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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:08 am

I feel like Celestia might have a Superman complex where she is a lot more powerful then she shows to be but she is mentally blocked by doubts and fears of the destructive capabilities and never uses them to her fullest. So she is always pulling her punches when she fights.

It wouldn't take much to redeem them either. Just have a villain who summons a bunch of golems to attack Equestria, have the minions to powerful to be be stopped by the mane six, then have Celestia and Luna swoop in and start blasting them to pieces and throwing them around with Luna commenting "I can move the moon, do you think I can't handle a few rock monsters?" Boom! Celestia and Luna are powerful again! All while the mane six takes care of the villain.

They shot themselves in the foot story telling wise by making Twilight a princess. While Alicorn Twilight is noticeably stronger then Unicorn Twilight, she isn't massively stronger then before. She has stronger magic and can fly, but still have about the same levels of strength, endurance and stamina. They can't make her much more stronger then average or otherwise she wouldn't need to rely on her friends as much and could just magic blast every bad guy she came across.

So they are kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of making the princesses seem powerful. They never showed Celestia to be that powerful and they can't make Twilight be that powerful. Maybe Twilight is still to young and Celestia is to old and you need to be in your prime to fully master it's power?
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:11 am

Wayoshi wrote:I have heard very, very vague rumors (read: 4chan) that a character will be killed off because a VA is moving on from the show. This is very, very likely bullshit, but when I see Celestia appear in No Second Prances with Nicole Oliver not even voicing her, and you'd expect something huge with relation to alicorns in this movie, and... I'm not entirely ruling it out.


Unlikely since Nicole Oliver isn't just Celestia, she's also Cheerilee.

And I doubt they're going to replace Ponyville's one teacher.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:17 am

I think they'll try to go down that route after the fact, but without any set up it just seems like a weak cover for previous episodes.

Part of me wonders if it wouldn't have been better off to pull a Transformers and kill them in the movie. Give them a grand send off. Another issue with them getting captured, is that it seems the writers use it as a crutch. Get rid of the crutch and force them to think of new ways to establish villain threats. Love both the characters, but if the team is going to treat them more as obstacles to the story instead of assets to the story, then it might be better just to get them out of the picture permanently. Let them die protecting everyone, or have them take a ship to Valicorn-nor or something.

Soft Snow wrote:I feel like Celestia might have a Superman complex where she is a lot more powerful then she shows to be but she is mentally blocked by doubts and fears of the destructive capabilities and never uses them to her fullest. So she is always pulling her punches when she fights.

It wouldn't take much to redeem them either. Just have a villain who summons a bunch of golems to attack Equestria, have the minions to powerful to be be stopped by the mane six, then have Celestia and Luna swoop in and start blasting them to pieces and throwing them around with Luna commenting "I can move the moon, do you think I can't handle a few rock monsters?" Boom! Celestia and Luna are powerful again! All while the mane six takes care of the villain.

They shot themselves in the foot story telling wise by making Twilight a princess. While Alicorn Twilight is noticeably stronger then Unicorn Twilight, she isn't massively stronger then before. She has stronger magic and can fly, but still have about the same levels of strength, endurance and stamina. They can't make her much more stronger then average or otherwise she wouldn't need to rely on her friends as much and could just magic blast every bad guy she came across.

So they are kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of making the princesses seem powerful. They never showed Celestia to be that powerful and they can't make Twilight be that powerful. Maybe Twilight is still to young and Celestia is to old and you need to be in your prime to fully master it's power?
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Jim Miller once commented that writing Celestia was a lot like writing for Superman, so there's some truth in that.

I think the perfect episode to let them show off their power would have been the S4 opening. Let them rescue the girls in the Ponyville from the magic plants. Dump the silly subplot with Zecora's magical mcguffin juice and have Celestia and Luna guide them back to the Tree of Harmony, along the way recounting their stories of using the elements.
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Postby Dal (?) » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:30 am

It's not hard to write past the differences between Twilight+Cadance and Celestia. They shouldn't be as powerful as an alicorn at least 1000 years their senior. They are still capable of great feats, but don't have literal centuries of experience and practice. The writers need to show as such, but that requires actually using Celestia as more than a "shit just got real" plot point.

As for age, I think Luna would still be in her "prime".

Also alicorns are pretty darn powerful if the S4 finale is anything to go by: their combined magic was just as powerful or more powerful than the entire rest of Equestria combined.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:48 pm

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Postby marshmallow (?) » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:47 am

I read the Art Book. Looks like there's a scene where the Mane 6 get flushed down a giant drain to reach the seaponies. Hopefully this isn't an accidental metaphor for the whole movie.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:13 am

New screenshots.

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:ponder: we had our lengthy talk about the Princesses being captured being a big part of Meghan's storytelling, but now that I think about it, Twilight getting captured in the climax is something in every one of her 2 part episodes as well.

Canterlot Wedding - She and Cadance are re-captured at the end
Crystal Empire - She's captured by Sombra's trap
Princess Twilight Sparkle - Captured by plants at the end
Twilight's Kingdom - Gives up power to Tirek

It's the basic 3-act structure of storytelling, with the stakes being raised and the heroes being at their lowest.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:18 am

At this point the biggest attraction to this movie for me will be seeing something directed by Jayson again.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:59 pm

Wayoshi wrote:At this point the biggest attraction to this movie for me will be seeing something directed by Jayson again.


I am digging the bird pirates, and I'm sure the music will be nice.

That's really it for me though.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:35 am

Some of the designs, the animation, and yea, that's largely it. Story is a wash because from all I can see Twilight's entire adventure is entirely pointless and doesn't really help them win at all, thus making it time padding.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:46 am

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I think the prequel comics are independent stories just loosely connected to the movie. Much like the comic's origin stories for the villains. It doesn't reveal much about the movie and I doubt the movie will mention what happened in the comics. Like through out the comic they were chasing this mcguffin and people thought it would appear in the movie. But at the end the Storm King destroyed it to show that he didn't need it.
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Like I'm sure the pirates will say something how they stole from the Storm King, but I doubt they will say it was Strife who betrayed the Storm King and teamed up with the pirates to steal his treasure. Then again, Strife is such an out of place creature that he almost feels like he will be in the movie. But the Storm King dropped him from his airship in the comic. I think they used Strife to explain why Grubber has such a high position in the army. Strife was to smart and betrayed the Storm King, so he picked Grubber as a replacement because he is to stupid to betray him.
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In the comics when Tempest tried to use magic it kind of flowed out of her horn like water onto the ground. I wonder if we will see something like that in the movie?
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The Storm King's military conquest is rather interesting. He conquered half the world and is in search of magical artifacts. Yet he never heard of the largest and most magical country in the world until Tempest told him were it was. The Storm King isn't interested in ruling but rather just raiding the places he invades like the Vikings did. I think he was so successful because of his airship fleet. He can bypass a country's defense, out maneuver their forces, and land his entire army on their capitol. In a way it reminds me of the Mongrels mounted archers or the British steamboats that helped them conquer land quickly. It seems that ponies were able to cut out such a large swath of land thanks to them being able to both fly and use magic. Something most other nations lack. I imagine the Storm King would have more trouble trying to conquer the griffons, dragons and changelings. I think the pony's cooperation is also a key factor in their success.
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The strange thing is the comics never showed the Storm King's powers. Does he have any? I'm not sure. All he really did in the comics was just talk and pose. I don't even recall him fighting. In the first comic it kind of mused this idea by asking what is a Storm King suppose to be. I'm not sure myself to be honest.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:54 pm

Wayoshi wrote:At this point the biggest attraction to this movie for me will be seeing something directed by Jayson again.

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Postby Kronos (?) » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:00 pm

Based on the new trailer, it looks like at least Princess Celestia gets frozen into solid rock (the shiny kind, since Tempest appears to monologue in front of her like a mirror).
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:34 pm

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Postby drunkill (?) » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:33 pm

Seems like the song will be at the end of the movie.

It is pretty plain for a song. Lacking a distinguishing riff or tune.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:50 pm

So the full "graphic novel" (screencaps from the film) book is out.


:lol: The ending is literally a big giant reset button. Canterlot is restored even faster than the Princesses got captured.

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I think one of the biggest let downs, besides the whole Princess thing, is that, from the story perspective, the only thing they seemed to look to do with a big film is add guest stars.

The villain isn't as big a threat as previous villains, he's a guy with a stick. It follows the same story beats one would expect from a 2-part episode of the show and really just doesn't seem to take any risks or try anything new.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:36 am

The Doctor wrote:So the full "graphic novel" (screencaps from the film) book is out.


:lol: The ending is literally a big giant reset button. Canterlot is restored even faster than the Princesses got captured.

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I think one of the biggest let downs, besides the whole Princess thing, is that, from the story perspective, the only thing they seemed to look to do with a big film is add guest stars.

The villain isn't as big a threat as previous villains, he's a guy with a stick. It follows the same story beats one would expect from a 2-part episode of the show and really just doesn't seem to take any risks or try anything new.


Somehow I'm not surprised.

At the same time, still sounds better than Transformers 5 because it has a plot.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:51 pm

I'm a little confused how they went from "we don't want it to feel just like an extended episode" to "let's just make an extended episode, can't mess with our cashcow too much now" but I guess maybe my expectations were a bit too high in the years prior
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:01 pm

Pretty sure the movie's goal for a while now has been just "the show, but bigger".

I mean an earlier version of this movie had Alicorn lore, Luna and Celestia's secret evil brother, Scorpan cameo, and the storm king was just a giant wolf spirit thing unleashed by said Secret Evil Brother, but that all got scrapped pretty early on.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:04 pm

Ruflux wrote:I'm a little confused how they went from "we don't want it to feel just like an extended episode" to "let's just make an extended episode, can't mess with our cashcow too much now" but I guess maybe my expectations were a bit too high in the years prior


I think it's Hasbro trying to play it safe more than anything at this point. Especially given AllSpark Pictures only produced one other film and that was the HISTORICALY bad Jem adaptation.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:22 pm

Celly and Luna having an evil brother sounds like a dynamite idea. Too bad it got scrapped.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:18 pm

At least Hasbro had enough sense to not go with the weaksauce "cartoon characters come to the real world" plot that Sony Pictures was pushing.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:52 am

I am glad they aren't doing the Evil Brother thing. That was a bit too way cliche for me, and like, one of those 'HOW DO WE MAKE THIS EDGIER' things that it is good they scrapped.

But this would have been way better if the main villain was always Tempest and she was trying to unleash the Elemental Storm King to restore her power, and when he got out and started wrecking shit, bam.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:10 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:At least Hasbro had enough sense to not go with the weaksauce "cartoon characters come to the real world" plot that Sony Pictures was pushing.


Agreed, that was what I originally feared the film would be when the original plug for the film was it being live action but not Equestria Girls.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:40 pm

Dexanth wrote:I am glad they aren't doing the Evil Brother thing. That was a bit too way cliche for me, and like, one of those 'HOW DO WE MAKE THIS EDGIER' things that it is good they scrapped.

But this would have been way better if the main villain was always Tempest and she was trying to unleash the Elemental Storm King to restore her power, and when he got out and started wrecking shit, bam.


Other than the brother thing, I would have preferred the lore heavy story. A name like Cosmos would have better served one of Celestia and Luna's parents anyways.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:08 pm

I liked the elemental stones or whatever, even if it would've been kinda cliched, probably
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:14 pm

My Little Avatar: The Last Airpony

Honestly I'm just sad they didn't go with Sony's plan.

Like now we'll never know which Hollywood actor would get to interact with the mane 6 in New York.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:54 pm

DerFurShur wrote:My Little Avatar: The Last Airpony

Honestly I'm just sad they didn't go with Sony's plan.

Like now we'll never know which Hollywood actor would get to interact with the mane 6 in New York.

Are you kidding me


That woulda been primetime "haha laugh at this dumb shit" material
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:59 pm

I know it'd would have been everything.

Now we'll never get to experience that.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:21 pm

Alas, such is life
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Postby drunkill (?) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:24 pm

Well after two years of waiting and discussion the movie is out today, time for this thread to close.

You can discuss the full movie release here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16226
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