S04E13: Simple Ways

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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:49 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Well, that was different. Definitely some funny parts, and I liked how Spike got a little bigger role in this one, plus I think he had the face of the episode, when he was first speaking to Rarity and broke the 4th wall.

I liked seeing Vinyl, and Derpy. The "underappreciated" remark was interesting, almost a dig at Hasbro.

I guess I can live with Trenderhooves being around, if he is going to be.



I don't think he actually moved to Ponyville, he probably left after the celebration. Especially Since AJ Flat out told him there was no way in Tartarus he was moving to sweet apple acres. :applejargh:

But yea, fun episode, not quite as good as last weekends, but still a fun watch.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:50 pm

Well then hopefully the crowd who were hoping for more laid back, less "big" episodes got what they were looking for. Personally, I like how the show does a mix, and I enjoyed this episode a lot, I'd put it in my top 4 for this season with Rarity Takes Manehattan, Bats, and Castle Mane-ia
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:51 pm

By the way, in case anyone missed it: Prance confirmed for real country.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:51 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Now, you can say Castle Mane-ia is pretty unambitious narrative-wise too, but that had bunches and bunches of great character moments. This doesn't really cover up its stock plot, and I don't like this stock plot, so welp, yeah. :pinkieshrug:

I still maintain that this wasn't a typical love triangle story. Remember, Applejack was never interested in Trenderhoof, and she never became upset until Rarity tried to be a hick. At that point Applejack just had to do something to snap her friend out of it.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:51 pm

The Outlander wrote:We've had loads of ambitious, frenetic, near movie-quality episodes this season. I think some people prefer episodes like Simple Ways, so I'm fine with them making it, and it's definitely enjoyable in its own, simple way. :-P

The only episode that fits this description is Pinkie Pride. :pinkieshrug:

Anyways, I think people liking Haber's two episodes or not being contingent on your toleration for the stock plots is a real thing, so I might be really biased here (I love Scooby Doo type stuff, hate generic love triangle stuff). I can't help but feel still that there was less :ponydrugs: in this episode than CM.

EDIT: Fizz - that counts as a love triangle! Two crushes involving 3 ponies counts! :rainbert:
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:52 pm

Wayoshi wrote:The ending was OK narrative-wise, it was just very unambitious.

The whole narrative was really unambitious...

Would you say it was... simple? :smirk:

Oh, and I feel the need to mention that it's great Applejack got to teach a lesson about Honesty to other ponies and it wasn't even her Key episode (thankfully). :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:56 pm

Wayoshi wrote:EDIT: Fizz - that counts as a love triangle! Two crushes involving 3 ponies counts! :rainbert:


Not really. In this episode it was like:
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Rarity --------> Trenderhoof ----------> Appplejack


Whereas a love triangle would be:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:56 pm

Trenderhoof might show up again, but he won't move to Ponyville. I suspect he may be like Hoity Toity and Photo Finish, brought in when you need a fashion pony.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:57 pm

Pocket wrote:By the way, in case anyone missed it: Prance confirmed for real country.


Yeah I caught that, so that's pretty awesome. I wonder if it's like Saddle Arabia or a part of Equestria
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:58 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Anyways, I think people liking Haber's two episodes or not being contingent on your toleration for the stock plots is a real thing, so I might be really biased here (I love Scooby Doo type stuff, hate generic love triangle stuff). I can't help but feel still that there was less :ponydrugs: in this episode than CM.


Oh, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would tell you this episode is better than Castle-Mania. That's almost an unfair comparison, CM is so much :ponydrugs: it probably counts as an overdose.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:59 pm

I didn't really care for this episode, but Tabitha was so great she saved it from being completely bad.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:00 pm

:party: Lets Ship Tabitha Day, Today on, THE HUB!

Littlest Pet Shop today had a romance subplot with Tabitha's character too.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:02 pm

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed, but yeah seems both FIM and LPS got their crush episodes out just in time for Valentines Day, and they both be shown next week too.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:04 pm

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:A fun episode. Not one for the history books perhaps, but definitely enjoyable. It was about the two best ponies, so I couldn't not enjoy it.

The last act made the episode, with Rarity and Applejack trying to outdo each other. Rarity's accent was hilariously awful. Tabitha killed it as usual, and Ashleigh Ball didn't do bad either with that Southern Belle act. "I smell like rose-buds!"

This episode in a nutshell:

:twasnothin:


It was good of the episode to further establish that Applejack > Rarity. :twasnothin:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:08 pm

I'd imagine there will be a repeat of this episode on Friday for Valentine's Day. They might show Hearts and Hooves Day as well, that'd fit good in the lineup.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:08 pm

Wonkadoo wrote:Rarity just abruptly decided not to care about Trenderhoof. She could have done this at literally any time, and it seemed the only reason it happened here was that the episode had played its biggest gag and it was now time for it to be over.

The moral of the story: frien's before mens.

I'm not really feeling this episode. Nothing wrong with letting Tabitha cut loose, but it wound up feeling off-kilter at the end. Hopefully, it ages better after a few viewings, but I suspect this'll be one of those ones I just don't bother seeing again after this week.

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:09 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Not really.

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     /        \
    /          v
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:v: Geometric shenanigans aside, it's still a stock sitcom love plot
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:14 pm

I now want there to be a Ponyville version of the "Dreams of the 90s" song from Portlandia
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Postby agradify (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:16 pm

I thought this episode was great. I've seen people criticise it for being simple, as if simplicity is an inherent disadvantage. I'd go the other way and say that that was its strength. It felt like a bona fide season 1 episode. The rest of the main cast were all well done, but they were all pretty much in the background. That allowed more time for the Rarity/AJ stuff to bubble up, and I really enjoyed that. Rarity and AJ make an amazing double act, between this and Look Before You Sleep and millions of other little tidbits in other episodes. The fact that there was very little plot wise allowed more and more of their little character moments to be crammed in, and I loved it. :awesomedash:

It's not perfect, but it's near the top for me. Probably second best of the season, behind last week's episode.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:19 pm

agradify wrote:I've seen people criticise it for being simple, as if simplicity is an inherent disadvantage. I'd go the other way and say that that was its strength.

It's a strength if, in the case of a stock plot, it can bring something new to the table and/or let characters play out in an organic way.

Rarity sure played out in an organic way, and that was great. BUT, nothing new was really brought to the table at all. So when people are complaining about "simple", I feel some of them are saying what I'm saying, "I dislike this stock plot and the episode didn't do anything to improve or hide it." CM improved it by just letting the Mane 6 be the Mane 6.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:20 pm

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You make one ugly duckface, AJ...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:24 pm

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You make one ugly duckface, AJ...

You say that as if duckfaces are ever pretty.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:27 pm

I'll never get Dolly Parton out of my head, watching that AJ clip. :liarjack:
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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:27 pm

*Emerges from ancient volcano fanfic lair to post about horse episode where the driving conflict is a love triangle*

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Not really. In this episode it was like:
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Rarity --------> Trenderhoof ----------> Appplejack


Whereas a love triangle would be:
Code: Select all
     Trenderhoof
       ^    ^
      /      \
     /        \
    /          \
 Rarity       Applejack


A>B>C and A>B<C are the two basic types of love triangles. This one is based on A wanting B's attention while B likes C, while A>B<C is, like, Rarity and Applejack both compete for Twilight's affection (while she resolves it by reading anthropology textbooks until she proclaims her love for Zecora, who up to this point had not been even mentioned in the story)*. There's a lot of variations, like A>B>C>A or D swoops in to resolve it or A>B><C (poor jilted A) but they mostly boil down to competing for B. Except in this episode where C didn't give a shit and B is kind of a shallow hipster.

Anyway, I'm posting before Sunday afternoon so clearly I had to see this one soon. I didn't dread it, because last month was an amazing Rarity episode and last week was amazing and so was the week before that, and yet I didn't anticipate it, because, well, I've seen love triangles done poorly a million fucking times.** It's more apt to say I waited for it and felt I had to get it out of the way or lose my fucking mind imagining dumber and dumber outcomes like this isn't by the crew that gave me the previous two amazing goddamn episodes.

And it was a lot better than I hoped, actually. Tabitha went crazy with voice acting, and that's always a plus for me. It had funny jokes like Rarity interrupting the love-at-first-sight music and Trenderhoof subverting the rhyme. I like jokes.

This episode gets four fashion pones out of five, mainly missing one because Rarity at no point said "yee-haw!" and good gobbly fuck how do you miss that chance.

:vogue: :vogue: :vogue: :vogue: :rariwhat:

Between Trenderhoof and Blueblood, Rarity seems to have a thing for pining for ponies from afar, believing them to be true loves without having ever met them. She's a hopeless romantic, which fits with how melodramatic she can be. As a hopeless romantic myself, I can relate. :shepspike:

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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:28 pm

agradify wrote:I thought this episode was great. I've seen people criticise it for being simple, as if simplicity is an inherent disadvantage. I'd go the other way and say that that was its strength. It felt like a bona fide season 1 episode. The rest of the main cast were all well done, but they were all pretty much in the background. That allowed more time for the Rarity/AJ stuff to bubble up, and I really enjoyed that. Rarity and AJ make an amazing double act, between this and Look Before You Sleep and millions of other little tidbits in other episodes. The fact that there was very little plot wise allowed more and more of their little character moments to be crammed in, and I loved it. :awesomedash:

It's not perfect, but it's near the top for me. Probably second best of the season, behind last week's episode.
The problem is that the episode is half over before Trenderhoof is even introduced to AJ. :pinkieshrug: They manage to squeeze a lot of character moments in to what they have left, but in comparison to Look Before You Sleep... LBYS basically established the conflict in the cold open. :sheepish:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:32 pm

On a different note, unless this episode got shuffled around like the other recent ones, Meghan doesn't seem to have counted this episode's "song" in her mystery list.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:36 pm

^ That really wasn't a song. We've seen a couple sing-songy lines in an episode (like JFS) and it doesn't count.

This is also a good point, from the Internet:

Season 1 established Rarity as hopeless romantic who chases the ideal of love, instead of actually allowing herself to fall in love, something that's common with people as a whole, and even more common with her character archtype.

However, this didn't become annoying because while this was her main reason to go to the Gala, Rarity was never defined by this desire. Her definition came from her Talent and her drive to be a good person despite her obviously flawed character. It's because of those definitions that the resolution to her story in The Best Night Ever was such a great payoff. You would also think that with how traumatic her experience was, she'd learn a lesson about falling too hard for the idea of love.

Unfortunately, this episode acts like that whole entire arc never happened, and instead of making it a sideshow it becomes the premise of a whole damn episode. This was really the type of nonsense I was hoping the show would avoid, especially with Rarity, because I got a feeling they'll just put her into a box she'll never escape from, just like every character in the Simpsons. It's part of the reason why I don't like Rarity freaking out so easily either. She could easily become the next Pinkie Pie and become characterized a shell of her original self.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:38 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:On a different note, unless this episode got shuffled around like the other recent ones, Meghan doesn't seem to have counted this episode's "song" in her mystery list.


There was a song?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:43 pm

Yeah, I don't even really remember any singing going on in the episode. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:46 pm

I believe he means Trenderhoof's poem.
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:47 pm

I remember Trend's terribad poetry :facehoof:

Also in regards to that internet opinion, I don't think you can really compare Rarity's crush on Blueblood with her crush on Trend. Her crush on Blueblood came out of a hope that he would be her ticket to high society living and an idealized relationship with a prince, without even knowing anything about him.

With Trend she knew quite a bit about him since she kept up with his entire career as a culture writer. Also while it wasn't big, there was a layer of professional admiration to this crush. She had a romantic pining for him, but she also wanted to show him that the Ponyville Festival (and that she as its head planner) were the kind of thing he likes to write about and make trendy.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:47 pm

Ransom wrote:I believe he means Trenderhoof's poem.


That was spoken word, man. You can't just SHACKLE it to a MELODY, gaw.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:48 pm

Wayoshi wrote:This is also a good point, from the Internet:


BNE didn't resolve that side of her. It resolved her attraction to Prince Blueblood, sure, but that was more because he was a huge asshole than because of anything she did wrong. And while Rarity hopelessly chasing after someone was this episode's story, that doesn't necessarily make it bad. It would've been bad if it was just 22 minutes of nothing but Rarity trying to get Trenderhoof to notice her, but instead it actually went into her flaws and her personality instead of just playing it up for laughs.
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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:49 pm

Wayoshi wrote:This is also a good point, from the Internet:

It's a good point if you like hyperbole and commit the very reductionism of which you accuse the show, I guess. :pinkieshrug:

This is the second time Rarity pining over someone has ever came up and it's different in feel. Before was a prince and now it's a travel writer. Before she had no clue what the guy was even like except he's a prince and fairy tales end with the prince and his bride living happily ever after. Now she's into his strong chin and prose. She can still learn something but still be a hopeless romantic, like, I don't know, don't expect to have a royal wedding when you don't even know his name.

Really, that post's trying to extrapolate a trend from one data point. And it makes shit up about that point (the Gala was "traumatic" when she still called it the best night ever in the conclusion???). I'm pretty sure it's just wanting to read into things for its own sake.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:50 pm

Yeah, I think the relationship between both romances can't really be compared in that way. She was attracted to Blueblood and Trenderhoof for different reasons and she had wildly different reactions to the way they were.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:55 pm

Orange Fluffy Sheep wrote:This is the second time Rarity pining over someone has ever came up and it's different in feel. Before was a prince and now it's a travel writer. Before she had no clue what the guy was even like except he's a prince and fairy tales end with the prince and his bride living happily ever after. Now she's into his strong chin and prose. She can still learn something but still be a hopeless romantic, like, I don't know, don't expect to have a royal wedding when you don't even know his name.

I don't think any of these differences really changes how she acts at the start. :pinkieshrug: And after S1, shouldn't she have learned a little bit about faraway crushes? I admit the opinion is probably too nostalgia-based, but it made me think more that SW was just a bad premise, scraping the bottom of the barrel. That's going to start happening more as we go on, I guess. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:57 pm

Shame these characters have actual depth and consist of many facets, because now we have to argue about their motivations.












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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:59 pm

See, this is nowhere near the bottom of the barrel for me. In fact, I think the show might have enough interesting and fun material to work with to last maybe 2 more seasons. This was a somewhat formula plot that the show writers managed to make brilliant by their handling of it.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:00 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:It would've been bad if it was just 22 minutes of nothing but Rarity trying to get Trenderhoof to notice her, but instead it actually went into her flaws and her personality instead of just playing it up for laughs.

Most of Act II kinda commits this exact sin, while still being interesting with Rarity starting to become Cowgirlity, but in retrospect it's way too long. :pinkieshrug:

EDIT: Not saying this episode was, just that its premise hamstrung the episode from the beginning. I never fully got into this episode ever, from full synopsis to clips to today. Now again, some can probably say the same about CM, so maybe I'm just not qualified to give a fair review to this ep, too.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:01 pm

I LOVE BEIN COVERED IN MUD! :whine:

Tabitha delivered, as expected. :vogue:
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