S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

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Re: S04E16: It Ain't Easy Being Breezies

Postby Discord (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:37 am

Yeah, I tried to give them a watch on one of their earlier reviews because they're apparently a big new thing on that side of the community now, but I was immediately turned off by their style for similar reasons. I don't really enjoy reviewers trying too hard to be edgy personally. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:39 am

Not gonna lie, I saw that thumbnail and my first thought was "oh that's right, I should check if there's a new Kimi Sparkle video" :gotcha:
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:44 am

Yeah, they do take some getting used to. I can see why people could get turned off by them immediately and completely. I like them, because despite how brash they are, they do make a lot of good points. :-P
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:49 am

Anyone have a .gif of Sea Breeze talking...

I need it for... reasons... :smirk:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:03 am

Regardless of tone / "edgy" or whatever, they make consistently good points (seriously, portals / pollen magic aspect of the Breezies is REALLY off). They do credit some good things about the ep.
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Postby Frosthawk (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:06 am

I've never watched any of these reviewers, cause I don't need someone telling me how I should feel about an episode of talking horses. :rainbert:
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:17 am

Frosthawk wrote:I've never watched any of these reviewers, cause I don't need someone telling me how I should feel about an episode of talking horses. :rainbert:


I assume you never read any posts in this thread then either? :smirk: Because they aren't telling you how you should feel, just how they feel. :-P

You are well within your rights to disagree with what people say about things. :party:
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:31 am

ScionVyse wrote:I assume you never read any posts in this thread then either? :smirk: Because they aren't telling you how you should feel, just how they feel. :-P


Yeah, that's right, only...

ScionVyse wrote:Basically, the episode is bad and the breezies should die from natural selection feel bad.


The way statements like this and the linked video are delivered kind of veer into "this is objectively true" territory, and it gets under people's skins. I can read "this episode didn't do it for me personally" statements all day, but I bristle when something that brought me joy is compared to excrement. This is a natural response - no one wants to be called a tasteless moron, even indirectly.
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Postby Mordja (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:32 am

Frosthawk wrote:I've never watched any of these reviewers, cause I don't need someone telling me how I should feel about an episode of talking horses. :rainbert:

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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:36 am

Passport Clean wrote:The way statements like this and the linked video are delivered kind of veer into "this is objectively true" territory, and it gets under people's skins. I can read "this episode didn't do it for me personally" statements all day, but I bristle when something that brought me joy is compared to excrement. This is a natural response - no one wants to be called a tasteless moron, even indirectly.


Yeah. I didn't mean to imply any objectivity with what I said, and I'm fairly certain they didn't either. I guess it is just how it's said, but it is all opinion.
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Postby Mir (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:43 am

I'll occasionally listen to reviewers if they're not being too nitpicky, but usually only if they actually liked the episode they're reviewing.
That's not because I'm looking for shared opinion (in fact, I'm just as likely to watch a positive review of an episode I didn't personally enjoy.)

I just enjoy watching people enjoy stuff. :allears:

:starity: It occurs to me that I may have missed the point of reviews...
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Postby Pocket (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:44 am

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Reminded me of A Bug's Life.

The pacing in this episode was rather odd. It's like, it felt like one of those season one episodes that was written by people who had more experience cramming a whole episode into only half a show so there's a lot of padding and repetition, but at the same time, I feel like the amount of time it took to resolve the plot was reasonable and significant. Like, it would feel rushed if you were to just straight-up cut it down.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:47 am

On reviewers, some of them arent that bad... Silverquill, Bronycurious and Digibrony are tolerable... those guys with the TP unicorn horn, and especially Kimisparkle are anoying
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:49 am

Kimisparkle is supposed to be annoying. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:49 am

I didn't watch that video, but did they consider that the Breezies are not from Equestria and are most likely far more suited for living in their home world? Because that's kind of important to think of.

(Of course, I realize I'm largely missing the "don't overanalyze a cartoon" point. :-I)
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Postby Thaddeus (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:50 am

True, but Ryue and I seem to share the opinion that it's not that funny. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:52 am

ScionVyse wrote:
Yeah. I didn't mean to imply any objectivity with what I said, and I'm fairly certain they didn't either. I guess it is just how it's said, but it is all opinion.


Thanks. I accept your opinion. :hug:

But as for them, I've watched their videos, I'm pretty sure they think they speak objective truth.

I personally feel that the proliferation of dedicated pony reviewers since the end stretch of season 3 is one of the worst things to have happened to us. It doesn't matter that they sometimes say nice things here and there, they mostly serve as a nit-pick amplification/dissemination service, one that poisons enthusiasm for a piece of entertainment that is, frankly, too lightweight to withstand such scrutiny. Season 1 would never have gotten off the ground if these wall-of-text-and-20 minute review people had been around to squelch its babe-in-the-woods charm.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:54 am

I feel like I dodged a bullet by not going full reviewer early on. :liarjack:
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Postby Ragnar (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:56 am

Longwinded reviews in season 1 helped to spread Poines, I personally think. There's that old AV Club review, and TGWTG (I think that's who did the video review). Yeah, it was mostly gushing with only occasional critiques, but it was still a cerebral critical response.

I wish we'd kept that "Poines" banner from back in the day. I still think it's funny, but I don't remember where to find it.
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Postby Mir (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:57 am

Does Kimisparkle even count? She's more a parody of reviewers than an actual one.
Though I have to admit, I don't really enjoy her either.

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The pacing in this episode was rather odd. It's like, it felt like one of those season one episodes that was written by people who had more experience cramming a whole episode into only half a show so there's a lot of padding and repetition, but at the same time, I feel like the amount of time it took to resolve the plot was reasonable and significant. Like, it would feel rushed if you were to just straight-up cut it down.


You know, I agree, the pacing did feel a little like season 1.
Mentioned this before, but the world building really seemed that way to me too, for all the complaints it's been getting. The first two seasons introduced a lot of incomplete concepts where the viewers were expected to fill in the gaps themselves.
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:00 am

sailoryue wrote:On reviewers, some of them arent that bad... Silverquill, Bronycurious and Digibrony are tolerable...


Emphasis on "tolerable". Silverquill is reasonable and entertaining even when I disagree. Bronycurious has recently improved after a spate of "missing the point" and :effort: videos, but remains a writer of seriously skeezy fanfiction with a mild delusion of critical clarity. Digibrony lost all perspective at the beginning of the season and doesn't sound like himself anymore, criticizing things he used to like and defend - In fact I think he's stopped doing videos because too many of his former fans were pointing this out.
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:02 am

Passport Clean wrote:But as for them, I've watched their videos, I'm pretty sure they think they speak objective truth.

I personally feel that the proliferation of dedicated pony reviewers since the end stretch of season 3 is one of the worst things to have happened to us. It doesn't matter that they sometimes say nice things here and there, they mostly serve as a nit-pick amplification/dissemination service, one that poisons enthusiasm for a piece of entertainment that is, frankly, too lightweight to withstand such scrutiny. Season 1 would never have gotten off the ground if these wall-of-text-and-20 minute review people had been around to squelch its babe-in-the-woods charm.


Whether or not they actually think they are being objective, I'd rather people have actual conviction in what they say, and think it's right, rather than not. If anyone is going to be wishy-washy with opinions about things, what's the point of having them at all?

I don't think these reviewers are a bad thing overall, but I do see your point. I think that it's proof of how the show is actually growing and evolving. I doubt very many other children's cartoons would have an actual analysis community, which hold it on a higher level, holding greater expectations. It's a testament to how good this show can actually be. People are treating FiM as an actual piece of art done by artists, not just as a corporate toy selling catalyst.


Fizzbuzz wrote:I didn't watch that video, but did they consider that the Breezies are not from Equestria and are most likely far more suited for living in their home world? Because that's kind of important to think of.

They did. They said they would have forgiven the fact that the breezies were so completely helpless if they all actually wanted to go back to their home. However, Sea Breeze was the only one with the sense to know how much trouble they would be in if they didn't head back. It wasn't their helplessness that bothered them, it was their stupidity.
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:05 am

Passport Clean wrote:
Emphasis on "tolerable". Silverquill is reasonable and entertaining even when I disagree. Bronycurious has recently improved after a spate of "missing the point" and :effort: videos, but remains a writer of seriously skeezy fanfiction with a mild delusion of critical clarity. Digibrony lost all perspective at the beginning of the season and doesn't sound like himself anymore, criticizing things he used to like and defend - In fact I think he's stopped doing videos because too many of his former fans were pointing this out.

Well alot of the older episodes were pretty decent. but yeah, more recent ones it seems like Digi hated every episode that came out :pinkieshrug:
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Postby ScionVyse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:09 am

Digi seems to miss the point with essentially everything he's done lately. I'm gonna stop watching his stuff, because everything (pony or not) has me facepalming every time. He seems to take way too much time trying to sound smart without actually taking the time to make sure what he's saying is actually smart. :v:
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:20 am

ScionVyse wrote:
I don't think these reviewers are a bad thing overall, but I do see your point. I think that it's proof of how the show is actually growing and evolving. I doubt very many other children's cartoons would have an actual analysis community, which hold it on a higher level, holding greater expectations.


There are a lot of cartoons from the pre-2000s we generally consider classics that, were they subjected to this level of laser dissection, would simply fall apart. I'm glad they didn't receive that attention.

Digi seems to miss the point with essentially everything he's done lately. I'm gonna stop watching his stuff, because everything (pony or not) has me facepalming every time. He seems to take way too much time trying to sound smart without actually taking the time to make sure what he's saying is actually smart. :v:


Yeah, a shame really. He used to be a cogent and effective defender of season 3. His about-face is a pretty sure sign something personal got in the way. Eh :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:21 am

YouTube Reviewers are never worth watching IMO. Bunch a crazy kids being silly and crazy and trying to be professional.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:29 am

I've never watched a video review of ponies, except for the SFDebris review of the pilot episode. And that was because I am a big fan of his Sci Fi reviews.

And to his credit it is an excellent review and worth a watch for anyone interested in seeing a review from a non-fan who was just shocked to see it show up on his request list.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/animation/mlp01.php
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:40 am

I've never watched a video review of this show at all. Really, I'd rather discuss this show with people than have people yap at me about it. Overanalysis isn't fun if it is being dictated to you.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:45 am

I never watch reviews, the only opinions I care about are ones from the Ivory Tower. :wingsright: :wingsright: :wingsright:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:47 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:I've never watched a video review of this show at all. Really, I'd rather discuss this show with people than have people yap at me about it. Overanalysis isn't fun if it is being dictated to you.


I've never sought out reviews of the show, outside reading the Round Stable Round Tables. The SFDebris one just came out of nowhere. He normally reviews Sci Fi like Star Trek and Doctor Who. He even comments that at first he blew off the suggestion, thinking someone wanted him to be unsporting and trash a little girls show. Then he did a little background research and decided it's technically fantasy so it counts. I love his other reviews and gave this review a shot, and as I said, it was pretty interesting to see a non-fan's take on the show.

:-I and he makes a Spike = Tiamat joke in it.
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Postby Discord (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:53 am

Watching analysis is enjoyable to me, because admittedly it is re-assuring to see if other people's opinions line up with mine own (or enjoyably aggravating if they don't :v: ). It isn't all that different from reading a forum post about someone's opinion in an episode and not directly replying to it. And most reviewers are aware of their fans and make efforts to engage in some discussion with them, in addition to helping launch discussions with their own opinions, so it's not entirely a one-sided thing either.

I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea though, and the reviews/reviewers I watch for pony are few, and I generally only watch stuff with people agreeing with me about an episode I enjoyed enough to want to watch reviews about.
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Postby Kitsune (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:57 am

I don't watch reviewers because either they agree with me, which means I'm right and there's no point in watching, or they disagree with me, which means they're wrong and thus I have no business watching them :twiright:

I do usually love discussion, though, so I love talking with y'all! :party:

...I haven't seen this episode, why am I reading this thread :-I
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Postby InsertAuthorHere (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:09 am

The Doctor wrote:
I've never sought out reviews of the show, outside reading the Round Stable Round Tables. The SFDebris one just came out of nowhere. He normally reviews Sci Fi like Star Trek and Doctor Who. He even comments that at first he blew off the suggestion, thinking someone wanted him to be unsporting and trash a little girls show. Then he did a little background research and decided it's technically fantasy so it counts. I love his other reviews and gave this review a shot, and as I said, it was pretty interesting to see a non-fan's take on the show.


I loved both of his reviews, and I hope that someday he takes another look at the show. Although considering his own lack of interest and the violent response he got when he reviewed Return of Harmony, I'd imagine he'd want to stay far, far away from it from now on.
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Postby Amethyst_Gem (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:14 am

MochaBean wrote:G1 Wind Whistler was basically Spock in pegasus mare form. The comparison to Sea Breeze doesn't really work for me, because WW was always calm and never a jerk intentionally, she was just kinda oblivious to others' feelings.


The biggest difference between the two is their emotional output. Wind Whistler is far more reserved. Their positions of being the logical sensible ponies and being blue fliers with pink manes though... well, it's not enough to verify a shout-out but it was close enough to remind me of her! :awesomedash:

I also appreciate having a male with long eyelashes in the show, same as having a female with muted ones (Zecora). The whole 'eyelashes = girls' thing is a trope I've always found rediculous in cartoons. Have you seen guys' eyelashes? They're huge! :v:
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Postby Passport Clean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:31 am

Well, since we've gone this far in posting video reviewers in support of our thoughts, how about these pleasant fellows*:



or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UdF2jJo ... e=youtu.be

* Of course this is sort of a pointless exercise I admit. At this point in our critic glut you can pretty much find a reviewer to support or lambast any opinion of the show. It's just the negative ones that leave the strongest impression due to human psychology.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:40 am

I just find it really counterintuitive to consciously set about making negative reviews of this show in particular. The thing that got us all watching was surprise at the fact that it was good, despite all our preconceptions that it would suck. It was the joy of discovery and of having our investment doubly rewarded with more good Pony that made us feel like we were part of something special; it was the good things about the show that kept us interested, that we've all always wanted to share with one another, to justify to ourselves that it was worth the attention. If the show were bad it wouldn't have been noteworthy enough to watch, let alone to review.

Why would we want to fall all over ourselves to convince ourselves again that MLP is no good after all, or that it's crashing and burning, as though that's the kind of revelation that sustains us? Surely the logical thing to do, if the show isn't doing it for you anymore, is to wander off and find something else to do with your time. Why fight your way back out of the fandom laying waste to all around you like Sherman marching to the sea?
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Postby PictishBeast (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:50 am

Video reviews are annoying because you're stuck listening to them drone on at their own pace while looking at some shitty placeholder image.

It takes 1 minute to read a written review; that turns into 10 minutes when you turn it into t-a-l-k-i-n-g. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Anyway here's a thing:

Fluttershy: Has it been an hour already? Oh, my goodness! Time flies when you're making sure little creatures don't feel that you're abandoning them to the cruel world.

Twilight Sparkle: But they're not going to a cruel world, right? They're going home.

Fluttershy: Oh, yes. That's right.


Fluts is projecting here. Is this how she views her childhood? :ponder:
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Postby MochaBean (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:51 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:Not gonna lie, I saw that thumbnail and my first thought was "oh that's right, I should check if there's a new Kimi Sparkle video" :gotcha:

Kimi Sparkle is the only reviewer I'll ever need. :vogue:

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:00 am

Highbrow Dash wrote:By the way, I find it hilarious how RD sticks her hoof inside her mouth to check the wind's direction. She doesn't have thumbs, you see :v:


Just wanna agree that this gag was fuckin' unreal. :gotcha:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:26 am

PictishBeast wrote:Fluts is projecting here. Is this how she views her childhood? :ponder:

Without knowing anything about what kind of home she grew up in (seriously, four seasons in and the most we know is that she was bullied by other kids back in Cloudsdale), it's kind of hard to tell. I figured that was just a product of Fluttershy's sometimes overbearing kindness.
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