S05E25-26: The Cutie Re-Mark

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Re: S05E25-26: The Cutie Re-Mark

Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:27 am

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Not a competition, but "friend moved away" seems an incredibly petty reason for what Starlight did. I just can't feel much sympathy.


Fair enough. I mean, ultimately she still has a history as a total, deluded asshole given what she pulled in her little Equalitown. If she wasn't such a pathetic mess by the end, it'd be harder for me to sympathise.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:28 am

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The real message of the episode is that Twist is a paragon of virtue.

Everyday is Twistmas. :idea:
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:32 am

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I liked this closing as well. I guess I'm sentimental, but I like it when Pony (or any show) makes the viewer feel they're part of the moment. They seem to be saying "Thanks for watching, friends." :allears:

Interesting, so many eyes staring at me makes it feel uncanny to me. :ponder:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:34 am

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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:38 am

Startlight is an OP Unicorn that can go toe-to-toe with the wielder of the element of magic an not break a sweat.


:ponynet: Um, actually, Starlight was visibly as exhausted as Twilight after their first real back-and-forth magic fight. :ponynet:

I don't think Starlight is being OP in this episode. She presumably spent all this time plotting a way for revenge, as was being teased. Finding and using a powerful spell that fucks stuff up made by a more powerful wizard isn't without precedent ( :-I ).

She does go toe-to-toe with Twilight, but most of the time that involved a lot of underhandedness (catching Twilight off guard, evading, not engaging Twilight directly like with that "I'm going to stop these bullies" timeline).

She only really fights Twilight the one-time, after Twilight goes through a whole bunch of shit, and she is as unable to get through Twilight's defences as Twilight's is for hers. Twilight also isn't necessarily that good at combat magic on her own; keep in mind she usually gets a power boost from her friends (or the princesses last season) and doesn't fight much.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:38 am

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I really like her mane :ohboy: in this shot.


Also interesting to see Twilight having a "rematch" of sorts with Nightmare Moon—not that NMM would remember the first one, but seeing how differently Twilight approaches it with all she's been through, it's kind of funny how much of a scrub NMM seems to be. :-/ "Oh please, you aren't even the weirdest thing I've seen since lunch."
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:44 am

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I really like her mane :ohboy: in this shot.


Also interesting to see Twilight having a "rematch" of sorts with Nightmare Moon—not that NMM would remember the first one, but seeing how differently Twilight approaches it with all she's been through, it's kind of funny how much of a scrub NMM seems to be. :-/ "Oh please, you aren't even the weirdest thing I've seen since lunch."

How did she approach it differently? I was thinking how neat it was that she does the same thing. She warps around.
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Postby stonecutter (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:52 am

Fun episodes. Now the long wait for next season.

Nice of the animators to give the wings back to that filly who was watching the pegasus race.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:53 am

I guess I meant more just in how much more confident Twilight is. She doesn't waste any time cowering or freaking out, she just rolls her eyes and plows in.

I thought at least she'd move to shut Spike up before he blurted out Celestia's name (surely a capital offense in the NLR :moonie: )
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:12 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:"Well, that didn't work."

(The story is not postable here.)


This is it, yes. The story itself goes into dark territory which is what makes it non-postable, but it's a Groundhog-day style story with Twilight in a Changeling invasion, and every loop begins with Spike uttering "Well, that didn't work."

The fact it's in the finale is itself innocuous, except that the future it's said in is the Changeling future, so it's just a miiighty fine coincidence.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:23 am

A couple of little animation things I liked:

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I love this sorta super-slow-motion thing they do in fight scenes sometimes. Last instance I can remember is Canterlot Wedding, but it may have shown up since.

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I love the silhouette bits too. The one in "Smile" is probably the one that leaps to mind first, but I'm sure this one has been done again as well.

EDIT: Also holy crap, is that Fluttershy getting wiped out at the far right of that shot?
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Postby Brunellus (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:39 am

PaulloDEC wrote:EDIT: Also holy crap, is that Fluttershy getting wiped out at the far right of that shot?

Yeah, she's eating it pretty bad there.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:40 am

The "Discover FAMILY" bug on that image is really fucking me up. :lol:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:43 am

Brunellus wrote:Yeah, she's eating it pretty bad there.


Chrysalis-timeline Fluttershy confirmed deceased.

Headless Horse wrote:The "Discover FAMILY" bug on that image is really fucking me up. :lol:


Family entertainment y'all. Hope nobody here liked that shy yellow pony, by the way.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:47 am

It does look like Fluttershy trips on the logo.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:49 am

I loved this episode. I loved all the alternate story lines. I love the idea that ponies can get real dark, real fast if they have too. I love Starlight's motivation and how it tied into Twilight's explanation of how every small thing causes big changes in the future. Starlight's childhood friend leaving her was just a small thing but over time it grew to consumed her. I wonder if she became so good at magic because she wanted to catch up to Sunbrust? :ponder:

What I was hoping for at the end was that all the villains fighting each other in a dead land. I got the dead land so it was it wasn't to bad. :allears:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:57 am

Let's do this thing -- this crazy thing that we call :ponydrugs:. Let's do it!

  • Twilight's right. Celestia never uses notecards (though off-camera teleprompters are not out of the realm of possibility).
  • Ha, the CMC are going down in magico-medical history. Also, hi Moondancer!
  • A group picture with Spike in it?! It's like I don't even recognize this show anymore.
  • :-D
  • Looks like Twilight's still got a touch of post-S5 premier stress disorder.
  • See, this ... this is why you lock your doors. There's some crazy ponies out there!
  • Starlight must want to be followed, otherwise leaving that spell behind was the dumbest thing she's ever done. :-/
  • Hey, maybe Starlight is Starswirl's great-great-etc. granddaughter.
  • You show that rock who's boss, Rarity!
  • The Crystal Empire is huge? Is King Sombra back? Will he get some dialogue this time?
  • Oh no, Sweet Apple Acres is efficient! Everything's gone topsy-turvy!
  • Rarity will lead the most fabulous resistance.
  • After five seasons, PONY WAR. And lo, the seas shall run red with fanfic.
  • Scarred-up Dash with a chunk out of her ear! She's the Bigwig of Equestria!
  • Okay, but how is it not eternal night though?
  • Starlight is such a jerk, that's what makes her so great. She's got no patience for Twilight's shit.
  • Alt-AJ didn't seem to notice Twi being an alicorn, but it's nice that Kid Dash did.
  • Ha ha, it's changeling world!
  • :iamapony: My Little Pony ...
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:06 am

I think my favorite part was when Twilight accidentally froze Rainbow Dash and she got the sarcastic clap from Starlight Glimmer. :golfclop:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:11 am

Also Twilight being hilariously creepy to Kid Dash. :-I
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:15 am

Headless Horse wrote:Also Twilight being hilariously creepy to Kid Dash. :-I


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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:16 am

Stuff in the past was the best part of the episode. Best visuals, best faces, and we got to see filly Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:30 am

On to Part Two: Twilight Surely Continues Fucking Up.
  • Damn, what I wouldn't give for a changeling world version of the credits.
  • Okay. Zecora's smart but I didn't know she had a PhD in temporal mechanics too.
  • Having Chrysalis back, even if for a moment, is all I've wanted from life. :allears:
  • Ah, eternal night finally. It actually looks pretty nice!
  • Twilight's slipping into rhyme without realizing it! :doomed:
  • :moonie: "Corporal Dash, don't take off your helmet on duty, how many freaking times have we been over this."
  • So let's see, what's left. Discord World, Tirek World, and Bon-Bon Had to Stop the Bugbear Herself World.
  • Man, I feel bad for Starlight: the universe is screwing her out of a decent revenge.
  • But at least she gets a song!
  • I wonder what she's going to do now. Also I wonder what her Dougworld version is up to.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:42 am

Pony is set in the dark timeline where the Applebloom/Twist friendship fell apart. The world is actually supposed to be even better.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:08 am

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FINALLY :scheming:

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:plonk: MY FANFICTIONS :plonk:

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Also I love how the scenes in Cloudsdale all played out like Edge of Tomorrow where they started predicting and countering each other's moves in increasingly elaborate ways
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:15 am

After watching the first part this song feels strangely appropriate.

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Postby SneakHorse (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:48 am

Just caught the finale now, thought it was awesome.

I agree with others who thought that Starlight's backstory was kinda' skimpy though. The premise itself is fine but just having one scene explain everything, when you've had three and a half episodes of Starlight being a megalomaniac asshole...it seemed kinda' light. Though devoting more time to that would've taken away from the awesome alternate timeline stuff, so maybe it was a fair trade.

Speaking of which, man that stuff was fun. The war against King Sombra was pretty grim as far as the show goes, and retroactively gives him a bit more presence as a villain, since we get a clear view of just what his return would've meant for all of Equestria. The Chrysallis stuff was also really cool and made Zecora feel important for the first time in forever. The best moment for me though was Twilight and Spike getting to the Tirek-controlled timeline and just "nope"ing right the hell out of there.

The flashback (if you can call it that) fight scenes were also really well done. They can't compare to the almost Dragonball-ish fight scenes of last season's finale but they were still pretty cool.

Overall, as I said, awesome. Can't wait for Season 6. And that final cast shot was a perfect closer, even if it kinda' reminded me of the ending of The Shining.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:56 am

Well, I just got to see this. I actually really liked it, too. Between this and Amending Fences, we've seen two drastically different ways that people can react when they've been wronged socially. In Moondancer's case, she became withdrawn and backed away from any sort of socialization, whereas here we saw someone who chose a more vengeful, more vindictive path in life. Given the circumstances, even though she's a magical unicorn, I can still sympathize with Starlight. She still feels like what a real human might do after making all the wrong choices in life, whereas past villains (a cursed princess consumed by her own jealousy, a god of chaos with absolutely no consideration for the desires of anyone other than himself, a magical parasite devoid of love, pure evil and shadow incarnated as a pony, and a literal centaur demon who escaped imprisonment in the underworld) have nearly all been too larger-than-life to feel relatable on any personal level.

The time travel didn't feel wrong to me. I mean, we know Equestria has heroes other than the Mane Six (see Daring Don't, for example). In these alternate timelines, is it not possible that some other pony or group of ponies was able to rise up and defeat some of these villains, but not all the same ones that Twilight and her friends defeated? That's how I saw it, at least, that in each of those timelines, they did not play out exactly the same as, but still perhaps initially similar to, the main timeline we all know and love. I'm still curious as to how that last world of death and emptiness came to be, though.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:35 am

Oh yeah, one more thing: To me this episode really didn't feel dark in the same way as Twilight's Kingdom, since while the individual scenarios were obviously grim, they also obviously weren't what was really going to happen in the end. However, in Twilight's Kingdom, Tirek destroying the world was a very real possibility. As such, given that lack of actualization, I found myself laughing a bit at the alternate futures presented here. Of course Equestria would never get into a years-long war where Rainbow Dash loses a wing and Pinkie and Maud tag-team boulders. Of course Nightmare Moon isn't going to win and plunge the land in eternal darkness as she promised. As such, in this context, I don't see anything wrong with the show giving us these what-ifs. All that actually hangs in the balance is Starlight Glimmer, not the fate of the world as we had in past finales.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:30 am

BTW, does this win dumbest title for a 2-parter yet?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:36 am

Headless Horse wrote:BTW, does this win dumbest title for a 2-parter yet?


Season 4 went with the super literal titles. So no.
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Postby Brunellus (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:10 am

Did anyone else wonder about the conspicuous concealment of cutie marks in the alternate timelines?
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Postby Lorce (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:56 am


Nice detail there for her to be the only one without the paintmarks on her. ^^
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:01 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Oh yeah, one more thing: To me this episode really didn't feel dark in the same way as Twilight's Kingdom, since while the individual scenarios were obviously grim, they also obviously weren't what was really going to happen in the end. However, in Twilight's Kingdom, Tirek destroying the world was a very real possibility. As such, given that lack of actualization, I found myself laughing a bit at the alternate futures presented here. Of course Equestria would never get into a years-long war where Rainbow Dash loses a wing and Pinkie and Maud tag-team boulders. Of course Nightmare Moon isn't going to win and plunge the land in eternal darkness as she promised. As such, in this context, I don't see anything wrong with the show giving us these what-ifs. All that actually hangs in the balance is Starlight Glimmer, not the fate of the world as we had in past finales.


This is a good point. This episode is the perfect opportunity (maybe really the only opportunity) to really push the boundaries this far and get away with it. It's neat getting to see what they decided to do with that.

I mean, when you think about it, Rainbow Dash has a prosthetic wing - her appendage was removed from her body one way or another - that's kinda extremely dark for the children's cartoon My Little Pony. :black101:

Maybe it's just me. The idea of amputation of any kind gets my stomach turning, especially on a cute pony character. :ngh:
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Postby Gnot Syndrome (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:50 am

Also, is this the first time Chrysalis has been mentioned by name in the show?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:30 am

Gnot Syndrome wrote:I mean, when you think about it, Rainbow Dash has a prosthetic wing - her appendage was removed from her body one way or another - that's kinda extremely dark for the children's cartoon My Little Pony. :black101:

Maybe it's just me. The idea of amputation of any kind gets my stomach turning, especially on a cute pony character. :ngh:

It's sad (esp. if it's a wartime tragedy, as was implied here) but it's also a thing that happens to real people. For as brief a glimpse of it as we got, I think it's nice that Rainbow Dash was still kicking ass with it instead of being stuck in a maudlin woe-is-me sort of thing. I'd rather have the show provide this sort of representation than to pretend that disabilities don't happen.

Of course, it's possible that this was a poor representation and I'm not in a position to see that since I've never had a disabling injury like that. If there's someone who has had to personally deal with that sort of thing, I'd certainly rather hear your thoughts on this instead of talking like this and possibly drowning you out.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:34 am

PaulloDEC wrote:
EDIT: Also holy crap, is that Fluttershy getting wiped out at the far right of that shot?


She's dead, she went down like a sack of potatoes :saddershy:

Pretty good overall, the Chrysalis timeline bit was clearly the best of the alternate timelines, yeah the Flim and Flam one didn't make too much sense but at least they had a nice pair of fluffy dice in the cab of their machine. :gotcha:

Starlight's motivation and subsequent redemption weren't the greatest but they were never going to be really. :pinkieshrug:

It'll be interesting exactly what mentor Twilight has in store for her student in S6 (I'm sure they'll adress the issue of Starlight fairly early on, if not the premiere then S603). The question is will she be on the same level as the Mane 6, Spike and the CMC, or will she be more like Discord or Maud.

Did anyone else think that Nightmare Moon's face had a bit of a feline appearance in some of those shots?

"Each world is even worse than the last" Was the NMM one really worse than the Chrysalis or Sombra ones? :eyebrow:
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Postby UnintelGen (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:48 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:"Each world is even worse than the last" Was the NMM one really worse than the Chrysalis or Sombra ones? :eyebrow:


Sombra's was an active war with no decided winner, Chrysalis was the winner of a previous war and was wiping out resistance, and NMM lived in absolute rule, no resistance to speak of. Of course, as Sombra's timeline was the first one we saw, and the longest one, we get a much better (and grimmer) picture. It's also the one most grounded in... Reality, in a way.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:26 pm

Brunellus wrote:Did anyone else wonder about the conspicuous concealment of cutie marks in the alternate timelines?

Except Raritys was clearly visible in the Nightmare Moon scenario. Pinkies can partly be seen in the Changeling scenario under the salve..


It definatly would have been better for twilight to have been able to show Starlight one of the dystopian futures, and not just the apocalypse. ...
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:31 pm

I can't believe it took Twilight that long to even try and tell Starlight about the future.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:58 pm

You know what the most interesting part about Starlight's not-really-that-tragic past event? She's proof herself that friendship is a source of power. Imagine if she hadn't been under that stack of imminently collapsing books, or if it had been some other filly or colt in a schoolyard. There's a good chance that Sunburst's motion to act would not have resulted in his sudden burst of power. The force of will is strong (as shown many a time by the Mane 6 in like every 2-parter), and Sunburst's best friend being in danger was enough to push his force of will to tap that potential magic ability he had, which ended up spurring his cutie mark to appear. If Starlight had focused on that instead of his immediate going away, she would have quickly realized how wrong she had been.
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