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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:51 am

I don't think it'll be traditionally animated simply because Hasbro didn't finance the show to be traditionally animated so why would they suddenly change that now? They're gonna keep it as close to the show to milk out as much as they can from its fanbase who are mostly gonna go to the theaters and basically see the show they remember.

Also Flash is known for being cheap to make so I don't really see this movie getting all that much more funding than the Equestria Girls films did. Most of their money is probably gonna go to getting it on more screens and probably wider advertising.
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Postby PaulloDEC (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:54 am

Sergio Aragones' Mustache wrote:I think people are over-estimating how back-breaking and expensive traditional animation is. By all accounts it's cheaper than CGI, and if anything, even easier to do than Flash. Not quicker perse, but easier to handle than Flash puppetry.

I can vouch on this aspect. And it can't hurt to have the movie's animation be more polished than the show's limited animation look.


Pinkie π wrote:Like I said, though, would traditional animation really be better? FiM's look has pretty much been defined by its Flash animation. There's no reason the movie can't be animated in Flash and still be polished; hell, they could animate the whole thing on the ones if they wanted to.


Exactly. The thing holding FiM back from looking better (and let's be honest, it looks fairly decent for TV as-is) isn't the medium, it's the timeframe. There's no rule in Flash that dictates how detailed a background can be or how many poses/unique animations a character can have. It all comes back to how much time an artist has to work on these things.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:09 am

Pinkie π wrote:Like I said, though, would traditional animation really be better?


Yes.

The Flash look may be good enough for television, but I REALLY hope they invest more for the movie. Make it so it doesn't look like it was done with what's essentially glorified puppetry.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:29 am

But this is basically just a toy Comercial same as the show to Hasbro, not some personal art project they have an artistic investment. If it's to further cash in on the success of the show (and since the writer is claiming bits set in the same continuity) then why should the radically change the style and look people will have (by that point) been used to foe seven years?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:16 am

Even Hasbro has said the point of their movies is to prove they aren't just making overglorofied toy commercials....So, yeah...
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:19 am

Yeah of course they're gonna say that, but at the end of the day the movie has one goal: to sell My Little Pony toys.

Though I don't get why we're going back and forth on animation when this is totally gonna be 3D like 99% of kid's movies today.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:22 am

DerFurShur wrote:Yeah of course they're gonna say that, but at the end of the day the movie has one goal: to sell My Little Pony toys.

Though I don't get why we're going back and forth on animation when this is totally gonna be 3D like 99% of kid's movies today.


3D glasses? Sure. But the animation will probably be the same as the show. :v:


Also Even Hasbro aren't complete idiots. They know toys don't sell today like they did 20-30 years ago. They are about pimping properties, not just toys.
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Postby Juju&Lulu (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:38 am

Yeah I was mostly kidding about the 3D

But yes my main point is this movie is basically gInna be the show only longer and with a slightly bigger budget. And ffrankly I'm kinda with Fizz on this for once, just because ssoemthings traditionally animated doesn't make it suddenly good. Rainbow Rocks was a legitmately good movie and people can give Equestria Girls crap for whatever reason but that movie had some really good animation, so giving them more time, letting them work with ponies which they've had more time to work with, and bumping up the budget a little could produce a really cool movie

Not gonna be winning any Academy Awards or whatever but again that's not Hasbro's priority.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:26 am

Even if it is just a longer and bigger budgeted version of the show, it'll still probably be a lot of fun and look great on the big screen.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:46 am

SoundMonkey44 wrote:If the off chance the movie were traditional hand drawn animation, something simmilar to KanashiPanda's Stuff would be nice IMO.

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FYI: These are actually animated in flash :spoiler:

While I couldn't find any 'finished' Toon Boom animated Pony clips, I did find this :amazing:


I'd love to see something like this in the movie :awesomedash:, serving as the prelude/cold opening to the movie before the theme plays.

Edit: Can't wait till they finish animating this.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:24 pm

Damn...that is some beautiful animation. I'd love the show itself to experiment with that sort of style at least once... :allears:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:26 pm

Abit off topic. But there's also a pretty neat series of animatics of the mane six re-enacting the musical version of The Count of Monte Cristo!










But yea, flash or traditional animation, I'm sure they'll do a bang up job on the movie! ;)
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:36 pm

Wow...was not expecting Dumas and MLP to be combined but here we are. That's pretty awesome. :allears:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:47 pm

Eventually Everything will be ponified. :v:


And then the world shall be ours!! :maneiac:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:52 pm

Just as planned from the beginning...we were leading up to this moment. :evil:
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Postby Dead Leaf (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:27 am

I wonder and somewhat hope that it will be a remake of the first movie with the Smooze.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:07 am

Dead Leaf wrote:I wonder and somewhat hope that it will be a remake of the first movie with the Smooze.


Do this. Crossover toys with their Playdoh brand.
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Postby Pingcode (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:16 am

Smooze destroys Crystal Library.

:twonk: I just moved all my stuff into there!

That said, in a state of cautious excitement for this - I'm really hoping they don't use the added budget to go for a spectacle blowout, because, I dunno, I felt like the Tirek episode traded in its... je ne sais quoi for spectacle. Seen entirely too many otherwise cool series just go blah because they've gotten it into their heads that bigger and flashier is good enough that they can abandon their core competencies (in this case, strong characterisation).

Ah well. Hopefully it'll turn out alright. From what I hear they did a pretty good job with Rainbow Rocks, so maybe they've gotten a handle on appropriate use of spectacle. We'll see what the year's end brings, I suppose!
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:36 am

I think that the movie will be able to create a balance of spectacle and down to earth scenes. After all, every movie needs a setup or breather scenes to get the audience emotionally involved, right?
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Postby fenster (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:27 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:
While I couldn't find any 'finished' Toon Boom animated Pony clips, I did find this :amazing:




The Dragon's Mare short of Anthology 3 was animated in Toon Boom, however TBF it was completely in style of Don Bluth. We/he could've done the whole intro, but there was both time contraints for how long shorts should be in Anthology projects and that animator also had other animatins for the project he wanted to work on as well in the short deadline we had at that moment.



There's more weird animated stuff in A3 but I don't know what programs everyone used.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:44 pm

Are people really concerned that Flash isn't good enough for a theatrical release? This show looks a million times better than loads of animated junk I've seen, especially the kind of lazy crap Anime gets away with. If it looks exactly like the show normally does (or more likely how a 2-parter looks) it'll be great. I'm guessing the bar for quality is about around EqG 2, which was a visually excellent film by all accounts.
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:01 pm

The Outlander wrote:Are people really concerned that Flash isn't good enough for a theatrical release? This show looks a million times better than loads of animated junk I've seen, especially the kind of lazy crap Anime gets away with. If it looks exactly like the show normally does (or more likely how a 2-parter looks) it'll be great. I'm guessing the bar for quality is about around EqG 2, which was a visually excellent film by all accounts.


I don't know if you're referring to theatrical Anime films cuz...
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Then again, aren't there those Naruto/Brand movies released every year too? :gotcha:

Maybe I have too high expectations :pinkieshrug: I'd like to see that jump of quality that PPG had from the show to the PPG movie (still looks awesome today. Wish it had a HD re-release though).
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:12 pm

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I DON'T think the show's animation is that great. Evidently I'm in the minority on that.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:21 pm

I personally think it looks phenomenal for flash animation...they keep pushing the envelope with it.
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:30 pm

The show certainly looks great for what it is. I like the character designs and for flash it does look great.

However it would not stand up to animation in a big budget film. I woudl certainly not compare FiM to the output from Studio Ghibli or other film makers.

I can certainly enjoy the show despite it not looking as good as what other studios can do with a lot more time and money.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:39 pm

The Doctor wrote:The show certainly looks great for what it is. I like the character designs and for flash it does look great.

However it would not stand up to animation in a big budget film. I woudl certainly not compare FiM to the output from Studio Ghibli or other film makers.

I can certainly enjoy the show despite it not looking as good as what other studios can do with a lot more time and money.



Maybe Hasbro & DHX should let Ghibli animate the MLP movie. XD
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:57 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:

Maybe Hasbro & DHX should let Ghibli animate the MLP movie. XD


No! Get Genndy Tartakovsky :gotcha:



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Edit: Honestly, I would feel 'sick' if I watched this for over an hour. I dunno, there's so much 'snappiness' to the animation. I admire it for being unique though but I just think it's way too fast paced for me. Sorry, Genndy, I'll watch Samurai Jack 20XX though
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:21 am

I'll just go on record saying that from a purely visual basis, I think a ton of "regular" anime looks better than Miyazaki. His style looks like there are too few keyframes for too many tweens, giving this really floaty and unnerving feel to his movement. I'm not a fan of many of his character designs either, especially human ones.

I think FiM is better animated overall than Miyazaki's work, in movement, expressiveness, and subtlety. :twiright:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:55 am

FiM does take a lot of shortcuts and has its own areas of weakness, like anything does. But the areas where it chose to put all its chips, which are areas that no other show has ever really taken seriously—that's where it breaks new and rewarding ground. Cute expressive horse movements (i.e. the raised forehoof gesture) and walk cycles, while they lean on reusable assets, are so appealing they are in a class by themselves; and nobody, but nobody, does facial/eye expressions with the lavish richness that pony does.

You're not going to get beautifully posed battle actions or effects like in anime or Avatar or squashy-stretchy body movements like Disney, but those aren't the things pony chose to concentrate on. Which is fine with me, because they're what everyone has always concentrated on, to the detriment of stuff like expressions and intricate body language. I like seeing something new and mold-breaking, and so much the better if it does a really good job of establishing the bar in a new playing field.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:07 am

Homeswirl wrote:I'll just go on record saying that from a purely visual basis, I think a ton of "regular" anime looks better than Miyazaki. His style looks like there are too few keyframes for too many tweens, giving this really floaty and unnerving feel to his movement. I'm not a fan of many of his character designs either, especially human ones.

I think FiM is better animated overall than Miyazaki's work, in movement, expressiveness, and subtlety. :twiright:



Really? Most TV anime are pretty cheap looking IMO... Movement looks stilted compared to a Ghibli film & even a U.S. TV Toon.

But I do agre FIMs style is fine as is, it doesn't need an overhaul just for a film.
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Postby Wylie (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:33 am

Headless Horse wrote:FiM does take a lot of shortcuts and has its own areas of weakness, like anything does. But the areas where it chose to put all its chips, which are areas that no other show has ever really taken seriously—that's where it breaks new and rewarding ground. Cute expressive horse movements (i.e. the raised forehoof gesture) and walk cycles, while they lean on reusable assets, are so appealing they are in a class by themselves; and nobody, but nobody, does facial/eye expressions with the lavish richness that pony does.

You're not going to get beautifully posed battle actions or effects like in anime or Avatar or squashy-stretchy body movements like Disney, but those aren't the things pony chose to concentrate on. Which is fine with me, because they're what everyone has always concentrated on, to the detriment of stuff like expressions and intricate body language. I like seeing something new and mold-breaking, and so much the better if it does a really good job of establishing the bar in a new playing field.


The soul of this show is in the character's eyes. They animate so expressively and so well, and are such a large part of the character's faces by percentage anyway, that you can forgive a lot elsewhere.

I would wager that a large percentage of the "plus-ing" that gets done at DHX is in timing the character's eyes to match their voices and emotions. Go back and watch any conversation between two or more characters in the show, and just focus on what their eyes do while they talk and emote. It's amazing how much work they put into it.
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:34 am

I think the question here is where they're going with this. Is this just a show movie like EQG, ie basically a direct to dvd business that happens to get a theatrical release? This could be the case, maybe it takes this long cause it's meant to end the show or whatever.

Or will it be more like Transformers and other Hasbro movies, in the sense that it's meant to stand on its own as a kids' movie --even if it's still connected to the show? If that's the case I'd expect the animation to get a lot more detailed. Even if they don't switch to traditional animation there's still a lot they could add to it just by having better shading or lighting and no asset recycling.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:39 am

Yeah it's the facial expressions that really make the show, those eyes, ears & mouths are pretty active!
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:51 am

Homeswirl wrote:I'll just go on record saying that from a purely visual basis, I think a ton of "regular" anime looks better than Miyazaki. His style looks like there are too few keyframes for too many tweens, giving this really floaty and unnerving feel to his movement. I'm not a fan of many of his character designs either, especially human ones.

I think FiM is better animated overall than Miyazaki's work, in movement, expressiveness, and subtlety. :twiright:


The very nature of Myazaki's character designs inspire expressiveness, so I just can't agree with that. And again, while I still love the animation in FiM, I love it for what it is, a TV show. I could go all the way back to Miyazaki's first film in the 70's and see vastly more impressive animation than what we see in FiM.

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:16 am

Sure, and I have endless respect for that—not least because those cars, with all their squash-and-stretchiness and their alive movements, are entirely drawn without the aid of CG of any kind. That's fuckin' astonishing, and nobody in their right mind would even attempt it today. How do you make a Fiat 500 and a Citroën into characters without John Lasseter being involved? I don't goddamn know, but look at it!

But again, while you wouldn't see FiM do anything like that with carriages or chariots or other props like that, it runs rings around the above clip in terms of facial expressiveness. If you watch Lupin's face it's all pretty much stock standard teeth-gritted comic-book faces, which is itself a step up from what you typically get from modern three-mouth-positions anime, but is still not in the same league as something you'd get out of Disney Feature or WB or, well, FiM.
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Postby Homeswirl (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:46 am

The Cagliostro clip shows what I don't like about his style. When the cars go airborne, or the wheels go wobbly, or parts fly off, there's just no sense of weight or solidity to it. If there is, it changes mid-motion. It's an uncanny valley sort of wrong-ness to his dynamics that aren't an issue in lower frame rate drawings, and done far better by others in similar frame rates. I think he focuses more on the poses of the objects (and characters in others) to the detriment of the implication of the "physical" weight of the action involved during the tweens, giving that weird feel.

So while the cars are very animated, I personally don't like how they're animated and can explain why. Weightiness is a fundamental issue drilled in when learning to animate, but is never a critique wielded at Miyazaki because he's accomplished.
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Postby Dead Leaf (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:01 am

If they are just going to use flash I don't see why it would take them over three years to make it. They already have all the set pieces made and even the most elaborate scenes in the show didn't seem to take any extra time to make. Unless they plan to make that giant timber wolf in flash instead of CG.

I hope they fill the movie with stunning visuals. I imagine they would go to an enchanted forest and it be all hyper neon colors against a dark backdrop almost like Avatar. Prefect for 3D. Then the Smooze comes along and turns everything grey and the main six have to stop it and save the forest. A movie about saving colors would fit nicely into the theme of the show. Plus it would allow them to give a subtle environmental message to the kids.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:26 am

It might take 3 years because they have to go over the script, animate the entire production, write a score/musical numbers, etc. Movies take a lot longer to make than TV shows.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:51 am

Dead Leaf, if they are going to make a bunch of stunning new visuals like you describe, then of course they'll need more time to design and develop all that. Besides, when this was announced, as far as I can tell writing had not even begun yet.
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Postby Dexanth (?) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:41 am

I'm quite happy with the show's animation as-is and wouldn't want them to suddenly change mediums. Perhaps incorporate bits if it feels appropriate, but given how visually gorgeous Rainbow Rocks was - and that's working with Equestria Girls designs, which I've always seen a general consensus offer a weak base to begin with - then seeing what happens with Ponies, where the base designs are already fantastic?

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