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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:13 am

Dexanth wrote:I guess Zecora moved from S1 to S6, because the tree is completely different!



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Postby UnintelGen (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:15 am

It's kinda funny to see the evolution of the show's backgrounds and effects.

I like to think of it as though DHX had just bought a new videah' game and only had the specs to run it at low quality settings. As time went on, and better hardware, quality settings were getting more and more enabled. From Seasons 1-3 you can see the progression in effects, 'high resolution textures', distanced objects (LODs), Depth of Field, and so on. Season 4 gave us light shafts, better lighting effects and shading, HDR, and so on. Season 5 and 6... I don't remember what they brought, but they definitely are the prettiest of the bunch. :-P :-D

Also, those old Season 1 shots reminded me of the worst aspect of the show's older design. Flash gradients. :-/ It ruins everything, somehow. Sparingly they are alright, but the show relied on them too heavily to convey detail. I'm honestly not sure why they did it at times. The flat, bold colored design didn't really need it. Worse is that you could tell they were using flash gradients. Just straight linear gradients... No contour around the objects, no brakes in color. So it's great to see a lot of variation in the shading now. Some of it looks down right fantastic. :awesomedash:

Dexanth wrote:I guess Zecora moved from S1 to S6, because the tree is completely different!


...Shhh... That's how it always was, remember? That's the same tree. It was always the same tree- And never wasn't. Shh...

On another note, I love the harsh blue highlight casting from behind the tree. And the wood texture, it's purtty.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:55 am

Obviously what happened is that Apple Bloom once accidentally blew off the roof of Zecora's house. Since it's a tree, though, she just whipped up a potion to regrow it. :twiright:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:06 am

UnintelGen wrote:Season 4 gave us light shafts, better lighting effects and shading, HDR, and so on. Season 5 and 6... I don't remember what they brought, but they definitely are the prettiest of the bunch. :-P :-D

I'm not sure what season 5's innovation was, but they backed off the glowy halo light effects. Perhaps just a general emphasis on new character designs? We got characters like Troubleshoes, after all.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:28 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:I'm not sure what season 5's innovation was, but they backed off the glowy halo light effects. Perhaps just a general emphasis on new character designs? We got characters like Troubleshoes, after all.


I don't know that S5 introduced any totally new effects, but there's some great use of complex shadows in some of the episodes. The one that always leaps to mind is "Rarity Investigates" in the interrogation scene:

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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:10 pm

I just heard that Hasbro filed a new trademark called "Hascon" and the description is given away in the name. They want to start hosting their own conventions and gatherings. I can't help but think this is in no small part the result of all these pony conventions popping up by fans. Maybe even to help prevent scams like Los Pegasus Unicorn from happening again. It would also be a good way to show case all their other toys as well.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:44 pm

Where did you hear about that?
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Postby UnintelGen (?) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:07 am

Quick Google Search leads me here:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-hasbro-trademark-filed-hascon/35177/

Dunno if this is the original source but it describes (From the trademark's description) a convention like setup. Seems likely. Could be some sort of external setup, though. Not directly for cons, but for the various back and forth you might see between conventions and businesses. (The trademark itself is in a link in the article)
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:07 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Where did you hear about that?

Equestria Daily.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:18 am

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Postby VGAddict (?) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:45 pm

Do you think we'll have a mid-season hiatus, where new episodes air in the fall, like we did last year? There's a reason why shows take the summer off, after all, and the S5 ratings proved that.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:53 pm

VGAddict wrote:Do you think we'll have a mid-season hiatus, where new episodes air in the fall, like we did last year? There's a reason why shows take the summer off, after all, and the S5 ratings proved that.


I think it's fairly likely. If so I wonder if we'll get another big sendoff episode like Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:15 pm

What I'd like is a two-part episode split across such a break. The last time we had a two-parter that actually aired in two parts was The Return of Harmony, after all.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:16 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:What I'd like is a two-part episode split across such a break. The last time we had a two-parter that actually aired in two parts was The Return of Harmony, after all.


Pony cliffhanger would be great. I still wish Season 2 ended with Canterlot Wedding pt. 1.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:26 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:What I'd like is a two-part episode split across such a break. The last time we had a two-parter that actually aired in two parts was The Return of Harmony, after all.

That would legit be great. It would make people anticipate the conclusion, trying to tune in when the show returns for the second part.

My only hope is that they won't pull a "Duckman".
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:28 pm

I'm not saying I would have LIKED the show to have been cancelled in the midst of a two-parter with Twilight pulled into Pony Hell.

Just that it would've been funny.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:02 pm

First: Remember, there's no episode on tomorrow. There will be one airing at the usual time on April 30.

Second: I'll be streaming some more of S1 tonight at 7:30 Eastern in the Pasture. Unlike last week, I'm not suddenly going out of town at the last minute! :party:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:43 pm

Apparently Sony threw down a lot copyright claims on pony remix songs on YouTube last week, then took them back and announced they are releasing a bunch of pony songs.
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Fizzbuzz wrote:First: Remember, there's no episode on tomorrow. There will be one airing at the usual time on April 30.

Second: I'll be streaming some more of S1 tonight at 7:30 Eastern in the Pasture. Unlike last week, I'm not suddenly going out of town at the last minute! :party:

Oh, thanks for reminding me. I was wondering why there wasn't a new episode thread up yet. Silly me.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:30 pm

S1 rewatch is continuing now! http://octagonalpasture.com/r/sereneplural
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:39 am

We watched Call of the Cutie as part of tonight's rewatch. Boy, I was NOT prepared for how squeaky Sweetie Belle's voice was back then. :-I
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:42 am

Corpy showed up! :awesomedash: That was an unexpected pleasant surprise. S1 was such a peaceful and pleasant time before all this end of the world stuff started to happen on the reg. Also, saddles were a thing. :v:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:14 am

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:ohboy: "Giant hats?"
:vogue: "That was second season."
:sweetiefrown: "Oh man, my sombrero is never coming back in style."
:iiaia: "This year, the rage is rocks! Rock pouches, rock crystal hearts, and for the daring fashionista, full-body rock camouflage! Try this on for size."
:tom: "Hooray, I'm fashion-forward! How do I look?"
:vogue: "Very gneiss."
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:05 pm

I was wondering why there was no new episode thread. Oh well. Work days suck but at least now I have an extra half hour or so before work to waste on other things.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:03 am

It normally takes me an hour to watch one episode. It takes a lot of prep because before I can sit down and enjoy the show. I need my almond snacks and peach tea for it to be a prefect viewing experience.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:05 am

That's super adorable, Soft Snow. :3:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:43 pm

I'm not sure if anyone else notice this or not, but it seems almost as if every episode this season has been about fleshing out a secondary character. Starlight, Maud Pie, Apple Bloom, Spike. I might just be a dumb bunny, but I think this is the furthest we have been into a season without an exclusive mane six episode. At first I thought that they might actually be running out of stories to tell with them but then I realized that they are all new writers. I think this season might be the one were they focus more on other characters.

I know some people complained and compared them to The Simpsons saying by the time they got to the second or third season they already had a fully fleshed out cast of secondary characters. Then again The Simpsons have been running for so long a few people don't even know the back story to a lot of their secondary characters. Do you know how weird it felt having to explain to my 10 year younger sibling why Side Show Bob hates Bart so much?
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:58 pm

Soft Snow wrote:I think this is the furthest we have been into a season without an exclusive mane six episode.


I kind of disagree. I would say that The Gift of the Maud Pie was a Pinkie Pie episode. Maud was in it, but the focus was clearly Pinkie.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:05 am

I think Spike and Apple Bloom (and Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle) count as main characters by this point, too. That wasn't quite so much the case in S1, but later seasons have featured them so much that I sure think they matter a lot more than characters like Maud Pie or Big Mac or Shining Armor (for example).

But yeah, as far as the Mane Six go, at this point they're almost all such good friends with each other that it's hard for them to have much conflict anymore. As such we're naturally going to get more episodes with them and various other friends and relations of theirs. I don't think this is quite so much a product of new writers as it is the writers continuing to find new stories to tell as the show continues.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:02 am

Master_Twig wrote:
I kind of disagree. I would say that The Gift of the Maud Pie was a Pinkie Pie episode. Maud was in it, but the focus was clearly Pinkie.

Let me rephrase that, the longest a season has gone without an exclusive mane six episode that didn't feature extra characters. Looking over episode list, the first exclusive mane six episodes have always been episode three of every season. Season six is the first one to break that curse.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:52 pm

Apparently there is some drama going on in the fandom because one of the comic book writer, Jeremy Whitley, tweeted that he would like to make Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy a couple to help promote homosexual couples. Of course people are against that and some criticize that it would project the stereotype that tomboy girls are lesbians. Others say if they wanted that they should just go with Lyra and Bon-bon instead.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:09 am

Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy is adorable, but I can agree that making the rainbow, tomboy pony a lesbian is a bit too on the nose and could perpetuate the sterotype. Didn't Faust say something about that way back when?



I do think it's sad (but also a bit funny) that the guy who tweeted Jim thinks a new, Gay IP must be made to send this message, and it would not be right to put a gay character into an existing show.

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This guy has harassed Jim in the past, and pretty much stalks the Comic staff for any comment that might offend him. I'm shocked Jim still replies to him.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:00 am

Yeah, I pretty much agree. I'd love to see a same sex couple in FiM, but I'd prefer it not be RD.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:27 am

I also agree, make it Lyra and Bon Bon, there's no need to make a stereotype.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:37 am

Sidotsy wrote:I also agree, make it Lyra and Bon Bon, there's no need to make a stereotype.

This is about as close as we're gonna get probably.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:22 am

I wouldn't want any two of the Mane Six to become a canon couple, but only because they've been friends for so long that I think it'd feel a little strange narrative-wise if one of them only now started showing feelings for another. I think it'd be better to have one of them fall in love with a supporting character, like if Fluttershy and Tree Hugger started going out with each other or something.

When it comes to romance for the sake of kids, I think that'd work better with the CMC and/or Spike, anyway. They're growing up now and it makes sense that this'd be the time in their life when they'd start having deeper feelings for someone else. Using one or more of the CMC to teach that it's okay to feel that way about someone not of a different gender than you would be a great thing for kids growing up alongside FiM.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:59 am

Bremen wrote:Yeah, I pretty much agree. I'd love to see a same sex couple in FiM, but I'd prefer it not be RD.


I agree that the tomboy with short rainbow hair being gay wouldn't exactly be the most 'no see LGBT people are just like anyone else' message but doesn't this kinda thinking run into the risk of setting up 'bad' members of the community? Like how for a non-zero amount of gay guys 'femme' gays are something to be made fun of and all? Like, I don't think this is a wrong place to be, it's clearly coming from a positive place, but I really don't like the idea that somehow there's a kind of minority to avoid being.
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Postby Dal (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:15 am

Dash being gay would actually be pretty cool. She is an awesome athlete, friend, and all around cool girl who would be a great role model. Too bad most people can't look beyond OMG TOMBOY!! OMG RAINBOW HAIR!! STEREOTYPE!!!!! :byopinkie:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:43 am

shotgunbadger wrote:
I agree that the tomboy with short rainbow hair being gay wouldn't exactly be the most 'no see LGBT people are just like anyone else' message but doesn't this kinda thinking run into the risk of setting up 'bad' members of the community? Like how for a non-zero amount of gay guys 'femme' gays are something to be made fun of and all? Like, I don't think this is a wrong place to be, it's clearly coming from a positive place, but I really don't like the idea that somehow there's a kind of minority to avoid being.


I'm not sure I quite get what you mean? I'm opposed to RD being "the lesbian one" exactly to avoid that sort of stereotyping. The idea that being tomboyish or athletic is tied with sexuality is a harmful one to both groups.

If it were, say, Lyra and Bon Bon, or Fluttershy and Tree Hugger, I think it would be a much more positive message of "Lesbians are just normal people." It sounds like you're implying I was saying that there's something somehow "wrong" with a tomboy being a lesbian, when it's more I was opposed to the show just using the tomboy as a token lesbian and perpetuating the stereotype.
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Postby Pingcode (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:31 am

Bremen wrote:
I'm not sure I quite get what you mean? I'm opposed to RD being "the lesbian one" exactly to avoid that sort of stereotyping. The idea that being tomboyish or athletic is tied with sexuality is a harmful one to both groups.

If it were, say, Lyra and Bon Bon, or Fluttershy and Tree Hugger, I think it would be a much more positive message of "Lesbians are just normal people." It sounds like you're implying I was saying that there's something somehow "wrong" with a tomboy being a lesbian, when it's more I was opposed to the show just using the tomboy as a token lesbian and perpetuating the stereotype.


IMO, the best normalising thing would be having a character proposition Rainbow Dash or something and have her knock them back. Like, just 'Sorry, X, I'm just not into mares. Friends? Friends.' Explore it, pick it apart, and then bring things back into normalcy.

Because realistically, that's the crisis that's going to hit any of the queer folk and their friends in the audience. Your friend comes out as queer, it's weird, it's awkward, but in the end it's no different and while there's inevitably an adjustment period they're still the same friends they were before they came out to you.

Don't even bother pairing off the one that comes out, friendship circle remains as it was, no huge world shattering event, life goes on.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:56 pm

Bremen wrote:
I'm not sure I quite get what you mean? I'm opposed to RD being "the lesbian one" exactly to avoid that sort of stereotyping. The idea that being tomboyish or athletic is tied with sexuality is a harmful one to both groups.

If it were, say, Lyra and Bon Bon, or Fluttershy and Tree Hugger, I think it would be a much more positive message of "Lesbians are just normal people." It sounds like you're implying I was saying that there's something somehow "wrong" with a tomboy being a lesbian, when it's more I was opposed to the show just using the tomboy as a token lesbian and perpetuating the stereotype.


Right, my issue is that it's somehow being said that suddenly representation stops counting if they tick off too many of what you view as stereotypical traits.

Like, this would make more sense if we're talking about Butchy McFieldhockey, the female character introduced with no traits other than 'likes sports' and 'has short hair' before she was revealed as 'the gay one', but honestly I kinda think boiling a character who's had shit for six seasons at this point down to 'oh yea make the jock a lesbian I guess' is super regressive.
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