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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:50 pm

Let's have a catch-all thread for the leak. We only have 4 episodes left anywho...

Discuss early 723-26 reactions here. I need to go watch these and then I'll be back... :-I
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:58 pm

Just cut and paste my thoughts on the finale.

:-D That finale was really, really good. Why didn't we get this for the movie instead?


That's the big ensemble episode I've wanted for a long time. Nice villain, nice set up and everyone has some nice moments. The legends come together really nicely and make for a grand finale that has some good flashy action bits, and still sticks to the friendship is magic core.

First episode was a good set up and I really enjoyed the montage of everyone gathering the old artifacts. Especially Rainbow Dash and Spike's part. :lol:

I don't even care that Celestia and Luna weren't in it much, at least they weren't captured. I'll happily take "they're just not around" any day. Yeah, they probably should have been included at the end given how big a role the Elements play and them being former element bearers, but with only 44 minutes to work with, this episode was packed already.

It does totally retcon and disregard the Journal of the two sisters though. :fluttersmith:

Was still a really, really fun story. Even worst-horse gets to shine in it. Image

This was so much better than the movie. Far more creative, and I wish we had gotten more time to know all the legend ponies, but now that they're back, I imagine they'll pop up again.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:12 pm

Another season, another disappointing finale. Oh well

Sirens showed up so that was cool
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:13 pm

By Celestia's hammer! S07E23 Secrets and Pies is a freaking masterpiece. Possibly my favourite Pinkie Pie episode, and certainly the best PP/RD episode to date.

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:23 pm

Niels Olof wrote:By Celestia's hammer! S07E23 Secrets and Pies is a freaking masterpiece. Possibly my favourite Pinkie Pie episode, and certainly the best PP/RD episode to date.

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Plus, Rank RD confirmed.

S07E24 Uncommon Bond: A Starlight Glimmer centered episode, I didn't dislike! Will the wonders never cease?


I don't think it would rank as one of my favorites, but it was certainly goofy as hell and lots of fun. Another episode that reminds me of S1/S2. Tons of great gags in this one.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:15 pm

S07E25 Shadow Play Ⅰ:
It is frankly a delight to see that the Mane 6 can multitask and parallelise a MacGuffin hunt. The degree to which they reflected their respective dominant aspects in their search varied, but I cannot complain as a Rarity devotee. And it would seem Garble is done hugging every dragon on his way!

S07E26 Shadow Play Ⅱ:

This episode is a gold mine!

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of Lovecraftian horrors:
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I liked it well enough. I am not much of a glimglam fan, but for once she actually served a purpose that nopony but her could. After all these years, it was good to see the crotchety old magic codger in the flesh, and the Pillars puttering around Equestria will presumably be fine story fodder for Season 8.

Looking back on the season, I find it remarkably fine. Quite a few of the episodes brought back the old S1/S2 magic, while other explored emotional valleys and peaks that perhaps only now can be reached. Looking forward, I find that Hasbro's decision to much more closely integrate the comics and episodes promising. 22 minutes are not a lot, and if additional depth can be gained by a two-pronged approach, I'm all for it.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:42 am

It was an amazing finale indeed. I waited since Magical Mystery Cure for Starswirl to be in a season finale.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:14 am

I liked the finale. Good Pony adventuring. Nice continuity with Uncommon Bond.

Speaking of Uncommon Bond, it was good as well. I enjoyed Trixie and Maud's appearances, and Starlight's boredom at Sunburst and Twilight in the antique store was amusing. She turned in some good expressions this ep. And Sunburst was adorable as always.

I'll wait and watch the pie episode next week. :party:
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:30 am

Welp:

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:40 am

Yeah there were a lot of continuity errors.

There's no indication Starswirl helped make the tree in the Two Sister's journal. He tells Celestia he's been studying it, but nothing more.

I think the biggest one was the implication that Celestia and Luna were a lot younger 1000 years ago. And yeah, they were 1000 years younger, but they looked exactly the same given what we've seen in flashbacks. And we still don't know how long ago the whole thing with Discord was, where again, they look the same.

It ultimately is a minor thing to me, much as I love lore and continuity. Because the only thing that needed to be changed would be "1000 years" to "a long time ago, before Celestia and Luna came to this land". That'll be my headcanon and I'll chalk this up to just being a continuity error.

And in the end it was still a really fun and entertaining story, and it's easy to look past errors like that when you're entertained.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:58 am

The Doctor wrote:Yeah there were a lot of continuity errors.

There's no indication Starswirl helped make the tree in the Two Sister's journal. He tells Celestia he's been studying it, but nothing more.

I think the biggest one was the implication that Celestia and Luna were a lot younger 1000 years ago. And yeah, they were 1000 years younger, but they looked exactly the same given what we've seen in flashbacks. And we still don't know how long ago the whole thing with Discord was, where again, they look the same.

It ultimately is a minor thing to me, much as I love lore and continuity. Because the only thing that needed to be changed would be "1000 years" to "a long time ago, before Celestia and Luna came to this land". That'll be my headcanon and I'll chalk this up to just being a continuity error.

And in the end it was still a really fun and entertaining story, and it's easy to look past errors like that when you're entertained.


Off the top of my head:

• They've changed the origin of the Tree of Harmony to be something left behind by Starswirl and the Pillars immediately before they disappear, which clashes with the discovery of the Tree being the motivation for building Celestia and Luna's original castle in the Everfree Forest
• "Reflections" is now just a trainwreck. That entire story hinges on Starswirl still being around after Luna's banishment, which now isn't correct.

I'm sure there'll be plenty more once I start to dig.

None of it damaged my enjoyment of the story, though. It'll be fun to try and untangle things now, anyway.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:05 am

PaulloDEC wrote:
• They've changed the origin of the Tree of Harmony to be something left behind by Starswirl and the Pillars immediately before they disappear, which clashes with the discovery of the Tree being the motivation for building Celestia and Luna's original castle in the Everfree Forest


:spike101: Re-read the journal (I made the exact same mistake you did). Celestia asks Starswirl about the tree, and not only does he know what it is, so does Celestia once she is told the name. When they get into his library he has scrolls about his study of the tree. The tree is known to Celestia and to Starswirl. Celestia just didn't know what she was looking at.

Now, there is absolutely nothing to indicate it was made (in part) by Starswirl, but there's nothing that directly contradicts it either.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:08 am

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:spike101: Re-read the journal (I made the exact same mistake you did). Celestia asks Starswirl about the tree, and not only does he know what it is, so does Celestia once she is told the name. When they get into his library he has scrolls about his study of the tree. The tree is known to Celestia and to Starswirl. Celestia just didn't know what she was looking at.

Now, there is absolutely nothing to indicate it was made (in part) by Starswirl, but there's nothing that directly contradicts it either.


That's the trouble though, the S7 finale implies that the Tree only existed AFTER Starswirl and friends were gone (it grew from a seed they left behind). In other words, there would've been no Starswirl for Celestia to ask by the time the tree was grown. So I guess the Tree could still have been the inspiration behind the Castle, it just couldn't have gone down the way Celestia and Luna describe in the journal.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:03 pm

It would seem that it is with time lines as it is with distances within Equestria.

I once asked Amy Keating Rogers about how far it was from Ponyville to Canterlot, as I was trying reconcile that in one episode Canterlot was a leisurely afternoon walk away, and in another a night's worth of travel on the Friendship Express. She answered that the distance varied according to the needs of the script, which is fair enough.

Another tack is that the history of Equestria is no more confusing and contradictory than our own history. I have a weak spot for the old Romans, and especially the early republic (as well as pre-republic) period is notoriously tricky to pin down. There are few extant sources, often inconsistent, always incomplete, and usually written long after the events took place by people with agendas. Sifting through the sources and trying to build something consistent is why History is a discipline. I admit that we have some written sources on old Equestrian history, but oral tradition and some recent eye witness accounts would seem to contradict those (and each other, if we are to believe the Princesses' Diaries are unaltered) in certain regards, but at least contradictions are a happy thing in history, as that means more positions for historians.

We could always blame Starlight Glimmer for messing up the time lines.

The nature of Old Ponyish is interesting. Starswirl wrote in it, but as the ponies understood him as well as the other Pillars, it would seem that Old Ponyish is to modern Ponyish what Latin is to our respective languages: a dead language, once used only by the learned. Incidentally, having an immortal ruler administrating the land could have done a lot to keep the evolution of Ponyish in check, with Princess Celestia setting the standard for at least the high tongue. I guess she has been too busy with the affairs of state over the centuries to maintain her own Old Ponyish skills, though I would have loved to hear her hold forth in what to me sounded like attempted old Norse.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:29 pm

I gave in and watched Secrets and Pies this morning. Very funny episode, with Pinkie at her zany best. Lots of great faces. Always nice to see the Wonderbolts and Miss Cheerilee as well. Image
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:16 pm

This is my favorite finale, period. I was constantly expecting it to feel rushed in Episode 2 and yet the pacing worked perfectly.

This is how to do an adventure episode perfectly. Well, well, well done show. The stakes felt big and I never quite knew what would happen until near the end when Starlight was right. (And Starlight being right is another wonderful thing).

Secrets and Pies was similarly amazing, and Uncommon Bond suffers some pacing issues but overall is still quite enjoyable and relatable in terms of how sometimes friendships change and what was once common ground no longer quite is, and that's ok.

S7 is an awesome, awesome season.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:29 pm

Dexanth wrote:This is my favorite finale, period. I was constantly expecting it to feel rushed in Episode 2 and yet the pacing worked perfectly.

This is how to do an adventure episode perfectly. Well, well, well done show. The stakes felt big and I never quite knew what would happen until near the end when Starlight was right. (And Starlight being right is another wonderful thing).

Secrets and Pies was similarly amazing, and Uncommon Bond suffers some pacing issues but overall is still quite enjoyable and relatable in terms of how sometimes friendships change and what was once common ground no longer quite is, and that's ok.

S7 is an awesome, awesome season.


I agree, these last eight episodes (It Isn't the Mane Thing About You onwards) were a very strong end to a fine season. And a delightful movie, to booth! (Just saw it again, probably enjoyed it even more than the first time).
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:42 pm

Niels Olof wrote:The nature of Old Ponyish is interesting. Starswirl wrote in it, but as the ponies understood him as well as the other Pillars, it would seem that Old Ponyish is to modern Ponyish what Latin is to our respective languages: a dead language, once used only by the learned. Incidentally, having an immortal ruler administrating the land could have done a lot to keep the evolution of Ponyish in check, with Princess Celestia setting the standard for at least the high tongue. I guess she has been too busy with the affairs of state over the centuries to maintain her own Old Ponyish skills, though I would have loved to hear her hold forth in what to me sounded like attempted old Norse.


From a leaked script:

[Note: Olde Ponish is loosely based on Old English, but
ultimately made up. However the talent and voice director
interpret it will be fine.]


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-I found Secret and Pies to retread too much ground. It was alright.
-Uncommon Bond was way more low-key than I expected, not that was that was a bad thing.
-I felt like the pacing was super super fast in the finale, way more than the movie even. I admit to going :-/ several times in the first episode as we jumped literally all over Equestria into a rushed and obviously ill-considered plan from eager Twilight. We never get much explanation for what the shadows that took over Stygion are, anyways. Trying to actually provide an Elements of Harmony origin felt a bit cheap to me as well. I think this is a fine two-parter but it was not for me.
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