S04E18: Maud Pie

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:37 pm

InC wrote: :wat: Oh, yes, of course, I just [indescribable Tabitha noises]

Image Oh, yes! Of course. I just meant... th-th-the frock th- d-doesn't spea--dabtphh...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:39 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Even if it was gag-driven, there was the entire dynamic of Pinkie trying to fit a square peg in a round hole socially, as well as the rest of the Mane 6 knowing Pinkie wouldn't taking it well and feeling bad afterwards.

Yeah, there was lots of this too. I thought it was both funny and also rather sad how the other five had to step around Pinkie when it came to the issue of Maud.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:59 pm

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Is that... JJ Abrams style shaky-cam? :gotcha:


This was one hell of an episode. It's "disruptive" in that way that only a new writer can really pull off apparently, and funny as heck to boot. What's interesting to me is the texture of the humor—as others have said, it's not laugh-out-loud comedy the way most of the show is, but it's all awkward pauses and interpersonal discomfort: the kinds of things you find in more traditional sitcom humor. "Dry humor" is one way of describing it, but I think another way is that it's the kind of thing you get by trying to mash up Pony's traditionally gag-oriented style with the sort of character interaction humor that happens in live-action when GUEST STAR JOHN MALKOVICH or whoever shows up for a week. I don't know if one of the regular writers would have been comfortable enough with the idea to really go all-out with it.

I'm honestly surprised at how well it worked, because I've always been sure that what makes the show go is its unique brand of cynicism-free optimism and positivity, which sets it so far apart from so many other shows out there. Really maybe what it boils down to is that whatever kind of writing they decide to apply to a given episode, the things we can always count on are there—Rarity's there at the picnic making little self-deprecating tutting noises whenever she tilts her head down and another giant diamond falls off her hat, as just one example of a detail that other cartoons simply wouldn't even bother to brainstorm, let alone script and board and voice and animate.

The music continues to wow me this season. I love that they seem willing lately to just do a nice long slow scene with an extended music cue, like the train station scene here or the establishing shots of the farm in Somepony to Watch Over Me, or all the lingering panning shots in Filli Vanilli. (Oh god now that I list these out, it really becomes apparent that there's one hell of a lot of great episodes this season that I'm going to love rewatching.)

One thing I couldn't help but think about, though: they've kind of crossed a Rubicon of sorts with the "rock farm" concept not just being a crazy nonsense joke that was thrown into a flashback so the CMCs can be unsure of whether or not to even believe it. I'm not too sure how I feel about it, honestly. Part of me wanted it to remain something so ludicrous in-universe that there wasn't any way in hell that was Pinkie's real backstory. Having it become unequivocably real does take away a little bit from the out-of-left-field nature of the joke in Cutie Mark Chronicles, and I think it detracts a bit from that episode's rewatchability, which is a shame—because I distinctly remember that the very words ROCK FARM were sort of at the center of my incoherent garbled gibbering about why the second half of S1 was such a revelation to an entertainment-starved 2011 me. And the more times they repeat the words ROCK or ROCK FARM, the more of that spontaneous, uncut magic seeps out of them.

That said, I think they've handled it as well as they possibly could have, given the decision to have crossed that Rubicon in the first place (which really happened in Magic Duel I guess). They've carefully kept from answering too many questions about the nature of rock farming, and they've left open wide new avenues for speculation, what with Maud chowing down on a rock with nary a complaint, and all her crazy earth-pony physical abilities (pictured above). Okay, so she writes poetry about rocks sleeping in the ground. That doesn't demystify rock farming, it only makes it weirder. And I love it.

Okay, so yeah, this ep does feel "laundry-listy" in the sense that all the ponies are there and they have to do a scene with each of them. But it's not like that hasn't been a marquee feature of half the episodes in S1 and quite a few afterwards. Most of the comedy comes from those scenes, though the trick in laundry-list scenes like those is in keeping from from being predictable. If you ask me, they did that admirably, what with the dishrag thing, the "smash the apples with a rock" thing, the spider, and all the rest. If there's a centerpiece to the episode's dialogue and character, though, it would have to be the scene at Pinkie's door where they each, one by one, confidently launch into an attempt to break the news to Pinkie that they're not all clicking as friends—but each one loses her nerve a few words in and can't bring herself to finish. It's heartbreaking in its own way even before we see deflated-hair Pinkie putting on a brave face and dragging the door shut with her teeth. In some ways that's even more intense than any of the past Pinkie sad-breaks we've seen in the past, because now we're seeing her handling it maturely and self-consciously, to the point where she tries get in a little bit of a passive-aggressive jab via what she tries to make sound like a conciliatory statement of understanding. That line about "200 pounds of rock candy" has the weight of 86 episodes of aggressively-cheerful Pinkie behind it, and knowing that she's probably matured enough that she really means that's the only difficulty she'll have to deal with (as opposed to flipping out and disowning her friends for their betrayal of her or whatever, as she might have in the past) would make me feel all the more terrible if I were Twilight or Rarity or Fluttershy.

The only other niggling feeling I have is that the "rock candy necklaces" thing felt almost like one of those G3 specials, didn't it? Like the episode was flirting with doing a "Hey kids, here's how to do a fun activity with your friends! Get some paper plates and dry macaroni and white glue and glitter, and..."

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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:15 am

That was a :tom: solid episode. Jokes aside, while it wasn’t better than the other two Pinkie episodes this season I can’t find any notable flaws in the episode. All the characters were on point, conflict/moral was very natural and believable, comedy was great( every time I thought the dry, awkward scenes would get old they didn’t), and Maud was amazing. I like that Maud was a character who obviously cares despite not showing much emotion, it would have been very easy to make her act like that because she didn’t like her sister’s antics or was too stuck up to relate to anyone.

The way she thanks the Mane 5 for supporting Pinkie gives the impression that she’s gone through similar situations before, gotten used to ponies not understanding her and was happy that they were able to find some common ground and respect her differences.
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Postby MasterOfKnees (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:48 am

This was an odd one. The humor was quite different from what we usually get from this show. I wouldn't call it refreshing, but it's not bad either, it's just a bit bizarre. However, while it does end up being a really sweet episode, it is a bit heavy to watch, and I'm not sure how well it'll hold up watching multiple times. It's a pretty neat episode in general though, not phenomenal but it still stands out a lot. Pinkie keeps on being really likeable this season too, she really steals the show.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:52 am

Also lemme second this:

Doctor Wheeze wrote:Pinkie Pie's idea of Rarity's interests is "shiny things" :amazing:


That plus "forest things! :-P " —that's some first-rate Pinkie right there. The kind where you're just not sure whether she reeeeeally "gets" her friends and has that preternatural understanding of all of them that lets her always know what makes each of them happy, or if she's just got such a winning personality that everyone always just reacts to her the way they know she wants them to react—i.e. humoring her (but doing it willingly, because they love to see her smile)?
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:56 am

Maud is the best pony.

I demand a Maud Rocks gangtag.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:00 am

I think, personally speaking, the only thing I have to vaugly complain about with this episode is I dont have much to say about it, I liked it, I loved Maud, this was just a " heres a season 4 ep with a quasi season 1 feel with a slightly more complex moral lesson then A season 1 ep might have"


... If that makes any sense.

Also I love Maud and want to see more of her, but im not really sure how they could use her again without it feeling forced like some said Trixies return was.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:00 am

Fantastic episode, easily in my top 3 of the season. All because Maud fucking owns. I'm also glad the geologists finally got some representation in this show, and also it isn't fantastically far off. :awkward:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:02 am

Frosthawk wrote:Fantastic episode, easily in my top 3 of the season. All because Maud fucking owns. I'm also glad the geologists finally got some representation in this show, and also it isn't fantastically far off. :awkward:

Sediment is so sedimentary. :-I
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:18 am

Oh man, I really need to rewatch to get into it properly on here, but man that was such a sweet episode :allears:

In its own way too. It's a great MLP rendition of a Daria character because it actually ha her show her feelings, in her own way.

I indulged my terrible habit of trying to skim-read parts of this thread and jumping down quickly if there was anything plot related being discussed, and I got in advance that some people thought it was the same scenario tried different ways as Maude spends time with each person and I get that, but the pay-off of Maude saving her sister and giving her this tender unsmiling hug was so, so rad.

The last ten minutes were so tender in such an understated way, and I loved it :shenanigans:

Dash was amazing, everyone was written great, and I laughed at Maude's "I don't show my happiness in quite the same as my sister" while Pinkie's cartwheeling around in the background like a fuckin' goofball as I've laughed at anything in the show.

Oh man, and Dash's "Igneous is a kind of rock. Ask me how I know that" was amazing.

I was so surprised by how heartwarming I found the whole final act given how gag-heavy the premise was. Great episode :ponydrugs:

P.S. it was great that they didn't have Maude change at all at the end. And "I don't really like candy. But I love Pinkie Pie" was so great. And she kept the necklaces! It wasn't just to make Pinkie happy, she genuinely valued them and saved them because they represented the bond she has with her sister and and and :cry:

P.P.S. submitting whatever the hell noise that was Tabitha makes after Maude's "they don't speak. They're clothes" broadside for the next Rarity sounds video.

P.P.S. (godammit Tears shut up edition postscript): The sad Pinkie section was pretty wrenching too, because we see joyful Pinkie a lot, and we see sad Pinkie sometimes, but we don't see "trying to deal with a pretty major disappointment" Pinkie ever. Like her world hasn't fallen apart but it's still a Pinkie's exuberant expectations smacking straight into the wall of what's actually happening. And then her ludicrous scheme to make everyone friends. Goddammit.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:19 am

Frosthawk wrote:Fantastic episode, easily in my top 3 of the season. All because Maud fucking owns. I'm also glad the geologists finally got some representation in this show, and also it isn't fantastically far off. :awkward:

Do you and your coworkers eat rocks? Honest question.
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:23 am

Headless Horse wrote:

I'm honestly surprised at how well it worked, because I've always been sure that what makes the show go is its unique brand of cynicism-free optimism and positivity


I think it's because it's a Daria (or more Jane Lane? I need to consult the scriptures)-type character is filtered through pone in a way that the pone aspect is dominant. So it's tender and loving in the midst of being standoffish and dry. Maude is gooey as anything else in the show, but in a Maude way :allears:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:23 am

:sweetielarm: :sweetielarm:

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:fluttercite: IT'S A ROCK!!! :fluttercite:
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:25 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Do you and your coworkers eat rocks? Honest question.


How else would you be able to quickly distinguish a siltstone from a shale, or calcite crystals from halite? :spike101:



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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:36 am

Wayoshi wrote: :fluttercite: IT'S A ROCK!!! :fluttercite:


Despite having thought about what it could be and if they intended to not show it, I'm not surprised at all. Image
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Postby BartonFink (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:47 am

After the last two weeks left me a bit dry, I thought this was great! I have a preference for the type of low-key awkward comedy that defined the first two acts, and an admitted soft spot for it. So yeah maybe the gag went on a beat long or two, I don't really care, I love this stuff, I could watch Twilight awkwardly reacting to rock poetry for an entire season if they made it.

It was also great since the show hasn't really gone into this territory before. Part of the appeal of the show for me from the get-go has been the "they went there" factor (remember seeing "Lesson Zero" the first time), and in season 4 I had kind of come to accept it's just not fair to expect them to be able to tread new ground in the same way they could ~20 episodes in. But boom, now they're finding comedy in awkward pauses in Rarity's reaction to Maud's fashion sense and it seems like Squigglevision could click in any minute.

I was actually worried they couldn't find a good note to end on, but I absolutely loved the fact that Maud doesn't really care about rock candy. Ties in perfectly to the gang's struggle for finding the right mix of empathy and honesty with Pinkie, and shows that Maud really cares underneath her exterior personality, beyond just having the exposition from the previous scene. It's such a nice way to bring everything together, and done without breaking Maud's characterization!!! Good job new writer!!!


So great stuff here, Pinkie episodes have been quite good this season.

Tears wrote:P.P.S. (godammit Tears shut up edition postscript): The sad Pinkie section was pretty wrenching too, because we see joyful Pinkie a lot, and we see sad Pinkie sometimes, but we don't see "trying to deal with a pretty major disappointment" Pinkie ever. Like her world hasn't fallen apart but it's still a Pinkie's exuberant expectations smacking straight into the wall of what's actually happening. And then her ludicrous scheme to make everyone friends. Goddammit.


This was really well handled too, I thought it was a good usage of the puffy hair factor without bringing attention to itself. I also like how Pinkie was still trying to be nice about it, but just wasn't doing a good job because she was bummed out. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Tears (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:55 am

BartonFink wrote:
I was actually worried they couldn't find a good note to end on, but I absolutely loved the fact that Maud doesn't really care about rock candy.


Yes! It is such a great capper, and even while I was babbling about how great it was I don't think I gave it quite enough credit for how masterfully it tied everything about the episode together into a nice little bow. Really tender without being too showy about it. Perfect :allears:
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:59 am

I enjoyed this episode. I'm not sure if I have much to say about it, though, which is I suppose is appropriate considering Maud's personality. I like that all of the Pie family seems to exist only in extremes, and I do have a soft spot for Maud's style of sheer unrelenting apathy. Girl has exactly one interest and zero need for any others.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:00 am

:-I It's all clear to me girls. The one thing that unites the 5 of us and Maud.

:spoiler: We can all put up with Pinkie Pie.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:04 am

I was quite happy with this episode until I read this thread, now I can't stop picturing Rarity geeking out about gemstones while Maud gives 0 fucks. It's killing me :v:

I liked how Twi steps on a bunch of rocks in the cold open and she doesn't care. Because she has hooves. They're horses, you see :spoiler:

...And I love how every Maud line in the MLP wiki transcript has [Deadpan] at the start :gotcha:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:14 am

This episode was pretty good.


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Although I'm not really into ponies.
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Postby FightingDreamer (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:24 am

Great episode, easily one of the best of the season.

Animation detail that's killing me: the way Maud's eyes widen ever-so-slightly as she says "wayyyyyy more intense". It's just that slight uptick in energy that somehow makes it hilarious.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:34 am

Enjoyed this one a bunch :-P

And of course Rarity and Maud couldn't bond over gems because Maud is interested in rocks, not gems! They're obviously two very different fields of study :snobtavia:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:37 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:I liked how Twi steps on a bunch of rocks in the cold open and she doesn't care. Because she has hooves. They're horses, you see :spoiler:

Horses still have tender, fleshy parts on the undersides of their feet. The hoof is more like an outer wall of keratin around their one toe, really. Back in Magic Duel we saw Rarity poke herself in that spot with a needle.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:38 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Horses still have tender, fleshy parts on the undersides of their feet. The hoof is more like an outer wall of keratin around their one toe, really. Back in Magic Duel we saw Rarity poke herself in that spot with a needle.


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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:39 am

Awwsh, such a fun and adorable episode. :allears:
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Postby acksed (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:44 am

I'm sorry, I cannot be moderate or neutral about this, I loved this episode. Because they basically made a pony version of Father Stone:


And bounced her off the Mane 6 and made her sympathetic and made a good moral. :allears:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:06 am

And so the fanart comes pouring in. Every crossover you can think of will be done by Monday:

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Maud-440655571 (there you go :-P )

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Postby ThunderBunny (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:15 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:
My whole life has been a lie.


It's why horses need to be shod to be ridden in most cases. :)

As for the episode, I loved it. I don't even know what else to say about it. It was just solid all the way around.
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:28 am

Finally got to see this episode. Holy shit, I loved it. It felt rather unusual for pony, but somehow it worked. A nice low-key episode with a slow pace to suit the new character, punctuated by some hilariously Pony moments, with a good story/lesson. I can't think of much to comment on right now, except that I was really happy when Maud donned the Pickelhaube. As soon as I saw it sitting there, I hoped she would. :awesomedash: Maud is pretty great. We simply must have that (lack of) emote implemented.

Man, all of Pinkie Pie's episodes have been really good this season.

Edit: Oh, I thought of something else to say. I really loved how this new writer handled Rainbow Dash. It felt like she was back to her old self: awesome and kind of a jerk. In other words, the best Dash. :v: Nice and considerate Dash only works in small doses.
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:08 am

Maud was literally everything I thought she would be: no emotion whatsoever. I was hoping for this as well. This one is up there based on the humor.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:25 am

I almost thought she'd turn out to be the show's Frank Grimes.

I've never really been big on "Homer's Enemy", but I know a lot of people think highly of it, and it wasn't out of the question for some pony writer to want to toss in a new late-stage character whose purpose is to call attention dramatically to all the crazy shit that goes down in pony world, to call out all the characters' weirdnesses and implausible quirks, and generally just bust down the fourth wall of the writer's bible.

But then, we kinda already had that, long ago, didn't we?

:spike101: Oh, okay. Let's see, there's Twilight Sparkle. She's a unicorn. Good with magic. A real brainiac. And then you got Rarity. Total knock-out. Twilight seems to think I don't even have a chance with her, but... eh, what does she know? Let's see. There's... there's Fluttershy, a Pegasus who's afraid of heights. Heh, what's up with that?
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:28 am

"Homer's Enemy" is generally regarded as the last good Simpsons episode. I consider it to be one of the best, IMO.

...actually, now I really do want to see a Pony version of that episode. I doubt it would end with the character killing himself, but it'd still be fun to watch :smirk:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:36 am

Couple thingies:

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... Maud fed Boulder. :-I

And since everyone wants it:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:49 am

that... um... :starity:

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:06 am

HOKUTO ROCK-U-RETSUKEN
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:09 am

To be honest, I've never understood or enjoyed the philosophy of stoicism and I've always found people who follow it to be...strange (ironically, the creator of the philosophy supposingly laughed himself to death). I like Maud as a character, she was hilarious and I understand how Pinkie loves her so much, but I can't see all the "BEST CHARACTER EVER"posts. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:20 am

The Ghost Of Ember wrote:Maud is the best pony.

I demand a Maud Rocks gangtag.

Yes please. Rock horse best horse.
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