S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

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Re: S05E18: Crusaders of the Lost Mark

Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:46 pm

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A truck cutie mark and a tractor cutie mark. :shutup:

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I wonder what those signs on the right say.

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A fancy meet-and-greet in Ponyville? The place is really gentrifying now that there's a castle.

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Butler, nooooooo :gonkity:

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I love that sign.

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"Mane extensions"

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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:46 pm

My actual response to seeing them get their marks and seeing what they were was to audibly say "are you fucking kidding me?". True story.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:48 pm

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they could not have half-assed any degree of individuality into them harder than they did

Their marks could have had no individuality at all. That was something that I'd always quietly feared, so I'm at least glad that did not happen.
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:50 pm

the cmc finally broke through and got their cutie marks when diamond tiara stood up to her mother

Fizzbuzz wrote:Their marks could have had no individuality at all. That was something that I'd always quietly feared, so I'm at least glad that did not happen.


they cleared the lowest bar possible, yes
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:54 pm

Better a samey one than a silly one.
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Postby Raindrops (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:56 pm

This episode made me remember why I liked the show.

Now I have to shotgun all the episodes I missed. :applejargh:
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:56 pm

Aramek wrote:Better a samey one than a silly one.


what does this even mean

who was expecting a "silly one"

"at least it was this dumb thing instead of some other unrelated dumb thing" yeah i guess??
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:57 pm

Diamond Tiara reforms! :allears:
CTC Get their marks!!! :awesomedash: :-D
Apple parents confirmed dead!!!! :amazing:
Wait.... :-I

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Maybe they just weren't there at the moment...yeah...

Seriously though, I'm a little surprised they did finally move from subtext, though this is where you might do it, assuming you're not going to do a full 'dealing with death' episode.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:01 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:
what does this even mean

who was expecting a "silly one"

"at least it was this dumb thing instead of some other unrelated dumb thing" yeah i guess??

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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:03 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:16 low-effort GP posts in a row? That's a new academy record!


i'm putting more effort into this episode than i have anything on this forum in like 2 years, sorry for wanting to actually talk about the episode i guess
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:03 pm

kc, I think you have this thread confused with the PPPP one.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:04 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:
i'm putting more effort into this episode than i have anything on this forum in like 2 years, sorry for wanting to actually talk about the episode i guess

It's fine if you don't like it, but PPPP is thataway.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:07 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:It's fine if you don't like it, but PPPP is thataway.

I dunno, redrawing their marks seems pretty effort to me. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:07 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:It's fine if you don't like it, but PPPP is thataway.


Sorry, should I capatalize everything and put it in one post? Because I don't see what's particularly shitposty about anything else I've said here. I didn't like the episode for a lot of reasons, and I rather disagree with what people are saying about it, and I choose to challenge those thoughts.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:09 pm

One more thing to enjoy about the episode: The title. I expected some sort of Dr. Jones reference at some point, but instead it was not about that at all. The crusaders are there to help those who, through unfortunate misunderstandings or terrible influences, have lost their way with regards to the true meaning of their cutie mark. Who better?
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:21 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:the cmc finally broke through and got their cutie marks when diamond tiara stood up to her mother



they cleared the lowest bar possible, yes


It's called FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC. Together as a team of friends they have not only enriched themselves but the lives of so many around them.

You know, the goddamned point of the fucking show. That friendship thing. They have turned so many lives around in the course of finding out about themselves and made their world just a little bit better. :allears:

As to my actual episode thought?

FEELHAMMER 40k: IN THE GRIM DARKESS OF 2015 THERE ARE ONLY FEELS.

SO MANY FEELS.

ALL THE FEELS.

A NATURAL 20 ON THE FEELS ROLL.

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A very fine episode of fine fineness.
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:30 pm

Captain Rufus wrote:You know, the goddamned point of the fucking show. That friendship thing. They have turned so many lives around in the course of finding out about themselves and made their world just a little bit better. :allears:


To fall back on "friendship... is good!" as the defining moment of the CMC and to ignore any and all individuality between the three of them is a massive disservice to the characters and feels like a lazy way of shoehorning in the show's vague theme. When their whole are is about finding out what makes them unique as individuals it's a massive letdown to know that their role, in the eyes of the showrunners, is to be yet another "hurray for friendship" mouthpiece (which the main cast kind of already is).

I don't think any of the CMC expressed a unique thought in this episode. They acted as a single character the whole way through and the cutie marks sealed that deal for good.
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:53 pm

My only beef with the episode is the design of the cutie marks. They're fairly complex, high-detail designs that feel like they don't fit in well with the marks of the mane six and, well, pretty much every other cutie mark that's not on a one-off background character.

I do like the idea of them having cutie marks that are similar though, it's cute. :allears:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:55 pm

I'm seeing some say that the shield is actually supposed to be a reminder of this:

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Ultimately, despite our preconceptions about the specific talents of each CMC, this episode asks us to look back at all their episodes and see if their joint talent instead was really the primary goal all along.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:02 pm

JaneCV wrote:My only beef with the episode is the design of the cutie marks. They're fairly complex, high-detail designs that feel like they don't fit in well with the marks of the mane six and, well, pretty much every other cutie mark that's not on a one-off background character.

I do like the idea of them having cutie marks that are similar though, it's cute. :allears:

I think the general issue is that you have to really squint to tell them apart. The individual bits are pretty decent, but you can't see them without a close-up butt-shot.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:06 pm

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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:06 pm

Oh my goodness, that's so adorable. :3:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:10 pm

JaneCV wrote:My only beef with the episode is the design of the cutie marks. They're fairly complex, high-detail designs that feel like they don't fit in well with the marks of the mane six and, well, pretty much every other cutie mark that's not on a one-off background character.

I do like the idea of them having cutie marks that are similar though, it's cute. :allears:


This is a fair point. Are these the first cutie marks we've seen that had a background? Well, other than Luna I guess.

Maybe it just means the CMC have a special destiny :ohboy: :anticipation: :scootawoo:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:29 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I'm seeing some say that the shield is actually supposed to be a reminder of this:

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Ultimately, despite our preconceptions about the specific talents of each CMC, this episode asks us to look back at all their episodes and see if their joint talent instead was really the primary goal all along.

That's something I thought of, too. I even grabbed a screenshot from Stare Master, right where Sweetie Belle first showed Apple Bloom and Scootaloo those capes with that symbol on them, but then I realized that the shape of the shield isn't exactly the same. Maybe the shield in their actual marks was streamlined for the sake of readability.

It would definitely be cool if that was the reason for the design of the shield, though.
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This is a fair point. Are these the first cutie marks we've seen that had a background? Well, other than Luna I guess.

Maybe it just means the CMC have a special destiny :ohboy: :anticipation: :scootawoo:

Depending on how you think about it, Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark has that second white star behind the big purple one. Hell, her cutie mark is pretty visually complicated in general.
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Postby SpaceHowitzer (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:34 pm

I loved it and was totally surprised so it hit hard. The going full musical for exposition should have been a clue, I just assumed they'd wanted to do another musical episode.

From AKR tweets she mentioned that they wanted to do the CMC payoff episode this season and they needed an original writer for that. I kind of like that they wanted someone who's been around for the whole ride to do the CMC right, and she's done the Lena Hall episode which looks like it'll be a teary one as well. The finale will need to do some heavy lifting to carry off being a finale.

I wonder when this will be carried over to the comics, or if they where warned. I can see someone asking Andy or Cook to draw the CMC at NYCC tomorrow and they don't know what the Cutie Marks are. :smirk:

The shield colours are from there hair right? (A bit colour blind)
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:35 pm

That episode was okay but I really don't like their cutie marks and I would have rather had separate episodes for each of the CMC. The songs were really good though.
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:57 pm

Also I don't really like them using another musical episode as a vessel for a major series event. It was kinda unique in MMC but this one kinda feels like they just said "Hey that thing we did once was pretty good, let's do it again." As soon as the second song started I knew what the episode was going to do and how they would do it. Of course, I think this episode suffered from the exact same thing the MMC did; everything just kind of happened and it really felt rushed. It's because of that point that I really didn't get the emotion that everyone else seemed to get from this episode. When you just have song after song all of the emotion they're trying to make me feel seems really hamfisted and ineffective. I mean, I'll take what we got but I guess I had higher expectations for the "CMC get their cutie marks" episode. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:02 am

The Cutie Mark Crusaders eventually getting their cutie marks is something that's been suggested literally since S1, so I at least think it's cool for this to happen. With MMC, though, Twilight's ascension was only vaguely suggested at a couple points earlier in S3, so without the foundation that the CMC had here, MMC's events felt way more abrupt to me.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:02 am

kidcoelacanth wrote:
I don't think any of the CMC expressed a unique thought in this episode. They acted as a single character the whole way through and the cutie marks sealed that deal for good.


I think this is what bothered me the most about the episode. I didn't really realize it, but it's true. They didn't do anything the entire episode that wasn't a hive-mind of the three. You just as easily could have had it be Applebloom and only Applebloom acting it out, with the other two there, but not really involved. Then, Applebloom would have gotten a cutie mark in helping others with theirs.

Then she could have helped Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle find theirs in a subsequent episode. That would have been so much better.

Also, Pip is clearly much younger than the others, and there are no other foals shown to be near his age/size. So why the hell is HE running against Diamond Tiara? Hell, do my idea above and have it be Sweetie Belle running. Pip makes no sense at all.

And I really don't get the praise for the songs. They were all very generic musical exposition songs. None of them had a catchy hook at all.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:07 am

Indirectly, this episode explains why Cheerilee rarely disciplines DT, even when she's being a bully in front of her: because DT's mom is part of the school board, and likely has more power than her.

I mean, we saw what she's like, it wouldn't surprise me if she uses her influence to lash out at Cheerilee.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:10 am

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This is a fair point. Are these the first cutie marks we've seen that had a background? Well, other than Luna I guess.


It destroyed a favourite personal head-canon, but Princess Luna does not have a cutie mark with a background. Her flank is, in fact, dappled in black:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:12 am

Mr. Big wrote:Indirectly, this episode explains why Cheerilee rarely disciplines DT, even when she's being a bully in front of her: because DT's mom is part of the school board, and likely has more power than her.

I mean, we saw what she's like, it wouldn't surprise me if she uses her influence to lash out at Cheerilee.


I wish we had seen Cheerilee be more assertive this episode. Its become kind of a running joke for her to just sit back and let DT be a jerk.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:45 am

That was amazing and it totally caught me off guard.

I agree that their cutie mark design isn't the best, but I can see what they're going for :allears:

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You joke, but Spike finding out where he comes from is totally a plot thread I'd forgotten about and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of that in season 6.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:48 am

After so many years, the little guy could use some closure. :allears:
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:53 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:

You joke, but Spike finding out where he comes from is totally a plot thread I'd forgotten about and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of that in season 6.

I mean, being serious here, I'd love to see Spike get some closure and growth. But with how he seems to have been relegated to the butt monkey role, I just doubt it'll happen. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:58 am

I would 100% be behind a Spike arc. As long as it isn't just about Spike being dumb and doing dumb things.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:14 am

Yolostar wrote:I would 100% be behind a Spike arc. As long as it isn't just about Spike being dumb and doing dumb things.

Yeah, it's kinda sad that an arc for him legit feels like a pipe dream by now, but oh well.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:17 am

I really have to wonder what else we can do with Spike, short of giving him some episodes where he can be himself and not be busy trying to please the Mane Six. Like, what else does he want? Someone who actually loves him?
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:19 am

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Alternate colour scheme.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:20 am

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Alternate colour scheme.

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I like it. It has the unified design but they're much easier to tell apart.
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