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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:33 pm

Don't worry. There's a new episode tomorrow and I'll be showing more old episodes next week.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:46 pm

That is a relief. So, what episodes did you cover yesterday?

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:54 pm

I ran Sisterhooves Social through Sweet and Elite. That was five episodes, yeah. I'm going to do another five episodes at some point while we're in S2 both for the sake of easier scheduling (S3 will be much easier to handle if I can do it in three showings of 4/4/5 episodes) and so that we can end a night with A Canterlot Wedding. :evil:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:06 am

Oh, good, I didn't miss The Last Round up. But still, those were some nice episodes to miss. :annoyed: I totally forgot which episodes were in season two.

Next time I'm going to set my alarm clock so I don't miss it! :grumpydash:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:23 pm

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:30 pm

Floats like a butterfly ...

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:47 pm

Hey y'all, it's Thursday again, so that means more of S2 tonight on the Pasture at 7:30 Eastern. I think I'm gonna show another five episodes again.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:28 pm

Rewatch is continuing now, get in! http://octagonalpasture.com/r/sereneplural
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:21 am

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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:21 pm

How do you reckon the season is going at this halfway point?

I think it's potentially going to be the best season yet (full disclosure: I liked everything except The Crystalling and No Second Prances).
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:46 pm

The only exceptional episode has been Saddle Row Review. Flutter Brutter and Second Prances are solid. The rest are take it or leave it at best. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:22 pm

Top Tier: Saddle Row Review, Hearth's Warming Tail, No Second Prances
Excellent: Flutter Brutter, Newbie Dash
Good: Gauntlet of Fire, Spice Up Your Life
Average: The Rest

Over half the episodes were above average, so I'll take it. :twiright:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:30 pm

The Crystalling: Not the best two parter, but a solid episode IMHO. Was nice to get an adventure episode that wasn't Twilight centered, or even completely Mane 6 centered. I hope we get more two parters in this mold.
The Gift of the Maud Pie: A bit predictable, but otherwise a fair episode.
On Your Marks: This episode had its work cut out for it after CotLM, but it handled it well. Solid CMC ep.
Gauntlet of Fire: Great episode, gave us a new character everyone loved and completely shattered the Spike episodes are bad tradition.
No Second Prances: More Trixie! And really well handled Trixie. Also somepony named Starlight I guess. Being a bit muddled in the climax and resolution is the only thing making this episode solid instead of great for me.
Newbie Dash: Excellent character growth and progression for Rainbow's arc. However, I'm not a fan of cringe comedy so I'd probably rate it only as fair.
A Hearth's Warming Tale: More Starlight and a musical ep. Starlight can really sing. Solid retelling of A Christmas Carol with a few subtle twists.
Saddle Row Review: Fairly low key story, but a mastery of character humor and comedic timing makes this a great episode.
Applejack's "Day" Off: Eh, this one didn't really do it to me. It wasn't bad, but the lesson felt too forced. I'd rate it fair.
Flutter Brutter: Spotlights how Fluttershy has grown over six seasons, but other than that just a fair comedy episode.
Spice Up Your Life: I should probably get around to watching this one.

So that ends up with 4 fair, 4 solid, and 2 greats. Seems like a good season so far, though not the best. Definitely no episodes I actively disliked.

Of course, there's still half a season to go, and a good second half could definitely elevate this to my favorite season.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:42 pm

My rankings:

Gauntlet Of Fire
A Hearth's Warming Tale
Newbie Dash
No Second Prances
The Crystalling
Spice Up Your Life
The Saddle Row Review
On Your Marks
The Gift Of The Maud Pie
Flutter Brutter
Applejack's "Day" Off
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:36 pm

I like every episode of every season, but overall, I feel the show is only getting better. :yay:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:44 pm

Epiosdes so far

Great Tier
-Flutter Brutter
-Saddle Row Review
-A Hearth's Warming Tale

Good Tier
-Gauntlet of Fire
-No Second Prances
-The Crystalling
-On Your Marks

Meh Tier
-Spice Up Your Life
-Newbie Dash
-The Gift of the Maud Pie
-Applejack's Day Off
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:03 am

I'd rate 'em:
Great: Gauntlet of Fire, The Crystalling, Saddle Row Review
Good: The Gift of Maud Pie, On Your Marks, No Second Prances, Hearth's Warming Tale, Newbie Dash, Flutter Brutter
Okay: Spice Up Your Life, Applejack's Day Off

There have been more fun episodes than people give them credit for, but there've also been some dull ones.

I think the tricky issue with season 6 is that the writers are almost entirely new. Polsky helped write "On Your Marks," Haber is also pretty new, and everyone else has been around for a season at the most. I don't want to rag on them for not being able to immediately pick up and run, but that's a heavy burden for the first half a season.

Also, their one real misstep was putting "Spice Up Your Life" in front of the hiatus break. It's an acceptable episode, but last season ended with a big Luna ( :flail: ) dream episode that people were pretty excited about.

The larger problem in my mind is that they don't seem to have a strong path forward. I'm happy to watch good slice of life episodes, but since season 4, the only larger story arc has been, "Go to [place] and help [someone you'll never see again] with their problems, which are actually your problems." I want the staff to stretch their wings a little and prove that we're not just running down the clock until the movie.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:15 am

I'm liking S6 so far. Not quite reaching the heights of S5, but solid with some standout episodes.

Excellent
08 - A Hearth's Warming Tail
09 - The Saddle Row Review
11 - Flutter Brutter

Great
03 - Gift of the Maud Pie
05 - Gauntlet of Fire
07 - Newbie Dash

Good
E01 and 02 - The Crystalling
04 - On Your Marks
06 - No Second Prances
12 - Spice Up Your Life

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10 - Applejack's Day Off
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:43 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:The larger problem in my mind is that they don't seem to have a strong path forward. I'm happy to watch good slice of life episodes, but since season 4, the only larger story arc has been, "Go to [place] and help [someone you'll never see again] with their problems, which are actually your problems." I want the staff to stretch their wings a little and prove that we're not just running down the clock until the movie.

Do you really think so? I mean, what about Rainbow Dash finally joining the Wonderbolts, or Rarity expanding her business to a national scale, or Twilight Sparkle now having to be a teacher of friendship instead of a student, or the CMC finally getting their cutie marks and now having to figure out what to do with their lives? With those in mind, I feel that the show is making more progress than ever with its characters.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:22 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Do you really think so? I mean, what about Rainbow Dash finally joining the Wonderbolts, or Rarity expanding her business to a national scale, or Twilight Sparkle now having to be a teacher of friendship instead of a student, or the CMC finally getting their cutie marks and now having to figure out what to do with their lives? With those in mind, I feel that the show is making more progress than ever with its characters.

Those are great moments, but they're an endpoint. Rainbow has been joining the Wonderbolts since season 4. The CMC are now done with cutie mark hunting. Rarity has now opened two new stores.

So, what now? I think they need to be looking for ways to diversify. New characters with new problems, or new challenges for old characters. Twilight has been wrestling with this for three seasons now, and I'm not convinced they've figured out what to do with her. I complained about it in the Trixie/Starlight episode: Stories that should be lessons for other characters wind up being lessons for Twilight about how she's not good at teaching. And if they aren't, she winds up being a nagging voice of reason like in season 4. I don't think that's a sustainable story for her, and I think it'll become increasingly problematic for the other characters now that their story arcs are finished.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:43 pm

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:46 pm

:prettywings: Tier

-Gauntlet of Fire
-Saddle Row Review
-No Second Prances

:awesomedash: Tier

-A Hearth's Warming Tale
-The Crystalling
-The Gift of the Maud Pie

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-Spice Up Your Life
-Applejack's Day Off
-Flutter Brutter

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-Newbie Dash
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:39 am

I'd have to rewatch the episodes to make an actual list, but for now my favorite is The Crystalling-- A great ensemble episode with an emphasis on New Friend Starlight. I like Starlight and I like the Crystal Empire, so what's not to like?

My least favorite was Hearth's Warming Tail. It had good moments, but I just think A Christmas Carol retelling is a tired premise. It's been done so many times before.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:32 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Those are great moments, but they're an endpoint. Rainbow has been joining the Wonderbolts since season 4. The CMC are now done with cutie mark hunting. Rarity has now opened two new stores.

Do you really feel like that's the end, though? Life doesn't end once you've accomplished a personal goal. As you point out, Rarity didn't suddenly vanish from the show as soon as she opened her store in Canterlot. Apple Bloom didn't disappear now that she no longer has to :flail: about not having her cutie mark. Their stories are definitely continuing on, with new experiences and new challenges along the way.

We've been getting new characters with new problems, too. Look at Starlight Glimmer, for example. A former charismatic leader who was shown the error of her ways, she now struggles with learning how to interact in society like normal people do, but is being guided along the path of righteousness by Twilight Sparkle. Maybe this just comes down to our differences in perspective? When you saw No Second Prances, perhaps you saw a story about Twilight not being an especially good teacher, but I primarily saw a story about Starlight having to learn how to make friends without returning to her old ways of controlling and manipulating others. And yes, maybe it seems like Twilight is mostly just being a nag, but at this point I think we need to wait and see. I feel that that the show's writers are working with much longer arcs now than they were in the earlier seasons of the show; as such, we should adjust our expectations accordingly.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:54 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Do you really feel like that's the end, though? Life doesn't end once you've accomplished a personal goal. As you point out, Rarity didn't suddenly vanish from the show as soon as she opened her store in Canterlot. Apple Bloom didn't disappear now that she no longer has to :flail: about not having her cutie mark. Their stories are definitely continuing on, with new experiences and new challenges along the way.

Like I said, I'm happy to watch slice-of-life episodes until they run out of ideas, but that's what we've been getting, mostly. There's not really anything new for them to reach for, and I think that's starting to become important. Their lives go on, but they can happily sit in Ponyville, or go help Random Pony With Problem, and there's no urgency or excitement.

We've been getting new characters with new problems, too. Look at Starlight Glimmer, for example. A former charismatic leader who was shown the error of her ways, she now struggles with learning how to interact in society like normal people do, but is being guided along the path of righteousness by Twilight Sparkle.

I don't think we've really seen that yet, except maybe in the premiere. In most of her episodes, Twilight freaks out about lists and lessons, Starlight rolls her eyes and eventually figures things out on her own, and Twilight mopes about not having been a good teacher. I want to see her be personally challenged.

Look at Sunset Shimmer. She wasn't popular after movie 1, but then they did a whole story about how she, and she alone, had to fight for what's right when all her friends had lost their minds. That's what won a lot of fans over -- her struggle was her own, and no one else's.

When you saw No Second Prances, perhaps you saw a story about Twilight not being an especially good teacher, but I primarily saw a story about Starlight having to learn how to make friends without returning to her old ways of controlling and manipulating others.

There was nothing manipulative about Starlight in that episode. She set out to make a friend, and she did. Only Trixie was being devious, and it was completely invisible to Starlight until the end. The way they painted it was, "Twilight screws up a friendship because she can't trust Trixie, and Trixie screws up a friendship because she can't resist being petty." Then Twilight apologizes, Starlight places her trust in Trixie again, and everything works out. Starlight was right about everything except sending Twilight a note to say, "I'll be late for dinner."

And yes, maybe it seems like Twilight is mostly just being a nag, but at this point I think we need to wait and see. I feel that that the show's writers are working with much longer arcs now than they were in the earlier seasons of the show; as such, we should adjust our expectations accordingly.

I want to believe that, but what new major characters have they added in the past three seasons? Starlight Glimmer. What new emotional conflicts have they faced? Not much -- Scootaloo's insecurity?
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:58 am

The show does story arches in tiny little bunny hops for a reason. In case you cheerfully forgot in your understandable delight of :ponydrugs:, this show is meant for little kids. A target audience with relatively short attention spans. They need to tell a loosely connected story over the season, rather then a heavy plot driven one that requires you to watch every episode in order to understand what is going on, so any kid can turn on any random episode, know what is happening, get excited and run out to buy the toys. I think the writers are doing a great job working within their restrictions. There is only so much you can demand of a show like this.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:45 am

Soft Snow wrote:The show does story arches in tiny little bunny hops for a reason. In case you cheerfully forgot in your understandable delight of :ponydrugs:, this show is meant for little kids. A target audience with relatively short attention spans. They need to tell a loosely connected story over the season, rather then a heavy plot driven one that requires you to watch every episode in order to understand what is going on, so any kid can turn on any random episode, know what is happening, get excited and run out to buy the toys. I think the writers are doing a great job working within their restrictions. There is only so much you can demand of a show like this.

I'm not asking for Game of Thrones. I just think they should, y'know, think about where the characters are going, and what their ambitions are. And if they don't have any except, "Go where the map says, I guess," then they should probably think a little harder.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:55 am

The show caught all our attention at the outset for being more than it needed to be in order to babysit kids and sell plastic horse dolls. The team went way above and beyond the call of duty, for no obvious reason, and I've been here ever since partly as a way of acknowledging that unnecessary effort and saying it's appreciated.

Over time though, even that groundbreaking level of effort comes to be the status quo, and it's amazing what one gets used to in a short amount of time. I feel like we're North Korean defectors who saw our first computer five years ago, and today are writing snarky op-eds about new features demoed at the apple keynote.

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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:26 pm

Headless Horse wrote:The show caught all our attention at the outset for being more than it needed to be in order to babysit kids and sell plastic horse dolls. The team went way above and beyond the call of duty, for no obvious reason, and I've been here ever since partly as a way of acknowledging that unnecessary effort and saying it's appreciated.

Over time though, even that groundbreaking level of effort comes to be the status quo, and it's amazing what one gets used to in a short amount of time. I feel like we're North Korean defectors who saw our first computer five years ago, and today are writing snarky op-eds about new features demoed at the apple keynote.

It's inevitable; we're humans.


Eh, I'd say there's a difference between liking a kid's show because it's high quality, and lamenting that a kid's show is written to be targeted at kids instead of you. It caught on because, while still definitely written for kids, it was still a good show. Some of the things the fandom asked for are definitely in the "forget about the kids, make the show for us" category, though.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:19 pm

S2 rewatch is going to hopefully continue tonight at 7:30 Eastern. Assuming I'm not stuck having dinner out tonight or anything, I'll start it then. And if I am out, I'll start it up as soon as I can afterwards, which hopefully will not be too long.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:36 pm

Yeah, gonna be delayed about 15-20 minutes.

Edit: It's started now!
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:10 am

I hear that Singapore is doing some kind of life sized cardboard cut-out of Ponyville with a population that is 90% Rainbow Dash. I wanted a 90% Rainbow Dash population.
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First we are losing the pony war to Russia, now we are losing Singapore as well. America really needs to up the National Pony Defense (NPD) budget. We are not a competitive global force any more.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:56 am

There was a new Rainbow Dash Presents yesterday.

And it was about the most helpful pony, the legendary YELLOWSTAR.

So it was almost like getting new pony, if pony was full of sarcasm and the odd.. Less than ideal jokes and content as is the won't of Dawn Somewhere. It is Pinkie approved, yes.
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Postby PhoolCat (?) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:19 am

I've never watched a RDP before, so please tell me what the h*ck I just watched?
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:39 am

PhoolCat wrote:I've never watched a RDP before, so please tell me what the h*ck I just watched?


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:53 am

Here's the new video in question, in case anyone missed it in OAP:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:46 am

Whoa, a new RDP? It has been like a year or so since one of those came out, hasn't it? Good stuff, always entertaining.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:50 am

Rainbow dash resents is the only way to find out what happens in Cupcakes and Rainbow factory without ending up with nightmares. Idk if they did smile too, but yeah

Plus Thrakerzod is hilarious.I should watch earlier episodes to find out when he inhabited Sweetie Bell
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:08 am

My first time hearing about Rainbow Factory was from Rainbow Dash Presents. I had no idea what it was but it came with a nice little jiggle.

Then I researched it... Then I found out... :fluttersmith:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:54 am

:help: D E M O N :help:
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