S04E14: Filli Vanilli

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Re: S04E14: Filli Vanilli

Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:04 pm

So did anyone notice that Cheerilee fainted when Big Macintosh "sang"? :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:06 pm

Yeah, I caught that. Funny as hell little call back there.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:08 pm

Wylie wrote:So much good in this episode. Go back and look at Cheerilee swooning at Big Mac's performance, then glancing back up at him to make sure he saw her do it. :iamapony:

This is textbook Pony: take a by-the-numbers plot, play it pretty much straight, and add so much adorableness in the margins that it just shines.

Great job all around, I say. It's not the best episode ever, but it's not trying to be, either.

Also, Torch Song is a perfect name for her. Torch singers usually have a strong alto range, and that's exactly the part she filled in the group. Yay musical accuracy! :allears:




Agreed. Cheers faint was adorable. *goes into Cheerimac OTP mode* :gotcha:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:10 pm

You know what's really unique about this episode?

We have a straight-up lip synch semi-scandal, true to the episode title. Big Mac kinda struggles but no one is any wiser. So of course eventually, Big Mac will finally tire out, or desynch, and Pinkie / someone will still hear the voice and it's suspiciously coming from backstage... etc. etc. etc.

NO. It's Fluttershy enjoying herself more and more that eventually her groovy moves expose herself.

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So I guess two official songs here. As Amy hinted at, Daniel decided to rework a lot, or at least enough to get sole credit.

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Thank you, Cathy & Tabitha, for filling in minor roles like it was nothing. :jingo: Also thanks to chat for helping me figure out the reference on this name.

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All these new people for these roles! :twonk:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:18 pm

"A little slice of heaven." :twasnothin:

Pony afterlife confirmed. :ponder:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:22 pm

Damn...pony heaven must be awesome to get into. :v:
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Postby HuffyTheMagicDragon (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:42 pm


Whippoorwills were quite common where I grew up, and they can be the most obnoxious birds. They sing at night and just don't stop singing - never even pause for breath. Good luck getting any sleep with one outside your window. Image So if you guys found Zipporwhill annoying, just know she was aptly named.
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:45 pm

Haxmega's stream was working horribly on my slow laptop so I decided to wait until it got uploaded to watch it.

And holy crap this was great. They really hit all of the notes spot on here. The songs were amazing, the flutterguy joke didn't feel overdone, the character writing was good and I loved how the moral could set up potential stories in the future. Amy Keating Rogers is easily my new favorite pony writer now, and it's up there with Pinkie Pride and Rarity takes Manehatten for my favorite episodes this season. I'm not sure if it hits Hurricane Fluttershy levels when it comes to Fluttershy writing but this episode has acapella so it automatically has a huge edge over it.

Also, I actually really liked Pinkie this episode, at least compared to some of the other stuff she's done this season. I'd take "ignorant Pinkie who is kind of a jerk but at least her friends call her out for it and at least she's pretty smart and has common sense and has a good amount of depth" over "idiot Pinkie who says stupid and unfunny things that her friends never call her out on" anyday.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:00 pm

Now I'd like to hear Big Mac and Fluttershy do the "Two And A Half Men" theme. :eeyup: :dreamworks:

Spike can perform Jake's part. :yikes:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:01 pm

I hope that doesn't make either of them Charlie Sheen... :bluh:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:02 pm

Welp. That sure was a thing that happened.

I gotta say, I sure am glad I go into these things blind, because Flutterguy came as a total surprise. I had a hunch when it was Big Mac who lost his voice, but I was like... "Naw, they wouldn't... would they? Holy shit, they are." Remember on Recess how Mikey's singing voice was Robert Goulet? Remember how they just about ran that into the ground? Of course, they at least had the excuse that it was literally his real voice, so they had to use it whenever he had the opportunity to sing. What I'm getting at is that this was a pretty cool twist for this one episode and I hope they never ever do it again. And I mean that in only the best way. The song itself was pretty great too. Ingram needs more opportunities to just write music without having to accommodate lyrics that someone else already wrote.

That having been said, the execution of the first scene of the episode was deeply flawed. For one thing, Pinkie Pie. This was the worst she's ever been, bar none, and that's speaking as someone who could stomach "A Friend in Deed". It was almost salvaged by the newspaper and the line "Stop being ridiculous" "But I'm so good at it!" Almost. When Pinkie went into her spiel, I legitimately thought Fluttershy was just imagining her saying that, especially when the background went all abstract. That would have been a neat twist and totally in character for the pony who hallucinates hundreds of disembodied eyeballs staring at her. But no, Pinkie just woke up and decided to be an asshole to her most sensitive friend today. :-/

And how about the others, eh? Captain, Commander, General, Major, and Private Oblivious over there. Oh, the shy, timid pony is timid and shy? What a shocking revelation to her five best friends in the whole world! You may recall that I was sick of that shit way back when they pulled it in "Dragonshy." I suppose they might be expected to spell this out for the kids who just started watching, but I don't recall that ever being an issue before. And look, I can buy that she still has issues with stage fright after appearing in the Hearth's Warming Eve pageant. But given how the rest of the episode plays out, it wasn't at all necessary for that to come as such a shocking revelation.

Don't get me wrong; they did a good job of making up for all that with the rest of the episode. The montage of them singing for event after event just got better and better, and the diving suit hit the sweet spot between utterly ridiculous and still funny enough to justify itself. Speaking of which, there were some nice touches from the avoid-using-modern-technology team this week. The fireflies on the stage being the... what's the official theater term for those lights anyway? And the lack of microphones forcing Fluttershy to be close to the stage in increasingly-contrived ways. Though you really would think microphones would be on the table given how they've been around since season one. Still, the show's avoidance of modern technology has pretty much always been dependent on whether they can make a joke out of it.

Other scattered thoughts: Zipporwhill is such a My Little Pony name, I'm surprised it wasn't swiped from some G3 character. Her dad made me think he was a Kevin Smith pony cameo when he first showed up in the crowd. Zecora's rhymes were coherent and didn't feel forced. In some ways it's extremely obvious that this episode came from a writer who had worked side-by-side with Lauren in season one. Really makes me wonder what the hell happened with that first scene.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:04 pm

Got on friend's internet... super laggy so trying to get the episode to buffer on 240...

Fluttershy's mini song was cute. :allears:
Pinkie: I HATE HER. :unenthused:
Bigmac solo in the Ponytones song nearly flipped out, so had to bite my hand not to shout and upset the guy where we're staying.
SPIKE Being an arse to the other pony tones... got a chuckle... but really... meh. :yikes:
I like the other mare, the one with gemstones in her beehive hairstyle. She looks like a really nice mare... just saying... :-I
Its interesting that suddenly theres different style for colt ponies... they used to be slightly stockier modles with flatter snouts, or clydesdale style like Bigmac... now their small body, long legs tall necks, like how Cheese was :pinkieshrug:
Pinkie..... :silly:
:doomed: I can fix this pony that is hoarse ... i chuckled...
Confused by the stocky pegasus and filly... ill have to wait to see this in HD i guess
Song is catchy
Cheerlilee swooning over Big Mac... :facehoof:
CMC werent invited to Whipperwill's cuteciniera i see... but worstponi was :twistberg:
Did.... did Fluttershy make a "USB eject" noise when she got ousted? :starity:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:04 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I hope that doesn't make either of them Charlie Sheen... :bluh:

Fluttershy is the guy who plays Alan, Big Mac is Ashton Kutcher :-P
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:10 pm

Cold open

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Music makes the chicken feed go anti-gravity!

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And the music makes you heart soar in replyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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:allears: : Good morning Harry!

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:thejoke: : Another chance for our shiny new lighting effect? Do it!

(Watching the path & surrounding grass slide on by here is another fresh piece of animation)

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Obligatory :allears: of the episode.... WAIT... Fluts episode... yes, so many :allears: faces to come!!

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Cat got your hat, AJ? :v:

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:fluttersmith: We'll make it through this ep, Fluts.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:17 pm

HuffyTheMagicDragon wrote:The whole episode was really funny. Yes, including Pinkie playing the part of S1 Rainbow Dash. I almost feel like they need a character who just "says it like it is", and since they've sort of developed Dash beyond that (since episodes like Dragonshy), they have to fall back on Pinkie. The fact that she got called out on it made it work, IMO.


Gilda The Brush-Off predates Dragonshy by two weeks and already established Pinkie Pie as being considerate enough of Fluttershy to not be this dumb with her words and actions. :twiright: Any other character with the same problem, sure, because Pinkie wouldn't think they need to be handled gentler. Her obnoxiousness was funny, sure, but way too excessive for this ep.

That's probably all worth saying. The added instrumentation in the song once Fluttershy joins in was a bit disappointing, but it didn't really hinder my enjoyment of it. Pretty good episode otherwise, Zipperhole (or whatever her name was) and dad were cool, "Flutterguy" worked well, etc. Everything else everybody already said.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:23 pm

Despite Internet troubles, I finally got to see this episode, and it really was excellent. I'm especially thankful for how well Fluttershy's anxieties were portrayed, as well as her progress past them. That's the way people like her really are. It's not something we can just overcome by doing a thing, and I was just a little bit worried that the episode would slip into that trap again, but luckily the resolution was perfect.

I'll also say again what I said about Pinkie Pie earlier. Sure, she was inadvertently being mean, but that's because she just doesn't understand Fluttershy's troubles. If you all hated her for it, well, now you have an idea of how people like me view such otherwise well-meaning treatment. Blame Pinkie Pie for this, not AKR.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:29 pm

^ But Pinkie HAS been shown to understand, as Davy just stated. And look at this:

Everypony staring at you, judging you, jealously noting how they could be way better than you? Why wasn't it them? Why wasn't it them? And then, when you choke, they'll turn on you, becoming a seething, angry mob, and you'll be horribly humiliated, never able to show your face in Ponyville again!


The last sentence is not "haha brutal honesty", it's Pinkie getting crazy at a terrible time where her character should be restrained there.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:31 pm

  • :wink: Um, thank you, Spike, but this is an ensembe.
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  • Pinkie's turkey call :horse:
  • :doomed: I can cure this pony that is hoarse... :rimshot:
  • :applejargh: Big Mac, you've got some 'splainin' to do!
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It looked like the set was actually rotating -- something that makes sense in a stage production but was surprising to see here in animation.

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A nice detail from the performance: Fireflies as stage lighting.
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And at the end of the song, they fly off for effect.
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"It's like I'm looking in a mirror!"
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:nnngh: I hope this was an adoption drive and not just a fundraiser...
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Holy shit.
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Farewell, mother. Farewell, father.
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Postby Yolostar (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:32 pm

This episode had alot of things that I liked but the overall story was kinda dumb. You can only do "Fluttershy is shy about something" so many times. And holy shit can we please turn down Pinkie? She's really starting to get on my nerves.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:36 pm

Wayoshi wrote:^ But Pinkie HAS been shown to understand, as Davy just stated. And look at this:



The last sentence is not "haha brutal honesty", it's Pinkie getting crazy at a terrible time where her character should be restrained there.

Pinkie Pie showing that sort of restraint and consideration has been such a rarity in the series that it seems unreasonable to expect it again when she's crazy by default. Besides, the GTBO example was over a prank, something which has at least a bit of mean spirit to it. What Pinkie was doing here was complimenting Fluttershy, something she most likely thought Fluttershy would appreciate.
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Postby Kamek (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:47 pm

Wow did Pinkie wake up on the wrong side of the bed or something because she was a fucking jerk this episode :-/

Pinkie aside this was an adorable episode. Kinda surprised they actually brought back Flutterguy. But I think we now finally have an explanation for why Big Mac doesn't say much... he's saving his voice for the Ponytones!

Though that brings up another thing... the sudden reveal that "Oh yeah Rarity and Big Mac are part of a pony quartet and always have been, and also Twilight's always had an older brother". It's making me wonder what else these ponies are up to when the "camera" isn't on them :ponder:
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Postby reidransom (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:49 pm

There was a lot to like about this episode, but I'm a bit disappointed that they made what should have been left as a one time gag so central to the plot.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:53 pm

Kamek wrote:Though that brings up another thing... the sudden reveal that "Oh yeah Rarity and Big Mac are part of a pony quartet and always have been, and also Twilight's always had an older brother". It's making me wonder what else these ponies are up to when the "camera" isn't on them :ponder:

To a certain extent, this is a good thing. It makes them feel more like real people instead of just characters in a cartoon. Fluttershy being a big fan of them felt a bit strange, but other than that it was okay to me. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:00 pm

I think I have a new favorite episode :yay: :yay: :yay: I need to write more words about this when I'm at a computer and I've watched it a dozen more times :allears: :allears: My brain is so full of Flutt right now I don't even know what to say.
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Postby Mr_Peaches (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:12 pm

Oh man y'all. This was so great. I had read the premise of the episode, and I'd pretty

much written it off as "Well... I guess this writing team will make it okay."

THE PREMISE AS ACCORDING TO MR.PEACHES' INITIAL READING OF THE PREMISE

I was certain that some dumb pop-music analogue was going to be performing in Ponyville, and Fluttershy was a big fan because plot. And they come in, and they're all... poppy. And ick. And then one of them gets out of commission, and Fluttershy jumps in to help them because plot. And the lesson is that... um... face your fears. Woo.

THE ACTUAL EPISODE GOODNESS GRACIOUS

Adorable Fluttershy Freight Train to the Heart
Big Mac Singing Base
PONY BARBERSHOP QUARTET
Superb Music
Turkey Call
THE RETURN OF FLUTTERGUY

... AND SO MUCH MORE

I ADORE that they have a Ponyville quartet. Barbershop singing is freaking awesome and I am totally not biased seeing as how I've been singing since I was a kid and have sang in a barbershoppy setting once or twice. That kind of thing seems completely organic to Equestria and Ponyville especially--a simple, small-town type of music that really only needs its members rather than expensive instruments and frosted manes.

It seems that I've learned a lesson on making preconceptions this week. It seems that I... am the one that has learned about friendship this week.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:15 pm

Fizz: I fail to see how at least her early spiel is complimenting her. It's extreme speculative dialogue put in to exacerbate Fluts' fears, because I guess if all the Mane 6 were understanding, there may not have been enough conflict. :pinkieshrug:

Re: Flutterguy - what sold it for me was that it really wasn't used as a joke, it was all perfectly for the plot. Milli Vanilli semi-scandal with Fluts replacing Big Mac? Funny as hell plot. There were no "wow Fluts is now has a fucking jazzy voice, let's point it out extra well" joke in this episode.

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Put all those bits into the fat piggy bank, thanks...

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A suitable punishment must be doled out for Demon Pie...

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No, she's enjoying that paper hit, Rarity! Arrgh. :glare: :v:

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:vogue: :tabitha: : "Pardon me??"

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Don't give that look Rarity, you know what's coming. :glare:

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R.D.: still the best Flutterfriend. :jingo:

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Ohai there WeirdFace Pie

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:cool:

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From :allright: to :excitedpie: or something. Heh

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StockVectorShy sighting

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Some nice decorations for an event at the town park... reminds me of the end of the pilot

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:eeyup: : Eeyup, I'm getting the love this season!

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Obligatory :allears: cute Fluts #2

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:eenope: : I'm the leading voice here, not her!

(Rarity's "ensemble" has a French dialect, 2 syllables)

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Spa friend ponies :allears:

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This is an interesting scene that goes on a little longer than you might expect. Some new animal designs too.

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Today's not going to be your day, Big Mac.

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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:22 pm

Pinkie's dialogue is cruel, but she's acting in place of the cruellest person to Fluttershy - Fluttershy's internal monologue. It's over-the-top, it's irrational, but that's the nature of this kind of distorted thought. Externalizing it makes it clear just how cruel we can be to ourselves even if we would never be so to others.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:27 pm

It's still worth remembering that the other four repeatedly admonished Pinkie Pie for being like that. No matter how mean she might've ended up being, I'm still happy with how the episode handled it all. That was one of AFID's problems, that Pinkie never really got told off for her clinginess and persistence there. At this point I hope there'll be a future episode, perhaps like this one, where Pinkie and her loud mouth are properly addressed.


And on another note, know what I just realized? Big Mac has now spoken more words than Cheerilee has this season. If they're both that quiet, they really are meant for each other! :ohboy: But seriously, given the way she swooned, I guess Cheerilee really does like him. :3:
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:31 pm

Pinkie's probably had plenty of ponies get pissed at her for pranking them in the past, and has learned to be careful. But stage fright is completely outside her experience. As far as she was concerned, she was just rambling on and being silly.

In other words, Pinkie is very good at sympathy, but her empathy is poor. She likes other ponies, and she likes them to be happy, but she has trouble understanding where they're coming from.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:38 pm

Just watched it. Liked it a lot. Cute as hell. Rarity was great. Loved the dorky vocal quartet in their sweaters and bow ties, that's exactly the kind of act that would be popular in Ponyville. Liked all the callbacks.

But this...

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What the shit was that?! Never do that again, pony show. That design job is so shitty it approaches "Matt Damon Visits Arthur" levels of shitty.

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:40 pm

^ :flutterdear: : That's a little harsh, don't you think?

(I liked it :pinkieshrug: )
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:41 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:I had zero faith in this episode being anything but a wank but holy shit if this isn't amazing.


This. I kind of expected this one to suck, and the Zecora scene with the Flutterguy reference was really cringeworthy, but I didn't even care cause everything else was so amazing.

Fluttershy having a blast singing behind the curtain was the cutest thing ever :allears:

And now I've got the music in me AND I CAN'T GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD :twonk:
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Postby Mr_Peaches (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:46 pm

Yeah, I have a question actually. Is that large pegasus with the black sweater, beard and accent and the teeny pegasus supposed to be based on somebody? It kind of looks like they are but I didn't recognize a reference if there is one.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:54 pm

Just my opinion, but I would have preferred more well known characters to set up the Fluttertour plot. Have Celestia, for example, invite them to an event in Canterlot and give the episode some extra punch...it's not like Celly has been overused this season. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:55 pm

So...did they base the design off of the voice actors then?
:plonk: Image :)
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:01 pm

This episode ended in the most :) possible. Fantastic. :yay:/10

Those scenes imagined by Fluttershy were all :starity:

it's bloody difficult waking up at 8:15 AM. Couldn't make it to the damn stream again. :applejargh:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:02 pm



These three are fantastic!
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:03 pm

I have to say, though, Pinkie was the absolute worst here. It's like she had no idea how to interact with a particularly sensitive friend despite all other prior episodes.
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