S05E11: Party Pooped

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Re: S05E11: Party Pooped

Postby Mordja (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:19 pm

Bakertoons wrote:Third. He also got story credit in "Pinkie Pride" and last week's "Princess Spike"

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:22 pm

I loved how this episode really returned Pinkie to her roots as well as showing just how devoted and how awesome she could be. She went all that way just to make sure that everything was absolutely perfect for the Yaks and even when she couldn't do it, she still managed to pull things off in the end and make everything cool between the two countries. Probably the best Pinkie episode yet. :party:
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:27 pm

:ponder: Rainbow Dash, are you helping get the party ready?

:awkward: You could say I'm all wrapped up in it!

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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:33 pm

Let us not forget the most important thing we learned.

:amazing: Twilight is afraid of quesadillas.

I'm going to be sorely disappointed if there isn't fanart of this.
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:34 pm

This was a good episode for big hats. :q:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:04 pm

I feel like this is a right down the middle episode.

+Faces were great, stressed ponies are good yes
+Some funny characterized one-liners such as any nervous Twi, Twi's party interests and Fluts' up the slide
+Pinkie's journey was fun, mostly skipped over as a gag yes, but that's Pinkie so whatever. Keeping real Yakyakistan in the dark is fine, going back to the "don't show everything" principle

-Yaks were flanderized somewhat to the point of :-/ , as rudecyrus said there is room to question why they are even trying at all to befriend them. I think there was room for a more nuanced characterization of "sensitive but still nice enough to want to spread friendship to them" that was not achieved here.
-The flow of this episode was a bit jarring, going back and forth between two very differently paced plot threads. This won't bother everyone though
-A couple standard Johnny Test esque gags (Confalone is a writer on that show I believe) such as "generic heading for the ravine, stopped just in time, oops I fell, oh but hey I was rescued!" and "suddenly move miles & miles back to the starting point". These aren't inherently bad, they're just stock gags that took up screentime while not being terribly interesting

Some good stuff in here but not amazing. Interesting that Jayson & Jim are helping out new writers at the moment.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:07 pm

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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:08 pm

I love all the cheese, Twi I am disappoint. :-I
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:10 pm

Wayoshi wrote:-Yaks were flanderized somewhat to the point of :-/ , as rudecyrus said there is room to question why they are even trying at all to befriend them. I think there was room for a more nuanced characterization of "sensitive but still nice enough to want to spread friendship to them" that was not achieved here.

Befriend them so they don't break all your stuff. :pinkieshrug:

Also, I'm not sure you can "flanderize" someone who's never been seen before.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:14 pm

Confalone tweeted some during & after the ep.

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SlateSlabrock wrote:Befriend them so they don't break all your stuff. :pinkieshrug:

Also, I'm not sure you can "flanderize" someone who's never been seen before.

Too one-dimensional a characterization? Whatever the term would be. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Mir (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:45 pm

like the Matrix, but with raccoons instead of computers...
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:57 pm

:spike101: Twilight, I made a special treat for you!

:excite: What is it, Spike?

:here: My extra cheesy quesadillas!

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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:18 pm

Twilight's face during "so cheesy" is something to behold

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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:08 pm

Well, that happened. :-I

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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:18 pm

Wayoshi wrote:-A couple standard Johnny Test esque gags (Confalone is a writer on that show I believe) such as "generic heading for the ravine, stopped just in time, oops I fell, oh but hey I was rescued!" and "suddenly move miles & miles back to the starting point". These aren't inherently bad, they're just stock gags that took up screentime while not being terribly interesting

Slamming them for being "Johnny Test-esque" seems kind of unfair. I mean, they're gags that cartoons (other than deliberately restrained ones, like Regular Show or something) typically do. Hell, FiM usually doesn't do them with anyone but Pinkie Pie, so it didn't really feel out of place to me.
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:45 pm

They're still stock gags that were done generically. Johnny Test is the king of those in this decade. Could have used a subversion or two.

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I started at the end this time, will go back for some faces in beginning

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I don't recognize any of the Wonderbolts here... :-P

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Pinkie and the Beat-Alls were an even quicker fad than the Sirens (FF comic reference).

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:wingsright: : I can't use my wings this quicklyyyyyyyy

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The yeti-thing doesn't like Shortcake either.

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:51 pm

Eh, I thought they were pulled off pretty well. Considering that the target audience might not have even seen these jokes before, it works.
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Postby Perpetual Lurker (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:08 pm

I really liked this episode, but I definitely have problems with the Yaks' behavior. Having them being constantly offended by poor attempts at mimicking their own culture was a really good move. I just wish that they were a bit more reserved than "wreck everything" when they did get offended. In any case, I still really enjoyed the episode, since pretty much everything with Pinkie in it was gold.
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Postby Angel Beat (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:17 pm

I loved it when they wrecked shit. :lol:
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:12 pm

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Postby Niels Olof (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:17 pm

Truly an epic Pinkie Pie episode, yet the best line was, IMHO, due Fluttershy:

“So, um, do we walk back up the slide.. or, or what?”

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Not only did we get further insight into the dedication of Pinkie Pie to her craft, we even got to see her party room (though she evidently has more floors in Sugarcube Corner than I originally thought)!

Yak obviously were sensitive about their culture, and everything the ponies did apparently had the finesse and grace of a black-faced minstrel show.

Heck, it might be the way yaks insult each other: “I served his buttered tea two degrees too cold, the fool!”
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Postby theGECK (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:19 pm

Wayoshi wrote:Fluts' up the slide


I think Season 5 will be the season of the hair, like Season 4 was the season of the face! In every episode I think we've seen a new manecut or a new way for the hair to be arranged - in this one it was Fluttershy's getting caught up over her head which I found adorable. For some reason her "or what" at the end of that slide sentence seemed odd to me, like it wasn't the type of language I'm used to hearing from the show but I can't place why I feel that way. Did anybody else have that?

Pinkie episodes are fun, but frequently leave me feeling like there wasn't anything in them. A perfect popcorn episode.

Oh! And Unicorns are affected by physics faster than other types of ponies. It seems to be a deliberate choice as to which ponies will fall, and I'm wondering if there's anything to why they chose them. SELF EDIT: Maybe they fall from the outside in, and that's a simple explanation for it. I haven't gone back and looked though.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:24 pm

theGECK wrote:
I think Season 5 will be the season of the hair, like Season 4 was the season of the face! In every episode I think we've seen a new manecut or a new way for the hair to be arranged - in this one it was Fluttershy's getting caught up over her head which I found adorable. For some reason her "or what" at the end of that slide sentence seemed odd to me, like it wasn't the type of language I'm used to hearing from the show but I can't place why I feel that way. Did anybody else have that?

Yeah, it's definitely unusual, though mainly just on a general basis for the show. Fluttershy in particular does have a bit of a history dating back to S1 of calling Pinkie Pie on her shit.
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Postby PonyHag714 (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:06 pm

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She's got wings and she's not afraid to use them. :twiright:
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Postby The Doctor (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:07 pm

This episode was very silly, and I enjoyed it. Season continues to be on a winning streak.
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Postby Wildfire (?) » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:24 pm

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At least one of those faces better become a smiley. :lol:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:10 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:Yeah, it's definitely unusual, though mainly just on a general basis for the show. Fluttershy in particular does have a bit of a history dating back to S1 of calling Pinkie Pie on her shit.


I definitely found it to be jarringly "different", especially for Fluttershy, and that's why it was perfect. The "or what" felt like the kind of barely-peeking-its-way-out passive-aggressiveness that we identified lurking in her psyche way back in S1, that has often gotten neglected in later seasons in episodes that don't focus specifically on developing her more glaring personality quirks. Plus it serves as a self-referential joke about Pinkie's Pinkieness along with lots of other things in this episode that reminded us that we're in a cartoon written by people with their tongues planted firmly in their cheeks. It was a fantastic line, perfectly delivered.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:11 am

This episode was so weird. I mean, it was funny, but it just went ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Pinkie's :-I face was good.

The whole time they were talking about planning a yak-themed party in Equestria, I was thinking of this picture (of an "American party" in Poland):
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:34 am

In fact, I think we could make a hecka long list of the self-mockery gags in this episode:

- "Fluttershy made them mad: FLUTTERSHY!"

- :v: "I think they broke my record for most stuff broken in under a minute. I mean, they even broke the trophy!"

- :twasnothin: "Pretty sure that's what fur's always for"

- "Why are your eyes darting around like that?"

- Pinkie driving ponies in harness (we've seen it before, but it counts)

- The panic-themed party :lol:

- "Falling Pony Ravine" :smirk:

- The elision of Pinkie's whole odyssey, especially the Beatles thing, good lord

- :fluttershock: "I can't tell if my eyes are open or closed!"


And really, when you look at the yaks' behavior, it's chapter-and-verse cartooniness. I kind of think we've all been so immersed lately in hand-wringing over representation and stereotypes and so on (and maybe spoiled by stuff like Steven Universe) that we're perhaps a little quick to jump on a simple silly non-specific "funny barbarian tribe" gag for failing to armor itself in enough surprising subversions like "cries at piano music" and "overly sensitive to vanilla extract balance". The writers were clearly conscious of the kind of minefield they were venturing into, and they're not blind to having been responsible for shit like the buffalo before, so they gave it a pretty creditable effort, like the aforementioned twists and also naming the leader "Rutherford" instead of making them all llamas so the leader could be "Dolly" or whatever. The result is a thing we can laugh at because it's the kind of thing cartoons do, which has made a really honest attempt at not offending anybody in particular, leaving only a sort of vague buzzing feeling that we ought to be indignant about the mere fact that they're "barbarians" from an "istan" who smash up the place at the slightest provocation. Even though that's the whole source of what makes them funny.

This is the point beyond which it really starts to get stifling to a cartoon writer, whether it's admissible at all anymore to do a thing like this, and if not, what do you do instead? I'm sure they'd be able to come up with something, but we've got to still allow ourselves to laugh at the things that we have traditionally laughed at just because they trigger our deep-rooted "this is an absurd thing about humanity" instincts. Call it tribalism or parochialism if you want, because that's what it is, and maybe don't even defend it—maybe all I'm saying is we shouldn't be expecting My Little Pony to be the vanguard of next-generation social consciousness more than it already has been (buffalo/Zecora/Steven Magnet, I'm looking at you).

I dunno, the stream of consciousness kinda got away from me there, and I'm not sure I mean any of that. Point is, I laughed a lot at this episode, and a big part of it was that the yaks felt like a hilarious throwback of sorts, funny because of how out-of-place they are in the modern social landscape as much as because of NOT PERFECT YAKS SMASH.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:50 am

One thing that stood out for me is just HOW Pinkie went back to Ponyville...by sliding backwards. Like, even with all the ridiculous gags the show has done, that was really unusual.

...and it was one of the funniest things to happen :lol:
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Postby Frith (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:59 am

This was the worst episode of Season 5 so far.

I really hate the way the yaks were written. They were really awful. Otherwise the story was just boring.

The only redeeming feature of the episode was Pinkie who was hilarious at times. But she couldn't save the episode for me.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:19 am

Judging by Nick Confalone's tweets, it sounds like he submitted a very rough script that was then prettied up by Jayson and Jim. I'm starting to think that's what the "Story by" credit means: that's who did the final script doctoring, at the storyboarding stage, and "Written by" is who did the initial script of which maybe 70% survives.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:29 am

Going off of that, anyone getting this feeling that Meghan has a very hands-off involvement for most of the episodes this season? It feels like Larson and the two aforementioned directors did more work on quality control this season.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:52 am

So, this was one of my favorites ever.

I can't even break it down right now except to say that for me, everything was just on point. The gags worked, the pacing worked, all the VAs were great particularly Andrea Libman -- it was chock full of stuff and I loved it all.

Mini-mini-review: :ponydrugs:
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:57 am

I love Rainbow Dash's excuse for not reading the book. :awkward: "I ... had a thing..."
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Postby Marimo (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:40 am

Headless Horse wrote:Judging by Nick Confalone's tweets, it sounds like he submitted a very rough script that was then prettied up by Jayson and Jim. I'm starting to think that's what the "Story by" credit means: that's who did the final script doctoring, at the storyboarding stage, and "Written by" is who did the initial script of which maybe 70% survives.

Story by just means they came up with the basic premise.

Bakertoons wrote:Going off of that, anyone getting this feeling that Meghan has a very hands-off involvement for most of the episodes this season? It feels like Larson and the two aforementioned directors did more work on quality control this season.

She was story editor for Castle Sweet Castle and Bloom and Gloom. Other than that, Larson was story editor for I think just the first half of the season or so due to her being busy with other projects (likely the first drafts of the 2017 movie that were discussed in those Sony emails, and possibly having to overlook Friendship Games), though she still was involved in the beginning and end of the scripts editing.
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Postby Durandal (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:03 am

Things I thought would happen but then didn't:
- Pinkie actually makes friends with the snow monster and earns the respect of the Yaks
- The sled that she brings back is actually some kind of sentimental trophy that triggers a scene identical to this one
- The moral of the episode literally being "some people are better off not being your friend" :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Pingcode (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:11 am

The Yaks (or Yakyakians) were smashing everything up because they're barbarians. Literally, even! They pull the same etymology as barbarians ('blah-blah-ians').

With that said, this was a very strong mission-statement episode, because it introduces a rather important concept to kids - namely, how to deal with people from cultures different from yours.

Like, don't get me wrong, the Yaks were exaggeratedly destructive, but the M6 were being legitimately offensive towards the Yaks. To cast it into a real world context, what they were doing was like inviting a Japanese friend over to stay, and then rolling out the futon "Because you sleep on futons in Japan, right?"

I mean, yeah, it's a lot more fantastic than normal, with the Yaks destroying everything every time they were offended, but as a conga of Bad Ideas When Entertaining Guests Of Different Cultures they hit pretty much all the notes in being patronising towards the Yakyakians, and a kid repeating their disasters would definitely make a real enemy from a potential friend that way. With the best of intentions, no less.

And instead of having Pinkie manage to succeed by getting 'authentic' things, she comes back empty handed to discover the correct solution, which was simply to treat her guests like guests, and not outsiders. As she puts it: The answer wasn't to try to make them feel like they're in their homes, it was to make them feel at home in Equestria.
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Postby Discord (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:38 am

Pingcode wrote:The Yaks (or Yakyakians) were smashing everything up because they're barbarians. Literally, even! They pull the same etymology as barbarians ('blah-blah-ians').

With that said, this was a very strong mission-statement episode, because it introduces a rather important concept to kids - namely, how to deal with people from cultures different from yours.

Like, don't get me wrong, the Yaks were exaggeratedly destructive, but the M6 were being legitimately offensive towards the Yaks. To cast it into a real world context, what they were doing was like inviting a Japanese friend over to stay, and then rolling out the futon "Because you sleep on futons in Japan, right?"


:ponder: That's a really good way of putting it.

A fun comedic adventure episode and Pinkie's really on point here. Lots of solid character gags. The yaks didn't do it for me though, which made that side of the plot fall flat for me. Pretty decent episode.
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Postby Mechanical Ape (?) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:57 am

Headless Horse wrote:
I definitely found it to be jarringly "different", especially for Fluttershy, and that's why it was perfect. The "or what" felt like the kind of barely-peeking-its-way-out passive-aggressiveness that we identified lurking in her psyche way back in S1, that has often gotten neglected in later seasons in episodes that don't focus specifically on developing her more glaring personality quirks.

Passively snarky year-older-than-you Fluttershy is the best Fluttershy, and one whom we don't see often enough. :fluttershock:


e: That said, her little squeak before rescuing her animal friends is adorable. :allears:



e2: So many great little gags. Here's Big Mac and Apple Bloom in the background just before fleeing:


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