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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:32 pm

I think the chance of becoming a princess thing has gone & passed for ol Shimmy. But I'm sure Celestia or Twilight one could always use a new maid/secretary. :gotcha:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:36 pm

You say that now, but just wait until she finds some unfinished blueprints left behind by Statswirl's human equivalent.

Hello wings and princess crown. She just has to make sure she can get the others all back into their original bodies.
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Postby Ransom (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:52 pm

Sort of off topic but was it ever established, uh where Sunset lives in the EQG universe? And with who? Like, did she grab a bunch of priceless gems on the way out of Equestria and buy her own house? :pinkieshrug:

The comic actually indicated her ambition to become an alicorn was part of her downfall. While I don't want her to become our 5th princess just yet, I do think it would be an interesting carrot for a potential villain to dangle in front of her and tempt her to return to the dark side :scheming:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:57 pm

Hasbro confirmed to be the villain of Equestria Girls 3

"Join us Sunset Shimmer and we will make you an alicorn princess"

SS: "Why should I believe you?"

"Who do you think made Twilight one?"

Also nope Rainbow Rocks never shows or even mentions where she lives and who with.

Though the idea of her taking a couple priceless artifacts with her from Equestria and pawing them for money is kinda funny.
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:03 pm

I always figured Sunset either lived at CHS or had an apartment somewhere near bye. Honestly I think we think about these things more then the show runners do. XD

Who knows though, maybe the upcoming EQG holiday special comic will show us Sunny's digs.

And I agree, while it is possible Sunset, like Twilight & The elements may have some greater destiny, I think it's something she still has to work towards unlocking. After all she just now got her magic back in RR. She still has lots of Growing & learning to do.


But back to the topic of the thread. What if the movie is a villian team-up!? Like Chrysalis & a Freshly Ressureccted Sombra working together with some new super evil baddie, now that would be fun! :awesomedash:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:06 pm

Suri and Diamond Tiara for ultimate baddie dream team.

Randal will spend the entire movie getting them coffee.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:10 pm

A villain team up would be cool to see...but didn't Twilight's Kingdom do that already?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:14 pm

ROBOT B9 wrote:A villain team up would be cool to see...but didn't Twilight's Kingdom do that already?


To a degree yea, but it was only for the sake of competing Discord's reformation & get Twilight her key. I'd like to see a group of completely evil/ have no desire to reform Villians team-up. Heck get a whole Legion of Doom type thing going for the movie I say.

Maybe an Elements of Hatred, 6 ponies that are the exact antithesis of the mane six.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:17 pm

Now THAT would be awesome to see. Their leader would be Trixie. :allears:
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Postby DerFurShur (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:18 pm

But we kinda already got a legit villain team with the Dazzlings
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:20 pm

Yeah, but they could always do something different with it. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:29 pm

DerFurShur wrote:But we kinda already got a legit villain team with the Dazzlings


The Dazzlings Gems/Siren Forms were destroyed though, they stuck in the body of normal teenage girls *who can't sing* forever! :gotcha:

*which when you think about it, for creatures that get such joy using their song to control/manipulate others that's probsbly hell for them, XD*

Although I guess the Dazzlings could return to Equestria, they'd probably end up as regular ponies, but yeah, if they don't get reformed in the human world, they could make good lackies to a big bad.
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Postby londonarbuckle (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:37 pm

SoundMonkey44 wrote:I always figured Sunset either lived at CHS or had an apartment somewhere near bye.


She works two jobs to make ends meet when she isn't at school with her human friends. It's actually kind of a bummer. :fluttersmith:
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Postby SlateSlabrock (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:42 pm

Ransom wrote:Sort of off topic but was it ever established, uh where Sunset lives in the EQG universe? And with who? Like, did she grab a bunch of priceless gems on the way out of Equestria and buy her own house? :pinkieshrug:

For that matter, do we know where anyone in EqG lives?
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:55 pm

SlateSlabrock wrote:For that matter, do we know where anyone in EqG lives?


Not true. We know where AJ & Pinkie live thanks to RR via movie or shorts.

But yea, we still have yet to see where Dash, Flutes, Rarity & Sunny live in that world, or who they live with, being human teens I imagine, baring sunny who is from another world, the rest would live with parents/legal guardians of some kind.

I like to think in the human world, Daring Do is Dash's mom. :v: :awesomedash:
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Postby Bumble-B (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:06 am

Now, this is probably a petty argument, but hey, I like discussions :cheese:

So I asked Craig McCracken about if Wander Over Yonder was ever planned to be animated in Flash and would the show look as slick as it is had it been animated in flash instead of Toon Boom. To which he answered:

Craig McCracken wrote:No it was always going to be [Toon Boom] Harmony based. Not sure it could be pulled off in Flash.


That last part however, rather struck me...

While I will admit that I may be reading into it too much, it does raise the question: "So what if the MLP Movie is in flash?"

I think a couple of people have already raised some points about this, especially how there basically is little to any flash animated theatrical movies out there. Something I've also stumbled upon from time to time are animators and cartoonists who like to go:

"Flash is far more inferior to Hand Drawn/Toon Boom animation because Flash is just more stiff" :snobtavia:

Now, whether that statement is true or not, I don't know for sure. But given the lack of shows or movies animated in flash to prove otherwise (prove me wrong), I am inclined to believe that may be the case. And yeah, admittedly I think shows like Wander and the Mickey Mouse shorts have spoiled me given how slick and fluid the animations are compared to MLP. But Toon Boom isn't the only form of animation that is getting slicker. CG too is making its own strides in making their movements more fluid, snappier, etc.

And while it is impressive what DHX has done with Flash in MLP: FiM, I honestly don't see it as something I'd expect at a theater. I know, snobtavia and all but it's something that I think even the common movie going audiences, who are used to seeing CG animated flicks, might scoff at the movie if it kept its flash animated roots. I can easily see: "This looks like a direct to DVD movie" comments already.

Granted, I haven't seen EqG2, only the shorts and some of the trailers, and I wouldn't be surprised if they hit the apex in animation with EqG2 so far but given my limited experience with it, I still have to say that I can see those "Direct to DVD" comments. I think what may 'save' the movie being in flash is if they manage to make the movie look stylistically pleasing enough on a visual aesthetic level rather than on an animation level i.e. lighting.

Regardless, I think they'll go CG with the movie, honestly. It's what's 'trending' now (for over a decade). 2D animated theatrical films have not seen the light of day since the early 2000s with the Batman animated films or Powerpuff Girls the Movie, all of which sadly more or less bombed. And while the MLP Movie probably won't bomb, I think Hasbro/All Spark will take the 'better safe than sorry' route and go CG-animated because 'that's what Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, and Sony are doing' and they churn out a ton of movie for them and CG just is (unfortunately) just more accepted in theatres. Could they go Toon Boom? Sure, though so far there hasn't been a Habro show or movie done in that. In fact, the only Toon Boom animated movie was The Princess and the Frog back in 2009 (and that didn't bomb per se but it didn't make as much $$$ as they wanted).

What do you think? Do you think an MLP Movie done in flash is plausible technically and for the current movie goers?
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Postby Wayoshi (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:18 am

That is rather dismissive... in particular, while Somepony to Watch Over Me was a middling episode, it did have a movie-like atmosphere in the fire swamp. DBZ action scenes in Twilight's Kingdom were pretty good too.

I don't see how FiM pioneering great animation for Flash in a TV show can't continue it to a full-fledged movie.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:05 am

I think it's going to be made in Flash as well. I think the software has evolved to the extent that it can look good on a movie screen. It's come a long way since Newgrounds videos...
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:00 pm

If the people making this have the "better safe than sorry" mindset then wouldn't they stick exactly to the same animation methods that were used for the show and both the EqG movies?
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:08 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:
Now, whether that statement is true or not, I don't know for sure.


Uhhhh It's pretty much straight up true. Like I'm not sure why this is a question, but Toon Boom has and still is definitely better for animation than flash no matter how you slice it.

I just think you're being too worried about what the studio will do when we have no evidence to support it at all. Craig isn't part of DHX nor is part of this at all and his comment was in an entirely different context. Regardless, I don't think there's any way it'd end up as CG since such a big radical styling change would be too jarring even for the youngest of fans and it'd be such an overhaul for what the FiM brand has done so far that I sincerely doubt this got off the ground like that. Technically they could move to Toon Boom, but if it's the same studio working on this, I don't think they have the same experience with the other program since they just seem to work in flash (I can't check their entire catalog, but pretty sure most things they do are in flash?).

To be honest, I don't think that anything short of a complete design overhaul would be able to please people who'd criticize on the "Direct-to-DVD" front, so Toon Boom vs Flash doesn't really play into that equation very much. I haven't read all the interviews for this movie yet, but I'm pretty confident that they won't completely change the visual designs for this one movie, so I think they'll just push more on how they've done it so far: just keep getting as much out of flash as they can. Their Season 4 improvements on lightning will help at lot when you compare it to Season 1, and EQG2 had a lot of great scenes that looked great, so I'm betting we'll get more of that.

Pinkie π wrote:If the people making this have the "better safe than sorry" mindset then wouldn't they stick exactly to the same animation methods that were used for the show and both the EqG movies?


Pretty much yeah.
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:23 pm

Really, what would be the point of switching to 3D CG animation? If Hasbro wanted to make a wide-reaching blockbuster then I do not think they would use MLP as the basis for it. I think that style is only "trending" because it's cheaper to animate like that than traditional animation is, but animating in Flash is still plenty cheap as well.

Consider also that if they did switch to Toon Boom or a 3D style then they'd have to redo all the character assets from the ground up in the new engine. Look back at the first EqG movie, for example, and notice how stiff and ungood all the non-pony parts of that movie were. While DHX and Top Draw already had tons of pony assets and knew from experience what did and didn't work with them, the not-quite-humans of EqG were totally new and I think they really suffered for it. Now, imagine 3D ponies going through that same awful trial-and-error design process. :bluh:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:41 pm

Exactly. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. The flash looks good on TV (seriously, watch it on HD, it's great) and I'm sure the same qualities will pass for the movie as well. 3D ponies don't really look that good in the first place and I can see them sticking with the flash animation.
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:47 pm

AppleCobbler44 wrote:how slick and fluid the animations are compared to MLP


I'll never understand what you're on about with this. Of all the things one could criticize MLP for, the animation not being slick and smooth is, like, Bizarro universe levels of lolwut.


Daring Fireball linked some guy's review of an Android phone that had supposedly noticeably smoother scrolling than Safari on an iPhone 6, and he had the same kind of reaction. I mean, it's like, that's its entire claim to fame.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:10 pm

Actually, have we had any CGI in the show itself? I think there was only the Timberwolves and that was it... :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Fizzbuzz (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:24 pm

Calculon wrote:Actually, have we had any CGI in the show itself? I think there was only the Timberwolves and that was it... :pinkieshrug:

That use is probably the most noticeable case, yeah. I swear there have been a few other times, but I do not particularly remember them, which is honestly a testament as to how well it's been used since SAYS.
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Postby Venusy (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:43 pm

The timberwolves are really the only noticeable thing. If it's done well, it would be possible to have it fit in with the 2D animation more, so there could definitely be more instances that didn't stand out as much.

I'm not opposed to use of CGI in the movie - while the GMod models are pretty bad, they're models that really only had static poses in mind when they were created, and could take advantage of rendering techniques not available in GMod itself. There have been good, expressive CGI models of the characters made that are actually designed to be animated, though I don't have the demonstration GIF right now.

It would mean a change in production workflow (and/or production studio), but I believe they could do it with good quality models with flexible rigs. Whether they would do this is questionable - they do seem to have had good results with the limited EqG theatrical releases. However, CGI might be more appealing to more kids. It also might provide opportunity for Hasbro to do a redesign of the characters (how else are they going to sell Movie Princess Twilight Sparkle to kids that already own Princess Twilight Sparkle and regular Twilight Sparkle?)
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:54 pm

The Stig wrote:

Daring Fireball linked some guy's review of an Android phone that had supposedly noticeably smoother scrolling than Safari on an iPhone 6, and he had the same kind of reaction. I mean, it's like, that's its entire claim to fame.


I'm confused how this relates, did the Android phone use flash or something? Or just talking about animation in general?

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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:57 pm

I'm talking about criticizing something for its supposed deficiency in a feature that everybody agrees is one of its greatest strengths. Like saying Usain Bolt is slow.
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Postby InC (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:57 pm

I think there's been just a couple more uses of CGI (the elements of harmony in the S4 opener being the only one bad enough to remember), but that never looks good and they might have noticed that too.

Regarding animation style, the Variety interview tells us that "there are new economic models that fit certain films" and that this movie will be entirely financed by Hasbro. I really can't see them want to invest the kind of money needed for a switch to Toon Boom or 3D CGI, so this is nearly guaranteed to be Flash. It will hopefully get a decent budget increase compared to EqG2, but we're still only looking at a few millions top. Some people will probably think this looks like a direct-to-DVD movie, but Hasbro doesn't expects it to compete with Disney or Dreamworks features abyway. I think they saw EqG do well in the few theaters it was released in and figured they could scale it up just enough to reach a wider enough and have a pretty solid business model. If it sell twenty times fewer tickets than a Pixar feature but costs nearly a hundred times less to produce, it's a win. :pinkieshrug:

Honestly, I don't think the show would look as good as it does now if they did switch to traditional animation, unless they're willing to pump very large amounts of money into it. Good traditional animation will always look better, but low-budget animation needs to be limited and Pony is much stronger for having every character onscreen display its full range of expressions and body language, at all times. Steven Universe's art direction is leagues above Pony's and its episodes regularly features scenes and shots that are so much more gorgeous than anything FiM could ever do, but when the characters are just standing around and having a conversation? Pony wins by a mile then, and for a character-driven slice of life show it's what matters most.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:59 pm

I believe this will do pretty good at the box office as well, but it depends on the release date and the competition. :pinkieshrug:
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Postby SoundMonkey44 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:28 pm

The entire movie will be done in Felt like that scene from A Friend In Deed. :gotcha:
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:44 pm

I would check it out, partially because it's MLP, partially because I want to see how a feature length movie in felt would look. :v:
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Postby Eurocoin (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:33 pm

Oh my, this is going to be a long three years anyway, so people just to keep me sane, please stop using the term CGI, unless you realize that the whole show is already 100% CGI (Flash is a form of a CGI).

Personally I say keep it as Flash. Actually the traditional hand drawn animation would be my preference, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:39 pm

Oh...I thought that CGI meant...yeah, I get it. So, I don't think the show will be animated in 3D animation. Is that better? :pinkieshrug:
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Postby Skipper (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:13 pm

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Postby Eurocoin (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:26 pm

Calculon wrote:Oh...I thought that CGI meant...yeah, I get it. So, I don't think the show will be animated in 3D animation. Is that better? :pinkieshrug:


Yes, much better (for my sanity anyway).
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Postby ROBOT B9 (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:28 pm

OK, got it. I'll be sure to use it more often as well! :)
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Postby Headless Horse (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:46 pm



I see at least six colors, what witchcraft is this

BLACK AND WHITE ARE COLORS :twonk:
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Postby fenster (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:48 pm

This whole forum is CGI, when you think about it.
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Postby Mr. Big (?) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:09 pm

If they were playing it safe, it would have been done at DHX to begin with. But nope, they're going to make this at a different studio altogether.
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