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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:05 pm

According to this, you should be able to import Flash data to Harmony
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:28 pm

Hmm. I wonder if this means they'll use (improved versions of) show assets in the movie too, then.

Honestly, I kinda hope they rebuild that stuff from the ground up, and evolve the art a bit. I've never been the biggest fan of the simplified look, especially not the thick colored outlines. It's not the coloring by itself necessarily, but combined with the thickness it makes the visual style look a bit too weighty. I'd imagine that since art director Ridd Sorensen appears to have left the show, they might go for a different look in the movie too.

e: Wait, the import feature is for Flash CS5 onwards only. I'm pretty certain they use an older version of Flash, since all their customizations were built around it and thus it wouldn't make any sense to upgrade and redo all the work.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:27 pm

Making a movie for theatrical release is a whole different animal than making a TV show, from an art perspective. The extra work they've been putting into the backgrounds, for example, will pay off handsomely in theaters, while the actual pony models might look much different, depending on what whoever the art director ends up being decides to do.

For TV, you kind of have to have those thicker outlines, because even in TYOOL 2015, some people watch the show in standard definition. (DirecTV, for example, doesn't carry DFam in HD, at least not on my package.) Fine details get lost quickly in letterboxed 480p.

In the movie, I'd expect the detail level of each individual model to go up, especially for the mane 6 and princesses. They'll still look like the ponies we know from TV, just "plussed up" for the big screen.

Honestly, I can't wait to see a trailer.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:41 pm

Wylie wrote:Honestly, I can't wait to see a trailer.



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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:06 pm

Yeah, I really doubt that the movie will change the visual style of the characters in any significant fashion. Maybe they'll use actual shading throughout the entire movie, as the show does in occasional shots, but I don't think any of the basic designs will change from what we have now. In G5, sure, but not quite yet.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:44 pm

Oh, I'm not saying there will be a change in -style-, just that there will be a change in level of detail.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:06 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:(one email from a Sony exec literally had her pushing the soulless and asstacular "let's take [group of established cartoon characters] and put them on Earth" concept so as to make ponies more instantly understandable by audiences)

I've already gone on record as saying this could still have been serviceable if they'd had decent writers behind it and had been willing to do the animation as proper Roger Rabbit style medium blending instead of CGI. It wouldn't surprise me if Hasbro's only reason for rejecting the ponies-in-the-human-world pitch was "Uh, we kind of already did that."

(Note that Sony is the exact same studio responsible for The Smurfs, which pretty much explains everything.)

Ruflux wrote:e: Wait, the import feature is for Flash CS5 onwards only. I'm pretty certain they use an older version of Flash, since all their customizations were built around it and thus it wouldn't make any sense to upgrade and redo all the work.

Speaking from personal experience, all they'd have to do is dump all the assets into one file, install CS5 on a single computer, and open and re-save the file in that.

I do hope they'll be redoing the backgrounds, though. Ever since season 2, they've been gradually updating some of the backgrounds with a more painterly look, but so many locations were never redone and it's starting to stand out pretty badly.
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Postby Lorce (?) » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:52 pm

Pocket wrote:I do hope they'll be redoing the backgrounds, though. Ever since season 2, they've been gradually updating some of the backgrounds with a more painterly look, but so many locations were never redone and it's starting to stand out pretty badly.

It all makes sense now! That must be why they destroyed the library. :crack:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:19 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Assuming S6 ends up being the last season, I doubt DHX will switch to Harmony just for the last season. G5's cartoon will almost certainly be animated in it, though.


I'm not certain about this and it may depend on the actual production team themselves but a possible positive to the show becoming Toon Boom-animated is that it might be easier and therefore faster to animate the show. From what i've been told by a few animators I came across, Toon Boom is much easier to work with and therefore the time needed is decreased.

That said, those claims may just be preferences and the current animation crew for FiM probably know more tricks with Flash than they do with Toon Boom (initially). And plus, it depends on the level of work, amount of detail, team coordination, etc.

I mean, I just found out they just FINALLY finished the first Wander Over Yonder Season 2 episode... and production began in February 2014, and today's June 2015 :pcstare: (a year and five months) To be fair though, not only is that show heavily animation driven but they had to change studios after S1 so it probably took some time for the new team to get settled in. MLP FiM probably won't have to deal with that (unless they actually do switch animation studios) nor put that much work into the animation so I think we won't have to be afraid of that happening.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:39 am

Pocket wrote:I've already gone on record as saying this could still have been serviceable if they'd had decent writers behind it and had been willing to do the animation as proper Roger Rabbit style medium blending instead of CGI. It wouldn't surprise me if Hasbro's only reason for rejecting the ponies-in-the-human-world pitch was "Uh, we kind of already did that."

(Note that Sony is the exact same studio responsible for The Smurfs, which pretty much explains everything.)


Yeah, if you hadn't mentioned The Smurfs, I was gonna have to. Or Garfield. Or Rocky & Bullwinkle. Or Yogi Bear. Or God knows whatever other cartoon property someone had the brilliant idea of :twonk: RENDERING IN 3D AND PUTTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREET IN NEW YORK

In this day and age anyone putting forth that idea really, really ought to be given a swift boot to the rear.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:31 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Yeah, I really doubt that the movie will change the visual style of the characters in any significant fashion. Maybe they'll use actual shading throughout the entire movie, as the show does in occasional shots, but I don't think any of the basic designs will change from what we have now. In G5, sure, but not quite yet.


I really hope they do just turbocharge the current look. There's heaps of space for expansion in the current art-style; imagine some of the simpler backdrops given as much attention as the foreground elements, trees and plants that sway in the breeze, more effects animation (dust, weather, wildlife), additional background layers to add depth, basic 3D to allow for more elaborate camera moves, extra shading and lighting effects, etc.

I'm willing to bet that most of that kind of thing is a lot easier to achieve in purpose-built software like Toon Boom than it is in Flash.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:49 am

I still don't believe it'll look exactly like the show, maybe inspired by it, but I feel the look will be different. As the working title is still just "My Little Pony the Movie" and is not mentioning Friendship is Magic, I'm still not believing it is something exactly connected to FiM the series, even if it is still G4.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:15 am

It could just be a naming thing as well, like Marimo suggested.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:40 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I'm still not believing it is something exactly connected to FiM the series, even if it is still G4.

Comments on the initial draft of the script from Sony show it's absolutely FiM
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:43 am

Wayoshi wrote:Comments on the initial draft of the script from Sony show it's absolutely FiM


Drafts and Scripts can change quite dramatically... just ask Aliens 3 Director: David Finch :v:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:01 am

I'd be surprised if Cosmos was still a thing, but if it's not FiM I will be shocked
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:24 am

Yeah, one of the problems Sony had with the initial script was that it relied too much on the audience already watching FiM to understand what's going on, making it difficult for people who have never seen the show before to get into it.

They're very likely re-writing the script so that it can work by itself, but I can definitely see that the movie will have a FiM connection.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:30 am

Of course, I doubt there'll be too much rewriting involved. Remember that the particular Sony executive who was most worried about that is also the one who thought that dumping them on Earth and having hijinks ensue was an actually good idea.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:27 am

Wayoshi wrote:Comments on the initial draft of the script from Sony show it's absolutely FiM


You mean comments on the initial draft that never can be trusted even if it is true as scripts go through many, many changes? :v:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:48 am

Look. The whole reason a pony movie is happening is FiM. There's no way it won't be it.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:08 am

I think that the movie is going to be FiM related as well. It'd be too jarring to just throw completely new characters in it.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:03 pm

Meghan did tweet #BigScreenManeSix or something to that effect once the movie was announced, so there's no doubt it's FiM. Also, Joe Ballarini was (according to the leaked emails) brought on to re-work the script with Meghan, but not outright rewrite it. Combined with Hasbro's comments, it seems like they're mostly happy with it, but to appease Sony and help over with the distribution deal, they're reworking it some with a "real" writer.

I'm going to assume what we'll get in 2017 will certainly at least resemble the first draft, with many of the various small elements and tidbits mentioned intact, just in a more newcomer-friendly format. It will also have been modified a bit to better as a proper feature, rather than just a supersized episode of the show, but otherwise I'd expect it to not go in a totally different direction.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:34 pm

Ruflux wrote:Meghan did tweet #BigScreenManeSix or something to that effect once the movie was announced, so there's no doubt it's FiM. Also, Joe Ballarini was (according to the leaked emails) brought on to re-work the script with Meghan, but not outright rewrite it. Combined with Hasbro's comments, it seems like they're mostly happy with it, but to appease Sony and help over with the distribution deal, they're reworking it some with a "real" writer.

Now I understand why bringing in a fresh writer is important. Considering how long FiM's been around and how Meghan and the gang have gotten (rightfully) buried in its story and lore, having the perspective of someone relatively new to the series is definitely a good way to make sure that the movie remains accessible.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:38 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Now I understand why bringing in a fresh writer is important. Considering how long FiM's been around and how Meghan and the gang have gotten (rightfully) buried in its story and lore, having the perspective of someone relatively new to the series is definitely a good way to make sure that the movie remains accessible.

There's just one problem with that: Apparently Joe is already a fan of the show to some degree. :v: According to rumors, that actually contributed to him being chosen for the task, because it's said that apparently he likes watching the show with his kids.

So Hasbro figured he'd be the perfect guy to improve the movie's appeal to the "cool dad" demographic, i.e. parents who unironically enjoy watch MLP with their kids and will happily go see the new movie in theaters with them. Not a bad move from our perspective, if true, but might still tilt the overall balance towards "movie for pre-existing fans" rather than "movie for everyone."
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Postby Bremen (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:53 pm

According to EQD, Hasbro has filed for a trademark on "Guardians of Harmony." Given the leaked e-mails were talking about an adventure style film, I wonder if this wont end up being the title.

Edit: Though the site notes the trademark was filed for toys. Still, even if this just means some more action-figurish toys that still seems pretty cool.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:06 pm

Bremen wrote:According to EQD, Hasbro has filed for a trademark on "Guardians of Harmony." Given the leaked e-mails were talking about an adventure style film, I wonder if this wont end up being the title.

Edit: Though the site notes the trademark was filed for toys. Still, even if this just means some more action-figurish toys that still seems pretty cool.

Could be the theme for S6 or even the S5 finale if they take it beyond the overall theme of "cutie marks". Could also be unrelated and just a toy thing. Though I think it's a legit possibility they could call the movie that. I doubt the final movie will just be titled "The Movie" because that's just confusing when the 1986 movie already exists.

Now, obviously it feels a bit early to apply for a trademark already if they're only intending to use it in 2017, but I suppose they could be planning to properly announce the movie with more solid plot info and maybe a new title sometime this year. That would probably also include promos for new toys that might start releasing in 2016, leading up to the movie.

Really, could be anything at this point. :pinkieshrug: All I know is that it'd sure be a better title than just "the movie" tho.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:50 pm

Hmm...the name sounds pretty cool. Maybe the whole "The Movie" is just a working title: a lot of movies change their name whilst in production.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:54 pm

Do we know what the "Guardians of Harmony" trademark specifically covers? Trademarks have to apply to specific categories of things, after all (when the EqG trademark first surfaced, I remember there being some chatter about the distinction between trademarked "toys" and trademarked "dolls," the latter of which the EqG trademark specifically covered). If this applies to an upcoming film then I think we've got at least part of our title right here.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:03 pm

"Word Mark GUARDIANS OF HARMONY
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Toy ponies and accessories for use therewith"

Do note that this isn't necessarily an indication that it's not for a movie. I dunno the exact details of the process, but the trademarks for other categories (like the movie) might show up in the database later, they might be filed later, etc. And even then weird shit happens sometimes, like EqG originally being trademarked for an animated TV series and not home video releases.

But yeah, I still am not sure this is even likely to be movie-related. Trademarking the name for toys two years before the movie even releases seems a bit too far off for Hasbro. Usually their trademark applications happen much closer to when they're intended to be used (EqG I think was maybe six months off?).

e: Then again My Little Pony isn't registered for motion picture use either, so we'll see how this plays out.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:21 pm

Well, in that case it might be the name of the movie or it might not. Maybe it'll just be the name of next year's toy line.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:18 pm

Clearly, this is for their Guardians of the Galaxy crossover toy line. :v:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:17 pm

I should clarify, I say I don't think it's FiM as in it probably isn't the show, but I still think it'll be Gen4 because even Hasbro said that now they want to hold on to those names/identities. So I feel like it'll be about the Mane 6 and all, but not necessarily FiM, the series, the movie.

And I just hope for a new write staff before Meghan makes this Twilight Sparkle: The Movie. :-/
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:33 pm

Well I mean, this is going into leaks territory again, but you haven't seen what was leaked. It absolutely confirms that at least the first version was FiM, through and through. Hasbro execs stated they were very happy with it, meaning that yes, they aren't interested in doing a non-FiM, general G4 movie with the same characters. I don't even know why they would do that. It's like the worst possible thing to do since they'd immediately alienate their existing fanbase too. :pinkieshrug:


e: Also IIRC, Sony wasn't very happy that the movie was focusing on the whole cast, they wanted more focus on Twilight and Celestia. This isn't spoilers because suggestions like these is why Hasbro decided to only do a distribution deal with Sony.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:45 pm

Ruflux wrote:Well I mean, this is going into leaks territory again, but you haven't seen what was leaked. It absolutely confirms that at least the first version was FiM, through and through. Hasbro execs stated they were very happy with it, meaning that yes, they aren't interested in doing a non-FiM, general G4 movie with the same characters. I don't even know why they would do that. It's like the worst possible thing to do since they'd immediately alienate their existing fanbase too. :pinkieshrug:


e: Also IIRC, Sony wasn't very happy that the movie was focusing on the whole cast, they wanted more focus on Twilight and Celestia. This isn't spoilers because suggestions like these is why Hasbro decided to only do a distribution deal with Sony.



I more got the impression that the Celestia and Twilight story wasn't working that well and they wanted more depth to it. I don't even remember the other 5 being mentioned.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:48 pm

The only mention the other 5 got was that the Sony executive thought they weren't "memorable". They did say they wanted more focus on the Twilight/Celestia relation, but that seems to imply they at least found it likeable, it just didn't go deep enough.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:50 pm

Ruflux wrote:e: Also IIRC, Sony wasn't very happy that the movie was focusing on the whole cast, they wanted more focus on Twilight and Celestia. This isn't spoilers because suggestions like these is why Hasbro decided to only do a distribution deal with Sony.


Well then thank god Sony doesn't have a say in it then as it's all owned by Hasbro, and really their say doesn't mean anything.

Edit: I mean that's just ridiculous. Not memorable? Even Hasbro slaps Rainbow and Pinkie on to everything, not Twilight. And this is the same Sony that had that incredibly awful Spiderman movie plan. :-/
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:57 pm

Yeah I'm probably misremembering it, or remembering someone else's interpretation of the emails. Either way though, it's definitely true that Sony wasn't a fan of the main cast or anything else really. Well Amy Pascal liked Rarity. But I mean she was the one who suggested it should be ponies in the real world, "like the Smurfs."

Gotta give them credit on this, Hasbro did the right thing and went for an in-house production with full creative control.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:14 am

For what its worth, Amy Pascal lost a lot of clout at Sony in the wake of "The Interview" scandal. One of the most publicized emails was her making racist jokes about Obama around the time he visited Dreamworks. So they can safely ignore her suggestions now, pretty much.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:21 am

Well I mean, like I said, the whole reason Allspark even exists is so Hasbro can have full creative control over their productions. They saw that working with Sony on a level above distribution just wouldn't work because of the creative differences they had. :pinkieshrug: So obviously they're free to ignore all of their suggestions now, deal's been made.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:41 am

Even with the way things were pre-Allspark, I thought Sony was still just going to be handling distribution. Was Sony going to have more involvement beyond that? Even if all Sony would do is distribution, I still think that leaves enough room for creatively bankrupt executives like Amy Pascal to apply some leverage to the end product.
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