S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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Re: S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:18 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:So...I wonder how the other princesses are going to be affected by this change now.

Not too much, I don't think. Maybe all the other ponies will regularly pay attention to Twilight now that this has happened. What I'm really curious about is how Twilight's friends will be affected, given that they get thrones in Ponyville's new castle.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:18 pm

Aramek wrote:I think the fact Discord legit betrayed them made it 10 times better. :awesomedash:


Agreed. Even if he's the exact same now it'll be a lot easier to take him seriously after this episode. That was nicely done.

What might be harder to swallow is the giant crystal tree playset in the middle of a tiny town :v:
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Postby Constellation (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:18 pm

Megan McCarthy via twitter: "My fave note on #MLPSeason4Finale “We cannot show Twilight punch Tirek in the face” "

Good to know it could have been even better.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:19 pm

Tirek probably went into seclusion, maybe praying on a stray pony or two who came his way, until he could really function. I don't see how the timeskip for him from IAT to TK is a blatant plot hole.

I also thought Discord was done surprisingly well, despite me bringing up my general complaint about him again this morning. Tirek tempts him with basically free chaos, but Discord still wants to be friends with Tirek, and that's how Discord is so easily betrayed. Discord even reminiscences a thing about Rarity at some point too. The message of friendship got through to him [weakly], and now that he's gone through this trial, he's come out much farther along the path. Just not even worth a throne yet. :-P

But yeah, secondarily this was a Discord 2-parter that helped his character a good chunk while also serving the plot as the last inspired creature for the 6th key. Pretty solid writing.

I am pretty sad Golden Oaks had to go for Castle Playset Deluxe. I can only hope Castle Playset Deluxe becomes as roomy as Golden Oaks, especially since the Mane 6 are set to hang out there a lot, I think.
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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:19 pm

Aramek wrote:I think the fact Discord legit betrayed them made it 10 times better. :awesomedash:


After nearly dooming the world about four times now I wish they would they would be a bit more upset with him.

I hope that after this he stops abusing his "friendship" to act like an obnoxious jerk.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:20 pm

Constellation wrote:Megan McCarthy via twitter: "My fave note on #MLPSeason4Finale “We cannot show Twilight punch Tirek in the face” "

Good to know it could have been even better.

I KNEW IT! I KNEW THEY DELIBERATELY BALKING AT MY SUGGESTIONS! :rant:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:21 pm

:amazing: Great job hoarding all those books in "Trade Ya!", Twilight. Now no one can read them.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:21 pm

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:21 pm

Bravinim wrote:
After nearly dooming the world about four times now I wish they would they would be a bit more upset with him.

I hope that after this he stops abusing his "friendship" to act like an obnoxious jerk.

I hope he sure doesn't do that. Lovable jerk is great. He's a good friend that makes the show more fun to watch.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:21 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Tirek probably went into seclusion, maybe praying on a stray pony or two who came his way, until he could really function. I don't see how the timeskip for him from IAT to TK is a blatant plot hole.

It was that Tirek wouldn't have learned about Twilight's ascension between then and now. I wasn't bothered by it, given that we don't know where Tirek was or what he was doing during that time, so he very well could have been somewhere where he did not get the news.
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:22 pm

Hey, people got the episode trending on Twitter. :crack:
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:23 pm

Aramek wrote:I KNEW IT! I KNEW THEY DELIBERATELY BALKING AT MY SUGGESTIONS! :rant:

Aramek, you should either apply to be a staff-writer or a Hasbro executive.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:23 pm

When did it say that he escaped during It's About Time?

Just because we saw Cerberus doesn't mean that was the only window he could have gotten out? What if the dog went for a pee an hour before the episode started?
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:25 pm

Mordja wrote:Aramek, you should either apply to be a staff-writer or a Hasbro executive.

I think showing that genuine, physical violence is a legitimate solution to your problems would be a great message for the target demographic.

There are many ways to be a girl.

And Rainbow Dash punching someone in the face would be one of the bestest ways. :awesomedash:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:25 pm

Aramek wrote:When did it say that he escaped during It's About Time?

Just because we saw Cerberus doesn't mean that was the only window he could have gotten out? What if the dog went for a pee an hour before the episode started?

They deliberately mentioned that Tirek likely got out when Cerberus escaped. Unless the entrance to Tartarus is a revolving door, It's About Time is the likely candidate.
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:25 pm

I just noticed that on Mark Acheson's IMDb page he's credited as "Tirac".

I guess they didn't get the trademark on his name back after all. :gotcha:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:27 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:It was that Tirek wouldn't have learned about Twilight's ascension between then and now. I wasn't bothered by it, given that we don't know where Tirek was or what he was doing during that time, so he very well could have been somewhere where he did not get the news.

And I'm saying he was in seclusion the whole time, this is pretty much implied. It's definitely fine, and I actually thought it was great to connect IAT like that.
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Postby Snow Drift (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:27 pm

What if now, they all live in the tree castle together, we can get some comedic roommate shenanigans. Them all living in the same general space would probably cause some amusing situations.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:27 pm

If the season 2 finale was a Disney fairytale, this was a Hollywood blockbuster, with the strengths and weaknesses thereof.

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:28 pm

Snow Drift wrote:What if now, they all live in the tree castle together, we can get some roommate shenanigans.

I doubt the other five are going to move there. But hey, maybe this means that Spike gets to have his own room!
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Postby Snow Drift (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:29 pm

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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:29 pm

Mic Roe Pony wrote:I just noticed that on Mark Acheson's IMDb page he's credited as "Tirac".

I guess they didn't get the trademark on his name back after all. :gotcha:

It's Tirek in the credits; the IMDB person just misspelled it.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:29 pm

Wonkadoo wrote:If the season 2 finale was a Disney fairytale, this was a Hollywood blockbuster, with the strengths and weaknesses thereof.

Ponypendence Day :gotcha:


No Jeff Goldblum though, so I have to dock points off for that.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:31 pm

Of course, I still have to wonder if Tirek nuking the library was really necessary. Couldn't the new castle have grown without having to destroy the library?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:32 pm

By the way, it was great to see Coco and Cheese. :allears:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:32 pm

Constellation wrote:Megan McCarthy via twitter: "My fave note on #MLPSeason4Finale “We cannot show Twilight punch Tirek in the face” "

Good to know it could have been even better.


Yes! It could have given the show a TV-Y7 rating! :gotcha:
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Postby InC (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:33 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Of course, I still have to wonder if Tirek nuking the library was really necessary. Couldn't the new castle have grown without having to destroy the library?


If Twilight had the freedom to choose between living in a palace or a library, which one would she pick? :-I
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:34 pm

Episode wasn't without its problems, but it was still a lot of fun. :party:

I wish Scorpan would have made a return, but I suppose he's long dead at this point. Maybe the comics can do a story about his and Starswirl's friendship.

I am legitimately bummed about the destruction of the library, though. It moves the show away from its roots (pun not intended) in a way that I don't really care for.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:34 pm

I give this episode 10 out of 10 friendship rainbows. :ponydrugs:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:34 pm

It would be nice to see something go in place of the old library...maybe AJ could plant an apple tree, for example. :twasnothin:

Maud and Harshie appearing in the rainbow scene would have been extra special, but it's fine. :allears:
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:35 pm

I really don't know what to think. If you showed me this episode in Season 1 or 2, I would be extremely angry, but after Seasons 3 and 4 I'm more amicable to this sort of thing, I guess. I feel like the metaphorical frog boiling in water since I decided to step in when it was still warm. :-I

It was entertaining, at the least, and that's a pretty good award for something that's entertainment. Discord's behavior still worries me though, regardless of how genuinely funny and entertaining he is to listen to and watch.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:36 pm

I think that this was the best possible outcome for the finale, aside for those ugly rainbow forms but we all knew about those for months and it was just a temporary power up to stop Tirek. Easily the best 2-parter since Return of Harmony since it fixed most of the major flaws the other season premiers/finales suffered from.
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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:36 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I doubt the other five are going to move there. But hey, maybe this means that Spike gets to have his own room!


Think of it like the Justice League's hq. People can stay there, but they've got their own lives, so it's really more of a meeting place to gather at when bad things happen.

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Someone remake this with the lens-flares replaced with Twilight's mark.

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Postby InC (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:36 pm

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:36 pm

PonyHag714 wrote:It would be nice to see something go in place of the old library...maybe AJ could plant an apple tree, for example. :twasnothin:

They should at least build a new one. Just because it got destroyed by the centaur from hell doesn't mean mean Ponyville deserves to be without books.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:40 pm

The way they mentioned Scorpan meeting StarSwirl and returning to his own kingdom...Season 5 foreshadowing?

And yes, I think Discord is going to be a bit more genuine in his reformation now that he knows what it's like to have been betrayed and lost his powers. He really is a big child. But hopefully he isn't totally going to lose his jerk streak, it's too entertaining.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:40 pm

:awesomedash: Meanwhile...at the Hall of Friendship...
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:43 pm

Pretorius wrote:
Think of it like the Justice League's hq. People can stay there, but they've got their own lives, so it's really more of a meeting place to gather at when bad things happen.


:-/ Rainbow, you have your own house. Go home.
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PonyHag714 wrote::awesomedash: Meanwhile...at the Hall of Friendship...


Needs to be worked in at least once.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:45 pm

Nitpick time: Cadance being portrayed on the level of Celestia and Luna kinda bugged me. That's probably more of a headcanon thing than anything else, though.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat May 10, 2014 3:47 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Nitpick time: Cadance being portrayed on the level of Celestia and Luna kinda bugged me. That's probably more of a headcanon thing than anything else, though.


Cadance kind of seemed shoved in there to get her out of the picture with Celestia and Luna. By the flimsy logic that Tirek wouldn't know about Twilight, he shouldn't have known about Cadance either.
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