S06E06: No Second Prances

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S06E06: No Second Prances

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:33 pm

When Starlight Glimmer starts becoming friends with a fellow formerly-bad pony (Trixie), Twilight tries to stop her.


This thread is for discussion of the episode. This episode airs at 11:30 AM Eastern / 8:30 AM Pacific on Saturday, April 30!

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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:02 pm

I'm excited for this episode. Trixie returns, I'm happy. This feels like it will be a good episode.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:04 pm

I'm more excited for this episode than I have ever been excited for any episode.

And, heading home to visit for the weekend, so I'll see it live! I will bring great shame to the family!
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:22 pm

I'm super excited for this episode but we'll be house hunting this weekend :consternation:
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God, Twilight, butt out.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:43 pm

I know what I think about Trixie, but after two episodes and some EQG cameos I still have no idea what the show thinks about Trixie. Are we supposed to see her as malicious or just harmlessly obnoxious? Is she in need of capital-R redemption or does she just need to tone down the abuse a bit?

Basically, what I want is for this episode to leave me with an acceptably consistent picture of what Trixie's deal is. If it accomplishes that, anything else is gravy.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:19 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I know what I think about Trixie, but after two episodes and some EQG cameos I still have no idea what the show thinks about Trixie. Are we supposed to see her as malicious or just harmlessly obnoxious? Is she in need of capital-R redemption or does she just need to tone down the abuse a bit?

Basically, what I want is for this episode to leave me with an acceptably consistent picture of what Trixie's deal is. If it accomplishes that, anything else is gravy.


I think the show sees her as obnoxious and maybe a bit of a jerk, but not in any way malicious or cruel (at least when not being controlled my magic artifacts or sirens). When she actively hurt ponies in Magic Duel, she did seem honestly apologetic about it once free of the amulet's influence.

Whether the show will be consistent about that is more of a question, but I'm hopeful. At the very least the show staff have to know that Trixie has a lot of fans that probably wouldn't like it if she was suddenly overtly villainous. So I suspect the worst we'll see from her is being a jerk; maybe she's trying to buddy up to Starlight for personal gain or something, if that. More likely Twilight will turn out to be the one in the wrong here, though the show has shown it's willing to do lessons that aren't black and white (like in What About Discord) so it could be shades of both.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:49 pm

This episode will be glorious!

I hope.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:13 pm

At last after so many years Trixie comes back to the show. :yay:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:28 pm

I would like to see how they became friends. Was she just lurking outside of Ponyville this entire time or what?
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:35 pm

Didn't we already do this?

The premise sounds cool though, Starlight is great and it'll be fun seeing her interact with Trixie. Twilight's totally gonna lose her shit.
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:22 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:
Basically, what I want is for this episode to leave me with an acceptably consistent picture of what Trixie's deal is. If it accomplishes that, anything else is gravy.

This is pretty much all I want out of this episode.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:06 am

Trixie's face in that clip is a keeper. :smug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:27 am

I think Trixie is mostly just an ass who once had too much power handed to her. Too much power can do bad junk to good people, after all; see Rarity's behavior in Inspiration Manifestation. She has a particularly big grudge against Twilight, but I think there's a side of her that's still able to be nice to ponies who aren't Twilight, though that side's normally buried under her showboating and bravado.

I don't think her EqG incarnation would factor into her character here, considering how Hasbro seems to want to keep FiM and EqG apart.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:00 am

Preview is really weird. Trixie still can't be a jerk after how they parted last time.

Guess I need to wait and see, but it feels like Discord, where the comics are going to handle the redemption of Trixie a lot better than the show.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:41 am

I hope she's just a jerk. I like comic Trixie so much, especially that Manehattan crime caper. I liked her fine in the show but the comics really made me a fan. I'd totally go see her performances.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:55 am

Sidotsy wrote:I hope she's just a jerk. I like comic Trixie so much, especially that Manehattan crime caper. I liked her fine in the show but the comics really made me a fan. I'd totally go see her performances.


But she isn't really a jerk in the comics. She still has some of that arrogance, but she's clearly reformed.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:58 am

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But she isn't really a jerk in the comics. She still has some of that arrogance, but she's clearly reformed.

Well, she's arrogant and a bit of a jerk, but I think as time goes on she does lose the jerk bit. She was actually pretty friendly in the later stories, but I doubt they'll incorporate that in the show at all.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:50 am

Let's talk about how Twilight clearly doesn't use silverware because she doesn't have hands. It's the arranging she likes. :excite:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:22 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Let's talk about how Twilight clearly doesn't use silverware because she doesn't have hands. It's the arranging she likes. :excite:

Silverware is a unicorn only thing. Peasants wouldn't understand.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:51 pm



Elsewhere:

:gonkity: BLEEAAAAAARRGHHHHH
:bluh: "You all right, sugarcube? You're lookin' green around the gills."
:cry: "I felt a great disturbance ... as if thousands of table manners cried out and were suddenly silenced."
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:02 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:

Elsewhere:

:gonkity: BLEEAAAAAARRGHHHHH
:bluh: "You all right, sugarcube? You're lookin' green around the gills."
:cry: "I felt a great disturbance ... as if thousands of table manners cried out and were suddenly silenced."

HEY, maybe Twi just hadn't found the right book in her expanded library by then.

:-I this book appears to be hundreds of years old! Miss Mares Guide to Manners: a dissertation on proper Unicorn values? Wow, this is REALLY racist... a-and yet so.. organized.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:06 pm

Twilight is the sort who spends all the time in the world setting a table, checking off every last placement she could possibly think she needs, then shoves her face into a bale of hay because why bother actually cooking and messing all that up?
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:09 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Twilight is the sort who spends all the time in the world setting a table, checking off every last placement she could possibly think she needs, then shoves her face into a bale of hay because why bother actually cooking and messing all that up?

100% true, I am sure of it. If it weren't for Spike she'd be a horrible NEET.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:59 pm

Sidotsy wrote:100% true, I am sure of it. If it weren't for Spike she'd be a horrible NEET.

Is it possible to be a NEET even if you're actually highly educated? Like a grad student who just doesn't want to leave the comfortable bubble of academia?
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:45 pm

Well, Moondancer is a professional student, from all I can determine. She reads books all day and somehow that puts food on the table. :pinkieshrug: And who knows how Sunburst kept the bills paid on that sweet house?

It's the continuing mystery of how certain ponies earn a living.

Which includes Trixie, to bring it back to her! "Magic Duel" implied that her performances were her livelihood, but we never saw her pulling in any cash. She scammed a couple of kids out of a free smoothie, I guess that counts. But "Boast Busters" left me with the impression she didn't want money, her only motivation was she's Great and Powerful and everypony must know. :smug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:48 pm

We only ever saw her one ill-fated performance in Ponyville, and even then it was through a somewhat limited scope (Twilight's, Applejack's, Rarity's, and Rainbow's take on her act). Maybe she left a hat out for her audience to toss bits into, like a street musician? Then again, I imagine she thinks she's too good for that.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:53 pm

Nick Confalone, please address these and other questions in your episode, I want to learn the secrets of Trixienomics. :smug:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:00 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Nick Confalone, please address these and other questions in your episode, I want to learn the secrets of Trixienomics. :smug:

Her plan is brilliantly unknowable, akin to the Underpants Gnomes.

Everyone knows I'm great and powerful - ??? - Profit.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:28 am

I think that's the principle behind "YouTube famous".
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:23 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Is it possible to be a NEET even if you're actually highly educated? Like a grad student who just doesn't want to leave the comfortable bubble of academia?


You aren't a NEET if you're a student. Twilight is the Princess of NEETs. Also Trixie probably puts out a donation hat or sells Trixie dolls as she travels from venue to venue.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:43 am

The excitement for the return of Trixie is an interesting thing to think about. For an American animation series, FiM is rather starved for returning villains. Even though she is the most reoccurring villain in the show, debatable depending on you see Discord, that an episode about her causes this much hype. After 120 episodes this will be her third return. Consider other cartoons, like The Simpsons making a Nelson Muntz episode or the like, with over an 100 episodes bringing back their returning villains and see where the excitement is for them. It truly boggles the mind.

On a weird plus side, I think pony did good by not overusing characters and leaving them with that new car smell.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:42 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:Well, Moondancer is a professional student, from all I can determine. She reads books all day and somehow that puts food on the table. :pinkieshrug: And who knows how Sunburst kept the bills paid on that sweet house?

The Crystal "Empire" must've had some sort of land grants for settlers willing to help repopulate.

Moondancer is a grad student slave to one of her professors.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:56 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Is it possible to be a NEET even if you're actually highly educated? Like a grad student who just doesn't want to leave the comfortable bubble of academia?

NEET stands for Not in Education, Employed, or in Training. Like Sidotsy said, if you're still being a student and learning, then you're not a NEET.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:04 pm

Sidotsy wrote:Also Trixie probably puts out a donation hat or sells Trixie dolls as she travels from venue to venue.

I'd like to imagine in order to build hype for her show for bigger turn outs she gave herself the title "Great and Powerful." Bigger crowds means more Trixie dolls.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:00 am

If Trixie had a YouTube channel "like comment subscribe" would be every third sentence.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:20 am

Aramek wrote:If Trixie had a YouTube channel "like comment subscribe" would be every third sentence.

Social media would be an instant addiction that'd destroy Trixie's life. Well, either that or she'd be one of the lucky ones to actually make a living off of Facebook/YouTube/Twitter/whatever.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:38 am

Arguably, this is Trixie's third prance chance. :ponder: Well, maybe third time's the charm though!
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:20 am

Aramek wrote:I'm more excited for this episode than I have ever been excited for any episode.

And, heading home to visit for the weekend, so I'll see it live! I will bring great shame to the family!

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:27 am

Mordja wrote:If I were your parents I'd disown you.

If you'd disown him for that then what would you do when he marries a dog?
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