S07E11: Not Asking For Trouble

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S07E11: Not Asking For Trouble

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:25 pm

Pinkie Pie visits Prince Rutherford and the Yaks. While there, an avalanche falls on the entire rustic village of Yakyakistan. Pinkie Pie suggests that she go to get the other ponies to come help but the proud Prince and Yaks refuse.


This thread is for discussion of the episode. This episode airs on Treehouse TV in Canada at 11:15 Eastern / 8:15 Pacific on Sunday, May 21!

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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:29 pm

Y'know pinkie you could just do what the Prince says.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:52 pm

Yaks die, and Cadence expands the empire. :allright:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu May 18, 2017 2:04 am

We've only been teased with the gates. I'm curious to see their country's architecture.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu May 18, 2017 3:23 am

Such is life in Soviet Yakyakistan.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Thu May 18, 2017 2:45 pm

Every time I read Rutherford I have to think about the electron model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_model
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:32 pm

I'm counting Pinkie's goat story as new sentient race for Bingo Card.

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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:34 pm

The Doctor wrote:I'm counting Pinkie's goat story as new sentient race for Bingo Card.

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But we saw goats working for Iron Will.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:39 pm

"Yaks stubborn, yaks patient, yaks no want help"

"Best kind of friend is the one that helps without asking"

... Excuse me?? The episode was bland before that and became downright poor with that botched moral.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:40 pm

Perfectly average episode. Wasn't great. Wasn't terrible. Just kind of existed and filled 22 minutes with forgettable fluff.

I did like that Pinkie was on form here. I usually dislike her focus episodes because she can sometimes be super annoying. But I thought she was still her manic self, without ever really becoming grating.


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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:42 pm

I was a little wary about this one, but it turned out better than I expected. Rutherford certainly surprised me at the end - I was expecting him to rage at the Mane 6. The Yaks remain a little thick though, not realizing that their stomping was setting off avalanches.

Pinkie did a good job of carrying most of this episode by herself. Nice fourth wall break at the end as well. Not bad at all. :party:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:44 pm

It was super low key, like, I liked it, but probably won't be up there for a rewatch.

Just like the AJ at the spa ep, it didn't feel like a plot, with plot structure, it just felt like a passive "watch equestria for the day" kinda ep.

Like you're playing The Sims. You see them going somewhere and you decide to follow them with the camera, that's what this ep felt like.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:52 pm

Aramek wrote:It was super low key, like, I liked it, but probably won't be up there for a rewatch. Just like the AJ at the spa ep, it didn't feel like a plot, with plot structure, it just felt like a passive "watch equestria for the day" kinda ep.

Except when playing The Sims, you can possibly have some fun. :pinkieshrug:

If I ever bother to rewatch this one, maybe I'll like it more, but other than a few chuckles (mostly from Andrea's voice acting) I was really, really bored with this one. The Yaks have never been interesting to me and an entire species whose sole purpose is to collectively carry the idiot ball certainly can't carry an episode, regardless of the moral, "Just because someone doesn't ask for help doesn't mean they don't want it."
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 3:55 pm

I just thought of how I felt during it.

That bit in Rick and Morty where they're watching the fake doors commercial.

"Just...just like, let's see where this goes..." as you sit forward staring with an incredulous yet curious furrowed brow.

And the payoff was "Huh...that's where he went."
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:03 pm

On one hand, the moral comes across clearly: "You should help friends, even if they're too proud to ask for it, because it's the right thing to do."

On the other hand, either the whole village is testing Pinkie to see if she'll do the right thing in the face of pressure, or Pinkie is propping up Rutherford's terrible leadership.

Basically, yaks are dumb.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:04 pm

"Hah, those silly foreigners and their inferior non-pony culture."
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:08 pm

Rainbow Dash had better brag about flying up and opening the door, something either Fluttershy or Twilight could easily have done as well. :rainbert:
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:11 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:Rainbow Dash had better brag about flying up and opening the door, something either Fluttershy or Twilight could easily have done as well. :rainbert:

I don't think they needed three ponies to open that door.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:13 pm

I didn't enjoy this episode.
The yaks were too dumb to make them believable. The yaks were already very exaggeratedly dumb and stubborn in past episodes and comics but this took the snow cake.
I have the feeling that Prince Rutherford didn't learn anything from this episode.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:15 pm

Marimo wrote:I don't think they needed three ponies to open that door.


I meant that either Fluttershy or Twilight could also have opened the door by themselves. Dash made it sound like she was the only one capable of it, but I guess it's just her normal bravado. :awkward:
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Postby Chronos30 (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:15 pm

They should have whisper-sung Winter Wrap up.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:28 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:
I meant that either Fluttershy or Twilight could also have opened the door by themselves. Dash made it sound like she was the only one capable of it, but I guess it's just her normal bravado. :awkward:

She was poking fun at how Pinkie right before said that because of the high walls, sneaking in wouldn't be easy.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:32 pm

I enjoyed it as a low key episode. Currently it stands as:

Royal Problem > Parental Glideance > Celestial Advice > Rock Solid Friendship > A Flurry of Emotions > Honest Apple > Hard to Say Anything > Forever Filly > Not Asking for Trouble > All Bottled Up > Fluttershy Leans In

Which means this one is on my bottom 3, but there aren't any S7 episodes I haven't enjoyed. So I am happy.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 4:35 pm

Chronos30 wrote:They should have whisper-sung Winter Wrap up.

That would have been amazing. No music, just to themselves.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 5:07 pm

Dexanth wrote:I enjoyed it as a low key episode. Currently it stands as:

Royal Problem > Parental Glideance > Celestial Advice > Rock Solid Friendship > A Flurry of Emotions > Honest Apple > Hard to Say Anything > Forever Filly > Not Asking for Trouble > All Bottled Up > Fluttershy Leans In

Which means this one is on my bottom 3, but there aren't any S7 episodes I haven't enjoyed. So I am happy.

For me...

Parental Glideance
Hard to Say Anything
Fluttershy Leans In
Celestial Advice
Rock Solid Friendship
Forever Filly
All Bottled Up
Royal Problem
Not Asking for Trouble
A Flurry of Emotions
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 6:16 pm

Obviously, the moral is that when your monarch is being stupid and harmful, you overthrow him and form a Yak Republic.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 7:24 pm

It was eh. I mostly panel inked the Turn A Gundam's lower leg and foot because it wasn't really compelling me. Outside of MORE GUMMY.

It was just a sort of THERE episode I guess. Maybe it's just me.
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Postby AlexanderThrond (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 9:14 pm

I liked this one more than most this season. I wasn't super impressed because it's awfully simple, but I also found it pretty funny, which isn't something I got out of most other episodes in season 7. Pinkie wasn't terribly deep in this but she was fun, and I prefer it when Pinkie is grounded by realistic thoughts and motivations. Wrote more about this over at my blog because that's something I enjoy doing, so you can read that if you're interested.

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Parental Glideance
Hard to Say Anything
Fluttershy Leans In
Celestial Advice
Rock Solid Friendship
Forever Filly
All Bottled Up
Royal Problem
Not Asking for Trouble
A Flurry of Emotions
Honest Apple


IMO:
1. A Flurry of Emotions
2. A Royal Problem
3. Parental Glideance
4. Not Asking for Trouble
5. Rock Solid Friendship
6. Celestial Advice
7. Forever Filly
8. Honest Apple
9. All Bottled Up
10. Fluttershy Leans In
11. Hard to Say Anything
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun May 21, 2017 10:39 pm

My episode rankings so far:

A Royal Problem
Celestial Advice
All Bottled Up
Rock Solid Friendship
Parental Glideance
Fluttershy Leans In
Hard To Say Anything
Forever Filly
A Flurry Of Emotions
Not Asking For Trouble
Honest Apple
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Postby Frith (?) » Mon May 22, 2017 1:28 am

This was a weak episode.
The conflict was dull, Yaks were annoying, Pinkie was... Pinkie and the lesson was a bit odd in this situation. Yaks' reaction to Pinkie's help just didn't seem believable.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 22, 2017 3:06 am

Frith wrote:This was a weak episode.
The conflict was dull, Yaks were annoying, Pinkie was... Pinkie and the lesson was a bit odd in this situation. Yaks' reaction to Pinkie's help just didn't seem believable.

Being distrustful and dismissive of foreign powers, or of different cultures, happens pretty often. I'm not sure I want to read it as a global politics metaphor, though. Those questions get too complicated for the lesson they're trying to teach.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon May 22, 2017 3:32 am

Yeah, this was average. Yesterday's Princesses episode was vastly superior.

I will say this, it's rare that we get an episode where Pinkie is the voice of reason, so kudos there.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Mon May 22, 2017 9:11 am

I wasn't expecting much from this one (mostly based on fan chatter from people who got there before me) but I actually kinda liked it. Definitely not an award-winner, but I enjoyed the dialogue and Andrea Libman's performance a lot. I'm kind of a sucker for the Yaks just acting dumb and being yak-like too, so it had that going for it.

New writer too, right? I'm sure we've had worse debuts.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 22, 2017 9:43 am

PaulloDEC wrote:New writer too, right? I'm sure we've had worse debuts.

May Chan has written for Avatar, Phineas and Ferb, and the new Voltron. She's the third Avatar writer to join the show, following Scott Sonneborn and fellow first-time writer Joshua Hamilton.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Tue May 23, 2017 2:56 am

I liked this episode. I liked all the small things they did in it. Fluttershy picking up the bucket Pinkie knocked it over, Twilight catching the scroll with her magic when Pinkie threw it hard (thought it was going to hit her in the face), Pinkie actually answering the I Spy game when they landed, Gummy licking Pinkie's face when she said she could always ask him. It just made it feel like Gummy really loves Pinkie. In whatever limited fashion he can show. Also, she brought Gummy with her. Which was really an unexpected thing to do. I liked the self explanatory names of huts bit. "This is yak sleep hut where yaks sleep in hut." I like how the moral tied in with the lore of the yaks, yaks are a proud race that don't ask for help but will accept it as long as they don't have to ask because of their pride.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Tue May 23, 2017 12:30 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:May Chan has written for Avatar, Phineas and Ferb, and the new Voltron. She's the third Avatar writer to join the show, following Scott Sonneborn and fellow first-time writer Joshua Hamilton.


Sorry, I think I keep saying "new writer" when I mean "new writer for this show".

Nice to see new people joining the crew, and it's interesting that they've gotten so many Avatar writers lately. That show got a fair amount of praise in the storytelling department, no?
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Postby Applepie (?) » Tue May 23, 2017 1:30 pm

Not the best of S7.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:56 pm

This episode was going nowhere fast until Pinkie Pie's goat/cow story.

But that was about it.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:05 pm

Pinkie pretty much carried this episode. The yaks are too dense to tolerate for very long. :pinkieshrug:

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:11 pm

I didn't get what was actually going on here until talking about it with others in #ponyday. At the end, Rutherford was saying that apparently the real way of the yaks is to provide help without asking, which is different from asking for help. I can see that now that I think about it, and I can definitely relate that to the times I've had to deal with stubborn people, but it doesn't feel like that message came across until Rutherford straight-up spelled it out in the end. Maybe this'll be more clear on a rewatch, but it seems to me like the basic lesson ought to be clear the first time around, not some great mystery that has to be pieced together from subtle hints in the episode.

Maybe the real lesson is that Pinkie should've let the yaks help themselves by overthrowing Rutherford.
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