S04E22: Testing Testing 1, 2, 3

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Re: S04E22: Testing Testing, 1, 2, 3

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:08 pm

It's Amy tweet time!

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:10 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Apart from winged Twilight, this could have been a S1 episode. And that is very high praise in my book.

Also, I'm not officially admitting it, but I may have felt some feels when we see the whole town came out to help Dash learn.

Oh yeah, that sequence was actually surprisingly touching as well. The CMC (though I guess Scootaloo would be expected to care) and various other background pegasi all joining in... even after MMDW, I guess she really is popular around town.
PonyHag714 wrote:Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see Spike helping Dash remember the information. Unfortunate, but I guess his time to shine is coming up. :spike101:

He and Fluttershy seemed to be responsible for that weird play the pets put on. (At least his play was better than Sweetie Belle's! :sweetiefrown:)
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:11 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Apart from winged Twilight, this could have been a S1 episode. And that is very high praise in my book.

Also, I'm not officially admitting it, but I may have felt some feels when we see the whole town came out to help Dash learn.


See, and there's the thing, Twilight's wings were actually 100% essential to the episode. Those sequences where she was just flying around with Dash were great, and wouldn't have been possible if Twilight was earth-bound.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:11 pm

That was a good episode, it was charming and it was nice to see some more things with Twilight. :excite:

Oh and Rainbow was good too I guess
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:11 pm

First impressions: That was great episode and one of the best Rainbow Dash episodes in the series.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:12 pm

MochaBean wrote:Was this episode basically a stealth story about dyslexia? Kinda felt that way, and in a good way.

Dyslexia is a reading disorder. Rainbow has no problem reading. She just needed a different way to study.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:13 pm

He and Fluttershy seemed to be responsible for that weird play the pets put on. (At least his play was better than Sweetie Belle's!


I meant the second Twi/Dash flying scene, where they were acting out the Wonderbolts' history on the ground (Fluttershy and Rarity as Celestia and Luna for example) and Dash was cataloging it.

I think the characterization in this one was also good in the sense that her friends don't consider Twilight more than a friend, even though she's an Alicorn princess. Dash blew a raspberry in front of her and even shoved her later on. Not that she should do those things, but it's nice that they're comfortable enough around her not to worry about it.

Highlighters, helicopters and percentages are now canon. :spike101:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:14 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Apart from winged Twilight, this could have been a S1 episode. And that is very high praise in my book.

Also, I'm not officially admitting it, but I may have felt some feels when we see the whole town came out to help Dash learn.


I agree, very much a "two friends with a conflict of character attempt to resolve issues, with the rest of the mane six helping occasionally" like the majority of Season 1. I think at this point, the team needs to try harder in figuring out how the mane six don't exactly jive well with one-another. It's not like they're running out of material, there's plenty of possibilities with AJ and Pinkie Pie that I can think of off the top of my head, since their episodes tend to be solo.

And yeah, that ending kind of reminded me of The Amazing Spider-Man's. Love it when stuff like that happens.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:15 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:See, and there's the thing, Twilight's wings were actually 100% essential to the episode. Those sequences where she was just flying around with Dash were great, and wouldn't have been possible if Twilight was earth-bound.

I think he means more that the episode had a S1 vibe to it, with the characterizations and the pacing, and I agree.

Mr. Big wrote:Dyslexia is a reading disorder. Rainbow has no problem reading. She just needed a different way to study.

You're right. For some reason I thought it was a generalized learning disorder, I guess because it gets cast as such sometimes.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:23 pm

Just a note that there's no Pony episode next week due to a LPS marathon. So be sure to come back on the 19th!
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:26 pm

We're lucky this episode was so good. Plenty of material today to keep us going until the 19th. :awesomedash:
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:27 pm

You know what I liked so much about this episode? It really gave Twilight's new Alicorn-ness a wonderful purpose.

I mean, people have complained that episodes like Princess Twilight Sparkle and Three's A Crowd would have worked just as well without the addition of wings. And while I don't 100% agree with that, I can definitely see where folks are coming from. :pinkieshrug:

But this? This Alicorn upgrade gave Twilight the opportunity to help her friends in a way that would not have been possible otherwise. I'd be comfortable saying that this episode was all the better because of the wings. It embraced Twilight's new abilities in a way that was so natural and fit so well.

It's a shame that the other episodes haven't pulled the Alicorn thing off as well as this one. But I can't really complain - this week's pony outing was just pure perfection! It somehow brought back that initial "OMG, this is amazing! What the hell am I watching?!" feeling that I experienced when I first started getting into the show. It's a spectacular feeling to have! I am truly floored right now. :wingsright:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:27 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Just a note that there's no Pony episode next week due to a LPS marathon. So be sure to come back on the 19th!


Next Week is the Ponyless Summer Preview! :gotcha:
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Postby Corpy (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:33 pm

well, now we know why Pinkie's sister is hardly ever around. Pinkie raps too much and Maud only likes rock :maud:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:34 pm

Corpy wrote:well, now we know why Pinkie's sister is hardly ever around. Pinkie raps too much and Maud only likes rock :maud:


Pinkie's sister is hardly ever around because she already knows how to study and doesn't need Pinkie's help. She's gonna get that Rocktorate yet. :allears:
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:37 pm

I haven't come away from an episode feeling so :awesomedash: since Magical Mystery Cure. It's no secret that I think S4 has been the strongest season so far. If it wasn't for the incredible feels generated by MMC, this would be my favorite episode of the series. Every last little thing clicked right into place for me. Every now and then when watching an episode, I'll find myself rewording lines of dialogue here or there to better fit what I personally thing would flow well. I tried doing the same here, but something incredible happened. As I was rewording dialogue, the characters said quite literally exactly what my brain was making up. I could gush on and on about how glassy and pitch perfect the dialogue was.

The comedy was top notch, perfectly supported by little details, such as a snicker here or a little visual gag there. Speaking of the visuals, wow. Did anybody notice the shadows in the flying scene? As I was watching RD's shadow approach the house, I remember wondering what would happen when it rolled over it. I was treated to a wonderfully realistic stretching of the shadow as it crept up the side of the house, elongating it in a hyper-realistic fashion, only to regain its proper dimensions once it hit the roof. THEN, as it moves off the edge, I'm surprised that I don't see it immediately on the ground past it. Let me emphasize something. THERE WAS A DELAY BETWEEN WHEN THE SHADOW LEFT THE ROOF AND WHEN WE SAW IT ON THE GROUND AGAIN. The attention to detail guys. :awesomedash: :awesomedash: :awesomedash:

So many little things to mention. Breezing through a few things that stick out in my memory, Spike. Comic gold. His face when he just randomly shows up with his little drum. GAWD. Then, when Fluts mentions continuing the play and it's shot down, Spike just curls up into a ball in the foreground and starts crying. That got a real good laugh from me. GAWD. Also, when the mane 6 are on the library balcony, Pinkie puts on that hat again and a hint of record scratching can be heard. GAWD. Just the line "Pinky, stop rapping!" GAWD. RD curling into a depressed ball like a cat when laying on that cloud. I felt heart palpitations. GOOD GAWD. Lastly, the whole montage of the town helping out. Those generated feels. HOLY GOOD GAWD.

Also, the moral of the story is incredible and hit right at home. It's such a mature and relevant moral and something that NEEDS to be known to the general public about 50 years ago. I personally learn through intense but quick grinding repetition, sleeping on it, and doing it again. If I grind too much, I get frustrated and all the frustrating information gets promptly ejected from my brain. RD's frustration about learning something she doesn't really care about and justifying it by saying it's unnecessary is almost literally exactly what I say about a hell of a lot of things.

This episode, from top to bottom, was pure excellence. From the voice acting (bursts of frustration, little snickers), to the dialogue, to the pacing, to the moral, to the visuals. Everything was absolutely perfect for me. At least in my opinion, pony hasn't ever been better. I may still regard MMC as my most astounding episode, but it has a few faults. The only reason it's still on top is because of it's ridiculous gut punching feels. This episode, however, is objectively better, and an incredible show of force from the production team. Episodes like this don't remind me of why I got into pony in the first place. Instead they reinforce why I so happily stick around for it after so long. They show that pony is still improving what was already fantastic. Episodes like this make me think that MLP is legitimately one of the better shows on TV.

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:43 pm

This is deff going in my top 5 of season 4 list! :awesomedash:

...But that means I have to bump one my other top 5 down a peg...meh.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:43 pm

MochaBean wrote:I think he means more that the episode had a S1 vibe to it, with the characterizations and the pacing, and I agree.


Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Later seasons of pony have improved on so many things, such as animation quality; but there is an advantage to the early episodes of a TV show in that they produce these seminal stories that highlight and define the very core of a character, because the show is so new and those stories haven't been done already. Dragonshy could only ever have been a S1 episode, because it establishes so much about Fluts' character which is then built on and embellished later. As a show ages, the accumulated stories allow for more complex and referential storytelling, but the flip side is, it's harder to find new ways to touch the characters' cores that haven't already been made into episodes. Testing, Testing seemed to accomplish it, in my book.

But yeah, at the same time as it has that "pure" S1 feel, it is simultaneously the first Alicorn Twilight episode where Twi's flying is integral to the story, and in the way Twi and Dash relate to each other. So this episode feels very true to S1 Twilight and S4 Twilight, as well as to Dash and everyone else. It's a great piece all around.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:46 pm

So RD learns thru osmosis :v:
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:50 pm

The second Rainbow said Twilight gets so worked up about tests that she sings entire freakin' arias about them, I knew this episode was going to be absolute gold.

And then all the lampshading (I'm not that tall) and then Pinkie's gloriously shitty rap sequence (Pinkievision! :-D ) and and and :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs: :ponydrugs:

sailoryue wrote:So RD learns thru osmosis :v:


Does that make her the smooze :eep:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:52 pm

Yeah, anyone notice that the show has been making fun of its use of songs this season? I think this is the third one so far.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:55 pm

OK. First off, best Dash episode to date, and even if you argue that, best S4 Dash episode with zero of the awkwardness you get from the "key episode" in places.

And as someone who got that "learning disability" bit in school, this episode rolled a perfect 300 game. Ladies and gents, if you ever want to know what it's like not to grok conventional study/learning methods, you just watch this one again. It's something just about everyone with that square peg/round hole learning issues thing goes through many, many times in life, even after school.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:59 pm

DerFurShur wrote:Alright AKR did an episode as good as Filli Vanilli, without any real dark cloud over it. Makes my top 5 for the season probably.

Also I see Shy testing out the highlights to get ready for Rainbow Power


I dunno. I thought the dark cloud over this episode actually was kinda cute.

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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:01 pm

Now that I think about it, that really does epitomize :effort:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:03 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Now that I think about it, that really does epitomize :effort:

Eh, :effort: is more like what she was doing before that. This is more of a :fluttersmith: sort of thing.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:05 pm

I think Aramek might have legit died. Head probably exploded due to :ponydrugs: :twonk: :ponydrugs: or something. Will probably hear about it on the news at some point. Probably... Oh well. It was fun man. :gotcha:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:06 pm

It was a mix of Sad Dash from MMDW and her typical lazying about on clouds.
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Postby acksed (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:14 pm

Another one for the Round Stable here.

I saw this completely cold, on the livestream, and I loved it. Loved the interaction between the Word-Eater and the Detail-Drinker, loved the way the rest of the Mane 6 were sucked into helping, loved the callback to Dash's lack of confidence and loved the lesson and conclusion. Even Pinkie was displaying some sensitivity.

Now, had I read the intro, I still would have loved it. Had I seen the Pinkierap clip, my anticipation might have downgraded from "hmm, interesting" to "cautious". In the stream I disliked the rap itself, but I appreciated that they were lampooning every painful, self-consciously hip learning rap, and they succeeded. I was amazed that they did it so well; the 'can't believe they DID that' is part of the show for me. To see it divide people was a bit alarming, though I see both their points, and they are not always incompatible: to those who wanted the show to be its own thing, with internally-consistent stories and mythology :twiright: , I want that greatness too. To those who see MLP as a cartoon, with Pinkie as a 'living' cartoon character who is the very model of a cartoon individual, who breaks the fourth wall, who can cause outbreaks of live-action Gummy, who from this bag can pull almost anything imag'nible: I love those moments. :amazing: You could have simply eliminated the VHS effect and it wouldn't have broken immersion, but they went for the full reference. And that's okay.

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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:21 pm

DerFurShur wrote:It was a mix of Sad Dash from MMDW and her typical lazying about on clouds.


Let's also note this follows the subtle "I'm crying on the inside" trend we saw in Pinkie Pride. The environment is doing the tears for them.

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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:34 pm

Best Rainbow Dash episode since Sonic Rainboom :awesomedash:

I adored this episode.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:38 pm

That was amazing :awesomedash: So many good gags, amazing character interaction, just good old :ponydrugs:
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Postby DarkMatter (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:46 pm

Going into this episode I was thinking "Oh, great, another Dash episode about the Wonderbolts." But color me surprised because this episode was wonderful. I want to say it's the best Dash episode of the entire series. I loved this episode.

I was also able to relate to Dash, which never happens, as I also have always had a hard time focusing and studying. I may have experienced some feelings when the entire town came out to help Dash study.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:56 pm

Oh hey this episode was really cool!

To be honest, it made me think of the LEGO Movie in structure - it's fast-paced and hilarious, and a lot of the comedy comes from poking fun at itself, but while the humor pokes fun at the setting and characters, the actual conflict gets played out with the utmost sincerity.

It really helped, too - while the video effects seemed a little out of place, tearing apart these characters for comedy - mostly Twi and Dashie - revealed a lot more depth about them.

It helped that the comedy and the plot were interlaced well, with the comedy flowing naturally alongside the drama, and being used to further the story in a serious way - but in a way we can still laugh at it. And, just like the LEGO Movie, it knows when to stop the comedy to reinforce the more serious parts of the story.

The plot was great - it felt short and a bit slow, and the whole structure was kinda predictable, but not only did the jokes help fill the space, but Dashie was relatable in the best way for her. It helps that even though Twilight saved the day with her ~magical friendship~, she's still portrayed as nerdy and even a little arrogant, and her wings are used to open her character up a little more to Dashie, making her feel less like a princess and giving a little reminder she's still one of the mane six. By exploring Dash's more intellectual side and Twi's attempts to connect with her, it felt refreshing, like I was getting to know them all over again.

Also, the animation was absolutely fantastic - it seemed like they were trying a lot of new things, like shadow dynamics and video-tape effects, and it worked excellently.

Overall, it felt a lot like a S1 episode, where it's simple and slow slice-of-life, but with a bit more of a modern execution. Absolutely top-notch episode.

psst go watch the LEGO Movie
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:03 pm

On rewatch, I notice Fluttershy drew the princess shoes on her hooves. :3:

Couldn't tell if Rarity had them though.
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:12 pm

I began to feel super warm and fuzzy during the scene where Rainbow is flying over while everyone is recounting Wonderbolt history. That scene is pretty powerful just because of the cool sweeping animation and music, but...GAH IT'S JUST SO HEARTWARMING! I've never felt this emotionally happy while watching a Pony scene since probably Hurricane Fluttershy.

Also adorable Celestia-shy doesn't help.

Yeah, not much else to say about this one. Everyone's already raved about it for me. I regret saying anything bad about Twilight ever, because now I remember why she was my second favorite pony...and I guess she still is, provided that her characterization in this episode is a sign of good things to come. Top tier episode, up there with Pinkie Pride for my favorite of not only the season, but easily as one of my all-time favorites.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:13 pm

I guess if I had to criticize one thing it's that the solution was basically just Fluttershy's study method again, just with a bit more effort put into it.

Also I could have done without the "Applejack is obsessed with apples" joke :-/. Come on writing staff, you're better than that.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:17 pm

wikki wikki wikki
  • So these are the "newly-formed Wonderbolts Reserves." Huh.
  • RD goes for the high-five, but Spike and Owlowicious leave her hanging. :rainbert:
  • :shutup: Who's that, who's that?
    :allears: Celestia and Luna, back when they were happy.
  • Rarity has switched to "ensembluh," but she also says, "an historical."
  • That "yhluhhh" Rainbow makes when she curls up on the thundercloud is kind of amazing.
  • How did everyone get up there?
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  • General Firefly echoing Ulysses S. Grant and Civil War uniforms.
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  • Have we ever seen Commander Easy Glider before?
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  • KER-NULL PUR-PLE DAAAART
  • AaaAaaAdMirAAALLlll FAIryyy Fliiight!
  • Extra voices this episode: Tara, Ashleigh, Andrea, and Tabitha as "Pegasus 1" through "Pegasus 4." General Flash and Commander Easy Glider seem to be uncredited.
  • On lore: So the the Royal Guard are the "EUP Guard," or maybe the Protective Pony Platoons, and the Wonderbolts were a performance group drawn from their ranks.

The Doctor wrote:On rewatch, I notice Fluttershy drew the princess shoes on her hooves. :3:

Couldn't tell if Rarity had them though.

I think she might just own a set of glass slippers :allears:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:25 pm

While we're at it, Twilight in her Wonderbolts History costume reminds me of WWII pilots.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:30 pm

This episode would've gotten a 0/10 if they had missed the opportunity of having Big Mac saying EUP. I thought that was brilliant. :gotcha:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:33 pm

It's all the little things like that, combined with the big things, that made it so good. :eeyup:
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