S06E06: No Second Prances

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Re: S06E06: No Second Prances

Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:02 pm

Best episode of the season so far imo
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:02 pm

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:03 pm

This episode was good, but a couple things

-Twi is in "must impress Celestia I know best about friendship" regression mode for the sake of the ep
-Specific Fluts complaint but she's notably a master of manticores, her reactions to the trick were not characterized well
-Ending was really quick, we say this in about half the episodes but it kinda hurt more this time I think as the final conflict etc is all done in 4 minutes

On the other hand, SG/Trixie was very cute and a couple gags were really good (particularly the ending).
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:03 pm

Dash had like 10 amazing faces that would probably make great smilies. :seethe:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:04 pm

good things about the ep:

-starlight
-trixie
-trixie redemption
-starlight and trixie friendship
-twilight had to admit she was kinda a dickbag instead of it being some Discord style 'we pretend the bad guy isn't still doing 100% what was wrong with them to start with and call it a redemption story' thing
-Celestia got snubbed and that was funny
-Hoofdini
-straight up jacking that trick from The Prestige

things that were dumb:
-"Dee-Jay Pone-Three"

in conclusion more Trixie/Starlight friendship please
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:04 pm

When was the last time an episode had both this much heart and this much humor? Usually the show's great at doing a whole lot of one or the other in any given episode, but... yeah, this is definitely one of the best in the entire series.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:05 pm

Also I enjoyed the title
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:05 pm

Very good episode. I thought for a minute Trixie was her same old self, using Starlight to get at Twilight, but I'm glad she turned out to be sincere in her friendship.

Lots of great cameos...Big Mac, Derpy, Vinyl Scratch (I still prefer VS), Cranky and Celly. I'm liking all the Celestia we've gotten so far. And I loved the Big Mac scene.

I wonder how long Celly is going to hang out at the dinner table. It reminded me of the ending of "Airplane" when the taxi passenger says "I'll give him 10 more minutes, and that's it." :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:05 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:things that were dumb:
-"Dee-Jay Pone-Three"

Actually this line was perfect because Twilight is a giant dork, so of course she'd read that stage name literally.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:06 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Actually this line was perfect because Twilight is a giant dork, so of course she'd read that stage name literally.


Actually you know what, taken like that I 100% agree and take back that strike against the episode.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:06 pm

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:07 pm

Wayoshi wrote:-Specific Fluts complaint but she's notably a master of manticores, her reactions to the trick were not characterized well

I thought that too, but she could've just been scared for Trixie's sake. :fluttershrug:

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:07 pm

Trixie tried to fucking kill herself holy shit did I see that right because that's kinda how that was gonna go down.
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Postby UnintelGen (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:08 pm

Wayoshi wrote:This episode was good, but a couple things
-Specific Fluts complaint but she's notably a master of manticores, her reactions to the trick were not characterized well


It's a stage show, she's not scared of the Manticore, but the upcoming, death-defying trick that involves the Manticore. She's scared for someone else's sake. It worked fine.

Wayoshi wrote:-Twi is in "must impress Celestia I know best about friendship" regression mode for the sake of the ep


This I also take issue with. Twilight's a teacher now. She really wants to know she's doing a good job, not just simply doing a good job. Which is something she does have to learn regarding teaching.

Plus, the bragging and desperation were great moments of comedy. If it wasn't funny, I might take more issue with it, but Twilight was in a less clear, but still there, panic mode.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:09 pm

Aramek wrote:Trixie tried to fucking kill herself holy shit did I see that right because that's kinda how that was gonna go down.


I THINK they meant it more like 'she trusted and hoped that her friend would at the very least not want her to be in danger and stick around to talk it over'?

But uh, yea, she was just totally sadly going to a trick that she said would totally kill her because her new bff bailed...
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:10 pm

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I'm out of the house this morning so all I've seen of the episode is the trailer and this gif and it's already the best episode of anything
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:10 pm

:pinkieshrug: OK episode.

Trixie just using Starlight felt just as out of place here as Discord just using the other 5 in "What about Discord". Like the writers can't commit to having these characters turn over a new leaf. Fun scenes with Trixie and Starlight, and Celestia being bored out of her mind was hilarious, but overall, the ending brought down this episode for me.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:11 pm

Octavia wrote:I thought that too, but she could've just been scared for Trixie's sake. :fluttershrug:

That's my take on it. Fluttershy threw herself at the manticore way back in the S1 premiere for the sake of her friends, but Trixie was doing it here solely for the sake of putting on a show. It's not as if Fluttershy isn't scared in situations like that (see also Dragonshy or Stare Master), it's just that when it comes to helping loved ones, that's when she has the strength to get past her own fears. When Fluttershy is just watching a big show... there's a whole lot less emotional investment there.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:13 pm

Awesome episode, best of things, that was great. Glad to see Sunhorse actually showing up even if it's just fun cameos.

Anyone spy any changelings?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:14 pm

Dexanth wrote:Anyone spy any changelings?

Oh no. We're going to be hunting just like we were looking for Starlight in S5 now, aren't we? :ohgawd:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:16 pm

Hey, Rainbow Dash, ever googled yourself?

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:16 pm

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:twonk: What's wrong with your face?!
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:16 pm

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:17 pm

Also in the pilot, Fluttershy knew it was injured and that's why it was mad. This one wasn't, so it was just straight up a dangerous monster.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:18 pm

The Doctor wrote::pinkieshrug: OK episode.

Trixie just using Starlight felt just as out of place here as Discord just using the other 5 in "What about Discord". Like the writers can't commit to having these characters turn over a new leaf. Fun scenes with Trixie and Starlight, and Celestia being bored out of her mind was hilarious, but overall, the ending brought down this episode for me.

I'm pretty sure Trixie didn't mean to actually use Starlight. Like she didn't know from the start that Starlight was Twilight's pupil. Just that learning about Twilight's relation to her and Trixie's jealousy ended up affecting her priorities.

Aramek wrote:Also in the pilot, Fluttershy knew it was injured and that's why it was mad. This one wasn't, so it was just straight up a dangerous monster.

Jim said she was more scared over using it for a dangerous act.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:20 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:21 pm

Aramek wrote:Also in the pilot, Fluttershy knew it was injured and that's why it was mad.

Actually, it was the opposite. After the manticore got done licking Fluttershy and she moved on with the others, this exchange happened:
Twilight Sparkle: How did you know about the thorn?
Fluttershy: I didn't. Sometimes we all just need to be shown a little kindness.

The other five had tried to fight the manticore and all got beaten, so that was Fluttershy at her last resort there.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:27 pm

Oh yeah, pony hivemind again lol - it's a simple teleportation trick and no one in the audience, not even Twilight, can see through that? :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:28 pm

Here's the episode link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x47z0qb
Wayoshi wrote:Oh yeah, pony hivemind again lol - it's a simple teleportation trick and no one in the audience, not even Twilight, can see through that? :v:

Well, it's still risky, as it ain't like magic's perfect. Look at all the times Twilight's messed a spell up, for example.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:28 pm

Knowing how a magic trick or other illusion works doesn't necessarily take away from the enjoyment of watching it happen.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:30 pm

Marimo wrote:I'm pretty sure Trixie didn't mean to actually use Starlight. Like she didn't know from the start that Starlight was Twilight's pupil. Just that learning about Twilight's relation to her and Trixie's jealousy ended up affecting her priorities.


Yeah. Trixie wasn't coldly calculating about befriending Starlight or anything, it was just showing that her egotistical side is still there and causing problems. I like that, because it's giving more complexity to character than just labeling them "good" or "evil."
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:30 pm

So many callbacks. :yay:
Pinkie Pie: So, you see this here? This, um, this is um, a big, round room. It's known for its roundness, and bigness, and did I mention that it's round?
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:30 pm

Aramek wrote:Also in the pilot, Fluttershy knew it was injured and that's why it was mad. This one wasn't, so it was just straight up a dangerous monster.

Maybe Fluttershy's shocked at how it's chained up. :ack:

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UnintelGen wrote:This I also take issue with. Twilight's a teacher now. She really wants to know she's doing a good job, not just simply doing a good job. Which is something she does have to learn regarding teaching.

Agreed, it worked fine in this episode.

I do wonder if we're ever going to get a real lesson from Twilight that isn't more of a reflection on her teaching methods than Starlight, though.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:38 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:Knowing how a magic trick or other illusion works doesn't necessarily take away from the enjoyment of watching it happen.



:smug: :"The Manticore stunt takes crackerjack timing. Teleport too soon, and the audience can see the magical flash. Teleport too late and you get chewed to bits!"

:facehoof: :"Well, you definitely smell like you took a bath in whatever that Manticore had for breakfast."
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:49 pm

It also seems rather like they are inserting the princesses whenever the hell ever. Because last season neither princess where ever around. Especially moonbutt.

All around ok episode. Weird callbacks, but otherwise... nice they redeemed Trixie while maintaining she's a jerk
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:52 pm

Sailor Yue wrote:It also seems rather like they are inserting the princesses whenever the hell ever. Because last season neither princess where ever around. Especially moonbutt.

All around ok episode. Weird callbacks, but otherwise... nice they redeemed Trixie while maintaining she's a jerk


Feels like they're going back to a S1&2 approach where they exist in the world for reasons other than exposition.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:14 pm

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:bwuh: Jeez, Starlight, if you don't want to meet Spitfire, just say so!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:17 pm

The Doctor wrote:
Feels like they're going back to a S1&2 approach where they exist in the world for reasons other than exposition.

In a more general sense, like what Headless Horse had been saying about Gauntlet of Fire, I feel like the writers have found a way to reach back and capture the heart that the early seasons had, then give that heart far more room than S1's trappings of heavy exposition, same-y art, and E/I rating.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:18 pm

If anything, this episode, with its callback to the great Houdini (and thus to the work he did exposing spiritists and clairvoyants for the charlatans they were), has instilled in me a desire to see a travelling pony debunker, who would expose fraudulent stage craft for mere magic. If there are no mirrors, no sleight of hoof, no misdirection, there can be no proper show.
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