S04E20: For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

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Re: S04E20: For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:28 am

When Sweetie Belle is around, even the doors squeak.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:40 am

Actually, scratch what I said about singing. I just remembered that one tweet from Meghan McCarthy (the one with the list of episodes with songs) didn't include this episode. And there's no way they'd reference her singing in public without actually letting us see it, is there? :sweetiefrown:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:43 am

Wow, this is just like Sisterhooves in that it completely outlines the relationship my brother and I have. He's always keeping score, and that line about Sweetie's 5th birthday party, "Don't act like you don't remember," is exactly the kind of bitter response a smaller sibling who feels like they're in their older sibling's shadow would say. Hell, Rarity doesn't remember that birthday, or what happened, because it wasn't a big deal to her, but something happened to Sweetie Belle that day and she'll never forgive her older sister for that. I've experienced the kind of treatment Sweetie Belle is giving first-hand.

My brother and I still get along well in the end, but our disputes are the things I get worked up over more than anything else.
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Postby OptimisticNeighsayer (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:48 am

Hmm. Not exactly enough context for me to judge Sweetie Belle here.

...and for some reason, it just doesn't sound like her. (No, I'm not talking about the voice.) Why in Equestria would Sweetie Belle be so concerned about someone stealing her spotlight? She's not one for it anyways...
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:49 am

The line "Or are you trying to prove you're a better actress than me too?" seems relevant.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:53 am

kefkafloyd wrote:The line "Or are you trying to prove you're a better actress than me too?" seems relevant.


That line cuts deep. Much like Fluttershy's tear-down of Rarity's and Pinkie's character, it sounds like that kind of bottled up rage that you have boiling in the back of your mind. All those subtly annoying quirks that you ignore because you care for one another, but they're the closest and most powerful ammunition when shots start firing. I mean, just look at their parents, how could Sweetie Belle interpret how Rarity is as anything but an act?
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Postby ClaudiaZG (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:22 am

OptimisticNeighsayer wrote:Hmm. Not exactly enough context for me to judge Sweetie Belle here.

...and for some reason, it just doesn't sound like her. (No, I'm not talking about the voice.) Why in Equestria would Sweetie Belle be so concerned about someone stealing her spotlight? She's not one for it anyways...



Actually you'll see in Twilight Time that she's a filly who cares a lot about attention, maybe is the fact of being generally an ignored character or feeling ignored, usually the people (or pony ) who feel like that act like this, in Sisterhooves Social we se that the main problem was the lack of attention from Rarity to SB
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:34 am

kefkafloyd wrote:The line "Or are you trying to prove you're a better actress than me too?" seems relevant.

Or she's just saying that Rarity is acting like she doesn't remember the 5th birthday party thing. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:45 am

Wayoshi wrote:Or she's just saying that Rarity is acting like she doesn't remember the 5th birthday party thing. :pinkieshrug:

But then what would be the point of those dresses? If she's not singing, perhaps Sweetie Belle was at least performing in some sort of play, so she used that to take a shot at Rarity.
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Postby Dal (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:53 am

If this episode doesn't end with a quick flash to Celestia and Luna sharing a tender moment - like Cyrus - I'm going to smash something.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:25 am

I usually have terrible first guesses Fizz, you shouldn't have trusted me. :-P

I've seen that school play idea thrown around, or some reason for Sweetie to make dresses. Perhaps the EW clip tomorrow could shed light on this...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:34 am

I doubt she'll be making dresses herself. That's something she largely let go of after The Show Stoppers. Besides, with the way Sweetie Belle was mocking Rarity ("Oh, what amazing dresses! Oh, how I love the dresses! Ooh, dresses, dresses, dresses, dresses!") in this clip, I think dressmaking would be the farthest thing from her own mind.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:38 am

:gotcha: Sweetie Belle is going to play Little Orphan Annie and those dresses are supposed to be for the orphans.
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Postby Corpy (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:43 am

The Outlander wrote:Hell, Rarity doesn't remember that birthday, or what happened, because it wasn't a big deal to her, but something happened to Sweetie Belle that day and she'll never forgive her older sister for that.

:vogue: But for me, it was Tuesday
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:47 am

:cry: dawned on me that there's an almost certainty that Rarity at some point in this episode will be heartbroken over Sweetie Belles actions.

:vogue: or some pure, undiluted rage.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:00 am

The Doctor wrote::cry: dawned on me that there's an almost certainty that Rarity at some point in this episode will be heartbroken over Sweetie Belles actions.

:vogue: or some pure, undiluted rage.

Why not both? :starity:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:18 am

The Outlander wrote:Wow, this is just like Sisterhooves in that it completely outlines the relationship my brother and I have. He's always keeping score, and that line about Sweetie's 5th birthday party, "Don't act like you don't remember," is exactly the kind of bitter response a smaller sibling who feels like they're in their older sibling's shadow would say. Hell, Rarity doesn't remember that birthday, or what happened, because it wasn't a big deal to her, but something happened to Sweetie Belle that day and she'll never forgive her older sister for that. I've experienced the kind of treatment Sweetie Belle is giving first-hand.


Well the other thing is, I don't even say it's Rarity's fault for not remembering what happened. Not because she doesn't care for her sister, but because what happened wasn't an intention to harm her, yet Sweetie Belle saw it as. They both aren't being terrible to each other, in fact, I think they have one of the better relationships on the the show. The thing is, they just can't see what the other is seeing.

Wow, just talking about this is already making me sort of :cry: . Because I can easily see most of this with the relationship with my younger sibling. And I'm probably going to watch this and say "Yep, that happened to me." This is what I love to see in this show. Episodes that remind me of myself. And that's why I feel this will be one of the best of the season.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:21 am

Mr. Big wrote:Why not both? :starity:

Alternating, in a sinusoidal fashion.

The first time I saw "My dear Darling Sister! What have I done?!!" :gonkity:

I thought she was just being deliberately over dramatic in a kind of weird parody of herself.

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Postby Frith (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:23 am

This episode seems very promising.

I'm officially hyped for this episode :allears:
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Postby drunkill (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:40 pm

What happened at her fifth birthday party? :iiam:
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:36 pm

I'm already getting the feeling that this ep is going to build up Rarity/Sweetie's relationship more than "Somepony to Watch Over Me" did for Applejack/Apple Bloom, because they decided to play the latter episode mostly for laughs. I'm even more disappointed in that decision than before now, because imo AJ/AB could have used that sort of emotional episode more than Rarity and her sister, who already had a great one. Oh well. :fluttersmith:

Of course I'm only guessing at what this episode might be like based on what we've seen so far. Dammit, I keep telling myself I'll avoid preview material this time!
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:19 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:23 pm

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:I'm already getting the feeling that this ep is going to build up Rarity/Sweetie's relationship more than "Somepony to Watch Over Me" did for Applejack/Apple Bloom, because they decided to play the latter episode mostly for laughs. I'm even more disappointed in that decision than before now, because imo AJ/AB could have used that sort of emotional episode more than Rarity and her sister, who already had a great one. Oh well. :fluttersmith:

Of course I'm only guessing at what this episode might be like based on what we've seen so far. Dammit, I keep telling myself I'll avoid preview material this time!

At least we're getting variety with this, though. Had Applejack and Apple Bloom been duking it out (imagine: Image "Oh, what amazing apples! Oh, how I love bucking apples! Ooh, apples, apples, apples, apples!") in that episode then I think we would've been rolling our eyes at Rarity and Sweetie Belle here.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:31 pm

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:06 pm

http://family-room.ew.com/2014/03/21/my ... crusaders/

All Ponyville’s a stage in the next episode of My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic, which finds Sweetie Belle making her debut as a playwright, director, and actress. (Her play, naturally, stars the rest of the Cutie Mark Crusaders as well.) The show also features costumes made by Sweetie Belle’s older sister, designer pony extraordinaire Rarity. In fact, the outfits are so stunning that they end up getting more praise than Sweetie Belle’s own work. Oh no! What’s a filly to do?


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Postby Corpy (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:13 pm

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Postby The Outlander (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:15 pm

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Look at Scootaloo in that picture. Just look at her.

I am dead.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:29 pm

Sweetie Belle is best playwright, also it certainly makes sense why Sweetie Belle is mad at Rarity, why she mentioned acting skills, and could definitely serve as a springboard for a look at the Royal Sisters

This is looking pretty good.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:31 pm

this episode is getting better. i think when ponies are wearing dresses like that they cant really walk normally... i think i saw Sweetie walking differently... :ponder:
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Postby Corpy (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:34 pm

More ponies wearing hats to turn into emotes! :flutterhat: :fancyhat: :eyebrow: :heehaw: :notgonnadoit: :serious:

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:42 pm

Well, seeing that list, it is evident that we need a Twilight hat smiley.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:49 pm

The fact that they didn't immediately pull off their dresses to see if their cutie marks had appeared is actually a little bit surprising.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:51 pm

I can't even take it anymore. No more previews for me, see y'all after this airs. :sweetiebot:
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:52 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Or she's just saying that Rarity is acting like she doesn't remember the 5th birthday party thing. :pinkieshrug:


AHEM.

(this is going to be awesome :awesomedash: )
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:52 pm

You know what I'm really liking about this so far? They're going with something like Sisterhooves again, where neither of them are "right", and this whole thing is about lack of communication. I mean, from the looks of it, Rarity was trying to put her best work forward solely for Sweetie Belle's sake, yet Sweetie Belle saw it as trying to take the attention.

This will be the best episode of the season since RTM. :vogue:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:55 pm

Upon reading that line again, it really couldn't have been anything else. I'm not sure why I didn't fully get it...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:02 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:You know what I'm really liking about this so far? They're going with something like Sisterhooves again, where neither of them are "right", and this whole thing is about lack of communication. I mean, from the looks of it, Rarity was trying to put her best work forward solely for Sweetie Belle's sake, yet Sweetie Belle saw it as trying to take the attention.

Indeed. At this point I almost don't want the episode to waste too much time with Luna, if that would mean more time with Rarity vs. Sweetie Belle and her friends.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:05 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Indeed. At this point I almost don't want the episode to waste too much time with Luna, if that would mean more time with Rarity vs. Sweetie Belle and her friends.


I agree. I mean, I'd like to see Luna draw one or two parallels between Rarity/Celestia and Sweetie Belle/Luna, but other than that, I'd prefer her to be a side character of the episode, because I'd really love to see this be more of an episode focusing on Rarity and Sweetie Belle's relationship, not what they have in common with Celestia and Luna.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:13 pm

It's like, I always want more information and backstory (especially when it comes to an event as momentous as the fall of Luna), but now there's just so much feeling with the marshmallow sisters that I want all of that as well. WHICH DO I CHOOSE :twonk:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:14 pm

Looking like a fascinating episode indeed. :yay:

Oddly enough, Scootaloo made me think of Joan of Arc with her "modest" pose. :scootawoo:
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