S04E12: Pinkie Pride

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Re: S04E12: Pinkie Pride

Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:54 pm

I still like what they did in SAE when they were tossing Twilight in the air. :excite:
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Postby WandereringPony (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:05 pm

blasmeister wrote:Well that sure was a thing that happened in a childrens cartoon right there. Goddamn.

...I am at somewhat of a loss as to how Pinkie or Cheese Sandwich manage to make a living throwing extremely extravagant parties. Maybe they pay for their supplies in parties and that works out somehow.


They're Celestia's own messengers of domestic tranquility. Note what happens in MMC when Pinkie -isn't- doing her thing thanks to her screwed-up cutie mark and Fluttershy can't pick up the slack.

I mean, we've got a cake budget for the Sisters. When you don't need a huge army, clearly the peacemaker is the party planners. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:05 pm

Cool episode.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:16 pm

Tailspin wrote:Cool episode.


I think this guy just nailed it.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:24 pm

(Mini-FFT start)

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Appleloosa is already chummy after OBA, so this was an easy job. Hi, Little Strong Heart!

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Remember how an expressionless baby alligator was pretty silly serious? Meet Boneless. :serious:

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This entire scene is great at getting across why he was named Cheese Sandwich - the music while focusing on the cutie mark.

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:anticipation: :scootawoo: :milkshake: : Cutie Mark Crusaders Contortionists! Yay!

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I KNOW I CAN FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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The admiring masses.

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We need another episode with the babies. :3:

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Super happy... I would be super happy too if I could carry paint around in a knapsack.

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Basically, it's super special party Pinkie is naturally at her :-D maximum.

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:party: : Early balloons are the best!
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Postby kidcoelacanth (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:33 pm

Disappointed this episode didn't end with Rainbow getting a massive bill for party expenses in the mail.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:40 pm

That's next week's cold open. :smirk:
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Postby Dragongem (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:43 pm

Fantastic episode, easily tied if not surpassing Pinkie Apple Pie for me. It was a laugh riot and that's what I love the best.

From what Octavia/AL/Miles and I understand Weird Al didn't actually write the songs, which is impressive because it felt like his style was nailed very well in a couple of them.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:48 pm

Dragongem wrote:From what Octavia/AL/Miles and I understand Weird Al didn't actually write the songs, which is impressive because it felt like his style was nailed very well in a couple of them.

Correct, Daniel wrote 3 of them and Amy & Daniel collaborated on 3 of them.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:03 pm

kidcoelacanth wrote:Disappointed this episode didn't end with Rainbow getting a massive bill for party expenses in the mail.


Eh, she can afford it. Judging from her mansion in the sky (look closely at the end scene of Daring Don't—that class of home is not earned on a weather mare's wages, so she must be independently wealthy), Rainbow Dash is quite likely the richest of the Mane Six. I think of her as the trust fund baby of the bunch.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:05 pm

Remember that Will Anderson played with Al on tour, he's probably got Al's style down pat at this point.

(Given that Al's style is "Polka!", that's not terribly difficult)

Niels Olof wrote:Eh, she can afford it. Judging from her mansion in the sky (look closely at the end scene of Daring Don't—that class of home is not earned on a weather mare's wages, so she must be independently wealthy), Rainbow Dash is quite likely the richest of the Mane Six.


:areyousure: "From each according to her abilities, to each according to her awesomeness!"
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:07 pm

Niels Olof wrote:
Eh, she can afford it. Judging from her mansion in the sky (look closely at the end scene of Daring Don't—that class of home is not earned on a weather mare's wages, so she must be independently wealthy), Rainbow Dash is quite likely the richest of the Mane Six.


Well, she can move clouds around, so she probably could have built it herself. And I'm pretty sure Twilight can buy anything she wants since she's got rights to the royal treasury :-P
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:08 pm

Wylie wrote:Remember that Will Anderson played with Al on tour, he's probably got Al's style down pat at this point.

(Given that Al's style is "Polka!", that's not terribly difficult)

According to Ingram's FB, Anderson completely stepped aside this time. If you mean any musician can get Al's style down, then yeah
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:12 pm

Kronos wrote:
Well, she can move clouds around, so she probably could have built it herself. And I'm pretty sure Twilight can buy anything she wants since she's got rights to the royal treasury :-P


Ah, the outside of her home is made of clouds, but inside (as you can see in the referenced shot (as well at the end of Read It and Weep)) it's marble. Now, whereas construction quality cloud may be a readily available commodity, I sincerely doubt that air grade marble is quite as common.

As for Princess Twilight, I doubt she would regard the Equestrian treasury as her own.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:17 pm

Niels Olof wrote:
Ah, the outside of her home is made of clouds, but inside (as you can see in the referenced shot (as well as the end of Read It and Weep)) it's marble. Now, whereas construction quality cloud may be a readily available commodity, I sincerely doubt that air grade marble is quite as common.

As for Princess Twilight, I doubt she would regard the Equestrian treasury as her own.


Fair enough on both counts.

But the libraries? Oh, Celestia help you (because Luna and Cady certainly won't) if you damage one of the books owned by the royalty. :spoiler:
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Postby BackgroundPony (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:19 pm

The Pinkie-est episode. :-D

Interesting side point, again we're seeing the pattern of one of the characters earning their magic rainbow key by inspiring their element in another pony. Except in this case, Pinkie earned it by inspiring someone many, many years ago, before finding the box, before hearing about the Tree of Harmony, before becoming an embodiment of the element of laughter, before even meeting her friends. That's some crazy meta arc story business going on. This show. :ponydrugs:
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Postby Sind (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:30 pm

Alright, that's it.
Having watched the episode 8 times now, I can safely say it's the most. awesome. ever :awesomedash:

I. just. can't. get tired of it :-D

I have never had this many emotions in any mlp episode. And it still hits me every time

And that scene, in the confession song, when Cheese lifts the jester hat. I can't help but get slightly teary-eyed. :flutterdear:

really, the only way to describe this episode is "this is how you do it"
this is how you do a Pinkie episode
this is how you do a musical
this is how you do an emotional episode
this is how you do a guest appearance
this is how you do a key episode

And the list just goes on and on...
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:33 pm

Kronos wrote:
But the libraries? Oh, Celestia help you (because Luna and Cady certainly won't) if you damage one of the books owned by the royalty. :spoiler:


Based on the latest comic book arc (Books), I dare say you don't want to damage any library book... Princess Twilight Sparkle will not be amused.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:34 pm

BackgroundPony wrote:The Pinkie-est episode. :-D

Interesting side point, again we're seeing the pattern of one of the characters earning their magic rainbow key by inspiring their element in another pony. Except in this case, Pinkie earned it by inspiring someone many, many years ago, before finding the box, before hearing about the Tree of Harmony, before becoming an embodiment of the element of laughter, before even meeting her friends. That's some crazy meta arc story business going on. This show. :ponydrugs:


But arguably she's doing it again since he came to Ponyville to seek her approval and such!
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Postby citric (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:37 pm

:-D
I've always thought of Pinkie as a pony I like in theory, but in practice I'm put off and irritated by how brainlessly she is usually written. But here is the best Pinkie writing since her comic micro. I was not expecting anything above average from this episode but it blew me away with pure :ponydrugs: and feel like I'm back in that happy place when I watched this show for the first time and had 'Hardware Store' on my mp3 player.
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:38 pm

On the subject of RD's age, I just realized that there are exactly 27 candles on the cake, even if six of them are off camera.

Because Weird Al tends to include references to 27 in many of his songs, so it just seems right.
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Postby Sind (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:53 pm

Sind wrote:this is how you do a key episode

Alright, I'm gonna have to elaborate on this.

Because I am not just saying "this is how you salvage a key episode", which is the most I expected of any of them. No, I actually thought the key stuff added to the experience, greatly.

That moment where Pinkie gets the Rainbow flash in her eye. The amount of realization it conveys is far far greater than anything they could have done for that scene. Seriously, you can almost hear a "pop" of understanding going off in Pinkie's mind.

And the key. Oh god the key. Cheese Sandwich gives her Boneless. Screw shiny wonderbolt trinket or spool of thread. He gave her Boneless.
And if that act wasn't amazing all on it's own, a whole new layer of poetic epicness is added once you realize that Boneless was given to him by Pinkie Pie herself, back in the confession flashback.

Aw shit man, I can't help but get misty-eyed =S
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Postby Super Karoru (?) » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:57 pm

This episode was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. :-D
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:04 am

Rest of Act I

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Didn't find much interesting for awhile, picking up here...

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It's MY turn to shine.

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Another mid-eyeblink = awkward context still. :-P

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Meanwhile, this is just kinda awkward by itself! :-P

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What's weirder than a flying pig? Giraffe horses. :-P

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Weird Al, the elongated yodeler.

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So many ponies wearing shirts today!

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Tropical background... near Daring Do's area?

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This is kinda creepy O_O

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Look at that beautiful simple background...

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A brown-tinted rainbow transition... :colors:

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Of course there's cheese.

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Mmm, brie fondue... :munch:

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:08 am

Sind wrote:really, the only way to describe this episode is "this is how you do it"
this is how you do a Pinkie episode
this is how you do a musical
this is how you do an emotional episode
this is how you do a guest appearance
this is how you do a key episode

And the list just goes on and on...


One thing I'd add to the list is "This is how you do callbacks".

Possibly my favorite gag in the whole thing was Pinkie actually sticking a cupcake in her eye. I was like, "AKR, you magnificent bastard, or whatever".

Because the way she did it wasn't by saying some catchphrase or even repeating a visual gag that had been done the same way previously. This time it was a new fresh spin on the Pinkie Promise thing—and while you kinda have to know the entire show in order to get the full impact of the joke (which is one of the emergent characteristics of the show as it gains maturity), if you don't know the history it looks funny anyway. It conveys that there's stuff going on you don't know about, that only makes sense in-universe (as opposed to being a pop culture reference that you might not get because you don't watch the right shows)—but it doesn't detract from the tone of the scene it's in or draw so much attention to itself that you end up rolling your eyes at the "Greatest Hits" obviousness of it, like the parasprites in Magic Duel.

Another example was when Pinkie is singing plaintively about putting her party cannon away in the closet. Can you imagine coming into this episode cold, without having seen any of S2 or S3? What would that—what? What? Party cannon? :-D WHAT

It's not something that detracts from the humor or the storytelling if you don't get the joke. It's something that adds to the mystique and makes you want to see more of the show. If just to find out what the fuck.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:09 am

It occurs to me that the first day of the new Chinese year (which is the Year of the Horse, or if you will, the Pony) could not have been marked more auspiciously.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:13 am

blasmeister wrote:I am at somewhat of a loss as to how Pinkie or Cheese Sandwich manage to make a living throwing extremely extravagant parties. Maybe they pay for their supplies in parties and that works out somehow.


Well, two possibilities.

One, Egophiliac Slice of Life is canon and Pinkie Pie's family is really really rich.

or two...

:party: Wow, Rainbow Dash that sure was a swell party. Balloons, the stage show, a giant cake. And who can forget the hippopotamus and the roller coaster!

:awesomedash: It was great Pinkie, thanks for organizing it.

:cheese: Just wanted to stop by to make sure you enjoyed yourself, and to drop off the bill.

:shutup: Bill? You never said anything about a bill..

:serious: I've itemized everything. You think Streamers and roller coasters grow on trees? I'll expect payment by next Tuesday.

:grumpydash: Or what, you'll repossess my party?

:serious: Yes, yes I will.

:offendash: Just how do you plan to do that?

:serious: Oh, I have people for that who owe me a favor.

Image I threw quite the bash for my 50th and I still owe the young lady a considerable sum Ms. Dash.
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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:16 am

Headless Horse wrote:
Possibly my favorite gag in the whole thing was Pinkie actually sticking a cupcake in her eye.


I felt pretty much the same way about Rarity's puzzled "What?" in Three's a Crowd.
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Postby Captain Rufus (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:23 am

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Sad Pinkie is the worst thing. Almost too many musical numbers.
But tons of great animation bits and a couple bits I laughed out loud at.

I dunno man. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:24 am

Also from the leak thread:

For some reason I also lost it at the bald-faced "My Little Pony" mention. It's not like such title-drops aren't old hat by now; but somehow, hearing it in Weird Al's voice, which I've associated for so long with him as his human self, ends up breaking the fourth wall for me more insidiously and cleverly than anything else in the episode, including the amazing little live-action cutaways. This was a modern-day human talking about the ponies using the name for their toy selves that he can go to a store and buy. Somehow that's different from anything I've ever heard out of the show. It's the kind of novelty that always catches me off-guard about it.

I kept dipping in and out of picturing Weird Al reading the script in the voice recording session, and every time I did it I could only conclude that he was having a fucking great time with the most ridiculous material ever. :-P
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:26 am

:thatsright: AJ, I need a favor.

:twasnothin: Sure, Rainbow Dash, what can Ah do for you.

:3: Well, I kind of need to pay Pinkie for her party, and...

:squintyjack: And what?

:v: I was wondering if I could borrow some bits. You know, from selling apples and junk. I'll pay you back.

:bluh: We need that money for the farm.

:maddash: Come on, AJ...who stuck with you when we explored the creepy old castle?

:unenthused: Our castle is not creepy.

:thatsright: Hey, Luna...got some extra cash floating around?

:pcstare: Canterlot is not a bank. Well...not yet.

:-/ So that's what that Colt Manehattan sign I saw going up was for.

:gotcha: We offer low interest rates of 6 percent!

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:speakest: The fun has been doubled!
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:28 am

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This gag slayed me. Snacks made by your mom in the human world? Microwaved nachos, maybe bagel bites. Pony world? Big ol' bale of stale hay.

Horsie moments. :3:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:34 am

And further to the above...

Weird Al has done his share of cartoons. Usually the roles he plays are appropriately wacky/zany/unpredictable, and sometimes are a little creepy or sinister or just "off" (Petroleum Joe, Uncle Muscles).

But I doubt he's ever done anything where he's had to read lines with so much sincerity and warmth as he did here.

Rainbow Dash is right. I never meant to take your place in Ponyville. I just wanted to show you what a great party pony I am, Pinkie.


He's not "on" here. He's just some guy who's talking to Pinkie like a respectful fan and colleague. That in itself might be a first for Weird Al—to have a role to play where at some point he just stops being a goofball cartoon character and engages with his fellow characters like rational adults.



E: So the Mane 6 Tribute Band so far consists of Coco, Spitfire, and Cheese? :gotcha:
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Postby Kronos (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:42 am

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Headless Horse wrote:But I doubt he's ever done anything where he's had to read lines with so much sincerity and warmth as he did here.



He's not "on" here. He's just some guy who's talking to Pinkie like a respectful fan and colleague. That in itself might be a first for Weird Al—to have a role to play where at some point he just stops being a goofball cartoon character and engages with his fellow characters like rational adults.


He may have had one or two lines back in TF Animated as Wreck-Gar towards the end where Ratchet has to suck it up and apologize for being a dick to him for the last 20 minutes, but I do agree that was nothing compared to what he did here with Cheese.

E: So the Mane 6 Tribute Band so far consists of Coco, Spitfire, and Cheese? :gotcha:


Holy shit I would buy a set of ponies and gladly violate my rule about no doubles simply to have toys of those three. Even if Spitfire's really kind of a bitch. :rainbert:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:13 am

Wayoshi wrote:Time for some staff tweet shots. And by that, I mean Amy is tweeting up a storm. Song inspirations & more:

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All these tweets are awesome (love how enthused AKR sounds to be back in the saddle!), but this one in particular—the top one—jumps out at me.

This is a kids' show, right? The kind of thing that's built around a contractually obligated formula? The kind of thing where you know that the episode's going to end with the theme song playing softly in the background while Twilight says "You know, I've learned something today".

Well, not only has this show broken steadily away from the friendship-lesson formula established in S1, first moving on to featuring all the ponies at different times, and then to the diary concept—but now we have this rather remarkable little development.

Pinkie writes in the diary, they go through the motions of the tropey little tradition, but we don't find out what lesson she learned. It's just a visual gag, a little piece of storytelling that presumes we know what it's about. But the lesson itself is so unimportant that they don't bother telling us what it is.

The equivalent of this would be if you saw an episode of G.I. Joe, and at the end, there was a scene with the main characters doing something in the foreground, and then the camera panned past someone in the background giving the "Now you know—and knowing is half the battle" routine to some kids. Silently.

How great is that? :-D Just when I think this show's finished being avant-garde and challenging my expectations of what it's willing to do to its genre box, it comes up with something like this. And just throws it on the pile like it ain't no thang.
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Postby Dee Cee (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:28 am

I had heard the spoiler beforehand that there were live-action bits, so I went into this episode with the expectation that there would be a cutaway bit during the duel scene with Andrea and Al dressed up to look like Pinkie and Cheese, respectively.
That wasn't what the live-action thing was and now I feel lied to. :maddash:

That said, this was a very fun episode - probably the funnest one yet! Everything just worked together so well - with enough little details that repeated viewings are pretty much essential.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:44 am

It's quite unlikely, but a "Tribute 6" episode has potential. You already have a nice mix of characters, with shy Coco, brash and confident Spitfire, and zany Cheese. Imagine them going on an adventure.

Of course the big obstacle is I doubt you can just call on Weird Al for any old episode (or maybe you can? Who knows what his cost is?). Unless you get creative and say he 'lost his voice' and holds up signs, Road Runner and Wile E Coyote style :gotcha:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:49 am

Anyone catch in the credits if they credited another show with the live action Gummy footage?


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:starity: Wasn't there some animal charity that Faust and others were pushing a year or two ago and one of the levels was to name an alligator Gummy. What if that WAS Gummy.
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:53 am

I imagine they just yanked it from some stock footage library.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:56 am

Ransom wrote:It's quite unlikely, but a "Tribute 6" episode has potential. You already have a nice mix of characters, with shy Coco, brash and confident Spitfire, and zany Cheese. Imagine them going on an adventure.

Of course the big obstacle is I doubt you can just call on Weird Al for any old episode (or maybe you can? Who knows what his cost is?). Unless you get creative and say he 'lost his voice' and holds up signs, Road Runner and Wile E Coyote style :gotcha:

If Cheese Sandwich were to come back, I doubt the biggest obstacle would be paying Weird Al so much as it would be scheduling him. All the other ponies are voiced by the usual actors up there in Canada, but if they had to work around his availability for recording then that might be a problem.
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