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Postby Kronos (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:31 am

The Doctor wrote:Another thing they changed in the German trailer....

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:53 am

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I'm gonna be honest; I think she's a pretty cool villain all things considered

I agree. I mean, yeah, the broken horn implies either some sort of dark past or a terribly edgy personality in the present, but is that really a problem of its own? Maybe I've been exposed to too few edgy villains in media (there was Sombra, and that's about it, from what I've ever seen or read) to be annoyed by them now.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:53 am

Somehow I get the feeling Tempest is somewhat related to Kuvira from The Legend of Korra.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:58 am

Durandal wrote:Image
I'm gonna be honest; I think she's a pretty cool villain all things considered



It's the combination of the broken horn and the dark, broody colors that ruins it for me.

They should have made her bright and pink with a broken horn. :gotcha:
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:32 am

The Doctor wrote:

It's the combination of the broken horn and the dark, broody colors that ruins it for me.

They should have made her bright and pink with a broken horn. :gotcha:


The big climax to the movie will be where Twilight has a massive duel with Tempest, only to burst open a water main and wash out her fur dye.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:16 am

I'm wondering what the deal is with this new set of symbols:

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The usual stained glass windows are there (in the throne room?) , but the rest is new. Sun and moon framing the thrones, and above them... is that supposed to be a combination of the two?

Bremen wrote:
The big climax to the movie will be where Twilight has a massive duel with Tempest, only to burst open a water main and wash out her fur dye.

She was kicked out of Equestria for leaning on the walls during a convention.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:23 am

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So the German trailer has been released and aside from a scene not shown in the English trailer, the look of some of the scenes is a little different.

As for the different scene it just shows the mane 6 and spike (minus Twilight) getting shot out of Pinkie's party cannon by the pirates. It's looks like they're in the ruins of Canterlot, so probably they're breaking into Canterlot Castle where Twilight is with the villains for the climax


Super weird. I went looking for a comparison of my own, and some of the differences are really stark:

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The overzealous bevel/lighting/shadowing is essentially gone in the German version.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:50 am

adiwan wrote:Somehow I get the feeling Tempest is somewhat related to Kuvira from The Legend of Korra.
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I guess this'll depend largely on whether Tempest Shadow thinks she's genuinely doing a good thing for Equestria. Kuvira seemed to think her strongarm military rule was a genuinely good thing for the peoples of the Earth Kingdom, and she did provide for those who submitted to her regime, but she was picking up the pieces of a nation shattered by a colossal war in the past. Equestria, meanwhile, has had no century-long war such as the one the Fire Nation waged on the rest of the world.

I guess it's possible that Tempest Shadow could have some more personal reason to have joined the Storm King, some personal conviction that something is wrong in Equestria and needs to be righted. But even then, I rather doubt her beliefs are going to match up with reality.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:13 pm

PaulloDEC wrote:
Super weird. I went looking for a comparison of my own, and some of the differences are really stark:

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The overzealous bevel/lighting/shadowing is essentially gone in the German version.

Seeing this comparison is making me think the ridiculously over-the-top shading may not just be a conversion error or an accidental work in progress version being used for the trailer and they're seriously going for the puffy stickers look. The scene with Trixie was obviously fucked, but this one seems less like a conversion error and more like an incompetent art style vs. an earlier version of the scene before all the overblown shading shit happened
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:51 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I guess this'll depend largely on whether Tempest Shadow thinks she's genuinely doing a good thing for Equestria. Kuvira seemed to think her strongarm military rule was a genuinely good thing for the peoples of the Earth Kingdom, and she did provide for those who submitted to her regime, but she was picking up the pieces of a nation shattered by a colossal war in the past. Equestria, meanwhile, has had no century-long war such as the one the Fire Nation waged on the rest of the world.

I guess it's possible that Tempest Shadow could have some more personal reason to have joined the Storm King, some personal conviction that something is wrong in Equestria and needs to be righted. But even then, I rather doubt her beliefs are going to match up with reality.


No person thinks that their actions are inherently evil. These actions always serve a "purpose", however it might look like.
Doctor Doom wants to conquer the world because he sees that his rule is the only one that guarantees peace and prosperity, even when it involves some broken eggs on the way (and a vision of Wakanda's gods that prove to him that there is no future without Doom).
But then again back to Kuvira: she purposely destroyed in furious rage and determination a city with a spirit-vine-powered mecha and ironically became the biggest factor of instability in the quest to stabilize the Earth Empire.

One can argue that there is only peace in Equestria because Celestia and Luna have effectively the sole control over the sun and the moon, and hold implicitly a terror reign on that planet.
They can decide on a whim which country burns into ashes or freeze to death in eternal night. I believe that it's on an equivalent level of holding an arsenal of nuclear bombs. Foreign country leaders might look at this as very dangerous. Maybe in Equestria itself there can be a political group that wants to democratize this power back to the citizens, as shown in Hearthswarming Eve when the ordinary unicorns were responsible for sunrise and sundown.
I don't know but every country outside of Equestria looks kind of wasteland-ish. In FIENDship is Magic #2 the centaur lands don't look that flourishing. Yakyakistan could need a bit of warmth. The dragons... It looks quite rocky there. Griffonstone isn't the nicest place either.
I don't know which global effects Equestria's weather control system did to the planet.

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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:39 pm

Durandal wrote:Image
I'm gonna be honest; I think she's a pretty cool villain all things considered

I look forward to Dash kicking her right in the mouth.
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:29 am

I keep rewatching the trailer just to listen to the song that plays. Can't wait to listen to the full version (hoping the soundtrack gets released sooner rather than later than the movie).
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:33 am

Ruflux wrote:Seeing this comparison is making me think the ridiculously over-the-top shading may not just be a conversion error or an accidental work in progress version being used for the trailer and they're seriously going for the puffy stickers look. The scene with Trixie was obviously fucked, but this one seems less like a conversion error and more like an incompetent art style vs. an earlier version of the scene before all the overblown shading shit happened


I legitimately don't know what to think at the moment. The overblown shading/lighting looks amateurish and stupid to me, but it's hard to believe something like that could make it into a trailer release like this by accident.

Then again, take this example:

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Top is English, bottom is German. Look at the edges of the birds they've used here as a transition; in the English version the outlines are far too dark and defined, whereas in the German version they're appropriately soft and they're blurring in a fashion that looks correct. As someone who works in editing/compositing software on a daily basis, I'd feel comfortable saying someone messed up with the English version. Those edges don't look like a stylistic choice to me, they look like a mistake.

So who the hell knows. Hopefully someone on clears this up on Twitter like they did with the teaser.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:40 am

I don't think anyone has mentioned yet how on the promotional website you can turn any moment of the trailer into a GIF.
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Postby Frith (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:56 am

I enjoyed the trailer and think the new animation style looks very nice. There were moments in the trailer where the 3D background elements seemed unfinished but those are the problems that can be fixed.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:00 am

That's pretty nifty.

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Postby marshmallow (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:05 pm

The fans calling Tempest "edgy" made me realize something. That term only seems to be used against villains in fantasy settings, not ones set in the real world. I don't think I've ever seen it used against a tatted up gangbanger or a terrorist. I think it'd be funny to take that same approach to characters like Tuco Salamanca. Ooh, he has a blinged out grill, snorts drugs off a knife, and he kills underlings. So edgy!

In the realm of bad ideas, invading Equestria is approaching Russia in winter/land war in Asia status. News probably doesn't travel too fast, but I'd think other nations would have heard about some of the villains who tried to take over and got their butts handed to them. I wonder if SK knows about this and has a great plan, or if he's arrogant/ignorant and just barges in since that always worked in the past. Could be funny if he dismissed the stories about the other villains as Equestrian propaganda.

adiwan wrote:I don't know which global effects Equestria's weather control system did to the planet.


This makes me wonder whenever they leave Equestria and other races have a dismissive attitude towards the ponies, like dragons or griffins. Sure, they can be proud and all, but ponies control the sun and moon, better show them respect. Also makes me question the plans of villains, since if you take out the ponies the world will be messed up. Then again, this raises more questions, like how did the sun and moon work before ponies existed? Or maybe ponies assumed control for their own selfish ends, just like they use weather magic and magical artifacts to terraform the environment.

It'd be nice if this aspect was touched upon, instead of the Storm King seeing Equestria as just another place to conquer. Maybe Twi's whiteboard portraying the sun/moon will come into play, or is a device to explain to the audience who hasn't seen the show how it works.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:24 pm

Highbrow Dash wrote:That's pretty nifty.

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Rarity's expressions are glorious. :allears:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:32 pm

:bluh: Dang, Ah got icing in mah eye.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:57 pm

marshmallow wrote:Maybe Twi's whiteboard portraying the sun/moon will come into play, or is a device to explain to the audience who hasn't seen the show how it works.


Let's blame Lauren Faust for not thinking through all the little things like economics, politics, and environmental issues coming from controlling celestial bodies and the weather (and magic in general) on a global and local level.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:43 pm

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New poster is out and word is the trailer will come out today. So stayed tuned I guess.



Once again. Sia-pony is grouped with the bad guys.



She's going to end up being a villain.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:12 pm

marshmallow wrote:In the realm of bad ideas, invading Equestria is approaching Russia in winter/land war in Asia status. News probably doesn't travel too fast, but I'd think other nations would have heard about some of the villains who tried to take over and got their butts handed to them. I wonder if SK knows about this and has a great plan, or if he's arrogant/ignorant and just barges in since that always worked in the past. Could be funny if he dismissed the stories about the other villains as Equestrian propaganda.

This makes me wonder whenever they leave Equestria and other races have a dismissive attitude towards the ponies, like dragons or griffins. Sure, they can be proud and all, but ponies control the sun and moon, better show them respect. Also makes me question the plans of villains, since if you take out the ponies the world will be messed up. Then again, this raises more questions, like how did the sun and moon work before ponies existed? Or maybe ponies assumed control for their own selfish ends, just like they use weather magic and magical artifacts to terraform the environment.

It'd be nice if this aspect was touched upon, instead of the Storm King seeing Equestria as just another place to conquer. Maybe Twi's whiteboard portraying the sun/moon will come into play, or is a device to explain to the audience who hasn't seen the show how it works.

I also face the same dilemma when ever a new raid comes out on Warcraft. I mean we defeated kings, dragons and even gods. What makes the next villain think he will do any better then the last hundred invasions we stopped? Save us all the time and effort and just give me your loot already.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:35 pm

I wasn't thrilled by the trailer. I was just eeeeeeehhhhh through the whole thing and didn't feel excited at all. Add in the actual voice talent pretty much not even being acknowledged for the stunt casting and.. bleh.
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:23 am

Does anyone else notice that the villain pony is always a unicorn? And it seems that Tempest doesn't really have to be a unicorn in this case because she has her horn missing. The movie missed a golden opportunity to have it's first evil earth pony villain. Then again we never actually seen a unicorn with a broken horn either. It was never touched on what that could imply. I mean a legit character and not a background prop pony.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:23 am

Let's see which "villains" the show had to offer. (I bet I forgot someone or the listed character is questionably a villain)

Season 1:
Nightmare Moon - Alicorn
Shadowbolt - Pegasus
Gilda - Griffin
Trixie - Unicorn
Dragon (Dragonshy) - Dragon
Cockatrice - Cockatrice
Parasprite - Parasprite
Diamond Tiara - Earth Pony
Diamond Dogs - Diamond Dogs
Dragon (Owl's well ends well) - Dragon
Philomena - Phoenix
Hydra - Hydra

Season 2:
Discord - Draconequs
Spike (Secret of my Excess) - Dragon
Baby Cakes - Unicorn and Pegasus
Flim and Flam - Unicorn
Iron Will - Minotaur
Windigo - Windigo
Dragons (Dragon Quest) - Dragon
Queen Chrysalis - Changeling

Season 3:
King Sombra - Unicorn
Babs Seed - Earth Pony
Lightning Dust - Pegasus
Timberwolf - Timberwolf

Season 4:
Plants - Plants
Flutterbat - Pegasus/Batpony
Vampire Fruit Bats- Vampire Fruit Bat
Calabreon - Earth Pony
Ahuizotl - Ahuizotl
Mane-iac - Earth Pony
Suri Polomare - Earth Pony
Tirek - Centaur

Season 5:
Starlight Glimmer - Unicorn
Tantabus - Evil dream cloud
Hooffields and McColts - Earth Pony

Season 6:
Storm clouds - Bad Weather
Dragon Lord - Dragon
Zephyr Breeze - Pegaus
Gladmane - Earth Pony

Equestria Girls:
Sunlight Shimmer - Unicorn
Sirens - Sirens
Evil demon Twilight Sparkle - Human
Crystal High Students - Human
Crystal High Headmistress - Human
Gloriosa - Human
Juniper Montage - Human
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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:15 pm

Um... I did use the term "villain pony" as a disqualifier. So any thing not a pony should be excluded from the list. While not specified, I don't think every antagonist is a villain either. Unless the scoop of the show is narrowed down, I don't consider a greedy or reckless pony to be the villain. It would be like in a Spider-Man movie, if Spider-Man stopped a school bully and then went to go battle a super powered bad guy and someone asked you who the villain was, chances are you probably would list the school bully as being one. But if you watched a movie about school life and the only antagonist was the school bully, then yes, on a smaller scale, that school bully would be the villain of the story.

Putting Diamond Tiara and Tirek in the same category of villain seems disproportionate. I think it has more to do with their motives. I haven't seen an earth pony lead an army to try to conquer Equstria or a pegasus harness the power of weather to try to destroy the world. Even though those things could every well happen, nothing is stopping them from doing so. When if comes to screwing things up for a lot of ponies it is usually a unicorn who is doing it. I would consider Mane-iac a villain but I don't know how much of a threat she actually poses to the real world. She is a fictional character in an enchanted comic book. Nightmare Moon, Sombra, Sunset, and Starlight were all unicorns that planned to either conqueror or destroyed the world. Even Trixie's second appearance could be considered a villain, but definitely not her first appearance. Where are the earth or pegasi world destroyers? Tempest could have every well been our first earth pony conqueror. But instead they made her a hornless unicorn. Which is still cool in it's own right, but not the same thing.
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Postby adiwan (?) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:05 pm

Of course it's disproportionate, one is a jerk, the other is a life-threatening behemoth. The term of villainy in MLP is not always clearly defined, maybe sometimes a bit too much.
However a villain can simply be a person with malicious intent. Compiling the list I tried to grab each straw I could find that could be at least seen as a little bit of villainy, even when it's just a force of nature.
Depending on political views and ideology the most well-intentioned character can have aspects that can be seen as an opposing force to one's ideology.

Let's imagine a character in Equestria would think that monarchy was oppressing the will of all citizens of Equestria. Therefore Princess Celestia, Luna, and Cadance were the manifestation of this oppression and need to be overthrown, despite implementing beneficiary policies to their countries. I know that's very philosophical and political and and a very constructed example.

The main problem of having an abundance unicorn villains is that there exists a bunch of other capable magic-using unicorns in the world. One unicorn could disable a legion of earth ponies with one telekinetic spell (at least for a short while). Sadly but true, magic is overpowered in MLP.
Twilight showed a very potent transfiguration spell in Feeling Pinkie Keen. Any pony (earth, pegasus, crystal) with no magic defenses has no chance against such a spell.
In my D&D group our wizard used a polymorph spell (a higher-level spell but not impossible to gather) and transformed a giant bug-like monstrosity into a frog and killed it off in a bag of devouring that eats up (and eventually destroys) anything that enters the bag.

There is no "realistic" way that one earth pony could compete against a common unicorn like Rarity. Rarity would use her telekinetic spell to throw heavy and stabby objects at the earth pony, or even use a rope to entangle the earth pony's legs.

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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:20 am

Saying there is no realistic way to do it is just lacking imagination. Telekinesis isn't some kind of unstoppable, be all end all, magic. It was shown to have serve limitations. It can only reach so far, lift so much and hold things for so long. It is more like an invisible arm with the strength spending on the skill of the user. It was shown to be rather easy to physically knock something out of a magical grasp. Granted, it does change based on what the script call for. But, I highly doubt Rarity has enough magic that Applejack couldn't knock a knife she was holding away. If magic was that powerful they would need construction equipment to build things and dragons wouldn't be a threat. A really strong earth could probably withstand the magic of several unicorns at once and a charismatic earth pony warlord would have an army so he wouldn't have to directly fight anyone. If there was a political uprising against Celestia, there is no reason why a earth pony couldn't be leading that idea.
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Postby marshmallow (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:47 am

The show doesn't like to explain details about its magic system, but if they really wanted to show an Earth pony fight unicorns they could explain how telekinesis and other magic can be resisted with a strong will. Earth ponies are magical too. I tend to assume this sort of logic is true of most generic magic settings, otherwise powerful wizards would just grab their enemies and slam them against the wall, instantly snap their neck, or stop their heart. The Earth pony could also have a magical artifact that protects them. You can't go ten feet in Equestria without stumbling over some long forgotten artifact.

Most unicorns can't do what Twilight does. I can't remember Rarity ever picking up a full grown pony with her magic. She grabbed Spike once or twice I believe. She couldn't stop three diamond dogs from capturing her. The few times the series has shown her fight she's preferred kicking and punching. I think the only time she's shot magic beams was in a dream.

An air wing led by a villainous pegasus would be imposing, though the movie seems to be using storms/twisters to destroy Canterlot and the show has already done extreme cold and freakish weather as a threat before.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:12 am

Magic is only ever as strong or as weak as the story needs it to be. There's been plenty of times when it's been "too" strong (all the way from Applebuck Season where Twilight picked an entire orchard of apples at once, to Not Asking For Trouble where the yaks were made out to be completely helpless without the aid of those kindly unicorns from Equestria) and times where it's outright failed for little apparent reason (the opening of The Return of Harmony comes to mind). It'd be nice to have a more defined system of how it works, but in the absence of that I think the next best thing to do is to just go with what the show's giving us.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:53 pm

Magic is OP in real life too. That's why we shot it.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:09 pm

Huh, so Michel Gagne's working on the movie. Found this blog post from April

My Little Pony: The Movie is going great, but the schedule has been extended beyond what we anticipated. I was initially supposed to end in February, and move on to Spider-Man: The Animated Movie in March.

When February came, the power at DHX (the studio responsible for creating the film) asked if it would be possible to extend my commitment until the summer. I would hate to leave half way through a production, so I agreed. And besides, I really enjoy working with the talented DHX team. I think people will be very surprised to see how good the film looks.

Sony, on the other hand, still wanted me to go on to Spider-Man starting in March. DHX agreed to let me go for three weeks so that I could help design/animate one of Spider-Man's key signature effect in the film, but come April, I had to return to MLP. Sony thanked me for my services and, since I'm no longer available for the immediate future, they decided to move on without me.

Unless someone at Sony Picture Animation unexpectedly comes calling after I finish MLP at the end of July, this was my last stint on Spider-Man. They seem happy with the material I created in the four months I was on the project in 2016/2017. Hopefully, I'll get a decent credit on the film.

These past three years working on big studio projects have taught me how important it is that I keep developing my more personal projects as well. After MLP, it's high time I start building The Saga of Rex Movie into a reality.


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Postby Soft Snow (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:21 pm

Most stories hardly define their magic in such ways. The whole purpose of using magic is to do something that would otherwise be impossible to explain. But my whole gripe is if Tempest can defeat the mane six without magic then anypony without magic can defeat them as well. Saying it would be impossible after that would just seem like lazy story telling to me.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:35 pm

Soft Snow wrote:Most stories hardly define their magic in such ways. The whole purpose of using magic is to do something that would otherwise be impossible to explain. But my whole gripe is if Tempest can defeat the mane six without magic then anypony without magic can defeat them as well. Saying it would be impossible after that would just seem like lazy story telling to me.
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From the trailer, it looks like Tempest kicks some kind of green, glowing rock into the ground, which subsequently breaks the ground beneath the Mane 6 and causes them to fall (and in true cartoon logic, the three ponies with wings don't remember they can fly and could just lift the other three).

Said green rock appears to be the same as the 'Misfortune Malchaite' that appears in the prequel comic for the movie, so Tempest evidently uses the magic stone to get the drop on the Mane six - she certainly doesn't need magic to do some high-agility combat moves on the fish guy.
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Postby Aramek (?) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:47 pm

She's powerful because she's big and pretty and full of hate. Like Sith Lord Starlight.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:10 am

Kronos wrote:
From the trailer, it looks like Tempest kicks some kind of green, glowing rock into the ground, which subsequently breaks the ground beneath the Mane 6 and causes them to fall (and in true cartoon logic, the three ponies with wings don't remember they can fly and could just lift the other three).

Said green rock appears to be the same as the 'Misfortune Malchaite' that appears in the prequel comic for the movie, so Tempest evidently uses the magic stone to get the drop on the Mane six - she certainly doesn't need magic to do some high-agility combat moves on the fish guy.


I am betting that is trailer trickery. She kicks the stone at something else, but they edited it to make it look like it went for the bridge.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:07 am

marshmallow wrote:The show doesn't like to explain details about its magic system, but if they really wanted to show an Earth pony fight unicorns they could explain how telekinesis and other magic can be resisted with a strong will. Earth ponies are magical too. I tend to assume this sort of logic is true of most generic magic settings, otherwise powerful wizards would just grab their enemies and slam them against the wall, instantly snap their neck, or stop their heart.


Chryssalis did pretty much that to Starlight; picked her up in TK and slammed her against a wall. It was surprisingly brutal for the show. Twilight's also shown the ability to hold dozens of ponies still against their wills. So I'd say the apparently rule for earth ponies and pegasi is "don't get in a fight with a powerful unicorn"
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Postby Dal (?) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:25 am

I hope Celestia at least gets to put up a fight before getting owned by what ever plot device they use this time. That thing has got to be quite a doozy to take the fight out of four alicorns, maybe Discord, and the Mane Six.
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Postby Dal (?) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:49 am

Also Broken Horn looks like she used to be a sea pony.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:03 am

Discord's not supposed to be in the movie, although that was confirmed by JDL himself and he thought he wasn't in season 7 and we all saw how that went.

Also the synopsis for one of the prequel books coming out suggests Tempest is originally from Equestria and that she was originally a good guy. Her heel turn probably involves whatever happened to her horn
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