S05E25-26: The Cutie Re-Mark

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Re: S05E25-26: The Cutie Re-Mark

Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:55 pm

rudecyrus wrote:Starlight's backstory was...eh.


I mean it's kinda fucked that apparently the literal only magic school is in Canterlot, so if you have a magic based talent welp bye bye home and friends and life.

It's almost like being ruled by a magic oligarchy based on race is kinda fucked.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Staff: Have fun messing with all those dark alternative universes fan fic writers. :gotcha:
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Postby Bakufoon (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:01 pm

Wow, a colt named Sunburst? I never thought they's bring back that particular pony.

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:02 pm

I was expecting that to end with Twilight saying, "Losing even one friendship can be disastrous, so let's go find that friend you lost when you were younger!"
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:03 pm

I will eat my metaphorical hat if Josh Haber hasn't broken the no-fanfic rule at some point.

Because if Spike's line at the start of the Chrysalis-bit is coincidence, then the universe has a really really hilarious sense of humor.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:06 pm

So obviously, the time travel didn't make much sense - NMM should have won every time with no rainboom, no room for the others to come in. There's an attempt to lampshade this with Zecora, but... yeah. :pinkieshrug: I think it was worth it to see all the scenarios, but have to acknowledge that.

Also, the ending was somewhat rushed. They were going for a "simple, yet effective" way to empathize with Starlight, but even then the motive didn't really have enough time to breathe. Going to have to fill in some holes on that with headcanon, I guess.

Everything else was pretty good though
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:07 pm

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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:07 pm

A great finale, with the only caveat being that Starlight's induction into the group wasn't exactly a very organic way to add a new mane character to the show. If it sticks. But I guess we'll have to see what Season 6 brings, eh?
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:07 pm

I really liked this. It was a blast seeing all the old villains come back, Chrissy and Nightmare Moon in particular. I guess the circle is complete now--Twilight is going to teach Starlight Glimmer, the same way she had to learn about friendship.

Sombra didn't have much of a role again, but I liked his Stormtrooper pony soldiers. They reminded me of the Death Guards in The Beastmaster.

Chrissy disgusing herself as AJ? That's going too far. :applejargh:

And we found out what was really behind Starlight's thing about cutie marks. There's always something in the past, I guess.

The song was ok, but I still prefer "Let The Rainbow Remind You" from last year as an ending song.
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Postby Picklepaige (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:08 pm

It was good and metal and the ending was cute, but I wish Sunset Shimmer would have gotten to be part of the friendship squad instead of Starlight Glimmer.

Season 6 will be interesting!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:09 pm

If you're going to make time travel make absolutely no sense, you might as well go all out with it. This story made absolutely no sense, but was quite a bit of fun. How did the Sombra time line ever come to be if Celestia would be defeated by Nightmare Moon? Where the heck was Cadance and Shining Armor and how did Chrysalis get so powerful without him?

Nonsensical, but like I said, if you're going to go with nonsense, go totally over the top with it.

Starlight was really underwhelming. The backstory was far too simple for such a powerful character.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:15 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:
I mean it's kinda fucked that apparently the literal only magic school is in Canterlot, so if you have a magic based talent welp bye bye home and friends and life.

It's almost like being ruled by a magic oligarchy based on race is kinda fucked.

The unspoken true evil of Equestria right here :gotcha:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:29 pm

Well, that was a great couple of episodes. Once again, we see that the Unicorn mind can snap like a dry, brittle twig.

Still, it was fun to see the alternative futures, though it could have been fun to have heard just a bit of what, in those timelines, constituted Princess Celestia’s Plan Bs, since the EoH were not, presumably, at her disposal.

Highlights certainly include the Pie sisters smashing rocks together. And a murderous Fluttershy. And Zecora’s even more impressive mohawk.

While the redemption of Starlight Glimmer was not unexpected, I really hope that she will not be a permanent fixture. Mane Six is just fine by me (heck, even her colour scheme is unpleasant). Perhaps, she can be a friend popping up now and then like that erstwhile garden gnome, what’s his name, tip of my tongue.

And now for the long, long wait.

At least, there is still plenty of Gravity Falls left [sob]. :deflated:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:32 pm

:ponder: The Discord Timeline might be the most baffling of all, because it suggests Luna was redeemed without the Elements somehow.
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Postby fenster (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:33 pm

Before anything else, I loved the song, fav from Season 5 so far I think for me.

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Starlight was really underwhelming. The backstory was far too simple for such a powerful character.


Basically this. I'm guessing that they'll try to talk about Starlights power more in the future since the show so far has been pretty good about stuff like this. But really, it just feels really petty the extreme lengths that Starlight went through over losing 1 friend. The plotline itself, I think, isn't necessarily a bad idea that 1 other bad friendship cascaded badly and shows how important a single friendship can be to the whole world or some such. Yet that doesn't feel like it really connects to "going all out on learning super magic power" thing that Starlight ended up doing. It just makes her look like some large powerful asshole out of nowhere.
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Postby Nicotico (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:35 pm

The Doctor wrote::ponder: The Discord Timeline might be the most baffling of all, because it suggests Luna was redeemed without the Elements somehow.

Perhaps Discord is why the Chrysalis and Sombra timeline was even possible.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:37 pm

It was pretty fun. I liked that Starlight had a pretty decent motivation for her actions. Not that she lost her friend, but that she wanted revenge on just Twilight for destroying her town. All of the other villains in the series have wanted to take over and destroy the world, but that only happened in this episode as a side effect. Starlight didn't know that would happen and was shocked when she found out.

So it's kind of weird. On one hand the finale was big and epic and on the other it was just a personal rivalry between two ponies. I like the latter kind of stories a lot more than the former, so I'm kind of mixed on this episode.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:39 pm

The Doctor wrote:If you're going to make time travel make absolutely no sense, you might as well go all out with it. This story made absolutely no sense, but was quite a bit of fun. How did the Sombra time line ever come to be if Celestia would be defeated by Nightmare Moon? Where the heck was Cadance and Shining Armor and how did Chrysalis get so powerful without him?

Infinite timelines, infinite possibilities. In other timelines, they may have prevent Discord from being released. In Discord's, Luna is back, but in the Sombra she seems to have been defeated and gone since Celestia is leading the charge on her own.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:39 pm

Rainbow Crash wrote:It was pretty fun. I liked that Starlight had a pretty decent motivation for her actions. Not that she lost her friend, but that she wanted revenge on just Twilight for destroying her town. All of the other villains in the series have wanted to take over and destroy the world, but that only happened in this episode as a side effect. Starlight didn't know that would happen and was shocked when she found out.

So it's kind of weird. On one hand the finale was big and epic and on the other it was just a personal rivalry between two ponies. I like the latter kind of stories a lot more than the former, so I'm kind of mixed on this episode.


Starlight did like her town, and why she didn't equalize herself, she did seem to totally live within the towns rules and only used her power to equalize others.
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:44 pm

The Doctor wrote::ponder: The Discord Timeline might be the most baffling of all, because it suggests Luna was redeemed without the Elements somehow.

In all the known timelines, the two Sisters fought Discord well before Luna transformed into Nightmare Moon. Afterwards, Nightmare Moon would've come back whether or not Twilight was there to fight her, so the real question is why Nightmare Moon (the original threat to Equestria during Twilight's time) didn't take over in every timeline. In the other timelines, maybe Celestia was able to fight off Nightmare Moon and Chrysalis but not Sombra in that particular timeline. Or maybe the writers just wanted to cycle through all the villains for the sake of playing with alternate timelines. Not everything that happens is shown on screen, so I'm more than willing to accept what we saw for the sake of telling a complex narrative in the span of 44 minutes of animation. :v:

Pretty good bunch of episodes; I'm going to hold off on re-watching them before I have people come by next weekend, but it's a typical Josh Haber episode: Really good on the surface, not too terribly deep or world-building but still a lot of fun. I second the opinion I'd rather see Sunset Shimmer show up in Equestria than Starlight Glimmer, but we'll have to see what happens next season. I'm a little surprised they didn't just have Twilight send Starlight over to Canterlot to be Celestia (or Luna's) student, but again, we'll see how this goes. Seeing Starlight go back to Stalliongrad was really good, as well as seen the four friends in that town come to terms with seeing her again. I'd expected to see a few more buildings outside of the equals sign build up, but eh.

The song at the end of the episode had a lot of similarities wtih What More Is Out There from Friendship Games; fitting considering Josh Haber wrote both this story and Friendship Games.

I bet the animators had a lot of fun making new costumes and backgrounds for this episode. There was a lot to see!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:58 pm

Did I misehear or did Starlight tell Twilight early on that the spell would zap herself back whenever Twilight tried to use it?

If that's the case, where did she go between time jumps, and why didn't she see the future for herself?
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:01 pm

The scene with Twlight shouting at Starlight and the bullies was great; it really cemented there are a lot of ways to prevent something from happening besides just preventing the action as it's about to happen. Twilight realized this early on and tried to make the bullies into bullies again but realized as she was saying it how stupid it was, but she just had to keep going and... :cuckoo:

Good stuff.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:04 pm

The Doctor wrote:Did I misehear or did Starlight tell Twilight early on that the spell would zap herself back whenever Twilight tried to use it?

If that's the case, where did she go between time jumps, and why didn't she see the future for herself?

I thought it would send Twilight to a specific moment whenever she tried to use it to go back.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:07 pm

Marimo wrote:I thought it would send Twilight to a specific moment whenever she tried to use it to go back.


I just re-watched the scene, and she does say "Even when you cast it, I get sent back here"
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Postby LunarRainbow92 (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:09 pm

I found this episode to be very wibbly wobbly timey wimey!, I know I'll be making Dr Who jokes about this episode from now on :facehoof:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:11 pm

One gag I'm disappointed they didn't use, was having a dozen Twilight's Spikes and Starlights show up in the past.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:11 pm

The Doctor wrote:
I just re-watched the scene, and she does say "Even when you cast it, I get sent back here"

Okay, I couldn't remember if it was Starlight that gets sent back whenever someone else used it or someone else would only be sent back to a specific time.

Since she didn't get sent to the future until near the end, Starlight probably just hanged around in the past until Twilight came back. The spell possibly working so that it links those who used the spell to time travel, like a minute in the alternate present for Twilight before going back is a minute in the past for Starlight before she goes back again.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:12 pm

The Doctor wrote:Did I misehear or did Starlight tell Twilight early on that the spell would zap herself back whenever Twilight tried to use it?

If that's the case, where did she go between time jumps, and why didn't she see the future for herself?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I created that spell to send myself back in time, so even when YOU cast it, I get sent back here!

Honestly, I'm not sure what that's even supposed to mean. She obviously never went back to the present, or she would've seen the mess she caused first-hand. Maybe it just teleports the same Starlight Glimmer out of whatever past Cloudsdale she was in to whichever alternate 1985 Twilight went to?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:14 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure what that's even supposed to mean. She obviously never went back to the present, or she would've seen the mess she caused first-hand. Maybe it just teleports the same Starlight Glimmer out of whatever past Cloudsdale she was in to whichever alternate 1985 Twilight went to?


Yeah it's a really strange line, especially when it seems like she's just sitting back waiting for Twilight over and over.
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:20 pm

Starlight Glimmer isn't a true, true friend until she gets a seat at the map table. Until then she's just another sidekick.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:45 pm

Chrysalis was never able to explain her sudden craving for apples. :evil:

I'm glad Big Mac was featured prominently in the crowd scenes at the end. This was a breakout season for him. :eeyup:
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Postby JaneCV (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:51 pm

I like how we see every other character in some totally new setting doing something different. Rainbow Dash is fighting on the front line against King Sombra. Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie are Everfree Amazons trying to resist the changelings. Rarity is the caretaker of Nightmare Moon's castle.

But Applejack? Applejack is still just doing apple things. :-I

Epic pony wars in the future might be able to stand between Pinkie Pie and parties or Rarity and fashion, but nothing gets between Applejack and her apples.
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Postby Nicotico (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:12 pm

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Yeah it's a really strange line, especially when it seems like she's just sitting back waiting for Twilight over and over.

Well if the spell indicates that she's sent back to x-5 minutes to whenever twilight returns to the past, Starlight will always get the initiative advantage. After all, Twilight is the one casting the same spell after the initial spell, so Twilight would suffer fatigue eventually.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:42 pm

Do have to say I'm not a huge fan of the "Equestria is screwed without you 6".

Celestia protecting the land for 1000 years on her own is suddenly not possible for some reason? There aren't six other friends in the entire land who could harness the elements? One of the things from the Comics that I really liked was the implication that anyone can use the elements if they represent what they are.

These six should be locked up in that castle, because if anything happens to them the entire land is doomed apparently.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:48 pm

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Audience of one

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Still an audience of one

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Lyra finally came to see Twi in Canterlot :-I

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Our buttmarks are of the utmost importance be quiet

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That's quite a swank unicorn on the right

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What does it meannnnnnn

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Spike being Spike again? u dont' say

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We've yet to have a beach episode yet in this series. :-I

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See you next season hopefully Moondancer

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Hurr hurr no way in a season finale will the epic thing happen

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Spike's eyes lol

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Spike's on top of her instincts here.

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Test: failed

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Might want to pay attention that everything is tinted red. :-I
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Postby Juniper Phoenix (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:04 pm

I think I'm on the same page as most people about the finale. In general, it was a lot of fun, but Starlight Glimmer's excuse for her behavior was pretty weak. It was like Kuvira all over again. But that was the only thing that bothered me.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:31 pm

One more image I forgot from Act I:

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Breadloaf Corner

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F L I M F L A M W I N

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Woe be the red map

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Wow shadow ponies really are powerful :spoiler:

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Pony war: to fisticuffs with you!

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:-D

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... That's not Babs, is it?

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ENLIST NOW

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One of the few timing gags of this two-parter

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:03 pm

It's too bad we never got to see an alternate Twilight.
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