S04E18: Maud Pie

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Re: S04E18: Maud Pie

Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:31 pm

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On the note of Rarity, that hat might be the most unfabulous thing she has ever worn.


Agreed. She seems to be the least well used character of the episode, considering how her own affinity (and cutie mark!) with particular types of rocks were completely and conveniently forgotten by the writers. They could at least have had the Maud/Rarity bonding scene be about metamorphic vs. sedimentary rocks (out digging in the field, Rarity praising some unearthed marvelous gem, and Maud preferring some dull... thing :wat:) or some such rather than a dish rag, which seemed lazy to me.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:33 pm

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At the same time, making your world class athlete the butt of a joke like that is just silly.


Eh. Being good at the track doesn’t mean you get to roll first for initiative every time.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:35 pm

I don't think I could take Kefka giving up Rarity. That is something that is unthinkable.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:36 pm

Too bad Spike didn't show up. I'm sure he would know a lot about rocks, considering his diet, but he was absent even from the library in this episode. I guess he knows to stay well away from Pinkie Pie.
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Postby Panboy (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:37 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:I don't think I could take Kefka giving up Rarity. That is something that is unthinkable.


Kefkas Rarity avatar on SA was what drew me to ponies in the first place, it would be a terrible blow to ponykind if he ever changed his best pony.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:42 pm

The Doctor wrote:At the same time, making your world class athlete the butt of a joke like that is just silly.


I don't think anyone was made the butt of anything. Neither Twilight nor Applejack got their jaws off the ground in time to do anything either.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:42 pm

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Postby RudeCyrus (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:47 pm

Tailspin wrote:Good episode.


The highest of praise from Tailspin! :-P
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Postby Watcher (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:52 pm

Panboy wrote:They have kinda run into a problem in the show were so many problems could be solved by a simple spell twilight could do in a second, So they kinda have to ignore the manesix at times in order to have anything interesting happen.


I always figured Twilight was more a wizard then a mage, if that makes sense. I always thought that the idea was that she can cast really powerful magic, but she has to be prepared in order to cast magic or at least have some idea on what was going to happen, so surprises catch her off guard. :pinkieshrug:


Anyway, on the topic of this episode, This episode was amazing and I loved every moment of it. I think this is the first time My Little pony got most, if not all of it's humor being dry humor. There is probably a dry humor joke hear and there, but this episode seamed centered on it and it was really worked wonders. I had a lot of feelings in this episode, from seeing the sadness Pinkie felt from her friends not hitting it off with her sister right away, to the awe at PONY DRILLS THE ROCK. Maud is really amazing, and I really enjoyed her character so much. In fact I enjoyed the episode a lot, and I think I'll be giving this one seven or eight rewatches :awesomedash:

I really can't bring myself to say much words on the subject, because most of them are variants of 'that was amazing', and 'oh boy oh boy oh boy', and 'can maud be a main character?!".

This was easily one of the best episodes in the season for me. I don't know if it's better or worse then the Rarity Manehatten episode, but they are both pretty close in my mind.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:53 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Behold the power of the earth pony:

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Is it a bad thing that I can't see this without hearing "ATATATATATATATATATA" in my head? :v:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:54 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Too bad Spike didn't show up. I'm sure he would know a lot about rocks, considering his diet, but he was absent even from the library in this episode. I guess he knows to stay well away from Pinkie Pie.


He would have fitted right in, if the Maud/Rarity bonding had been about gem finding. Rarity could have been appalled by the dullness of Maud’s found specimens, and Spike by their blandness.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:59 pm

I don't get the Rarity complaining. Her mark / core ability may be pretty gem finding, but that's not what she primarily perceives her talent to be, it's fashion. And they don't see eye to eye on that since Maud takes her too literally. :-I
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Furthermore, Pinkie had been telling Rarity about Maud apparently being interested in fashion, so she thought Maud would be more interested in that than in discussing gemstones.


Speaking of Pinkie, I think she came out really well in this episode, even if she was kind of the one who was in the wrong today. Everything she did had that proper feeling of sincerity to it, unlike some episodes where she's just being random and wacky for no reason.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:10 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I don't get the Rarity complaining. Her mark / core ability may be pretty gem finding, but that's not what she primarily perceives her talent to be, it's fashion. And they don't see eye to eye on that since Maud takes her too literally. :-I


She just says ‘no’ to metaphors.

Anyhoo, Rarity’s hat in the episode was not exactly a ringing endorsement of her fashion talent. If the point was clothes with rocks on them, she could have dragged out one of the ensembles made for The Pony of Pop. I partly blame Pinkie as she was the one to frame their interaction as being about fashion, whereas it easily could have been something else, such as Rarity’s absolute passion for the shiny. If the purpose had been to find common ground between them, gems had been a wiser choice by Maud’s kid sister.
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Postby Minty (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:11 pm

What would happen if Maud had a rock throwing contest with Big Macintosh? The apocalypse?
Maud's lack of showing enthusiasm hit close to home for me. I'm terrible at that sort of thing. It's easier on the internet where I can use a lot of capital letters and emotes. :yay:
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Postby InC (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:13 pm

First episode I watch without knowing anything beyond its name, and damn, I didn't expect a Pinkie Pie episode to turn out to be 22 minutes of dry humor. A nice change of pace, top tier just from "rocktorate in rock science" and "sediments make me sedimental" alone. Dad puns! :ponydrugs:


Image It doesn't talk. It's a dress.
:wat: Oh, yes, of course, I just [indescribable Tabitha noises]

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Preeeeetty sure that's just because her special talent is earthbending.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:19 pm

I want to see a Maud-Big Mac-Shining Armor throwing contest. :dreamworks:
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:21 pm

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Yep, we’re having fun, alright. Hoo, boy.
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Postby Swift (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:22 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I don't get the Rarity complaining. Her mark / core ability may be pretty gem finding, but that's not what she primarily perceives her talent to be, it's fashion. And they don't see eye to eye on that since Maud takes her too literally. :-I


I just think there's a missed opportunity there for a fun and humorous character interaction, and it's such an obvious connection between her and Maud. Rarity (1) loves gems, but (2) hates ordinary rocks*, so there's plenty of ways they could have taken advantage of this, and it is a bit odd to not have that aspect of her character acknowledged at least.

(This is kind of a nitpick, but it's also odd that Rarity would have difficulty keeping rocks attached to an article of clothing, since that's kinda what she got her cutie mark for, even if those were gemstones. :v: )

*See:

That doesn't mean there wasn't some great fashion-related humor though, particularly whatever that Tabitha noise is that Rarity makes in response to "It doesn't talk. It's a dress." :|
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:24 pm

Niels Olof wrote:Anyhoo, Rarity’s hat in the episode was not exactly a ringing endorsement of her fashion talent.

I would say this is sort of flanderizing her, but we've seen Rarity gets all atwitter about social stuff and overdoes her outfit a handful of times now - it's fine. :pinkieshrug:

^^ I suppose it's kind of a missed opportunity, but we had plenty of stuff to do here as it is - the resolution was close to being rushed. I was fine with the dishtowel joke for Rarity's interaction.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:25 pm

Owlicious: Who?

Maud: You.

O: Who?

Maud: You.

:yikes: Is he doing that AGAIN?


I wonder if anyone else thought of Chevy trucks when Maud said "Like a rock." :sheepish:

:bluh: Nah, we buy strictly Fords.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:40 pm

Wayoshi wrote:I would say this is sort of flanderizing her, but we’ve seen Rarity gets all atwitter about social stuff and overdoes her outfit a handful of times now - it’s fine. :pinkieshrug:


This was different, though. She has overdressed before, but this was both unfashionable and poor craftmareship, neither of which fits her character.
I see it more as a new writer not using (or being aware of) the history of these characters to shape the interaction between them.

^^ I suppose it’s kind of a missed opportunity, but we had plenty of stuff to do here as it is - the resolution was close to being rushed. I was fine with the dishtowel joke for Rarity’s interaction.


A gem scene had not needed to be longer than the scene at the Boutique.
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Postby Swift (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:46 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Is it a bad thing that I can't see this without hearing "ATATATATATATATATATA" in my head? :v:


I don't know, but either way you're not the only one. :v:

InC wrote:Preeeeetty sure that's just because her special talent is earthbending.


Either that, or she knows Fighting Type moves which are super effective against Rock. :smirk:

(Maud used Rock Smash! Image)

Niels Olof wrote:was both unfashionable and poor craftmareship


I just want to say that I love how we can use terms like this in the midst of serious character analysis/discussion without batting an eye. :gotcha: :lol:
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Postby Killing Vector (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:49 pm

So since I mentioned it on IRC a couple times, this shot is why I think they created a third sister for this episode rather than using one of the two from Cutie Mark Chronicles:

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This is way over the top for Maud, whose expressiveness seems to peak at the wry smile we saw in the photo in Pinkie Pride and at the end of this episode.


Oh yeah, I thought the episode itself was really good, and a character like Maud in pony world was hilarious. She did seem to be just starting to wear out her welcome for me by the end, though that may just be because she's going to be less fun in the more serious parts of an episode like the conclusion/lesson.
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Postby Heather Breckel (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:56 pm

I love dry humor, so I loved this episode! Too bad they didn't get Aubrey Plaza to voice Maud

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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:02 pm

Maud also ate a rock and didn't even fucking care.

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Postby Swift (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:07 pm

Star Platinum wrote:Also am I the only one getting sick of how Twilight constantly has to be the voice of reason in all these ensemble episodes? At this point I'm starting to be actively bothered by all the scenes where she explains some obvious aspect of friendship in a motherly voice while some mellow ~friendship is magic~ music plays. It's so boring! :offendash: I would accuse Tara of phoning it in if I didn't know better, but I think it's just the writing and the tone that too often seems to strip the character of any emotion or personality.


I noticed this here too, and I agree it would really be nice to see some of Twilight's old quirkiness return (the restaurant scene in Twilight Time was a nice example of this, even though that episode has a lot of the "restrained motherly lecturer"-type Twilight as well). I think she really needs a strong non-two-parter character focus episode this season, like Boast Busters, Winter Wrap-Up, and Lesson Zero. We had the Discord episode, but that was... a Discord episode really, and not at all a strong character-building episode for Twilight.

Heather Breckel wrote:I love dry humor, so I loved this episode! Too bad they didn't get Aubrey Plaza to voice Maud


Interestingly, Larson's original version of Luna in his draft for Luna Eclipsed was based on her Parks and Recreations character, before it was modified to include the Royal Canterlot Voice and her old-timey speech patterns. :spike101:

Oh hey, apparently that was Lauren's suggestion, reading through that again.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:17 pm

Killing Vector wrote:So since I mentioned it on IRC a couple times, this shot is why I think they created a third sister for this episode rather than using one of the two from Cutie Mark Chronicles:

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This is way over the top for Maud, whose expressiveness seems to peak at the wry smile we saw in the photo in Pinkie Pride and at the end of this episode.


Oh yeah, I thought the episode itself was really good, and a character like Maud in pony world was hilarious. She did seem to be just starting to wear out her welcome for me by the end, though that may just be because she's going to be less fun in the more serious parts of an episode like the conclusion/lesson.


But the picture from Pinkie Pride showed Maud smiling.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:25 pm

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Postby Killing Vector (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:37 pm

The Doctor wrote:But the picture from Pinkie Pride showed Maud smiling.

Yeah, I mentioned that (though looking again, it was wider than I gave it credit for). It was still a pretty restrained smile compared to anyone in that shot from CMC or for that matter the expressions on the other two in the Pinkie Pride photo.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:47 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:Hi, just make Maud the main character from now on, thanks.

They already have that show:

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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:06 pm

Oh my god. That episode was awesome and hilarious. Maude just made it onto my favorite character's list.

Almost everything she did made me laugh, especially the cider and nuclear rock ones (so nukes are canon in Equestria now eh? :awesomedash: ). I didn't even think of her being like Daria until now (and I watched that show).

Move over Emoshy, we've got a true emo now. :gotcha: (I can only imagine the amount of art of her as that we'll see.)

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Is it a bad thing that I can't see this without hearing "ATATATATATATATATATA" in my head? :v:

You know someone will make a video of it. :-P
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Postby Orange Fluffy Sheep (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:10 pm

Wildfire wrote:Move over Emoshy, we've got a true emo now. :gotcha: (I can only imagine the amount of art of her as that we'll see.)


She's not emo, though. That implies she has emotions.

She's stoic.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:17 pm

Niels Olof wrote:
Agreed. She seems to be the least well used character of the episode, considering how her own affinity (and cutie mark!) with particular types of rocks were completely and conveniently forgotten by the writers. They could at least have had the Maud/Rarity bonding scene be about metamorphic vs. sedimentary rocks (out digging in the field, Rarity praising some unearthed marvelous gem, and Maud preferring some dull... thing :wat:) or some such rather than a dish rag, which seemed lazy to me.


I think all of the negatives I have with this episode (and don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it) are that they went for gags rather than character. And the episode really was just 20 minutes of gags. They could have done something with Rarity and Maud, both having an affinity for rocks. Hell, if someone on the show wasn't gung-ho on the whole "Pinkie never invites Spike to anything" thing, I think this would have made a great stealth Spike episode with him and Maud becoming friends and discussing their favorite rock tastes.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:19 pm

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:21 pm

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:v: A German, a Trekkie and a Packers fan walk into a bar...
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:22 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:
Is it a bad thing that I can't see this without hearing "ATATATATATATATATATA" in my head? :v:


Nope. In fact, considering the potential connection between the Apple and Pie families, timberwolves means AJ has already hit an enemy so hard it exploded. Someone needs to upload a vid that replaces this scene's audio with Ai o Torimodose (or technically the shortened version).
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:47 pm

The Doctor wrote:
I think all of the negatives I have with this episode (and don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it) are that they went for gags rather than character. And the episode really was just 20 minutes of gags. They could have done something with Rarity and Maud, both having an affinity for rocks. Hell, if someone on the show wasn't gung-ho on the whole "Pinkie never invites Spike to anything" thing, I think this would have made a great stealth Spike episode with him and Maud becoming friends and discussing their favorite rock tastes.

I don't think it's fair to say that they just went for gags. Everything in the end, with Maud heading back home early and Pinkie having to accept that, and the others still finding common ground with Maud even if they couldn't make friends with her... there was a lot of emotional weight here.
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Postby Kamek (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:05 pm

That was a good episode.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:26 pm

Even if it was gag-driven, there was the entire dynamic of Pinkie trying to fit a square peg in a round hole socially, as well as the rest of the Mane 6 knowing Pinkie wouldn't taking it well and feeling bad afterwards.

(Also, the joke really never got old for me :pinkieshrug: )
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