S04E17: Somepony to Watch Over Me

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Re: S04E17: Somepony to Watch Over Me

Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:15 pm

@Fenster: So basically you want everything regarding a character handed to you on a silver platter or shouted out at the top of a characters lungs before you consider it a valid reasons for a character actions?

Gotta say, TV would be pretty annoying if every show did that.


Hey these viewers are too stupid to get anything or make up their own ideas about something so let's shout every aspect of our shows & characters at them! :v:

Again, I can understand where you are coming from, but fervently disagree on this particular matter. I like my media to tell its story without thinking it has to explain every little thing to the viewer.

But hey that's just me. :-P
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:22 pm

The thing quietly frustrating me is a renewed "I'm not that old am I?" feeling when discussing entertainment.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:33 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:The thing quietly frustrating me is a renewed "I'm not that old am I?" feeling when discussing entertainment.



The Internet makes us all old men before our time! :fluttersmith:


Damn you Internet!!! :gonkity:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:42 pm

That truly is the curse of the Internet. 2007 seems like it was two years ago. It's been seven. :gonkity:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:54 pm

idk, its been a while since ive been on dialup, but at the same time it feels like only a few years ago :pinkieshrug:
(i vaugly remember shoving my really old dinosar laptop under a pillow to muffle the MREEE MROOOOOO KATANGATA EEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH noise when sneaking on the computer :gotcha:
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:02 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:That truly is the curse of the Internet. 2007 seems like it was two years ago. It's been seven. :gonkity:


Oddly, I often feel the reverse. Something that was recent feels like it's been forever since it's last come out.
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:29 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:@Fenster: So basically you want everything regarding a character handed to you on a silver platter or shouted out at the top of a characters lungs before you consider it a valid reasons for a character actions?


:-/ I don't get why you are sticking to such hyperbolic terms and thinking only in extremes on this. There is a thing as "Too much Explanation" that bores the audience, and there is also a thing such as "Too much subtlety" when important and critical information is hidden enough that majority of the audience is left confused and irritated because they couldn't find the pieces to make everything fit together. Good writing is being able to target what you want to express to your appropriate audience and entertain them while balancing these sides to fit the goal. And clearly there are some problems here if there are so many people annoyed at what happened with AJ in this episode.


ZamuelNow wrote:The thing quietly frustrating me is a renewed "I'm not that old am I?" feeling when discussing entertainment.


Yeah, I was worried when I wrote down that little bit. :v:

If it's any consolation, I think a lot of the media that kids got in your days were better than ours, but that's a different topic. :-I
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Postby Big Boss (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:49 pm

Pocket wrote:Is there still room in the Round Table for this one? I seem to be cursed with checking every active thread in the forum except the new episode thread on Mondays.


There is, though Drunkill is handling the RT this week. I'll pass it along.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:59 pm

fenster wrote:
:-/ I don't get why you are sticking to such hyperbolic terms and thinking only in extremes on this. There is a thing as "Too much Explanation" that bores the audience, and there is also a thing such as "Too much subtlety" when important and critical information is hidden enough that majority of the audience is left confused and irritated because they couldn't find the pieces to make everything fit together. Good writing is being able to target what you want to express to your appropriate audience and entertain them while balancing these sides to fit the goal. And clearly there are some problems here if there are so many people annoyed at what happened with AJ in this episode.





Yeah, I was worried when I wrote down that little bit. :v:

If it's any consolation, I think a lot of the media that kids got in your days were better than ours, but that's a different topic. :-I


What can I say, I'm an extremely hyperbolic guy. :v: Also weather something is well or poorly written is also up to debate, thus the reason we are even having such debates/discussion in the first place.

Again I understand the issues some have, I just personally don't feel the same way. :pinkieshrug:

Edit: @kefka: I asked about the RoundTable a couple pages back myself, as did afew others.
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Postby ZamuelNow (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:11 pm

fenster wrote:Yeah, I was worried when I wrote down that little bit. :v:

If it's any consolation, I think a lot of the media that kids got in your days were better than ours, but that's a different topic. :-I


It's a curious half and half. Even sticking within the MLP franchise, G1 could get surprisingly dark and oddly self aware at times...yet it had legions of animation errors ("The G1 drinking game is permabanned") and poor character development. FiM really is a good show despite things it can't handle onscreen. And not all stuff today is bad. There'll probably never be another Secret of NIMH or Land Before Time (the originals...bad sequels are bad) but kids have gotten stuff like Justice League and Avatar: The Last Airbender so there is some good content out there.

Considering the acknowledgement of this being a different topic, perhaps we should pull this discussion over to the March discussion thread?
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Postby Tears (?) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:48 pm

Passport Clean wrote:

Eh, it's a double-edged sword. Sometimes it's good, like in this case, but sometimes we go overboard with the bleeding-heart routine and enable things we really shouldn't. I'm one of the resident moderate liberals on a more conservative tabletop game forum and sometimes I'm grateful for the splash of cold water they deliver to my more wild-eyed leftist fantasies.


Sorry, just saw this :modesty:

I didn't mean that as if I felt okay posting it because everyone was going to agree with me, just that I didn't feel like saying it here was going to derail into a flamewar. Disagreement is good yo.
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Postby Just Scuds (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:24 am

:anticipation: Ah've come to realize that I have it pretty good. Applejack's enthusiastic over-sisterin' is preferable to Rarity's hands - er - hooves off method

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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:59 am

Rarity's method seems the most plausible but I would love to see Rainbow Dash doing that with Scootaloo in an episode.
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Postby Strangepony (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:23 pm

Smartie Pants was supposedly seen in the background of AB's room in this episode, but I didn't see it. Does anyone have a screen shot? :allears:
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Postby doodlesplat (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:35 pm

Strangepony wrote:Smartie Pants was supposedly seen in the background of AB's room in this episode, but I didn't see it. Does anyone have a screen shot? :allears:

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Postby Kronos (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:47 pm



Applejack can lift up a bed + filly with nothing but just her two hooves on the ground in an awkwardly, imbalanced position.

Big Mac is easily stronger than Applejack.

Just how heavy WAS the MMMM?! :squintyjack:
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Postby Strangepony (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:31 pm

That was quick. Wow, Applejack must work out. :wowzers:
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Postby Sailor Yue (?) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:31 pm

i would imagine more akward than heavy. :-P
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Postby Highbrow Dash (?) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:22 am



:ohrarity:: So that's where I left my emergency edible boot!
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Postby Space Ghost (?) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:25 am

Oh hey, never noticed Smarty Pants.
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Postby Wonkadoo (?) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:33 am

Adrenaline is amazing stuff. :allears:
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Postby Frith (?) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:04 am

I liked this episode. The story was relatable and above all there was a lot of heart in the episode. That's all I want from this series. I also liked that the episode didn't take side between Applejack and Applebloom and that neither one of them were entirely wrong or right in this episode.

AB really shined in this episode because her frustration and actions in this episode were very understandable. AJ's behavior was a bit over-the-top in this episode, but the way she cared about her sister was also very heartfelt.

As for the other characters, Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo were adorable like they always are. Chimera was also really cool villain.

Overall, this was again really good episode. At the moment it's on 5th place in my season 4 episode ranking.
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Postby Grue (?) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:23 pm

This was a solid episode. Applejack being motherly is just too adorable, and it had some funny gags (like double helmet). Chimera was dumb as shit, but it's not like this show has a great record of throwaway single episode villains (diamond dogs come to mind). Best Applebloom episode since Call of the Cutie.
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Postby ShieldedDiamond (?) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:53 am

Finally got around to watching this one. I enjoyed it much more than Breezies, by a big margin. The jokes in it were funny, too. Better than I expected. Like "And we can switch if we get tired." But you're pretending to take a name. :v: And then of course the cut out of the song I found funny. Overall, I'd say it was good.

My one issue is that I don't really relate to these kinds of sister episodes, and much rather the ones like with Rarity and Sweetie Belle, because I feel that I have more in common with it. (Like Sisterhooves fits it to a tee.)
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Postby Mordja (?) » Sat May 31, 2014 7:37 am

My rewatch is on hold because I'm enjoying actually having a life back in Canada, but I forgot to do a writeup for this one, so here goes...

Well, to be honest it's been a while, but I do remember being surprised at just how funny the episode was, something I never quite registered the first time around. Applejack's loopiness aside, so many of the jokes were on point, and just self-aware enough without mocking the core of the show. Of note: the CMC might have been at their funniest for the season.
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Postby diribigal (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:42 am

I finally got around to watching this, and the main thing I have to say is that the chimera who is like "I'm going to eat you because I am indifferent to your life and you're around the pies" and then "the pies are gone, which were the main object of my desire, but I'm going to eat you anyway" was way too intense. Like, someone said it was a good way to write around the TV-Y rating, but I say that's scarier than what I'm looking to get from pony, and likely scarier than the younger side of the target demo should probably watch too.
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Postby Corpy (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:44 am

Nah. Kids are tougher than you think.
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Postby diribigal (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:47 am

Corpy wrote:Nah. Kids are tougher than you think.
Well I'm not tougher than I think. :twiright:
But seriously it just wasn't exactly what I was looking for when I sat down to watch colorful ponies.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:58 am

It's scary, but I don't think it was as frightening as other stuff the show's done (mainly thinking of ACW here).
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Postby diribigal (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:03 am

Fizzbuzz wrote:It's scary, but I don't think it was as frightening as other stuff the show's done (mainly thinking of ACW here).

In a way I can't describe well, I feel like that was dramatic dark, this was scary dark.
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Postby VoidChicken (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:01 am

It's the only time on the show an intelligent creature has outright said it intended to kill another.
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Postby Bremen (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:59 pm

VoidChicken wrote:It's the only time on the show an intelligent creature has outright said it intended to kill another.


And the characters in ACW were adults; here it's just a lone child being threatened by a monster, which is an innately scary situation.

I tend to agree with the "kids are tougher than many people think" sentiment, but I feel this episode was probably the scariest MLP has gotten.
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Postby The Outlander (?) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:37 pm

That's partially the idea. You're supposed to sympathize with AJ as much as you should with Applebloom, and for AJ this is a nightmare made real.
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