S04E15: Twilight Time

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Re: S04E15: Twilight Time

Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:26 pm

Luna is his favourite guest princess. Twilight is his favourite permanent princess. :-I
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:50 pm

Venusy wrote:Luna is his favourite guest princess. Twilight is his favourite permanent princess. :-I


I think I legitimately want an episode where ponies argue over who the best princess is.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:53 pm

I would like that very much as well. It'd be some perfect hilarity.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:08 pm

Well Scootaloo still likes Luna. And soon Sweetie may as well.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:08 pm

Fairly enjoyable episode. Not necessarily a grand-slam, but a solid slice of tomato in a season sandwhich.

It had a lot of cute, funny character moments. And it was interesting to see Twilight be very non-chalant about having a ton of fame. I think the resolution could have been executed better- Twilight being more angry with the school-children and the CMC perhaps- but it was alright.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:22 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:24 pm

Maybe it could be like an election episode but with nothing at stake but dignity.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:29 pm

It was a rather sweet episode, tho I was surprised that Appleblooms eyes were dual colored...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:34 pm

sailoryue wrote:It was a rather sweet episode, tho I was surprised that Appleblooms eyes were dual colored...

Hmm? Her eyes have always had a red-orange gradient, in much the same way as most any other pony's eye color goes from darker to lighter.
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:35 pm

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and enough with the fucking duckface already, yes we get the joke
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Postby DarkMatter (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:38 pm

I thought this was a fun episode. Nothing really amazing, but fun. Sweetie Belle is always great. Really, Twilight's sloppy eating and Scootaloo posing for pictures ("When I don't smile in pictures I look sad.") made the whole thing worth it.

Someone better get an av of Scootaloo's posing. I would but I just started using this Fluttershy one.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:46 pm

So I'm guessing the general consensus is that the restaurant scene was the best thing about the episode.

And man, how many characters made a duck face so far this season? Scootaloo does one when she's posing.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:49 pm

The way Scootaloo was posing, I was half expecting Rainbow Dash to come in and say "Knock 'em dead, kid!" :thatsright:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:52 pm

I didn't even see the duck face on the first viewing. I think that's the third time that joke showed up.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:58 pm

Mr. Big wrote:So I'm guessing the general consensus is that the restaurant scene was the best thing about the episode.

It was definitely funny, but I really think the lesson in doing things just for popularity came out well, too. And of course, Sweetie Belle finally learned magic :awesomedash:
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:00 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I didn't even see the duck face on the first viewing. I think that's the third time that joke showed up.


At least the third time this season. Pinkie made one in Pinkie Apple Pie and Applejack in Simple Ways. Then there was Rarity's in season 1 and probably a bunch in between that I've forgotten about.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:10 pm

Hey, there was a Magical Box diagram on Twilight's wall.

Hope someone grabs a screenie of that later.


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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:16 pm

Star Platinum wrote:Image

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and enough with the fucking duckface already, yes we get the joke


:v: You have learned well young scoots, now you too will be able to creep out your friends during photo ops!
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Postby Sind (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:35 pm

what... what's this?

what is this my eyes perceive? A good Dave Polsky episode? :shocktavia:
Truly, the order of the world must be in imbalance :flail:


Okay okay, so maybe I'm exaggerating a bit...
But seriously, this was a good episode, and I enjoyed watching it. :allears:
It's not perfect by any means, maybe not even great, but it's certainly great step in the right direction. The characters actually felt realistic and in character =D



Also, guys, Sweetie Belle has green magic :ohboy:
Screw you, PTS :party:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:38 pm

You mean yet another good Dave Polskey Episode. :twiright: *Rarity Takes Manehatten says hi*

* And I still stand Keep Calm & Flutter On and Daring Do were entertaining despite any flaws found within*
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Postby Eshe (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:42 pm

For me, Twilight Time was an okay episode. I think I'm just disappointed it wasn't more Twilight-oriented since Twilight is best pony. :twiright: I would have loved to see her more uncomfortable with her princess-status, especially since it's given her a little bit of grief in previous episodes (Applejack & co. telling her to go back to Ponyville in PTS and Discord disrupting her weekend with Cadence in TAC - both because of princess status, not her). I'm also a little surprised that she signed autographs for ponies who were clearly oggling a celebrity; that just doesn't really seem in character to me? Maybe someone can point out another episode where that moment would make a little more sense. She's an egghead, not a popularity nerd.

As for a CMC episode, I felt it was okay. SIP and FTTF were way better in terms of character development. I do like that they actually learned something in the end and that they readily owned up to their mistake, but the whole "I want to be popular" felt a bit season one-esque to me. Really, who wants to be friends with Diamond Tiara or Silver Spoon? :starity: You wouldn't catch me at a bully's pool party, no matter how nice they acted for one day.

Also, I agree slob Twilight is hilarious. :gotcha:

There have been better episodes. I would put it somewhere in the bottom of season four for me.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:45 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I was definitely very impressed with Twilight's manner here, particularly in how she taught the CMC by getting them to do the learning themselves. And yet it felt so natural for her. I feel like this is the sort of Twilight we've not really seen much of since S1, so my congratulations go to Dave Polsky here.


It seems like the writers are steering her character development very carefully here, keeping a really light but firm hand on the tiller. The way she studiously avoids being the center of attention or acknowledging how cool she is—notice how she deflected the thanks and compliments of the kids onto the CMCs?—and yet she'll do a little flappy backflip out of frame just because she can and she knows the kids will get a kick out of it. She'll sign a few autographs, but she won't charge for them. :awkward:

So yeah, it's very restrained. She's not flipping out over her status and responsibilities here, and she's not letting it go to her head; but by the same token it's not getting swept under the rug. Jokes aside, we get a lot of clues in the subtext of the episode about how familiar the Mane 6 are to the rest of town, how much exposure they get, how much time regular ponies spend in the library, how big a deal it is for Princess Twilight to go to a local watering hole for some greasy hay burgers and horseshoe fries (and the importance that the other ponies, particularly the kids, place on how "cool" a hangout is by extension of who hangs out there). It's not the kind of texture the show adds very often, but you always feel like it's there just waiting for someone like Polsky to come along and shine a light on it.

Speaking of Polsky—no controversy this time that I could detect, but I loved some of the self-aware dialogue. Like " :gah: We just said like two seconds ago..." and "What was all this about? :flail: "

And I appreciated that throughout the whole thing I wasn't quite sure just where the story thought it was going. Were DT/SS playing out a long con? Or were they legitimately giddy over seeing Princess Twilight? Where did the other kids fit into things—willing pawns, or brainwashed zombies, or thoroughly on the evil side? How is the concept of "the Cutie Mark Crusaders" changing as we go forward, now that the other kids are treating it as an actual thing that you can choose to be (according to Pip)?

More questions raised than answers, in other words, which is the best possible thing I can hope for from the show. :awesomedash:

Claire Corlett's voice is definitely deepening, and as others have pointed out it makes total sense given that (as we've recently discussed) the show is allowing time to pass and the kids to grow up. But what I really noticed was that she's sounding more Canadian by the day. :smirk: It's almost like the script was going out of its way to have her say things like "oat and aboat" as much as possible.


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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:47 pm

@Eshe: I agree SIP & FTTF are easily 10x better then today's ep, but I personally count those more as "Scootaloo episodes". As far as ensemble CMC eps though, I think this was probably the most entertaining one since Ponyville Confidential. Although One Bad Apple is still best CMC ep for introducing Babs! :twiright: *We need A Babs Smilie*
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Postby Doctor Wheeze (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:00 pm

Best part of the episode was

:nngh: When I don't smile in a picture, I look sad.

I don't really know why but that line is hilarious to me.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:02 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Hmm? Her eyes have always had a red-orange gradient, in much the same way as most any other pony's eye color goes from darker to lighter.

I never noticed the red as much. I've only really seen the orange
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:05 pm

Doctor Wheeze wrote:Best part of the episode was

:nngh: When I don't smile in a picture, I look sad.

I don't really know why but that line is hilarious to me.


That is such a Dave Polsky line. I'm not even sure why. It's just, I hear it and I go "What? What? I... the hell did that... what? :amazing: "
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:22 pm

He's really got a knack for those "weird sounding dialog that turns up in real life conversations" type lines.

I liked the episode, btw. Not my favorite, but it was cute.
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:30 pm

I like to think that that line is in reference to how supposedly sad and lonely the fandom thinks Scootaloo's life is (or was, if she's staying with Dash or something after SIP)
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:48 pm

^^^ New avatar, kidc? :gotcha:

Twilight's notes of what appears to be her trying to crack open the Box was the funniest part of the episode.

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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:50 pm

After these past few episodes really knocked it out of the park, this one was more of a solid single over the second baseman's head.

Seeing that Sweetie Belle has finally got the knack of levitation magic, and that it happened how it did, seems a really nice resolution to the little mini-arc that began back with her horn sparking in "One Bad Apple."
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:52 pm

Sind wrote:Also, guys, Sweetie Belle has green magic :ohboy:
Screw you, PTS :party:

We've known since One Bad Apple that her aura was green. The thing in PTS was more the evil magic of the plants that was affecting her and Rarity.


Once she gets her cutie mark, unless they dodge the issue and make it primarily green, I wonder if her aura will change color.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:56 pm

As a general rule, magic aura color == eye color. Rarity's is blue, Sweetie Belle's is green, Twilight's is purple.

Celestia is the exception that proves the rule- her aura is gold, but she has purple/pink eyes.

In PTS, the "aura" that was grabbing Sweetie Belle was actually the plants affecting her horn, and it was blue on both Rarity and Sweetie.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:58 pm

Automatic 10/10 for the sheer amount of Squeakie Belle alone. I missed those voice cracks. :milkshake:

Good episode, much cute. I felt like it was missing something though; probably just more of a reaction from Twilight like some people have said. She's just not that interesting as the calm/cool/mature princess or whatever. But oh well, this was still a pretty great CMC episode and it ended up being more of a straight-ahead funny episode anyway. Which it was. Funny, I mean. It was funny.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:03 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:Good episode, much cute. I felt like it was missing something though; probably just more of a reaction from Twilight like some people have said. She's just not that interesting as the calm/cool/mature princess or whatever. But oh well, this was still a pretty great CMC episode and it ended up being more of a straight-ahead funny episode anyway. Which it was. Funny, I mean. It was funny.

I've been thinking about this, and I think the reason Twilight didn't freak out was because she personally wasn't on the hook for any of what happened here. It wasn't her fault that the CMC tried to piggyback off of her status. She didn't fail anyone over it. That's what's always gotten to her the most, is when she feels like she needs to do something and there's something else in her way. As such, even though she wasn't totally impressed with all the attention she got here, she was still able to keep a cool head over it all.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:08 pm

On the one hand, Twilight has learned from past experiences and become kind and respectful and that's boring because there's no conflict.

On the other hand, she wiped her face with a sandwich and then ate it, so even if she doesn't make much conflict anymore, it's good to see she's still a dork :-I

Overall, the episode was good; not really a heavy-hitting episode to me, since it felt a bit light, I guess, but it still showed off a lot about the CMC and Twi, or at least a lot of silly, lovable quirks.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:10 pm

Another fun episode. And our Twilie is all growing up and stuff. :allears:

It's like she learns and grows and stuff as opposed to being an unmoving joke. :twiright:

Also. FATKID IN A COUPLE OF SCENES WHOO HOO!

Just.. No fez. :applejargh:
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Postby Dal (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:28 pm

Captain Rufus wrote:Another fun episode. And our Twilie is all growing up and stuff. :allears:

It's like she learns and grows and stuff as opposed to being an unmoving joke. :twiright:

Also. FATKID IN A COUPLE OF SCENES WHOO HOO!

Just.. No fez. :applejargh:


Speaking of growing up. Twilight is starting to look more and more like the other princesses.

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:30 pm

:-I Spike made nachos!

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Gimme a break. That's clearly just chips and salsa. :rainbert:

Though the chips do appear to be fresh and hot... :ponder:
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