S04E24: Equestria Games

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Re: S04E24: Equestria Games

Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun May 04, 2014 7:09 pm

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Sassafras is a helluva drug.

Also, it says something about how many assets they have that crowds have increasingly become less and less of a random palette-swap horde and more about individual ponies we recognize from elsewhere.

Oh, and as far as important earth ponies go...in a society like that, you'd likely think that things like being able to have a flourishing cherry farm in the middle of near-desert conditions means you're pretty up there . A lot of earth pony family fame and status seems to go with having exceptional artisan or agrarian ability, and it sorta cements Ponyville, Appleloosa and her little settlement as being part of the Equestrian "breadbasket", sorta like famous US politicians from the Farm Belt.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sun May 04, 2014 7:55 pm

So let's go from left to right, then, shall we?

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1. Blue, horseshoe with possible unicorn head- kinda reminds me of Fluttershy's football helmet in Dragonshy. Maybe Manehattan?
2. Canterlot's sun-and-moon flag.
3. Dodge Junction- Cherries Jubilee's flag.
4. ??? I'll have to look for a better shot of this one. It's a mountain (the purple part) with a rainbow. Rainbow Falls, maybe?
5. Griffins!
6. Crystal Empire's snowflake flag.
7. Cloudsdale.
8. AAAAaaaaAAAappleloosa!
9. Ponyville.
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Postby Veradox (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 12:39 am

Oh man, was this a great episode. The moral was greatly executed and extremely relatable, the humor was top-notch, there was great character development from Spike, we got some world building, and we also finally got to see the Equestria Games. Boy, was it really worth the wait. This is probably my second favorite Spike episode of the series, only barely beaten by Inspiration Manifestation, and it's easily one of the best of the season and quite possibly the show. 10/10.
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Postby Discord (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 12:58 am

Friendship is Magic tackles depression: the episode.

That was pretty stupendous in it's own right, and though I have a hard time ranking it amongst my favourites since cringe humour doesn't really do it for me, the great character moments, ending, and it's handling of depression/social anxiety/mental health issues makes this one stand out in a really unique way.

The background and little character bits in this were great. Like, I love this dialogue:

:vogue: "You were fabulous!"

:twasnothin: "Made me sit up proud like a corn stalk in august."

:v: "You done good, squirt."

Which just encapsulates their characters so well. Rainbow Dash putting on a pair of sun-glasses and going all "Sup?" to be "casual" is also really awesome.

I give top marks to Pinkie here too. The "nailed it!" line was great, but I love her little head-bobbing smile while Spike is singing. That whole bit really illustrates how Pinkie's head is wired to a different frequency, and it does it with so little- one shot and a line. But it works because she seems to sincerely enjoy it and/or sincerely roots for Spike despite the awkwardness, perhaps having an extra fondness for obviously improvised music. She comes off as more supportive and caring because she isn't bogged down by societal standards, as opposed to insensitive and/or dumb, which I adore. Plus all the dialogue with her as a rabid sports fan and wanting to teach Twilight about it was really great too.

The last act with Spike is probably some of the show's best work, and is easily relatable. Like, just having him sit there blowing a feather because he has no will to do anything else is brilliantly true to life. And his inability to take pride in himself and what follows- it's a conversation I've been through, and I think a lot of people who've gone through it have as well. Capturing a lot of those subtleties takes this episode the extra mile.

I don't think it resonated for me that strongly because I'm more detached from Spike's character (despite my own experiences mirroring his), but this is a really excellent episode on rewatch (being able to handle the cringe scenes better), and easily my favourite Spike episode (I don't care much for JFS :pinkieshrug: ).

Side Note: Ponyville winning the medal count didn't bother me, because that's not necessarily that far from real life. :pinkieshrug: The biggest country doesn't always win. Smaller nations can do quite well at the Olympics, beating out larger nations, through strategic investments in well-constructed programs. :spike101:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:26 am

Discord wrote:The background and little character bits in this were great. Like, I love this dialogue:

:vogue: "You were fabulous!"

:twasnothin: "Made me sit up proud like a corn stalk in august."

:v: "You done good, squirt."

Which just encapsulates their characters so well. Rainbow Dash putting on a pair of sun-glasses and going all "Sup?" to be "casual" is also really awesome.


Polsky seems to have deliberately done this twice in the episode, to make a pair of bookends. There was the earlier scene where the Ponyville team comes out onto the field, dutifully reciting their catchphrases:

:awesomedash: Awesome!

:yay: Yay

:yeah: YEEAAHH

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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 2:05 am

Headless Horse wrote:I'm a little disconcerted by the comments in the thread that suggest we ought to have had a longer (or even two-part) focus on the Games themselves, and that Spike's story kind of stole the spotlight, as it were. Are you guys sure that would really have been that entertaining? A lot of quick cuts of event after event without enough time to get invested in any of the individual contests or their internal dramas? I mean, if you're prepared to take it to an hour or more, you can pull off something like Animalympics—but then it would have felt copycattish, and it's such a gimmicky concept that I don't think it would really work for Pony anyway.

I'd much rather they did it the way they did: have the Games be a background thread to the main Spike event, something whose importance comes and goes in the narrative, and something that is made all the grander by being told to us through allusion and fleeting glimpses of the action rather than painstakingly showing us every single event. I feel like all that would have done would be to make it feel smaller and more unsatisfying.

It's all about the parts you don't show.


Even if the games were a backdrop, I would have preferred them be a backdrop for a few episodes. All this build up to be the backdrop of just one episode feels anticlimactic. I would have loved to see something like JFS/GPP where the main backdrop is used to a few totally different stories.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 2:14 am

I think there was a lot of high expectations with the Games because it's been built up for two seasons ("Games Ponies Play" aired on February 9, 2013, which was fifteen months ago).

Personally I'm satisfied with what we got, but that's probably because I don't care about games at all. I didn't even give a crap about the Sochi Olympics.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 2:18 am

I would have at least like to see more events. We know there's a lot of flying stuff for the Pegasus ponies, but all we saw otherwise was Archery. Would have been neat to see what the Unicorns do. Or the Earth ponies. Imagine there had to be games just for them as the Pegasi get all the flying stuff.

:rainbert: And no wife tossing.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 2:55 am

Headless Horse wrote:I'm a little disconcerted by the comments in the thread that suggest we ought to have had a longer (or even two-part) focus on the Games themselves, and that Spike's story kind of stole the spotlight, as it were. Are you guys sure that would really have been that entertaining? A lot of quick cuts of event after event without enough time to get invested in any of the individual contests or their internal dramas? I mean, if you're prepared to take it to an hour or more, you can pull off something like Animalympics—but then it would have felt copycattish, and it's such a gimmicky concept that I don't think it would really work for Pony anyway.

I'd much rather they did it the way they did: have the Games be a background thread to the main Spike event, something whose importance comes and goes in the narrative, and something that is made all the grander by being told to us through allusion and fleeting glimpses of the action rather than painstakingly showing us every single event. I feel like all that would have done would be to make it feel smaller and more unsatisfying.

It's all about the parts you don't show.

Nah, I'm sure you're right that it turned out better this way. My disappointment was simply because we had all this buildup only to have it (like The Doctor said) be the backdrop to a single episode. I have no head fantasies as to what I would have actually wanted them to be. It's kind of like when in music you have the buildup to the chorus or drop or what-have-you only to have it go in a totally different direction. That direction isn't necessarily wrong, it's just not what was expected and can throw some people off a little.
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Still really enjoyed myself.
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 4:31 am

A lot of things seem to be coming to a head in this one, even aside from all of the episodes directly building up to it: Spike saving the Crystal Empire, Twilight's continuing forays into princessdom (she's got her own throne!), and I feel like we're seeing a lot of the little character tensions and uncertainties that we've seen in Spike before getting directly addressed all at once (especially as compared to episodes like SAYS or Inspiration Manifestation, where he's learning a more general moral lesson based on something that's mostly isolated to that single episode). For a few minutes there I was sure we were going to get another "you need to be honest with your friends" episode, but I'm glad they had Twilight tell Spike she lit the fire straight-up instead, not least of all because we've already had that exact plot before. Spike totally botching the Cloudsdale anthem was hard to watch, though; it was funny but it gave me a real bad case of reciprocal embarrassment. I don't know why that always hits me so hard but it's the worst.

Was anybody else vaguely reminded of the Daily Show theme by the musical sting just after Shining Armor welcomes "the delegation from Ponyville" and the Cutie Mark Crusaders lead out to do their flag thing?

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 4:49 am

Yeah, when Spike pulled out the "I can light fires WITH MY MIND" thing, it felt like it was going to be the left-turn into wacky-hijinks-for-half-an-hour that I was kinda dreading—where Twilight would spend the whole rest of the episode agonizing over needing to tell Spike the truth and Spike coming up with more and more reasons to be invested in believing in his delusion until finally reaching a breaking point by diving off a high diving board or someth—

:-I

And then when after just enough time had passed for the situation to become awkward but not enough for it to veer in that direction permanently, Twilight actually did straight-up tell him—Spike's reaction made me think what we were going to witness was a Twilight/Spike rift. Like, Spike would not just be disappointed that he didn't have MIND BULLETS, he would be pissed—feeling out-and-out offended that Twilight would think him so helpless and in need of protection that she would intercede on his behalf, even if he was going to choke in front of thousands. I thought we were about to see a new, bitter, rebellious, teenager side of Spike that I wasn't sure we were really ready for.

But no... he was just crestfallen and disappointed in himself. He stayed Spike. The same humble, fragile, self-doubting little kid he always has been since Owl's Well. And we got to see how the same mental fractures he displayed in that episode have matured not into a desire to lash out at the ponies who inhabit this world of which he's not a native part, but into the conflicting motivations of a person who suffers from an irrational sense of inadequacy that might just be being fed by his constant role as Twilight's butler and Rarity's gofer and the one on the fringes of every story who has to carry luggage and clean up messes and gets left out of every good party.

It's been quite a journey, from Owl's Well to Dragon Quest to Spike At Your Service to Equestria Games. They all fit together in a weird and intricate way. And this iteration of the theme is easily the most subtle and mature one yet.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 4:58 am

Headless Horse wrote:Yeah, when Spike pulled out the "I can light fires WITH MY MIND" thing, it felt like it was going to be the left-turn into wacky-hijinks-for-half-an-hour that I was kinda dreading—where Twilight would spend the whole rest of the episode agonizing over needing to tell Spike the truth and Spike coming up with more and more reasons to be invested in believing in his delusion until finally reaching a breaking point by diving off a high diving board or someth—

:-I


And notice that Twilight didn't even have an ounce of doubt about having to tell him what she did- she's been through all 90 episodes of this show already, and she's the damn Princess of Magic Which Is Also Interchangeable With Friendship By The Transitive Property. She knows what's up with friendship, is what I'm saying here. She was more concerned about having everyone play it down around Spike so he wouldn't get too crushed when she did get the chance to tell him.

This episode was a culmination of so much of what came before it. It's pretty amazing when you think about it.
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Postby ponygals (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:14 am

I thought this was a good episode but thought we were going to see more of the games because there was so much hype on it. Spike has never been a fave character of mine so seeing him in this scene was interesting.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:20 am

I don't know about a two parter with Spike's story stretched across both episodes, but a parallel story in the following episode alongside Spike's could have been possible. Each story could hinting about the other, ala Trade Ya.

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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:21 am

Really, the Games themselves were a backdrop in almost every episode they were brought up in. The only one that was completely centered around them was GPP, and that was more around getting the Games than anything else. JfS had them as an excuse to shoo out the Mane 6 and leave Spike alone with the pets, FttF spent more time on Scootaloo coming to terms with her inability to fly than the foal competition, and RF ended up being oriented more towards Rainbow's key while using the Games as a motivator for betraying her friends. So it's no surprise they're used the same way. And it worked. They made the second Spike episode (after JfS) that I actually like.

And Dave Polsky wrote it.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 5:55 am

You know, that background event idea could have really worked out well. I'm still extremely happy with how the episode came out but that would have been an interesting little feature.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 7:12 am

Wow, this was such a great episode!


I was also dreading the "Artificial conflict because character didn't open their mouth" trope with Twilight not admitting to lighting the flame. I'm SO glad they didn't go there. Major thumbs up for characters acting decently against all TV expectations!

Twilight not being able to sit with her friends and having to be in an Elevated Princess Chair was 100% unspoken, and a really nice self-contained addition to the episode.

Spike was the perfect character to handle this sort of personal dilemma. Every role he's played has had a part in building up to this episode.

They nailed it in making it feel like an actual large event. When you're involved or behind the scenes, everything flies by quickly, you barely get a chance to actually sit down and notice the real events, and everything is flying by the seat of your pants, no matter how planned the event is. The pacing in this episode was absolutely perfect! :golfclop:



It's a bit surprising that a non-"epic" episode like this was so amazing, but they simply captured both the character moments and unique setting so perfectly. Easily a 10/10! Pure :ponydrugs: goodness in that unexpected, nearly slice of life way.


Now to wait for a picture of Strong Bad calling Spike (in a the Cheat costume) Mr. The Dragon.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 9:42 am

iTunes copy is out soooooooo, it's crowd-watching time! Here's a quick and dirty panorama of the crowd behind Spike when he's freaking out. And who's that right next to his head...? :awesomedash:

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Also, Cheerilee apparently burns easily, and a pony with some sort of odd backpack:
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Oh, and here's one that was pointed out elsewhere:
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The crowd near the royal seats. But wait, who's this...?
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Edit: And check out who's selling popcorn on the far left.
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 10:03 am

Bulk Biceps's Mom/Grandma. :allears:
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 10:27 am

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So many different shades of shock and disgust. :allears:
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Postby TheYESDragon (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 10:29 am

I thought this episode was one of the best of this season, so far. It wasn't an epic, save the world type of story but it featured Spike's problems and we saw a lot of continuity in this episode. First off, the obvious one - the Equestria Games. It's been building up to this, and while I was at first a bit disappointed to see that it wasn't all about the Games, the execution of this episode was superb and it was actually quite nice to not have a massive focus on the events. Instead, we saw parts of the events, the CMC's routine and Team Ponyville winning silver. We also saw Twilight's issues with being a Princess, like when she was on the throne next to the other princesses, and it looked as if she wanted to be down there with her friends in the normal seats and she had a funny look on her face, as if she really wanted to just go down and forget about being royalty for this one time.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 10:43 am

I cannot believe all of the little cameos and callbacks in those crowd scenes. I can't think of any other show that would put that much detail. :allears:
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Postby Juniper Phoenix (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 12:03 pm

Headless Horse wrote:Polsky seems to have deliberately done this twice in the episode, to make a pair of bookends. There was the earlier scene where the Ponyville team comes out onto the field, dutifully reciting their catchphrases:

:awesomedash: Awesome!

:yay: Yay

:yeah: YEEAAHH

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I could feel that silence coming from Derpy. :yikes:

SlateSlabrock wrote:Also, Cheerilee apparently burns easily, and a pony with some sort of odd backpack:

This and the hat that Cheerilee gave Spike in Secret of My Excess lead me to believe that she just likes hats. She just never talks about it. :-I
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 12:35 pm

I spy Photo Finish. :awesomedash:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:08 pm



:amazing: Hey Rarity, would you like to sit with your friend from Manehattan, Coco? She's only a few seats down from me.

:rariwhat: Who?

:skeptical: You know, that one pony that helped you out during that fashion show. She gave you that rainbow tread. She's super popular with the fans.

:starity: Oh yes, her.

:vogue: No.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:15 pm

Geez, the security is bad. They let Twist in.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:19 pm

I just noticed that they pulled out the whole stable of background ponies. Is Cheerielee the only one duplicated in that shot?
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:20 pm

Because there's a finale coming, we should get to town on an RT for this. Who wants to bang one out for Friday? :amazing:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:21 pm

Tailspin wrote:Geez, the security is bad. They let Twist in.


And Silver Shill, I know he went straight, but I'm not so sure I'd let someone who worked for two con artists into the games.

Oh and I also see CoCo Pommell & the receptionist pony from RTMH, and Cheerilee of course, guess she's there with twist... *wonder if they're related?*


I'm honestly surprised they didn't sneak Trixie or DJPon3 into the Audiance, but yeah. Lots of ponies there.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:24 pm

kefkafloyd wrote:Because there's a finale coming, we should get to town on an RT for this. Who wants to bang one out for Friday? :amazing:


I can if you end up short on people. I really want to get in on the finale's roundtable since I missed the cut on the premier. But I certainly don't mind doing two.

:saddershy: Only two more Roundtables.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:26 pm

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:rainbert: And no wife tossing.

Shining Armor is still very upset that the Equestrian Games Committee removed wife tossing as an officially sanctioned sport. It's like the drama about wrestling in the Olympics, wife tossing has a long, proud, history at the games.
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:32 pm

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And Silver Shill, I know he went straight, but I'm not so sure I'd let someone who worked for two con artists into the games.


Still not as bad as letting Twist in.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:36 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:Shining Armor is still very upset that the Equestrian Games Committee removed wife tossing as an officially sanctioned sport. It's like the drama about wrestling in the Olympics, wife tossing has a long, proud, history at the games.


I'd imagine Wife Tossing isn't an Equestrian Game sport but is done as more of an endurance sport.
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Postby Mir (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:45 pm

Is... is that Bulk Bicep's mom? :starity:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 1:57 pm

shotgunbadger wrote:Shining Armor is still very upset that the Equestrian Games Committee removed wife tossing as an officially sanctioned sport. It's like the drama about wrestling in the Olympics, wife tossing has a long, proud, history at the games.


Image There will be a new tossing event. You shall all use plushies of your choice.

:rage: Plushies, nothing! I'll toss every wimp in this stadium!

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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 2:18 pm

Image The audience shall be seated in the order that they stepped off the train! No exceptions!

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:-P Huh! I think I recognize most of these guys from our last trip to Manehattan! How many do you think live there anyway?
:rariwhat: Like, fifty to a hundred or so. Manehattan is probably a ghost town at this point.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon May 05, 2014 3:01 pm

I think he was just tired. FleetFloor looked pretty pooped after her stretch of the race too. But Personlly I'd imagine the Wonderbolts are probably human equivalents to their mid-late 30's.
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