Re: In-Season General Show Chat - Season 6 Conversation Stat




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Bremen wrote:I don't think it's a stereotype. I think it's the show wanting to have a same sex couple, and doing the best they can get away with.
shotgunbadger wrote:I don't see how AJ wouldn't be just as much a 'stereotype' as RD honestly, if that's a thing we're supposed to worry about. It's almost like making sure the right amount of checkboxes remains unchecked means representation actually winds up stifled rather than encouraged.
shotgunbadger wrote:Right again I don't disagree that it'd not be the most groundbreaking option, my issue is you're making 'RD likes girls' to sound like the wrong option, because that implies that because this character that's been in the show for six seasons, has had tons of episodes asserting genuine personality traits and all, and has organic relationships with others also happens to check a couple boxes in the 'possible stereotypes' collumn she'd be a Bad Gay or whatever.
Like, shit man I like fashion and musicals and cooking and shit, I've been called 'femme' before as if that's some negative quality for a gay man because those stereotypes exist, maybe it's a fucked up message to send of 'hey lgbt people can be anyone, but if you're someone that some unrelated idiots has ever made a joke about possessing a quality they associate with being lgbt you're basically a walking stereotype and would actually hurt the community'. Like, spoiler alert, idiots have lots of shitty stereotypes, the onus is on them to stop being stupid assholes, not on others to be sure only Correct Gays are shown or whatever.
Again I just don't see how the girl who works on a farm, does a lot of physical labor, does rodeos, actively rejects 'girly' things and all, being gay is somehow 'stereotype countering'.
Bremen wrote:
Other than rejecting girly things I don't really agree that those are stereotypes of lesbians, and RD rejects girly things to a greater extent than AJ does (in addition to having a host of other traits often used to make fun of lesbians). I mean, I like RD as much as anyone, but it's hard to argue that she wasn't instantly recognized as a collection of lesbian stereotypes by a lot of people; I've never heard anyone assume that AJ must be a lesbian because of how she acts.
The problem with saying it's not Hasbro's job to counter stereotypes is that if they picked a character to be the lesbian they would be actively picking one, and as the token "the lesbian one" character they'd have a high bar to clear about not making it a negative portrayal (like me example about if you only have one woman on the show).
shotgunbadger wrote:but it genuinely feels like you keep trying to say 'no see idiots online call the one with short hair into sports gay as a joke, AND THEY ARE RIGHT TO'.
shotgunbadger wrote:You're saying that the broad categories of 'likes sports' and 'tomboy' and shit are associated with lesbians, but rather than 'and that's a fucked up thing, what genitals you enjoy has nothing to do with that' you seem to be coming at this saying 'and that's why it'd be bad for her to be gay,' which implies that those stereotypes are rightly associated with lesbians and we should avoid having lesbians have them even as aspects of their personality.
SlateSlabrock wrote:It sounds like the voting rules change is being voted on this year, to be implemented next year.
SlateSlabrock wrote:It sounds like the voting rules change is being voted on this year, to be implemented next year.
Pingcode wrote:
Zat so?
Well, doesn't seem like they're anything to worry about - if pony wins it'll be because it's hugo-worthy. If not, then not. In either case all shall be well.
The Doctor wrote:
If it wins it's a victory for a group with a very evil political agenda. The show would basically become their "black friend", something they can point to and say "see, we don't hate women!".
The Hugo Award for Dramatic Presentation has been far too often dominated by Doctor Who and Game of Thrones since they split TV and Movies a few years ago. I would love to see more diverse nominations (though in this years case the Doctor Who episode is amazing, and I hope it wins). Prior to the split, a win by a TV episode over a movie was very, very rare. But this episode, nominated by these people, for their political purposes? I can't get behind that.
shotgunbadger wrote:That would work if the point of Puppies style shit isn't to actively block 'SJW' nominations, which basically means any minority