S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

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Re: S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:20 am

Unleash the fanboy did A review of the ep. Surprisingly gave it A 9/10.

http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/news/li ... view/91398
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Postby ThunderBunny (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:03 am

Spike wins Best Breezie Award! :flail:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:34 am


Well, at least he finally grew wings.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:15 am

I just have to say, that Rainbow Dash griffin looks amazing and I hope that actually happens one day in the show.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:40 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Well, his first intelligible line is:
:allears: And you speak my language too?
Image I can. This lot can only understand you. Clearly, they're not the brightest bunch around.

Actually it was:
Headless Horse wrote:I did a total double-take when Seabreeze's first intelligible line was a snide "You must be so proud!" :gotcha:

in response to Fluttershy saying she knows all kinds of creatures' languages.
So we hear him being a sassy ass to Fluttershy first. :modesty:

I also love these dismissive 'speaking multiple languages' lines Seabreeze gives to Fluttershy and then his fellow Breezies, because that sort of knowledge and intelligence is expected in some areas of our own world, but not all, so it's an interesting putdown... :smirk:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:41 am

Yeah, I have to admit that I thought Sea Breeze was a very unique character in how he behaved and I enjoyed that difference.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:57 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Unleash the fanboy did A review of the ep. Surprisingly gave it A 9/10.

http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/news/li ... view/91398


Not that surprising really. More positive commentary keeps popping up, but this is going to be a divisive episode for the rest of the fandom's existence. Someone upthread pretty much nailed it in saying your reaction to this one is based on whether the breezies clicked for you or not, and the rest of your opinion molds itself around that core. I would add a second factor to that - I've noticed that in a majority of negative opinions you will find a highly emphasized "this was a shameless toy plug" line. Whether you think that matters or not colors how you see the more subtle season-1-style things going on in the background and the structure of the episode itself (e.g. you might focus on the transformation sequence as some crass deus ex machina while overlooking that the real conflict resolution happened a minute ago between Sea Breeze and Fluttershy).

Note that I'm not saying anyone is wrong for not liking the breezies or the toy aspect.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:38 pm

So I don't know about you guys, but I think it was really neat how the show set up the premise for this episode a few weeks ago by having Fluttershy go off and observe the Breezies' pollen-gathering, and then casually referenced it here in an inconsequential little aside.

That's the kind of serialized, "time is actually passing" storytelling that I really appreciate in this show. Not one-cliffhanger-after-another anime style soap operas, and not each-episode-resets-the-universe episodism either. Somewhere in the middle, kinda in the DS9 mold, where you really get to feel like you're living in this universe at the same pace as the characters. The other two extremes make you feel more like you're watching a piece of entertainment put on for your amusement, like it's a bit overly self-conscious of being entertainment and structured as such for maximum drama or maximum rewatchability (respectively). This way, though, feels like they're not so preoccupied with form, and so can focus more on immersiveness.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:50 pm

Headless Horse wrote:That's the kind of serialized, "time is actually passing" storytelling that I really appreciate in this show. Not one-cliffhanger-after-another anime style soap operas, and not each-episode-resets-the-universe episodism either. Somewhere in the middle, kinda in the DS9 mold, where you really get to feel like you're living in this universe at the same pace as the characters. The other two extremes make you feel more like you're watching a piece of entertainment put on for your amusement, like it's a bit overly self-conscious of being entertainment and structured as such for maximum drama or maximum rewatchability (respectively). This way, though, feels like they're not so preoccupied with form, and so can focus more on immersiveness.


This is probably one of the more subtle difficult-to-define aspects of the show which audiences may enjoy. :ponder:
I've actually often associated MLP FIM with the slice-of-life girl-focused anime, actually, but then I am no expert on that genre either. :pinkieshrug:
I'd say in terms of mood and atmosphere it feels kind of like a less angsty version of the one in Fruits Basket. :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:50 pm

Headless Horse wrote:So I don't know about you guys, but I think it was really neat how the show set up the premise for this episode a few weeks ago by having Fluttershy go off and observe the Breezies' pollen-gathering, and then casually referenced it here in an inconsequential little aside.

That's the kind of serialized, "time is actually passing" storytelling that I really appreciate in this show. Not one-cliffhanger-after-another anime style soap operas, and not each-episode-resets-the-universe episodism either. Somewhere in the middle, kinda in the DS9 mold, where you really get to feel like you're living in this universe at the same pace as the characters. The other two extremes make you feel more like you're watching a piece of entertainment put on for your amusement, like it's a bit overly self-conscious of being entertainment and structured as such for maximum drama or maximum rewatchability (respectively). This way, though, feels like they're not so preoccupied with form, and so can focus more on immersiveness.

That's one of my favorite details about this show, especially the way S4 has been handling it. The show has so much character growth and development that, if it did shift into typical cartoon continuity (that is to say, a lack of continuity), we would suffer a great loss.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:53 pm

Well in fairness MLP isn't the only show that has a continuity to it, Adventure Time does the same thing.

But yea it's nice how this is a cartoon that has a growing continuity.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:57 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Well in fairness MLP isn't the only show that has a continuity to it, Adventure Time does the same thing.

But yea it's nice how this is a cartoon that has a growing continuity.


I find these two shows are the best western animated series out right now. Last time I've been impressed as much as I am now with these two cartoons, was probably Samurai Jack. :wink:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:59 pm

Yeah, I've always enjoyed the tight continuity in the show. It's really nice to see, especially from a show like this and it shows how the showrunners care so much about the story.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:03 pm

Amethyst_Gem wrote:
I find these two shows are the best western animated series out right now. Last time I've been impressed as much as I am now with these two cartoons, was probably Samurai Jack. :wink:



Yep, IMO lots of fun toons have popped up since 2010" we have the Awesomeness that is pony, as well as Adventure Time, Regular Show & Steven Universe on CN, Gravity Falls & Wander on Disney, and Korra on Nick.


But ahh, BOT. Another thing I like about the continuity thing and I know this may annoy some people, but I like how time passes, but outside of growing continuity it doesn't matter that much because cartoon characters don't have to physically age (sans toy based stuff like Twilicorn). :gotcha: Although I do expect the CMC to get their marks eventually, and it would be nice to See spike grow an inch or two. But yeah I'm fine with most of the "maturing" being mental/emotional
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:02 pm

Because of my moving to a new place, this week's RT is a bit late, but it's ready for people who want to participate.

And no, the RT is not discussing whether or not it was a bad episode or whether the Breezies are inherently good or bad, or whether it's pushing toys or not. It's going to be more about the themes of the episode, Flutters and Sea Breeze specifically.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:21 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:And no, the RT is not discussing whether or not it was a bad episode or whether the Breezies are inherently good or bad, or whether it's pushing toys or not.


Interesting ground rules. Count me in.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:29 pm

Amethyst_Gem wrote:
This is probably one of the more subtle difficult-to-define aspects of the show which audiences may enjoy. :ponder:
I've actually often associated MLP FIM with the slice-of-life girl-focused anime, actually, but then I am no expert on that genre either. :pinkieshrug:
I'd say in terms of mood and atmosphere it feels kind of like a less angsty version of the one in Fruits Basket. :v:


The light hearted character driven slice of life comedy of Azumanga Daioh, except it's kinda set in the Shire from Lord of the Rings, except it's :ponydrugs:


Re: Breezy setup a few weeks back.

Yes, definitely glad they'd done that. Without which, this episode would have started off quite awkwardly just being watched blind.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:28 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Because of my moving to a new place, this week's RT is a bit late, but it's ready for people who want to participate.

And no, the RT is not discussing whether or not it was a bad episode or whether the Breezies are inherently good or bad, or whether it's pushing toys or not. It's going to be more about the themes of the episode, Flutters and Sea Breeze specifically.


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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:42 pm

Holy... WTF Digibrony!? Given his recent track record I have no idea what to make of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqauTwkz ... youtu.be&a
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:59 pm

Passport Clean wrote:Holy... WTF Digibrony!? Given his recent track record I have no idea what to make of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqauTwkz ... youtu.be&a


Seems like he was just being the epitome of the kinds of reviewers Kimi Sparkle makes fun of. He liked the parts he could relate to and framed every part of the episode in ways he could relate to. While that's great for enjoying the episode and finding personal value in it, it's hardly a good element for a reviewer to be focusing on.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:02 pm

Alright, I think that's enough of video review talk for one episode.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:06 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:Korra on Nick


Oh yeah, the first Avatar the Last Airbender series was amazing too, how could I forget? I didn't mistake it as anime either. :gotcha:
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:37 pm

Amethyst_Gem wrote:Oh yeah, the first Avatar the Last Airbender series was amazing too, how could I forget? I didn't mistake it as anime either. :gotcha:


Second one's fun too. :grumpydash:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:34 pm

People have commented about Fluttershy's flower as a key item but I wonder if similar to having Breezies in G4, it's actually a shoutout to Wysteria's magic flower. If so, the flower just might outlive her. Speaking of early gen, the Breezies' home looks nothing like Breezie Blossom from G3 but it just might be a homage to Flutter Valley from G1, explicitly the very moment it gets revealed near the end of MLP: The Movie. Pics for comparison:

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Honestly? I don't understand why so many people dislike when an obvious toy tie-in shows up in the show. The show is, after all, just a twenty-minute toy advertisement. And as someone who actually collects said toys, I'd genuinely prefer if they actually tried to sell me new stuff instead of just re-releasing the mane 6 over and over with different amounts of tinsel in their hair


It's been bugging me too. There's a goldmine of good stuff they haven't been making toys of that they really should be releasing. I really want a Crystal Empire Train.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:37 pm

I did not care for this episode at all. Boring and predictable as all get out. Might be my least favorite episode of the show. A good message and all but.. Was more tedious than compelling. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:17 pm

PictishBeast wrote:Fluttershy: Has it been an hour already? Oh, my goodness! Time flies when you're making sure little creatures don't feel that you're abandoning them to the cruel world.

Twilight Sparkle: But they're not going to a cruel world, right? They're going home.

Fluttershy: Oh, yes. That’s right.


As I heard the line I thought it fitted so well with Fluttershy’s overprotective behavior towards her fish in the Pirate comics. She can have trouble letting go.

I liked the episode the first time I saw it, and it has actually only gotten better. I would now rank it as a great key episode, second only to Rarity takes Manehattan (Pinkie Pride was a better episode overall, but not particular fitting as a key episode). Of all the ponies, Fluttershy and Rarity are the ones whose Element is also their weakness—Rarity can be taken advantage of, as can Fluttershy, and this was explored well in this episode. Happily, Fluttershy was not hurt as deeply as Rarity was in the process. That would have been nearly unbearable.

It is a gentle episode, and so fits Fluttershy well. There need not be any dramaah for an episode to be good, and this episode had but little.

Aramek absolutely nailed it with Sea Breeze. As for Youtube critics—if people do not have the courage to put their opinions in writing, and afterwards engage in discussion, I see little point in listening to them. A soapbox and a microphone are not ideal vehicles for the exchange of views. I was disappointed (prior to my discovery of this delightful corner of the fandom) when /r/MLPAnalysis was created and turned into nothing more than links to people pontificating on their respective Youtube channels. A waste and a missed opportunity.

If there is still room, time, and opportunity, I’d be happy to serve on this week’s RT.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:26 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:P
It's been bugging me too. There's a goldmine of good stuff they haven't been making toys of that they really should be releasing. I really want a Crystal Empire Train.


In many regards, I’ve given up on Hasbro, when it comes to merchandize—they are not really targeting my demographic (and why should they? The intended audience is buying, so that’s fine). Happily, they license their IP, and this is something that makes me hopeful (I like my Funkos just fine, but this is on a whole different level):

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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:40 pm

Niels Olof wrote:In many regards, I’ve given up on Hasbro, when it comes to merchandize—they are not really targeting my demographic (and why should they? The intended audience is buying, so that’s fine).


From discussions I've had elsewhere, the frustration I have is how they can handle the toy side of things so well with Transformers yet keep dropping the ball with MLP. Though this probably better relegated to the toy thread.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:11 am

ZamuelNow wrote:
From discussions I've had elsewhere, the frustration I have is how they can handle the toy side of things so well with Transformers yet keep dropping the ball with MLP. Though this probably better relegated to the toy thread.


I’m not a Transformers fan, but my understanding is that they have had an adult fan base for a long time. Perhaps we can hope for more adult targeted merchandize in years to come, once that part of Hasbro’s corporate culture has adapted to us.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:20 am

Niels Olof wrote:
I’m not a Transformers fan, but my understanding is that they have had an adult fan base for a long time. Perhaps we can hope for more adult targeted merchandize in years to come, once that part of Hasbro’s corporate culture has adapted to us.

I think a big part of it is that Transformers is targeted at boys whereas MLP is targeted at girls. Stuffy old corporate executives, much like those at Hasbro, still think 1. that things for girls are inherently worth less than things for boys, and 2. that toys even have to be segregated by gender in the first place. It took a visionary like Lauren Faust to dump tons of heart and soul into FiM and to inspire all the other people who work on the show to do the same. Sadly, there's still a big barrier between Hasbro's toymakers and Hasbro Studios.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:33 am

I think the greatest surprise I had, when watching the (quite commendable BTW) documentary My Little Obsession was that Hasbro has representatives at MLP conventions. Not G4 cons, mind you, but the conventions for the collectors of the prior generations. So they can engage with an adult pony fandom.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:05 am

I thought Hasbro's presence at the long running MLP conventions (but not G4 cons) was pretty well known. It's one of the few corporate principles Hasbro does share with TF. The issue is that it seems like there's disconnect between current and long running fans, ranging from differences in tastes to a bit of disrespect.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:44 am

It ain't easy being Hasbro. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:35 am

I just got home from rigland, I'm assuming it's too late to be a part of the RT? If not then yes, I would like to do this.
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Postby Frith (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:53 pm

I've now watched the episode few times and my opinion about the episode hasn't really changed from Saturday. There were some things I really liked in the episode but unfortunately some things were quite weak.

I think that the biggest problem for me in this episode were Breezies. IMO they weren't particularly cute and most of all, their actions didn't make much sense. I just didn't understand why they wouldn't want to go home when their home seemed to be quite nice place. That was the reason why it was difficult to sympathize their with their cause or care about them.

But on the other hand Fluttershy and the dilemma she faced in this episode were really well written. I also liked the lessons about "tough love" that she and Sea Breeze (who was the best character in the episode) learned here.

As for the other characters, I didn't care much about them. And I didn't like their breezie-forms, they looked creepy.

So if I need summarize this episode some how I would say that the basic plot was really good but everything that was added above it was quite weak. There wasn't anything particularly bad in the episode so I would say that it was decent episode.
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:58 pm

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I think the moral just kind of rubs me the wrong way-- I mean, the main idea here is "don't be an enabler," which is fine advice, but during the scene where Fluttershy saves Seabreeze and realizes she needs to be firm with the Breezies I couldn't help thinking of insufferable "THE PROBLEM WITH KIDS THESE DAYS IS THEY THINK THEY'RE SPECIAL WE NEED TO GIVE THEM TOUGH LOVE" types and that soured the message for me. That's really my issue more than the episode's, though.

I also thought it was weird that we basically got the moral 2/3 of the way in. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it was definitely odd to see them wrap up the "Fluttershy has to save the day by learning an important lesson" part so early and spend the rest of the episode on "everybody saves the day by doing something essentially unrelated to the important lesson." We do get to see Seabreeze be encouraging instead of a dick, which solidifies the episode's "you have to be kind but firm" moral, but I still wouldn't say that's what the third act is really about.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:48 am

Opposing Farce wrote:I also thought it was weird that we basically got the moral 2/3 of the way in. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it was definitely odd to see them wrap up the "Fluttershy has to save the day by learning an important lesson" part so early and spend the rest of the episode on "everybody saves the day by doing something essentially unrelated to the important lesson." We do get to see Seabreeze be encouraging instead of a dick, which solidifies the episode's "you have to be kind but firm" moral, but I still wouldn't say that's what the third act is really about.

It made for an interesting change of pace, I thought. MMC is the only other episode that has really done that. Varying the structure of the stories you tell is a good way to keep things fresh, and the third act was entertaining enough (or at least enough of a spectacle) on its own, so I don't mind that they had mostly finished telling the lesson beforehand.
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Postby Mir (?) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:35 am

So question for everyone.
What if the portal closed behind them at the end and the mane 6 got stuck in Breezie world for an episode? An unofficial two parter. What would have been your reactions?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:37 am

Mir wrote:So question for everyone.
What if the portal closed behind them at the end and the mane 6 got stuck in Breezie world for an episode? An unofficial two parter. What would have been your reactions?
:gotcha:

Well, at least the Breezies ain't anywhere near as ugly as the EqG humans.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:40 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:It made for an interesting change of pace, I thought. MMC is the only other episode that has really done that. Varying the structure of the stories you tell is a good way to keep things fresh, and the third act was entertaining enough (or at least enough of a spectacle) on its own, so I don't mind that they had mostly finished telling the lesson beforehand.

Both of these cases were probably to highlight the Hasbro mandates, which couldn't be incorporated into the story well. Can you really call this a positive?
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