S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:47 pm

Well, Cadance is the prettiest princess. :spoiler:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:48 pm

Coco Pommel

15/10 best finale
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:48 pm

Aramek wrote:Well, Cadance is the prettiest princess. :spoiler:


And best princess
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:48 pm

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Cadance kind of seemed shoved in there to get her out of the picture with Celestia and Luna. By the flimsy logic that Tirek wouldn't know about Twilight, he shouldn't have known about Cadance either.

We don't know how long Cadance has lived. So honestly it really works
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:49 pm

DerFurShur wrote:
And best princess


lies.

Aramek wrote:Well, Cadance is the prettiest princess. :spoiler:


more lies!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:49 pm

Aramek wrote:Well, Cadance is the prettiest princess. :spoiler:


This is true but Celestia is best non-Twilight princess.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:49 pm

Wayoshi wrote:We don't know how long Cadance has lived. So honestly it really works


We know she's aged like any other pony and is about as old as Shining Armor. According to the books and the comics.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:51 pm

The Doctor wrote:
lies.



more lies!


The only lies I see here are the ones you type out
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Postby Foalish Gambino (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:52 pm

PonyHag714 wrote::awesomedash: Meanwhile...at the Hall of Friendship...

Implying that there's a Hall Of Hatred.

Tirek: "And now we get down to the business at ha... What is it, Ahuizotl?!"
Ahuizotl: "All I want is some pants! A decent pair of paaaants!"
Sombra: "Sombra wants pants too!"
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:55 pm

So yeah quick reaction is that this is probably my new favorite 2-parter replacing the Crystal Empire, and that the ending to this is one of the most satisfying in the whole show. Cannot wait to see what they do with this new set-up for season 5.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:55 pm

I'm just going to assume that giving Twilight all the alicorn magic was just so she would have a greater chance of making an "Important decision about magic" and that "Tirek won't know about a forth princess" was just an excuse.

It certainly wouldn't be the silliest gambit Celestia has ever made. :dwi:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:55 pm

SOLOMON SOMBRA HUNGRY!
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Your MRI results have shown total infection to now be approximately one fifth of the full mass of the tissue.

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Your brain is about 20% tumor.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:56 pm

For the record, the songs:

"You'll Play Your Part"
"Let the Rainbow Remind You"

EDIT: And Kazumi did handle Luna
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Postby InC (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:56 pm

Cadance was clearly younger when she babysitted Twilight so she's probably as old as Shining Armor, but the crystal ponies still recognized her as the crystal princess when she grabbed the crystal heart and her cutie mark glowed in response. Tirek must have known the Crystal Empire is supposed to be ruled by a princess of love and would have looked for her, even if that wasn't specifically Cadance back when he was imprisoned. :idea:
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:58 pm

Plus, Cadance has still been around for years, so news might have trickled into Tartarus from somewhere.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:58 pm

And Cadence has been a princess at least since Twy was a filly so of course Tirek would know. News may be slow to get tonTartarus. But not that slow. XD

My only question... Is Tireks brother still Alive? If so I would love to see him & the far away Land he & Tirek were from in S5. Unless it's a Unicron thing and Tireks A dimension hopper.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:59 pm

Oh my god that was soooooooooooooooooo good! I think I exploded.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:01 pm

The Doctor wrote:
Cadance kind of seemed shoved in there to get her out of the picture with Celestia and Luna. By the flimsy logic that Tirek wouldn't know about Twilight, he shouldn't have known about Cadance either.

Cadance has been a princess longer than and has also been a bit more public with her princess-ness than Twilight has. This also felt okay to me.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:02 pm

I liked the scene in the morning where Twi wondered why the sun wasn't up and "Oh yeah...that would be me." :twonk:

And she lost control of the sun for a second. Don't ever lose that Twiness, Twilight, no matter what you do. :twiright:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:11 pm

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Their little circle of thrones has me waiting for friendship to descend on them in their time of need like in M.A.S.K.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:19 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:Oh my god that was soooooooooooooooooo good! I think I exploded.

RIP shotgunbadger. He will be missed, but I'm not sure who by.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:22 pm

Was it just me or was it mostly male ponies that they showed getting their magic sucked out of their horns?


Anyway -

:gah:We need to rebuild the library immediately!
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Postby Foalish Gambino (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:25 pm

Mordja wrote:RIP shotgunbadger. He will be missed, but I'm not sure who by.

He died as he lived: exploding violently out of pure joy.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:25 pm

I'm guessing there'll be a larger library within the castle itself.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:27 pm

Just watched it now (I overslept :modesty:).

Whoa...not sure what to think. That fight scene, Discord's betrayal, Twilight questioning her role (it only took an entire season to acknowledge it! :iamapony:), the keys... I'm wondering how season 5 will play out.

See ya next season! :party:

EDIT: I won't lie, I legit felt bad for Fluttershy when Discord betrayed her. :saddershy:
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Postby Throbulator (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:32 pm

I think this was a great way to conclude season 4 and the mystery box dealie. I'll probbaly have more stuff to chime in with upon re-watching.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:33 pm

Wait, did Owlicious return? After the library blows up, he flies away. I don't think he's coming back...
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:34 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Wait, did Owlicious return? After the library blows up, he flies away. I don't think he's coming back...


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:39 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Wait, did Owlicious return? After the library blows up, he flies away. I don't think he's coming back...

Now Spike won't have any friends at all in S5. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Kamek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:40 pm

Good gravy, what a spectacular way to end a spectacular season :-D I loved every minute of it.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:40 pm

Good episode, I liked it.
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:41 pm

It's going to be weird seeing Ponyville in S5 with that thing towering over it in the slice eps.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 4:46 pm

S05E01-02: After complaints from Ponyville residents about its stark clash with the rest of the town's aesthetics, Twilight's Friendship Castle is deemed condemned by Mayor Mare, thus threatening the very fabric of friendship itself. Will Twilight and her friends be able to stay strong in the path of the bulldozer?
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Another thing I liked was the group photo at the end. A reminder that the Mane 6 and Spike are what it's all about. :yay:
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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:07 pm

That shiny, reflective crystal castle is gonna end up being like a Frank Gehry building, setting nearby carts on fire at certain times of the day. :twonk:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Wait, did Owlicious return? After the library blows up, he flies away. I don't think he's coming back...

That look Twilight gives him as he flies off is pretty sad.
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  • The alley where the first pony gets attacked by Tirek appears to be the same one where Trixie finds the mysterious shop of dangerous artifacts.
    :twonk: Why do we even have that alley?!
  • Also, the princesses' manes stop waving once they give up their magic.
  • This episode has a lot of that three-quarter Celestia face from the wedding rehearsal.
  • Photo Finish is in the crowd in Ponyville at the end of the episode.
  • Discord handing Celestia a bouquet at the end? :pcstare:

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I find myself on the fence about this finale. On one hand, I think the core of the story is perfectly fine. Tirek is a cool villain. And ultimately, all the pew pew lasers in the world don't save the day, which is a good lesson. Even Discord is believable here; he's never been completely tamed. And everyone powering up at the end is fine, too; it's a season bookend, and there's no trouble with cutting loose.

Also, seeing Twilight on sun/moon duty was pretty great. :lol:

But the keys have always been a laughably straightforward plot device. The focus on them in the first episode is heavy on recapping and monologuing, and when they get around to unlocking the box, it's pitched as fast down the center as it possibly can be: Twilight decides the key items are important somehow, and they just throw 'em at the box to make them work. We've known the box/castle/rainbow powers were coming for months and months, and the show treats it much like we do -- getting them out of the way without any pretense.

Episode 2 also leads off with the strange little red herring about Twilight taking the alicorn magic and hiding.
The good part: It emphasizes Twilight's turmoil over her role as a princess. If she has to be up on a pedestal now, she needs to feel useful, so she accepts Celestia's mission without hesitation.
The bad part: How is hiding supposed to help? Why would she not tell her friends? It's a weird plot twist that only gives us a single scene of Twilight having to keep secrets before the villains show up and start the final battle. The only narrative purpose it seems to serve is to separate everyone from Twilight so they can be caught before her.

I do have to admit, I'm also left with the same unease as last season's ending. I'm not going to go moaning about the how everything's ruined forever, but it's the same sort of "Something huge has changed! See you in nine months!" development. I'm glad we already know season 5's been approved, but we're right back where we were at the start of the season, asking, "How is being a princess going to affect Twilight and the others?"
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:44 pm

I guess the princesses are immune to singing pleas.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:49 pm

Mr. Big wrote:EDIT: I won't lie, I legit felt bad for Fluttershy when Discord betrayed her. :saddershy:


:excellent: I do it mostly for Fluttershy, but I will dump her at the drop of a hat if someone offers me power!
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:51 pm

That just proves that Discord is us. We're Discord.
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Your MRI results have shown total infection to now be approximately one fifth of the full mass of the tissue.

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 5:52 pm

Image <-- note the semi-alicorn mane

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The show's designs win over the toys', again. :v:
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