S05E06: Appleoosa's Most Wanted

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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:14 pm

Here's a list of episodes where only one Mane 6 appeared:

Family Appreciation Day (Applejack)
Hearts and Hooves Day (Twilight)
Flight to the Finish (Rainbow Dash)
Somepony to Watch Over Me (Applejack)
Leap of Faith (Applejack)
Bloom and Gloom (Applejack; Rarity and Pinkie only make voiceless cameos in Apple Bloom's dream)
Appleoosa's Most Wanted (Applejack)

Applejack seems to be the one who's guaranteed to appear at least once. I think she appeared in more episodes than Twilight at this point.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:21 pm

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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:26 pm

I loved Troubleshoes. He's basically this big Eeyore. And he had a unique design, too. :awesomedash:

Oh, and regarding appearances. Twilight had a speaking role in 87 aired episodes, with Applejack in 89. The farm pony does, indeed, appear in more episodes than princess unicorn.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:26 pm

There's Hearts and Hooves Day, which I'll put down as my favorite CMC episode.


Hearts and Hooves Day is my favorite too. :yay:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:28 pm

Huh, wouldn't have expected the mudslide to be an intention reference to Romancing The Stone. Neat.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:30 pm



Something to note here is that Jim Miller voiced Troubleshoes. I think this is his first speaking role since Sombra, and he barely had any lines then.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:42 pm

If Troubleshoes Clyde really is the biggest pony ever, I sure hope a future episode will have him appear alongside Celestia. :gotcha:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:46 pm

Scuderia Ferrarity wrote:There's Hearts and Hooves Day, which I'll put down as my favorite CMC episode. Image

Ponyville Confidential is still my favorite CMC episode :scheming:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 6:47 pm

I think it was to make him stand out more and make him seem like a giant. Basically, he's the pony Richard Kiel (and just as awesome).
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 7:02 pm

ilcane87 wrote:Well, hypothetically speaking, IF the CMC were to get their marks this season (as some circumstantial evidence might indicate), the events in this episode could help them find a new calling: helping other ponies find their talent.

It would make sense, as it's what they've been doing for themselves all this time.

That's a good point and if it comes to pass my one minor niggle of the episode will be fixed up nicely.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 7:05 pm

It just occurred to me that Troubleshoe Clyde is a Clydesdale, hence his name and design. :v:
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 7:32 pm

When the teaser was posted and we saw Troubleshoes in silhouette, I thought he looked exactly like a very-horsey nosebeast wearing a funny little hat.

And that's exactly what he was. :awesomedash:

One little detail I really liked was the Sheriff's swagger walk through the crowd. It looked really goofy because it's supposed to be this big, imposing, wide walk, but to pull it off he has to squat down really low and swing his legs around like a spider robot.
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Postby Factory Factory (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 7:42 pm

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 7:59 pm

Surprised nobody has claimed that yet.
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Postby die Fledermaus (?) » Sat May 02, 2015 11:08 pm



She's tryin so hard :allears:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 1:15 am



Fuckin'-A right I did! Jumped right out at me, and awesome to see it was intentional.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 1:43 am

This was cute. It's been too long since I've had Sweetie Belle being best cute horse in my life. Troubleshoes and Braeburn were pretty cool too. And I kind of like the message/cutie mark worldbuilding even though it just raises too many questions for me. I mean, honestly it would kind of suck if your special talent is being laughably bad at the thing you love, and being laughed at for it. Troubleshoes is like the Ed Wood or Tommy Wiseau of ponies. The moral kinda reminds me of the Plan 9 episode of Mission Hill.

Also: Is the implication that you actually CAN wind up with a sucky cutie mark? Or not, since Troubleshoes ended up making the best of it? Are some cutie marks just inherently bad? What about ponies who actually ARE outlaws, do they have cutie marks indicating as such? Maybe all outlaws are ponies who ended up with crappy cutie marks and couldn't come to grips with it? :psygum:
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Postby acksed (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 1:57 am

Factory Factory wrote:When the teaser was posted and we saw Troubleshoes in silhouette, I thought he looked exactly like a very-horsey nosebeast wearing a funny little hat.

And that's exactly what he was. :awesomedash:

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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 2:07 am

londonarbuckle wrote:Also: Is the implication that you actually CAN wind up with a sucky cutie mark? Or not, since Troubleshoes ended up making the best of it? Are some cutie marks just inherently bad? What about ponies who actually ARE outlaws, do they have cutie marks indicating as such? Maybe all outlaws are ponies who ended up with crappy cutie marks and couldn't come to grips with it? :psygum:

The episode's message is that you may not understand at first what you're good at, and it may not be what you dreamed of doing, but you do have some talent, even if it's not obvious.

This season has been hammering really hard on cutie marks, though, and I'm not totally sure why. There's definitely an undertone of "your magical destiny isn't always kind" to the scenarios in Our Town, Applebloom's nightmare, and now this poor sap who didn't realize he could make a career out of his clumsiness. I'm not sure what to think of it as a season story arc if it keeps happening.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 2:16 am

So this has got to be one of the most smartly written, richly-textured episodes I've ever seen in this show. All of Troubleshoes' dialogue was absolutely masterful, right down to Polsky creating a whole unique voice for him—not just generic countrified vocabulary, but a careful, measured articulateness that is really rare in stock cartoon characters. I loved turns of phrase he came up with like "from this vantage" and "I'm the fresh casualty of an unusually unfortunate circumstance" (combined, of course, with phrases like "like sour on old milk" that you'd expect from anyone in a place like Appleloosa). Polsky really went to the mat on this one, and he created a genuinely memorable one-off character the likes of which I don't think we've seen since Gilda or Trixie.

The whole "rodeo clown" angle came out of nowhere in the third act, but then that act just went on and on to the point where you felt that you knew all along that that was where the real crux of the episode's story lay. It did a neat job of figleafing the predictability of the "Boo Radley" premise, keeping it kind of in the background while we focused temporarily on the (very well orchestrated and, more importantly, convincingly funny) clown show. There was a lot going on in this part of the episode, with lots of unexpected layers all working together neatly.

And there was a lot going on throughout the rest of the thing too. Appleloosa felt like a bustling, crowded community, with all the action and noise and hoopla going on in the intro—it feels much more lived-in than during Braeburn's original tour-guiding of the town back in S1. There isn't a whole lot of humor in the episode; it's more along the lines of some of the "serious" episodes we've seen lately like Rarity Takes Manehattan or For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils or Somepony To Watch Over Me. They seem to be getting better every time they attempt one of these kinds of episodes, too; all three of those previous ones had some weird missteps that drew down my enjoyment of them somehow. But this one was close to pitch-perfect, the way it kept me glued to the screen to see how realistic they were making the pouring rain or how fucking huge they were making Troubleshoes (they never mentioned "Clyde" in the episode, did they?) or all the great little Sweetie Belle moments, both her adorable clumsiness and her fantastic progress with magic.

Great to see more Braeburn for the first time in forever; his characterization is only getting better, what with his well-meaning but utter uselessness (I guffawed pretty good when he fell asleep flat on his face trying to keep an eye on the kids). Applejack was well handled too, with an air of authority about her and yet a welcome sense that she's not so much a celebrity here, but just one member of a hay-bale-stacking team, one who really has to strive in order to get that trophy she's been after. Speaking of which...

The more I think about this episode, the more the dialogue—and the staging and presentation of the dialogue—is really what impresses me. Like the bit when AJ shows up with the trophy:

:twasnothin: There y'all are! How 'bout your big sis, huh?
:annoyed: Yeah, way to go.

It isn't the dialogue itself, it's the timing; it's what's left unsaid and staged through visuals; it's what's implied by context. I don't know if there was a time when the show relied less on the storyboarders to help convey the meaning of the dialogue visually and said more stuff explicitly, but this episode right here does a damn fine job of telling a story by showing, wherever possible. Like how briefly and matter-of-factly it establishes why Braeburn has a broken leg and Applejack is there competing. "Well, I guess havin' injured kinfolk in Appleloosa sure paid off then, huh, cuz?" Or the premise of Troubleshoes being in town: "We need a big presence at this here rodeo, so make yourself plenty seen! I want that low-down varmint to know we mean business!" That kind of dialogue takes some effort to pick up, and I hope it isn't lost on kids. But it's just the right kind of implied context for an older audience. Either the show is outright acknowledging that it's writing for adults as much as for kids anymore, or it's giving kids even more of the benefit of the doubt than it ever used to. I kinda hope it's more the latter than the former, but either way I'm finding it way easier to enjoy an episode like this that doesn't dumb itself down even slightly than something as treacly as, say, the first few minutes of Fall Weather Friends.

Fleeting things I enjoyed:

- Possible callback to Applebuck Season: Applejack poking thoughtlessly at her relative's injury.

- The guy playing the harmonica to punctuate the Sheriff's dark foreboding "Troubleshoes :argh: "

- The torch and pitchfork ponies (Aww, we came all dressed up for a mob scene!)

- "Foreleg". Thanks, show, for keeping things horsey.

- Sweetie Belle's first use of magic in the episode—closing the door—doesn't even get remarked upon. It sets the stage for the later ones, though, and keeps them from coming from out of left field. Same way the hay bale stacking is set up at the beginning of the episode and then forms the conclusion too. Good story structure.

- "Sugar and salt licks!" :3:

- AJ and Braeburn's dynamic is great. I love how much it implies about their relationship, how much history there is, how much mutual respect and yet how prone to fuckups Brae is and how AJ knows it.

- The way the rain is handled. To Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo, it's an obvious sign that it's time to turn around; but to Apple Bloom, it just means they're about to lose the trail, so let's go faster! :flail:

- :twasnothin: "Whew! Good job, y'all. I know they need lots of mud for the rodeo tomorrow, but I wish they would've warned us about this rainstorm." Ah hah: "They" meaning weather pegasi, or whoever is scheduling them to show up with some rain clouds. Just look at all that implied texture and context. LOOK AT IT.

- "Fish my wish!" :lol: And here Polsky invents alt-universe western poker slang in a world where jailhouse horses play Go Fish.

- "Let's ride!"

- "You sure about this, Scootaloo?" Ah yes, the opening line from The Cutie Mark Chronicles, which I remember some early blogger bemused by the brony "thing" quoting as if it were an example of dumb kiddie-show dialogue that really shouldn't be holding legions of adults spellbound.

- Also I like how Apple Bloom directly cops to being the one who got them lost. :anticipation:

- The "ringing in the ears" sound when we get the Troubleshoes'-eye view of him waking up was a beat that they held unexpectedly long, and really created a great disorienting effect.

- I like how Troubleshoes' lonesome life features a lot of cider and pie.

- "What do we do if he takes us back to Appleloosa and the sheriff arrests him? If I get a cutie mark for that, I'll feel guilty every time I see it." This, plus a lot of what the episode has to say about cutie marks, is a new fresh perspective on the whole concept. Like they're merit badges for skills you never wanted to have.

- Troubleshoes was a cute kid. :3:

- "And... generalized mayhem!" I like how Sheriff Silverstar is like a combination of Pat Buttram and the sheriff from the Apple Dumpling Gang.

- "I'm running out of mattresses!" Nice visual gag, and one that underscores how little actual slapstick comedy there is in this episode. It's all but crowded out by actual well-told story.

- The wordless way they show Scootaloo congratulating Sweetie Belle on successfully using magic is like the best thing ever. :3:

- Even after they got him all dressed up, Troubleshoes doesn't simply take right to clowning; the episode directly points out that it's a half-baked plan and he still needs to have an innate gift to excel at something they're gambling that his cutie mark means.

- "Just leave me be, cutie mark!" The way this show has come to treat cutie marks, and how forthrightly it addresses the role they play in ponies' lives, is really standing out to me. They're still rather inscrutable magic badges that are not very well understood in-universe, and it all contributes to the feeling I got back in the S1/S2 timeframe that even magic is a poorly understood discipline in this magic horse world. I'm so glad they're still finding ways to make it seem mysterious, along the same lines as "Magic is as magic does".

- "If I done wrong, I'll see to it that I take my medicine and square my accounts." What a great line. Polsky, I take back anything bad I ever said about you. :twasnothin:

- I love how Applejack is perched on that hay bale. :gotcha:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 2:17 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:The episode's message is that you may not understand at first what you're good at, and it may not be what you dreamed of doing, but you do have some talent, even if it's not obvious.


:annoyed: If not knowing what you're good at gets you a Cutie Mark then why don't we have a billion of them?

:amazed: Yeah, you really don't get more clueless than the three of us.

:insomnia: I know what I'm good at and STILL don't have my Cutie Mark.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 2:18 am

SlateSlabrock wrote:The episode's message is that you may not understand at first what you're good at, and it may not be what you dreamed of doing, but you do have some talent, even if it's not obvious.

This season has been hammering really hard on cutie marks, though, and I'm not totally sure why. There's definitely an undertone of "your magical destiny isn't always kind" to the scenarios in Our Town, Applebloom's nightmare, and now this poor sap who didn't realize he could make a career out of his clumsiness. I'm not sure what to think of it as a season story arc if it keeps happening.


It's Cutie Mark Magic™ :smirk:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 2:53 am

Headless Horse wrote::twasnothin: "Whew! Good job, y'all. I know they need lots of mud for the rodeo tomorrow, but I wish they would've warned us about this rainstorm." Ah hah: "They" meaning weather pegasi, or whoever is scheduling them to show up with some rain clouds. Just look at all that implied texture and context. LOOK AT IT.

This is the one bit of worldbuilding I liked in this episode, since any other show would have gone "lol convenient rain". I found Appleoosa surprisingly bland this go-around though.

I thought this episode expanding upon Gloom's direction of "CMC realize the nature of cutie marks, including patience for them and every one should fit well" and spreading that message in this episode to a third party was a decent way to attempt to keep the CMC fresh.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 3:29 am

I think it would've been funny if Applejack would've referenced the recent events at the weather factory as reason for the oddly inclement weather.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 4:04 am

Oh yeah, and nice call having the buffalo randomly there to spectate on the exploits of young Troubleshoes.

Though that raises an interesting point: since that was some years in the past, it means it took place during the time when the buffalo and the ponies didn't get along.What kind of dynamic were we seeing there? :wat:
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Postby Daring Do (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 4:56 am

Headless Horse wrote:Oh yeah, and nice call having the buffalo randomly there to spectate on the exploits of young Troubleshoes.

Though that raises an interesting point: since that was some years in the past, it means it took place during the time when the buffalo and the ponies didn't get along.What kind of dynamic were we seeing there? :wat:


Well, since this was (I presume) before Appleoosa was built, maybe the buffalo didn't have a problem back then? That'd actually mirror history a little, I think - Weren't the indigenous people of the Americas okay with the European settlers at first?

I'm not sure that counts as worldbuilding, Wayoshi. Personally, the storm felt to me like a real life storm (out of nowhere, and mighty inconvenient for our heroes). If it had that feel for other people too, well, it'd only make sense to justify it and remind us they haven't forgotten how the setting works. :P
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 6:27 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I think it would've been funny if Applejack would've referenced the recent events at the weather factory as reason for the oddly inclement weather.


I was also pretty surprised they didn't mention that. I guess it's not Winter there. :v:
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Postby MurdER_weapOn '78 (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 9:17 am

Literally just finished watching this.

I liked it when Sweetie Belle said "worst idea ever", that was good nod to the fact that what they were doing was completely ridiculous. Apple Bloom and Scootaloo really thought they were going to take down some highly dangerous outlaw?

It killed it for me a little bit when they found Troubleshoes and it became clear he was just misunderstood because from that point it was pretty obvious which way the episode was going to go.

And yes, the "he should be a clown" thing did seem to come out of nowhere.

I think I'll have to give this one a 2nd viewing like I did with Bloom and Gloom, hopefully I'll warm to it, I must say I didn't think it was that great on first viewing.
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Postby DaBatGuy (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 12:10 pm

This was a pretty good episode, it didn't have as many jokes as last week's but each of the ones they had were quick, relatively subtle, and very humorous. One really subtle bit was the horse grunt when Braeburn enters the barn during the rainstorm. It took me a moment to remember that they don't keep horses, they are horses and the sound came from Braeburn himself. Ponies making genuine horse noises is always a treat for me.

They're really pushing this cutie mark thing this season, so far only 2 episodes haven't been about them. This is good since we've learned more about cutie marks in the last few episodes than we had in all the episodes post-Call of the Cutie.

I do kind of wish they found a more interesting way for the CMC to meet Troubleshoes. I think this is the fourth time Apple Bloom has runaway into a dangerous forest and gotten herself lost trying to confront some monster or criminal, you'd think that lesson would have sunk in by now.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 12:39 pm

On the idea of Troubleshoes being a rodeo clown, to me that seemed like a reasonable idea almost as soon as we met him. The sort of slapstick humor that he was being used for in his cart felt like it had a real purpose for that story, since otherwise FiM generally does not go for that brand of comedy. (SAYS and Feeling Pinkie Keen are the only episodes that I especially remember for having played that sort of thing. Interestingly, both of those are also Dave Polsky episodes.)
Headless Horse wrote:Oh yeah, and nice call having the buffalo randomly there to spectate on the exploits of young Troubleshoes.

Though that raises an interesting point: since that was some years in the past, it means it took place during the time when the buffalo and the ponies didn't get along.What kind of dynamic were we seeing there? :wat:

The crux of the issue in Over A Barrel was that the Appleoosan settlers were invading land that previously belonged to the buffalo. As such, other towns in that part of Equestria could have very well had decent relations with the buffalo. Perhaps Troubleshoes grew up in one of those such towns.
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Postby LardLad3545 (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 4:03 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:The crux of the issue in Over A Barrel was that the Appleoosan settlers were invading land that previously belonged to the buffalo. As such, other towns in that part of Equestria could have very well had decent relations with the buffalo. Perhaps Troubleshoes grew up in one of those such towns.

Ya know, I was wondering the exact same thing when I first saw that scene, but this explanation more than satisfies me. :twiright:
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Postby Corpy (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 5:36 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:The episode's message is that you may not understand at first what you're good at, and it may not be what you dreamed of doing, but you do have some talent, even if it's not obvious.

It's basically like flunking out of college, then going back to major in something different.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 5:41 pm

Corpy wrote:It's basically like flunking out of college, then going back to major in something different.

I know what that's like! :amazing:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 5:45 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:The episode's message is that you may not understand at first what you're good at, and it may not be what you dreamed of doing, but you do have some talent, even if it's not obvious.

This season has been hammering really hard on cutie marks, though, and I'm not totally sure why. There's definitely an undertone of "your magical destiny isn't always kind" to the scenarios in Our Town, Applebloom's nightmare, and now this poor sap who didn't realize he could make a career out of his clumsiness. I'm not sure what to think of it as a season story arc if it keeps happening.


The new toy line is called "Cutie Mark Magic". And the lesson that "life isn't always easy, but there's a way to success in the end" isn't a bad one so far.

Also, I totally do the Sweetie Belle tongue thing when I'm concentrating, so seeing that was another +1 enchantment to her Armor of Adorableness.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 5:45 pm

Octavia wrote:I know what that's like! :amazing:


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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 5:47 pm

That is a good way to put it. I thought of the message as basically being "your talents might lie in other places" but that analogy works really well.
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 5:58 pm

Headless Horse wrote:- "If I done wrong, I'll see to it that I take my medicine and square my accounts." What a great line. Polsky, I take back anything bad I ever said about you. :twasnothin:


Troubleshoes: He's a better clown than Rainbow Dash.

:v: I LIKE TURTLES TORTOISES!
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Postby Weird Autumn (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 6:18 pm

Okay I guess this is a CMC episode. Let's do it.

-I love that Applebloom is excited about low-down varmints.
-Ha! They're laughing at his pain.
-Even the hay bales think the CMC competing is a bad idea.
-Sweetie Belle knows a bad idea when he sees one.
-Braeburn did the responsible thing instead of running off and trying to cover up his failure? That's why you're not a protagonist, buddy.
-Hey, they found Raz's house.
-Is Troubleshoes an actual horse?
-More cutie mark anxiety. It's interesting to see a character who actually is unhappy with their cutie mark, although I'm sure it'll turn out he's just misinterpreting it.
-You know it's a TV show because they're trying to solve a problem borne out of a misunderstanding by doing anything but explaining the situation.
-Applejack getting the Rainbow Dash treatment.
-"Feel bad about disobeying me but also feel good about the thing that happened because you disobeyed me?" Mixed messages there, AJ.

I guess I don't have much to say about this one! I dunno. It was fun, I guess.
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Try not to stare
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Pretend you care
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Brace yourself, she might be anywhere.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 6:24 pm

Opposing Farce wrote:-Is Troubleshoes an actual horse?


Troubleshoes is definitely based on a Clydesdale. In fact, in official summaries he was referred to as "Troubleshoes Clyde", but that may have been changed because they didn't want him to be explicitly a horse instead of a pony.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun May 03, 2015 7:39 pm

Chalk up yet one more one-off character based on a mythological animal. :v:
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