S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

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S04E25-26: Twilight's Kingdom

Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 3:00 pm

Part 1: When a villain escapes Tartarus, Princess Celestia chooses Discord to help track him down instead of Princess Twilight. Meanwhile, prompted to prove that she has an important role to play, Twilight turns her focus to opening the Tree of Harmony chest.

Part 2: In order to protect their magic, as well as the fate of Equestria, Princess Celestia, Princess Luna, and Princess Cadance transfer all of their magical power to Twilight.


This thread is for discussion of this 2-parter. The episode airs at 10:00 AM Eastern / 7:00 AM Pacific on Saturday, May 10!

Official preview clips and images are okay to post, as is speculation about the episode.

Writer: Meghan McCarthy

This thread is up a bit early since, hey, it's the finale, and we have some stuff already released. :gumout: right now if you don't want to be spoiled at all until Saturday.

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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 3:35 pm

I'm actually really excited for this one (though not for the season to be over but that's the way the world works)

So yeah bring on the finale, and get your best funeral-wear on because treebrary we hardly knew you
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Postby Octavia (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 4:06 pm

THE PONYLESS SUMMER IS NEARLY UPON US :gonkity:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 4:46 pm

Episode 1 sounds very neat Episode 2 sounds like more marginalizing of other characters so Twilight alone can save the day again.

Really wish Meghan would take a cue from the comics on how to use Celestia and Luna without just having them get kidnapped or taken out. It's getting old.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:12 pm

Judging from the Hub's ads, where they mention that Twilight has to deal with being a hero, it kind of sounds like this episode will actually address the issue of how she was getting used like that. Maybe once the other three dump all their power into Twilight, instead of using it all for herself she distributes 5/6 of it to her friends, causing the rainbowification.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:15 pm

Time to go into this one blind. :-I
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:30 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Judging from the Hub's ads, where they mention that Twilight has to deal with being a hero, it kind of sounds like this episode will actually address the issue of how she was getting used like that. Maybe once the other three dump all their power into Twilight, instead of using it all for herself she distributes 5/6 of it to her friends, causing the rainbowification.


Yeah I'm totally predicting it'll be the Mane 6 as a group that will save the day in this one, but I'd never considered the possibility that Twi won't be able to handle so much power so she distributes it amongst her friends.

And then they all become alicorns, form a new empire and soon take over Equestria.

:twiright: :allears: :shenanigans: :twasnothin: :vogue: :3: "As nature intended"
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Postby Star Platinum (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:33 pm

Oh, it's Ruined Forever day again already? How time flies. :-I

Part 1 sounds cool, part 2 less so, and I don't like the implications of some of the spoilers I've seen. But that's more of a worry for season 5. I don't like the Twilight Sparkle Show as much as FiM, but this should still be decent fun.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:34 pm

DerFurShur wrote:
Yeah I'm totally predicting it'll be the Mane 6 as a group that will save the day in this one, but I'd never considered the possibility that Twi won't be able to handle so much power so she distributes it amongst her friends.

And then they all become alicorns, form a new empire and soon take over Equestria.

:twiright: :allears: :shenanigans: :twasnothin: :vogue: :3: "As nature intended"



No...Don't even joke about the Alicorn thing, that's like Armageddon to some fans, including me. Heck I'm glad Rainbow Power is a thing, means you don't have to curse the rest of the mane six with gaudy decked out horned & winged bodies.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:35 pm

DerFurShur wrote:
Yeah I'm totally predicting it'll be the Mane 6 as a group that will save the day in this one, but I'd never considered the possibility that Twi won't be able to handle so much power so she distributes it amongst her friends.

And then they all become alicorns, form a new empire and soon take over Equestria.

:twiright: :allears: :shenanigans: :twasnothin: :vogue: :3: "As nature intended"

I don't think the issue is that she can't handle the power so much as she doesn't want to handle it herself. If they do bring up Twilight's separation from her friends like this then I will be very happy, likely happy enough to forgive her (relative lack of) usage in this entire past season.


Also, I'm actually rather surprised at how we still don't know what's going to happen in the finale. Last year, the news of Twilight growing wings had been confirmed back in January, dumping the ending right there out in the open. However, this year we know that there'll be a fancy-ass new castle at some point, know that a guy who may or may not be Tirek is going to show up, and we think the Rainbow Power will be involved somehow, but that's about it.
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:42 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

No...Don't even joke about the Alicorn thing, that's like Armageddon to some fans, including me. Heck I'm glad Rainbow Power is a thing, means you don't have to curse the rest of the mane six with gaudy decked out horned & winged bodies.
Not to mention the fact that some of them, namely Applejack, would likely be unhappy getting a horn and wings. She really likes how she does things and I think that if she got a horn and wings, it could invalidate her way of life.



Anyways, I'm gonna stay hopeful on this. From the synopses there I sure hope the rest of the Mane 6 get as much of a role as Twilight, and do more to resolve the plot overall than her. They sure aren't doing much to disprove Twi as a Mary Sue, at least ability wise with these synopses. I mean really. (Note: I don't actually think Twi IS one, just in case anyone wants to jump down my throat about that)
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:44 pm

Yeah, AJ is earth pony proud.

But yea, Rainbow Power is a good replacement for EOH IMO.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:45 pm

Maybe the old castle could be like the Batcave or a phone booth for Superman...they have to go there to turn into Rainbow Ponies. :yay:

:-/ To the Pony castle, Spike! *she and Spike slide down two poles*
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:48 pm

PonyHag714 wrote: :-/ To the Pony castle, Spike! *she and Spike slide down poles in a closet*

Speaking of him, what are the chances that Spike will have an appreciable role here? I know he's gotten a fair number of appearances alongside the Mane Six and their adventures this season, including in the premiere, though he didn't do much in them. I doubt he will be involved with the Rainbow Power at all, if only because there are no rainbowified toys of him coming out of Hasbro.
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Postby Caldera (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:50 pm

Octavia wrote:THE PONYLESS SUMMER IS NEARLY UPON US :gonkity:

Man, in hindsight it feels like it went by so soon. I guess it always does.

Either way, let's go rainbow power! :party:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:55 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Speaking of him, what are the chances that Spike will have an appreciable role here? I know he's gotten a fair number of appearances alongside the Mane Six and their adventures this season, including in the premiere, though he didn't do much in them. I doubt he will be involved with the Rainbow Power at all, if only because there are no rainbowified toys of him coming out of Hasbro.


A home run for me would be where the final key actually falls to Spike, as unlikely as that is to happen. We may see something happen that will set him up for an larger role in S5.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:00 pm

DerFurShur wrote:
Yeah I'm totally predicting it'll be the Mane 6 as a group that will save the day in this one, but I'd never considered the possibility that Twi won't be able to handle so much power so she distributes it amongst her friends.

And then they all become alicorns, form a new empire and soon take over Equestria.

:twiright: :allears: :shenanigans: :twasnothin: :vogue: :3: "As nature intended"


I hope so. Bad enough they're having the three other Princesses taken out again, but I would really like at least for the other 5 to help and make the victory a team thing like the S1 ans S2 openings and less like every other two parter since.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:16 pm

I can deal with things because Not-Tirek who is totally going to be actually Tirek is going to make it all worth it.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:22 pm

I wonder how evil he'll be. We know he's coming straight out of Tartarus, so I'm expecting him to be at least as evil as Chrysalis was in the comics.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:24 pm

I'm expecting him to want ponies for his chariot :-I
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Postby Dal (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:25 pm

Yup, the whole superpowered Twilight thing is just a vehicle to reinforce the theme from PTS. We will get some cool scenes with her amped magic, but in the end, it's going to be her and her friends who save the day--not brute magical power.

I also think that this is the episode where they will finally realize that the Elements were just a crutch, and the real magic was within themselves. Which I guess they have in a way with the key episodes and all.

Fizzbuzz wrote:I wonder how evil he'll be. We know he's coming straight out of Tartarus, so I'm expecting him to be at least as evil as Chrysalis was in the comics.


Going to go with pretty fucking evil on this one.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:45 pm

definatly cant wait for this one! :awesomedash:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 7:00 pm

Don't let us down DHX. You've delivered all season, now it's the bottom of the 9th, tie game, bases loaded in Game 7 of the World Series. Time to hit a grand slam. :awesomedash:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 7:47 pm

Angel Beat wrote:Time to go into this one blind. :-I

This. I've been averting my eyes from the spoiler thread since the trailers started dropping, and it sounds like I was lucky to miss this week's episode with the preview.

FIVE MORE DAYS :twonk:
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Postby Applepie (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 8:07 pm

Let the countdown begin! :yay:
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 8:58 pm

I'm stoked. I've always been a sucker for the epic two-parters (and especially the ones Meghan has done). So I have no qualms predicting that I'm gonna love, love, love this one to bits. :awesomedash:

Having said that, I kind of want to stay somewhat spoiler-free on this one. So I guess I'll just bid this thread adieu until Saturday.

Get hype folks! :allears:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 9:46 pm

Hopefully I'll be able to watch this on TV on Saturday. The last episode I was able to do so was Rarity Takes Manehattan.
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Postby Dilbert As Fuck (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:04 pm

So yeah if anyone is interested spoilers below:
Mod Edit: This was a huge spoiler outside of the spoiler thread, don't do that! :unenthused:
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Postby Zuzie (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:15 pm

I've got the feeling that something major is going to happen to Celestia. Either she's going to be "killed of" (or something close to that in a show where death is never mentioned...) or she's going to be de-powered once the whole ordeal is over. Luna and Cadence might also be affected, but it might not even be as severe.

I'm mostly saying this because it seems like Meghan really doesn't know what to do with Celestia as a character. She's been having less and less relevance in season 4 and Meghan probably wants her out of the show entirely.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:25 pm

I don't think Meghan would get rid of Celestia just because she has little idea how to use her. A part of me thinks it might happen since otherwise there wouldn't be much point to this Rainbow Kingdom business that's been brought up, as right now there's really not much reason for Equestria's leadership to be shaken up like that.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:35 pm

Dilbert As Fuck wrote:I don't know if this forum has toxx but I'm getting off the ride anyway, S5 will most likely be S1 redux.


i haven't read the spoiler, will there be a reboot of the series where a pegasus from Cloudsdale likes flying more than friendship and Celestia boots her out of the clouds to live with some uncouth earth ponies in Appleloosa or something?


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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:38 pm

I'd like to think that even Meghan would have made sure Celestia got an episode this season if she was going to get rid of her, or drastically change her.
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Postby Dilbert As Fuck (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:41 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:
i haven't read the spoiler, will there be a reboot of the series where a pegasus from Cloudsdale likes flying more than friendship and Celestia boots her out of the clouds to live with some uncouth earth ponies in Appleloosa or something?


:gotcha:

I can't say anything because I was informed this is not the right subforum.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 11:43 pm

All hail King Twilight! :-I
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue May 06, 2014 12:06 am

Also, these "spoilers" seem to have come solely from Dilbert As Fuck, and nobody else is talking about them. So take their absence with a grain of salt.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue May 06, 2014 12:09 am

Mechanical Ape wrote:All hail King Twilight! :-I


That reminds me, where in the pit are the King and Queen if Celestia's still a Princess? :-I
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Postby Dal (?) » Tue May 06, 2014 12:59 am

Zuzie wrote:I've got the feeling that something major is going to happen to Celestia. Either she's going to be "killed of" (or something close to that in a show where death is never mentioned...) or she's going to be de-powered once the whole ordeal is over. Luna and Cadence might also be affected, but it might not even be as severe.

I'm mostly saying this because it seems like Meghan really doesn't know what to do with Celestia as a character. She's been having less and less relevance in season 4 and Meghan probably wants her out of the show entirely.


Despite how cliché it sounds, if something like this was to happen, the show would be ruined for me.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue May 06, 2014 1:03 am

I don't think Celestia is going anywhere. If anything, she'll just be in the background, like this season. (Which I would prefer doesn't keep happening, though.)
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Postby Dal (?) » Tue May 06, 2014 1:12 am

ShieldedDiamond wrote:I don't think Celestia is going anywhere. If anything, she'll just be in the background, like this season. (Which I would prefer doesn't keep happening, though.)


Ya, I'm fairly certain this is what's going to happen. A shame really, especially when you consider what the comics and even fan fiction has done with her.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue May 06, 2014 1:14 am

Dal wrote:
Ya, I'm fairly certain this is what's going to happen. A shame really, especially when you consider what the comics and even fan fiction has done with her.


But at least we'll get to speculate as to what new an innovative ways Meghan will marginalize her in the S5 premiere. :roll:

:awesomedash: And thankfully we have the current comic arc, which has been fantastic for the Sun Princess so far.
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