S05E04: Bloom and Gloom

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Re: S05E04: Bloom and Gloom

Postby Mr. Big (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:18 am

I wonder if they'll reach the point where they'll have to change actresses :ponder:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:21 am

I imagine Michelle could do a creditable Apple Bloom for the foreseeable future, especially since her thing is more of a southern twang than anything else. Scootaloo's voice has just enough rasp to it (like Dash's) that it shouldn't be a problem, too, especially since Maddie Peters is a couple years older, anyway.

It's anyone's guess how long Claire Corlett is going to be able to add those little squeaks to Sweetie Belle without blowing a vocal cord, though.
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:05 am

Sweetie Belle will pick up smoking and be voiced by Doc Hammer.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:23 am

I'll confess part of me wants the show to do a time skip to teen CMC. Though maybe that's my Slice of Life fandom speaking.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:42 am

I'd have zero problems with them gradually changing the modeling over time.

Let the CMC (and the other kids in town) start to grow up a bit. Twilight's changed over time, why not the rest?
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Postby Marimo (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:10 am

WandereringPony wrote:I'd have zero problems with them gradually changing the modeling over time.

Let the CMC (and the other kids in town) start to grow up a bit. Twilight's changed over time, why not the rest?

Technically, her body didn't change gradually over time due to natural growths so much as instantly gained some extra height and wings.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:31 am

Bakertoons wrote:I wonder if they'll reach the point where they'll have to change actresses :ponder:


I was thinking that they could age them up in Season 7 or so, make it like a natural progression.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:56 am

Making them look older wouldn't be that hard, really. Make their bodies and legs a bit longer, have them always use the more oval-shaped eyes that adults have, and perhaps grow their hair a bit more as well. I guess Sweetie Belle's horn will also get longer and pointier, though I wonder if Scootaloo's wings will remain tiny. :fluttersmith:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:57 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Making them look older wouldn't be that hard, really. Make their bodies and legs a bit longer, have them always use the more oval-shaped eyes that adults have, and perhaps grow their hair a bit more as well. I guess Sweetie Belle's horn will also get longer and pointier, though I wonder if Scootaloo's wings will remain tiny. :fluttersmith:


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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:30 pm

:flail: "What if my cutie mark isn't an apple? What'll I do? Where will I live???"
:twasnothin: "Oh, sugarcube. You have my word: no matter what you get, you'll always have a place to live at Sweet Apple Acres."
:sweet: "You're the best sister ever."
:twasnothin: "Now go to sleep. Sweet dreams, and remember the two things I always tell you --"
:sweet: "I know -- I got no other siblings 'cept you and Big Mac; and never, ever look inside or unlock the south barn even I think I hear voices 'cuz it's just the hay settlin'. Good night, Applejack."
:liarjack: "Now I gotta go an' feed yer -- I mean, do some reshinglin' at the south barn."
:twasnothin: "Dream of cutie marks, li'l sis."
:angry: "Apple cutie marks."
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:43 pm

...Do they have Leatherface down there? :flutterdear:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:18 pm

New last minute clip:

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:20 pm

Forums back up literally just in time.

For once I'm not going to watch that clip, I mean it's 11:20.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:25 pm

Yeah, I was pretty scared there for a minute. At least it came back right on time for the episode.

It's almost like the servers knew...maybe they've become sentient... :flutterdear:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:29 pm

WE GOT :ponydrugs: SIGN!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:31 pm

WHOA. They're going right out of the gate with this, aren't they? :starity:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:32 pm

Babs is growing up :flutterunsmith:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:32 pm

BABS?! :allears:

Also already awesome facial expressions.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:32 pm

:gotcha: And Babs was never seen again...
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:33 pm

Babs got her cutie mark! :party:
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:33 pm

Babs got her cutie mark!? :starity:

That's wonderful :allears:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:30 pm

The Doctor wrote:Nightmare wording really has me thinking this will be Apple Bloom's turn to get some wisdom from Luna.


:chillin: Called it.

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I doubt it. That scene and in the season teaser with Sweetie Belle about to sing I bet is part of an Apple Bloom Nightmare in this episode.


:dwi: Called that too
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:40 pm

Well, since the website got DDOSed again, I'll have to post all my thoughts I wrote while the episode aired here right now:

OH MY GOD OH WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THEY DID IT AHHHHHH :twonk: :twonk: :twonk:
Also...pest extermination? Well...wouldn't have thought of that.

This is getting to be Inception levels of dreams within dreams here.

AHH, Big Mac's talking normally and Applejack's doing the Eeyup/Nope again!

It's amazing how they keep piling on these endless nightmares...

I KNEW LUNA WOULD BE IN THIS EPISODE! Also, is it just me or does she sound...different? :ponder:

Aw, Scootaloo flying in the dream is adorable. :allears:

Wow, that's a pretty nice moral. You are not alone in your fears is a good little message. :)

Overall, this is probably the second best of the Luna Nightmare episodes so far. Really had a lot of twists and turns that no one could have expected and all the twists and turns...man, it was a trip.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:43 pm

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I KNEW LUNA WOULD BE IN THIS EPISODE! Also, is it just me or does she sound...different? :ponder:



There was definitely some type of effect done to her voice.

She once again sounded bored. I still wish she'd show some levity like in Luna Eclipsed again. I know she's "on the job" but she's still dealing with kids.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:48 pm

Not sure what I was expecting, but I wasn't expecting the episode to be 90% dream sequence. It was an okay episode. It really seems to be building up to the idea that they're all going to get their marks this season. Hell, it practically came right out and said that Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo know their special talents. They were dreaming about getting their cutie marks doing the exact thing that we've known they're good at for several seasons now.

Best part of the episode was the rooster crowing, and it was just Pinkie floating by in the background.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:49 pm

Hey look the forums are back now I get to post about DAMN THAT WAS AN EPISODE :awesomedash:

Just....pony show. :allears:

An exploration of fear about what you might become as you pursue your passions and what people might think of you fit really well for the CMC. After so much fretting about cutie marks over four seasons, I'm surprised it hadn't occurred to me that they hadn't actually had much anxiety of what they might be, it was more about getting there.

Accepting yourself and your passions as you grow and as they come is a poignant lesson these days. Pony show is perhaps overly optimistic (there are people that will dislike you for who you are/what you want to do, just on the basis of whoever/whatever that is), but it's refreshing.

And the storytelling is pitch-perfect.

The first nightmare is almost believable. The added world building with the cool electric bugs, Apple Bloom rocking out like a ghost buster, and Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon being jerks (because of course they will be no matter what marks the CMC get) all serve to suck you into the narrative of the dream. Even if it's not real, it's close enough to reality that there's still stake and weight within what's happening in the nightmare. I like this style a lot more than the obviously faux-dreams that storytelling often relies on (including the previous pony nightmare outing with Scootaloo) because they often feel too detached from reality.

Then the legitimately disturbing shadow was a great touch throughout. However they made that voice, it was awesome and added a good ominous touch to the narrative. I thought it might be Luna or a monster, but it being Apple Bloom's own shadow? :awesomedash: It's perfect, and sadly, often accurate as the one that shrouds who you really are or want to be.

The nightmares get steadily more unbelievable, but the progression here is good. The family scene in particular was darkly hilarious. They rode that Bic Mac joke into the ground and I loved it. :amazing: But it's again a nice showing of how often we distort our own thinking.

Because it is ridiculous to think that our family and friends would turn on us for finding out who we really are, isn't it?

Luna's arrival was pretty cool and led to some nice animation and her conversation with Apple Bloom was really touching. :flutterunsmith:

I didn't think the Aesop delivery with Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle was as good, but certainly serviceable enough.

All in all though, that was some top-notch pony, and by far the best episode this season. A touching look and story into a problem that plagues a lot of us, with the optimism about it that's wonderful.

Also, AJ's lullaby. :allears:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:51 pm

You know it's rough when even Big Mac is mean. :eenope:

I liked this one very much, it really put AB through the wringer but it was an effective lesson.

Nice to see Luna again taking care of dream business.

And even in a dream something needs to be done with Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:52 pm

Yeah, that first nightmare REALLY threw me for a loop. I was completely convinced that Applebloom was going to be a pest control pony for the rest of the show. Oops. :-P
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:55 pm

Yay, forum.

A really strong episode in what so far is shaping up to be a great season. My favorite part was probably AJ’s sweet, sweet song.

Also: Pancakes.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:57 pm

I have to wonder if the Pancakes were meant to be a reference to Groundhog Day in an episode that was kidn of doing the Groundhog Day thing.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:02 pm

I noticed that Applejack said it a different way each time. A clever little hint of things repeating but being slightly different. Also, that...shadow Applebloom was creepy and amazing. How did they do that voice?
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:02 pm

Speaking of pancakes, anyone notice that the breakfast got weirder and weirder as the dreams went on? In the last one, Applejack was serving CAKE, with a punch bowl full of live fish. Oh, and there's a jar of dog biscuits on the side.

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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:05 pm

Episode was alright.

Watching Apple Bloom be psychologically tormented for a rough half of the episode was a bit uncomfortable to watch, but everything else worked well enough I suppose.

Highlight for me was the rooster gag concluding with Pinkie flying by the window in her chicken costume. :-P
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:06 pm

Also, when the Apple family was interrogating Apple Bloom in the last dream, Applejack and Granny Smith suddenly gained Big Mac's voice :lol:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:07 pm

Wow...now THAT is awesome. That is just so subtle, I wonder how many people picked up on it the first time they watched it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:15 pm

Damn, I've forgotten a bunch of the points I was going to make. :twonk: I'll have to watch this episode again sometime soon. Overall, I suppose it was pretty good. The steadily increasing weirdness and horror (a term which I use lightly, to be fair) is something that FiM really hasn't done to this degree before.
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I'd insisted that it was a dream throughout, though a lot of folks on IRC were thinking it was real for a while. The idea of Apple Bloom randomly having a cutie mark appear while she was asleep, especially for something that had nothing to do with anything she'd ever done before or even had any interest in doing, was what set me off.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:16 pm

Anyone got the parasprite reference? The pest control pony even said "Anyone with a trombone can get rid of parasprites!" :smirk:
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Postby Lorce (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:18 pm

During the non-apple cutie mark nightmare the voice was constantly wrong for the pony speaking and i'm not sure if that was intended or an animation error, it seems too big to not be inteneded...

Also, the BGM in that bit kinda reminded me of Darkest Dungeon. :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:21 pm

Man, there's no way that wasn't intentional. :rainbert:
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:24 pm

Forgot everything I wanted to write about this ep, but it was pretty funny and hearing Big Mac speak was great.
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