S04E12: Pinkie Pride

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Re: S04E12: Pinkie Pride

Postby Discord (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:58 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:If Cheese Sandwich were to come back, I doubt the biggest obstacle would be paying Weird Al so much as it would be scheduling him. All the other ponies are voiced by the usual actors up there in Canada, but if they had to work around his availability for recording then that might be a problem.


I don't think Tara Strong does actually. Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that she often records at her own studio due to distance, as she lives in LA? :ponder:

I imagine something like that could work for a more minor Weird Al appearance.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:00 am

Tara does, I recall a making of video where they have a stand in do Twilight's lines for the rest of the crew before her voice is dubbed in.
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:03 am

Now this is how I like my Pony. Strong characterization, good story, great songs, and that little emotional core that makes the show so special :-)

Without a doubt, this was my favorite Pinkie episode.
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Postby Super Karoru (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:15 am

So did anyone else lose it at the line, "I'm sorry I got all swept away by Cheese Sandwich"? This show being what it is, there are some pretty ridiculous-sounding lines if taken out of context, but this one gets me every time. I'm picturing Ashleigh Ball just looking at the script and going "what." :v:
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Postby Frith (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:22 am

First impression:

There were some things I didn't like in the episode, but it was still pretty good episode.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:26 am

Start of Act II - just before goof-off

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Later...

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Hey, they went to the trouble of putting firefly lights everywhere, even though we had the pony hospital in RiaW. :v:

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After some pix... let's look at this last one actually:

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Don't recall Accordion Pie being shown before. :)

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Pinkie is directly thanking the "shiny new Flash toy" S4 lighting effect for helping out on this scene. :-P

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Sing it gal, sing it! :allears:

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Confidence back, now let's go!

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This like a reverse gag. Of course everyone is going to notice Derpy given all the circumstances, meanwhile, I never noticed Tank until today. Well Tank, first time I think I've seen you since 312, so hopefully I see you again before 512.

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Hello to you too, R.D.

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:flutterdear: Basically, LiamA's GIF is really needed to fully see this. Mouth just goes crazy, eyes are differently constructed also.

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Fez... IT'S ON.

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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:12 am

Episodes like this help to remind why the show is as great as it is. At its best, it can take the often over-used plots full of pit-holes and re-fill them with heart.

A lot of people were worried about what a "Special Celebrity Guest!" episode would actually do. I was pretty skeptical myself. Celebrity guests have kind of become an old-hat thing in animation that can often lead to lazy and lacklustre writing, as a guest may be expected to carry an episode- that's the stereotype, at least. The celebrity also tends to suck up the centre of the episode, as the plot sets itself to revolve around the brand new shiny toy that can make a lot of celebrity-guest spots feel artificial and lame.

John De Lancie gave us somewhat of a precedent, but that was in the earlier days of the fandom, and there wasn't exactly as much hype and advertising associated with him compared to Weird Al, who also happens to be a bigger name. The formation of this episode also screams "this is going to be awful". Al tweets pony video, Thiessen tweets Al and says "hey, wanna be on ponies?" And Al says "Sure!" It's a weird chain of events that just feels like it would lead to an episode where the guest feels horribly out of place and the plot suffers under the weight of them.

But once again, the show proves itself in taking the celebrity guest episode and spinning expectations on their head. Weird Al doesn't play himself, he plays a meaningful character- a likeable pony with his own unique personality, ambitions, dreams, and history. He's a central part of the plot, but the story evolves excellently around a member of the mane cast as opposed to him, and the narrative arc occurs around Pinkie. They also don't under-utilize him either; they have him do everything you might expect a Weird Al voiced pony to do, and feel significant, without detracting from a meaningful and emotional narrative with an actual mane character.

Cheese Sandwitch feels like he belongs here, and manages to join a long list of really awesome one-off characters. I am endlessly impressed by how well the staff managed to pull Weird-Al as a pony off.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:26 am

Eh, Al plays himself in a lot of ways. At least, Cheese is quite similar to his UHF protagonist from way back when.

But that's a good thing.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:38 am

Similarly de Lancie was basically asked to reprise a role he had before. And, no offense, but most of his roles since Q have been the same character with a different name and different ability to back up the arrogance, but often a very similar character.
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Postby BackgroundPony (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:39 am

Dexanth wrote:
But arguably she's doing it again since he came to Ponyville to seek her approval and such!


I'm not feeling that so much. Compared to the previous examples: in RTM we've got Rarity inspiring Coco to be generous, when before she was following the 'every mare for herself' theory spouted by Suri. Then in RF we've got Rainbow Dash inspiring loyalty in Spitfire and Fleetfoot when before they were ready to drop Soarin for the sake of winning.

Now we've got Pinkie inspiring Cheese to keep being a fun party pony that makes people laugh when before he was... exactly that? It just doesn't fit the pattern. What does fit the pattern is when he was a youngster and first saw pink party pony doing her thing and turned away from his previous lonely mopey self to start trying to make others happy. It's just an extremely delayed payoff. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. :twiright:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:40 am

Goof-off time :serious:

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Matilda chastisting Spike... so random.

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We're back to old pony all right - duplicate BG ponies!!!!

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:munch: nomnomnom

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Personalized cupcake - playing to the judge, I see... :serious:

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:-/

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Cheese spreads the derp! :v:

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I wasn't sure, but I was right - it's the Mane 6 rainbow, not R.D. rainbow. Interesting.

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Kids, did you learn what a trapezoid is today?

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:serious: That's enough with bubbles, this upcoming dance is way better!

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But in the middle of that, on the left-hand side:

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"Derpy, dat silly pony." :3:

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:wink: Ignore my plagiarism and be swayed by slabs of cheddarrrrrrr

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Also, what was the point of having R.D. masks on the cows? Another totally random thing. :v:

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Totally pwned, Cheese.

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... Tank??? :v: :v: Also, pelicans.

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How did that screw hold it up in the first place? Oh wait, pony.

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Anyone else notice this? Pinkie subconsciously redoes the Pinkie Promise motion, she's that upset.

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Yes, very upset. :fluttersmith: Good thing it doesn't last for too long!
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:56 am

BackgroundPony wrote:
I'm not feeling that so much. Compared to the previous examples: in RTM we've got Rarity inspiring Coco to be generous, when before she was following the 'every mare for herself' theory spouted by Suri. Then in RF we've got Rainbow Dash inspiring loyalty in Spitfire and Fleetfoot when before they were ready to drop Soarin for the sake of winning.

Now we've got Pinkie inspiring Cheese to keep being a fun party pony that makes people laugh when before he was... exactly that? It just doesn't fit the pattern. What does fit the pattern is when he was a youngster and first saw pink party pony doing her thing and turned away from his previous lonely mopey self to start trying to make others happy. It's just an extremely delayed payoff. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. :twiright:

I think before hand they were making party fun for the sake of making party fun, not really paying attention to see if everyone was having fun. Pinkie snapped out of it when she realized that RD wasnt having fun being crushed by a pinyata. In turn, Cheese noticed that Pinkie wasnt having fun at the party either and confessed his origins.
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Postby ComradeCosmobot (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:17 am

27 holes in the cheese wheel when Cheese first introduces himself
27 ponies present to observe the Goof-off (i.e. excluding those competing, Pinkie and Cheese) when Twilight announces its start
27 discrete toppings on the pizza that Rainbow Dash chows down on (including the cheese)

Yup, it's a Weird Al episode all right.

Kronos wrote:On the subject of RD's age, I just realized that there are exactly 27 candles on the cake, even if six of them are off camera.

Because Weird Al tends to include references to 27 in many of his songs, so it just seems right.


Also this I guess, but there are only 21 that are visible, so I'm not sure I trust this.

EDIT: Oh, and in the full zoom-out when Cheese stumbles into Ponyville at first, there are 26 ponies in the shot. Given that Pinkie Pie was also there (because she threw the party), there were at least 27 ponies present at the party.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:19 am

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During this scene I kept thinking "Why is that one stallion in the back SO TALL!?!?!?"
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:08 am

Cosmo's post is blowing my mind. :starity:

I guess this thread is kinda in "no one disliked it, so not much conversation" mode. :allears:

All of a short Act III again, finishing up.

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Ohai welcome wagon.

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Nuzzle :3:

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Thank you, stray party hat, for providing destiny.

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You fuckin' rock, Cloud Chaser. :allears:

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It's a cheese sandwich party for some reason! Not enough sweets for the whole party, Pinkie?

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Boneless launched himself at his partner. :3:

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:jingo:


I'm taking this out of the hidden...

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Where has Cheese Sandwich been?

-Appleloosa (seen tail-end this ep)
-Dodge Junction (what Amy intended w/e)
-Canterlot
-Cloudsdale
-Manehattan
-Galloping Gorge
-Vanhoover
-Ghastly Gorge
-Las Pegasus
-Baltimare
-and... Hollow Shades.

... I WANT TO SEE HOLLOW SHADES :twonk: :nooooo:

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Thank you Cheese for some map fun. Now, back to hidden...

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:allears:

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Oh, anti-sappy R.D., never change. :3:

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This is like a small country's military allying with a huge one. :lol:

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Enlarge ALL the things!

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Combine ALL the balloons!

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So Pinkie couldn't admit her banner kinda pales in comparison to Cheese's, huh?

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First legitimate Dinky sighting in awhile

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The start of this song is pretty much like a full concert

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Competent set of animals there. Could have been by either of them.

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Another job well done once again.

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:party: : Hmmm... what did I learn? Find out in June for $9.99! (I made up a price, dunno how much it will be)

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Is the fact that Boneless is shining [maybe with the Mane 6 rainbow keyness] a blatant 4th wall gag? I'm not sure.

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And so, his life having circled back to where his occupation began, Cheese Sandwich begins another phase of his life with Boneless 2.

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Good-bye [for now], Cheese Sandwich. :jingo:

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I appreciate fresh angles and everything, but their faces are all a bit wonky here. Some of their head shapes look a bit different too.


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Yes, that is the :party: who hasn't gone away, Mane 6. :allears: AJ with the half-smile there too, :lol:

Anddddddddddd wow I kinda have seen this ep too much now! I need a breather. :)
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:11 am

Headless Horse wrote:Pinkie writes in the diary, they go through the motions of the tropey little tradition, but we don't find out what lesson she learned. It's just a visual gag, a little piece of storytelling that presumes we know what it's about. But the lesson itself is so unimportant that they don't bother telling us what it is.

I dunno, I kinda saw it as "hey, we pretty much just said the moral 2 minutes ago, and we have no time, so let's skip over the obvious this time." :pinkieshrug: You're right it presumes viewers are keyed in with the prior two key eps, which is great. But I don't know about the lesson being unimportant, I think it was a time constraint move. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:13 am

ComradeCosmobot wrote:27 holes in the cheese wheel when Cheese first introduces himself
27 ponies present to observe the Goof-off (i.e. excluding those competing, Pinkie and Cheese) when Twilight announces its start
27 discrete toppings on the pizza that Rainbow Dash chows down on (including the cheese)

Yup, it's a Weird Al episode all right.



Also this I guess, but there are only 21 that are visible, so I'm not sure I trust this.

EDIT: Oh, and in the full zoom-out when Cheese stumbles into Ponyville at first, there are 26 ponies in the shot. Given that Pinkie Pie was also there (because she threw the party), there were at least 27 ponies present at the party.


Wow, didn't notice those other occurrences, I only suggested the candle thing because I didn't see any 27 references elsewhere, but since there are then nevermind.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:14 am

Wayoshi wrote:
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First legitimate Dinky sighting in awhile


And Golden Harvest looking on to make sure her daughter is safe. :allears:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:21 am

Wayoshi wrote:Image

:-D "That's right! I AM the Pumpkin King! Ha ha ha ha!"

Wayoshi wrote:Image

This episode was full of characters we haven't seen in a while, starting with the buffalo, but also we see the Cake family, old Mr. Wattle, Matilda, etc. Plus references to Pinkie's earlier parties, her family, and so on. It's full of "Hey, I haven't seen X in a while!" moments. Yet none of these appearances really feel like continuity nods or fan-pandering. They feel more like the creators are just really proud to have this big ol' world, and they want to show it off. I wonder if they thought a lot of non-fans would tune in for this because of the guest star, so they pulled out all the stops and tried to show what an enormous, rich, and varied cast and setting they have.

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What I especially like about this is that we get the Pinkie hair droop, but it's not just :hithere: all over again. It's a shorthand for Pinkie's dejection that works on its own and is understandable to first-timers, but they clearly didn't want veterans to say "Ah, Pinkamena's back!" It's reminiscent of previous sad Pinkies, but still it's own thing.

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I might need some help with this one. The first one is a dead-on pony version of "Eat It"-era Al, but do #2 and #4 represent anyone in particular?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:23 am

#1 is UHF Al, no?

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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:28 am

I think the fourth is supposed to be gender flipped Cheese :starity:
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:28 am

Hmm, maybe.

I hope that in later episodes, we find that Dash took her giant Dash balloon home and still keeps it in her house. Just like how the Batcave always has that giant penny.

If she doesn't want it, then Scootaloo can keep it in her house.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:29 am

Ransom wrote:I think the fourth is supposed to be gender flipped Cheese :starity:


I thought that too, but the chin. Aren't mares faces rounded when shown on a front view?
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:35 am

Those measurements in the line-up- they're not feet, for any of several obvious reasons. But are they actually heads? Like, how animators generally measure characters? That'd make Al (and his Tall Stallion model mates there) 4 heads tall. Does that sound about right, art peoples?
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:48 am

Durandal wrote:Actually, the biggest laugh for me happened when she poured the bright rainbow paint into her saddlebags and it instantly turned into a brown puddle

And then she later used it to paint Rainbow Dash. :lol:

blasmeister wrote:...I am at somewhat of a loss as to how Pinkie or Cheese Sandwich manage to make a living throwing extremely extravagant parties. Maybe they pay for their supplies in parties and that works out somehow.

Pinkie works at the Cakes', remember? :-P

Durandal wrote:That was honestly my first thought as well: "Since when could Twilight dance?" I guess she learned at princess school or something

Pinkie took her aside for an intense choreography session before the song. :gotcha:

Niels Olof wrote:Rainbow Dash is quite likely the richest of the Mane Six. I think of her as the trust fund baby of the bunch.

Nah, I think it's probably Twilight. After all, her parents could afford to hire a princess as a baby sitter even before Twilight was Celestia's private student. She just doesn't spend as wildly as RD does. :v:

Also, looks like Pinkie has three sisters now. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Lapis Infinitas (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:51 am

Wylie wrote:Those measurements in the line-up- they're not feet, for any of several obvious reasons. But are they actually heads? Like, how animators generally measure characters? That'd make Al (and his Tall Stallion model mates there) 4 heads tall. Does that sound about right, art peoples?


Horse height is measured in hands. In horsie land, they measure themselves in hooves.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:59 am

Loved the episode! I'll write my long review in just a little bit! :vogue:
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Postby Higsby (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:01 am

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Well at least this clears up all of the confusion behind the question of "how do ponies even know what a tank is?" It is now clear that they are used purely for party purposes, much like canons are. :v:

All deadly weapons are fun in Equestria!
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:10 am

The Doctor wrote:Anyone catch in the credits if they credited another show with the live action Gummy footage?

Stock footage provided by
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:15 am

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:ponder: hmmmmm

:colbert: It isn't....

:modesty: But it kind of looks like one.

:bluh: Look, you just marathoned the show on Netflix, you know it isn't

:flutterdear: But they've referenced them a few times this season.

:ohrarity: Look dear, it isn't.

:flutterunsmith: Would you all like some tea?

:facehoof: Oh for fraks sake Fluttershy.

:dreamworks: It's totally a Dalek.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:19 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:Stock footage provided by
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http://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/5345 ... gator.html

They paid $39 for those few seconds of film. All told, probably the cheapest few seconds of Pony they've ever done. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:16 am

Huh, I thought they actually filmed footage of an alligator to do that. I guess even pony has to use stock footage.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:19 am

So I take away my previous comment on the conflict feeling a bit forced with Pinkie's friends ditching her. Upon rewatch, Cheese Sandwich identifies himself with his very first words to everyone as someone who is going to help Pinkie. So any comments from then on (including Tactless Dash :v: ) go from what Cheese said he was there to do, help Pinkie.

The conflict is all in Pinkie's head as it should be. :party:
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Postby reidransom (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:31 am

Higsby wrote:Well at least this clears up all of the confusion behind the question of "how do ponies even know what a tank is?" It is now clear that they are used purely for party purposes, much like canons are. :v:

All deadly weapons are fun in Equestria!


:ponder: Hmm. It's less a tank and more self-propelled artillery, I'd say.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:38 am

I was wondering who did the Lumiere-esque vendor pony, since I didn't see him in the credits. Turns out he's in the singers' section because of the couple of lines the Cakes got.

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...along with a typo. :v:

Also, Chantal Strand as the singing voice of Diamond Tiara -- I guess she did her own.
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Postby Momo (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:00 am

I have six words to describe my feelings about this episode:

This ep, you guys, this ep. :awesomedash:
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:13 am

I'm always up for a musical episode, and I've been a big advocate of MMC on exactly those grounds, and I'm very glad they did another musical.

But I don't think the songs hold up as well on the whole this time, and I don't think this ep carries the same emotional weight.

Best songs are "Pinkie the Party Planner" and "The Goof Off." The first is a great "Good Morning Baltimore" style setup, with clever parts for Diamond Tiara, the Cakes, and others. The other has all the funniest bits. I loved Cheese swiping "Smile" and Pinkie breaking into frantic Spanish at the end.

The rest of the numbers never really hit. "Pinkie's Lament" and "Cheese Confesses" raised zero feels, and songs like that are usually a sure bet when it comes to emotional punches. (Though admittedly "Find My Way" did a crappy job in this role too.)

This episode was light and funny and cute, but it was never sad. That would have made it feel like an episode that mattered.

(Also they need to stop rhyming "Pinkie" with "eee" sounds already. When the stress is on the first syllable -- PINK-ie -- you need to rhyme the stressed syllable too. Like, I dunno, winky? Stinky? Twinkie? If you can't think of something then don't use a word like that. When you only rhyme the unstressed sound and then the singer has to sing it like "pink-EEE," that's amateur hour, son. I swear to god this has been bugging me since Applebuck Season and they did it like 3 times this episode. :-/ )
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Postby Higsby (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:33 am

PictishBeast wrote:The rest of the numbers never really hit. "Pinkie's Lament" and "Cheese Confesses" raised zero feels, and songs like that are usually a sure bet when it comes to emotional punches. (Though admittedly "Find My Way" did a crappy job in this role too.)

Even though I saw it coming, "Cheese Confesses" definitely hit me. Little things like that always make me happy and feel fuzzy inside. :flutterunsmith:

And then there was "Make A Wish" at the end, which I actually really enjoyed. I think it's one of the catchiest songs that the show has had to offer so far, and I've had it stuck in my head all day. :v:
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Postby Kamek (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:54 am

I'm still trying to parse this. I can't believe that this was a thing that happened. I can't even form an opinion other than "HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE MOST AWESOME THING EVER"

Seriously, this season has delivered. I'm almost afraid that the rest of the season just isn't going to seem as good after this episode, because this episode was just that damn good.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:41 am

Huh, slow thread today. Usually we're at almost twice this page count.

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Cheese Sandwich: secretly related to the Mane-iac? :squintyjack:

I'm struck by the fact that Rainbow Dash seems to be taking on more of a nuanced mediator role in recent episodes. Even today, she has her clueless moments, but when she realizes how she's hurt Pinkie, she jumps right in with a speech about how Pinkie is irreplaceable. We saw the same sensitivity in "Flight to the Finish," and even earlier in "Sleepless in Ponyville."

For a Pinkie episode, there sure were a lot of glares and sad faces.
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Luckily, everything worked out in the end!
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I can never decide what to do with big poofy hair like Pinkie's and Cheesy's:
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