S04E20: For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

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S04E20: For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:06 pm

Disgusted with Rarity for attracting attention away from her, Sweetie Belle decides to have her revenge by ruining an outfit prepared for one of Rarity's most valued clients; while sleeping, Sweetie Belle is contacted by Luna through a dream.


This thread is for discussion of this episode. The episode airs at 10:30 AM Eastern / 7:30 AM Pacific on Saturday, March 22!

Official preview clips and images are okay to post, as is speculation about the episode.

Writer: Dave Polsky (4th of S4, most recently: Twilight Time)

(Have a note on why this is S04E20, and the shenanigans of production numbers, below. Tl;dr - staying consistent with Zap2it numbering like we did in S3.)

"Big" Jim Miller tweeted waaaaay back awhile ago that his favorite new character of the season was in 419. Ah, but who premiered last week... that led to this:

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Zap2it has the episode being pushed back, "Trade Ya", as 419. But this probably isn't the first time Zap2it has been a bit wrong this season - we used Three's a Crowd and Pinkie Pride as 411 and 412 when it was probably reversed (as PPride was leaked due to the airdate being set a week earlier).

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I'm going to keep going with Zap2it's numbering - it caught Trade Ya as being delayed correctly, and otherwise it's just swapped 1 or 2 pairs of episodes. In any case, we labeled Just For Sidekicks probably as 308 last season and so on, so we might as well stay consistent.

So we have 420-422, then backtrack to the skipped episode in the next 5 weeks (we will have a break between 422 and 419, which is really 418. Shenanigans of production numbers, zap2it numbers and aired numbers galore).
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:08 pm

Sweetie Belle and more Dreamwalker Luna? This episode sounds like it's going to be great.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:08 pm

A mish-mash of Sisterhooves and Sleepless concepts sounds like a potential slam dunk, but we'll have to see.

I am curious why it's Toils, though. Rarity don't be too mean... or maybe it's just Sweetie having to work hard to ruin the dress or Rarity took a ton of time on the dress she ruins. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:27 pm

It's a pun (and a great one). She tolls for thee. :cooliebelle:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:31 pm

Wish list...

Royal Sisters flashback.

Luna shows Sweetie Bell a vision on Nightmare Belle.

:ohboy: The squeakwill llast forever!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:32 pm

If we get A Christmas Carol style vision of hypothetical future Nightmare Belle, she should remain the same size and have the same voice as a filly. Just to push the point home. :gotcha:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:35 pm

This episode contains Rarity and Sweetie Belle. I'd say those are good odds.
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Postby Rachael33 (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:38 pm

Hmm... Interesting characters...

Nightmare Moon was created out of jealousy, and thus Luna would have experience with this. This actually makes the episode plausible. I am sort of excited to see what they do here.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:04 pm

This has the potential to be kinda like Sisterhooves, but more intense, so I'm really looking forward to this one.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Tailspin wrote:This episode contains Rarity and Sweetie Belle. I'd say those are good odds.


I don't see this episode being anything but fabulous. :vogue:

And we better get some new Rarity emotes out of this, Dress Horse has so many good expressions yet we barely scratch the surface with what we have. :sadrarity:
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Postby Corpy (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:15 pm

Three episodes in a row about sisterhood.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:26 pm

I'm sure we'll see some great moments between Rarity and Sweetie Belle in this episode. It'll be interesting to see how their relationship is strained and then repaired...
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:29 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I'm sure we'll see some great moments between Rarity and Sweetie Belle in this episode. It'll be interesting to see how their relationship is strained and then repaired...


I think what's going to happen is Sweetie Belle is going to want attention from Rarity, who wants to give it to her, but she's too busy working for a client. Sweetie Belle out of jealously of being "ignored" (when Rarity is just too busy at the moment) tries to force her to pay attention.

Then :moonie: haunts her nightmares forever.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:35 pm

Team Reasonable Demands is ready for this. :jingo:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:02 pm

ShieldedDiamond wrote:
I think what's going to happen is Sweetie Belle is going to want attention from Rarity, who wants to give it to her, but she's too busy working for a client. Sweetie Belle out of jealously of being "ignored" (when Rarity is just too busy at the moment) tries to force her to pay attention.

Then :moonie: haunts her nightmares forever.

The synopsis says that someone else who was paying attention to Sweetie Belle is caring about Rarity instead, not that Rarity herself is suddenly depriving her sister of attention. In the spoiler thread I had wondered if perhaps Sweetie Belle starts singing in this episode, only to have Rarity (as one of the Ponytones, after all) draw a bigger crowd, but between Rarity's compassion and her social awareness, I just don't think she'd willingly continue to perform to the point where it strained relations between the sisters that much.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:07 pm

I thought the synopsis said that Sweetie was upset with Rarity, not the client. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:24 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I thought the synopsis said that Sweetie was upset with Rarity, not the client. :pinkieshrug:

That's how I read it, too. What matters is that Sweetie Belle gets jealous and fucks shit up, much like Luna got jealous of Celestia and tried to fuck shit up 1000 years ago. I was just wondering what the source of Sweetie Belle's jealousy would be, since I don't think Rarity would directly do anything to cause it. And really, that's how the old story went as well. Celestia hadn't done anything to provoke Luna or deprive her of attention; instead, the Nightmare Moon business happened because of their subjects paying more attention to Celestia, with Luna wrongly blaming Celestia for it.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:38 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:The synopsis says that someone else who was paying attention to Sweetie Belle is caring about Rarity instead, not that Rarity herself is suddenly depriving her sister of attention. In the spoiler thread I had wondered if perhaps Sweetie Belle starts singing in this episode, only to have Rarity (as one of the Ponytones, after all) draw a bigger crowd, but between Rarity's compassion and her social awareness, I just don't think she'd willingly continue to perform to the point where it strained relations between the sisters that much.

Dave Polsky wrote Twilight Time also. I wonder if this is (intentionally or not) going to play off of Sweetie's epiphany in that episode about "being the big shots around here for a change!"

I don't like speculating too much about episodes ahead of time, but the scenario sounds... strange.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:47 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Dave Polsky wrote Twilight Time also. I wonder if this is (intentionally or not) going to play off of Sweetie's epiphany in that episode about "being the big shots around here for a change!"

I don't like speculating too much about episodes ahead of time, but the scenario sounds... strange.

That's something I wondered about earlier, too. Apple Bloom and Scootaloo don't seem to care much about Rarity, but given the way Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon acted when learning about Twilight Sparkle, maybe those two try to pull the same plot by pretending to be nice to Sweetie Belle only to pay all actual attention to Rarity. But if Sweetie Belle fell for that, that'd completely invalidate the lesson that all three of the Crusaders learned in Twilight Time... hmm...
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:05 pm

Well here we are, the final installment of the S4 Sister Episode Trilogy. Hoping this is another Sisterhooves Social, though having Luna make a Sleepless in Ponyville return is definitely interesting. We could potentially see a flashback between a certain other pair of sisters.

Consider me hopeful :allears:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:32 pm

This should be an interesting episode, cant wait :smirk: :unenthused:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:56 pm

I have been waiting four whole seasons to hear a pony say the word "SABOTAGE!" in an episode.

Saturday? I might get my wish.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:02 pm

Run-CMC has been done, but by God if someone would remake the Beastie Boys' "Sabotage" with the Crusaders then I would die happy.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:13 pm

Episode 20? Oh god no we're coming to the end. :negative:
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:13 pm

It's been a while since I've been looking forward this much to an episode based on synopsis alone! aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!! :ohboy: :whine:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:23 pm

Man, Rarity's getting a lot of episodes this season.

Still, I'm looking forward to the squeakyness :ohboy:
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Postby Aramek (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:31 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Man, Rarity's getting a lot of episodes this season.

Still, I'm looking forward to the squeakyness :ohboy:

Every episode :vogue: is in is a :vogue: episode.
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Postby Veradox (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:02 pm

Really looking forward to this one. It'll be good to see some more interaction between Sweetie Belle and Rairty. I also wonder what will cause Sweetie Belle to become jealous? I don't think I've ever seen her get so mad to destroy one of her own sister's dresses, especially after Sisterhooves Social. I'm interested. Oh yeah, and best princess is getting a reutrn. :moonie:
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:15 pm

So, wait, is it "Toils" or "Tolls?" The latter makes far more sense but I still haven't seen it cleared up.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:26 pm

Aramek wrote:Every episode :vogue: is in is a :vogue: episode.


I want this framed above the forums. :vogue:
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Postby Zuzie (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:32 pm

This is the exact kind of attention that Sweetie is going to get jealous of.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:34 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:So, wait, is it "Toils" or "Tolls?" The latter makes far more sense but I still haven't seen it cleared up.

Everything I've seen has spelled it as Toils. It's a pun based on the toiling she's likely going to have to do later in this episode.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:36 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Everything I've seen has spelled it as Toils. It's a pun based on the toiling she's likely going to have to do later in this episode.


This thread is titled "Tolls" though. What up with that? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:38 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:
This thread is titled "Tolls" though. What up with that? :pinkieshrug:


Same thing that happened to Scorpinok and Pinky Apple Pie? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:45 pm

londonarbuckle wrote:
This thread is titled "Tolls" though. What up with that? :pinkieshrug:

I think it had been using Toils earlier today. In fact, I assumed you or someone else had ninja edited the title at some point over this confusion.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:53 pm

It's "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Towels." She spills paint all over Rarity's expensive dress.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:55 pm

If this isn't one of the best episodes of the season I am going to smash something.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:56 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:It's "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Towels." She spills paint all over Rarity's expensive dress.

"For Whom the Sweetie Belle Trolls": Disgusted with Rarity for attracting attention away from her, Sweetie Belle decides to have her revenge by spreading nasty lies about her sister on the Internet; while lurking, Sweetie Belle is contacted By Luna through a Skype call.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:59 pm

Not sure who changed it - I'm keeping the zap2it title for now, and if it's wrong, we can change then
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:37 pm

The inclusion of dumb princess horses should not deter from the fact that we're getting a Best Horse episode :pinkietoot:
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