S06E01-02: The Crystalling

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Re: S06E01-02: The Crystalling

Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:25 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:I'd describe her expression as "sheepish."

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Yeah I'd describe that as happy but sheepish / shy. I quite like it and find it fitting.

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Nonnononono. It's so obvious now! Just think!

1. We have a Changeling flying in at the end of this.
2. Starlight & Sunburst complement one another, and each have their own strengths
3. We have 'Guardians of Harmony' trademarked.

So what this means is clearly : The arc for this season is Starlight forming her own group of friends. The Season finale will have the Changelings return and capture the Mane 6 / Princesses, leaving only Starlight free. With nothing else to turn to she rounds up her friends, and they tap into the Elements of Harmony / Rainbow Power to send Chrysalis Blasting Off Again, at which point they are free to spin off into their own series traveling across Equestria, writing wrongs and being heroes (And also giving Hasbro a completely new cast to make toys of while staying within the G4 world).

When I am right about this in 9 months I am going to be SO. SMUG. :crack:


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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:29 pm

I liked this! Shiny had a personality, Celestia and Luna had something to do, and the most interesting plotline was Starlight Glimmer & Spike.

The "Twilight has a task to do which is visually represented by an impossibly long scroll" is a really tired cliche at this point, but I like how both Starlight and Spike reacted in different ways to carrying out a Twilight Sparkle task: Spike just shrugs his shoulders and says, "welp, might as well start with #1 and go down the list" but Starlight is still devious enough to cut corners and intentionally misinterpret the task to make it easier on herself.

That forced-polite, talking-past-each-other dialogue between Starlight and Sunburst? Realistically complicated in a way I wasn't expecting for two unknown cartoon horses.

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Postby Waffles (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:48 pm

I had my doubts about their attempts to make Starlight Glimmer relatable about 5 minutes in, but I think they got a decent grasp on her new personality.

Was tickled to see Twilight Velvet and Night Light get a cameo (although, I guess someone said they're credited as Mr. and Mrs. Sparkle?)

Rest of the story was enjoyable enough. Was hoping for a bit more exposition about Sunburst with Celestia present at the end, but we got something so I guess it's fine.

Overall, I'd give it A Good Time / 10
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:03 pm

Rewatching part of this. The part where Starlight lets out what happened to her after Sunburst left, crying as she does so. Sunburst's only reaction is stunned silence, then saying "Did you really travel through time?"

The delivery of that scene really sells it :lol:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:08 pm

Mr. Big wrote:Rewatching part of this. The part where Starlight lets out what happened to her after Sunburst left, crying as she does so. Sunburst's only reaction is stunned silence, then saying "Did you really travel through time?"

The delivery of that scene really sells it :lol:

Yeah, that was really cute. I was pretty impressed with his VA and the expressions of emotion. Also the background ponies were pretty rad.
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:09 pm

How do crystal ponies work again? The sparkling, faceted versions at the end of the episode are the most toy-etic to fulfill whatever brand metric, but in-universe it's clearly a temporary special effect.

What about other times? Those three ponies that camped out for the ceremony, are they crystal ponies or just fans who came up on the train? Is there any way to tell?
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:12 pm

Oh my gosh, this episode was adorable. :awesomedash:

Some great Rarity noises too. :vogue:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:14 pm

PictishBeast wrote:How do crystal ponies work again? The sparkling, faceted versions at the end of the episode are the most toy-etic to fulfill whatever brand metric, but in-universe it's clearly a temporary special effect.

What about other times? Those three ponies that camped out for the ceremony, are they crystal ponies or just fans who came up on the train? Is there any way to tell?

My girlfriend brought that up during the show. I guess the Crystal Pones are just normal until something magic brings them all together and then everyone in the city gets it too which makes the Crystal Pones not very special at all.

Were all the crystal ponies crystal during the Equestria Games? I can't find any pictures that show them off specifically.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:16 pm

Yay, I'm back and everyone cares. :-I

Really really enjoyed it. I liked that there were several things happening at the same time and the dialogue continues to get better, natural, and more mature. The episode juggled... what, 14 characters? With ease.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:19 pm

You can tell which ones are crystal by the eye facets. The crystal ponies, as a race, even in normal mode, have hex catchlights.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:21 pm

PictishBeast wrote:How do crystal ponies work again? The sparkling, faceted versions at the end of the episode are the most toy-etic to fulfill whatever brand metric, but in-universe it's clearly a temporary special effect.

What about other times? Those three ponies that camped out for the ceremony, are they crystal ponies or just fans who came up on the train? Is there any way to tell?

You can tell from their hair and eyes. Crystal ponies have hexagonal catchlights in their eyes and their hair colors have lots of gradients, whereas non-crystal ponies pretty much always have solid colors in their hair. Of course, their color gradients might not be very evident or even visible for you. I'll have to run a few screenshots through that colorblindness simulator sometime.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:25 pm

PictishBeast wrote:What about other times? Those three ponies that camped out for the ceremony, are they crystal ponies or just fans who came up on the train? Is there any way to tell?

Crystal ponies have the slick hair swooshes and the square catch lights. Also, most of the crystal ponies in this episode have vaguely Grecian cutie marks, I guess to go with the pottery diorama at the beginning.
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Also they apparently share a nationwide phylactery? :squintyjack:

edit: I'm not sure about Mustache Guy, though. The hair colors are right, but not the eyes.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:27 pm

totally forgot this was starting this week. Just watched the first one and a baby condemned an empire to freeze to death, good start.
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Postby cathead (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:34 pm

Pretty good start to the season. I like Starlight's hairdo and her whole subplot was fun. I'm interested to see how she'll grow over the course of the season, as well as how much she'll actually be involved. Right now her character is still mostly "it's very awkward being a former villain trying to make friends". I vaguely had an idea similar to Dexanth's that they could potentially use her as Guardians of Harmony spinoff material eventually if she gets a couple more friends.

Also was nice to get back to watching pony live. I missed the majority of S5 so it was cool to hang out in #ponyday again.
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:44 pm

cathead wrote:Pretty good start to the season. I like Starlight's hairdo and her whole subplot was fun. I'm interested to see how she'll grow over the course of the season, as well as how much she'll actually be involved. Right now her character is still mostly "it's very awkward being a former villain trying to make friends". I vaguely had an idea similar to Dexanth's that they could potentially use her as Guardians of Harmony spinoff material eventually if she gets a couple more friends.

Also was nice to get back to watching pony live. I missed the majority of S5 so it was cool to hang out in #ponyday again.

It's nice to have you back into the whole scene, I'm glad I could see your continued enthusiasm .... also thanks for bringing me here. :)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:46 pm

It seems like I've been seeing a bunch of people coming back in for S6. Did S4 and the subsequent ponyless year really make that many people tired of ponies for a while?
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:52 pm

:unenthused: can't be bothered to give my Sister and I crystal pony designs? Throwing the filter over our normal design is all we get?
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:02 pm

The Doctor wrote::unenthused: can't be bothered to give my Sister and I crystal pony designs? Throwing the filter over our normal design is all we get?

that was disappointing
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:11 pm

so can I post my hot takes as I watch this shit or do I have to wait until its over to post a thesis
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:14 pm

:twonk: The Crystal Heart...it's been smashed into a million pieces!

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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:14 pm

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:18 pm

Really enjoyed this one. They managed to sell Starlight to me, though I'm still not keen on her, to my eyes, garish colour scheme.

Quite possibly the best Spike episode to date—striking a good balance between being helpful and a bit ridiculous, while always being a friend.

It was very nice to see the two Right Proper Princesses get to work, and notable that neither apparently were foaled Alicorns.
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:22 pm

Ten minutes in, looks like they're doing the instant personality swap same as Sunset, but so far no lingering consequences besides 'I used to be awful'
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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:29 pm

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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:39 pm



Crystal ponies have Grecian cutie marks, except for this one who has a freaking donkey for a cutie mark because her ass ain't moving. Perfect.

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Postby The Ghost Of Ember (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:15 pm

That was decent. Spike was MVP of the episode. Still dislike Sundown Sizzler, but I'm not sure if there is anything they can do to sell her to me at this point.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:20 pm


I looked at this again just now and I noticed that one pony in the back has an atom for a cutie mark. How far along has Equestrian physics come?
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:20 pm

I dunno, I'm not really feeling this one. Half the time I wanted Twilight to stop being so oblivious, and the other half I wished Spike would wisen up and stop being held to Twilight's step-by-step instructions on how to complete a task. That's not a lesson because there's no learning, it's just following directions. Twilight should've known better, and Spike certainly should've: he's been a good filter for Twilight's "moods" before, and he sure wasn't doing a good job here. The other big complaint I had was there was way too many dialog-heavy scenes without anything happening. Too often characters were standing still talking about things that needed to be done or just describing the current situation. This show usually excels at "show don't tell" but this wasn't one of those episodes. There's a time and place for dialog and exposition, but there was far, far too much of it here.

I dunno. I'm gonna need to rewatch it, but this was probably my least favorite series opener, or maybe on par with Season 3's premiere. It was as fun as Pony usually is, but really felt like there was way too much filler in the middle of what could've been a much more fleshed out journey through the story.

As far as the black thing flying in at the end of the episode, that felt kind of like a Cloverfield reference where that thing flew into the ocean right at the end of the movie. It could be nothing, but Cloverfield is the first thing that came to mind.
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Postby Minty (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:26 pm

The sky-thing is King Sombra, who heard the word "Crystalling" and thought it meant infinite crystals so he came back from the dead to indulge.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:31 pm

I enjoyed it. I work nights and sleep days and had some pre work errands to do. So I didn't watch it till like an hour ago.

Was a good bit of fun and Tabby G. made some boss ass baby noises.

Unlike a certain miserable movie yesterday with many disliking it outside of certain people saying TRUE FANS WILL LIKE IT this was good and fun and I doubt anyone will hate it. :-/

Welcome back Horsie Show I am at least 30 years too damned old to be watching. Also it was a total inversion from the Resident Evil manga I was reading while doing said errands because it wasn't lots of death n blood and guts and DRAAAMMMMMAAAAAAA. ( Honestly Resi has gotten more cartoonish and silly than MLP. )

But yes it was fun and maybe the forums will pick up again as opposed to thing I spend 20 minutes or so a week on. Though I probably do need to look at Atari Age more often... :twience:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:33 pm

I am warming to Starlight Glimmer, but mostly because I think she and Sunburst played great off each other. Kind of hope it doesn't end up like Amy and Rory on Doctor who where I disliked Amy, but liked Amy+Rory.



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Borderline on the "Good Spike Episode" and "Starlight Episode", but I think in the spirit of the game, these didn't quite hit those marks.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:40 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:I dunno, I'm not really feeling this one. Half the time I wanted Twilight to stop being so oblivious, and the other half I wished Spike would wisen up and stop being held to Twilight's step-by-step instructions on how to complete a task. That's not a lesson because there's no learning, it's just following directions. Twilight should've known better, and Spike certainly should've: he's been a good filter for Twilight's "moods" before, and he sure wasn't doing a good job here.

I dunno. I mean, remember what happened in Princess Spike? Spike tried to take over when Twilight was unavailable and he messed up pretty badly. I think this was a sign that he's learned from that, that he knows now just how much initiative he should take and when he should turn to Twilight's instruction(s).
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:42 pm

LardLad3545 wrote:The episode juggled... what, 14 characters? With ease.



Yeah this could only have been a Season 6 episode: so many supporting characters, secondary locations, backstories, references to past events, etc.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:42 pm

Captain Rufus wrote:Welcome back Horsie Show I am at least 30 years too damned old to be watching.

You're never too old to watch horsies. :vogue:

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She's not in the show. :v:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:46 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I dunno. I mean, remember what happened in Princess Spike? Spike tried to take over when Twilight was unavailable and he messed up pretty badly. I think this was a sign that he's learned from that, that he knows now just how much initiative he should take and when he should turn to Twilight's instruction(s).


One of the problems with Spike is that he's often characterized to fit the needs of the episode. Look back to "Lesson Zero" and he's pretty much behaving just like this episode. He's a good friend, and can understand things and do things in ways Twilight can't seem to grasp.

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I have no idea what you're talking about. :smirk:
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:49 pm

I liked how Celestia and Luna told Rainbow Dash to stay away from the storm clouds for her own safety--they, the immortal alicorn princesses, would handle it

Then at the end of the episode Dash is up there busting clouds anyway :jingo:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:50 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:I dunno, I'm not really feeling this one. Half the time I wanted Twilight to stop being so oblivious, and the other half I wished Spike would wisen up and stop being held to Twilight's step-by-step instructions on how to complete a task. That's not a lesson because there's no learning, it's just following directions.

If anything, I was a little bothered that they ended with Twilight beating herself up because her friendship lesson wasn't perfect. Sure, she and Spike should have realized friendships need to grow naturally, but that, "Oh no, I failed everyone!" ending seems to be really common for Twilight puppet master episodes. Just let it play out as her goofy checklist obsession (like they paint it at the beginning of the episode), and have Twilight say, "Oh, that's a much better way of making friends! :-I" at the end.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:53 pm

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One of the problems with Spike is that he's often characterized to fit the needs of the episode. Look back to "Lesson Zero" and he's pretty much behaving just like this episode. He's a good friend, and can understand things and do things in ways Twilight can't seem to grasp.

Hopefully he'll be more competent like this for the rest of this season. With Josh Haber at the helm now, perhaps we'll get a more sympathetic view of Spike than what we had under past story editors.
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Postby cathead (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:08 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:If anything, I was a little bothered that they ended with Twilight beating herself up because her friendship lesson wasn't perfect.

It just shows you that friendship is VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS. :twiright:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 11:14 pm

PictishBeast wrote:I liked how Celestia and Luna told Rainbow Dash to stay away from the storm clouds for her own safety--they, the immortal alicorn princesses, would handle it

Then at the end of the episode Dash is up there busting clouds anyway :jingo:

Don't inflate her ego, she only busted up like four clouds before her wings were too frozen and she had to land. :-/
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