S05E17: Brotherhooves Social

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S05E17: Brotherhooves Social

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:42 pm

When Applejack is called away and has to miss participating in the Sisterhooves Social with Apple Bloom, Big Mac decides to fill in for her.


This thread is for discussion of this episode. The episode airs at 11:30 AM Eastern / 8:30 AM Pacific on Saturday, October 3!

Official preview clips and images are okay to post, as is speculation about the episode.

Writer: Dave Polsky
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:44 pm

What I'm most curious about right now is how Sweetie Belle will participate, seeing as Rarity had to be away as well. Maybe she'll just sit this one out, seeing as she got to take Apple Bloom's place way back in S2.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:49 pm

Are there even rules for who can participate? Does it have to be family, or could Sweetie Belle compete with Twlight and Scootaloo with Rainbow Dash?

I'm sure we'll find out Saturday.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 3:51 pm

Master_Twig wrote:Are there even rules for who can participate? Does it have to be family, or could Sweetie Belle compete with Twlight and Scootaloo with Rainbow Dash?

My other guess is that Scootaloo could possibly be Sweetie Belle's "sister," but I doubt that'll happen.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:25 pm

:annoyed: "How could you ditch the Sisterhooves Social this year? After all the character development we had last time?"
:bluh: "It weren't our fault, sugarcube. We were on a VERY IMPORTANT mission!"
:vogue: "Yes! We had to go to Manehattan."
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:rariwhat: "And ... watch a play."
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:liarjack: "Actually we didn't do very much at all."
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:vogue: "But that was the whole point, you see!"
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:33 pm

I really hope this doesn't become a "guy in drag" episode where Big Mac tries to impersonate Applejack.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:49 pm

I wonder if Pinkie Apple Pie will be considered as the fill-in.

And yeah, I'm hoping Big Mac in drag won't be a thing. Or indeed any kind of "Mac attempts to impersonate Applejack" thing at all. I think the best way would be simply to have them rule that it's OK for Big Mac to participate, and then the problem is that AB/Mac have a different teamwork groove than AB/AJ and it's hard to adjust.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:09 pm

Image Miss Belle...it has come to my attention that you are without a partner for the Sisterhooves Social. I therefore offer my services.

:ohboy: All right!

:flail: Image OH NO WE'RE DOOMED
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:18 pm

I just hope Big Mac gets more lines.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:51 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:I wonder if Pinkie Apple Pie will be considered as the fill-in.

And yeah, I'm hoping Big Mac in drag won't be a thing. Or indeed any kind of "Mac attempts to impersonate Applejack" thing at all. I think the best way would be simply to have them rule that it's OK for Big Mac to participate, and then the problem is that AB/Mac have a different teamwork groove than AB/AJ and it's hard to adjust.


It will be an unexpectedly heavy-handed allegory on gender disenfranchisement, and the message will be muddled by the use of male Big Mac as the disadvantaged group member, and we will spend the next three months arguing over whether it's a clever trope inversion riffing on the show universe's matriarchy or a tone-deaf "what if we lived in a dystopia where the groups in power were backwards" thing
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:00 pm

Maybe it's Apple Bloom who has to dress up as a dude, did any of you consider that or have I just BLOWN YOUR MINDS :twiright:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:08 pm

It would be interesting with a Pie Family crossover. :smirk:
Pinkie Pie: So, you see this here? This, um, this is um, a big, round room. It's known for its roundness, and bigness, and did I mention that it's round?
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:15 pm

I hope there will be a lot of slow motion Mac bein' all strong and handsome.
Also, I want at least one pie in the face.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:34 am

FINALLY an episode for men
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Postby Marimo (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:05 am

Wayoshi wrote:Writer: ??

I believe Polsky is the writer.
https://twitter.com/DavePolsky/status/6 ... 0498537473
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:32 am


That is a solid inference, I'll wait until ep to change though.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:40 am

Don't the Apples run the Sisterhooves? They could bend the rules for Big Mac to enter.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:27 pm

The Doctor wrote:I really hope this doesn't become a "guy in drag" episode where Big Mac tries to impersonate Applejack.

Sorry.

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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:40 pm

Oh Pony, you can do better than that. :fluttersmith:

Peter New probably had fun though. :flutterunsmith:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:51 pm

Ugh. That looks awful.


:-/ I bet some Station is going to hit on him during the episode too....
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:03 pm


:whyme:

I, uh, I guess this episode could still pull a positive and meaningful message out of this, but it's still a pretty dumb and tired gag. The fact that Hasbro and Discovery Family decided that this'd best represent the episode is a bit worrying, too.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:04 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Oh Pony, you can do better than that. :fluttersmith:

Polsky often goes for the cliches. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:14 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Polsky often goes for the cliches. :pinkieshrug:

Yeah, at least there's the fact that it's something that cartoons have done for years. I can see how this'd come across as okay to people who aren't terribly involved in gender identity issues, kind of like how Pinkie Pie's "you kinda sounded like a dude" line in Filli Vanilli sailed through to the final episode. However, this is quite a bit more overt than that one line was.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:14 pm

:squintyjack: Big Mac, you got some splainin' to do!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:40 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Yeah, at least there's the fact that it's something that cartoons have done for years. I can see how this'd come across as okay to people who aren't terribly involved in gender identity issues, kind of like how Pinkie Pie's "you kinda sounded like a dude" line in Filli Vanilli sailed through to the final episode. However, this is quite a bit more overt than that one line was.


Maybe it's just a one off gag. Plan a and fails miserably.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:26 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Polsky often goes for the cliches. :pinkieshrug:

This plus a pie in the face would be good.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:27 pm

I have faith that Pony won't let us down and this is just a quick gag. :eeyup:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:52 pm

It doesn't have the feel of a gag to me.
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:22 pm

Wayoshi wrote:It doesn't have the feel of a gag to me.


Really? Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo's reactions make me tend to think it's a gag.
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Postby Chronos30 (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:33 pm

Of course it's a gag, but will it go for a full act or full episode? It.. it might. :gonkity:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:36 pm

One animation detail I like is the movement of Scootaloo and Sweetie's pupils as they stare at Big Mac. :cooliebelle:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:00 pm

I guess I meant in terms of plot focus or not, as mentioned by "quick gag". I have a feeling this is the main plot.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:08 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I guess I meant in terms of plot focus or not, as mentioned by "quick gag". I have a feeling this is the main plot.


I feel like it could go 50/50. The CMC reaction suggests no one is going to buy it. But they could have all the adults be stupid enough to buy it.

And while it's a totally different team, I guess it should be noted that the comics crew has done "guy in drag" and it wasn't that bad. Though, in that case it was a very small part of a bigger story. It wasn't even part of their plan. It was to get back at him for not returning his friend's Bat'leth.

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Postby Wildfire (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:41 pm



Eeyup. Eeyup.
Dude looks like a lady.

Eeyup. Eeyup.
Dude looks like a lady.

The CMC's expressions are priceless. :hilarious:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:45 pm

Considering how even Apple Bloom is shocked, it seems like she wasn't expecting this, either.

And unfortunately I gotta run out of town this weekend, so I will miss this episode live. :argh:
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Postby Minty (?) » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:50 pm

Yeah, not sure how well this will go. I think it has been established that Big Macintosh does like to dress in a feminine fashion on occasion, but this seems like it can go too quickly into an unintentionally mean-spirited joke.

If anything, Peter New himself did tell some transphobic brony to shut up on Twitter the other day. This was unrelated to this clip.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:29 am

Yeah I do not have much faith in this episode at all. Historically speaking, I'm not sure this sort of gag has ever gone without being totally awful :-/

This is very much an old cartoon trope that, in my opinion, basically shouldn't be attempted ever again, and it's really disappointing to see pony turn to it.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:52 am

Well the CMC are left totally speechless (that's a first), I'll be keen to see how this episode plays out.

I hope they don't do that 'he loses his disguise piece by piece' thing, but I think they might :unenthused:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:13 am

MurdER_weapOn '78 wrote:Well the CMC are left totally speechless (that's a first), I'll be keen to see how this episode plays out.

I hope they don't do that 'he loses his disguise piece by piece' thing, but I think they might :unenthused:

That already happened earlier this season (Troubleshoes being revealed under his clown outfit). I doubt the show would want to do the same thing again so soon.
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:23 am

Yeah I had the Troubleshoes thing in mind, and it wasn't any good then either :-/

Hopefully this ep can surprise us in a positive way :amazing:

15 seconds isn't much to go on.
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