S05E21: Scare Master

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S05E21: Scare Master

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:10 pm

Fluttershy decides to face her fears and participate in Nightmare Night with her friends.


This thread is for discussion of this episode. The episode airs at 11:30 AM Eastern / 8:30 AM Pacific on Saturday, October 31!

This episode was leaked on September 21. Absolutely no spoilers from the leak are allowed here until it airs on TV. There is a thread in the spoiler forum if you wish, that will be locked once the episode airs: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=11824

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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:16 pm

Anyone notice that this season's theme seems to be revisiting events that happened in the first two seasons? In season 5, we've had a second look at Grand Galloping Gala, Sisterhooves Social, Hearth's Warming Eve, and now Nightmare Night.

I guess it's to signify that time passed in the show, but it's an interesting pattern, nontheless.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:31 pm

I'm actually pretty proud of myself for not watching this episode even though it leaked. :twiright:

I'll watch it on Saturday.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:32 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Anyone notice that this season's theme seems to be revisiting events that happened in the first two seasons? In season 5, we've had a second look at Grand Galloping Gala, Sisterhooves Social, Hearth's Warming Eve, and now Nightmare Night.

I guess it's to signify that time passed in the show, but it's an interesting pattern, nontheless.

It seems intentional to me. I suppose Meghan and the gang decided that, if they were going to continue to build on the existing characters, then they had better build on the world as well. I wouldn't strictly call it a theme, per se, but regardless I'm glad it's something the show did.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:57 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Anyone notice that this season's theme seems to be revisiting events that happened in the first two seasons? In season 5, we've had a second look at Grand Galloping Gala, Sisterhooves Social, Hearth's Warming Eve, and now Nightmare Night.

I guess it's to signify that time passed in the show, but it's an interesting pattern, nontheless.


We also got Gilda and, well, the CMC and Diamond Tiara. I'd definitely say they're making an effort to build on what came before.

I actually meant to watch the leak but had technical problems and forgot about it, so I guess I'll be watching it fresh with everyone else!
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:00 pm

I watched the leak, but I'm probably gonna watch it again on Saturday. It'll be Halloween. Gotta watch the themed episode on that day. Also, it's worth watching again.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:34 pm

I watched it since I couldn't resist another Fluttershy episode. :fluttershock:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:39 pm

I didn't watch the leak so I don't know what happens! :iiam:

Hoping this time we get a Rarity scene. And that Rainbow Dash pranks everyone by dressing as the Tantabus.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:00 pm

It's a good thing the CMC are probably wearing costumes this whole episode, otherwise that leak could've been REALLY bad. :nngh:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:19 pm

Octavia wrote:It's a good thing the CMC are probably wearing costumes this whole episode, otherwise that leak could've been REALLY bad. :nngh:


Not really. It was pushed back to Halloween, not moved forward. The worst that would have happened is you would see the CMC without marks.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:27 pm

The Doctor wrote:
Not really. It was pushed back to Halloween, not moved forward. The worst that would have happened is you would see the CMC without marks.


Yeah, production-wise, this episode was made before "Crusaders of the Lost Mark" and was supposed to air before that originally.
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:19 pm

Is this the first callback episode that calls back to a different episode title than the synopsis does?
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:55 am

I have the episode saved but I'm waiting until Halloween to watch it. I hope it is not to spooky but I think I'll be alright as long as none of the ponies fall down. That always scares me. :wat:
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:18 am

Soft Snow wrote:I have the episode saved but I'm waiting until Halloween to watch it. I hope it is not to spooky but I think I'll be alright as long as none of the ponies fall down. That always scares me. :wat:


It's one of the most terrifying episodes of television ever. I had to pause it several times just to get my bearings and remind myself it was just a show.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:28 am

No leak discussion! :gotcha:
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:17 am

Master_Twig wrote:
It's one of the most terrifying episodes of television ever. I had to pause it several times just to get my bearings and remind myself it was just a show.

:whine:


I hope there isn't any... spooky skeletons. :ohgawd:
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Postby Master_Twig (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:29 am

Will there be skeletons? Will there be ghosts? :iiam:

Just don't watch this one with the lights off.

Unless it's really sunny and you have windows.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 am

Master_Twig wrote:Will there be skeletons? Will there be ghosts? :iiam:

Just don't watch this one with the lights off.

Unless it's really sunny and you have windows.


:starity:
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:wat:
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:whine:
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Postby stonecutter (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:26 am

Master_Twig wrote:
It's one of the most terrifying episodes of television ever. I had to pause it several times just to get my bearings and remind myself it was just a show.

John Carpenter's My Little Pony. :aghast:
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Postby Wylie (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:14 am

Soft Snow wrote: :whine:


I hope there isn't any... spooky skeletons. :ohgawd:


There is a spooky skeleton inside every single pony!! :byopinkie:

Well, except for Pinkie, probably. And Rarity's is made of marshmallow, but still!

SPOOKY SKELETONS EVERYWHERE! :sweetielarm:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:31 am

It's one of the best Fluttershy eps. :yay:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:26 pm

I didn't watch the leak but literally everyone said it is really, really good. I'm very excited.

Fluttershy episodes are amazing, easily some of the best in the show. Add in the sheer amount of spooky, and I'm gonna be a happy Aramek.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:33 pm

I hope that one filly got to be a zombie this year like she wanted.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:15 pm

I wasn't planning to watch the leak. That plan lasted about half an hour.

Looking forward to re-watching this weekend and seeing what y'all think.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:25 pm

Prediction:

Fluttershy actually gets over her shyness fully and truly forever, and we now have two Rainbow Dashes. But even more Dashy than ever before.

:v:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:57 pm

Aramek wrote:Prediction:

Fluttershy actually gets over her shyness fully and truly forever, and we now have two Rainbow Dashes. But even more Dashy than ever before.

:v:

Even if that happened, she still wouldn't be as good at flying as Rainbow Dash. Though, now that Twilight Sparkle has wings, even Fluttershy must be way better at flying than her.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:03 pm

That's okay though, because nopony is as good as Dash at flying. And that's fine.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:56 pm

Wylie wrote:
There is a spooky skeleton inside every single pony!! :byopinkie:

Well, except for Pinkie, probably. And Rarity's is made of marshmallow, but still!

SPOOKY SKELETONS EVERYWHERE! :sweetielarm:

*traumatized for life* Welp, looks like I am never going to sleep again. :-I
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:23 am

Can you buy marshmallow skeletons at Halloween? Like Peeps, but you know, skeletal?


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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:56 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:Can you buy marshmallow skeletons at Halloween? Like Peeps, but you know, skeletal?

That actually sounds like something I've seen before. If they actually do exist and I am not just making them up then they are flat, much like those bunny-shaped Peeps you can get at Easter.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:47 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:That actually sounds like something I've seen before. If they actually do exist and I am not just making them up then they are flat, much like those bunny-shaped Peeps you can get at Easter.


Ah yes, like all those knockoff Transformers in the 80s that were just, like, a car, and you'd stand it up on its end and there would be a robot printed on the bottom.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:42 am

Headless Horse wrote:
Ah yes, like all those knockoff Transformers in the 80s that were just, like, a car, and you'd stand it up on its end and there would be a robot printed on the bottom.

Yeah, my parents bought me Go-Bots instead of Transformers, too.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:04 pm

I'm going to wait until night to watch the episode for maximum spookiness. :allears: With the lights on, of course.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:53 pm

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:59 pm

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It's been awhile, but passive aggressive Fluts came out again in a way. Remember when she jabbed at Pinkie & Rarity with PYHD? She's still keeping in mind what she considers her friends' worst internal fears, or as Fluts puts it, "core" fears:

Fluttershy: [spooky voice] Have a seat. Don't be scared of what awaits you. Go on. Pass the sugar. Oh, no! There is none! You're a terrible host!

AJ fails at being the honest farmer pony or whatever
Fluttershy: Rarity, put your coat on! You need to cover up because no one has complimented your dressssssss!

:lol:
Fluttershy: Pinkie Pie, look to your left and ask your best friend to pass the cucumber sandwiches!
Pinkie Pie: Huh? I can't. There's nopony there.
Fluttershy: [spooky voice] That's right. Because she didn't care to show uuuuuup.
Pinkie Pie: What?
Fluttershy: [spooky voice] A friend who didn't come through. That must scare you to the coooore. Quick, everypony, look behind you!

I've seen people say that this matches Twilight in Amending Fences better than Pinkie, but that was Twilight's pre-show problem and who knows if she told the Mane 6 about it. Party of One, everyone.

Then she projects herself at the end:
Fluttershy: [spooky voice] They're unplanned guests. Your woooorst nightmare. You don't have enough food for them! Oh, no! There's a tiny kitten that needs a home! But you are over-scheduled right now. You don't have time to help! I said, "You don't have time to help!" This should appear to scare you! [normal voice] Why don't you look terrified? You showed up to a party and everypony was extremely disappointed in you. Can you imagine anything more upsetting?


Ultimately Fluts' first go-to idea of fear and scares is much more deep than the simple thrills of Nightmare Night, perhaps ultimately why she backs off of participating after this one year.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:02 pm

I guess I'll copy what I said, too...




Much like with Filli Vanilli, I really appreciated the story here. While Fluttershy's worries when picking out a costume or participating in the party games did seem a bit overblown, given that this is stuff she'd literally never done before, I suppose I can understand why she was bothered like that. It's also just generally hard to bring anxiety across to people who don't majorly suffer from it.

The sequence in her cottage was really fantastic, though, as Wayoshi just described. I don't think she was necessarily being passive-aggressive there, so much as we were just getting to see her great empathy on display. She knows what worries her friends and could emotionally strike right at their hearts if she wanted (as she did in PYHD), and in a way that's what she was trying to do, but she just didn't get that Nightmare Night is more about external fears than internal ones.

I also appreciated that, at the end, she was able to say no to scaring her friends again next year. It takes a lot of strength to say yes to facing something that worries you, but it takes even more than that to say no to friends and loved ones. Fluttershy's episodes in seasons 1 and 2 tended to end with more miraculous resolutions, so I'm thankful for the way they've been resolved in recent seasons.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:04 pm

This was a good Halloween episode. I liked the gags such as the horse mask and mummy Big Mac.

I thought Dash was a little rough on Fluttershy, considering she has known Fluttershy for a long time and should be more understanding of her. Then again, maybe she's just being Dash. :v:

Fluttershy did come through with the maze at the end, and it was refreshing that she chose not to celebrate NMN again, when most cartoons would have taken the easy out and had her agree to continue.

Also, Angel is pure evil. :ohdear:

I'm actually glad I watched the leak, because my internet is acting up today and the streams wouldn't work at all. :-/
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:06 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:It takes a lot of strength to say yes to facing something that worries you, but it takes even more than that to say no to friends and loved ones.


:delight: 10 points to Gryffindor, I mean, Fluttershy!
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Postby Davyinatoga (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:09 pm

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Is this how the characters are drawn in the MLP manga? It's amusing to see that, while the noses are as pointy as one would expect of anime ponies, their snouts are incredibly long, comparatively.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:13 pm

Oh, yeah, that's something else I should've mentioned. I've seen a few different folks who imagined Fluttershy as being some sort of a geek when she was younger, and I never really bought into that idea until now, but maybe she was the closest thing you can get to a weeaboo in Equestria. Like, if they had computers and the Internet, maybe she'd be the sort who would've registered on DeviantArt as soon as she turned 13.



For anyone who might've missed the episode today and also did not watch the leak, here is the DailyMotion upload: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37g37x
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