S06E05: Gauntlet of Fire

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Re: S06E05: Gauntlet of Fire

Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:51 pm

The Doctor wrote:Ember isn't a nerd. Just tsundere... very very tsundere...


They kept hammering in how she's smart and small and not strong in the traditional dragon sense.

Then at the end Twilight talks about how Ember's gonna help her learn all about dragons. She's clearly an intellectual by their standards since she was the only dragon besides Spike that wasn't an idiot.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:56 pm

lol I didn't even notice Ember painted herself green because it came off so quickly. Same thing with the back-and-forth on being friends - it happened too quickly with no depth. :pinkieshrug:

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Also, Twilight and Rarity constantly appearing at the next stage of the gauntlet with different disguises and no explanation for how they got there was a really great gag that only got better the more it was repeated.

I just assumed Twi teleported every time. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:59 pm

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There are probably over 50 Spike x Ember stories written already....


Spina vs. Embike love triangle fic, go
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:03 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:Okay, so I'm going to assume that's Rarity on the left and Twilight on the right, mostly because they both have branches for horns and the one on the right has a branch off to the side which is a wing and THAT IS TOTALLY SOMETHING I COULD SEE PONIES DOING EVEN WITH A DISGUISE! :amazing:

Ponies? I only see a couple of kelpies. :smirk:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:26 pm

Liked Ember a lot. Liked Celestia tempting fate and getting owned by it (Once again, she loses, hah!)

Wished there were more S1-style designs on dragons. Ember was good in that regard, but the others felt too...blocky, in a lot of ways? The S1 dragons had this sleekness to them that worked really well, as opposed to the more musclebound rocks that a lot of the designs were. Still, pretty much liked everything else. Except 'OH NO EQUESTRIA IS DOOMED' which was silly. Why is Twilight backing away from a teenage dragon, still? She went toe to toe with Tirek, Garble is nothing.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:03 pm

Time now to watch Dragon Quest 2: The Desolation of Spike.

:twismug: "No ice cream until you clean up all of your desolation, young man! And no hiding it all in the closet this time!"
  • Rarity with the fashionable mining helmet, the lamp replaced by a lens for her horn magic, pulls this into A+ neighborhood from the word go.
  • Excellent cold open. Mostly visual, doesn't bog down with redundant narration, introduces the mystery right away, Rarity gets bats in her hair. It's everything I want in an open.
  • Holy shit, Luna and Celestia appearance and they get to drink tea and be wise and everything we like about them.
  • Unironically love that they skip over the journey to the Dragonlands and get straight to it.
  • Sounds like a different VA for Garble, but teens' voices change at the drop of a hat so it fits.
  • It's the Dragonlands but it's still Equestria, I guess, apparently.
  • A volcano isn't flamey enough. It has to be a flamecano. :black101:
  • King Torch looks very Don Bluth-y. I think part of it is, he's not outlined as thickly as the regular characters.
  • Was expecting the stakes to be that Spike's friends get captured, but they put in some extra thought and came up with something bigger and believable.
  • It's a good thing ponies don't have a Prime Directive!
  • Spike is hero as fuck.
  • Whoa, Samurai Armor Dragon! Oh, it's Eowyn Ember!
  • Geyser fish are awesome.
  • Ha, in Dragon Land being a princess is meaningless, awesome. :lol:
  • The ponies are not helping Spike cheat, which is great.
  • But the fact that they're always able to follow him is hilarious. :lol:
  • Crackle :lol:
  • Watching these two rocks with pony eyeholes trundling about is never getting old. :lol:
  • Credit to Garble, he did a really good job on his own, especially taking all the beatings into account.
  • ACTUAL FIGHT SCENE
  • dragon hugs :yay:
  • Torch is an all right dude after all.
  • "Camo Mod" is not a funny enough joke to end the episode on, or a funny joke at all. But it is the only thing this episode did not do really, really well.

Pico-review: Loved it! Really well written. And a great Spike episode and a great old-fashioned Magic of Friendship episode.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:16 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Sounds like a different VA for Garble, but teens' voices change at the drop of a hat so it fits.

It's the same guy as before (Vincent Tong). To be fair, there's a four year gap between this episode and "Dragon Quest", which aired in season 2.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:17 pm

I liked this episode. :3:

Ember has such a great design! :awesomedash:
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:20 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:[*] Unironically love that they skip over the journey to the Dragonlands and get straight to it.


Funny you should mention that; I came back just to say something else I forgot: Now, there's nothing saying it is, but assuming the Dragonlands are that place in the southeast of the new Equestria map... Across the sea and all... How'd they get over there? And considering (if I remember rightly) they said something in the episode that said the place they went in Dragon Quest was the Dragonlands too...
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:34 pm

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Funny you should mention that; I came back just to say something else I forgot: Now, there's nothing saying it is, but assuming the Dragonlands are that place in the southeast of the new Equestria map... Across the sea and all... How'd they get over there? And considering (if I remember rightly) they said something in the episode that said the place they went in Dragon Quest was the Dragonlands too...

A wizard did it. :wingsright:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:39 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:[*] Whoa, Samurai Armor Dragon! Oh, it's Eowyn Ember!


So she's going to settle for Garble. :smirk:
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Postby Swift (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:53 pm

Great episode! I enjoyed this a lot. Hooray for world-building! I didn't care much for Dragon Quest (Crackle aside), but this was a massive improvement and is much closer to what I hoped Dragon Quest would be. It was also a great follow-up to DQ, with lots of call-backs, and fixes the problem of Spike apparently completely turning his back on all dragons forever at the end of that episode.

Also, pretty obvious, but this felt very very How to Train Your Dragon inspired, down to the gigantic dragon leader that commands a massive collection smaller dragons and has the power to summon them to his location.

Ember is a really cool new character, and I like her design a lot! However, the whole "Let's be friends! Friendship is awesome!" vs. "'Friendship'? I do not understand this concept and have no need of it" back-and-forth was a bit simplistic and perhaps too similar to the Griffons. We have yet another species/culture that doesn't understand the concept of "friendship"... Which is odd in both cases. Gilda naturally befriended RD as a kid, and Gustav didn't seem particularly unfriendly. Garble's group sure look like "friends", and the (ex-)Dragon Lord obviously cares about Ember.

But ehh, kid show about friendship. It works well enough for target audience I suppose, and gets the message across. And I enjoyed Ember and Spike working together a lot, and her gradually understanding and growing to accept his friendship ("WHAT IS THIS" "it's a hug") was pretty cute. :allears:

I enjoyed the stuff with Garble this episode too, which I don't remember doing in Dragon Quest, and thought they handled his dynamic with Spike really well.

Lots of cool animation and set-pieces too with the trials this episode too. A nice change of pace, and I love dragons so I loved this stuff. :awesomedash: Ember's dragon-armor was rad as well (if possibly redundant :v: ).

Of course, I loved Twilight nerding out over studying dragon culture. Just Twi being Twi. Good stuff. :excite: And I like that Ember is going to be exchanging notes with her about dragon culture. I'm sure she'll return at some point, and I look forward to it.

Twilight and Rarity sneaking around in their environmental camoflage to keep an eye on Spike was amusing. I'm glad they came up with a nice twist on the Crackle joke rather than just recycling it. Having them waiting in the wings in case of an emergency helps it make sense that they would allow Spike to participate in a dangerous competition (Ember almost drowned, after all), but they're still letting Spike handle things himself for the most part.

Backtracking to the start, it feels like it's been a while since we've seen Rarity mine gems, so that was nice to see again. And seeing Twilight, Celestia, and Luna just hanging out at Twilight's was great but I wish we saw more of them chatting about... whatever, before Spike bursted in. I know that's the joke, but I would loooove to just see those three hanging out in a slice-of-life situation. More casual Celestia and Luna please! (Preferably with Luna injected with personality again a la Luna Eclipsed and Cook's comics, please)

The episode was super-predictable from the moment Ember was introduced (obviously Spike would help her become the Dragon Lord), but that didn't bother me at all because I was enjoying everything that was going on so much. Overall, great stuff. :party:
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:05 pm

Ponies are kind, noble creatures, and certainly wouldn't do anything underhanded like interfering in another nation's leadership process to install a friendly government.

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:08 pm

VoidChicken wrote:Ponies are kind, noble creatures, and certainly wouldn't do anything underhanded like interfering in another nation's leadership process to install a friendly government.

:v:

Twilight can now manipulate all dragons via Spike via Ember. :scheming:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:10 pm

VoidChicken wrote:Ponies are kind, noble creatures, and certainly wouldn't do anything underhanded like interfering in another nation's leadership process to install a friendly government.

:v:


:allright: never ever.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:16 pm

:awesomedash: I didn't even pick up during airing that Rarity's hardhat light was just focusing the light from her magic.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:27 pm

Swift wrote:Twilight and Rarity sneaking around in their environmental camoflage to keep an eye on Spike was amusing. I'm glad they came up with a nice twist on the Crackle joke rather than just recycling it. Having them waiting in the wings in case of an emergency helps it make sense that they would allow Spike to participate in a dangerous competition (Ember almost drowned, after all), but they're still letting Spike handle things himself for the most part.


Even if the models haven't changed, I liked that everyone was acting a bit older and more mature here than in Dragon's Quest. Instead of the ponies hiding and having to help a childish Spike without him catching on, here Spike knew they were there and for the most part they were willing to let him take care of himself.
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Postby Minty (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:35 pm

Maybe dragons don't understand hugs because the huge dragons would crush all the teeny ones. :eep:
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:39 pm

The Doctor wrote:Ember isn't a nerd. Just tsundere... very very tsundere...

She wasn't really hostile enough to be tsundere.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:41 pm

Marimo wrote:She wasn't really hostile enough to be tsundere.


She was in full "I'm totally not your friend" mode. All that was missing was her calling spike "baka"
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:04 pm

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When a friend is in need, the ordinarily fastidious Rarity does not care one whit about her appearance—even in front of ¾ of the Equestrian royalty.

I thought in general the characters were handled really well, so good on ya, Joanna Lewis & Kristine Songco.

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Postby Lorce (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:37 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:"Camo Mod" is not a funny enough joke to end the episode on, or a funny joke at all. But it is the only thing this episode did not do really, really well.

I thought it was Camo-Maud? Due to the rocks and all :maud:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:42 pm

I wonder how long before Garbled realizes Spike is no longer Dragon Lord. .. like how many dragons does he hug? And of course Ember won't let him get revenge either

Also, where WAS Crackle? I didn't see him anywhere in the group or flying overhead... or am I missing something
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:59 pm

Sailor Yue wrote:I wonder how long before Garbled realizes Spike is no longer Dragon Lord. .. like how many dragons does he hug? And of course Ember won't let him get revenge either

Also, where WAS Crackle? I didn't see him anywhere in the group or flying overhead

Crackle can be seen on the right side of the screen when we first arrive in the dragon lands, in that group shot of Torch's throne before he appears. Crackle can also be seen in the challenge with the stalactites and stalagmites chomping down like teeth.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:04 pm

It was fun and Ember's armor is kickass on her. Blue and gold go together very well. I think I know what color my High Elves will be should I ever paint them.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:15 pm

Lewis and Songco are four for four IMO. Fun episode with a lot to like. Cool visuals, some great gags and some neat new Dragon characters. And even the people who hated Dragon Quest seem happy, which is awesome.

Lots of diplomacy going down in recent seasons too. In addition to being part-way to re-establishing some order in Griffonstone, Equestria now has friends in both Yakyakistan and the Dragonlands.

Dexanth wrote:Why is Twilight backing away from a teenage dragon, still? She went toe to toe with Tirek, Garble is nothing.


I guess maybe she's a bit reluctant to get involved? On an academic level I figure she'd rather not mess with their system (given how keen she is to study it), and as a Princess she'd probably prefer not to kick the ass of some random citizen in someone else's kingdom.

Daring Do wrote:Funny you should mention that; I came back just to say something else I forgot: Now, there's nothing saying it is, but assuming the Dragonlands are that place in the southeast of the new Equestria map... Across the sea and all... How'd they get over there? And considering (if I remember rightly) they said something in the episode that said the place they went in Dragon Quest was the Dragonlands too...


I'll admit to being a little bummed we didn't get something to show their journey to the Dragonlands, especially given how cool the journey to Griffonstone was. In any case, I guess they maybe took a ship or a balloon from Baltimare?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:21 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:
I guess maybe she's a bit reluctant to get involved? On an academic level I figure she'd rather not mess with their system (given how keen she is to study it), and as a Princess she'd probably prefer not to kick the ass of some random citizen in someone else's kingdom.



Opening up a whole new can of political worms, the Dragon Lord identified themselves as The Dragons of Equestria.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:28 pm

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Opening up a whole new can of political worms, the Dragon Lord identified themselves as The Dragons of Equestria.


Oh, I didn't catch that!

I guess maybe the Dragonlands (i.e. that piece of land/island at the south-east of the map) are their own thing, but the dragons themselves live all over the place? Stands to reason that they couldn't all stay in their "homeland" given their inability to get along.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:52 pm

Ember was great. But, if she were to fall in battle, would she become... The Ghost of Ember?

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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:18 am

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Yup. Pretty cool there, DHX animators. :crack:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:23 am

So much to love about this episode. I knew it was going to be a good episode.

I like the opening how everyone was juts doing normal day to day stuff when Spike got The Call.

The design of Lord Torch really impressed me. Just so big and massive.

I also loved Embers design. It feels like they are settling on a generic dragon size to better relate to the size of ponies.

I guess in dragon culture, older dragons just retire at a much earlier age. Or older dragons aren't viewed as important. I guess once they pick a new leader they want one for as long as possible so they only allow the youngest to compete. They are known for being reckless after all. I wonder who enforces the law if the Dragon Lord refuses to step down?
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I look forward to the cute Spike x Ember fan art that is soon to flow like a bursting dam.

I give this episode 10 dragon hugs.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:31 am

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Yup. Pretty cool there, DHX animators. :crack:

And the wings on her helmet do a good job of hiding her real horns.

They really thought this through in a way that ... well, look, I love this show but it's not always great at thinking things through.

This freaking episode :ponydrugs:

The ponies are building themselves quite the federation here. What's next, the Diamond Dogs get Most Favored Nation trade status?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:32 am

My guess is Lewis/Songco didn't really know how much of a gag Crackle was back in the days of S2, and it was up to Jim & DHX to get him in there a couple times. Kudos to that at least.

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Soft Snow wrote:I guess in dragon culture, older dragons just retire at a much earlier age. Or older dragons aren't viewed as important. I guess once they pick a new leader they want one for as long as possible so they only allow the youngest to compete. They are known for being reckless after all. I wonder who enforces the law if the Dragon Lord refuses to step down? :ponder:

They seemed to lampshade/ignore this entirely:

Dragon Lord Torch: Unfortunately, according to dragon law, it is time for me to step down. Sad, I know. [beat] Be sad!
[dragons crying]


Just like transportation to the Dragonlands was done in a single wipe, the technical details were mostly handwaved for gag purposes this time. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:43 am

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Ha, that one on the left.



:spoiler: Nice dragon, but about as sharp as a sack o' wet mice.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:54 am

Lorce wrote:I thought it was Camo-Maud? Due to the rocks and all :maud:

Camo-Mod, perhaps. I'm confused as well.

The Doctor wrote: :awesomedash: I didn't even pick up during airing that Rarity's hardhat light was just focusing the light from her magic.

I'm not actually sure what it does. It seems to be some kind of gem:
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and when it's lit up, it's surrounded by her magic:
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So I guess I could see it either way -- a lens that focuses the existing light from her horn, or some kind of magic glow gem that she powers herself.

Minty wrote:Maybe dragons don't understand hugs because the huge dragons would crush all the teeny ones. :eep:

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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:03 am

SlateSlabrock wrote::sheepish: Uh... don't mind the cover. I'm not much of an artist.
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Twilight clearly hasn't been taking drawing lessons since S5:

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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:09 am

I presume Torch is going to throw an extra shrimp on the barbie for Spike. :v:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:13 am

My reaction:

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Postby Strangepony (?) » Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:15 am

This episode really played havoc with the question of whether Equestria is a nation or planet.

The big guy calls them the "dragons of Equestria," but at the end, Spike says his home is "back in Equestria." :cuckoo:

Make up your mind!
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