S05E06: Appleoosa's Most Wanted

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Re: S05E06: Appleoosa's Most Wanted

Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 3:27 am

Pocket wrote:See, this just serves to further highlight why Tirek's magic-stealing also taking ponies' cutie marks was a dumb idea. It might have been one of those things that wasn't in the script, and was something the storyboarders or animators added in. But it had nothing to do with anything, and it kind of dulls any impact it would have if a future episode actually used it as a plot point (and, for that matter, the impact it had when "The Cutie Map" already did use it as a plot point).



The loss of the cutie marks in Tirek's case is just a matter of internal consistency. Cutie Marks are explicitly magical, so it stands that draining all the magic from a pony would take it away.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 6:07 am

Whoa, I never thought that Troubleshoes' cutie mark was a rodeo gate...but it makes perfect sense. Kudos to the character designer for being subtle like that.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 7:55 am

Episode was not that memorable overall, but had a lot of little high points. Lots of great visual gags and well thought-out lines sprinkled about.

I wish the CMC ended up covered in tree sap and pine needles after the mudslide. That would have been a great little callback.

The girls got in trouble with AJ for sneaking out, but didn't get in trouble for a jailbreak? I would like to have at least seen a nod to consequences there, even if it was just AJ saying "No, you ain't done until this place is clean, cause the sheriff sayed so, too. Ah reckin, y'all apple apple apple."
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 8:06 am

At least they got some kind of punishment, unlike Rainbow Dash, Noted Industrial Terrorist. :seethe:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 11:16 am

londonarbuckle wrote:At least they got some kind of punishment, unlike Rainbow Dash, Noted Industrial Terrorist. :seethe:

Rainbow Dash is the Peter Griffin of Ponyville, impervious to consequences.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 12:11 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:Whoa, I never thought that Troubleshoes' cutie mark was a rodeo gate...but it makes perfect sense. Kudos to the character designer for being subtle like that.

Honestly, I think this is just a coincidence. If it were intentional then I think the show would've made it a lot more obvious than it actually was in this episode.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 1:15 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Honestly, I think this is just a coincidence. If it were intentional then I think the show would've made it a lot more obvious than it actually was in this episode.


The initial pan makes it rather obvious, methinks.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 2:36 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:At least they got some kind of punishment, unlike Rainbow Dash, Noted Industrial Terrorist. :seethe:

The CMC made the fatal mistake of admitting what they did.

Also I'm sure the rodeo gate cutie mark is intentional.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 2:54 pm

@ Niels Olof

Well, I'll be. Has *anyone* else figured this out yet? If you're the first in this whole fandom... You're a genius.
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Postby Waffles (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 6:51 pm

Great eye for detail, Niels. Reminds me of when I just recently learned that "Cutie Mark" is a play on "Beauty Mark." Never even occurred to me until I saw it mentioned in some article about bronies or something.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 7:10 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Honestly, I think this is just a coincidence. If it were intentional then I think the show would've made it a lot more obvious than it actually was in this episode.


I'm inclined to agree. Horseshoe motifs aren't that uncommon in the show. Kind of like hearts being all over in designs
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 8:10 pm

Comparing it to the rodeo gate in the last picture that Niels posted, the cutie mark seems identical. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Thu May 07, 2015 10:48 pm

It's a neat parallel, but watching through the episode again the other night, I realized why nobody else saw it -- the framing of the shots take great pains not to show Troublehooves and more than a corner of that gate at the same time. If they had panned up/left/right/out at one of several times, it would've stuck out a lot more as something intentional, but they didn't.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 4:48 am

Waffles wrote:Great eye for detail, Niels. Reminds me of when I just recently learned that "Cutie Mark" is a play on "Beauty Mark." Never even occurred to me until I saw it mentioned in some article about bronies or something.

They're also a play on horse brands, in case you hadn't realized that and wanted your mind to be blown a second time.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 5:35 am

Maybe we can ask someone on Twitter and hopefully get some confirmation one way or the other?
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 11:39 am

Cutie marks have been a part of MLP since the beginning, though, so I guess you'd have to track down Bonnie Zacherle for a proper answer. :-P
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 11:44 am

I think KD is saying we ought to be able to get confirmation from Jayson Thiessen or someone whether the rodeo gate and cutie mark are intentionally related.
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 2:51 pm

Headless Horse wrote:I think KD is saying we ought to be able to get confirmation from Jayson Thiessen or someone whether the rodeo gate and cutie mark are intentionally related.


That's right - Guess I wasn't really clear there. :P
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 3:23 pm

Anyway, I didn't catch the credits the first few times around, who voiced Troubleshoes anyway? I want to say it's Peter but I'm not sure... :ponder:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 3:25 pm

Big Jim Miller did the voice of Troubleshoes. He'd also done the voice of Sombra, for the very few lines he actually had in TCE.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 3:44 pm

Ah. Hope we get to hear more of him, he really gave the most memorable part of Troubleshoes aside from his size.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Fri May 08, 2015 7:43 pm

What I like about the rodeo gate being Troubleshoes’ cutie mark (apart from its obvious narrative elegance) is that it underscores that there are no bad cutie marks. They truly express who you are. Sometimes that takes time to realise, as it did for Miss Cheerilee, but a cutie mark is not there to mock you. Unfortunately, young Troubleshoes was in no state of mind to appreciate that as he felt humiliated when his performance collapsed in front of the judges. Had he not lost his concentration by the mark’s appearance, things might have turned out differently for him.

(In the flashback he went quickly from colt to fully grown (and then some) stallion, and what he did during those years and what kind of support he had (or had not) could have been crucial in locking him into his erroneous assessment of his fate/cutie mark).
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