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Re: MLP Movie - 2017, Hasbro Allspark, Joe Ballarini Writing

Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:57 am

Yeah, Sony's suggestions for the most part sound absolutely awful and I am so glad Hasbro wrestled away control from them.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:33 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Even with the way things were pre-Allspark, I thought Sony was still just going to be handling distribution. Was Sony going to have more involvement beyond that? Even if all Sony would do is distribution, I still think that leaves enough room for creatively bankrupt executives like Amy Pascal to apply some leverage to the end product.

Nope, that was the whole idea of the deal they made. Hasbro funds the production by themselves and has Sony distribute. Distributors don't generally get any say in anything, they're just working for whatever cut they've negotiated for themselves. This is by far the best solution here, since it specifically means no Sony exec gets to go "uh, but this needs to change" because they're not involved in production.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:26 am

It's got to be the most expensive possible option, though, right? Especially since they had already invested however much time and money into the initial script and deal.

It doesn't sound to me like the actions of a cash-strapped company. They must be doing pretty decently for themselves these days, is what I'm saying.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:41 am

Yeah, absolutely. Hasbro has to fund the whole production, and then they have to give a cut to Sony too. Plus, with what we've heard (Daniel Ingram said it's looking like they'll be working with a real orchestra for the music) and what we more-or-less know (animation done in Toon Boom Harmony rather than Flash, meaning most certainly a higher animation budget), this isn't even them going for the cheapest options production-wise.

But yeah, the girls' brands and MLP especially are selling so well that an investment like this is completely justifiable to stockholders, since it's a pretty good opportunity to expand their fanbase and especially sell more toys to even larger audiences.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:34 pm

Ruflux wrote:Nope, that was the whole idea of the deal they made. Hasbro funds the production by themselves and has Sony distribute. Distributors don't generally get any say in anything, they're just working for whatever cut they've negotiated for themselves. This is by far the best solution here, since it specifically means no Sony exec gets to go "uh, but this needs to change" because they're not involved in production.

Okay. I had been thinking that even just by distributing it, that was enough for Sony to have a say in it, but I admittedly know little about the film industry. :v:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:41 pm

Is Sony going to be the global distributor? They could potentially reach a larger audience that way.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:06 pm

Headless Horse wrote:They must be doing pretty decently for themselves these days, is what I'm saying.


The numbers are quite well. They made well over $4 billion last year, with at least $1 billion in girls brands. They have more than enough money to produce this. Considering it'll have a low budget in comparrison to Transformers, that is. Same with Jem. They're doing well enough to produce small budget films, just not big ones.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:22 pm

I think that this kind of film would do better with a smaller budget anyway. It means they have to find more creative ways to get their point across.
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:01 pm

Ruflux wrote:(Daniel Ingram said it's looking like they'll be working with a real orchestra for the music)


So is Daniel Ingram confirmed for composing the soundtrack for the movie?






Cause here I was holding out hope for MLP: Scored by Hans Zimmer. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:10 pm

No way, it's got to be John Williams.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:35 pm

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So is Daniel Ingram confirmed for composing the soundtrack for the movie?






Cause here I was holding out hope for MLP: Scored by Hans Zimmer. :gotcha:

Ah, but you're forgetting Daniel Ingram is primarily the songwriter, not the composer. The score is normally (barring musical episodes) done by Will Anderson, although this being a proper feature, I wouldn't be surprised if they used Ingram + someone else as an orchestrator for the score as well as the songs. That's not to say Anderson couldn't do it himself along with (again) someone doing the orchestrations (like the show already does, except this time for a real orchestra), but somehow I doubt it.


But yeah, he's definitely writing the songs at least. Maybe there's still hope and you get your generic, big-name A-list Hollywood composer for the score. :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:38 pm

Will Anderson's work on the show usually feels so underappreciated. He deserves a chance to shine in the movie. :fluttersmith:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:51 pm

I don't see any reason for them to have anyone other than Will Anderson for the score.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:08 pm

See, the thing is that the episodes which so far have used Daniel Ingram for the score also had a larger budget due to the large amount of songs. To me that suggests that Hasbro would prefer to have him do the score as well, but the budget doesn't allow for it, so they use Will Anderson who is very likely cheaper and does a lot of his work purely with samples.

I dunno, I'm just speculating. But it kinda seems like it'd make sense to let Ingram have complete control over the music if the budget allows for it. It'd make integrating the songs in the score much easier.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:14 pm

Ruflux wrote:To me that suggests that Hasbro would prefer to have him do the score as well, but the budget doesn't allow for it, so they use Will Anderson who is very likely cheaper and does a lot of his work purely with samples.

Composers using samples is entirely out of necessity to fit budget constraints. All composers know how to write music for live orchestras and would absolutely use live orchestras all the time if they could. William Anderson would not suddenly become a bad candidate to score the film because he doesn't typically work with live orchestras often. He's the clear top choice whether using a live orchestra or not because he knows the show inside and out, and he knows what music the producers like.
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:21 pm

Ruflux wrote:Ah, but you're forgetting Daniel Ingram is primarily the songwriter, not the composer.


Nah, I know that, I was just going off that since as far as I've seen there's been literally no word yet and Ingram did do MMC which I thought meant he did the background music for the episode as well and not just the songs (and I presume Pinkie Pride? never looked at the credits) so I was just presuming.



Also I kind of was just rushing in to make a Hans Zimmer joke ;'(
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:27 pm

Octavia wrote:Composers using samples is entirely out of necessity to fit budget constraints. All composers know how to write music for live orchestras and would absolutely use live orchestras all the time if they could. William Anderson would not suddenly become a bad candidate to score the film because he doesn't typically work with live orchestras often. He's the clear top choice whether using a live orchestra or not because he knows the show inside and out, and he knows what music the producers like.

I'm not questioning that. I just mentioned it as something that contributes to the fact that he is cheaper. He does a lot of work purely with samples and it seems Ingram isn't very keen on that, preferring to use more real instruments where possible. Which probably contributes to him being more expensive in comparison, apart from the obvious differences in the kind of work they primarily do.

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Nah, I know that, I was just going off that since as far as I've seen there's been literally no word yet and Ingram did do MMC which I thought meant he did the background music for the episode as well and not just the songs (and I presume Pinkie Pride? never looked at the credits) so I was just presuming.



Also I kind of was just rushing in to make a Hans Zimmer joke ;'(

Actually, I just saw your joke, and wanted to ruin it
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:10 pm

Boy, you'll all have egg on your faces when they hire Haim Saban! :gotcha:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:11 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:Boy, you'll all have egg on your faces when they hire Haim Saban! :gotcha:

So he's going to contract it out to somebody else, and take all the credit :-I
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:24 pm

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Postby Octavia (?) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:13 pm

Bakertoons wrote:So he's going to contract it out to somebody else, and take all the credit :-I

Literally every big film composer does this. :shh:
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:21 am

Fine. Change that to "so he's going to provide music for free, in exchange for publishing rights, then?"
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:55 am

Octavia wrote:Literally every big film composer does this. :shh:


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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:10 am

Oh, I wish I didn't know that now. Everyone does this? :gonkity:
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Postby Octavia (?) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:33 pm

When I first got to LA out of college, I had 2 interviews at Hans Zimmers' studio. That place is like a music factory. Maybe Hans will write a few themes for a film, but pretty much only a line of melody and harmony, not every instrument's part. Then his enormous staff of composers fleshes it out into a full piece.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:54 pm

As far back as The Lion King and its various follow-up soundtracks I was noticing that most of his credited tracks seemed to have names like Mark Mancina and Nick Glennie-Smith clinging to them like limpets. It didn't take an obsessive freshman Disney nerd to be able to deduce what that really meant.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:41 pm

I notice that sometimes you see the term "Musical Director" being used in credits, implying that, even if they have a staff of composers fleshing things out, there's still someone who's in charge, making sure everything fits.
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Postby Perrydotto (?) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:52 am

Octavia wrote:Literally every big film composer does this. :shh:


Well you say Hans Zimmer does, but really, everyone else? Is that just hyperbole or is it true? You are the expert, I'm just wondering.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:12 pm

I was watching the "Making Of" parts of the second Hobbit movie. The deadline for the final sound mix came down to the last hours of a marathon session for the final scenes. They seemed to have a whole palette of musical stings and fills to play with. I guess those aren't exactly written by the guy with this name in the opening credits.
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Postby Octavia (?) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:14 pm

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Well you say Hans Zimmer does, but really, everyone else? Is that just hyperbole or is it true? You are the expert, I'm just wondering.

The composers that do big-budget films all have swarms of assistants. The amount of work in the amount of time that a big-budget film demands is way too high for one person to do alone. The job I applied for at Hans Zimmer's studio was 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for $350 a week. They can get around minimum wage laws because they're not technically employees, they're doing freelance work. The composer himself will probably create the film's themes and he gets the final say of what is submitted to producers, but it's the assistants that turn it from just a harmony and melody line into a full orchestral piece. Someone like William Anderson, on the other hand, probably does the vast majority of the work himself, but I bet that he has at least one assistant to help him flesh out pieces.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:52 pm

William Anderson used to have someone completely uncredited helping out, but currently he uses Kelly Davidson, who gets actual credit for additional music and orchestrations. She started with either Equestria Girls or season 4, I forget which.

e: Okay yeah, she started with EqG, where she was credited the same as the show alongside three other people. In comparison, she's the only person who assisted with the soundtrack to receive credit in Rainbow Rocks (though the others assisted, produced and performed for the actual songs, working with Daniel Ingram so it's a bit different).
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:24 pm

They're apparently going to announce a distributor soon.
http://www.equestriadaily.com/2015/07/my-little-pony-movie-news-coming-soon.html?m=1

"As you look at Allspark, the next major production is the my little pony animated film, which will come out in 2017. We will announce a distributor shortly. Again, we are able to make that movie for more of a nominal cost than a traditional animated film given all of our experience and expertise in animated television production. Although, this certainly will be on scale with all the other animated films you've seen in terms of quality and the look and the feel of the movie. The music, as well as the cast, is quite good. But I won't steal the team's thunder, they will announce that shortly."


Among other things :-P

I'd be surprised if Sony or Disney distribute it. I think it'll be Paramount or Universal because they're not really competing against Hasbro and also, I think one of them is already distributing Hasbro's films like Transformers and the upcoming Jem. It's probably Paramount I'm referring to.

Edit: As to saying it will match the quality of other animated films... I wonder if they're referring to Dreamwork, Disney, or Pixar.
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For a new studio's first animated theatrical film, I don't expect it to match those there's animation quality.

Though come to think of it, since they did compare their MLP movie to other animated movies, does this sorta confirm that it's going to be 3D animated?
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:33 pm

I'm pretty sure it might be Paramount because they distributed Transformers and I want to say the GI Joe films.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:15 pm

I thought Sony was going to distribute it. Isn't that what Ruflux was saying earlier? :ponder:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:18 pm

We know from the leaks that Hasbro was in talks with Sony, but also that Sony kinda seemed clueless about what Hasbro was trying to do with My Little Pony.

They also didn't seem interested in Jem at all, which is being distributed by Universal, so things could have changed.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:51 pm

I thought that Hasbro was horrified at the direction that Sony wanted to take it (something like the Smurf movies which are so bad, not even the presence of NPH could save them) so they wrenched the rights away from them.
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Postby Applepie (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:26 pm

I hope it will be better than some previous animated Sony movies.
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Postby Lorce (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:43 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I thought Sony was going to distribute it. Isn't that what Ruflux was saying earlier? :ponder:

Yeah, i thought it was said that initially Sony was also involved in production, but they ended up with just a distribution deal after their input. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:50 pm

Fizzbuzz wrote:I thought Sony was going to distribute it. Isn't that what Ruflux was saying earlier? :ponder:

It probably is, but as those were leaked, it wasn't officially announced. But it wouldn't surprised me if that changed by now.
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Postby Ruflux (?) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:45 pm

It's Sony as far as we know from the emails. :pinkieshrug: Of course, this isn't yet public knowledge so they could just be announcing that now, but who knows? They were pretty certain in the emails that a deal was happening, but business is business. It's still totally possible they couldn't agree on terms and Hasbro had to go looking elsewhere. Or maybe someone else approached them with a better deal and Hasbro took it.

Really, I guess I wasn't that forward with it, but these things change all the time. It wouldn't honestly surprise me one bit if they announce a different distributor. My earlier comments were going with the assumption that everything went smoothly with Sony, but that might not necessarily even be the case.
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