S06E03: The Gift of the Maud Pie

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Re: S06E03: The Gift of the Maud Pie

Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:56 am

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:02 am

Pinkie disturbs a child.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:07 am

She also body checked that poor child on the Big piano. :-/
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:31 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:
  • Is that Suri in the background?!

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:43 am

Finally, a stallion with a five o' clock shadow that actually makes sense. We've seen a few in the past (like the cherry merchant in PYHD) where the facial hair covered their entire muzzles.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:13 am

Soft Snow wrote:I thought the episode was funny. But Headless Horse didn't find it funny. And I value and cherish his opinion. Now I'm questioning if I even did find it funny at all.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:32 am

Headless Horse wrote::cry:


Not my intent. It could always be that I was not in the right mood for it this time around? Or that my sense of humor isn't the same as everyone else's, or that what I want out of the show isn't the same as what you all do.

I mean, usually the overlap is pretty heavy. :cheese: But not always.

S'all good brosif. I only meant that your reaction was surprising to me, not necessarily negative or positive. It could simply mean you really weren't in the right mood, or it could mean that I was in an exceptionally receptive mood. Social analytics aren't exactly simple...
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:51 am

I'll give the episode this:

Pinkie playing with the confetti, and pretending (?) to be all excited over a can of consumables she can't even use properly, was one of those poignant and nearly heartbreaking pony moments that make me wonder what has gone wrong with my life to find such a thing so affecting. :heehaw:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:11 pm

I liked the interactions but there was just something.. something about the episode that made it merely ok. It felt short and jumbled? I liked the bit at the restaurant with the crayon and Rarity's imitation of Pinkie, but everything else was forgettable. Which is annoying, because I like Maud and I like slice of life style episodes. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:38 pm

I think this is quite a divisive episode, there's some people giving it high praise (like me) and others calling it bland (or worse).
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:40 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:I think this is quite a divisive episode, there's some people giving it high praise (like me) and others calling it bland (or worse).

What bothers me the most is I can't put a finger on why I feel that it was bland. I'll have to watch it again.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:45 pm

There have been episodes that I felt blah about, but this wasn't one. Let the record show that I, Mechanical Ape, really really enjoyed "Gift of the Maud Pie" and just as much on the rewatch.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:37 pm

Having rewatched it, I still enjoyed it quite a bit. Even Maud is a lot of fun in the episode, and I say that as someone who doesn't really care for her continued presence on the show.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:45 pm

The Doctor wrote:Even Maud is a lot of fun in the episode, and I say that as someone who doesn't really care for her continued presence on the show.

I wonder if Meghan and the gang came up with her because they wanted actual characters for all of the Mane Six to know outside of any of the other main characters of the show (like how Rainbow Dash knows several of the Wonderbolts, Twilight and Applejack both have older brothers who have repeatedly shown up, etc.). While Pinkie Pie is said to know everyone in Ponyville, she hasn't been shown to be especially close to anyone else, so perhaps that's why Maud was introduced. That way she has someone else who can show up in episodes with her.

I feel like Tree Hugger exists in somewhat of the same vein, but we have yet to see her since Make New Friends but Keep Discord, so I'm not too sure about her just yet.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:49 pm

The Doctor wrote:Having rewatched it, I still enjoyed it quite a bit. Even Maud is a lot of fun in the episode, and I say that as someone who doesn't really care for her continued presence on the show.

I like Maud but I'm way more interested to see Pinkie interact with her actual TWIN SISTER. Or am I wrong about the twin part.. gonna have to find a clip and watch it again. I swear it said they were born together only minutes apart. Yup, a few minutes younger than Pinkie, so twins. Are twins rare in Equestria? We only know of two pairs, Pinkie and Marble and then the Cake twins, right?
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Postby Octavia (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:07 pm

Sidotsy wrote:I like Maud but I'm way more interested to see Pinkie interact with her actual TWIN SISTER. Or am I wrong about the twin part.. gonna have to find a clip and watch it again. I swear it said they were born together only minutes apart. Yup, a few minutes younger than Pinkie, so twins. Are twins rare in Equestria? We only know of two pairs, Pinkie and Marble and then the Cake twins, right?

Flitter and Cloudchaser are probably twins, but it's never been confirmed.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:37 pm

My issue with Maud is more that she's (sorry for the pun) a one trick pony. I love straight-man humor, but with her it just seems like the same joke. Like Pinkie's song. She's reserved, she almost never shows emotion.

If Maud was less moments that are just a joke about how stoic and reserved she is, and more moments like at the end of this episode where she actually talks to Pinkie, I think I would like her more. Not everyone is emotional, certainly not as much as Pinkie, and I don't mind a reserved character, but I just think more could be done with it.

To make yet another Star Trek comparison, I want more Spock, and less "Vulcans from Enterprise"
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:53 pm

Maud was great in her episode, they're just overusing her a little.

We got the joke, it was funny, no need to bring her back if you're not gonna do something interesting with her :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:55 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:Maud was great in her episode, they're just overusing her a little.

We got the joke, it was funny, no need to bring her back if you're not gonna do something interesting with her :pinkieshrug:

Out of the three other sisters she's the only one that travels, so it makes sense. Marble is too shy and Limestone 'runs' the quarry. Still, I'd rather see either of the other two at this point.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:57 pm

Sidotsy wrote:Out of the three other sisters she's the only one that travels, so it makes sense. Marble is too shy and Limestone 'runs' the quarry. Still, I'd rather see either of the other two at this point.


Marble has kind of the same problem for me. She's a Fluttershy clone. I can kind of understand why they did it. In an episode with so many new characters, there wasn't time to develop everyone.

Now, Limestone, I would like to see more of her. She's probably angry because two of her three sisters ditched the farm, leaving her with more work.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:59 pm

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Marble has kind of the same problem for me. She's a Fluttershy clone. I can kind of understand why they did it. In an episode with so many new characters, there wasn't time to develop everyone.

Now, Limestone, I would like to see more of her. She's probably angry because two of her three sisters ditched the farm, leaving her with more work.

That would be an interesting story.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:37 pm

The Doctor wrote:My issue with Maud is more that she's (sorry for the pun) a one trick pony. I love straight-man humor, but with her it just seems like the same joke. Like Pinkie's song. She's reserved, she almost never shows emotion.

If Maud was less moments that are just a joke about how stoic and reserved she is, and more moments like at the end of this episode where she actually talks to Pinkie, I think I would like her more. Not everyone is emotional, certainly not as much as Pinkie, and I don't mind a reserved character, but I just think more could be done with it.

At this point Maud really doesn't seem like a joke at all to me. Sure, her reserved nature gets used a lot, but I don't really see it as being used for humorous purposes. That's just the way she is and it makes for interesting storytelling when you've got someone like her involved in these sorts of scenarios.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:02 pm

Maud's like the anti-Pony pony. In a world of bright colors and happy faces, she's the anamoly who stands out because she dosen't stand out and saves her emotions for when it's really meaningful. :maud:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:50 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:At this point Maud really doesn't seem like a joke at all to me. Sure, her reserved nature gets used a lot, but I don't really see it as being used for humorous purposes. That's just the way she is and it makes for interesting storytelling when you've got someone like her involved in these sorts of scenarios.


That may be one of the issues with her. The Doctor put his finger on it: it's "straight man & clown" comedy, but the problem is that Maud isn't the straight man. She's the clown. Her reserved stoic-ness is the joke; the comedy ostensibly arises from Pinkie acting "normally" toward her and she reacts in ways we don't expect.

This is such an inversion from the usual role Pinkie plays against anyone that it's leading to no small amount of cognitive dissonance. I mean, in A Friend In Deed she was definitely the clown even though she was the POV character; Cranky Doodle was the straight man, the audience insert, suffering along. Even in introspective Pinkie episodes like Party of One, the audience is relating more to the other ponies trying to tiptoe around her craziness than to Pinkie as she descends into madness, even though she's right up front and center. Pinkie as the straight man doesn't leave a whole lot of room at the edge of the spotlight for another clown.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:57 am

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That may be one of the issues with her. The Doctor put his finger on it: it's "straight man & clown" comedy, but the problem is that Maud isn't the straight man. She's the clown. Her reserved stoic-ness is the joke; the comedy ostensibly arises from Pinkie acting "normally" toward her and she reacts in ways we don't expect.

This is such an inversion from the usual role Pinkie plays against anyone that it's leading to no small amount of cognitive dissonance. I mean, in A Friend In Deed she was definitely the clown even though she was the POV character; Cranky Doodle was the straight man, the audience insert, suffering along. Even in introspective Pinkie episodes like Party of One, the audience is relating more to the other ponies trying to tiptoe around her craziness than to Pinkie as she descends into madness, even though she's right up front and center. Pinkie as the straight man doesn't leave a whole lot of room at the edge of the spotlight for another clown.

Excellent, I think you and The Doctor hit the nail on the head. Pinkie is playing the straight man and it just weirds the entire episode for me.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:41 am

Sidotsy wrote:I like Maud but I'm way more interested to see Pinkie interact with her actual TWIN SISTER. Or am I wrong about the twin part.. gonna have to find a clip and watch it again. I swear it said they were born together only minutes apart. Yup, a few minutes younger than Pinkie, so twins. Are twins rare in Equestria? We only know of two pairs, Pinkie and Marble and then the Cake twins, right?

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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:49 am


Oh ok, didn't know if they were super rare with horses, but suspected as much.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:03 am

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That may be one of the issues with her. The Doctor put his finger on it: it's "straight man & clown" comedy, but the problem is that Maud isn't the straight man. She's the clown. Her reserved stoic-ness is the joke; the comedy ostensibly arises from Pinkie acting "normally" toward her and she reacts in ways we don't expect.

Eh, like I was saying, that's not entirely how I saw it. While I thought the juxtaposition of Pinkie's and Maud's behavior was funny, the way Maud acted still felt normal to me, normal enough that I just couldn't see her mere existence as being the joke here.

Maybe this comes down to how well different people empathize with Maud. Like her, I'm usually rather cool and not terribly outgoing, so I think I'm more inclined to see her behavior as perfectly normal and reasonable instead of as something used primarily for comedic effect.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:23 am

I think I'm pretty much with Fizz on this one. Looking at Maud, I don't really think "boy this monotone joke is wearing thin" any more than I look at Pinkie and think "boy this manic joke is wearing thin". Maud is extremely reserved and not quick to show emotion, and that's fine. There's people like that. Most of the laughs associated with Maud (for me, anyway) come from the way she looks at and interacts with the world more than the manner in which she does it.
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:31 am

Maud is basically the less cynical Daria of MLP and that's perfectly fine, it's nice to see a character who's stoic and reserved in face of all the silly stuff that's happening in colorful horse show land 24/7 and makes for some cool interactions
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:16 pm

I like Maud. She reminds me of Raven from Teen Titans.
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Postby Zimbie (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:21 pm

Maud's stare is really creepy.
And one more thing: That scene when Maud "teleported", it kinda reminds me of Sans for Undertale. But Im not gonna talk about this again.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:27 pm

There would have been some serious aggro if the pouch pony had refused to comply with her.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:43 pm

The trick with Maud is that a lot of her dialogue/actions are as silly and whimsical as Pinkie's, it's just hidden under deadpan. But, for example, everything about Boulder is incredibly silly. Maud and Pinkie may fundamentally be the most alike of any two Pie sisters.

Whenever Maud says something I imagine it being spoken with Pinkie's delivery, and it works pretty well. That's probably the way Pinkie hears it, since she's so good at knowing Maud's emotions at all times.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:40 pm

I think if you just remember that Maud is just Pinkie on industrial-strength Quaaludes, then she works. She can even do that "exit stage left - enter stage right" sort of fourth-wall breaking, and she treats Boulder as an actual pet, who can scamper off and get into trouble- and somehow, he does. She's the Steven Wright to Pinkie's Carrot Top, as it were.
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Postby Mysteryman (?) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:28 am

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I missed that line. That's good enough to mark "hoof hands" for me!

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The statue had hoofhands. It didn't in its first appearance:

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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:31 am

No Celestia Episode should be the free space :gotcha:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:44 am

Octavia wrote:No Celestia Episode should be the free space :gotcha:

:fluttersmith: sadly, yes.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:45 pm

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:There would have been some serious aggro if the pouch pony had refused to comply with her.

While it is easy to assume she'd go all Fist of the North Star with multiple hoof strikes, I choose to believe she'd, instead, do a One Punch Mare and turn him to goo with one large one.
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Postby Strangepony (?) » Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:44 am

Mysteryman wrote:The statue had hoofhands. It didn't in its first appearance:

Or maybe there are two statues.


The statue's expression changed, too. It's smiling now. For some reason that smile bugs me. :-/
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