S05E14: Canterlot Boutique

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Re: S05E14: Canterlot Boutique

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:22 pm

On Sassy Saddles: Another thing I appreciate was just that she was merely overambitious and overeager to succeed, not so much that she was majorly trying to steal Rarity's thunder and glory. It seems like this episode could've easily played her like that, so I'm glad we didn't get a character who was black and white in that regard.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:23 pm

Awesome new episode, loved it. Was afraid it'd be a re-tread of Suited for Success, but I was pleasantly surprised by the complexity of the issue.

Also, I'm surprised Hasbro let this air. It attacks their own practices. :-I
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:23 pm

This may sound crazy, but could the fat pony be a Kate Beaton reference?

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Beaton also happens to be Canadian, where the show is made. :ponder:
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:27 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:On Sassy Saddles: Another thing I appreciate was just that she was merely overambitious and overeager to succeed, not so much that she was majorly trying to steal Rarity's thunder and glory. It seems like this episode could've easily played her like that, so I'm glad we didn't get a character who was black and white in that regard.


Yea I was worried it'd be like the last fashion episode where oh no the 'helpful' person is actually a thief who is mean. No, she's just kinda super over eager to do well and just needed to be told 'yo, pull back a bit, I want to help just let me work how I normally do and we'll be fine'.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:29 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:With that said, I kind of wonder what the lesson really was. I doubt kids are to look at this and get ideas on how to run businesses, so if Meghan and the gang were aiming to convey any particular moral, it must be more abstract than that.

Generally speaking, it's about not letting others force you to compromise on what makes you truly happy, and that success doesn't always come from following the crowd.

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Postby Cthulhu Inc (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:53 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:On Sassy Saddles: Another thing I appreciate was just that she was merely overambitious and overeager to succeed, not so much that she was majorly trying to steal Rarity's thunder and glory. It seems like this episode could've easily played her like that, so I'm glad we didn't get a character who was black and white in that regard.

Well, she did say „Sassy Saddles Boutique“ :-I
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Postby Baron Porkface (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:53 pm

Had it's moments but was a bit too similar to other Rarisodes.
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Postby LunarRainbow92 (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:50 pm

I Loved the song "Rules of Rarity" and Sassy Saddles, what can I say about her: She was a pain in the neck at first but eventually you really feel sorry for her because she had worked at a failed boutique before, I also loved the new dresses in this episode (Especially Luna's *squeals*), Really liked how this was a "Rarity" episode and the mane six weren't it in that much because she really deserves her own episode plot
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:52 pm

Guess who's back. :) To be honest, I lost interest in pony for a while there, but I've been drifting back into it bit by bit.

Anyone else feel Rarity came across as a little ungrateful at first, when she'd just started getting bothered by things? Or is it just me?
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:56 pm

Fun fact: Sassy Saddles was named by AKR's daughter.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:15 pm

Now there needs to be a followup episode where Celestia chews Twilight out for abusing her station in the service of business favors towards a friend.

:pcstare: "Do you want a corruption probe? Do you? I mean, you're practically begging for one at this point."

Lorce wrote:Worked at all the major Canterlot boutiques sounds so much better than Fired from all the major Canterlot boutiques. :v:


That was the first thing that sprang to mind, only it was even worse - she bankrupted all her old employers.

And that was the real moral of the episode: Never let your Director of Marketing run the business.

(Alternatively: Hire Slow and Fire Fast.)

Fizzbuzz wrote:Great stuff today. I'm really glad that the lesson wasn't about Rarity possibly having to be away from her friends; in fact, the other five all seemed incredibly happy that she was finally getting to do this.


Same. Faust had mentioned that her endgame for Rarity was setting up a shop in Canterlot, and I was mildly afraid that they were going to torpedo that with the cliche "but I miss my friends!" moral. So glad they didn't do that and actually made it a reality.

Bakertoons wrote:This may sound crazy, but could the fat pony be a Kate Beaton reference?


That's what I thought it was as well. Beaton pony finally got a speaking role!
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:24 pm

Here we go with blind reaction to :ponydrugs: !

  • Pinkie with the best fucking entrance! Also anything with cilantro is sickening, deal with the truth.
  • Dear Rarity: How do you tear open an envelope while wearing boxing gloves not having hands? Yours, fhwhgwadz.
  • -1 for Twilight Sparkle exposition, but +2 for continuity from Sweetie Belle Toils!
  • Oh my God, there's a second Rarity in the world and her name is Sassy. By the end of the episode, these two unicorns will either be lifelong chums, or dead by each other's hooves.
  • Twilight loves Sassy's attention to detail. Dash loves her because they have similar colors and she's 60% sure they're the same pony.
  • As princess, Twilight has many burdensome responsibilities, like wearing pretty dresses.
  • Ah. "Dead by each other's hooves" it is, then.
  • The judges award Rainbow Dash's snort 10/10!
  • Uh oh, Sassy's not showy, she's actually evil!
  • Fashion Plate just gave :awesomedash: some stiff competition.
  • Sassy's evil but she's also legitimately helping the presentation. Moral complexity? In my ponies?
  • Rarity's trapped in a sweatshop of her own making!
  • A song! Bet by the last chorus, it won't be quite as chipper.
  • Have we seen the Three Cookies unicorn before? I like her design.
  • The next chorus is sad AND the color scheme is washed out! Oh no!!
  • Color and chipper are back!!!
  • Once again, ponies are just the fucking worst. :-/
  • Assembly Line Rarity is destined to be someone's avatar.
  • Still unsure whether it's Rarity or Sassy who's going to learn a lesson here.
  • Oh shit, Rarity's going Galt!
  • Gothy Pony and Valley Pony need a spinoff, like now.
  • Dear Princess Celestia: Today I learned that Rarity is always right and everything will be OK if you shut up and do exactly as she says. As it should be! :vogue:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:37 pm

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:52 pm

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:gotcha: entirely accurate depiction of a Celestia fan vs. Luna fan.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:53 pm

One thing's for sure, I am going to miss AKR after this season. (Remember that she's going to be working for Disney on something.)
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:24 pm

The Doctor wrote:Image

:gotcha: entirely accurate depiction of a Celestia fan vs. Luna fan.

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They are sisters, apparently.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:11 pm

Rarity episodes are always enjoyable and this one is great. :vogue:

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  • Gothy Pony and Valley Pony need a spinoff, like now.


Agreed. :cheese:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:16 pm

The Doctor wrote:Image

:gotcha: entirely accurate depiction of a Celestia fan vs. Luna fan.

Their designs are really great, especially when wearing those dresses.

(Except, if I were making them then I would've kept the pink one's hair out of her eyes. The eyes are so vital to expressions that it bugs me when they're covered more than necessary. But that's just me being :twonk: about art again...)
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:18 pm

Love the song. :vogue: Songwriting has gotten so much better with every new season.
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Postby Juniper Phoenix (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:30 pm

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I was (and still am) running on no sleep when I saw today's episode. If the room-full of people I was watching this with didn't also lose their shit with me the moment she appeared on-screen, I might have seriously considered that she was some bizarre product of a sleep deprivation-induced hallucination. Like...just...what am I looking at? What is this? What?

I'm scared.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:16 pm

I will miss AKR too.
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Postby Brunellus (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:22 pm

Bakertoons wrote:This may sound crazy, but could the fat pony be a Kate Beaton reference?

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Beaton also happens to be Canadian, where the show is made. :ponder:

That was my guess. Either that or it's a caricature of OCs in general. (Cutie mark is five stars surrounding a sixth like Twilight's and the face reminds me of that Twilight face that shows up in FiW. I wouldn't have been too surprised if she sprouted wings.)

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Yeah, but we had some good times.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:34 pm

Image Applejack, with all the work on your farm, you must have worn your hooves down to the nub on a few occasions.

:bluh: Nah...we Apples are too hardy fer that to happen.

Image What about the time you were so sore you had to soak your hooves in Equesom salts and...

:applejargh: Hush up, Rainbow Dash!
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:34 pm

MochaBean wrote:Now there needs to be a followup episode where Celestia chews Twilight out for abusing her station in the service of business favors towards a friend.

:pcstare: "Do you want a corruption probe? Do you? I mean, you're practically begging for one at this point."



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Postby everyponytothelimit (?) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:56 pm

Pinky had the envelope taped to hoof at the start.

Good detail, good episode.
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Postby Zuzie (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:46 am

I think Woah Nelly would be the best name for the fat pony.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:04 am

Zuzie wrote:I think Woah Nelly would be the best name for the fat pony.

Only if it's spelled the correct way: Whoa Nelly. :glare:
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:30 am

The thing about Sassy Saddles is that she's a legitimately good marketer and businesspony in her own style. What doesn't make sense to me is the line about her old boutiques failing - if she sold as many dresses as those hundreds of Princess Dresses I would think she'd be a millionaire by now.

I was going to do a long writeup here but ShortSkirtsAndExplosions already posted everything I was going to say, so just go read that and pretend I pasted the entire thing here.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:38 am

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So I just found out who voiced him and the big pony...

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:gotcha: entirely accurate depiction of a Celestia fan vs. Luna fan.


I accept that. :-P
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:58 am

My copy/pasted opinions from elsewhere:

Great episode, really enjoyed it. Like "Suited for Success", it actually addressed a bunch ofvery real issues that creative people (successful creative people, specifically) face in the real world; the risks of putting others in charge of your work, dealing with success versus creative integrity, giving people what they want as opposed to showing them something they don't know they want yet, etc.

I like that Sassy was actually a very savvy manager, too. Perhaps she was a little too good at her job and not quite good enough at actually being an employee.

Great to see so many new background ponies too. I can tell a bunch of them are going to end up as fan favourites.

Finally, I liked the song too. I don't really have a good sense of it after a single listen, but I think it'll definitely be a grower.

If I had any complaints, it'd be that Pinkie is kinda back in "lol random" mode here. Could've done with a little less of that.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:01 am

I really liked it! I loved all the stuff about Rarity loving seeing the customers find the perfect dress for them, that kind of stuff always gets to me emotionally for some reason. It's probably the same reason I cry at Ratatouille always like an idiot. Might be the best fashion-based episode since Suited For Success!
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:08 am

Durandal wrote:The thing about Sassy Saddles is that she's a legitimately good marketer and businesspony in her own style. What doesn't make sense to me is the line about her old boutiques failing - if she sold as many dresses as those hundreds of Princess Dresses I would think she'd be a millionaire by now.

The key is that Sassy wasn't paying attention to anything except making sales. She never touched a needle or pulled a single thread; she just piled up hundreds of orders and refused to let Rarity even step out of the back room. If she managed her previous contracts like that, I could see her burning out the ponies doing the real work and not learning a thing from it.

Rarity just happened to be the first one who wrested control back from her.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:14 am

As a creative person who's been having some success, I really relate to Rarity in this ep, but also Sassy Saddles as well. It really illustrates the two sides, creativity and business. It feels like the show's staff were expressing their frustrations here, and I love that.

SlateSlabrock wrote:The key is that Sassy wasn't paying attention to anything except making sales. She never touched a needle or pulled a single thread; she just piled up hundreds of orders and refused to let Rarity even step out of the back room. If she managed her previous contracts like that, I could see her burning out the ponies doing the real work and not learning a thing from it.

Rarity just happened to be the first one who wrested control back from her.

There are (too many) animation executives who is like Sassy Saddles; giving impossible work to artists, having never picked up a pencil in their life. Again, I wonder if the show crew was airing their frustrations in the episode, like in "Suited for Success".
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:16 am

Durandal wrote:Arguably speaking, this is an insanely evolutionary leap for her character
This interplay between "the element of generosity" and her personality is nothing new, IMO.

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Postby Juniper Phoenix (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:37 am

Okay, having seen the episode again, only more awake and with two other friends who hadn't seen it yet, I was able to process it more effectively this time around. Certainly helps that I wasn't blindsided by the enormous pony at the end of the episode.
Octavia wrote:Only if it's spelled the correct way: Whoa Nelly. :glare:

Yeah, okay, I can feel that. So initially Whoa Nelly caught me completely off guard. So much so that I didn't catch any of the dialogue between her and Rarity and Sassy. I just couldn't comprehend her appearance. She is hands-down the weirdest pony I've ever seen on this show, and for me, trying to make sense of her and why she looks that way was...yeesh. I hadn't felt that way since I first laid eyes on M.O.D.O.K. But fortunately that shock seems to have cleared up after the second viewing. I mean, her design is still distracting, but I did wind up liking that scene with her.

So as for the rest of the episode, I think it was solid. Definitely not the best Rarity episode, but there were still several things that I liked about it. Others in this thread have already noted the portrayal of how one who is more business-oriented might interact with another who accentuates the artistic side of things as one of the highlights of the episode, and I feel the same way. It was a very realistic topic with a relatable conflict of interests. Hell, one of my best friends mentioned during our first viewing of the episode just how much he identified with Rarity in this scenario, given that he works as a creative director, and he often has to put up with the frustration of every other customer ordering a design from him, but giving him little to no breathing room to be creative with it, resulting in some generic, ugly designs that he's not happy with.

I liked all the new background ponies that were shown off. I particularly really liked the sisters wearing the Luna and Celestia-inspired dresses, and the one with the chili pepper cutie mark. She's got a cool mane. :ohboy:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:39 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:(Except, if I were making them then I would've kept the pink one's hair out of her eyes. The eyes are so vital to expressions that it bugs me when they're covered more than necessary. But that's just me being :twonk: about art again...)


Did the opening scene with Rarity talking through her giant glasses the whole time bug you too?



Anyway, this was like the most AKR episode I've seen in I don't know how long. All that Pinkie alliteration, hello old friend :plonk:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:42 am

Oh, and speaking of old friends I never thought I'd see again: Sassy's outfit prominently features a saddle :awesomedash:
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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:44 am

I'm kinda hoping the giant pony was actually those dragon teenagers in disguise.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:52 am

Now that there's 100 of these dresses circulating out there, I hope they'll continue to appear on background ponies throughout the season.

Like, Lyra brings hers back to Ponyville, then Bon-Bon borrows it for a while, and by November it's in Granny Smith's closet for some reason.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:05 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Their designs are really great, especially when wearing those dresses.

(Except, if I were making them then I would've kept the pink one's hair out of her eyes. The eyes are so vital to expressions that it bugs me when they're covered more than necessary. But that's just me being :twonk: about art again...)


But the messy mane is cute. :awesomedash:
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