S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

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Re: S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:17 pm

Brian's voice was obviously sped-up in post. I wanna hear how he sounds when slowed down to normal speed.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:17 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Sooooooo, why did the other Breezies want to stay with Fluts when they had families to return to? Just plain stupidity? I think there's a bit of a plot hole here...


At first I guessed they were deliberately trying to miss their deadline, because Breezies back home are assholes and they didn't want to go there. Instead I think we're supposed to understand that Fluttershy is just that good at pampering her guests. It wasn't clear at first, but I suspect it wasn't meant to be: the audience is supposed to grasp the real problem around the same time Fluts does.

Personally I loved this one from start to finish. :yay: Mane Six Breezies is obviously a toy mandate, but I'm a sucker for helium voices so I ended up loving that too.
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Postby TheNegaverser (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:17 pm

I've always appreciated the DHX team's ability to take the toy inserts and integrate them seamlessly into the narratives of the episodes. And considering this whole show is just one big advert, I'd say that they do a damn fine job of it.

Unfortunately, this time was something of a miss. As a whole, the episode had a ton of great moments, and I enjoyed it immensely. I felt that the Breezies themselves were handled extremely well, what with their own language and Scandinavian accents. But the transformation thing was just a shade too...odd...for my comfort. I don't know quite why. It just rubbed me the wrong way a bit. Oh well.

Overall, an extremely sweet and fun episode, somewhat spoiled by a slightly bitter aftertaste.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:17 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Sooooooo, why did the other Breezies want to stay with Fluts when they had families to return to? Just plain stupidity? I think there's a bit of a plot hole here.

Is it that hard to think that they'd want to be with Fluttershy? Her kindness, and a life of apparent luxury in Equestria, versus Sea Breeze berating and heckling them all the way back to their (plain, by their standards) home... I can understand it.


Also, I somehow doubt the breezified Mane Six were that much of a toy tie-in. Compared to their natural forms, I can't quite understand why Hasbro would think kids would find them appealing. (At least the EqG characters were ostensibly human. Pity that movie completely poisoned the well as far as this episode's transformation went...)
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:19 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:I liked how Flutters checked unerneath her hoof so nonchalantly when Seabreeze was missing. :amazing:



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Postby Discord (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:20 pm

Perpetual Lurker wrote:Man, what is it with this season and great one-shot characters? Like, if Sea Breeze wasn't a tiny squeaky Swedish fairy horse, he'd probably be one of the most mature and realistic characters the show has given us so far. He's surrounded by people that get on his nerves, and their procrastination almost destroys his chance to get home and return to his wife and child. Despite him learning about kindness, his anger and harshness was completely understandable given the situation, as was his attempt to get home alone despite the great risk to his life.


Personally, I think that him being a tiny Swedish fairy horse makes him more awesome in some ways. :yay:

And they did explain that they didn't have enough Breezies to handle the strong breeze in the dialogue. But that wasn't the most convincing of explanations to make that transformation necessary, so it was still kind of weird.

Also, I somehow doubt the breezified Mane Six were that much of a toy tie-in. Compared to their natural forms, I can't quite understand why Hasbro would think kids would find them appealing. (At least the EqG characters were ostensibly human. Pity that movie completely poisoned the well as far as this episode's transformation went...)


Hasbro isn't exactly flawless was far as toy evaluation is concerned. Ultimately, it is probably for the same reason that they did EqG- they see the best way to sell a new line of toys is by turning the amazing characters all the little girls lovee into whatever the toy-line is, as opposed to trying to get them to care more about newer characters :pinkieshrug:

It also just felt off from a narrative standpoint, which contributes to that sense.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:20 pm

Sea Breeze is A very pretty man. :v:

Seriously I thought he was a she till Flutes started refering to her, I mean him as a he.

But yea, fun ep.

Also between Flutterbat & Breezie Mane six, Twy really likes changing her friends forms...Twy is best mad scientist! Also I now want to see dash as A griffon &/or dragon. XD
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:22 pm

I actually thought the transformation bit helped make up for what was, for lack of a better term, a 'boring' episode for me. It was a simple, gentle little tale (I think my wife would like this episode) of letting go and not pampering, with some light humor, cute creatures and a Scandinavian Breezie :smirk:

They could have ended it when Fluttershy sent them out the door, but by becoming and accompanying the Breezies on the way home, we actually saw that the fragile little guys really did have quite the journey, but that it was worth it in the end. Sea Breeze got to apologize for being so tough and Fluttershy got a proper goodbye and to see why her choice was good.

Mandate or not, I found the transformation bit fun, but then I've always had a thing for transforming cartoon characters since the turtles so, ah well. I liked the ending joke. I'd totally see Dash making the gag too. I hope she keeps bugging her till Twilight finally gives in and she immediately regrets the consequences :v:

With regards to the Breezies reluctance to go home to see their families, I actually see this all the time and experience it. You know in your head that you have to do something difficult, and if anyone pinned you down you'd say the reward is more important than the pleasure of what you are doing now, but in the moment you don't think about that. It's one of those basic lessons you teach kids but people seem to forget.

The breezies were cute (who else was reminded of Smurfs?),


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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:22 pm

Aramek wrote:Holy fuck, Dash. Best ending line ever. :ponydrugs:

I would have thought you wouldn't be happy with Dash having transformation fantasies, like she's some kind of Janimal. :v:

It had some good jokes, and the lesson seems good, but the pacing felt really off. It felt like all the resolution was crammed into a really short space of time, while the other key episodes had a longer gap between the character's realization and them inspiring someone else. Fluttershy doesn't lose her element in the same way that the others did, which is a shame, as I was looking forward to see how they'd handle that without it feeling like a repeat of Putting Your Hoof Down.

Also, as mentioned, the mane 6 transformations were horrifying. I know that the transformation had been suspected since the title was revealed, but I think a tiny version of themselves with wings rather than the breezie shape would probably have looked better. I mean, that might not be as toyetic, but if the mane 6 breezie toys are show-accurate... I don't know how many will buy them anyway. :nngh:

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:23 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:Is it that hard to think that they'd want to be with Fluttershy? Her kindness, and a life of apparent luxury in Equestria, versus Sea Breeze berating and heckling them all the way back to their (plain, by their standards) home... I can understand it.

If any of them had families like Sea Breeze, then they're still total dicks. :pinkieshrug: Even then, separating from your entire culture seems odd just for one mean Breezie. I mean, I get at first them wanting to stick around, but not quite so when things were getting dire.

Also, if it was just Fluts guiding them [as a Breezie], I don't think it would have been as weird as all the Mane 6 chillin' too.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:23 pm

I think the big problem was the stuff in Fluttershy's cottage. Time needed to pass because that's what the plot required, but the episode didn't have anything in particular to happen during that time.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:24 pm

Be a sport, Twi...turn Dash into a griffon, and we have an excuse to have Gilda in an episode again. :rage:
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:24 pm

A few more things.

It looks like those Breezies were trained by Discord well :excellent:
Spike I am disapoint. :butwhy:

So now we've had Flutterhulk, Flutterbat, Flutterguy, Flutterbee, and Flutterbreezie in S4. what's next?
:saddershy: What's wrong with just plain old me?

Hasbro needs to make a set of the S4 Fluttershy variants.

Overall it was very good episode.
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Postby Supersonic Shine (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:24 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Brian Drummond.

Oh wow, he was one of the previous voices for Sonic the Hedgehog. It's kind of funny, seeing that Sea Breeze is kind of a hard-ass, while Sonic's famous for his free-wheeling attitude.
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Postby ilcane87 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:25 pm

Supersonic Shine wrote:Oh wow, he was one of the previous voices for Sonic the Hedgehog. It's kind of funny, seeing that Sea Breeze is kind of a hard-ass, while Sonic's famous for his free-wheeling attitude.

You're thinking Ryan, not Brian. :-P
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Postby Supersonic Shine (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:27 pm

Oh, whoops. However, Brian Drummond voiced Vegeta, so that's still hilarious, because Vegeta was also a small man and a huge grump.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:27 pm

Wonkadoo wrote:I think the big problem was the stuff in Fluttershy's cottage. Time needed to pass because that's what the plot required, but the episode didn't have anything in particular to happen during that time.

Actually, I thought this was pretty optimal pacing. The problem was set up with some organic character jokes and didn't take long (Act I), Sea Breeze is established as an impatient jerk who can't really communicate (Act II) with Fluts overindulging too, then in Act III Fluts shows off what really should they done, they both come to an understanding, do the right thing, and go home. There's some padding to see their home because :toys: , but it's nice and not rushed at all.

A lot of harsh words came out during that "nothing" time that effectively filled it in.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:28 pm

Discord wrote:And they did explain that they didn't have enough Breezies to handle the strong breeze in the dialogue. But that wasn't the most convincing of explanations to make that transformation necessary, so it was still kind of weird.


The solution I thought they were building toward was to replace one of the pegasi with the more gently-wingpowered Fluttershy, so that once again in this episode (and in kind of a reversal of Hurricane Fluttershy) her delicateness lets her accomplish a task that most ponies can't.

Really appreciate that Spike's mistake was addressed by Spike and the other ponies. There are no guilty secrets and no hard feelings and everyone's okay. Thanks for remembering, Natasha Levinger. :allears:

Love how outrageously fragile the Breezies are, but they can still swear up a storm apparently. :lol:
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Postby SpaceHowitzer (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:32 pm

Did anyone else thing the wing animation looked odd on the pegasi in the later scenes? It just seemed to have more articulation.
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Postby Rarietty (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:32 pm

I loved the route they took for this episode. I was not looking forward to this episode at all because I assumed that it would be another "Fluttershy is a doormat who can't speak up for herself" sort of plot and that the Breezies would be predictable jerks, but to my surprise this episode greatly broke my expectations.

Fluttershy was definitely why this episode is a standout for me. I love what they're doing with her character this season, and how the writers are showcasing how her character development has changed her. This season has also shown spectacular writing for the key giving characters (Cheese Sandwich, Coco Pommel, The Wonderbolts), and Sea Breeze is no expectation. He was very maturely written and I like how it was implied that the reason he was so distraught by the rest of the Breezies was because he wanted to get back to his family, and he even ran away to get back to them, which was insanely adorable.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:32 pm

That was a interesting episode to say the least. After the the structure of the last 3 key episodes I was expecting Fluttershy's to be similar to PYHD, she gets pushed into being mean by someone, hurts her friends, then realizes/remembers that kindness is good and teaches that to the guest character of the episode. I like that in this one it wasn't about losing touch with her element but embracing it so much that it became harmful to her and the people she was trying to help. I also think the Breezy transformation was awesome and adorable, Hasbro mandate or not.
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Postby acksed (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:32 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:The solution I thought they were building toward was to replace one of the pegasi with the more gently-wingpowered Fluttershy, so that once again in this episode (and in kind of a reversal of Hurricane Fluttershy) her delicateness lets her accomplish a task that most ponies can't.

Personally, I thought they'd hitch a ride on Fluttershy.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:34 pm

If Twy can do species magic, why not help A lil bro out & turn Spike into A Studly Stallion so he can win over Rarity!? XD

Or at least give the lil guy some dragon wings for petes sake!
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:37 pm

Given T-Sparx' track record, I'd be terrified of letting her cast any shapeshift magic on me. :nnngh:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:38 pm

I thought it was pretty cool how Dashie seemed to be able to "fine tune" her wing movements, presumably to achieve the effect they were looking for to help the Breezies.
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Postby fenster (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:40 pm

Ransom wrote:I actually thought the transformation bit helped make up for what was, for lack of a better term, a 'boring' episode for me. It was a simple, gentle little tale (I think my wife would like this episode) of letting go and not pampering, with some light humor, cute creatures and a Scandinavian Breezie :smirk:


Yeah this is basically what I thought as well. It was an alright/sweet episode that hit all the usual marks it should from an worbuild-y/advenure-y angle, but nothing "stood out" especially, then the ending comes in and what I expected was going to be Twilight fixing everything with her magic turned into a delightfully weird transformation sequence. If it wasn't for the fact that it was almost assuredly a toy-tie-in, I'd praise it as a nice adventure-y change of pace; as is, it was a bit out of left field but I liked it well enough, but seeing an immediate toy afterwards will soil it for me as more obvious Hasbro Marketing Mandates.

Even so, it still felt like a good episode. Not one of the best Like Filli Vanilli, but still nice and cute and didn't go with a super typical lesson for Fluttershy which is nice.

Though to be honest, I'm not a fan of the animation of the Breezies you see in the second half where they float around without flapping their wings. It doesn't look horrible per say, but it's just Biologically weird and feels like it has some lame in world explanation of "magic".
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:43 pm

fenster wrote:Even so, it still felt like a good episode. Not one of the best Like Filli Vanilli, but still nice and cute and didn't go with a super typical lesson for Fluttershy which is nice.

That's about where I am. It's like A Bird in the Hoof. Not the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of Fluttershy episodes, but still good and largely underrated.

MochaBean wrote:Given T-Sparx' track record, I'd be terrified of letting her cast any shapeshift magic on me. :nnngh:

She'd never do that to her number one assistant. I mean, what if something went wrong and she actually had to serve and wait on Spike until he recovered?

But really, if they ever did do a "Spike turns into a pony" episode, that would make for a good story (kind of a mashup of Dragon Quest and Simple Ways). It'd just be hard to justify in-universe.
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Postby fenster (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:47 pm

Rarietty wrote:
Fluttershy was definitely why this episode is a standout for me. I love what they're doing with her character this season, and how the writers are showcasing how her character development has changed her. This season has also shown spectacular writing for the key giving characters (Cheese Sandwich, Coco Pommel, The Wonderbolts), and Sea Breeze is no expectation. He was very maturely written and I like how it was implied that the reason he was so distraught by the rest of the Breezies was because he wanted to get back to his family, and he even ran away to get back to them, which was insanely adorable.


I just want to quote this because I really think this is spot on, and I agree with all points.

As for this season, not only has it been spot on with handling the Mane6 characters in different ways, but as you said the side characters (Cheese, Sea Breeze, Coco) to go along with keys have all been very nicely done, questionable characterization of Wonderbolts aside.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:49 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:That's about where I am. It's like A Bird in the Hoof. Not the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of Fluttershy episodes, but still good and largely underrated.


She'd never do that to her number one assistant. I mean, what if something went wrong and she actually had to serve and wait on Spike until he recovered?

But really, if they ever did do a "Spike turns into a pony" episode, that would make for a good story (kind of a mashup of Dragon Quest and Simple Ways). It'd just be hard to justify in-universe.




How would it be hard to Justify? It's not any more difficult to justify then any other crazy transformation a character in this or any other cartoon goes through.

Plus maybe spike would feel better about being a dragon after having to live without hands for a day or two. :gotcha:


:eep: Hooves, horrid things, how do you ponies stand it!? Not having hands!? I am never doing that again!!!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:50 pm

Yeah, that would be an excellent episode and I hope it happens one day.
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Postby Eshe (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:51 pm

I tried watching the episode live for the first time today, instead of online, but I couldn't find it on TV. :fluttersmith: Which channel do Canadians catch it on? Supposedly Treehouse, but they didn't play it, according to their schedule.

Really excited to see it. Sounds like an episode I will adore.
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Postby Pretorius (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:53 pm

Mechanical Ape wrote:The solution I thought they were building toward was to replace one of the pegasi with the more gently-wingpowered Fluttershy, so that once again in this episode (and in kind of a reversal of Hurricane Fluttershy) her delicateness lets her accomplish a task that most ponies can't.


But Dash (and apparently those other two) is a trained weather-control professional. :v: Fluttershy may be gentle, but she's had no experience at breeze direction. That's my half-assed explanation and I'm sticking to it.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:53 pm

Eshe wrote:Which channel do Canadians catch it on? Supposedly Treehouse, but they didn't play it, according to their schedule.

I think it is Treehouse, but don't they air new episodes weeks/months after US airing?
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Postby Venusy (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:54 pm

I kind of wish we'd been able to have closed captions on the stream for the breezie language subtitles. :lol:
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Really excited to see it. Sounds like an episode I will adore.

I don't think Treehouse airs the episodes as the Hub does, I think they're a bit behind. Checking local listings, they're showing Keep Calm and Flutter On next Sunday.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:55 pm

Venusy wrote:I kind of wish we'd been able to have closed captions on the stream for the breezie language subtitles. :lol:

I just realized that this episode is going to be a fucking goldmine for the YouTube CC thread. :starity:
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Postby Pocket (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:56 pm

Man, Fluttershy in the bee costume was so random. It just came and went in like ten seconds. Where was she even keeping that thing?

And the fake Swedish accents were an interesting twist on the standard little-creatures-talking-in-sped-up-voices schtick. Was it just me, or did Rarity take one on when she turned into a Breezy? When in Rome, I guess.
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Postby Eshe (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:00 pm

Venusy wrote:I don't think Treehouse airs the episodes as the Hub does, I think they're a bit behind. Checking local listings, they're showing Keep Calm and Flutter On next Sunday.


That would explain why I couldn't find it. :gonkity: Just have to wait for youtube/dailymotion to put it up.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:02 pm

Pocket wrote:
And the fake Swedish accents were an interesting twist on the standard little-creatures-talking-in-sped-up-voices schtick. Was it just me, or did Rarity take one on when she turned into a Breezy? When in Rome, I guess.


Maybe all of the Breezies have the accent?
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Postby acksed (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:02 pm

Pocket wrote:Man, Fluttershy in the bee costume was so random. It just came and went in like ten seconds. Where was she even keeping that thing?

In the fine tradition of cartoon sight gags, hammerspace. :-P
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Postby !saak (?) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:03 pm

Caught most of the episode. I'll let Freakazoid give voice to some of my thoughts :v:



It came across as really overt, and I couldn't unfeel it, so I'll have to watch it a second time in full to really give my opinion :)
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