S04E23: Inspiration Manifestation

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Re: S04E23: Inspiration Manifestation

Postby Panboy (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:27 pm

Gota love insane megalomania Rarity, Why would anyone want to give up such an awesome level of magic power, Have any other magic ponys been able to create Mass from nothing, Violating the very laws of thermodynamics?!

Its cool to see some unicorn other than twilight reading a spell book too, one could be forgiven for thinking that one had to be a special unicorn to cast spells up untill now.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:32 pm

This episode wa such a hoot. :smirk:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:33 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Raisin or chocolate chip? You be the judge. But there seems to be a running theme of three objects in the family.

A set of three objects is nothing new for ponies in general. Four of the Mane Six have triplet cutie marks, after all.
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:40 pm


Wow, they really went there. Congratulations, pony show. Once again, you have redeemed the once-thought-to-be-ruined-forever art of reference humor.

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That one pony with the Orion cutie mark has a mini-me. Also, all the foals here remind me of Breezies.

They appear to be very young children. Like maybe half Sweetie Belle's age. They've really been going all out with the assets this season.


That would make a good Spike emoticon.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:41 pm

Panboy wrote:Gota love insane megalomania Rarity, Why would anyone want to give up such an awesome level of magic power, Have any other magic ponys been able to create Mass from nothing, Violating the very laws of thermodynamics?!

Its cool to see some unicorn other than twilight reading a spell book too, one could be forgiven for thinking that one had to be a special unicorn to cast spells up untill now.

It's dark magic that seems to possess the user. I don't think anything can be taken away from this.
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Postby Minty (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:47 pm

I like how Rarity somehow turned generosity into evil. Puppet pony was the best though.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:58 pm

Pocket wrote:They appear to be very young children. Like maybe half Sweetie Belle's age. They've really been going all out with the assets this season.

Sweetie Belle looked like that when she was 5, so if we assume the CMC are somewhere around 11-12 now, it makes sense.
Wayoshi wrote:It's dark magic that seems to possess the user. I don't think anything can be taken away from this.

Oh yeah, one other thing. I was disappointed that, once the spell was broken and Rarity was back to normal, it turned out she was possessed and she didn't remember anything of what she had done. I don't think she should've been totally absolved of responsibility for her acts today, as she apparently was.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:01 pm

Yeah, I was surprised at that part as well. I thought she would have been horrified over what she had done and would try to turn everything back to normal.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:03 pm

Minty wrote:I like how Rarity somehow turned generosity into evil.

I took it as "what Rarity really thinks her friends should do to improve their lives." It didn't go as deep as I hoped, though - the entirety of Act III kinda lost all that depth pretty quickly. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Minty (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:03 pm

:starity: WHAT HAVE I DONE
:vogue: Whatever, it looks fabulous, so I'll leave it.
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Postby Panboy (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:28 pm

Solid gold apple carts for everyone?! What do you mean Gold is soft and heavy!! It doesn't matter its so shiny! :cry:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:43 pm

It's been a while since we had a pony go completely crazy. I liked this ep. :wat:

Also, Octavia sighting! :snobtavia:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:47 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I took it as "what Rarity really thinks her friends should do to improve their lives." It didn't go as deep as I hoped, though - the entirety of Act III kinda lost all that depth pretty quickly. :pinkieshrug:

I figured those were all the random thoughts one has throughout the day, only now she's compelled to act on them. Rainbow Dash should be more fashionable sometimes. I'LL SOLVE THAT! Image
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:51 pm

I find it interesting that Rarity was going to make the entire realm of Equestria fabulous. I would have loved to see how that would have looked.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:57 pm

It was alright, I guess. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:45 pm

Pocket wrote:
They appear to be very young children. Like maybe half Sweetie Belle's age. They've really been going all out with the assets this season.


There were four candles in the birthday cake. Speaking of which, Pinkie's reaction was priceless. I'm glad she was in charge of the party, I'm sure she was able to salvage it. :flutterunsmith:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:10 pm

Panboy wrote:Gota love insane megalomania Rarity, Why would anyone want to give up such an awesome level of magic power, Have any other magic ponys been able to create Mass from nothing, Violating the very laws of thermodynamics?!


TG&P Trixie displayed similar powers in Magic Duel, but that certainly suggests how amped up Rarity was in this episode.

Its cool to see some unicorn other than twilight reading a spell book too, one could be forgiven for thinking that one had to be a special unicorn to cast spells up untill now.


Indeed. I have long thought it a failing of the show that whenever magic is required, Princess Twilight Sparkle is the goto pony. Sure, it's her element, but she is not the only magic horse around. Rarity demonstrated in Mystery Magical Cure that while she may lack the aptitude, she definitely possess the brute strength to perform weather control (while their cutie marks were changed, neither of the other ponies gained new abilities, so it is reasonable to assume that what Rarity displayed in that episode she already possessed).

As for the spell book, it does raise questions of its own, such as a) why would you develop such a spell, and once its potential for devastation was realized, b) why would you still keep it around? Then again, the Equestrians have a dubious security record at best when it comes to powerful magical artifacts (Magic Duel, Elements of Harmony, ...).
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:21 pm

Just saw it, and this episode would have been "meh" to me if Rarity wasn't completely hamming it up. Spike was well-written, but I just wasn't really into the plot at all. Still, because of Rarity, I rate this episode an :vogue: out of :ponydrugs:

It's also very unsettling that Trixie has a much better grip on her sanity than Rarity.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:36 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I find it interesting that Rarity was going to make the entire realm of Equestria fabulous. I would have loved to see how that would have looked.


It fits well with my own head-canon that Rarity's ultimate ambition is to make the world and its inhabitants beautiful. Her reaction upon seeing Ponyville Transformed suggests however that her sane sense of aesthetics does not agree with her insane one (fortunately). The transition from her creation of the new theater, which addressed all the concerns of its intended user to the rest (where she did not seek feedback) seems to be the dividing line between Rarity and Crazy Rarity (not wanting to take credit for her work is most unlike her), for she is ordinarily no stranger to accepting criticism from clients (Suited for Success, Canterlot Wedding), and I presume that had she not been so close to the deadline, she would have accepted the original critique in stride.

Rarietty wrote:It's also very unsettling that Trixie has a much better grip on her sanity than Rarity.


What? She created an astonishing amount of work related designs, which seems to be a very good use of her newfound powers. Once she got out of the Boutique, her taste was certainly debatable, but she didn't use her power for dominating or hurting other ponies, nor did she cause wheel-less carriages to be dragged over the ground. She was still true to her core beliefs of beauty and generosity (however uninvited), whereas TG&P Trixie claimed (at least) horror of what she did while invested by the power of the Alicorn Amulet.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:37 pm

This episode owned, Tabitha owns, Blossomforth owns, ponies own.



This, however, I don't know how to feel about. Hmm. :shepspike:
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:49 pm

So that makes the episode even more of a Very Special Episode in one of the most oblique ways that has ever been handled.

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:50 pm

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This, however, I don't know how to feel about. Hmm. :shepspike:


Huh, that show never made it to my part of the world, but this must be the referenced scene:



Seems a good deal funnier when Spike does it.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:54 pm

Niels Olof wrote:As for the spell book, it does raise questions of its own, such as a) why would you develop such a spell, and once its potential for devastation was realized, b) why would you still keep it around? Then again, the Equestrians have a dubious security record at best when it comes to powerful magical artifacts (Magic Duel, Elements of Harmony, ...).


I can't say for certain who made the spell or the book, but it certainly doesn't seem to match the style of the princesses, so I highly doubt they made it. I'd imagine that they likely took it to stop the previous owner. That doesn't really answer the first question, I'll admit, but I doubt we'll ever learn, and in the end it doesn't really matter.

As for why it's kept around - Celestia and Twilight both copied a bit of Sombra's magic during TCE, so it might be that the princesses would rather hang onto such artifacts and study them rather than outright destroy them. Considering that eating the book didn't stop Rarity, it might also have been that destroying the book wouldn't really help.

Don't really know where I'm going with these answers, just kinda throwing those ideas out there.

About the security, though - the book was kept on a dangerous staircase, behind a locked gate, behind a hidden door activated by pulling a certain book in the middle of a library, in a castle where the princesses lived, in the middle of the Everfree Forest. It's not exactly a place that any random pony is likely to come across; in the past, that would've been an extremely secure spot, and in the present, most ponies don't even know the book exists. Very few ponies would be looking for it in the first place, let alone know how to find it.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:59 pm

Plus, knowing the dangers of the spell ahead of time would allow for some more productive uses of it in case of a great emergency. It seems to grant near reality-warping powers after all.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:02 pm

Stop overthinking a fairly lazy plot device, everyone.

Oh wait, ponygoons. :v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:02 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:This, however, I don't know how to feel about. Hmm. :shepspike:

I completely missed the reference. I also missed the fact that it was a reference at all, so at least it was a reference done right.
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Postby Tears (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:11 pm

Rarity, it must be said, has appalling taste.


Also, obviously not a reference reference, but I liked that Rainbow Dash's whole deal is called cloudbusting.

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:18 pm

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I can't say for certain who made the spell or the book, but it certainly doesn't seem to match the style of the princesses, so I highly doubt they made it. I'd imagine that they likely took it to stop the previous owner. That doesn't really answer the first question, I'll admit, but I doubt we'll ever learn, and in the end it doesn't really matter.

As for why it's kept around - Celestia and Twilight both copied a bit of Sombra's magic during TCE, so it might be that the princesses would rather hang onto such artifacts and study them rather than outright destroy them.


While I expect we'll never get the answer to these questions, the notion of spells that are activated as you read them is rather fraught. Do you have to read it aloud for it to be cast, or is just reading it enough? Brings to mind Monty Python's Killer Joke, and how it was translated at great difficulty:



(And who can forget the game of Escape from Cthulhu? What's New 1 and What's New 2). (And Evil Dead, too, come to think about it).

Considering that eating the book didn't stop Rarity, it might also have been that destroying the book wouldn't really help.


At least it would have destroyed a copy, as the power apparently lay in the incantation.

About the security, though - the book was kept on a dangerous staircase, behind a locked gate, behind a hidden door activated by pulling a certain book in the middle of a library, in a castle where the princesses lived, in the middle of the Everfree Forest. It's not exactly a place that any random pony is likely to come across; in the past, that would've been an extremely secure spot, and in the present, most ponies don't even know the book exists. Very few ponies would be looking for it in the first place, let alone know how to find it.


It would seem that the Castle of the Two Princesses was abandoned in a hurry, though one has to wonder why no effort was made to recover books and artifacts during the millennium of Princess Celestia's reign. Did she trust in security by obscurity? The fear exhibited by the ponies towards the Everfree in S01E02 goes some ways to ensure a level of security, but these days it seems as everypony (and their dragon) take pleasure strolls in the Everfree.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:31 pm

Tears wrote:Rarity, it must be said, has appalling taste.

She even recognizes that in the episode herself, once sober/sane. General rule: Do not record yourself, while intoxicated. Your ideas are probably not good at all.

Also, obviously not a reference reference, but I liked that Rainbow Dash's whole deal is called cloudbusting.



Ah, one of my favorite albums (sadly, I won't get to see her in concert). Though cloudbusting was supported to make it rain rather than disperse the clouds...
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:32 pm

Niels Olof wrote:...but these days it seems as everypony (and their dragon) take pleasure strolls in the Everfree.


As far as I know, it's mostly just the mane cast and Zecora who hang around the Everfree, and not only is that an extremely small percentage of Equestria's population, but they're pretty much the most trustworthy ponies to be in the vicinity of dangerous spellbooks :pinkieshrug:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:42 pm

:shock: It'll take forever to clean the whole town up.

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Postby Strangest Letter (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:55 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Stop overthinking a fairly lazy plot device, everyone.

Oh wait, ponygoons. :v:


Says the man who wanted dark magic to be explained. :v:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:08 pm

Well, as I referenced, it was kind of a lazy use of it here. Needed a way for Rarity to go nuts while explicitly delivering the moral, right down to the escape condition. Usually they manage to find a nice subtler way to do that delivery than that. :eyebrow:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:29 pm

I also would have preferred it if the power-mad rampage had been entirely of her own volition. She's always shown signs of being the "your thing is ugly here let me improve it for you" type. Giving Twilight unwanted makeovers on two separate occasions, insisting on making her a new dress for the Gala when she brought in her old one to be mended, and then insisting on making one for Applejack when the threat of showing up in work clothes reared its ugly head, not to mention this is the pony who coined the term "crime against fabulosity". Yes, I can totally believe this is what she'd do if she got the power to just instamatically make anything look however she wanted it to. (And honestly, I suspect a lot of us folks who are in some kind of design field can relate. I'm right now picturing Kefka getting a hold of that spell and going on a one-man campaign of wiping Comic Sans off the face of the earth.)
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:32 pm

Smiley alert: (because we ALWAYS NEED MORE RARITY EMOTES :heehaw: )

That face right when she delivers the "A designer never reveals her secrets" line.

And speaking of Kefka, I wonder what he thinks of this? :v:
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:38 pm

If there's one thing that's super consistent between this episode and Magic Duel, it's the fact that Dark Magic is addictive, slowly removes inhibitions, and brings unfulfilled desires to the forefront. Deep down, I'm sure Rarity really does want to make everything beautiful no matter what, but she's also self-conscious enough to know that other ponies wouldn't want that. It's exactly the same as how Trixie held a simple grudge and a desire to prove herself, but the Dark Magic of the amulet removed all moral considerations, turning that into a desire to dominate everything to both take everything away from Twilight and to show that she is indeed the most powerful.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:49 pm

Finally got home and got to watch some pone. Really really liked the episode. The actual plot was pretty simple and not terribly surprising, but the actual execution was magnificent... which I guess could be said about most episodes. Anyway, it was paced well, very funny, nice visual candies, and amazeballs dialogue and character moments. Satisfied. :twiright:

Biggest complaint: I wish once an evil spell or whatever has been lifted off a character, they'd actually remember what they did instead of the usual "Wha... what happened?" I always feel like it cuts out a really cool perspective.

Favorite part: A mix between the book eating (got a real good laugh out of me), "I'm scared...", the puppet pony, and glorious glorious Twilight. Oh... and Rarity too I guess... :heehaw:

As a side note, I've been digging Spike more and more lately. I know many many people disagree, but my growing fondness with him began with Spike At Your Service and just... kept going. Looking forward to next week.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:10 am

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The Doctor wrote: :v: Rarity actually says "nom nom nom"



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:cry: :"goes - the designer of that awful ..."
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:yikes: :"What's wrong now?!!"
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:yikes: But it was Rarity's Necromnomnomicon!


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:lol: :"Ah! Ah! You didn't hear that! Pay no attention to the purple alicorn."

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Postby Ragnar (?) » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:13 am

Claude was awesome. Spike walking off with an evil magic book like it was no biggie was pretty cool too, as was Twilight at the end.

I have a problem with this whole "making Rarity crazy" thing, though. This worked far, far better with Twilight because Twilight is a sane and practical individual for the most part, while Rarity is mostly a basket case anyway. I'm also not clear on how the magic actually affected her abilities, if it did at all. Did it make her more creative? Maybe it did literally nothing except remove her inhibitions and then give her a little boost in transformative magic.

I like dark magic as an idea, though. It's easy, it's potent, and it's always a bad idea. I like it when Equestria is dangerous.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:29 am

I thought of the book as more some kind of containment for the evil spirit that was within, which is why it was locked up behind a secret door in the first place. Rarity wasn't given magic so much as the creature was given something to hook into and inhabit to bedazzle the world into eternal fabulous damnation.

That's why eating the book did nothing, what was in it had already moved into Rarity- and why the ending looked more like an exorcism than dispelling a magical effect, with Rarity having no memory of doing so. Can't really blame Rarity, either. After all, Spike just brought her a book he said would help, it's not like she knew he'd toddle in with the reliquary of some horrible fashion demon looking for a new host.

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