode, but it's good to have something lowkey inbetween Pinkie Pride and the major upcoming S4 Finale.

With overpowered alicorn Twilight it seems like we will have a Pony Season Finale that will blow the other Season endings away.
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:20 pm

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:I liked Sea Breeze; it was good idea to have a breezy who wasn't just a dumb cute creature thing. But him suddenly apologizing and being nice to the other breezies near the end felt forced. I know the key episode formula calls for someone to learn about Kindness from Fluttershy, but it was Sea Breeze's lesson TO Fluttershy that actually worked. So the Nice Sea Breeze scene out of nowhere felt a bit tacked-on.


The point was that they learned from eachother. Like Fluttershy explained, the reason none of the other breezies ever listened to Sea Breeze was because he was sort of a jerk that only insulted the others and yelled at them. A little understanding and encouragement were a whole lot more helpful.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:23 pm

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:The plight of the breezies made no sense to me. What were they doing - carrying pollen from the pony world to theirs? Why would they need to do that? Do they have all-female plants that don't make pollen? I might be overthinking it, but I still feel they should have been carrying something different from the pony world.


I was wondering this too. It's like, what kind of major ecological catastrophe happened to your own home that you have to go to an entirely different world to collect pollen? :starity:

:black101: EVER SINCE THE GREAT BREEZY GLOBAL WAR OF THE PREVIOUS AGE...
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:27 pm

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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:28 pm

Wait, if the Breezies exist in another world, how was Fluttershy able to 'visit' them a few episodes back? Is it like... she saw them harvesting pollen in Equestria, then took the train back to Ponyville while the Breezies made the incredibly slow journey back to the portal that ended up passing by Ponyville a few days/weeks later?
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Postby acksed (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:31 pm

Pretorius wrote:Wait, if the Breezies exist in another world, how was Fluttershy able to 'visit' them a few episodes back? Is it like... she saw them harvesting pollen in Equestria, then took the train back to Ponyville while the Breezies made the incredibly slow journey back to the portal that ended up passing by Ponyville a few days/weeks later?

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:31 pm

Pretorius wrote:Wait, if the Breezies exist in another world, how was Fluttershy able to 'visit' them a few episodes back? Is it like... she saw them harvesting pollen in Equestria, then took the train back to Ponyville while the Breezies made the incredibly slow journey back to the portal that ended up passing by Ponyville a few days/weeks later?

As good an explanation as any!
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:35 pm

More or less. She said she saw them in western Equestria gathering the pollen. It's possible that it might just take them days to gather all the pollen they need.

As for why they were gathering pollen and all the other details, I kinda like that they didn't explain it, because it leaves it up to the imagination. It's like it's back to the world building of earlier seasons where every question answered just raised more.


Umm... can you tell I really enjoyed this one? :modesty:
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:36 pm

Mir wrote:The point was that they learned from eachother. Like Fluttershy explained, the reason none of the other breezies ever listened to Sea Breeze was because he was sort of a jerk that only insulted the others and yelled at them. A little understanding and encouragement were a whole lot more helpful.

That's true, I get that, but... I guess the apology and "I believe in you!" stuff just felt like too much of an about-face shift to me.

MochaBean wrote:I was wondering this too. It's like, what kind of major ecological catastrophe happened to your own home that you have to go to an entirely different world to collect pollen? :starity:

:black101: EVER SINCE THE GREAT BREEZY GLOBAL WAR OF THE PREVIOUS AGE...

I'm picturing the breezies trying to fight a war now, and it's pretty amusing. "Attack squadron, get in formation!" "Look out, sir, stray leaf dead ahead!" "ABORT! ABORT! MAYDAY!" "OH THE HUMANITY!" :gonkity:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:37 pm

I'm a sentimental guy, so I thought the scene with Seabreeze and his baby, probably seeing him/her for the first time was cute. :flutterunsmith:
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:37 pm

Pocket wrote:Man, Fluttershy in the bee costume was so random. It just came and went in like ten seconds. Where was she even keeping that thing?

Pinkie has bee costumes stashed all over Ponyville just in case she needs to get a lot of honey for a cake. :-P
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:48 pm

Well I'm still kinda fucked up on the Painkillers for my Wisdom Teeth, but I found this episode resoundingly meh. Don't really want the time I spent watching it back, but wouldn't have minded if something else had occupied it. Maybe when I finally feel back to normal again I'll give it another watch, but ech.
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:50 pm

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It came across as really overt, and I couldn't unfeel it, so I'll have to watch it a second time in full to really give my opinion :)

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I'd say this is probably one of the weaker episodes this season. It was okay, but the whole conflict felt kind of contrived. The breezies were absurdly delicate and their reason for being around wasn't very clear. What were they doing in Equestria? What's with the pollen? What's the deal with the portal? Why couldn't Fluttershy just fly them home on her back?

Also, Fluttershy's gotten the lamest key :fluttersmith: Rarity gets some unique rainbow thread, Rainbow gets a Wonderbolts pin, Pinkie gets Boneless, and Fluttershy gets... a flower. I guess it's from the breezie dimension or something, but it just looks like a normal flower.
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Postby Glazius (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:52 pm

Mir wrote:As for why they were gathering pollen and all the other details, I kinda like that they didn't explain it, because it leaves it up to the imagination. It's like it's back to the world building of earlier seasons where every question answered just raised more.


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Postby Eshe (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:57 pm

Finally saw it! Not the best quality, but I'm pretty busy today so I'll just make do.

I didn't like it quite as much as I thought I would. The pacing was a little weird feeling, though there were definite good moments. Some of the little things Fluttershy had to do for the breezies was adorable - a dropper for a glass of water? Or a tissue for a blanket. Hoof-knitted sweater. So tiny and cute! I really like the breezy designs that they're kind of a mix between fairies, bugs and ponies. I feel they fit in the MLP world quite nicely. Fluttershy crying after shooing them out of her house really touched me. Poor girl. She knew what to do, even if it was hard.

The biggest plot hole for me was Rainbow Dash, Cloudchaser and Thunderland having trouble with the wind - why not just have one pony drop out? Wouldn't that make the breeze perfect? :pinkieshrug:

The mane 6 toy insert? :awesomedash: I would so buy them! Everyone talking about squeaky Rarity being the cutest - no way! SqueakyJack! :gotcha:

Also, technically, wasn't Rarity an alicorn during this episode? Wings and a horn. :-P

I really liked the lesson, if not the entire episode. Sometimes a swift metaphorical kick in the butt is kinder than coddling, but that's a tough lesson to learn and an even harder line to follow. Firm can easily become mean, as Sea Breeze found out.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:59 pm

Pretorius wrote:Wait, if the Breezies exist in another world, how was Fluttershy able to 'visit' them a few episodes back? Is it like... she saw them harvesting pollen in Equestria, then took the train back to Ponyville while the Breezies made the incredibly slow journey back to the portal that ended up passing by Ponyville a few days/weeks later?

The Breezies aren't the quickest of creatures. It makes sense to me that they'd spend several weeks in Equestria before their portal closed.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:30 pm

Hard to believe the show once got in trouble for using the word "egghead" after hearing Seabreeze's verbal abuse. :gotcha:

Anyways, a decent episode and I'd rank it third out of the four "key" episodes we've seen so far. Which means it Fluttershy still beat Rainbow Dash... :yay: :grumpydash:
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:41 pm

I enjoyed this episode a lot because I really enjoyed Fluttershy a lot in it. Seriously, she was written wonderfully and everyone keeps getting distracted by the Breezies. They were fine, and all of this looking-for-plotholes stuff just kind of reads like over-analysis. I ain't even concerned about that shit. :dreamworks:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:41 pm

Mordja wrote:Hard to believe the show once got in trouble for using the word "egghead" after hearing Seabreeze's verbal abuse. :gotcha:


Yeah, Sea Breeze was the best thing about this episode. I was surprised at how jerkish he was, berating the other breezies. Of course, it turned out to be the plot point for the moral, so I can see why this was allowed.

I have to admit, I was relieved when it became apparent that there are male breezies. Given the designs (especially the eyelashes), I figured they'd be an all-female race, but nope, there were some that are male, including Sea Breeze.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:45 pm

Frosthawk wrote:I enjoyed this episode a lot because I really enjoyed Fluttershy a lot in it. Seriously, she was written wonderfully and everyone keeps getting distracted by the Breezies. They were fine, and all of this looking-for-plotholes stuff just kind of reads like over-analysis. I ain't even concerned about that shit. :dreamworks:

Also, Rarity was super :vogue:

:eep: was :eep:

And :v: was "I want to transform into ALL THE THINGS YEAH :black101: " :3:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:48 pm

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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:50 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Also, Rarity was super :vogue:

:eep: was :eep:

And :v: was "I want to transform into ALL THE THINGS YEAH :black101: " :3:


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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:51 pm

It's kinda funny just how completely helpless the breezies are. They're so completely useless that it baffles the mind they can survive.

Whenever Sea Breeze says something to Fluttershy in its language I just imagine it's doing this.


Overall the episode is kinda meh. You'd think Fluttershy would know better than to keep the breezies around when literally anything can and will kill them, even if it isn't intentional. There wasn't a whole lot that really happened, just did the same thing for a good 10 minutes. Sea Breeze says "Hey dumbasses, we gotta leave or we'll die." Everyone else ignores him. Rinse and repeat.

Turning the mane 6 into breezies was pretty dumb, but it's fine, as it's obviously never going to be mentioned again. :v:

So yeah, meh. Not as awful as I was fearing, but not great. Nothing really stood out in a good way, but there wasn't really a whole lot to be mad at. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:52 pm

Okay, so I took one of Sea Breeze's dialogues and slowed it down. Click for audio.

I think this is close to how they originally recorded Brian Drummond. They probably changed the pitch, too, but still, it's probably close.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:53 pm

I wonder if the Breezies will ever be brought up again...even as a mention in a later season.
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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:54 pm

There was only some Breezy suffering and a little Breezy misery. And they got through okay. Harumph.

But considering 1) they didn't name Tralala on-screen 2) my despise of the Breezies is entirely irrational and probably displays some sort of madness on my part, I can't really hold it against the show that Fluttershy didn't strap them on a rocket headed for the sun.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:54 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Okay, so I took one of Sea Breeze's dialogues and slowed it down. Click for audio.

I think this is close to how they originally recorded Brian Drummond. They probably changed the pitch, too, but still, it's probably close.


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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:54 pm

ScionVyse wrote:It's kinda funny just how completely helpless the breezies are. They're so completely useless that it baffles the mind they can survive.

To be fair, they seem to be acclimated to their home world just fine - right sized and everything - it's just that Equestria is a land of giants to them.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:57 pm

MochaBean wrote:To be fair, they seem to be acclimated to their home world just fine - right sized and everything - it's just that Equestria is a land of giants to them.

Exactly! They're doing better than we would living on Jupiter.
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:58 pm

MochaBean wrote:To be fair, they seem to be acclimated to their home world just fine - right sized and everything - it's just that Equestria is a land of giants to them.

That's the thing. Sure they are acclimated to their home, but that is rendered moot when they have to go to Equestria. If that is necessary, the're doomed as soon as the ponies don't help them out, and if it isn't necessary, the're complete idiots for purposely going into certain death. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:04 pm

ScionVyse wrote:If that is necessary, the're doomed as soon as the ponies don't help them out, and if it isn't necessary, the're complete idiots for purposely going into certain death. :pinkieshrug:


From what we've seen on the show, the entire world is doomed if the ponies don't help out, so it seems kind of par for the course with this setting. :smirk:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:07 pm

Eh, even in the real world, ecology sometimes gets the job done through such a convoluted and fragile network of species and behaviors, it's kind of a marvel anything survives. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:13 pm

MochaBean wrote:From what we've seen on the show, the entire world is doomed if the ponies don't help out, so it seems kind of par for the course with this setting. :smirk:


Well, if you're gonna look at it that way, it's fine then. :v:
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