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Re: S04E19: Trade Ya

Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:34 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:It sounds like you're getting upset more because of this fandom has done than because of what the people making the show have done. How do you think we've ruined the show? The most that Meghan and the gang have done are small references like what you're describing, and I honestly don't think they'll ever go farther than that.


I'm actually not upset at all.

I just commented on Headless' post. And his enthusiasm over what he thinks are fandom nods. Whether they are or aren't, doesn't matter, I said I'd rather they made none.

As for bronies ruining the show. Well the fact that people almost constatly talk about stupid bronies instead of the fact it's a good show. That the fandom made an entire documentary about itself, instead of the show. That a fandom that only exists by itself and only for itself is the only thing anyone ever talks about instead of the fact that there is a pretty damn good show. The fact that Hasbro makes more toys and board games that feature dumb backround ponies like Scratch and Hooves, instead of the canon characters. That bronies have gone out of their way to alienate old fans and to make all the previous generations as something to shun and make fun of at every moment. That's how "we" ruined the show.

And that fandom doesn't deserve even minor nods. It deserves to be ignored.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:40 am

I'm not sure how you read it as enthusiasm. I was just making a wry, semi-sarcastic comment based on a single screenshot.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:42 am

Tailspin wrote:
I'm actually not upset at all.

I just commented on Headless' post. And his enthusiasm over what he thinks are fandom nods. Whether they are or aren't, doesn't matter, I said I'd rather they made none.

As for bronies ruining the show. Well the fact that people almost constatly talk about stupid bronies instead of the fact it's a good show. That the fandom made an entire documentary about itself, instead of the show. That a fandom that only exists by itself and only for itself is the only thing anyone ever talks about instead of the fact that there is a pretty damn good show. The fact that Hasbro makes more toys and board games that feature dumb backround ponies like Scratch and Hooves, instead of the canon characters. That bronies have gone out of their way to alienate old fans and to make all the previous generations as something to shun and make fun of at every moment. That's how "we" ruined the show.

And that fandom doesn't deserve even minor nods. It deserves to be ignored.



I'm sensing lots of negative vibes here..... :starity:

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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:43 am

Headless Horse wrote:I'm not sure how you read it as enthusiasm. I was just making a wry, semi-sarcastic comment based on a single screenshot.


You're pretty enthusiactic about anything that happens related to this show and fandom because you like to analyse it. At least that's the feeling i get. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:46 am

I also like to poke fun at the act of reading ridiculously deeply into an episode of the show before we've seen more than the barest glimpses of it. :-P

Do I really think the show staff is making a fandom overture by depicting a nerd in a comic booth at a swap meet? Do you really have to ask?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:47 am

Tailspin wrote:
You're pretty enthusiactic about anything that happens related to this show and fandom because you like to analyse it. At least that's the feeling i get. :pinkieshrug:



Someone being positive & enthusiastic on the Internet!? WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO!? :twonk:


Complaining about people not hating a fanbase as much as you do, is just as bad as the fanbase doing crappy things IMO. :unenthused: Two negatives will not create a positive, and you can't control how others act without implanting computer chips in their brains that shock them when they act up.....but that would be immoral...Sooo...yeah.

But given Headless was just being silly and not serious I guess that makes the whole thing moot anyway. :v:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:49 am

Headless Horse wrote:Do I really think the show staff is making a fandom overture by depicting a nerd in a comic booth at a swap meet? Do you really have to ask?


I was actually commenting about fandom nods in general, across the whole show, which there have been quite a few. I did write "I'd rather they wouldn't".
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:53 am

Complaining about people not hating a fanbase as much as you do, is just as bad as the fanbase doing crappy things IMO. :unenthused: Two negatives will not create a positive, and you can't control how others act without implanting computer chips in their brains that shock them when they act up.....but that would be immoral...Sooo...yeah.

Well....... I would have to say that the less savory part of the fandom outweighs Tailspin's views quite a lot. Sure you can say Tailspin's comments are kinda also negative but in this case it's justified in that some actually act on it and create a more toxic environment in the fanbase.

I've personally seen some pretty worrisome things that the fandom's done that went unchecked over the two years now. I personally think it's sorta time that people try to roll back the unsavory part of the fandom that's grown and grown over time by talking about it and perhaps do something about it.
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Edit: There are ways to control the fandom just like how people are trying to clear up the air in gaming culture (i.e. shaming others) but I'm no expert on this so I'll just end here :-P
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:55 am

I'm actually not talking about the unsavory parts. I'm talking about the fandom as a whole. The bloated, egotistical brony fandom. That considers itself the best thing ever and has to shove itself everywhere and make itself heard. That's drowning out the show it claims to be fans of, so they are the only thing people talk about.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:00 am

Tailspin wrote:I'm actually not talking about the unsavory parts. I'm talking about the fandom as a whole. The bloated, egotistical brony fandom. That considers itself the best thing ever and has to shove itself everywhere and make itself heard. That's drowning out the show it claims to be fans of, so they are the only thing people talk about.


Well, regardless, even if outside perceptions are that the fans have swallowed the show, I don't think the show itself will ever became slave to the desires of the fans.

EDIT: I also just had a thought. The merchandise has always sucked, now it just sucks in a different way. Besides, we're at least getting some quality official plushies and show-accurate toys. I'd also throw the comics in there as merchandise that's well within the limits of remaining faithful to the spirit of the show, and that was commissioned by Hasbro specificially with older fans in mind.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:04 am

If it helps, anytime a Clop pic shows up on my TL I report it as spam.

Also, @tailspin it's not just a brony thing, the bloated Egotism is EVERYWHERE! It's a huge problem with nerd/Internet culture as a whole that really needs to be put on check.

I agree there's crappy bronies, but there's just as many if not more crappy anime fans, gamers, etc. Nerd culture has problems, and yes we should address & fight against them, but focusing only on them just isn't healthy.
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:09 am

Well...anyway, sorry to cut in, but obligatory episode screenshot fromThe Hub's Twitter:

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Wow, Twilight is actually being treated like an alicorn. I never would have expected that. That's so out-of-character for, like, the entire population of Equestria. :starity:
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:14 am

Rarietty wrote:Well...anyway, sorry to cut in, but obligatory episode screenshot fromThe Hub's Twitter:

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Wow, Twilight is actually being treated like an alicorn. I never would have expected that. That's so out-of-character for, like, the entire population of Equestria. :starity:


:crack: We kind of only noticed it now! Sorry, you know how it is.

:-I Sure thing!

Still, this is a cool picture. Doesn't matter if it took them a bit long to catch up with it, this is great.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:22 am

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Image Twilight Sparkle, congratulations!
:twiright: Finally, a little acknowledgement!
Image ...you're our one millionth customer!
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:24 am

Gee, I wonder who'll be getting all the favorable trade deals here.
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:31 am

It's dangerous to make assumptions on the basis of a single image but still, it feels quite stupid that people suddenly start to care about Twilight's princess status.

Also, somebody has quite interesting marketing gimmick (Discord's portrait on the roof of the booth)
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:33 am

Frith wrote:Also, somebody has quite interesting marketing gimmick (Discord's portrait on the roof)

That looks to be the lamp that he made after he knocked over Fluttershy's lamp back in KCaFO. Of course, I doubt Discord himself is selling them there.
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Postby Frith (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:38 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Of course, I doubt Discord himself is selling them there.

For some reason I wouldn't be surprised if he really is selling something there. :excellent:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:42 am

The ponies only care about Twy being A princess whrn it can benifit them financially....BG ponies are jerks. XD
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Postby AlliterativeAxolotl (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:45 am

:-/ And what are you selling here, you mischievous imp?

:excellent: Oh, nothing important, nothing groundbreaking, nothing worldshattering, really...

:excellent: Except for this wonderful assortment of Princess Twilight Sparkle fan articles, of course! You get the action figures, the cardboard cutouts, the scepters with the goofy grin, pictures of you taken while you were yawning or belching or taking a big bite out of a hayburger - with your signature on it, oh my - replicas of the dress you were wearing for the Grand Collapsing Gala, all the poems and short stories you wrote as a teenager in a wonderful little book, look, it's bound in the leather of multiple extinct species, too, isn't that a nice touch, and more and more and more!

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:53 am

AlliterativeAxolotl wrote:Grand Collapsing Gala


Now look what you've done, you've guaranteed they'll never use this phrase in the actual show, which is a travesty. :-/
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:54 am

Tailspin wrote:That bronies have gone out of their way to alienate old fans and to make all the previous generations as something to shun and make fun of at every moment.

To be fair, this is entirely deserved.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:32 am

I hope Discord doesn't show up. I don't really like the idea of him being that kinda character who just shows up whenever because it's an ensemble episode and they couldn't think of anything better for Twilight to do. :-/
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:54 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:The ponies only care about Twy being A princess whrn it can benifit them financially....BG ponies are jerks. XD


To be fair, this is also why Hasbro cares about Twy being a princess. :-I
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:16 am

Rarietty wrote:Image


:-I "I'm Princess Twilight, and this is my favorite booth at the swap meet!"


:angry: "Oh sure, when you're not the Element of Honesty it's easy to be a shill."
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Postby Stuff (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:57 am

They don't make those episode titles like they used to. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Chaos Sonic (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:59 am

Wayoshi wrote:To be fair, this is entirely deserved.

Wait, I'm not sure I'm reading this right. Are you saying the older fans and generations deserve to be alienated and made fun of, respectively?
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:10 am

The Outlander wrote:I'd also throw the comics in there as merchandise that's well within the limits of remaining faithful to the spirit of the show, and that was commissioned by Hasbro specificially with older fans in mind.


I disagree, in my opinion the comics completly miss the spirit of the show. Especially with how oversaturated they are with pop-culture and fandom referances. I pretty much gave up on reading them as the only one I liked was the Pinkie Micro.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:50 am

Wonkadoo wrote:
To be fair, this is also why Hasbro cares about Twy being a princess. :-I


Lol, very True. :gotcha:


@Tailspin: To be fair it's mostly the price/cook books that are heavy on pop culture stuff & what not, the others are far more tame in that area, and it's stuff like that isn't exclusive to pony comics, hell an issue of Spider-Man Blatently inserted the Big Bang Theory cast in a panal of a group of random New York Citizens.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:15 pm

Wait, I think I missed a step in the logic here. How is a comic book stand at a flea market indicative of fandom pandering?
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:17 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:@Tailspin: To be fair it's mostly the price/cook books that are heavy on pop culture stuff & what not, the others are far more tame in that area, and it's stuff like that isn't exclusive to pony comics, hell an issue of Spider-Man Blatently inserted the Big Bang Theory cast in a panal of a group of random New York Citizens.


That's not my only problem. The artsyle doesn't fit at all, is too visually dark compared to the more vibrant colors of the actual show and at times grotesque. The plots themselves are a mess. The Nightmare Rarity arc is a complete dissaster, to the point that I, to this day, still don't know what was happening in it. The Big Mac one was boring. The Chrissy one dragged the plot out and then ended with a completly rushed ending. It's meh at best. Of the micro's the only one worth reading is Pinkie, maybe Rarity.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:34 pm

Tailspin wrote:
That's not my only problem. The artsyle doesn't fit at all, is too visually dark compared to the more vibrant colors of the actual show and at times grotesque. The plots themselves are a mess. The Nightmare Rarity arc is a complete dissaster, to the point that I, to this day, still don't know what was happening in it. The Big Mac one was boring. The Chrissy one dragged the plot out and then ended with a completly rushed ending. It's meh at best. Of the micro's the only one worth reading is Pinkie, maybe Rarity.



Well to each their own I guess, can't say I agree with a single thing in your post, but I know it would be pointless to try to change that opinion. :pinkieshrug:

More comics for the rest of us then! :party:


@lurker: I think it was more the Very Brief Bioshock reference TS & others were pointing out as pandering, not the comic stand.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:57 pm

I know absolutely nothing about Bioshock or comic conventions so it doesn't seem like pandering at all. In fact, this seems more like a creative storyline that can provide some good and funny moments to me. Not everything in the show is pandering and it could just be the writers having fun. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Sobana (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:06 pm

This episode got pushed back for Littlest Pet Shop's season final. I hope it was worth it... I'll be watching the episode later tonight... No spoilers... Thanks... :geno:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:12 pm

If you don't want spoilers then don't come into this thread after it airs.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:31 pm

Man, Rainbow Falls sure is beautiful...I love that design. :allears:

Also, it looks like Twilight's princessness has finally been acknowledged. Cool.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:31 pm

What an archaic law... meh. :-P
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Postby Aramek (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:31 pm

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Postby drunkill (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:32 pm

WELCOME PRINCESS TWILIG


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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:32 pm

Princess duties! Good for you, Twilight!

Also, Rainbow Falls is awesome. Visually, I've always liked it a lot.
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