S06E13: Spice Up Your Life

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Re: S06E12: Spice Up Your Life

Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:19 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:Right that's my point, the only avatars of criticism they seem to put in are people that don't just say 'I don't like this' but also 'I don't like this and you're a stupid poor asshole if you think it's good' which...is not a thing. Like, the people who do that aren't seen as some respected bastion of knowledge on the subject like they're portrayed as here, the michelin people don't go around saying 'if you don't eat at a star resteraunt you might as well just eat hot trash you poor garbage person' and shit. It's just kinda this annoying trend in general stuff where the message of 'overly harsh critics are dicks, you can have an opinion without shaming other people' is evolving into 'critics are dicks who shame other people by having opinions'.

I'm thinking back on the episode now and I really can't say I got the feeling that shaming critics in general was the episode's message. I feel it was more that Zesty Gourmand was a famous asshole and that you really mustn't need to listen to assholes just because they're famous. Now, say, if the show had also gone out of its way to slam the critic who wrote the titular review in The Saddle Row Review then I might be inclined to agree with you, but as it is I'm just not seeing this here.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:19 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Daniel's been credited with lyrics before, my mistake if that wasn't the case this week.

I don't think he's ever been credited as the sole lyric-writer. For the songs he gets credited as a co-writer, based on my experience, that usually means he changed one or two lines to fit the music better.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:21 pm

It would have been nice to see Celly at the restaurant. Celestia strikes me as somepony who's always up for trying different things, and who likes to stay in tune with different Equestrian cultures, the better to know her subjects. :pcstare:

I doubt Luna would go to the restaurant for the same reason, but it would have been nice to see her tag along with big sister. :unenthused:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:23 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Daniel's been credited with lyrics before, my mistake if that wasn't the case this week.

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In other episodes he's shown up as either the sole credit for the lyrics, co-writer of the lyrics (as Octavia mentioned), and having no credit for the lyrics (in this case).
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:25 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:the michelin people don't go around saying 'if you don't eat at a star resteraunt you might as well just eat hot trash you poor garbage person'.

This is true. I've eaten at restaurants in the Michelin Guide with $8 entrees. They base their ratings on the food, service, and overall experience, regardless of how hoity-toity it is.

But for the sake of a pony show, it didn't really bother me. :fluttershrug:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:25 pm

Also this show rarely reuses animation but on the chorus they did 3 times. Probably intentional but I never love it.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:29 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I'm thinking back on the episode now and I really can't say I got the feeling that shaming critics in general was the episode's message. I feel it was more that Zesty Gourmand was a famous asshole and that you really mustn't need to listen to assholes just because they're famous. Now, say, if the show had also gone out of its way to slam the critic who wrote the titular review in The Saddle Row Review then I might be inclined to agree with you, but as it is I'm just not seeing this here.


Yea it's a really stupid thing to get hung up on but I guess the general feeling of this not being the first time this kinda message has been used and the fact that instead of just 'fancy food critic' it was their stand in for michelin stars and all kinda combo'd to make me more annoyed with the ending than I should have been.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:29 pm

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Postby InC (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:30 pm

Octavia wrote:I don't think he's ever been credited as the sole lyric-writer. For the songs he gets credited as a co-writer, based on my experience, that usually means he changed one or two lines to fit the music better.


He was credited the sole writer of the Filli Vanilli songs, which probably happened because their lyrics have no relevance to the story. They're so good, too. :allears:
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:32 pm

And most of the songs in Magical Mystery Cure excluding the intro and outro, and he shared credit with Larson on the episode's plot-establishing song.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:36 pm

Where's an applejack :belch: smiley when I need one

I didn't think they could make the Pinkie/Rarity episode worse than the mediocre Gift of the Maud Pie, but they managed to do it.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:42 pm

Big Boss wrote:Where's an applejack :belch: smiley when I need one

I didn't think they could make the Pinkie/Rarity episode worse than the mediocre Gift of the Maud Pie, but they managed to do it.

This one? :bluh:

I thought today's episode was a lot better than the Gift of Maud Pie :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:48 pm

:smirk: :"Rarity, when it comes to fashion you are adequate"

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:ohboy: :"Sufficient! Passable! Middle of the road! A Dignified C-minus! An also-ran! Definitely not the first choice but an acceptable stand in for the real thing!"

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:10 pm

Yeah, this one was fun and cool and the song was great!
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:24 pm

:excite: Image We've come up with a spell to get the friendship map working again. Here goes...

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:-/ Spike, did you replace the batteries in the map like I asked?

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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:27 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Also this show rarely reuses animation but on the chorus they did 3 times. Probably intentional but I never love it.


Yeah, it sucked when they did it in Babs Seed's song, too.

This episode was... Adequate :v:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:29 pm

You know, it occurred to me that it's been a while since Starlight appeared, her last appearance being "A Hearth's Warming Tale" four episodes ago, and even then her appearance was only in the pre-open scene.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:39 pm

Mr. Big wrote:You know, it occurred to me that it's been a while since Starlight appeared, her last appearance being "A Hearth's Warming Tale" four episodes ago, and even then her appearance was only in the pre-open scene.

Perhaps they're saving her for a season-ender story arc.

I'm not sure that's really the best decision for a New Friend Geromy, but they're definitely not trying to shoehorn her into everything, are they?
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Postby Adelor Lyon (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:41 pm

Mr. Big wrote:You know, it occurred to me that it's been a while since Starlight appeared, her last appearance being "A Hearth's Warming Tale" four episodes ago, and even then her appearance was only in the pre-open scene.

Nowadays it's almost conspicuous when she's not mentioned during an ensemble episode. Like, take Newbie Dash: Why wasn't Starlight in Dash's cloudominium in the beginning, or there after Dash's first day? She should've been there because she's one of Dash's friends and her party was a real cause to celebrate. Saddle Row Review? Heck, even if she wasn't going to help Rarity fix things up (an additional sub-plot would've really stretched the time thin), a quick word at the cafe could've been funny. In Flutter Brutter, it would've been interesting to've seen her walking with Pinkie and Applejack when Fluttershy and Rainbow were flying overhead. She doesn't necessarily need to say or do anything, but just being there helps the viewer remember she's still there and still important. There have been lots of other occasions where a Mane 6 member is tagging along but not integral to a scene.

All that said, this was the first episode where she showed up and wasn't the center of attention. So that's progress.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:48 pm

Yeah, I want her to show up more too. I guess they're being conservative with her cause she's new to the show and they don't know what her reception's gonna be like? I mean they don't want a Poochie scenario here :v:

She's totally hillarious and a great addition to the show though.
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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:52 pm

Yeah, it was okay. Not bad, but not great. Pinkie's way of eating made me laugh and Tabitha's voice acting is always a treat.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:54 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:Yeah, I want her to show up more too. I guess they're being conservative with her cause she's new to the show and they don't know what her reception's gonna be like? I mean they don't want a Poochie scenario here :v:

She's totally hillarious and a great addition to the show though.

That's a great point, actually. Usually, when a show adds a new character this late in the game (after over 100 episodes), it's usually jarring, but Starlight actually fits in pretty well.

But yeah, maybe it's largely due to the writers being aware of the "Cousin Oliver" scenario and doing everything they can to avoid it.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:56 pm

Not a huge fan of Starlight, so her showing up occasionally like Discord is just fine by me.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:20 pm

more starlight, imo
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:27 pm

Adelor Lyon wrote:In Flutter Brutter, it would've been interesting to've seen her walking with Pinkie and Applejack when Fluttershy and Rainbow were flying overhead.

Would it have been funny if she asked who Zephyr Breeze was and Applejack and Pinkie Pie used that chance to talk shit about him based on what they'd heard from Fluttershy, or would that have come off as too much exposition of a new character for the sake of the audience?
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Postby Perinerd (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:31 pm

I just want them to decide what they're doing with Starlight.
They shoved her into the season premiere and then shove her off to the side, then bring her back, then shove her off again, rinse and repeat. They decided what they were gonna do with Discord as soon as he appeared so why are they having trouble with Starlight?

(although personally in definitely no bias, glimglam is best pon and we need more of her :-P )

It was good to have another Rarity and Pinkie episode, a good one at that (looking at you GoMP). Rarity is, as usual, fabulous.

Twilight and Twilight in Twilight's Castle is actually time travel foreshadowing for UniTwi being teleported to modern day castle and meeting AliTwi and GlimGlam. :twiright:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:34 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Would it have been funny if she asked who Zephyr Breeze was and Applejack and Pinkie Pie used that chance to talk shit about him based on what they'd heard from Fluttershy, or would that have come off as too much exposition of a new character for the sake of the audience?

Probably too slow for an episode that had good pacing already.

Six characters is already a lot to cram into ensemble episodes, so Starlight needs a few genuine focus episodes to build her up -- and not just a backhanded lesson about how much Twilight doesn't know about teaching friendship. Maybe later this season or next season? Kinda reminds me of season 4 dancing awkwardly around Twilight's royalty.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:52 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:more starlight, imo

More Starlight being semi-bad too, imo.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:54 pm

I just don't buy Starlight as friends with any of the Mane 6. Her becoming friends with Sunburst was fun because we got to watch it. her becoming friends with Trixie was fun because we got to watch it.

We're just told that she's friends with the mane 6, and don't see anything to back it up.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:00 pm

Octavia wrote:This one? :bluh:


WHY I COULD I NOT FIND IT :consternation:
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:05 pm

Big Boss wrote:
WHY I COULD I NOT FIND IT :consternation:
I don't know, whose job is it to keep the emote categories up to date? :v:
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Postby Rainbow Crash (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:09 pm

Those Indian ponies were the bomb. I really enjoyed this one.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:19 pm

I don't watch Food Network or Bollywood, so any references this episode might make will probably go over my head. I'm counting on you ponygoons to point them out! :jingo:

• Did you try unplugging the map and rebooting?
• Everypony's so excited to be getting random assignments to the far corners of Equestria again!
• Holy shit I would love a Twilight-Twilight teamup. Damn you show for putting this notion in my head! Now I'm going to be distracted because I can't think about anything else.
• Even Rarity can't muster enthusiasm for molecular cuisine.
• Ha, the three maitre D's even have the same cutie mark.
• "rustic" = "ethnic" :gonkity:
• Maybe they should just let the place fold. The invisible hoof of the free market has decided.
• No, Rarity! Restaurants, like people, must be themselves!
• Okay, Rarity and Pinkie working against each other is a nice development.
• Tourist Wife is adorable.
• Even Zesty's snout is sharp! :flutterdear:
• OK, as of the final break I dunno where this is going, but it feels like it took a long time to get there.
• The solution is for these two to move the hell out of this snooty town and reopen in Ponyville.
• I like the dialogue hinting that Rarity is now pretty well known in Canterlot and she has strings to pull.
• My cable is glitching and I can't rewind, but I think the lesson is ... do what you want instead of what you think other people would want? Which is identical to Saddle Row Review, except that episode was bigger and better than this one?
• Though it's kinda nice to see two Mane Sixers get mad at each other, if only for a minute -- that hasn't happened in a while, I don't think.

Molecular review: Eh, not my favorite, felt half-baked. :pinkieshrug: Not many character moments (despite some very good new character designs) and I'm still not clear on what the basic problem or conflict was. It's a writing thing -- the script felt like it needed a few more passes. Or one big overhaul.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:25 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:Molecular review: Eh, not my favorite, felt half-baked. :pinkieshrug: Not many character moments (despite some very good new character designs) and I'm still not clear on what the basic problem or conflict was. It's a writing thing -- the script felt like it needed a few more passes. Or one big overhaul.

Map episodes tend to be half friendship problem and half Mane 6 problem. This one was pretty heavily tilted toward the latter, and mostly toward Rarity's assumption that you have to fit in to succeed. Reminds me of that one with Coco putting on a play.
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:32 pm

VoidChicken wrote:I don't know, whose job is it to keep the emote categories up to date? :v:


IT'S MY JOB oh wait :fluttershock:
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Postby Sidotsy (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:54 pm

Octavia wrote:This one? :bluh:

I thought today's episode was a lot better than the Gift of Maud Pie :pinkieshrug:

Ehhhh.. I liked Applejack's "Day" off more than Gift of Maud Pie and this one was only better than Gift because of the super interesting background ponies and their amazing hairstyles. The story itself was pretty boring and the song lyrics were uninspired and forgettable. The music however was good and I'm excited for a remix.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:58 pm

It was a good bit of fun and that design for Saffron was fantastic.

Pack it up Celestia, Luna, Cadence, and Sparks. I think we know who is prettiest princess now. Princess of Cooking!

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Postby stonecutter (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:16 pm

Aramek wrote:He'll make a racially insensitive comment about donkeys.

Or mules.

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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:14 pm

Good ep. Not outstanding or anything, but fun with an interesting conflict.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:14 pm

Aramek wrote:More Starlight being semi-bad too, imo.
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